He'd said, "Her mind-set was, 'I’ve got this terrible secret.... What am I going to do with this secret?' She was like, 'I can’t deal with this. If he becomes the nominee, then I’m moving to another country. I cannot live in this country if he’s in the Supreme Court'... She wanted out."
I've reflected on why that quote tipped me to have the thought quoted in the post title and to want to reveal that. I've challenged myself: Am I a tool of the patriarchy? The husband says something, and now I believe?!
But I don't believe. I don't take anything at face value. I blog from a position I call "cruel neutrality," and I begin, always, with the prosaic awareness that people don't say everything they think, that they may sometimes outright lie but also almost always shape their telling of the truth, and that memory isn't a video recording that can be played but a mysterious process of the human brain, and that we are all blessedly human.
So I'll forgive all the commenters who misread what I wrote and fought me over the idea they got in their head when they read what I wrote. And let me quote a few commenters who were closer to getting what I was saying.
Henry said:
I've got to admit that if I had to say right now, who is more likely to be telling us what is closer to the truth — no stakes, no burden of proof, just who is more likely — I'd have to say her.Francisco D said:
Your key phrase is "closer to".
Kavanaugh's problem is that he can't admit to anything. The most innocuous story will be seen as proof of her most serious allegations. "Closer to" could be "I was at a party and tripped and knocked her over and it was pretty embarrassing." That's closer to her story than "I have never done anything like what the accuser describes -- to her or to anyone" but it's still a long long long long way from "I'm an unsuccessful rapist."
I am going to give Althouse the benefit of the doubt.Walk don't run begins with something that isn't close to describing me at all, because it's about performing the role of juror after all the evidence has been presented, when I specifically hypothesized a requirement to suddenly answer a question when there has been no comprehensive presentation of evidence. At a trial, a burden of proof would apply and a defendant would be facing the consequence of a deprivation of liberty. That's not my hypothetical situation.
She feels that Christine Blasey Ford is more likely telling the truth.
Althouse is describing an emotional reaction, nothing more. She is not indicating how she has processed the available evidence and what her thoughts on the matter are.
Anyway, here's how walk don't run begins:
I was a juror in a rape case some years ago. The case should never have never have been brought to court it had so many holes in it. During the deliberations that took a couple of days I outlined 7 aspects of the case that provided reasonable doubt. All of us agreed except one female juror who insisted that she had to convict the accused. Her explanation was that she had been raped and could not find her way not to convict the accused. The facts did not matter to her. It was all an understandable emotion. I think something similar is going on with Althouse.But I see that walk don't run only says he/she thinks "something similar" is going on with me. It may be similar, but it's also different. I would never abuse the role of juror in a real legal proceeding. The question with Kavanaugh is whether he should be confirmed to a lifetime position as Supreme Court Justice, but even that is outside my hypothetical because that is what is at stake, and I said I'm telling you what I feel without regard to the stakes, and I'm only saying what I think is more likely.
Notice that I could have gone on to examine what I would do if there were never any more evidence than there is right now and it were my job to vote whether or not to confirm Kavanaugh. Nothing in my statement would prevent me from adding that I thought — given all the other evidence of his excellence and good character and the absence of other negative reports — what we've heard about what he may have done when he was 17 and his possibly false denials are not enough to justify a no vote.
Anyway, walk don't run goes on to say:
On the other hand, to give Althouse some slack, Kavanaugh seems just too good to be true - perfect scholar, perfect athlete, perfect coach, perfect husband, perfect father and perfect jurist. I wish he seemed more human with some failings and frailties like the rest of us. I don’t think Althouse likes or trusts that and that perfection strangely makes him less trustworthy in her eyes.Yes, that's what I wanted to quote. Kavanaugh is vulnerable precisely because he's presented himself as good all the way through. Any hint of a stain wrecks his purity. He's the opposite of the man who nominated him, who's a crazy tie-dye pattern of stains. Nothing shows on that man. It's so annoying to his antagonists, who keep adding to the stain pattern and making it even harder to see any new problem. What has Trump really done that's so bad?, I ask myself from time to time. There are so many stupid things, like saying a hurricane is tremendously wet. I have trouble remembering what (if anything!) is supposed to be so awful. But with the wonderful paragon Kavanaugh, the accusation stands out like a red wine spill on the cream-colored carpet.
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1 – 200 of 307 Newer› Newest»Even Ford’s life-long friend Keyser can’t or won’t corroborate her.
Combine that with the ridiculous negotiations over the terms of her testimony.
A few days ago I thought there might be something to the allegations. Now I feel strongly that it’s all bullshit.
Not "walk, don't run."
"Drive, don't fly."
Real time updates from CNN as Ms Ford is driven in the borrowed Dixie Chicks' tour bus east on I-80
Soon dozens, hundreds, thousands of rented, borrowed, stolen Fords - Fiestas, Focuses, Fusions (certainly NOT F-150's)- join the Ford Freedom Drive.
But near Omaha (David Bagley is that you?) hundreds of eighteen-wheelers slow and clog the interstate. Dubbed by CNN as the Kavanaugh Konvoy Kavalcade the stand-off receives worldwide press.
How will it all end????
whatever the reasons for your belief, it is not evidence.
A confirmation isn’t a narrative portrait of his life. It’s not a postmodern novel we get to write. It’s a job interview.
"Nothing shows on that man. It's so annoying to his antagonists, who keep adding to the stain pattern and making it even harder to see any new problem. What has Trump really done that's so bad?, I ask myself from time to time."
Well put, and that is largely the reason those of us who don't particularly like him support him. We've nominated saints before who were smeared to look like demons (Romney springs to mind). So we ended up with a smear proof president, not because he's above reproach but because he's beneath it. They only way he can be fought is on the issues.
https://www.americanthinker.com/
Althouse doesn't care about the system that has to work. Bring in the women.
Guys are the opposite. The system has to work, and what's with the fucking soap opera.
So to believe the accuser you have to think:
Kavanaugh is a liar;
Judge is a liar;
PJ is a liar;
Ford's best, lifelong friends is a liar;
Ford's therapist is a liar.
You mean the hurricane that dumped a record amount of water?
Do you think every hurricane has the same or even similar amounts of water?
Since the whole mess is political and any “flaw” will be capitalized on as a reason why not to confirm him, there no reason to demonstrate “humanizing” characteristics.
I mean, my gawd we already know how horrible is the fact that he loves baseball.
Seriously, my deeper hope is that most of America is not paying attention. Otherwise this will lead to all out political warfare.
And all for the nationwide right to abort a fetus.
That quote from the husband tells me even he doesn't believe her.
Apparently, Leland Keyser, a long time friend of Dr. Ford, has reputed her story. He lawyer submitted a letter that states that Ms. Keyser never met Brett Kavenaugh or was ever at a party or gathering with him with Dr. Ford. That is the fourth person along with Judge Kavenaugh to deny that there was a party or gathering that was described by Dr. Ford or that Judge K. ever behaved in an inappropriate matter. These witnesses are also subject to penalty under perjury. Do you still believe? This is a bullshit allegation to derail his confirmation. Whether an innocent person is besmirched is irrelevant to Democrats as long as they get what they want.
I don’t understand this post at all; way too nuanced.
This is a black-and-white evidence thing of a 30 minute event from 36 years ago. The other people all deny it happened. CBF never told anyone when it happened last century. CBF is a radical feminist liberal with an extreme case of TDS. It was sprung at the last minute.
CBF is a LIAR. This thing was mostly planned.
As to Brett being a secular saint, I have it on good authority he got a speeding ticket. He’s not perfect. Now do you believe him?
Ann, there really are smart, good and virtuous people in this world. And it is a goddamn CRIME what the Dems and MSN have done to him. This case is exactly why real Americans hate the Dems and MSM. They are TERRIBLE people.
When the Dems pulled the same stunt on Clarence Thomas my eyes were opened. I quit the Dem party and never looked back. Slandering a good Black man because he was conservative was horrible.
And I am expecting a complete bloodbath on Thursday. Even MSNBC will have to concede defeat.
mamawolf said...
Apparently, Leland Keyser, a long time friend of Dr. Ford, has reputed her story. He lawyer submitted a letter that states that Ms. Keyser never met Brett Kavenaugh or was ever at a party or gathering with him with Dr. Ford. That is the fourth person along with Judge Kavenaugh to deny that there was a party or gathering that was described by Dr. Ford or that Judge K. ever behaved in an inappropriate matter. These witnesses are also subject to penalty under perjury. Do you still believe? This is a bullshit allegation to derail his confirmation. Whether an innocent person is besmirched is irrelevant to Democrats as long as they get what they want.
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Wrong.
If I wanted a crazy cat woman to dominate our political, legal and judicial institutions for 2 weeks, I would have chosen Julie Newmar from the the old batman tv show.
Although I'm disposed to Kavanaugh, I can't shake thinking there's something to her story. All the stories that come out, her idiosyncrasies and weaknesses, they all fit in the same round hole. I'm waiting for something to be a square peg, something that doesn't fit the flavour of bullshit. The flakiness has been consistent in style, no sudden sharp detail that would be so easy to inject. Plus, if a couple of drunk guys are going to corner a high % girl in a bedroom, this is the one they'd pick.
And note that Keyser is a woman (and has always been a biological female - I guess it’s important to clarify that sort of thing these days).
Well, remember that Ford and the WaPo have been pushing the story that there were 4 boys at the party, presumably to make Ford’s current story more like what she told her therapist in 2012. So Ford and the WaPo have been pushing this “4 boys” line even though they all knew that Keyser was/is a female. So just ANOTHER hole in Ford’s story that she and the WaPo have been eager to elide.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1043708370979409920
"Kavanaugh seems just too good to be true....I wish he seemed more human with some failings and frailties like the rest of us. I don’t think Althouse likes or trusts that and that perfection strangely makes him less trustworthy in her eyes....Yes, that's what I wanted to quote."
A worse man could be understood, could be changed, could be saved. It's a romance novel.
I cannot for the life of me understand why any logical person would believe Ford's story. Brought forward after 35 years with zero proof by a CA university professor after she knew he was the nominee. In the wake of metoo. It's so obvious it's laughable. You have to be an idiot to give it any creedence. Cruel neutrality my ass.
"All of us agreed except one female juror who insisted that she had to convict the accused."
I once sat on a jury in a personal injury case, and had a very similar experience. Eleven jurors had carefully and reasonably concluded that the plaintiffs, while badly hurt, did not deserve compensation from a product manufacturer. The twelfth juror insisted that they must not leave court empty-handed, simply due to the extent of their injuries.
Of course, I am certain the gender of the intransigent juror is purely a coincidence.
I'll believe she will show on Thursday when I see it.
And hurricanes tend to be quite "wet."
Althouse is saying, what everybody agrees with, that whatever the woman feels is important enough to have a place in the conversation, only generalized from where it's true, a conversation with her husband; to where it's crazy, a conversation with everybody.
Feminism says everybody has to be as interested in her as a husband would be.
Guys are worried about process. If you fuck this up government can't work.
I can understand the position of Ford's husband in that quote I loved my late sister dearly. But when stressed she could become hysterical. Didn't happen often--but it did happen. Her husband would offer calm support--sometimes with a resigned shrug.
I'll accept the idea that Ms. Ford sincerely believes what she is saying. That doesn't mean that I have to believe it.
Any hint of a stain wrecks his purity.
I hope Kavanaugh gets his appointment as Jesus v2.0.
"Let he who is without rocks throw the first stone."
I cannot for the life of me understand why any logical person would believe Ford's story.
Her husband believes it because he likes and supports her and also wants to get laid.
Will the Senate be able to hold a hearing - public or private - for any contentious issue ever again?
Viewing these entire proceedings and the obviously "trumped up" (pun intended) charges brought by Ms Edsel--er--Ford, all I can fall back on are the words of that great political philosopher Lilly Tomlin: "I TRY to be cynical, but I can't keep up."
"Cream-colored carpet"?
Maybe if you just see the people involved as people instead of ridiculous analogies it would be easier to imagine that Kavanaugh and her are like most people. A conservative compliant kid like Kavanagh was unlikely to have acted like that, and a leftist with the common history of means-to-an-ends mentality and self-indulgence as Ford's history shows is likely to be dishonest if it can save the world as she and her like believe.
"'I’ve got this terrible secret.... What am I going to do with this secret?'"
What is so terrible about the alleged incident, and if it happened, it would not have been a secret for even 24 hours. Believing some terrible secret happened is counter to the evidence and human nature, and buying it shows a lack of understanding of your own biases. One highly partisan person says it happened, counter to everyone else who she says was a witness and everyone who knows Kavanaugh. False claims of this type are revealed over and over, but the majority of them roll over their victims primarily becuase of a bias to believe claims and the difficulty for most people to live up to American principles of due process. Be better than that.
We have yet to hear directly from Ford. I doubt we will except feom. her book and subsequent movie.
I suspect her story originated in therapy when the suggestion was made to her "Did something happen to you in highschool?". Having read Wasted, she probably conjured up details to build a story.
I'm looking for it but i think the reference to powerful men in Washington society came directly from that book.
This is not a trial and Judge Kavanaugh does not have to be proven guilty to lose the confirmation vote.
However, if he loses without any credible evidence against him, the Democrats/SJWs will have succeeded in creating a Soviet-style rule of law.
There is much more to this situation than just a confirmation vote. These people want to impose their will, regardless of the law and (in Trump's case) regardless of the democratic process.
You would think that someone with "no bad habits" might understand that clean "cream-colored carpets" exist.
Some of us would prefer to hear what you think about an issue rather than how you feel about it. Make sense?
"So I'll forgive all the commenters who misread what I wrote and fought me over the idea they got in their head when they read what I wrote."
Very benevolent of you, but I am not asking for forgiveness: I understood what you wrote. I understood it was "no stakes, no burden of proof, just who is more likely". And I wrote (among other comments):
...Althouse has insinuated 'amnesia' regarding Kavanaugh and Judge (see quotes in my previous comment) in regards to a story where the ACCUSER cannot remember beyond generalities.
She is on the wrong side of Kafka on this one.
I was arguing that your saying "...if I had to say right now, who is more likely to be telling us what is closer to the truth..." showed a feeling derived from nothing other than your own personal perspective coming into this -- which is not a crime, but IS reflective on your thought processes when you write your legalese analyses of this story (and impugn alcohol-related amnesia, for instance).
As such, I believe you have been developing arguments to buttress your feeling.
When there were was little available fact to evaluate, you believed the social construct of well-to-do boys attempting to rape young women is not just plausible but more believable than not.
Kinda like a lacrosse team, or a frat.
I am Laslo.
All the actresses believe her because that's what a plot is. A crazy woman suddenly appearing and then disappearing is no plot at all.
@Bill Crawford
LOL. Her name is apt: Blazey Ford.
A gf was mad at me all day for something I did in her dream, but at least she recognized it was an amusing situation.
Domesticated anger.
From another end-of-thread comment I wrote:
At this point, I would say that the person who has most violated Ford is Feinstein.
Feinstein held back on putting this story out there until the very end -- as many have said, a Hail Mary pass.
Which most likely means Feinstein knew the story was -- at best -- deeply flawed.
And those flaws exist because of one of two reasons*:
Ford is simply lying;
Ford has debilitating mental and emotional issues....I will, for the sake of kindness, posit that it is the latter....
So: Ford has debilitating mental and emotional issues. And knowing this, Feinstein pushes the woman into the spotlight, anyway.
A fragile, broken woman is set up by an esteemed female Senator to be the lightning rod of our current socio-political thunder storm.
Because Feinstein could've withheld the letter. This would not have been 'silencing' Ford: Ford was free to go directly to the NYT or the Washington Post or MSNBC or the Colbert Show etc etc to tell her story. Her lawyers could've done the same.
Feinstein knowingly gave the keys to the car to a drunk driver, and set the GPS to the freeway at rush hour.
I wonder if any of the women who 'feel' for Ford will ever hold Feinstein accountable for this willful destructive act.
I have a 'feeling' about the answer to that last question.
I am Laslo.
Daniel Richwine writes: So we ended up with a smear proof president, not because he's above reproach but because he's beneath it.
Excellent!
I could not vote for any congress person who would vote against Kavanaugh based on this unfounded charge dumped on the process the way this was. It would be cowardice, stupidity, and dereliction of duty. Such a person would not be deserving of power in an American system.
"...the accusation stands out like a red wine spill on the cream-colored carpet."
For those like me this incident would be like a beer spilled on beige carpet.
Leland Keyser was married to Bob Beckel and had two kids with him. Also looks like she likes older dudes.
Also...
"In a July conference call to Democrat leaders, Ricki Seidman – a Democratic operative, former Clinton White House official and current advisor to Dr. Christine Blasey Ford – laid out a strategy to defeat the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Democrats knew they had nothing on squeaky-clean Judge Kavanaugh so they devised a plot to take him down in July.
But Ricki Seidman spoke about her plot to destroy Kavanaugh on the July call.
Ricki Seidman: Over the coming days and weeks there will be a strategy that will emerge, and I think it’s possible that that strategy might ultimately defeat the nominee.
This was at the same time anti-Trump protester Christine Blasey Ford sent her letter to Senator Feinstein.
Senator Feinstein has still not released the unredacted letter. Democrats are hiding facts from the public. And Seidman is advising Christine Ford in the party’s disgusting hit on Judge Kavanaugh.
This was all a Democrat plot to take down Judge Kavanaugh."
https://www.teaparty.org/democrat-plot-christine-ford-adviser-told-democrats-july-call-plot-take-kavanaugh-audio-325223/
It suits some people to believe Mayella Ewell, in spite of the efforts of Atticus Finch.
Ford apparently has a bad reputation among PGA golfers.
Let's suppose it is true, for the sake of argument.
It wasn't a rape, it was drunken behavior at a high school party 35 years ago. It was either horseplay that turned scary or Kavanaugh somehow got the wrong idea and quickly realized his mistake and it ended.
Either way he didn't do it some more. There's no evidence of continued problems with alcohol or abuse of women.
Kavanaugh spent the next 35 years turning himself into the kind of judge qualified to sit on highest court in the land. That's what counts.
Some of us would prefer to hear what you think about an issue rather than how you feel about it. Make sense?
Some women want to sit at the men's table, some don't. Or you can at least get rid of the men's table and make them eat off the floor.
Althouse" "It feels like a game of chicken".
If you ask me, it's more like a... Kathy Griffin topless chicken dance.
The trouble is that you can't domesticate women's anger at men in general, only at husbands. With husbands it becomes jokes and a good prose style.
" So we ended up with a smear proof president, not because he's above reproach but because he's beneath it."
Cute, but lazy. It is not Trump that defects the smears. It's the open and obvious unhinged nature of his attackers and the fact that they are so often wrong and biggly wrong. Everyone sees them as Chicken Littles now. They did that to themselves and have now insulated Trump with it. Just look back at all the false claims and wrong predictions about Trump and his policies. It makes you ignore them as soon as they open their mouths. If they want credibility, try being right once in a while.
Ann, please follow @KimberleyStrassel on Twitter. I believe your opinion of both Dr. Ford and the "Washington Post" will change.
I agreed with Henry at the time I read his comment yesterday regarding the importance of "closer to," so I was not about to get down into the weeds and try to argue specifics with Althouse. Let us stipulate, as may indeed have been the case, that at some time and place Ford was held down and groped at a high school party. In this one sense, Ford is as close to the truth as her memory allows. But as a truth, it is utterly irrelevant to the intersection between her, Kavanaugh, and the confirmation process. In this latter sense, there is one and only one truth (fact) that counts. Namely, of all the possible assailants available, was it Kavanaugh? No other "truth" matters. And that's granting her the benefit of the doubt on her general story.
Let's dispense with the mental illness meme.
Christine Blasey Ford gives no evidence of mental illness from my limited, but professional perspective.
Her behavior has been purposeful and goal directed. Her story is inconsistent because she is either blatantly lying or purposefully confabulating. She is an SJW doing what it takes, by any means necessary to undermine Kavanaugh, Trump's and the rule of law.
Her actions are not those of a mentally ill person. They are the actions of a person on a mission.
Tcrosse suggests: It suits some people to believe Mayella Ewell, in spite of the efforts of Atticus Finch.
The thought occurred to me the other day. Of course, the fact that the presumed perp was a POC effectively neutralized that argument.
I would have expected Althouse to key in on facts. "Her husband believes her!" - wow, I'm going to have to adjust my view of our host. Good grief.
And 'cruel neutrality'? Not in evidence here.
Is not the timing of these allegations enough to start at the position of "I don't believe her"?
How about the fact this is the democrats doing this to a republican nominee? Or that she scrubbed her social media before 'not wanting to go public' going public?
Gees.
How about if you start with "I don't believe anything"...without verifying evidence. Not feelz.
" I wish he seemed more human with some failings and frailties like the rest of us."
Odd. If Althouse were nominated to the SC would there be people coming forward with incidents from her past when she behaved horribly? A woman who has no bad habits and appears to have a friendly relationship with her ex - usually the source of negative tales. Of course people are going to say he was a great coach. How petty would someone sound to come forward and say he kept my kid on the bench too much he shouldn't be on the SC. We would laugh - hopefully. I am sure there are plenty of past co-workers who do not like the man, however, to come forward with something negative against a nominee it should be something very serious - correct? I would think the majority of people raised like AA and Kavanaugh do not have dark secrets to be exposed. Kagan, Sotomayor and Gorsuch did not. Were they cleaner than Kavanaugh or is there some special animus against Kavanaugh.I suspect the real reason is that he is not very good looking - so perhaps unconsciously Althouse finds it easier to believe he might have to force someone.
An alcohol-affected memory from 30 years is the very definition of unreliable.
I doubt I can remember exact details about anything 30 years ago.
"Such a person would not be deserving of power in an American system."
With growing horror, I've come to realize that there are no adults in the American ruling classes, and this is probably going to have very bad consequences for the US and the world as a whole – at least those parts of the world that take their sociopolitical cues from the US.
Mike Smith said...
Ann, please follow @KimberleyStrassel on Twitter. I believe your opinion of both Dr. Ford and the "Washington Post" will change.
It tells you that the Judiciary Committee has already investigated everything there is to investigate, and already know all of the answers to the questions. That's why they leaked the WAPO email to Strassel--so now the public and Team Ford know they know she's lying.
""I've got to admit that if I had to say right now, who is more likely to be telling us what is closer to the truth — no stakes, no burden of proof, just who is more likely — I'd have to say her."
Nice, worthless, and completely irrelevant, becuase that's not the situation. That's not a statement of thought, but just words with no mooring to reality. There is a burden of proof, the stakes are high, and there is plenty of evidence refuting her. I know it may get comments, but please do better. I use my coming here to burnish my needy facade of intelligence. This isn't helping. It's more like a wine stain I will need to cover with a boutonniere.
"It suits some people to believe Mayella Ewell, in spite of the efforts of Atticus Finch."
If you truly believe, if you are of pure heart, if you just try hard enough, you can see the Emperor's new cloak, despite the malicious nay-sayers – and you will be amazed at its splendor.
Counter to popular opinion, many people do not have skeletons in their closet, especially ones that a number of people would have to know about if they happened.
David Begley said...
I don’t understand this post at all; way too nuanced.
I'm with you, I couldn't understand it. I couldn't read it all the way through. Too many words, or something like that.
It seems against logic and common sense to think that the more morally perfect a person looks, the more likely he is to have some terrible moral imperfection. True, one can have all the virtues conservatism especially values and be a very imperfect or even bad person, but that's more a matter of being bad (and hence morally imperfect) when it comes to the moral virtues conservatives tend to less appreciate.
"When there were was little available fact to evaluate, you believed the social construct of well-to-do boys attempting to rape young women is not just plausible but more believable than not."
There is also a social construct of the SJW, and women who lie about sexual assault. Some could rely on that with justification, but we don't need to, and should not use either unreliable set of non-evidence. We already have a system.
I just think our host is just instinctively siding with her tribe, nothing more or less. Kavanaugh is in an impossible situation. Any hint and this travesty takes him down. These 4-5 decade accusations are absolute bull****. If you didn’t report it or call the cops it didn’t happen.
I object to the whole "let's forget about the stakes" idea when trying to decide if Ford is telling the truth. The stakes -- a probable originality replacing a mercurial swing justice -- cannot rationally be ignored here.
So let me get this straight, AA sort of believes CBF's sexual assault allegations against BK solely because BK seems too perfect. Mind you, there is no specific date or location of the assault alleged by CBF and all of the "witnesses" she mentioned deny the allegations.
Allrighty then.
Browndog @9:11 nails it.
"I blog from a position I call "cruel neutrality""
No. When it comes to women, women's rights, and women's bodies, you are a partisan and argue in bad faith.
The Althouse rationalizations tell the Dems that they were right to gamble on destroying the process and vilifying Kavanaugh. When you are pro-woman, pro-choice, they let you do it.
Basey-Ford looks like every standard grade-A leftwing liar. She hates Trump and this is her grand gesture on behalf of the corruptocrat party.
"Kavanaugh seems just too good to be true....I wish he seemed more human with some failings and frailties like the rest of us.
I was a bit uncomfortable with Kavanaugh, not for that reason but because he looked too much like a squish.
Too likely to "grow in office" to please the WaPoo.
This smear will fix that. He played football. There is probably a cold rage in him right now that will prevent "growing in office" forever.
I thought, to be charitable to Ford, that she probably had a recovered memory. Francisco is probably more correct. She is just lying.
Vote Monday.
We are never going to know. There is always going to be doubt. I'm willing for the benefit of the doubt to fall in his direction. Maybe then the next alleged victim will go to the police or make accusations sooner. Maybe then the opposing political party will lay out the accusations they receive when they receive them. They shouldn't be rewarded for these tactics.
Let's view this as a learning opportunity. What is being taught and to whom?
Blogger Unknown said...
I just think our host is just instinctively siding with her tribe, nothing more or less.
Yup. The "Coddling" book should tell us that.
readering's comment is significant.
They played the role too long and too evasively. Nobody else came forward,
It was either horseplay that turned scary or Kavanaugh somehow got the wrong idea and quickly realized his mistake and it ended.
This is my take. She needed to forget it. I had to forget it. I figured I would have explain what I was doing out walking home at 3 am...it was long time ago and I got in with my life. It looks like she did too and is doing well.
But it seems like every woman who has something like this in her past is hysterically throwing her anger and Shane at Kavanaugh, like the woman on walk don't run's jury. That's scary.
"whatever the reasons for your belief, it is not evidence."
Evidence is anything that makes a fact in issue more likely or less likely. It's a low standard and not to be confused with the burden of proof. I'm using the legal definition, and I used to teach the law school course Evidence, so I know what I'm doing.
I understand you may be using a layperson's approach to a legal term, but I'm not.
>>If you truly believe, if you are of pure heart, if you just try hard enough, you can see the Emperor's new cloak, despite the malicious nay-sayers – and you will be amazed at its splendor.
Ann's position: It is closer to the truth that the emperor is, in fact, wearing clothes.
If you add extra paragraphs to you comment, I will delete.
Don't imagine I'm censoring substance. It's a breach of form. Don't do it.
Dr K said: "I thought, to be charitable to Ford, that she probably had a recovered memory. Francisco is probably more correct. She is just lying."
Hey! Relax! Shimmer is a Floor Wax AND a Desert Topping!
She came up with recovered memory about gang rape in high school while in therapy, and Lied about that
So Trump is a bad man because of his less than perfect past, and Kavanagh is a bad man because of his perfect past?
Evidence is anything that makes a fact in issue more likely or less likely.
So if an accuser describes a crime and names individuals that were present when the crime was committed, and all of those witnesses (including a lifelong friend of the accuser) submit sworn affidavits denying that the incident ever happened...that's not evidence?
We are never going to know. There is always going to be doubt
Why? Everyone else (including a woman and lifelong friend of the accuser) who was supposed to have been at the party says not only did the assault never happen, the party never happened.
"So Trump is a bad man because of his less than perfect past, and Kavanagh is a bad man because of his perfect past?"
Obviously, they are both bad men because they are men, without even the mitigating circumstance of being non-white and/or non-straight.
It was either horseplay that turned scary or Kavanaugh somehow got the wrong idea and quickly realized his mistake and it ended
Right, this is what they thought; since this would be a perjury trap for Kavanaugh. They'd get him to deny, under oath, that he'd raped her; then they'd say "You swore you'd never been there: PERJURY!" But, the thing's falling apart since they can't even find a single person to say that Kavanaugh was there. So now, the whole thing is just red wine over the bridge (and onto the carpet)
Let's see.
Woman recovers memory in therapy, 30 years after alleged incident, without any contemporaneous corroboration, can't remember time, place, manner of transportation, is inconsistent as to people present, makes allegation not when judge is nominated for first court or reviewed for promotion to SCOTUS, not to president or Senate chairman, not to law enforcement or FBI, and is handled by veteran Dem operatives including co-architect of previous Dem smears.
Four other people allegedly involved strenuously deny the claim.
Now, normally one would think that a vague allegation, lacking specifics, inconsistent in content, not confirmed by any external evidence, not originally reported to law enforcement or anyone else, never brought up in decades, handled in partisan fashion by partisan lawyers, denied by 4 supposed witnesses, would have no credibility.
But Althouse tells us Kavanaugh looks so good he must have a dark side, therefore we should believe the accuser more.
Is what I mean by bad faith.
Ford wasn't raped, but we are all screwed.
"I would have expected Althouse to key in on facts. "Her husband believes her!" - wow, I'm going to have to adjust my view of our host. Good grief. "
I didn't say I felt tipped toward thinking her story is closer to the truth than K's because her husband believes her. I was influenced by the words he said, which wasn't that he believed her, but a report of his observation of her emotional state: "Her mind-set was, 'I’ve got this terrible secret.... What am I going to do with this secret?' She was like, 'I can’t deal with this. If he becomes the nominee, then I’m moving to another country. I cannot live in this country if he’s in the Supreme Court'... She wanted out."
I don't know exactly why that sunk in and affected me in a different way than other things I've read, but it was certainly not that he's saying he believes her. He didn't even say that, and I don't know for sure if he even does believe her. But I do think she was distraught. I don't know exactly why.
Kavanaugh seems just too good to be true....I wish he seemed more human with some failings and frailties like the rest of us.
Because the Left would never seize on those as excuses not to confirm him...right?
What were RBG's "failings and frailties"? Sotomayor's? Kagan's?
Ann, seems like my sources of information have holes in them. You obviously have information where there is Kavanaugh testimony, not only in the Senate, proclaiming his perfection. Please do share. Keep in mind your skilled surgery separateing “similar” and “same” while defending yourself.
"But it seems like every woman who has something like this in her past is hysterically throwing her anger and Shane at Kavanaugh"
Modern feminism, campus feminism, seems to require women to have a "war story" about having been sexually assaulted. It gives them some sort of street cred with each other. This leads to embroidery, exaggeration, outright lies.
But I do think she was distraught. I don't know exactly why.
Maybe she was like every other Leftwing (and supposedly neutral) woman out there and was hysterical over the idea that a fifth vote to overturn Roe was being nominated to the Court?
parse it out however you like, but this is a smear-job shit-show,
employed by the desperately deranged, or those imbued with a sense that they are immune to in-kind reprisal. Or both.
Their sense of immunity is derived from their reliance on entrenched double-standards
But with the wonderful paragon Kavanaugh, the accusation stands out like a red wine spill on the cream-colored carpet.
Let’s not lose sight of the fact Bill Clinton would be easily confirmed.
So tell me again what standards we’re using.
"But I do think she was distraught. I don't know exactly why."
Being distraught tips the scale.
I am Laslo.
>>I used to teach the law school course Evidence, so I know what I'm doing.
So you would agree there is no evidence at all until she testifies under oath.
Not following the comments, but has anyone noted Ford's possible motive for implicating Kavanaugh when it might have been that other guy whose house was close to the golf course, namely, that she was a never-Trumper who feared Kavanaugh on the Court would lead to the overturn of Roe v. Wade? Shouldn't she therefore be forced to divulge her social media history not to the public necessarily but at least to the committee in order to evaluate her possible motivation?
I do think something happened to her and that she knew and had some experiences with Kavanaugh when they were in high school, and that's closer to the truth than his bland flat denials.
I'm picturing a diagram with one axis going from absolutely nothing happened to the brutal details she alleged and the other axis is about her state of mind, going from she was fully into anything that may have happened to she vocally and physically resisted with all her power. Now, make a dot for CBF and a dot for BK and think about what might really happened. BK's dot seems to be in the complete lower left position. CBF's dot is in the upper right quadrant. Which dot would you guess — guessing right now! — is closer to the truth dot?
Now, if she's not damned close to the truth, she's bad for speaking up at all and Dianne Feinstein, et al. are horrible political hacks for putting us through this (unless they are gullible fools). But once CBF spoke up, BK should not have denied everything if something had happened, and his truthfulness is in issue in deciding whether to confirm him.
"when it might have been that other guy whose house was close to the golf course"
Do her allegations say something about a golf course? Are you relying on that Ed Whelan crap??
Bagoh @ 8:41
Right on.
I'll predict that starting with this mornings talk shows, we'll start hearing that even if the charges aren't true, Kavanagh's reputation has been damaged too much and his nomination should be withdrawn for the good of the country.
“So if an accuser describes a crime and names individuals that were present when the crime was committed, and all of those witnesses (including a lifelong friend of the accuser) submit sworn affidavits denying that the incident ever happened.”
1) The first thing her handlers would have asked her would be how sure she was that the 4 were there. She is sure. The individuals memory of this would fade faster than hers.
2) The contrast between her not remembering the location or date, yet remembering this is what you’d expect if memory loss is prioritized.
I think they were possibly there. Don’t shit on me, I can’t shake something about this.
Do her allegations say something about a golf course? Are you relying on that Ed Whelan crap??
Which is much worse than ignoring the fact that everyone else says nothing happened.
Didn't watch any of the hearings/interviews, all I heard was the screaming of Democrat party members. Did Kavanaugh really "present himself as good all the way through", or did he just answer questions that he was asked? I see many others who are presenting him as good all the way through, including dozens and dozens of women who have known him throughout his life and are willing to risk their privacy to publicly support him.
Althouse said...
"But I do think she was distraught. I don't know exactly why."
How many distraught women have you seen since Teump was elected? Pussy hat parades? Screaming at the sky? Disrupting hearings?
Distraught is the definition of left wing women these past two years.
"So Trump is a bad man because of his less than perfect past, and Kavanagh is a bad man because of his perfect past?
Boy, that is a perfect, i.e., frightening comment from a usual suspect, i.e., troll. Trump is a hard-right idiot president who is amoral, immoral, and a bad man anyway you slice it. He taxes, i.e., fleeces the middle class to hand over billions and billions to rich people including himself. That is greedy thievery which makes him and the GOP not only bad, but as close to pure evil as I care to consider today, to stay in the present.
Kavanaugh got drunk (more than once) as a late teen, lost his inhibitions, and tried to rape an early teen at a party. Be honest about it. Knowing that fact, if you still want him on the Supreme Court say so. It is pure BS otherwise, and trying to discredit the victim is perverse, and worthy of scum.
I do think something happened to her and that she knew and had some experiences with Kavanaugh when they were in high school, and that's closer to the truth than his bland flat denials.
Why??????
But once CBF spoke up, BK should not have denied everything if something had happened, and his truthfulness is in issue in deciding whether to confirm him.
So the fact that the four other people who were supposedly there back him up and deny anything happened is meaningless?
Why is his truthfulness the issue and not hers?
@Althouse at 10:02
This must be what they call Geometric Logic.
Professora Althouse is saying in effect ... K's *virtuous persona* is emotionally smothery ... Feelz as if he's lying on me with hand over mouth.
She's been triggered? By too much K civility
trumpit is going to testify Thursday from his deep knowledge of the case.
He was hiding under the bed at the time Chrissy Ford had her revelation.
But once CBF spoke up, BK should not have denied everything if something had happened, and his truthfulness is in issue in deciding whether to confirm him.
The Feeelz is strong in this one.
The 19th Amendment is hanging by a thread.
He was hiding under the bed at the time Chrissy Ford had her revelation.
She saw him in the dark and said, "Brett? Is that you?"
And he said, "Yeah. I'm Brett".
Asshole girls do lie about rape.
I know one. She used to threaten her BF whenever they would fight or argue, - she would threaten to call the police and say he raped her.
Weapons.
If Kavanaugh is not confirmed we have carved out a special place for white men accused of sexual assault. Guilty until proven innocent. We have also made it impossible for any white man to be confirmed to the supreme court as a Republican. I believe this is precisely what the left wants.
However, anyone who has a brother, son or husband may regret this new standard when someone accuses them. There is no evidence in this case. One person sending a letter to her Representative, (which cannot be deemed perjury) isn't evidence.
“ I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant”
@ Althouse
Why is this not just an attempt at graphing your woman's intuition?
It's a he said-she said. There's really no way to know where to put those two dots apart from how you feel.
The Democrats released something intended to play on your emotions and it worked. And that is the purpose of the whole sorry show.
"I don't know exactly why that sunk in and affected me in a different way than other things I've read, but it was certainly not that he's saying he believes her. He didn't even say that, and I don't know for sure if he even does believe her. But I do think she was distraught. I don't know exactly why."
How can you be affected by a script? You have had no opportunity to see CBF testify. Everything has been stage managed to manipulate your thinking. I am surprised that your instincts don't tell you that you are being manipulated.
There is zero evidence that CBF is telling the truth. There is increasing evidence that she has no support for her allegation. Furthermore, her lawyers' desire to stage manage her testimony to the Judiciary Committee strongly suggests that this whole affair is about optics NOT searching for the truth.
There is no clear evidence that she is distraught or in any way emotionally affected by this process. Her handlers are trying to make her out to be damaged goods when she has had a successful career as an academic psychologist. Just because she was in marital therapy does not mean she is emotionally damaged. Most of the couples I saw in marital therapy were successful, emotionally stable individuals.
This whole situation and the reaction to it reminds me of the repressed memory craze of a few years ago. Including the fact that the recollections happened with a therapist.
The timing and following tactics are too cute.
Democrats know what they are going to get out of this, don't they. The next nominee will be as extreme as Ginsburg, on an up or down vote. If you have to walk on embers to get anyone through, get someone who will actually be worth it.
By the way, I don't trust these clean as a whistle Republicans. They have either been extraordinarily successful at hiding their flaws or mistakes, or are so far removed from normal human beings that they shouldn't be placed in a position of authority and judgement.
Why wasn't this allegation brought up when Kavanagh was nominated to the Court of Appeals and the Democrats held his nomination up for three years? Is it OK for judge on the Court of Appeals to be guilty of a teenaged sexual assault?
Sure Kavanagh should also be impeached from his Court of Appeals seat also...….
On that War story thing: I went to see Chilean author Isabel Allende speak at Town Hall in Seattle, and she touched on some details of the Desapaercidos case which informed some of her prose (flying your political enemies out over the Pacific on a one-way trip). Pretty sobering.
A girl got up to ask a question but offered a qualifying call-out to Allende about ‘I hear you there sister’ or ‘you go girl’ and it was eye-rolling.
Because Seattle is a Pilgrimage point for many core Resist types, this ritualistic behavior is common. It’s how young women, lesbians, radicals and wannabe radicals show they’re part of the group. And it’s not an emotionally mature group nor set of ideas about the world. really. I’m guessing Ford runs in similar circles.
Instead of planes, however, I picture most of these ‘ladies’ piling into a rented van and driving out to fields to burn papier-mâché men in effigy.
A few probably would kill you, though.
Sad!
>>Why is his truthfulness the issue and not hers?
Because of cruel neutrality.
Here, in my estimation, is the credible evidence against Kavanaugh. He was a high school football player, and, as everyone knows, high school football players are apt to act like assholes. Fair enough, but do we know whether Kavanaugh was a lineman or a member of the backfield, was he a star player or merely a grunt. It is unfair to stereotype all high school football players as assholes. We need more information about his hs football career. Perhaps his coach and teammates could testify as to his prowess and reputation on the gridiron,...The other bit of evidence against him is that he had a friend who was a heavy drinker and that he went to a high school where a lot of heavy drinking happened. Given his friend and his milieu, it is reasonable to suggest Kavanaugh might have overindulged at some point in his life. Still, as yet, no witnesses have come forward to state that they have ever seen Kavanaugh drunk. Beyond this, it seems to me a quantum jump to suggest that heavy drinking leads to attempted rape.......No reasonable person would ever convict Kavanaugh on the evidence thus far presented against him, but he, nonetheless, deserves to have his reputation and career damaged irreparably because of these charges. The accusation is proof that something happened. His lifetime of good behavior is proof that he's hiding something.. This stinks.
"But once CBF spoke up, BK should not have denied everything if something had happened, and his truthfulness is in issue in deciding whether to confirm him."
From my comment above:
"When there were was little available fact to evaluate, you believed the social construct of well-to-do boys attempting to rape young women is not just plausible but more believable than not."
This case has been front-burner in the media for -- what? -- a week now?
From the Tweets and editorials and all, there are millions of people desperately hoping someone comes forward to give even an inkling of credibility to her claims. Her witnesses deny her story, and -- despite the fervent wishes of seemingly half the country -- no one has come forward with anything remotely close to supporting her memory.
But the take is: "BK should not have denied everything if something had happened."
Has anyone even come forward to say that the two even knew each other? That their paths ever even crossed?
I'm picturing a diagram with one axis going from cruel neutrality, to Orwell, Kafka and Torquemada.
I am Laslo.
An epidemic of infallibility. W. and Obama and Trump can never admit to being wrong. Libya and Benghazi, the brutal war in Iraq, a butcher's approach to the financial crisis, and so, so many boneheaded mistakes. And, surprise, here's another dude who won't admit to making a mistake. How can Mr. Kavanaugh show respect for Dr. Ford and for other victims of rape unless he admits to his wrongdoing??!! Mr. Kavanaugh continues to focus only on his own self-image and how it was harmed by Dr. Ford's allegations. This man is an extreme narcissist. Only by admitting the wrongdoing, will Mr. Kavanaugh be able to show that he values women (like his daughters and wife and the model interns and teenage girls he mentors, etc.).
Come on guys, we can do better than this a*sh*le.
>>I'm picturing a diagram with one axis going from cruel neutrality, to Orwell, Kafka and Torquemada.
I think we passed Orwell days ago, but I agree that Torquemada is the destination.
"Asshole girls do lie about rape."
"Asshole girls like me lie about rape." I fixed it for you.
I learned the truth at seventeen
That love was meant for beauty queens
And high school girls with clear skinned smiles
Who married young and then retired
The valentines I never knew
The Friday night charades of youth
Were spent on one more beautiful
At seventeen I learned the truth
And those of us with ravaged faces
Lacking in the social graces
Desperately remained at home
Inventing lovers on the phone
Who called to say - come dance with me
And murmured vague obscenities
It isn't all it seems at seventeen ... [Janis Ian, (1975)]
"How can you be affected by a script? You have had no opportunity to see CBF testify. Everything has been stage managed to manipulate your thinking."
Billy Flynn, call your office.
I also am thinking of what Dr. K has said -- that this experience may certainly color Kavanaugh's outlook going forward.
Which means: we will soon hear the argument that he should not be confirmed because this experience has made him unable to judge future cases clearly.
I am Laslo.
Only by admitting the wrongdoing, will Mr. Kavanaugh be able to show that he values women (like his daughters and wife and the model interns and teenage girls he mentors, etc.).
Ford is not the only one crazy around here,
this new Bureau of Purity will get you coming or going.
Clean? = not believable, cant relate to the general populace
Dirty? = unfit, compromised
>>Only by admitting the wrongdoing, will Mr. Kavanaugh be able to show that he values women
It looks the like the Show Trial will be proceeding shortly. The Self-Denunciation is, in fact, the next step.
I read Althouse's post and I still don't understand.
This country has gone 10 kinds of crazy.
Lefty Ms. Ford - in league with the Democrats - has publicly accused the Judge in order to ruin his reputation and deny him a SCOTUS seat based on something that happened 36 y/o.
She has no proof. She can't even say when or where the assault happened. She hasn't even proved she knew Kavenaugh. She has nothing.
But we're all supposed to pretend she's not a lying left-wing asshole and treat her with respect, because Vagina.
And I love how these Left-wing women don't care about the Court of Appeals. It seems Hill and Ford were OK with gropers and sexual harassers being on the DC Court of Appeals - but the SCOTUS? That's different.
i'm picturing a diagram with a Procrustean Bed on one axis,
and a Kangaroo Court on the other
If she ever testifies, maybe then can ask her why she first went to her Democrat Congresswomen, and then the WaPo - before she went to Feinstein.
And why she never sent a copy of her letter to Grasley.
this experience has made him unable to judge future cases clearly.
No, but I think it has taught him he has no friends on the left, no matter what they will say once he is on the Court.
It will also immunize other nominees against late hits like this.
I also think we have seen the last public hearing on these nominees.
The next Trump nominee will be Amy Barrett and that will be a bigger circus but they have learned not to have an open hearing.
"Only by admitting the wrongdoing, will Mr. Kavanaugh be able to show that he values women"
Kavanaugh needs to win the victory over himself and love Big Sister.
@Bob
he now regrets not joining the Junior Anti-Sex League
""But I do think she was distraught. I don't know exactly why."
Getting upset is the female equivalent of a man raising his fist. It's a display of power meant to control and produce compliance, or at the least stop any pushback. Is this really new to you?
"I was influenced by the words he said, which wasn't that he believed her, but a report of his observation of her emotional state"
Cuz evidence and logic.
But I appreciate the honesty.
"I learned the truth at seventeen
That love was meant for beauty queens
And high school girls with clear skinned smiles
Who married young and then retired"
If that's true, then where do homely girls come from?
Althouse, I get the impression that you view the Kavanaugh nomination as a bit of a regrettable aspect of the Trump Administration.
Whereas I view it as one of the few redeeming features of the Trump Administration.
When you wrote two years ago that you thought that Trump was pro-gay and being cagey about it, I agreed with you. (With each of us making opposite value judgments about that fact, no doubt.) But while you might rightly think that Trump is personally/privately not much of a social conservative, his actions are giving you little comfort.
Althouse, I don't honestly know if your fascination with Trump was driven by your personal animus toward both national political parties; was that it? Do you feel vindicated, particularly as relates to the Republican Party? That is, Trump is effectively wrecking national Republican partisanship? Or social conservative/Movement Conservative Republicanism?
Evidence is anything that makes a fact in issue more likely or less likely.
He flipped four heads in a row and then raped me. You know right away that she's lying 15 times out of 16.
I am not one to give Dr. Althouse JD emeritus the benefit of the doubt.
This piece feels like a mixture of casuistry and PR move to retain (or perhaps regain) credibility with her blog post audience. Look at poor little me. I wrote something declarative and now let me lead you step by step down the primrose path by citing my thoughts and prior assumptions (aren't they reasonable thoughts?) so that not only do you understand my conclusion, but if you are a good person, you'd AGREE with my proposition...that Kavanaugh did it."
The creation of doubt. Classic defense lawyer tactic.
So we meet 'Althouse the Woman' many times with 'the stakes removed'. Note well, all of these stakes are the negative consequences to our politics, norms, comity, legal proceedings and the character assassination of a Man.
One of those 'unremoved' stakes is 'not question vigorously a woman with horrible credibility problems. No, that stake needs to remain in place and let's give it a few more taps of the hammer to keep it in place.
So we get this Jesuitical reasoning.
But like Godot and the arrival of Ford, I fear that Dr. Professor JD emeritus Althouse will not unsheathe that Scalpel of Cruel Neutrality when Ford is on the table.
Ann, Laslo wrote a comment yesterday directly to you that I thought was probably the best thing I have read on this site in the last year. You should address it with an actual post. He took your statement and met it head on, and read it exactly as you described it here.
Haven't read the comments but the first lesson I draw from the post itself is that people who comment here ought always to use names the initial letters of which are capitalized.
Ok, I see Laslo has also appeared in this thread himself.
Ford's testimony is internally (her story has changed), externally (her witnesses have not materialized), and mutually (missing links) inconsistent, which suggests that she is either lying or there was material corruption of her recovered memories during or after the fact.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
I do think something happened to her and that she knew and had some experiences with Kavanaugh when they were in high school, and that's closer to the truth than his bland flat denials.
Bullshit on your fierce neutrality. He could have easily memory-holed it. I've never had a good memory for events because I choose not to live in the past and use my brain for problem solving and not nostalgia. Whenever I get together with friends and family, people tell fantastic stories about me that I have no memory of. You gotta keep your mind clean to maintain master-race status.
"Only by admitting the wrongdoing, will Mr. Kavanaugh be able to show that he values women (like his daughters and wife and the model interns and teenage girls he mentors, etc.)."
What wrongdoing?
Right now, my guess is that there is a 1%-2% chance that he did something that half the teenaged boys out there did in high school, and the other half wished they were cool enough to have been able to do. And, if it had happened, and she had told her parents and gone to the police, they would have laughed her out of the police station. At worst, two drunk teenagers making out on a bed in someone's parents' house, with those parents out for the evening, and the guy had wandering hands. Most of a decade before their brains are fully developed, with adult judgment being the last thing to complete.
Indeed, as a PhD psychologist, I think that I would ask her about that last point, if I were an attorney examining her on the stand - I would ask her:
1) don't male brains finish maturing and developing around 25, on average? And a year or two earlier for females?
2) isn't judgment the last brain function to complete development?
3) doesn't alcohol adversely affect judgment, and esp in adolescents?
"Ann, Laslo wrote a comment yesterday directly to you that I thought was probably the best thing I have read on this site in the last year."
I am humbled. Seriously.
I am Laslo.
Women getting upset is evidence of an internal state of affairs with a positive growth state, like a feedback howl in an audio system when the volume is too high.
A few comments:
First of all, I love the cream carpet analogy. It definitely helped me understand where Althouse was coming from, even though I disagree with her.
Second of all, I love when Trump says things like a hurricane was extremely wet. It cracks me up, and I know it will piss off people who hate him. He knows exactly what he's saying and doing at all times. I find him to be subversive, and it delights me.
Finally, I still think Ford is lying and the whole situation is bullshit. Democrats are just throwing shit against the wall, trying to get something to stick. It's not a good look, and it's harmful not only to Kavanaugh and his family, but also to our country as a whole.
Not that husbands don't love their audio systems, just that it's unreasonable to expect anybody else to love the audio system.
Woman as audio system. I like that analogy.
I'm still befuddled by the fact that Barack Obama admitted to use of cocaine when he was the approximate age of Kavanaugh, but has never paid any political price.
Is it because Obama admitted it? Is it because cocaine use is a supposedly victimless crime?
What if Kavanaugh had said, "Oh yeah, we did some roughhousing when we were drinking at parties at Georgetown Prep. Mrs. Ford's memory might be accurate, although it is certainly overdramatized, and there is not another woman in the world who would or could credibly make a similar charge against me. My drunken behavior on one night 36 years ago was regrettable. It was probably excessive. I might have had something different to say, if I had been approached about this 30, or even 20, years ago. But I've never raped anybody, and no one will ever credibly claimed that I raped anybody..."
Kavanaugh has 30 years of high level security clearances, high level federal government work, and an otherwise unblemished record of personal character and professionalism. If the allegation from his high school days were true, I would still vote to confirm him in a heartbeat.
Althouse is used to the spaghetti stained paisley of the Academic crowd, where personal flaws are the norm and in fact rejoiced.
So when faced with a white carpet...all she can do is look for the stains. Because a white carpet, which is difficult to pull off, makes the lie that the actions of the spaghetti stained have no other options than to live their crapulent horribly flawed lives.
A white carpet is a rebuke...and must be destroyed.
Blogger rhhardin said...
Woman as audio system. I like that analogy.
When you figure out how to turn down the volume and change their tunes, please let us know, Einstein. This is another of your dyslexic by high sell low theories.
Chuck is befuddled, film at eleven
so,
If Kavanaugh continues his bland flat denials, he shouldn't be on the court
If Kavenaugh EVER admits EVER EVEN Knowing her; it's perjury, and he shouldn't be on the court
Because Kavenaugh IS Guilty; he's guilty of being nominated by a republican.
One image that came to mind during this post is Althouse dressed like a Sister of Silence, constantly demanding that Kavanaugh 'Confess!'.
Though Kavanaugh makes a very poor Cersi. (though honestly, Cersi as portrayed by that actress never really moved me. Something about her lips and the short hair is JUST AWFUL)
Clearly, the proper thing for everyone, whenever under oath, is the Hillary technique of stating:
I have no recollection of that
Any admission of anything under oath now disqualifies you from anything, and exposes you to perjury
The plot rule in romcoms is that the man must apologize after losing the girl to get her back. After a while it turns into an annoying feature, if you're a guy, because too formally predictable as coming. For women it's the whole point of the genre.
"An epidemic of infallibility"
I'm going to be charitable, Mr. Pappas, and assume your comment was an example of over-the-top sarcasm.
Chuck said, "Althouse, I don't honestly know if your fascination with Trump was driven by your personal animus toward both national political parties; was that it?"
I think Althouse's fascination with Trump is really fascination with others' fascination with Trump.
Chuck asked:
"What if Kavanaugh had said, "Oh yeah, we did some roughhousing when we were drinking at parties at Georgetown Prep. Mrs. Ford's memory might be accurate, although it is certainly overdramatized, and there is not another woman in the world who would or could credibly make a similar charge against me. My drunken behavior on one night 36 years ago was regrettable. It was probably excessive. I might have had something different to say, if I had been approached about this 30, or even 20, years ago. But I've never raped anybody, and no one will ever credibly claimed that I raped anybody..."
Sure, Kavanaugh could have stated that, but I think the result would have been catastrophic for him, whether he would be telling the truth in doing so, or just lying for the convenience of it. In either case, a flood of accusations would have come out, none of which Kavanaugh could then deny because, after all, he has "admitted" that the first one might be true. Whether or not Ford is telling the truth, Kavanaugh denying it categorically is the only sane thing he could do.
Trump is simultaneously fascinating and repellent. The smart person's way to skate the edge of this nexus is to focus on the reaction of others to Trump. I'm fascinated by how he makes his opponents self destruct, to be sure. Never seen anything quite like it before. I never watched him on TV or followed him much before his run into politics.
Ann would agree that a "feeling" that X is true does not make it more likely than not that "x" is true. Such a feeling is not evidence given the standard legal definition of "evidence". So Ann has no evidence for her belief that Ford's story is more likely true than not. She has only a "feeling" that compels her belief. As for the cause of her "feeling", it must lie somewhere deep in her psyche.
"I was influenced by the words he said, which wasn't that he believed her, but a report of his observation of her emotional state"
So: a man's report on his wife's emotional state outweighs the denial of four supposed witnesses, and the inconsistencies and vagueness of the actual claim.
I don't harp on it to vent against Althouse, but because she is a leading indicator: if someone as otherwise rational can't call BS on the BS, it shows the Dems can go all out and women's mere accusations will suffice to destroy men.
Normally, of course, she, a law professor!, would question the actual evidence, or lack thereof, the motivation of the accuser, the partisan approach in bringing the accusation, the stereotypically feminine but unfeminist appeal to emotionalism, the weight of witness testimony against the accuser, the transparent politics of it all, and consider the weight of dozens of testimonials on Kavanaugh's behalf, the facts of an exemplary record, the hundreds of opinions in major cases showing a rational mind at work, the laughability of the evidence-free smear that he looks so perfect he must have a dark side, and so on and so forth. But no.
So "gender politics" will mess with more than our minds for much longer, and not wholesomely.
Sometimes intellectualizing yourself into the lynch mob later requires intellectualizing yourself out of the lynch mob.
As long as you personally didn't hold a torch or a pitchfork: all good.
I am Laslo.
Kavanaugh is vulnerable precisely because he's presented himself as good all the way through. Any hint of a stain wrecks his purity.
Yeah, that's what it is. Same thing woulda happened to any photogenic pol with a lovely family, a great speaking voice, and a career that included all the right schools who was the subject of even a fantastical and unverifiable allegation of "stain".
Yancy Ward said, "Whether or not Ford is telling the truth, Kavanaugh denying it categorically is the only sane thing he could do."
Yes. With a lynch mob chasing you, niceties like the truth won't save your life.
Sometimes a wine stained, cream-colored carpet is evidence of vandalism.
“. What has Trump really done that's so bad?, I ask myself from time to time. There are so many stupid things, like saying a hurricane is tremendously wet.”
Wow. You really have abandoned rationality. That’s some seriously absurd shit.
Yeah, that's what it is. Same thing woulda happened to any photogenic pol with a lovely family, a great speaking voice, and a career that included all the right schools who was the subject of even a fantastical and unverifiable allegation of "stain".
The difference is 'will the Press (and Althouse) cover for you, yes/no'.
If it is a Republican like GWB, no.
If it is Barak snorting more cocaine than Tony Montana, it's an amusing and honest self reflective quirk.
Only Democrats are allowed to be flawed.
Can't wait to see some of that 'Cruel Neutrality' directed Leftwards. Bueller. Bueller.
Kavanaugh is vulnerable precisely because he's presented himself as good all the way through. Any hint of a stain wrecks his purity.
There was moral purity coincident with conception, but that innocence is selectively shredded shortly thereafter. Given secular ethics, it's amazing that men and women still strive.
The letter being shelved until the last minutes, not released to the public, and the moronic jockeying about how to testify leads me to think she doesn't come off as a reliable witness.
As in, "Crazy Cat Lady" material.
Kavanaugh doesn't say he never drank in high school. He doesn't say he's never had premarital sex, or casual sex, or never broke a girls' heart or used a girl for sex. He doesn't say any of those things. He says he never did this. And for that, he is accused of bland, flat denials or holding himself out as too perfect.
Kavanaugh is vulnerable precisely because he's presented himself as good all the way through
He has not.
Her reason to lie is the same reason that Fienstein publicized the unsubstantiated letter at this time: a last ditch effort to derail Trump's pick, whoever that was. There would be other last second allegations for other nominees.
Ford, a Democratic activist, is "sacrificing" herself for the Party.
Althouse stated that the evidence against Ford's credibility is of a low bar but Ford's completely uncorroborated accusation is "closer" to the "truth". Therefore the premise Althouse makes is we should believe Ford and that Kavanaugh should not be confirmed to serve on the Supreme Court. So why stop at SCOTUS level? If Kavanaugh is unfit to serve on the Supreme Court why would he be fit to serve on any court? And if he is unfit to serve on any court any other male who is as "perfect" than Kavanaugh is also unfit to serve as a jurist on any level and indeed to serve in any legislative position. The inference Althouse is making is that if Kavanaugh was a decent man he would "man up" and admit his faults and crimes. And then withdraw from nomination and resign from the bench. We can't have a "perfect" man on the court even though the bar for "perfection" is rather low : no criminal background, no history of alcoholism or drug addiction or gambling addiction. No history of spousal abuse or abuse of woman or child abuse or animal cruelty, no history of bankruptcies or civil frauds or cheating on exams. In short, we can exclude the majority of all living men from consideration.
"I don't harp on it to vent against Althouse, but because she is a leading indicator: if someone as otherwise rational can't call BS on the BS, it shows the Dems can go all out and women's mere accusations will suffice to destroy men."
I think Althouse has tried to stimulate debate and to get people to examine their assumptions. I suspect that has been part of her teaching arsenal for many years.
She has provoked a lot of anger for understandable reasons. There is a very deep sense that the Democrats and the Feminist Left are hijacking the judicial nominating process with extraordinary cynicism. The liars are trying to take advantage of the reasonableness (and often ignorance and/or inattention) of the American public.
Some of the anger directed at her needs to be directed at the perpetrators. Nonetheless, Althouse needs to realize that she has (perhaps inadvertently) provoked this anger by appearing to give mild support to this scripted hoax.
I don't know exactly why that sunk in and affected me in a different way than other things I've read, but it was certainly not that he's saying he believes her. He didn't even say that, and I don't know for sure if he even does believe her.
Perhaps it sunk in because when it comes to Roe v. Wade you lose your “cruel neutrality,” apparently without realizing it? Just a guess.
On the other hand, to give Althouse some slack, Kavanaugh seems just too good to be true - perfect scholar, perfect athlete, perfect coach, perfect husband, perfect father and perfect jurist.
Out in the real world there really are people who are, if not perfect, then awesomely good. Byron White was an All-American halfback, runner up for the Heisman Trophy, two-time All-Pro, earned two Bronze Stars in the Pacific Theater of WWII, and at the time he retired the longest-serving Associste Justice of the Supreme Court.
But Kavanaugh’s “perfection” that annoys Althouse so much is a smoke screen. Kavanaugh doesn’t have to be perfect (perhaps he made a bad substitution in the fourth quarter of a critical game) — he just has to be innocent of this smear. Which he is, beyond any REASONABLE doubt.
Now, if she's not damned close to the truth, she's bad for speaking up at all and Dianne Feinstein, et al. are horrible political hacks for putting us through this (unless they are gullible fools). But once CBF spoke up, BK should not have denied everything if something had happened, and his truthfulness is in issue in deciding whether to confirm him.
But what if she’s NOT “damned close to the truth”? We already know that Dianne Feinstein, “et. al.” really are horrible political hacks. Then you say that “BK should not have denied everything if something had happened ...” So what would have pleased you, Althouse, if Prof. Ford really is a bad person and Feinstein and her fellow Democrats are — as they appear to be — political hacks. If the episode never happened, Althouse, then WHAT SHOULD KAVANAUGH HAVE DONE that would have pleased you?
Do her allegations say something about a golf course?
At least one of the versions of Ford’s story placed the party in a house near Congressional Country Club. Congressional has been used for PGA events, and, famously, was a favorite course for Presidents Eisenhower and Obama.
So, why do I know — beyond all shadow of a reasonable doubt — that Christine Blasey Ford is lying? Glad you asked.
1) We know that she is lying about her fear of being in a confined space. She had an internship at the University of Hawaii. To get from California to Hawaii requires as much time in the air as California to Dulles Airport. She is a Democrat activist who has reportedly attended events in DC. Did she drive then? A train is only slightly less enclosed than an airplane fuselage.
2) Women commenting on this blog and others, and who have genuinely gone suffered rape and sexual assaults call Bullshit on Ford’s story. They have every detail steered into their memories.
3) She wriggled away from a varsity football player who had her pinned down? Uh-huh. Suuuuure.
4) She named three people who were there, and all deny that any such thing happened. Two of them, Mark Judge and Patrick (“PJ”) Smyth say no such thing ever happened. Well, they were and perhaps still are, friends of Brett Kavanaugh. But Leland Keyser was Ford’s friend and classmate, and she says the same thing.
Ann Althouse, you have been played. Or you played yourself.
There is nothing inadvertent about it.
And her trying to cause folks to question their preconceived notions starts and stops on the right. There are not two edges to her Scalpel of Cruel Neutrality.
And the professor is a LAW professor?
Good Lord.
Just to be clear and honest: What Keyser said is SHE doesn't know Kavanaugh and SHE never saw him at any of the parties SHE attended, nor was she aware that Ford ever knew Kavanaugh.
But we are all bit players in other people's lives so it is POSSIBLE that Ford knew Kavanaugh and went to a party with him and Keyser would not know it.
But what this does establish is that there was not this automatic 'social mixing' of the two groups as broadly as Ford characterizes them, or that Kavanaugh was so incredibly well known that Ford would automatically be able to identify him as opposed to 'random dude at a party who assaulted me'.
FORD, which Althouse keeps forgetting, has the burden of proof. And so far, there aren't any struts under that edifice.
One thing that's clear is that this thing has thrown you off your game, Althouse.
"I'm using the legal definition, and I used to teach the law school course Evidence, so I know what I'm doing."
That sounds like something from a know-it-all on a sports smack board. We know who you are. You don't need cite your unquestioned authority to justify your odd take on the situation. It's beneath you.
Get your shit together.
I thought that this was good: How to 'Christine Blasey Ford-Proof' Your Son. Esp this:
Mothers of sons everywhere should be terrified by the constant destruction of men by duplicitous, lying women and an overzealous and political Senate confirmation process. All a scheming broad has to do these days is claim that your son touched her inappropriately more than two decades ago and she can derail his career. Worse, if your son ever happens to end up in front of the Senate, U.S. senators may drive his wife to suicide. The Senate confirmation hearing for Miguel Estrada, a Bush choice, was so stressful that Estrada's wife had a miscarriage, developed a drinking problem, and overdosed on pills and died, according to The New Yorker.
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4. Don't trust women
Sorry to say it, but my sex offends and horrifies me. Between Stormy Daniels and Ford, women are a disgrace. Contrary to the saccharine platitude that "women don't lie," women lie all the time. They lie like crazy. The younger they are, the more they lie and scheme. It's probably the rage of hormones and insecurity that contribute to it, but most women lie and scheme. Teach your sons to search out morally upstanding girls and to avoid drama queens. The religious ones are usually better. Stay very far away from party girls and girls who use drugs or drink underage. Those girls are momentarily fun, but ultimately trouble. Teach him to stay away from those girls.
Even if a man does all these things there's no guarantee some lying hussy won't try to screw up his life over a romantic poem, but it should help to give him evidence with which to fight back.
The professor is a liberal in a liberal town with a liberal university. Her gut instincts are liberal. She tries hard to be fair. Does a much better job of being fair than 99% of liberals. She deserves a lot of praise for those efforts.
But in the end, her gut is liberal. And this is all her comment really is. She's admitting that. And she has mis-characterized Kavanaugh because it fits her gut.
Give her some credit for recognizing that her gut isn't rational. It's liberal.
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Trump is simultaneously fascinating and repellent. The smart person's way to skate the edge of this nexus is to focus on the reaction of others to Trump.
Trumps behavior that is not the problem. Reaction to his behavior is the problem. It is always "something bad is going to happen, eventually" World War Three. Massive inflation. Roe vWade. Incarceration... something terrible, someday.
I have thought a lot about how her husband saying she was so distraught that it made the Professor feel Ford was closer to the truth, but I just can't see it.
Most distraught people I have encountered have seemed to be going off on tangents that are even farther from the truth. Perhaps my experiences are more singular and there are coolly, truthful distraught people.
In my experience, strong emotions cloud reason. Your mileage may vary.
Ann Althouse quoted walk don't run:
"On the other hand, to give Althouse some slack, Kavanaugh seems just too good to be true - perfect scholar, perfect athlete, perfect coach, perfect husband, perfect father and perfect jurist. I wish he seemed more human with some failings and frailties like the rest of us. I don’t think Althouse likes or trusts that and that perfection strangely makes him less trustworthy in her eyes."
This still seems like a variant of the left's aversion to wholesomeness and virtue. Not quite like the hatred of people like Martha Stewart or Kathie Lee Gifford, but I sense some bias...maybe not trusting the public persona vs. the persona out of the spotlight.
“But we are all bit players in other people's lives so it is POSSIBLE that Ford knew Kavanaugh and went to a party with him and Keyser would not know it.”
I would expect that she at least knew of him, even if she didn’t actually know him. Their respective prep schools apparently partied a lot together, and him being an upper class star athlete would make him someone that most of the girls at her school would probably at least known about (and may explain why she might have been confused by a look alike of his, if that were the case). But her being an underclass girl may have meant that he didn’t even know of her. Or not unless she had a reputation for putting out.
Via Tucker Carlson Tonight
Here are the basic facts about it. According to the original schedule most of us assumed was real two weeks ago the Senate should have already voted on the nomination by now and Kavanaugh almost certainly would have been confirmed. He had the numbers. And then the wrinkle.
Democrats leaked the name of Christine Ford to the press. Ford alleges that sometime back in high school, about 36 years ago, Kavanaugh jumped on her at a party and groped her over her clothes. She’s provided very few details including when and where it allegedly happened. Kavanaugh has denied the story entirely and so has the other person Ford said was present, a man named Mark Judge. That’s pretty much what we know.
In order to know more, we’re going to need to hear from Christine Ford. But both sides once agreed on that because it’s obvious she should have a chance to speak. Everyone thought that was a good idea. It was a consensus view. Republicans in the Senate asked for her to testify this week, she refused.
They offered to send a staff to her house in California to take her testimony privately and she refused that too. Finally, they asked her to testify this coming Monday, she said she won’t but she won’t explain why she won’t. Ford’s attorneys now say she’s willing to explain herself in the Senate next Thursday.
Thursday is a significant date in this story.
Because of Senate rules which are complex, if Ford testifies next Thursday the vote on Kavanaugh will be pushed back at least another week. In this environment that very well means – forever. His nomination will be over.
And so will any Trump nomination to the court.
There is no time before the midterms for the White House to introduce and vet a new candidate. Democrats will have prevented the president from filling this vacancy. We’ll have just eight justices for the foreseeable future. And probably until there is another Democratic president.
You may have voted for Trump in hope that he would put reasonable people on the Supreme Court. But TOUGH!
Now, no doubt that McConnell, Grassley, and the entire Republican caucus in the Senate is also aware of this.
The problem is, too many Republicans in power seem far too willing to believe the BS polling they’re being given regarding the mood of the country when it comes to Kavanaugh’s nomination and Ford’s allegations.
Beyond that, a Supreme Court nominee should not be based on internal or external polling. It is the prerogative of the President to nominate whomever he chooses. It is then the prerogative of the Senate to consent or not.
In this case, non-consent would be based not on substantial evidence that the nominee is tainted legally, but on the mere allegations of wrongdoing — and on Democrats’ oft-stated strategy to do whatever they can to kill off Kavanaugh’s nomination.
This entire ordeal with Ford seems like that strategy is being played out.
The question is, why are Republicans playing along?
"Give her some credit for recognizing that her gut isn't rational. It's liberal."
Yes. She is certainly allowed that.
What disappoints me is that Althouse seems to be falling for a scripted hoax targeting well meaning liberals. I have hopes for them, but none for the SJW Left. They are driving this travesty.
When more "evidence" appears, maybe she will pleasantly surprise us. I certainly hope so.
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