September 23, 2018

"I've got to admit that if I had to say right now, who is more likely to be telling us what is closer to the truth — no stakes, no burden of proof, just who is more likely — I'd have to say her."

I wrote in the comments to a post that linked to a WaPo article and simply quoted Christine Blasely Ford's husband.

He'd said, "Her mind-set was, 'I’ve got this terrible secret.... What am I going to do with this secret?' She was like, 'I can’t deal with this. If he becomes the nominee, then I’m moving to another country. I cannot live in this country if he’s in the Supreme Court'... She wanted out."

I've reflected on why that quote tipped me to have the thought quoted in the post title and to want to reveal that. I've challenged myself: Am I a tool of the patriarchy? The husband says something, and now I believe?!

But I don't believe. I don't take anything at face value. I blog from a position I call "cruel neutrality," and I begin, always, with the prosaic awareness that people don't say everything they think, that they may sometimes outright lie but also almost always shape their telling of the truth, and that memory isn't a video recording that can be played but a mysterious process of the human brain, and that we are all blessedly human.

So I'll forgive all the commenters who misread what I wrote and fought me over the idea they got in their head when they read what I wrote. And let me quote a few commenters who were closer to getting what I was saying.

Henry said:
I've got to admit that if I had to say right now, who is more likely to be telling us what is closer to the truth — no stakes, no burden of proof, just who is more likely — I'd have to say her.

Your key phrase is "closer to".

Kavanaugh's problem is that he can't admit to anything. The most innocuous story will be seen as proof of her most serious allegations. "Closer to" could be "I was at a party and tripped and knocked her over and it was pretty embarrassing." That's closer to her story than "I have never done anything like what the accuser describes -- to her or to anyone" but it's still a long long long long way from "I'm an unsuccessful rapist."
Francisco D said:
I am going to give Althouse the benefit of the doubt.

She feels that Christine Blasey Ford is more likely telling the truth.

Althouse is describing an emotional reaction, nothing more. She is not indicating how she has processed the available evidence and what her thoughts on the matter are.
Walk don't run begins with something that isn't close to describing me at all, because it's about performing the role of juror after all the evidence has been presented, when I specifically hypothesized a requirement to suddenly answer a question when there has been no comprehensive presentation of evidence. At a trial, a burden of proof would apply and a defendant would be facing the consequence of a deprivation of liberty. That's not my hypothetical situation.

Anyway, here's how walk don't run begins:
I was a juror in a rape case some years ago. The case should never have never have been brought to court it had so many holes in it. During the deliberations that took a couple of days I outlined 7 aspects of the case that provided reasonable doubt. All of us agreed except one female juror who insisted that she had to convict the accused. Her explanation was that she had been raped and could not find her way not to convict the accused. The facts did not matter to her. It was all an understandable emotion. I think something similar is going on with Althouse.
But I see that walk don't run only says he/she thinks "something similar" is going on with me. It may be similar, but it's also different. I would never abuse the role of juror in a real legal proceeding. The question with Kavanaugh is whether he should be confirmed to a lifetime position as Supreme Court Justice, but even that is outside my hypothetical because that is what is at stake, and I said I'm telling you what I feel without regard to the stakes, and I'm only saying what I think is more likely.

Notice that I could have gone on to examine what I would do if there were never any more evidence than there is right now and it were my job to vote whether or not to confirm Kavanaugh. Nothing in my statement would prevent me from adding that I thought — given all the other evidence of his excellence and good character and the absence of other negative reports — what we've heard about what he may have done when he was 17 and his possibly false denials are not enough to justify a no vote.

Anyway, walk don't run goes on to say:
On the other hand, to give Althouse some slack, Kavanaugh seems just too good to be true - perfect scholar, perfect athlete, perfect coach, perfect husband, perfect father and perfect jurist. I wish he seemed more human with some failings and frailties like the rest of us. I don’t think Althouse likes or trusts that and that perfection strangely makes him less trustworthy in her eyes.
Yes, that's what I wanted to quote. Kavanaugh is vulnerable precisely because he's presented himself as good all the way through. Any hint of a stain wrecks his purity. He's the opposite of the man who nominated him, who's a crazy tie-dye pattern of stains. Nothing shows on that man. It's so annoying to his antagonists, who keep adding to the stain pattern and making it even harder to see any new problem. What has Trump really done that's so bad?, I ask myself from time to time. There are so many stupid things, like saying a hurricane is tremendously wet. I have trouble remembering what (if anything!) is supposed to be so awful. But with the wonderful paragon Kavanaugh, the accusation stands out like a red wine spill on the cream-colored carpet.

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FIDO said...

Keyser said she didn't know him. She ran in the same circles as Ford so Occam's Razor, which is sharper than the Scalpel of Cruel Neutrality, would suggest that Ford didn't know him either, and she reportedly NEVER mentioned him to Keyser's recollection.

But I suppose it is possible she knew he existed.


Now, being cruelly neutral myself, if your bestie suddenly ran into the 'Famous Joe Gland', how soon do you think she would call her best friend and mention this fact? The answer is 'as quick as it is to find her or find a phone'.

"Guess what party "I" just got invited too...?" It just trips off the female mentality of that Age and age.

So while Keyser is a ding against Ford's story, it is not a knock out blow.

(See, that is how cruel neutrality SHOULD work, not this liberal mess of a rationalization)

n.n said...

when it comes to Roe v. Wade you lose your “cruel neutrality,” apparently without realizing it

Also female chauvinism and political congruence ("="). That said, I don't think she is unaware, but given a hard problem, and internal biases, she picks her solutions. Where she is to be credited is her openness to discussion, and "cruel" neutrality, if not negotiation.

Bill Peschel said...

"So I'll forgive all the commenters who misread what I wrote and fought me over the idea they got in their head when they read what I wrote."

And I forgive you for not explaining clearly what you're thinking. Given that I'm not alone, what does that say about your writing ability?

FIDO said...

Given that I'm not alone, what does that say about your writing ability?


As Althouse has written frequently with great power and clarity, alas, it says quite a lot.

But if she blatantly came out wearing her Ancient Anita Hill "I believe her' tee shirt, what would that say to the presumption of 'cruel neutrality'.


So suddenly she is ambiguous. Hmm.

n.n said...

When more "evidence" appears, maybe she will pleasantly surprise us. I certainly hope so.

Or we will be unpleasantly disappointed. However, the available evidence and testimony serves to impeach Ford's credibility, and certainly does not rise to the level of probable cause that would justify further entertaining her allegation.

n.n said...

Althouse at Meadhouse, the thought provocateur.

FIDO said...

I don't mind that Althouse is biased. How could she not be? Raised by New Yorkers in her innocent phase of life? Surrounded by increasingly liberal and nuttier academics? 'As the twig is bent, so grows the tree.'

What gets me is the faux stance of objectivity on THIS issue. It isn't there and that many very intelligent posters come to the same conclusion (and not just the usual fire breathers) have noted the same thing is telling.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

What if he didn't simply attempt to rape her, but he actually did, but she was so wasted she didn't know, or forgot?

If he lived an admirable life ever since, as he seems to have, went and raped no more, I'd say confirm him. He belongs on the court, and she belongs in a lunatic asylum.

Ralph L said...

Nothing in my statement would prevent me from adding that I thought — given all the other evidence of his excellence and good character and the absence of other negative reports — what we've heard about what he may have done when he was 17 and his possibly false denials are not enough to justify a no vote.

Bet no one can't not unpack this sentence.

Unknown said...

This whole situation is tragic.

The timing, of course, is awful. Last second allegations are unfair. This is especially the case with respect to events that happened decades ago and are, by their nature, largely about credibility in the absence of physical evidence. That said, to completely reject them out of hand because they come late would be unwise, particularly when the candidate is proposed to sit on our highest court.

The venue is particularly poorly suited to getting at the truth about sexual assault. Those trying to make a judgment will necessarily be under tremendous pressure to view the evidence (or ignore it) on the basis of political views. It may be the case that politics always figured into Supreme Court nominations but, today, Senators are expected to vote along political views just as Supreme Court members are expected to do likewise. However naive, I regard this as tragic.

Without reciting the circumstances, I can well understand why a 15 year old girl, or boy, would not report an incident of the nature that Ford says she went through. This was tragic then. That it largely remains so is tragic now.

That, decades later, an adult would be very hesitant to reveal what they remember, and felt, about such an incident, is not surprising. One can view Ford's timing as either a natural reflection of such hesitancy or, as most comments here suggest, a highly suspicious circumstance. I incline towards the former point of view, in no little part because the comments here suggest why Ford's hesitancy was well-founded.

People who view these situations solely through the lens of their political views may disagree; that is their right.

For me, there is reason to believe Ford, despite the timing. I believe the accusation to be relevant to the consideration of Kavanaugh''s nomination. So too is his flat denial, as understandable as it is if he wants his nomination to survive. As unfair as it might be, if he gets on the Court, his reputation and efficacy may be tainted. This too is relevant. And tragic. And unnecessary. There are a great many highly qualified conservative judges who would not serve with such a cloud over their head. The wiser course, in my view, would be for him to withdraw his nomination on that basis alone, and for Republicans to put forth someone who is widely respected, conservative and has the potential to garner bipartisan support. If the nomination is treated solely as a vote for overturning Roe v. Wade, then of course bipartisan support is impossible. And that is tragic too.

Ray - SoCal said...

Chuck needs to look at his suggestion using an Alinsky Rules for Radicals viewpoint.

Plus read SJW Always Lie, available on Amazon through the Althouse portal and on KU.

If the nominee admits any guilt, or possibility of it, his nomination is dead.

SJW do this all the time with people that apologize, the sjw just double down. Tim Hunt, that uk biology professor / researcher with the Korean talk / women joke that’s career was destroyed. Sad world we live in.

FullMoon said...

"Guess what party "I" just got invited too...?" It just trips off the female mentality of that Age and age.

So while Keyser is a ding against Ford's story, it is not a knock out blow.

Everyone knows Keyser is the final 'participant' to deny the story. Less known, but mentioned here a few days ago, is that Ford recently emailed another close friend asking if she had mentioned the incident to her back in the day, or sinc.e The friend said "no. The friend felt bad for not being able to back her up. No doubt every other friend has been contacted. If any confirmed hearing of it, they may be a surprise witness. Whether telling the truth or not is another story.

Big Mike said...

What if he didn't simply attempt to rape her, but he actually did, but she was so wasted she didn't know, or forgot?

What if the sky is really purple, and we only think it’s pale blue?

Francisco D said...

"There are a great many highly qualified conservative judges who would not serve with such a cloud over their head. The wiser course, in my view, would be for him to withdraw his nomination on that basis alone, and for Republicans to put forth someone who is widely respected, conservative and has the potential to garner bipartisan support."

Do you have sons?

If this smear is allowed to derail Judge Kavanaugh's career, your son will be similarly vulnerable in the future.

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Jim at said...

So Trump is a bad man because of his less than perfect past, and Kavanagh is a bad man because of his perfect past?

Pretty much.

love johnson said...

Over the past several days I've seen a few talking heads and a few Dem Senators say "it's important that Dr. Ford testify and tell the American people her truth". I find the phrase "her truth" interesting. Not "the truth", but "her truth".

It's very possible that those 2 things are not the same.

readering said...

The weird part if this is that Kavanaugh should have a close friend who is not only placed at the location but who has since written extensively and critically about their terrible high school culture at ostensibly admirable institution.

readering said...

Trump is a bad man period.

Trumpit said...
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Achilles said...

readering said...
The weird part if this is that Kavanaugh should have a close friend who is not only placed at the location but who has since written extensively and critically about their terrible high school culture at ostensibly admirable institution.

What location?

When?

You people are not here in good faith.

Achilles said...

This is Ann’s attempt to pretend this fiasco is anything other than an obvious hack job.

Ray - SoCal said...

10 Reasons why the GOP Senators acting this way

1. Their majority is weak, and it only takes a few defections to lose this vote.

2. Fear of being branded a rape apologist.

3. Rumor is Flake is demanding that Ford be heard. May be a bit of payback to Trump.

4. Allowing Ford’s credibility to implode.

5. To allow the Democrats to overplay their hand.

6. To allow Trump, after the nomination, to go after the Democrats - Ellison and Menendez

7. To remove the excuse of Dem Red state Senators voting no, since they did not hear Ford’s side.

8. To motivate GOP voters by showing how crazy the Dems are.

9. To show men, and married women, and mothers of males, how anti men the Democrats are.

1]0. Mcconnell’s style is not confrontational, he’s not Harry Reid.

n.n said...

The basis for Pro-Choice/selective-child is a miscarriage of social justice that is founded on the the acceptance of cruel and unusual punishment, summary judgments (i.e. presumption of guilt), and the normalization of capital abortions, under a layer of privacy, no less. If there is any possibility that a judge would uphold The Constitution and assert human rights, then it's in the best interest of social progress that he admits his guilt and refuse the nomination. That said, Kavanaugh is clearly not viable, and the warlock trial should progress... proceed.

readering said...

Number 10 is funny.

campy said...

withdraw his nomination on that basis alone, and for Republicans to put forth someone who is widely respected, conservative

There is no conservative who would not draw the Ford treatment.

If it's okay to punch a nazi, and it's okay (for a professor!) to whack a nazi on the head with his bike lock, then it's certainly okay to "embellish the truth" a bit to keep a nazi out of power.

Michael K said...

Blogger readering said...
The weird part if this is that Kavanaugh should have a close friend who is not only placed at the location but who has since written extensively and critically about their terrible high school culture at ostensibly admirable institution.


That's why Ford chose him. She knew about his book and that he went to Georgetown Prep.

There is zero evidence for any of her allegations.

I realize you are a Democrat and evidence doesn't matter because Feelings.

Unknown said...

"Do you have sons?

If this smear is allowed to derail Judge Kavanaugh's career, your son will be similarly vulnerable in the future."

I do have grown sons. That I think I raised them well does not protect them from belated allegations of wrongful conduct, true or untrue. As a parent, all I can do is hope that they have behaved as I raised them to and that, where they did not, that they were honest about it and did their best to make amends and fly right in the future. The presence or absence of Kavanaugh situations will not change that.

Likewise, if I had daughters, nothing would prevent their revelations of being assaulted from being dismissed as "smears."

As a society, I hope that some day, these problems are far less common because people are taught from the beginning to treat each other with respect and because, when they do not, those who are harmed feel safe to disclose their harm and receive timely support to recover as best they can.

bgates said...

The wiser course, in my view, would be for him to withdraw his nomination on that basis alone, and for Republicans to put forth someone who is widely respected, conservative and has the potential to garner bipartisan support.

Since that would not be possible due to Democrat intransigence, a surer route to a nominee with bipartisan support is for every Democrat in the Senate to resign; once most of them are replaced by Republican governors or electorates, Kavanaugh can be confirmed as a widely respected conservative with bipartisan support.

Michael K said...

There are a great many highly qualified conservative judges who would not serve with such a cloud over their head. The wiser course, in my view, would be for him to withdraw his nomination on that basis alone, and for Republicans to put forth someone who is widely respected,

You can't possibly be that naive. There is NO Republican that would satisfy Democrats . They have said so.

Michael said...

Althouse wrote: "I do think something happened to her and that she knew and had some experiences with Kavanaugh when they were in high school, and that's closer to the truth than his bland flat denials."

"something happened to her" . OK
"she knew...Kavanaugh" OK
"and had some experiences with Kavanaugh" . What kind of "experiences?"

So to say he was not at a party with her at which he tried to rape her is a "bland flat denial?"

I read your mouthful of rationalizations and must say I have no idea what you meant other than you feel he is guilty.

n.n said...

They will hold a warlock or witch trial for any judge who threatens to uphold The Constitution and recognize civil rights away from the Twilight fringe. Sacrificing a judge who has been deemed nonviable will not satiate their hunger and will only temporarily allay their demands.

Francisco D said...

"As a society, I hope that some day, these problems are far less common because people are taught from the beginning to treat each other with respect and because, when they do not, those who are harmed feel safe to disclose their harm and receive timely support to recover as best they can."

Which problem is common? Is it sexual assault or false smears?

There is plenty of evidence for the latter and none (so far) for the former in the Kavanaugh situation.

It seems like you are trying to create a "fair minded" compromise, but your biased assumptions completely negate your argument.

n.n said...

Diversity denies individual dignity. Pro-Choice/selective-child debases human life. Warlock trials (e.g. penumbric allegations, presumptions of guilt) are a violation of civil rights.

Michael K said...

I read your mouthful of rationalizations and must say I have no idea what you meant other than you feel he is guilty.

Me, too. I guess this is the professional female rationalization.

I was just at my grandson's baseball game. His mother is a very successful marketing type. She works from home. Her company keeps wanting her to move to Chicago and she says no. Now, she is getting asked to work weekends and 16 hour days.

She is also getting no credit from the female CEO. She told me that every woman above her in the company hierarchy is either single or has no children.

She is looking for another job. She makes several times what her husband, my son, does as a fireman.

This Kavanaugh thing is a tell about women working.

Trumpit said...

I obtained a copy of Kavanaugh's opening remarks to the Senate Judiciary Committee on the rape accusation for this Thursday:

Senators:

At the outset, I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Chrissy Lewinsky Ford. I was tempted because I had lust in my heart and beer in my belly. I've looked on a lot of women with lust and had committed adultery in my heart many times. It should not surprise you; Trump chose me for being so much like him NOT his staid sister Judge Maryanne Trump Barry.

I never told anybody to lie. Not a single time. Never. I do all my own lying. These allegations are false. Frat boys will be frat boys. And I need to go back to work for the American people screwing the little guy mercilessly. Only the little people pay taxes. That's the way it should be in this surfdom known as America. Thank you, Senators for putting your trust in me. I promise you, you won't be sorry.

Stephen A. Meigs said...

It does seem like approving a Supreme Court nomination should be based more on intuition and feeling about the character, beliefs, and fitness of the nominee than on whatever evidence can be assessed rationally. In a court of law the punishment meted out against the accused is of greater consequence to him and of less consequence to others than it is the case with rewarding Cavanaugh with a Supreme Court seat. If it were normal in criminal proceedings for defendants to be judged largely by how the jury feels about him or his alleged crime, criminals would excessively evolve over the generations to be able to fool juries. It's intrinsically difficult to fool juries about very convincing "factual" evidence, and so there is less chance of criminals evolving to be able to do that. (Still, juries could and do occasionally get fooled into believing falsities are obvious facts.) But there is very little evolutionary force encouraging people like Cavanaugh into being able to fool people as to what his character is when being nominated for important national government positions--the rewards of being something like a Supreme Court Justice are fairly small and such nominations happen infrequently--we need not be afraid of relying on feelings (assuming they are sober) there.

It seems like people are better at judging character in the opposite sex--the importance of such decisions in mating probably caused people to have evolved thus. So if Althouse's intuition is that Kavanaugh has something about him that suggests he did what he did, that is interesting and something for people to take into account. Males I would expect to be better (on average) at judging Kavanaugh's accuser. Fake piety is something I think females might especially be able to pick up in male. Sympathy, sadness, piety, holiness--they are all emotions that I believe males use to attract females (my theory is they all have a similar effect in discouraging crossover during spermatogenesis, which crossover tends to hurt prospective female mates on average). I'm not entirely clear on how females differentiate between such emotions and the corresponding impostor emotions, but it seems like they are pretty good at it. Piety I define as the crossover-discouraging emotion that males have when they are confident that they are especially morally good by nature. Fake piety is a flaw whether it's a matter of the male overestimating to himself the extent of his moral goodness or whether it's just him pretending to a pious emotion that he knows he doesn't have. The former sort of deception, involving self deception, seems tied up with what is called nowadays depression, which makes me think (some) males have various degrees of self-destruct tendencies against it, though both sorts of attempts at deception are fairly uncommon, probably, at least when carried to extremes.

Ralph L said...

Excellent list, Ray, but you forgot 11, all of the above.

Francisco D said...

"It does seem like approving a Supreme Court nomination should be based more on intuition and feeling about the character, beliefs, and fitness of the nominee than on whatever evidence can be assessed rationally."

That is certainly how Democrats present their rationale.

This exercise is not about persuading them to abandon their putative intuitive feelings, but to convince Republicans and Independents that a rational, evidence process is appropriate for the SCOTUS.

I really hope you are not a lawyer.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

who thinks Kavanaugh is 'too good to be true'?

I would believe him if he said he doesnt have any bad habits

gbarto said...

Actually, the person who has done the most to make me think Kavanaugh is perfect is Trump. Own goal?

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

A song for the occasion

mockturtle said...

It seems like people are better at judging character in the opposite sex

If this is the case, why do so many women choose bad partners?

MaxedOutMama said...

Ann Althouse wrote: "But once CBF spoke up, BK should not have denied everything if something had happened, and his truthfulness is in issue in deciding whether to confirm him."

I concede that truthfulness may be an issue in deciding whether to confirm him, but your contention clearly stated in the beginning of the comment is that you believe that "something happened". Except there is no evidence that something happened, and you are missing the elephant in the middle of the Senate floor, which is that when two individuals' testimony conflicts, evidence of lying by one of them is very important in assessing credibility. Your evidence is your feeling. The others that the accuser lists as having been present deny the story, and the girlfriend (who cannot possibly be blamed and therefore should be the most objective) says that she was never at such a party. Any person capable of the smallest objectivity would now have to weigh matters in Kavanaugh's favor. You, however, are locked in a maze of circuitous logic that always leads back around to the conclusion that Kavanaugh is wrong.

You are only proving your own bias here. I repeat what I wrote yesterday. This is anti-feminism. If your standard prevails, men must adopt the Southern black man's rule, which is that the accusation is fatal so allowing the opportunity for the accusation is a fatal error. This obviously hurts women's career opportunities badly.

Look, Ann, I deeply admire you. I think you are a great person. But you have an obvious blind spot here, and it is a blind spot that is causing you to be terribly wrong, to damage women's prospects and standing in society, and to advocate a standard which would set us back more than a century. And yes, you are a law professor, and you should be aware of the dangers inherent in this thinking.

Among the red flags extant in the lady's account is that she did not tell anyone. She describes the encounter as being so forceful that she wondered whether she would survive it. And then she does not warn her girlfriends? Not even remotely plausible! I graduated from high school in 79. Believe me, we all knew that women could get raped, that being alone with a group of drunken males could be dangerous, and we all knew about boys who had ever "stepped over the line" with one of us in our group. There is no way she would not have warned at least her friends. This woman was a girl from a privileged background and she would not have let this go by.

You should have picked up the fallacy in the Rolling Stones story at the end, when the supposed victim, who has been raped on broken glass for hours by multiple men, meets her friends and they don't want to take her for medical treatment because it will hurt them in Rush? REALLY? But you didn't. Your brain, normally so reliable, shorts out when confronted by such situations.

I can only say that I still admire you, but you terrify me. You and all women like you. You are the danger here - not the men. You are the problem. Not Kavanaugh. The standard you are advocating is the lethal one.

Men have some natural advantages aside from upper body strength, and one of them is that they are biologically primed to set up rules FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GROUP. Everything you have written in this sequence of posts on the Kavanaugh accusation, your failure to be able to detect your blind spot, and the behavior of the Dems is actually strong evidence that women should perhaps not be judges on the highest court of the land.

You are relating to the woman here, reflexively defending the putative victim, and ignoring every possible workable standard, which is what the law must be about. It makes for terrible law, terrible cultures, and terrible societies. I find it shocking in a law professor.

I am very serious about this issue. The abyss is before us. I find it very personally painful that a woman like you wants to guide us into the chasm.

FullMoon said...

Among the red flags extant in the lady's account is that she did not tell anyone. She describes the encounter as being so forceful that she wondered whether she would survive it. And then she does not warn her girlfriends?

Ford emailed at least one one life long friend to ask if Ford had mentioned it to her at the time, or in all these years. The friend has publicly said no.

Not beyond reason to think she has contacted everyone she knew during that time period. If anybody answered in the affirmative, it will be another last minute revelation 'requiring investigation'.

n.n said...

Althouse is burdened by a misstatement that may have been committed as an oversight or indicate a larger body of truth obscured by the [alleged] witnesses and absence of physical evidence.

Stephen A. Meigs said...


If this is the case, why do so many women choose bad partners?


Most of the time it's probably a matter of the woman not caring much about good character, e.g., because she is rather bad and cares mostly about money and status. If on average people can't judge character in mates, morality has no chance of evolving. The only evolutionary advantage of being an unselfish person is that the fact of being that sort of person causes others to see the truth that you are by nature that sort of person and in consequence they want to love you more. By definition unselfish acts harm oneself (but not necessarily an unselfish nature).

Unselfishness is most likely to evolve in the mating sphere, because as long as love is especially there, sensitivity in judging character will especially tend to be associated with (unselfish) morality, and sensitivity in judging moral character is fairly easy to judge directly by seeing how the other person understands your own character, which furnishes a somewhat cheatproof indirect test of moral character. Indeed, if a person gets fooled into loving unselfishly a person not worthy of it, this is evidence of the insensitivity of the former, and if the love results in more mutual children (as tends to be the case when the most important love is toward mates), then what immoral people will have a very hard time selfishly getting by fooling prospective mates as to their moral virtue is children who are sensitive when it comes to judging moral character. But more children (and grandchildren, etc.) is precisely the reward of being loved unselfishly in the mating sphere. If a moral person rightly judges a mate as worthy of love, then the mate will gain more children, who will in fact probably be good at judging moral character since both parents are likely to be thus sensitive and moral.

Occasionally good females (and males) do get fooled about the moral tendencies of their mates or about what sort of mate is good, but it's excessively cynical to think this typical. And were it typical, everything would be pretty hopeless anyway.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Maxed Out Mama is on fire.

dbp said...

"...the accusation stands out like a red wine spill on the cream-colored carpet."

I couldn't help but think of these carpet commercials, where a woman in heels and an evening gown dashes across the room to catch some stain making food that is in the act of falling onto her new carpet.

Video

Francisco D said...

MaxedOutMama,

That was very powerful.

I hope Althouse responds.

rhhardin said...

Althouse is doing, and holding out for, the place of woman-thinking. It applies in a neighborhood, and involves only details.

Imagine you're hiring Kavanaugh as a chauffeur, he has great recommendations, but a lady says he attacked her as a kid, with no evidence or backup. The woman of the house may want to pass on Kavanaugh, because who can tell and why take chances. Kavanaugh can then simply get a job elsewhere as a chauffeur, and the woman is happy to have reasoned it all out, with a chemical calculation, of what's best for her family.

That doesn't work when the important thing is the system. The woman doesn't need a system and so doesn't break it in a neighborhood, but a nation needs one. Her procedure breaks the system. Any nomination can be blocked under this as a new rule.

Guys see the system problem first, women see it last or not at all.

The woman's reasoning is correct, just only in a neighborhood-sized thing. Althouse is arguing that it's correct. She's missing that it doesn't matter if it's correct in a neighborhood-sized system. The whole nation stops if she uses it.

Unknown said...

In reply to the comment from Francisco D. "[w]hich problem is common? Is it sexual assault or false smears?," sexual assault is far more prevalent than false smears, even with respect to reported assaults. There are notable exceptions; sadly, that is why they are notable.

With respect to his comment "[t]here is plenty of evidence for the latter and none (so far) for the former in the Kavanaugh situation," if you regard Ford's statements in her letter and to her therapist and husband as "no evidence," we will have to agree to disagree.

Finally, as to the comment "[i]t seems like you are trying to create a "fair minded" compromise, but your biased assumptions completely negate your argument," I'll just quote Paul Simon's lyric: "One man's ceiling is another man's floor."




The Godfather said...

I assume that @Althouse must have taught law school classes that included consideration of criminal procedure; certainly she took such courses in law school. So I am surprised, shocked really, that she would publish a statement that she is more inclined to believe Ford's allegations than Kavenaugh's denials. Ford has not, so far as I know, testified about her allegations under oath. She has not been cross-examined even by a Senator. Neither has Kavanaugh. To draw even a tentative conclusion isn't "cruel neutrality", it's prejudice.

I endorse the comments of MaxedOutMama (4:11pm).

Francisco D said...

" if you regard Ford's statements in her letter and to her therapist and husband as "no evidence," we will have to agree to disagree."

Her 30 years late statements provide no evidence. She made no contemporaneous statements.

Anyone can say anything they want at any given time. That is not evidence. It's an assertion and a very dubious one at that.

Is her claim that the therapist transcribed what she said incorrectly a bit problematic for you?

Her husband backs her, but none of her reported witnesses back her.

There is absolutely no evidence, no matter how hard you try to manufacture it. It was a pretty weak effort on your part.

Bilwick said...

I find a much more helpful rule of thumb is: "What do 'liberals' believe?" If "liberals," the Stupidest People on the Planet--the dildocks who think the State is actually their best friend, and that the more power the State has, the better off we'll all be--believe X, Y and Z, you can pretty much be guaranteed that X and Y will turn out to be complete moonshine, and Z will be a deliberate lie.

Achilles said...

MOM said...

I am very serious about this issue. The abyss is before us. I find it very personally painful that a woman like you wants to guide us into the chasm.

Exactly.

Ann either doesn’t know or doesn’t care what the effects of this episode will have on our society.

It is too late for me. If someone I went to high school or college with wants to destroy me they can do so no matter how laughable the story they make up if Ann gets her way.

It is not too late my daughters and it is up to us to save them from people like Ann and the leftist shitheads trying to tear our country down.

Doug said...

The Whore of Amazon's thinking is what allowed all women to stay home and watch the men create the world - which the women will now demand to take over.

n.n said...

If they discover witnesses to support her allegations. If they uncover physical evidence to corroborate their testimony. If the allegations are narrowed to specify who, when, and where. If the interaction did not end once consent was withdrawn. If they can demonstrate a progression, then:

The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Then they can impeach Judge Kavanaugh. That is the only legal, legitimate remedy.

The Twilight Amendment (e.g. penumbras, social justice) is only relevant with respect to babies, diversity, and political congruence.

n.n said...

what allowed all women to stay home and watch the men create the world

Women stayed home to look after the household, raise the children, and even then only circumstantially. Life is long, couples set priorities, and support each other's ambitions.

Sebastian said...

"Guys see the system problem first, women see it last or not at all."

The fact that Althouse, the most reasonable and rational of liberals, evinces no concern for the system at all, but casually smears must-have a-a-dark-side Kavnaugh and believes told-her emotional-state-to-hubby Ford, tells you all you need to know.

As MaxedOutMama said, "you terrify me." #MeToo, to coin a phrase.

For now, the rest of us just watch and bitch from the sideline, waiting for the GOP to hold the fort.

But at some point we will have to decide what to do.

Doug said...

Women stayed home to look after the household, raise the children, and even then only circumstantially ... and watched while men created the world.

Anonymous said...

Francisco D:

MaxedOutMama,

That was very powerful.

I hope Althouse responds.


Second that.

Achilles said...

The wiser course, in my view, would be for him to withdraw his nomination on that basis alone, and for Republicans to put forth someone who is widely respected, conservative and has the potential to garner bipartisan support.

The wiser course and the only way to have a decent and well functioning high trust society is to prosecute Ford for making up an obvious bullshit story.

Additionally communications with her by lawyers and political operatives need to be subpoenaed and investigated for conspiracy to commit perjury and bear false witness.

Feinsten(China) has documents that are not being released that pertain to this investigation.

Additionally since democrats have decided attorney-client privilege doesn't exist anymore the attorney's of this woman should all be raided and we need to start looking for "donations" by wealthy leftists and charge these people with RICO violations.

Gahrie said...

The weird part if this is that Kavanaugh should have a close friend who is not only placed at the location but who has since written extensively and critically about their terrible high school culture

1) Apparently the culture at Ford's private school was worse, and could lead one to suspect that she was the sexual aggressor.

2) The culture at my school during the same time period was at least as bad as that at Kavanagh's. I suspect that this was true for most of us who were in high school at that time.

Ken B said...

This is what I call one of the rhhardin vindication threads. She cited thre witnesses, and all three contradict her. She told the therapist one version of the story (with no names), and now tells a substantially different one. The first we hear of this memory is when she is in a stressful situation, couples counseling. We do not know what techniques were used during that counseling. She claims to have have a fear of flying, but also appears to have traveled to Hawaii quite often. She has tried to impose unreasonable conditions before agreeing — deigning? — to testify.

I don’t know the truth. I know that only prejudice can lead you to think her the more credible based on what we know now.

Rhhardin, vindicated.

FullMoon said...

Opinion:
Ford's lawyers are prepping surprise witnesses.

Ken B said...

Bill Peschel
AA is usually clear and precise. So it says nothing about her ability. It might say a lot about her “neutrality “ and judgment.

Ken B said...

FullMoon
Very likely. And they won’t even need to hold up to scrutiny.

Francisco D said...

"Additionally communications with her by lawyers and political operatives need to be subpoenaed and investigated for conspiracy to commit perjury and bear false witness."

Yes. That bears repeating. I have rarely felt this passionate about an issue, but it greatly offends my sense of intellectual honesty and moral decency.

As an aside, I watched Tiger Woods press conference. I was never a fan, but it was extremely touching. This man persevered in the face of injuries and terrible personal decisions. Maybe Althouse should reflect on her provocative statements in that vein.

Ann, I hope you are working on a response to the comments made by your loyal followers. Your credibility is at risk.

FullMoon said...

DRUDGE:


Insiders claim Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer are set to report a late twist in Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation... MORE...
NEW YORKER to publish account of a new woman and a 'dildo'...
She is 'Never Trump', says a source. But best friend will say 'She never told me!'... Developing...

n.n said...

Women stayed home to look after the household, raise the children, and even then only circumstantially ... and watched while men created the world.

Women watched over matters closer to home, and each shared in the other's creation. It was and is a mutually beneficial and reciprocal relationship.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

"And the professor is a LAW professor?"

Thankfully not anymore, although the taxpayers will continue to shell out for her bloated pension until she dies. There are plenty of others just like her, and worse. Affirmative action puts some really incompetent people into teaching positions.

Maybe she wasn't as terrible at areas of evidence that weren't related to her twin pet causes of baby murder on demand and using the force of government to beat people into baking cakes for her son.

Sebastian said...

And now Judge K has supplied calendars for 1982.

Let's see what rationalizations and excuses Althouse comes up with this time.

"But if he did something bad, don't you think he left it out?"

"Who's to say he didn't secretly come back from vacation to grope and subordinate a poor girl?"

"If he was so meticulous about keeping a diary, he must have a dark side."

"But there's no emotion in them. Unlike Ford. She has shown emotion."

Gahrie said...

One image that came to mind during this post is Althouse dressed like a Sister of Silence, constantly demanding that Kavanaugh 'Confess!'.

She reminds me of Lysa Arryn.

MaxedOutMama said...

rhhardin @ 5:07 PM wrote:

"Guys see the system problem first, women see it last or not at all.

The woman's reasoning is correct, just only in a neighborhood-sized thing. Althouse is arguing that it's correct. She's missing that it doesn't matter if it's correct in a neighborhood-sized system. The whole nation stops if she uses it.


Exactly. That is a beautiful explanation of the problem. Believing and acting toward Ford as if it happened is correct in a caring-for-Ford situation, incorrect in a meting-out-justice situation.

I believe rhhardin is not exaggerating - the whole nation WILL stop if this type of thinking becomes the standard, and that is why I have decided to vote against every single Democratic candidate for the next two election cycles.

I am somewhat comforted to see many women recognizing the problem, as demonstrated here and in public forums such as the CNN group thingie:
https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/09/21/women-defend-brett-kavanaugh-to-cnn-shes-also-destroying-his-life/

Note also the further implication of the Althousian/Feinsteinish guilty-until-proven-innocent standard - if such a claim may be used to keep a man off the Supreme Court, then it is rather clear that any sitting male judge is vulnerable to similar blackmail-type claims while sitting on a court. The logical conclusion is that no man should be allowed to be a judge ever, because every one of them is vulnerable to blackmail. We cannot live with that.

In this context, it is not a matter of whom we personally believe. It is a matter of what the workable rules can be in such a situation. It's clear now that the gulf is not really political, and certainly not gender-based, but rather between two types of thinking - the systemic/functional and the personal/protective.

Note that I would be a lot more alert to such an accusation if it were raised against a person who would be in a guardian-type role with young people, such as a teacher in a boarding school. Exactly why I should care whether a judge did or did not grab a girl at 17 is not as clear to me - the details of the judge's rulings on the bench are a lot more germane. They do not have a lot of private exposure to vulnerable young females.

Ann, ask yourself what Scalia would say!

Rick said...

'I can’t deal with this. If he becomes the nominee, then I’m moving to another country. I cannot live in this country if he’s in the Supreme Court'... She wanted out."

So a statement made by tens of thousands of supposed liberals is now so extreme it can only have been triggered by trauma.

Are they even capable of considering their assertions before advancing them?

rhhardin said...

Althouse isn't doing anything wrong. She's just doing women's reasoning. The trick is to get her to see why it's not men's reasoning, and which context each works in and doesn't work in.

Men's reasoning doesn't work in the home. Women's reasoning doesn't work in the country.

Anonymous said...

Ken B: This is what I call one of the rhhardin vindication threads.

'Deed it is. (Alas.) Nicely put.


Unknown @1:28:

Your comment, despite it's temperate tone, is one of the craziest things I have ever read on this blog. Crazy in the sense of "utterly unmoored from reality; lost in an illusory narrative".

You have no grasp whatever of what's going on here, do you?

#YouTerrifyMe.

Doug said...

Women watched over matters closer to home, and each shared in the other's creation.
... And watched men create the world, at great personal risk to themselves, because that's what it takes to create a world, rather than a home with cute curtains.

Unknown said...

"The question is, why are Republicans playing along?"

The question after that is, how long will 80 million gun owners put up with this shit?

rhhardin said...

Feminism's mistake is polyandry. Every man is the husband. Rather than restricting women's reasoning to the home, the home is extended to everywhere.

Each man notices though that he's not the only one who's taking on caring for this wife. Every other man is her husband too and is taking on caring for her.

The man's instinct is to leave and find a more faithful woman. So no respect for the woman in thrall of that view is natural.

rhhardin said...

Every idiotic feminist demand can be made reasonable by narrowing its context to a home.

Sebastian said...

"I am somewhat comforted to see many women recognizing the problem."

Even by rh's theory, they should be able to: any of their fathers, husbands, and sons can be Forded.

Of course, professional feminists like Althouse, more invested in the "subordination" and "women's bodies" and "we must believe women cuz emotion" memes, won't care quite as much. The Dems are counting on them.

By the way, I'm claiming copyright on the term "Fording," as in "Borking," get it? I knew you would. You saw it here first, a few days ago. Just sayin'.

readering said...

That Emmy Awards opening joke got real for some people this week. Story up on New Yorker site.

rhhardin said...

The trick isn't seeing two movies, as Scott Adams claims, but in finding the moving part that changes one movie. Context, with feminism.

Big Mike said...

Look, Ann, I deeply admire you. I think you are a great person. But you have an obvious blind spot here, and it is a blind spot that is causing you to be terribly wrong, to damage women's prospects and standing in society, and to advocate a standard which would set us back more than a century. And yes, you are a law professor, and you should be aware of the dangers inherent in this thinking.

@MaxedOutMama, Althouse is retired. What makes you think she cares about women's prospects and standing in society? Drawing the ladder up behind oneself is standard procedure for the left of center.

readering said...

Some topics bring out nuttier comments than others from our oldwhitemale cohorts.

cronus titan said...

The new "allegation" somehow involves Michael Avenatti and a dildo. This is the state of our culture. The mind boggles.

cronus titan said...

@FullMoon, thanks for the link. That story is so obviously fake that it is stunning that Ronan Farrow would squander the credibility he built over the last few years. THey contacted just about everyone who lived in that dorm (about 100), all of whom say it never happened, except one who has a vague recollecting of hearing a rumor. THe false accuser, Ramirez, says she was too drunk to remember anything but has been able to piece together stray details through recovered memories over the past few days, more than 30 years later.

I know Althouse means well, but her brand of "cruel neutrality" encourages this craziness. Why not make insane accusations when "neutral arbiters" refuse to dispense with bullshit?

It's disheartening -- we may really be done as a country.

mockturtle said...

Francisco D:

MaxedOutMama,

That was very powerful.

I hope Althouse responds.


I'll 'third' that. I think MOM should get this post published somewhere. Women like Althouse are knee-jerk 'feminists' who don't really admire women who do succeed, not by whining but through actual accomplishment.

FullMoon said...

That story is so obviously fake that it is stunning that Ronan Farrow would squander the credibility he built over the last few years.

Everybody expected this. No surprise if another shows up, just in the nick of time.

Gk1 said...

When Kavanaugh is is confirmed, I hope he considers suing for slander to help future appointees. This so far has been a cost free enterprise to launch salacious charges at the last minute to provide "credibility" for other charges. If we don't stop this now this is the norm.

Stephen A. Meigs said...

I remember from my high school years in Maryland that Georgetown had a reputation for drinking. From internet it seems if you didn't turn 18 before July 1, 1982, you had to be 21 to drink in Maryland. While in DC, you could drink at 18 if your 18th birthday was before September 30, 1986. So from more-or-less 1982-1986, Maryland high schoolers could descend on DC in order to get alcohol easily if they knew someone just a little older willing to buy it for them, and college-aged kids in Maryland could mostly buy it themselves in the bars in Georgetown but not in Maryland. So Georgetown was probably quite a magnet in those years for young Marylanders seeking alcohol; all the young alcohol-desirous Marylanders may well have helped turn Georgetown into a place of concentrated sin during those years.

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Maydaygal45 said...

I am a woman who is so disappointed in you. How can you fall for this crap from the democrats. I thought you were smarter than this. My bad.

Gk1 said...

Can we have at least one accuser who wasn't blind drunk when these "incidents" happen? Is that too much to ask? Also would be nice if they had a witness instead of 3 named witnesses attesting nothing of the sort happened. Thanks.

readering said...

As Trump's favorite rally song goes ....

Trumpit said...



"The trick isn't seeing two movies, as Scott Adams claims, but in finding the moving part that changes one movie. Context, with feminism."

Can you explain what you wrote in standard English? And you think blacks are dumb.

walter said...

'He was fondling himself and he asked me to kiss it': Paula Jones recounts

Trumpit said...

"Ann, ask yourself what Scalia would say!"

It's fiery hot down here.

Richard said...

Et tu Althouse

Trumpit said...

The Republican party is the party of liars and thieves. No wonder they ascribe malicious motives to their numerous enemies. They think lying and stealing is the norm, so the Democrats must be up to no good because they are.

Ken B said...

Althouse is bullshitting. When challenged she insists she is using “evidence” in a technical sense and that it’s a low bar. Fine, but the she writes about “that Ed Whelan crap??” It might be crap but it is also by the standard she just used to bully a commenter, evidence. Evidence for the goose is evidence for the gander. But not when you are cruelly neutral I guess.

Ken B said...

Everyone should read MaxedOutMama at 4:11

Dude1394 said...

If kavanaugh is brought down by this junk, I'm thinking I will never vote for another woman.

FIDO said...

This is why Althouse specifically cites removing the stakes. 'Cruel Neutrality' if applied to 'stakes', would laugh and mock Althouses feelings. They are stupid, not evidence based and horribly damaging.

A 'cruel neutrality' is better to allow the POTENTIAL that one teenaged girl got groped without 'justice' than destroy a system which works for everyone.

But Feminist Althouse, who had not once mentioned Juanita Broderick in this context of 'justice seeking', will not let a smear for abortion pass unused.

So no stakes and the lie of cruel neutrality.

Dad29 said...

Well, Professor, perhaps "...it's closer to the truth" is borne out--in the negative--by this: https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/09/23/is-this-why-dems-wont-hand-the-letter-over-even-the-way-ford-submitted-her-letter-to-feinstein-is-shady-af/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

Or you can look up 18 USC 1001 all on your own. There's a REASON that Ford sent her accusation letter to her House rep, not to Feinstein.

It may be "closer to" the truth, but that criminal penalty for "close" has had its effect.

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