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153 comments:
The best thing about white people is they know that Jimmy is a nickname for James.
Oh, God, can we please just get past racism? Amen.
Cool - no one ever asks:
Down feather sleeveless vests, Bluegrass, Socrates (though they killed him) Hot Rods - almost anything, when they're cool.
Some just make an effort not to be cool. A real effort. Like comedians, trying to see who can tell the dirtiest joke. That's not necessarily the funniest one.
They miss the point. And no amount of talk about patriotism, from them, can change that.
Lighten up.
Slavery is a natural condition, just not in free markets.
You enslave your enemy instead of killing him. Win-win.
A slave in a free market contributes more to society working in his own interest than in working as a slave, which is the reversal.
The best thing about white people, from a black's perspective, is that they ARE the only culture to ultimately reject slavery as a natural condition.
fixed it for you!
SDaly said...
"The best thing about white people, from a black's perspective, is that they were the only culture to ultimately reject slavery as a natural condition."
While I'm pretty sure runaway slaves - including those leaping off ships into shark infested waters - were who grasped the concept of "freedom" (as Americans know it today) before most whites ever did, it is good such displays stirred *something* in whites, since no one had ever done what they were doing before, in the history of slavery, AND because they seem so resistant to such logic and consistency today. But is it their best quality? No. They resisted, fought, and died not to go there. It's good they did, but too many lives were ground up with their dawdling and exploitation. There's few good guys in the American history of slavery.
A white guy, unilaterally deciding what blacks appreciate most, is an example of why.
I don't want to watch the video. Can't help being intrigued by the "nipples" tag though. I'm relatively sure that not only white people have nipples, but you know, hey, I'm open to new information. Hopefully someone will toss an aside into the comments that will explain it. I want to know, and I want to know enough to type out this multiple sentence comment. Just not enough to watch the video.
They let you have college classes where they discuss killing all white people.
One reason for a lack of the money for burial expenses never mind inheritable wealth in low income communities both white and black is that most means-tested benefit programs require severe limits on personal savings and high implicit tax rates on earned income.
Less affluent blacks and whites moving out of that poverty trap due to a jobs boom is why Democrats view Trump as such a threat that must be countered with charges of racism to keep the Democrat coalition together.
The best thing about white people is that we shop at The Gap.
The best thing in the big picture and the small?
They pay for everything,
including the tip.
It's rather quaint that people still talk about "White" and "Black" people as if there is some significant difference.
Brings back to mind those days of relative innocence six months ago, before the Dark Sarcophagus was brought back to light.
Now, of course, the only important difference is between those who have partaken of the Red Liquid from the Dark Sarcophagus and those who have not.
But it is nice once in a while to pretend that things are not as they truly are.
Diversity - no two are alike. Even twins have their own personalities. Well, other than the color of their skin. A recognition that men and women are equal in rights and complementary in Nature. Tolerance of most orientations and behaviors when there isn't cause to reject them. Also, a conservation of principles that acknowledges individual dignity, intrinsic value, and inordinate worth. Obviously, there is room to strive... baby steps.
What's with the theme today? Is it Crack's birthday or something?
The best thing about white people is their Protestant Reformation that quickly determined all people needed to learn to read bibles and write in the common language; and that caused education to be given to all classes of men and women. The elite Nobility holdovers of the Roman Empire has not yet put that light out, try as they may. Hence Trump's populism.
It was mostly Africans who put Blacks into slavery. The Whites simply bought the product of the African industry of the time. An industry that continues there today, but Whites refuse to participate becuase it's immoral for them. They actually believe that Black lives matter.
Pasty white women.
I love pasty white women.
still talk about "White" and "Black" people as if there is some significant difference
Well, there is the color of our skin, but that has limited significance outside of aesthetic (e.g. attraction) interests. Otherwise, diversity is the not so subtle resuscitation of color judgments with the intent to construct color classes, suppress civil rights, and normalize discrimination of individuals. They did the same thing with fetuses, offspring, conventionally babies, and selective-child under the Pro-Choice doctrine.
The best thing about People who have NOT partaken of the Red Liquid from the Dark Sarcophagus is that they will probably not make me envy the dead if the win.
The worst thing about People who have NOT partaken of the Red Liquid from the Dark Sarcophagus is that they are not going to win.
The best thing about People who HAVE partaken of the Red Liquid from the Dark Sarcophagus is that if I help them implement their nefarious scheme, they will probably let me live in relative comfort (gruel twice a day, half roasted flesh of their sacrificial victims on high feast days) for as long as I am useful.
"It was mostly Africans who put Blacks into slavery. The Whites simply bought the product of the African industry of the time. An industry that continues there today, but Whites refuse to participate becuase it's immoral for them. They actually believe that Black lives matter."
Oh, for heaven's fucking sake!
It was mostly Africans who put Blacks into slavery
More salient is that at least half of Americans opposed the practice and sacrificed enormous blood and treasure to defeat it. Now we need to focus on assimilation and integration, and overcoming the rise of a-diversity politics.
Hey, watch the video! It's very charming.
Thanks Crack!
The down sleeveless vest is quite the fashion (mis?)statement.
It has nipples.
It was super rich black -- not white -- people who recently asked specifically by name that Tiffany Haddish be kept away from them.
Well, there is the color of our skin, but that has limited significance outside of aesthetic (e.g. attraction) interests.
No, it is the color of the eyes, not the skin, that counts. Eyes that look like dark red holes in the fabric of time and space -- that is the distinguishing mark of those who have partaken of the red juice from the dark sarcophagus.
still talk about "White" and "Black" people as if there is some significant difference
Well, there is the color of our skin, but that has limited significance outside of aesthetic
There are significant differences. There are differences when it comes to healthcare and disease, both behavioral and genetic. There are differences in I.Q. Most significantly of all there are differences in culture.
As we learn more about genetics, these differences are going to be even more significant, if unpleasant to think about and discuss.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...”Hey, watch the video! It's very charming.”
Just for you, I watched it. To each her own, I guess.
since no one had ever done what they were doing before, in the history of slavery,
???
What exactly did "they" (White people? Europeans?) do that had never been done before?
"What’s the best thing about white people?"
Trick question, along the lines of, "when did you stop beating your wife?".
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The best thing about white people is that they don't have to think there is a thing about being white people.
There are significant differences. There are differences when it comes to healthcare and disease, both behavioral and genetic. There are differences in I.Q. Most significantly of all there are differences in culture.
Pfft. These all are insignificant compared to the difference between those who HAVE drunk the red liquid from the dark sarcophagus, and those who have NOT.
The former have IQs many times those of the latter. The former have superhuman strength and resistance to disease. The culture of the former is incomprehensible to the latter, and the only thing we can understand of the former is their contempt for us and their determination to make us envy the dead.
Our only hope is that the former are not entirely invincible, as they have not yet partaken of the Cursed Ancient Egyptian Disease Cheese (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-17/worlds-oldest-cheese-discovered-in-ancient-egyptian-tomb/10133178)
Power and glory.
The disproportionate ability to conquer and overwhelm.
The anti-colonialists and such others are right as far as that goes.
They object to the results, the fact of domination.
But they are no good at all as to the how and why.
There are many books lamenting the results of colonialism, of conquest.
There are lots of academic departments devoted to these subjects.
I dont think there is a single one dedicated to the means by which this happened.
So tired of the skin color wars.
Get over it.
no one had ever done what they were doing before
The voice of the ahistorical.
No interest in this topic
The Crack Emcee said...
Down feather sleeveless vests, Bluegrass, Socrates (though they killed him) Hot Rods - almost anything, when they're cool.
Except for the vests, yeah.
And Grace Kelly.
Baroque music.
Allegri's Miserere.
The cathedral.
Stevie Ray Vaughn.
The automobile.
Etc. all down the technology front.
But definitely Grace Kelly.
The best thing about White people is that most of them don't consider themselves to be White people, just people.
"What’s the best thing about white people?"
Long and lean legs on the guys.
There are no US academic courses, for instance, that I know of, on the military history of your Indian wars, a technical analysis of these as a conflict, of economic-strategic input factors that led to one set of people taking other peoples lands and turning them into an irrelevant remnant.
In other words, it is absurd that so many obsess over lamenting the fact of defeat, while not bothering to learn how to win.
From "The Utility of White-Bashing" in the Atlantic. It was written in reaction to the NYT hiring the white-hating Asian writer, but it works generally as well:
In some instances, white-bashing can actually serve as a means of ascent, especially for Asian Americans. Embracing the culture of upper-white self-flagellation can spur avowedly enlightened whites to eagerly cheer on their Asian American comrades who show (abstract, faceless, numberless) lower-white people what for. And, simultaneously, it allows Asian Americans who use the discourse to position themselves as ethnic outsiders, including those who are comfortably enmeshed in elite circles.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-utility-of-white-bashing/566846/
There is no single popular work, for instance, that is a deep dive on how the British conquered India.
Or no modern one.
Ok, I watched the video, because I can't resist your sales pitch. I didn't find it as insulting as I assumed it would be, but I wouldn't go out of my way to say it was charming as such.
Not really sure I'm fully briefed on the concept of translucent nipples. Don't really think about men's nipples in any way. I guess some women's are paler than others, but I don't think black women's are any different are they? Some must be paler than others, right? Just a weird thing to be the first thing you think of when you think of white people. I guess this person's a comedian, so it was the first wacky thing she could come up with without a budget or a staff. She probably, was like, freckles? No, that's too cliched. Nipples! That's it.
"There are many books lamenting the results of colonialism, of conquest.
There are lots of academic departments devoted to these subjects.
I dont think there is a single one dedicated to the means by which this happened."
Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond addressed this in a persuasive way, at least as applied to the Americas.
Robert Cook said...
Oh, for heaven's fucking sake!
And around 2% of that product went to the US. There was an order of magnitude more slaves that remained in Africa. An order of magnitude more in Europe. An order of magnitude more in the Middle East.
One of the biggest contributions the US made to the history of slavery was being the First Nation to go to war against the progressive slave owners and force them to free their slaves.
The best thing about white people is you can’t lump them all together.
Most of us want black people to succeed and be prosperous and we are willing to fight the progressive plantation owners.
The best thing Crack and his people could do is recognize that and join us.
The best thing about white people is that we can all talk about such a question with Blacks and Whites, but there is good reason why Kimmel could never ask a White guest what's best about Blacks?
What's the best thing about people?
3 Ridiculous Questions with Tiffany Haddish
I'm sure they were.
Well, if we are all going to just vote, then here's my vote for the best thing about white people. I was going to go with the rule of law, calculus, the scientific method, universal human rights, indoor plumbing, refrigeration, you know the usual stuff, but nope, this is it. The desire to impress *this* is what led to the creation of all the rest of it.
https://www.walldevil.com/wallpapers/w04/119749-actress-karen-gillan-simple-background-women.jpg
""It was mostly Africans who put Blacks into slavery. The Whites simply bought the product of the African industry of the time. An industry that continues there today, but Whites refuse to participate becuase it's immoral for them. They actually believe that Black lives matter.""
"Oh, for heaven's fucking sake!
There are 4 points made:
1) It was Africans who captured and brought Blacks to ports to sell to Whites.
2) Slavery continues in Africa today.
3) Whites consider slavery immoral.
4) Black lives matter.
Which is it you disagree with?
Jared Diamond didn't, really.
He put out a lot of ideas, but did not explain, for instance, how Marchand took a half-dozen Frenchmen and 150 Senegalese through 6000 kilometers populated by hundreds of thousands of hostile and warlike people.
And this sort of thing was the actual mechanism of conquest, a small number of people showed up, and simply told a much larger number what to do. Its a bizarre thing, to step back a bit and consider the totality, when one examines so many very similar events in detail, that are common across so many terrains and cultures across the world.
This is a complex and curious thing, a matter of psychology, group dynamics, economics, technology (and surprisingly little of that), and ... well, I have no answer, and this after a lifetime of not just reading about it but observing it.
Buwaya wrote:
"I dont think there is a single one dedicated to the means by which this happened."
Might look at Prescott's History of the Conquest of Mexico, and History of the Conquest of Peru. Self assurance, cultural assurance, duplicity, decisiveness, and near-fabulous levels of courage.
What’s the best thing about white people?
The ribs. But you have to find a white person that's not too fat, but also not too athletic ( which toughens up the meat. ) Make sure you slow-cook them for at least 12 hours
I don't particularly like White people, but it's not just them. They did come up with some cool ideas, and brought the world together for better or worse.
My sisters and I are contributing equally to my mom's funeral.
That's my inheritance.
The best thing about white men is that we put up with all you other guys bitching about us and cursing us and we don't kill you.
We understand why you are so jealous. It's justified. We certainly aren't deluded enough to think that the rest of you assholes can keep up with us.
One joker in the Jared-Diamondish view of things is the interesting fact that Europes near neighbors proved remarkably tough opponents, while distant peoples folded at the lightest prod.
Morrocco for instance. Not technically advanced, it was extraordinarily effective at resisting Europeans. The Portuguese that, on the other side of the world, went through technologically advanced enemies like a hot knife through butter, lost a pan-European army there (Alcacer Quibir, 1578). Charles V, his semi-official adventurers conquering an empire with trivial numbers, failed repeatedly in Morrocco and on the Barbary coast, as at Algiers, 1541.
It goes on and on.
There is more of a library on Mexico than most other cases.
Hugh Thomas is encyclopedic, Prescott is more literary.
It is still a mystery.
Cortes managed to do what no Mexican could, to create, on his own, a mighty alliance of nations to take down the Aztecs.
One can assume that this is the result of a "great man". Great men do amazing things, for better or worse. But the trouble is that Cortes was not unique.
Everywhere in the history of the European colonial explosion there is a Cortes-figure. Or many of them, greater or lesser. Heck, I have an ancestor that did the Cortes-thing, in a scale model. Not Mexico, but five Philippine provinces, including a "siege of Tenochtitlan", a Moro cotta in his case.
Over and over, Cortes, and Cortes and Cortes.
ST, very sorry about your mother.
Blogger buwaya said...
One joker in the Jared-Diamondish view of things is the interesting fact that Europes near neighbors proved remarkably tough opponents, while distant peoples folded at the lightest prod.
Greg Cochran argues that Africa resisted the colonials because of diseases. America had been isolated for 10,000 years and infectious disease had been absent so long that immunity was low.
He points out that autoimmune diseases, like rheumatoid arthritis, is rare in the native population, Amerindians and Mexicans.
I knew a guy whose uncle invented the glue, and the method, used to attach the foil to chewing-gum wrapper paper. He was pretty white, but dunno about the actual uncle.
The best thing about being a white man is sleeping with hot black women.
My wife's uncle who is white, invented the cooker that Col. Sanders used to make KFC, while moonlighting as an engineer for GE.
Obviously moonlighting in the old GE Appliances plant in Louisville.
Signed,
Just another white ex-GE engineer
but there is good reason why Kimmel could never ask a White guest what's best about Blacks?
Why is that?
I dunno. Too much collectivism for me. Love your tribes people. And good luck repeating the 20th century.
What are the 3 best things about being named 'Tiffany'?
Is Engineering really the best thing about white people? Probably. But, there are "non-white" peoples who have good at it also. Engineering is what's best about all people.
I found it interesting (maybe charming) that Tiffany wasn't really all that interested in playing Jimmy's 'game' with that question.
buwaya said...
"There are no US academic courses, for instance, that I know of, on the military history of your Indian wars, a technical analysis of these as a conflict, of economic-strategic input factors that led to one set of people taking other peoples lands and turning them into an irrelevant remnant."
It's a fairly well-accepted idea in ecology that when different organisms compete for control of a resource, the one that uses the resource most efficiently ultimately wins.
It's just a joke, people.... Not a political statement
Vicki from Pasadena
Test Tube, that was the single best state on racial issues I've ever seen and I wish I'd come up with it. Well-crafted.
There are 4 points made:
1) It was Africans who captured and brought Blacks to ports to sell to Whites.
2) Slavery continues in Africa today.
3) Whites consider slavery immoral.
4) Black lives matter.
Which is it you disagree with?
I'd like to see the answer to that question myself.
More black kids escaping from whites.
It’s okay to be white.
What are the 3 best things about being named 'Tiffany'?
#1. Deducting heels and thongs as business expenses.
buwaya said...
"There are no US academic courses, for instance, that I know of, on the military history of your Indian wars,
Another book on my reading pile is a biography of Custer.
I suspect most modern books are apologies. I remember reading one years ago that had the details of Custer and Reno And Terry, but have forgotten the title.
Here is a very brief summary.
The best thing about white people is we invented Western Culture and the United States of America, a truly great country White people, mostly men, invented and built just about everything in America (and a lot of other places too).
"but there is good reason why Kimmel could never ask a White guest what's best about Blacks?"
"Why is that?"
He could ask it, but imagine answering it. There are plenty of great things about Blacks, but saying most of them would get you the Roseanne Barr treatment. I know that if I had a career as a celebrity, I would not agree to be asked that question, becuase even refusing to answer is gonna get you called a racist.
There are 4 points made:
1) It was Africans who captured and brought Blacks to ports to sell to Whites.
2) Slavery continues in Africa today.
3) Whites consider slavery immoral.
4) Black lives matter.
Which is it you disagree with?
I don't disagree with any of them. I disagree that those are the four most relevant points to be made.
In particular, regarding #1, if I pay a hit man to commit a murder, that does not in any way absolve me of my guilt for the murder. Had I not paid the hit man, the murder would not have taken place. ( My involvement also does not absolve the hit man of his guilt. )
The fact that many slaves were captured by blacks to be sold to whites does not absolve those whites of their guilt. Without the white buyers, there would be much less market for slaves, and therefore most of the Africans who were captured would never have been captured.
That was funny. That woman handled the ridiculous questions well.
"The fact that many slaves were captured by blacks to be sold to whites does not absolve those whites of their guilt."
True, but it seems to absolve the blacks who enslaved them, at least among the Ignorant.
"I suspect most modern books are apologies. "
There are modern books that deal in this or that conflict that aren't, but no real academic program on the conflict.
The North American Indians were unusually tactically gifted.
They were consistently highly effective against white soldiers, always punching above their weight. They were personally fearsome, were usually superior in small groups, and on occasion were able to put together highly capable small armies that could defeat what should have been technologically superior white troops. They were also always able to integrate white technology effectively, adopting horses and modern firearms, keeping up technologically as quickly or more so than the US Army.
The North American Indians failed mainly because they were afflicted by collapsing demographics. This was not an African or Asian problem. The Indian armies at the Wabash (1791) or Fallen Timbers (1794) could not be raised again, because, I believe, the tribes that formed them later dwindled so that such a concept became impossible. This dwindling is curious in itself.
Imagine what the Zulu, never short of numbers, could have done with Apache tactical skill and their ability, moreover, to integrate firearms into their tactics. There would have been more than one Isandhlwana, and very likely a never-conquered native polity today.
The Jared Diamond argument fails in the nitty gritty details of actual conflict. And conquest is a matter of winning wars, at least sufficiently well to deter conquerors, which does not always require technological parity.
...and therefore most of the Africans who were captured would never have been captured.
Actually, I need to plead ignorance here. I don't know what portion of the total slave market went to whites, and, since I don't feel like researching it at the moment, I will do the next best thing and make no claim about the proportions.
I will leave it at a significant number, on the order of the number of slaves sold to whites overall.
Victoria said...
It's just a joke, people.... Not a political statement
Vicki from Pasadena
If they didn’t have double standards they would have no standards at all.
According to Rassmussen, 36% of blacks approve of Trump.
Don't know if this is accurate, but I sure hope so. The more blacks leave the Democrat/welfare plantation, the better off they will be. They will gain leverage within the GOP party, which will help the party and help the country.
We will win Crack back!
When you stop to think about it, most of the great accomplishments of civilizationwere actually achieved by red haired people. The white race has been feeding off and claiming as their own the achievements of this small subset of white people for millennia. What has held back the advancement of other races is their lack of red haired people. Anyone who has taken even an introductory red haired studies course in college knows this.
Kevin said...
"Not really sure I'm fully briefed on the concept of translucent nipples."
White people can look like they have see-through skin. Blood vessels are visible.
People have a visceral repugnance to usury, i.e. the buying and selling of money, Mohammed and the early Church fathers were vehement in denouncing this as a sin. No such condemnations were extended towards slavery. Mohammed and Maimonides preached about the humane treatment of slaves but did not address the underlying issue of the humanity of owning slaves. It seems that people have come to the realization very late that buying and selling slaves is as inherently wrong as usury, incest, and cannibalism........John Knox was one of the founders of Scotch Presbyterianism. He was actually a galley slave for a year and half before ransoming. Afterwards, he didn't go on to become an abolitionist. I think he was more into keeping holy the Sabbath rather than freeing slaves. St. Patrick, too. He was a slave and, so far as I know, was not a fervent opponent of slavery...... The human race, with the odd exception of a few red haired people, is pretty stupid.
Blogger buwaya said...
"The North American Indians failed mainly because they were afflicted by collapsing demographics."
As I implied earlier, Europeans largely displaced North American Indians because the Europeans were able to produce much larger populations on a given amount of land. This was essentially a cultural matter, and it might be more accurate to say that European culture displaced North American Indian culture. Settled agriculture always displaces hunter-gatherers. Just as herdsman can often conquer city-dwellers, but are ultimately absorbed by them.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
"So tired of the skin color wars.
Get over it."
I don't know who that's directed at, but I'm trying to end it. This nation erected a statue to MLK on it's national mall, and made him a national and international hero. He told us what it meant to get the Promised Land. Let's wrap it up. Whites say "No" before they know anything - continuing a long tradition MLK or P.W. Botha would've recognized - and making it clear why reparations are warranted.
White people can look like they have see-through skin. Blood vessels are visible.
That's just us blue-bloods.
Achilles said...
"The best thing Crack and his people could do is recognize that and join us."
Nah, you guys seem to think there's a hazing clause, where we forget your historical cruelty and just sit back and listen to you abuse us, and criticize our families and friends, with less real understanding of them than a French villager has of a Wall Street tycoon. When you lie, here, about what motivates blacks to make the choices we do, that doesn't inspire anyone to join you - especially the way you package it - but just tells people you're of a past age no one wants a return to, or to be near, material wealth be damned. We need each other when you're not there. And you're not there. The word "justice" scares you, as it scared Jefferson, trembling. Because the hypocrisy is the same. You preach patriotism and individualism, dancing between the two until YOUR responsibility is to know one, and WE are marched off to war to prove to you how down we are.
I know a rigged game. I talk about them all-the-time. That's not what citizenship should amount to in America.
The Crack Emcee said...
"This nation erected a statue to MLK on it's national mall, and made him a national and international hero. He told us what it meant to get the Promised Land."
Wait. You want land grant colleges?
The fact that many slaves were captured by blacks to be sold to whites does not absolve those whites of their guilt. Without the white buyers, there would be much less market for slaves, and therefore most of the Africans who were captured would never have been captured.
Bullshit. The slaves would have just been sold to the Muslims instead. The Muslims bought millions more Africans for hundreds more years than the Europeans did.
Tank said...
"The best thing about white people is we invented Western Culture and the United States of America, a truly great country White people, mostly men, invented and built just about everything in America (and a lot of other places too)."
If only they were cool. Instead, Indians are alive and experiencing levels of grief almost unheard of outside of the old Soviet Union. And you don't care. Blacks know what's occurred here - and that black children HAVE to know. And you don't care. You're even proud off your not caring as you yell at everyone to get in line. OK, so you're not Nazis, big whoop. Whatever you're trying to be, an iPad made by a guy who died taking homeopathic concoctions ain't gonna cover it. You've squandered your predecessor's achievements on being jerks.
Now, Huck, where we goin'?
"Settled agriculture always displaces hunter-gatherers. "
Most North American Indians relied on settled agriculture.
Quite sophisticated in some ways.
This seems to have collapsed quite independently of European expansion.
It was not that the Europeans kicked the Indians off their agricultural land, but that the Indians just seem to have died off and left the land.
Also interesting is how Latin American Indians, biologically in the same boat with respect to Eurasian diseases, retained their agriculture, their villages, and recovered their numbers, across most of their old territory.
When Miguel Hidalgo raised the revolt of 1810 in Guanajuato, he gathered 100,000 mainly Indian peasants to follow him on his march on Mexico City. This from just a few Mexican provinces. In 1810 I doubt all the tribes of North America could have raised 100,000 warriors. This was the size of the army Cortes raised against Tenochtitlan in 1521.
Char Char Binks said...
"The fact that many slaves were captured by blacks to be sold to whites does not absolve those whites of their guilt."
True, but it seems to absolve the blacks who enslaved them, at least among the Ignorant.
I do NOT remember any Founding Fathers in Africa. No "All Men Are Created Equal" ideas. So only the people HERE were violating anything.
Is that ignorant enough for you?
The Crack Emcee said...
Tank said...
"The best thing about white people is we invented Western Culture and the United States of America, a truly great country White people, mostly men, invented and built just about everything in America (and a lot of other places too)."
If only they were cool. Instead, Indians are alive and experiencing levels of grief almost unheard of outside of the old Soviet Union. And you don't care. Blacks know what's occurred here - and that black children HAVE to know. And you don't care. You're even proud off your not caring as you yell at everyone to get in line. OK, so you're not Nazis, big whoop. Whatever you're trying to be, an iPad made by a guy who died taking homeopathic concoctions ain't gonna cover it. You've squandered your predecessor's achievements on being jerks.
Now, Huck, where we goin'?
You did not in any way respond to or address my actual comment.
Being called Huck is a great compliment. I accept it.
They taste like chicken.
The fact that many slaves were captured by blacks to be sold to whites does not absolve those whites of their guilt. Without the white buyers, there would be much less market for slaves, and therefore most of the Africans who were captured would never have been captured.
Of course not. Africans had no use for slaves--the Pyramids were all built by union labor.
Buwaya noted, "In 1810 I doubt all the tribes of North America could have raised 100,000 warriors."
It is worth mentioning or rementioning the role of smallpox. It had passed through Mexico down into Peru by the time the Spanish got there. In the early 1800s some explorers noted Plains Indians villages where the mortality was way over 90%. You could cite the lack of warriors, but also note the few left alive would be overwhelmed by death, by the inability to process the bodies, by the survivor guilt, the stunned eschatology when the great Spirit withdrew his blessing, the impossibility of mourning everyone you had known. By the time of the Little Bighorn they had rebuilt as warriors, but it was a 3-generation problem. And even then they could not outbreed the whites; the Comanche, for instance, could pretty much out-fight even texans on a warrior/warrior basis, but they didn't replace their losses well, while an endless stream of whites poured from the immigrant ships and the loins of the easterners.
Ralph L said...
White people can look like they have see-through skin. Blood vessels are visible.
"That's just us blue-bloods."
Come on. Vericose veins, broken blood vessels in the nose, blushing, blue and red veins in the arms and legs, redness from over-tanning, veins through the breasts and around the eyes, etc. Face it, man:
With whites, even if you took blacks out of the equation, the idea of a "Flesh-toned" band-aid was always going to be iffy.
Tank said...
"You did not in any way respond to or address my actual comment."
I didn't have to - it's just an opinion.
Blogger buwaya said...
Power and glory.
The disproportionate ability to conquer and overwhelm.
Sure, but it's something deeper that is the source of that power and glory. It's the freedom, independence and upward mobility of the blue collars. This results in trust, reliability and teamwork. The best ideas win and any lowly peon can be called upon to lead. You should try it some time, maybe then you wouldn't work so hard to convince some of the cucks on this blog to join your doom and gloom outlook that America is in civil war.
The best thing about white people is that they used to be nice enough to build comfy slave ships to bring Africans here. But they're not so nice anymore, so Africans are trying to paddle fucking inner tubes across the Atlantic to get here.
I'm probably wrong, but my reading of Crack's beef with "you people" is that in the campaign to end racial injustice, you have spiked the football on the 20-yardline and have given each other participation trophies.
I do NOT remember any Founding Fathers in Africa. No "All Men Are Created Equal" ideas. So only the people HERE were violating anything.
Is that ignorant enough for you?
Well it's apparently ignorant of the fact that slavery began in the colonies over 100 years before anyone started talking about "all men are created equal" and while slavery was legal everywhere in the world.
It was those evil racist White men that created the idea that slavery was evil.
I'm probably wrong, but my reading of Crack's beef with "you people" is that in the campaign to end racial injustice, you have spiked the football on the 20-yardline and have given each other participation trophies.
You are wrong. It's simply about the never ending quest for more free money.
The Crack Emcee said...
Tank said...
"You did not in any way respond to or address my actual comment."
I didn't have to - it's just an opinion.
If you are not going to respond to my comments, please do not quote them. I do not wish to be unnecessarily associated with you.
"making it clear why reparations are warranted."
More free stuff from someone who ought to recognize how that has devastated the blacks in this country.
The Crack Emcee said...
Achilles said...
"The best thing Crack and his people could do is recognize that and join us."
Nah, you guys seem to think there's a hazing clause, where we forget your historical cruelty
If we're guilty for what other white people did then you're guilty of murder. Be sure to comment again when you think that's justice and are ready to accept responsibility.
"Sure, but it's something deeper that is the source of that power and glory."
Indeed, this is a mysterious thing. One has to chase it in the details. The details don't yield answers very easily. Its easier to see the results than the process. Which is my problem with the academic approach to all this.
" It's the freedom, independence and upward mobility of the blue collars."
This is very glib. What was the freedom, etc. of your Portuguese or Spanish peasant in the 15th-16th century? And the conquistadors weren't peasants. They were mainly some sort of hidalgo - hijo de algo, son of something - impoverished gentry, generally, but something. Some of their men would have been peasants or sailors or suchlike, but not all. Bernal Diaz, for instance, was a bourgeois. But then other cultures had the same sorts of persons.
Re civil wars - that Europe that conquered all, also fought itself with indefatigable zeal, throughout the period. They fought each other in the colonies, in the New World.
Battle of Cartagena
We're honest loyal and hard-working.
Some interesting posts on factors driving the modern American conflict -
Structural-Demographic Theory
The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America
Coming Instability
The Ginkgo Model of Societal Crisis
Age of Discord
Reminiscent of Asimov's "Foundation" ideas.
Asimov's idea for "Foundation" was to take Gibbon and wrap his "Decline & Fall" in some trappings of statistical thermodynamics ("We can't know what any molecule will do, but given enough of them, we can say what will happen en masse"). I don't think he ever believed in "Psychohistory" any more than he belived in "positronic brains".
"I don't think he ever believed in "Psychohistory""
Of course he didn't, any more than he believed in sentient robots. Its an SF speculation.
Ignorance is Bliss said...
The fact that many slaves were captured by blacks to be sold to whites does not absolve those whites of their guilt. Without the white buyers, there would be much less market for slaves, and therefore most of the Africans who were captured would never have been captured.
You're right there. They would not have been captured, they would have been killed. They were worth more alive.
Interesting question. Would you rather be alive today because your ancestors were a marketable resource, or would you rather never have been born?
It's important to note, again, that many more slaves went to Sharialand than to North America. Their descendants don't riot and protest and demand equal rights. Because they don't exist.
Ignorance of the past doesn't bring bliss.
buwaya said...
"Most North American Indians relied on settled agriculture."
Some of them planted a little corn and tobacco. Nothing like what the Central Americans were up to.
"Also interesting is how Latin American Indians, biologically in the same boat with respect to Eurasian diseases, retained their agriculture, their villages, and recovered their numbers, across most of their old territory."
This is because, unlike the Northern Europeans who colonized North America, the Spanish didn't want to be farmers, they wanted to own haciendas. They were perfectly willing to have Indians do all the work, and unlike the North American tribes, the Latin American Indians were used to doing it.
Kimmel said yesterday the Colorado baker looks like a homo himself.
No wonder Althouse wants to showcase this genius.
This is because, unlike the Northern Europeans who colonized North America, the Spanish didn't want to be farmers, they wanted to own haciendas.
I think this is right and the Plains Indians were not farmers. They were hunter gatherers.
A few, the Zuni and the Hopi were farmers.
The point was, obviously, that Whites alive today are no more culpable than are Blacks alive today for slavery, unless you blame people born hundreds of years after the crime, which was not a crime at the time for either the Blacks or the Whites who jointly participated. If you do need to do that stupid blame game, then you better be Asian, or just shut up. You are just as guilty or not as your rules make the other guy.
I know I'm late to the game, but...
buwaya, Lawrence James did a decent treatment of the Brits in India with his "Raj:The Making and Unmaking of British India", and when combined with his "Rise and Fall of the British Empire" is quite satisfactory in handling British India. Toss in the history of the Company Army (by I forget whom - can't find it in my library, probably on loan) and you have a good picture.
Mike K. If you're hunting up Custer books, I would suggest 'A Terrible Glory" by James Donovan, and Greg Michno's "Lakota Noon: The Indian Narrative of Custer's Defeat". As for good old Reno, who is my homeboy, having a farm here in New Cumberland, PA, there is a biographical treatment of him, Brian Pohanka's "In Custer's Shadow", which I think is a fair depiction.
Mike K. If you're hunting up Custer books,
Thanks. It's one of a few on the pile.
Oops, I mucked up my author on Reno, it's Ronald Nichols, the forward is by Pohanka. I muffed the entry on my library database and just noticed when I pulled the volume.
I can't recommend "Lakota Noon" highly enough. The author has compiled a chronological account in 10 minute intervals, tracing the actions of the Native American's who recorded their deeds. I need to reread it myself, as my last note was almost 5 years ago.
Pre-Columbian native Americans were statistically more likely to die at the hands of one another than Europeans on Europeans at that time or since, including the murderous 20th Century. In other words, Europeans were not some new murderous group beyond anything they had seen. Disease was the difference. It wiped out 90% of them over hundreds of years between when Columbus arrived and the American colonies started, with actual interacial war killing a tiny percentage. It wasn't the White man that did it. It was his god, or you could say the native American god: nature.
I researched fatal encounters between Whites and Natives in North America during the American expansion west. There are lists of every battle and massacre both large and small, and they are all small by historic standards. It turns out that the score is about tied around 6,000 on each side. Natives killing Whites and Whites killing Natives. I wonder if anybody else knows this?
The Custer book I have is by TJ Stiles. I ordered the Lakota Moon book.
I can't remember the book I read years ago. The trouble with history books recently published is I'm afraid of getting a SJW version if the topic is controversial.
The reading stack is getting higher and higher.
I should spend less time here.
“I researched fatal encounters between Whites and Natives in North America during the American expansion west. There are lists of every battle and massacre both large and small, and they are all small by historic standards. It turns out that the score is about tied around 6,000 on each side. Natives killing Whites and Whites killing Natives. I wonder if anybody else knows this?”
Crow and Sauk indian blood was still fresh when my European forefathers hewed their village from Wisconsin bluffs. That’s the sort of original sin I relate to. So far as I know, none of my ancestors ever even lived in a slave State.
So far as I know, none of my ancestors ever even lived in a slave State.
The only time my ancestors spent in slave states was as soldiers in Grant and Shermans armies. One was killed at Vicksburg on May 22, 1863.
The other died of measles. It went through camps like meningitis does today. Or influenza in 1918.
The best thing about white people is that we are the apex predators superior to all other inferior races and supreme in God's temporal/earthly creation. I like to call it White Privilege.
bagoh20,
An interesting statistic might be the number of Natives who whacked other Natives. There were never really any shortages of Native Auxiliaries willing to accompany White troops against the various tribes. Custer had a number of Crow scouts who fell at the Big Horn. Also, numerous tribes had generations long feuds with each other. Think about the Cherokee and the Iroquois. The would have war parties travel hundreds of miles between NY and the Carolinas for the purpose of raiding each others villages in the 1600s. Everybody alive in the US; Native, Mexican and American hated the Apache. The noble savage myth should be put to bed already.
bagoh20,
sorry, missed your earlier post at 8:21. I believe you are entirely correct.
Blogger buwaya said...
There are no US academic courses, for instance, that I know of, on the military history of your Indian wars, a technical analysis of these as a conflict, of economic-strategic input factors that led to one set of people taking other peoples lands and turning them into an irrelevant remnant.
I spent many hung over Saturday mornings in the University Library reading old browned books about the indian wars. Sheridan, Sherman, Crook, Custer. The tactics were beguiling.
I like the "return land to the Mexicano/Indians" argument. Transfer of land title under Indian law was made by sale, barter, or conquest so the US is square. Do I return Arizona land to the Apache or the tribe the Apache stole it from? Honest title cannot derive from a criminal possession. The argument devolves to vacating title of the world in favor of the heirs of the primordial slugs that crawled from the Cambrian seas.
Unless we give title to the world to the genetic decedents of the Neanderthal and disenfranchise African Homo Sapiens you have no argument.
Slavery, the same. I am the decedent of Scottish slaves captured by the vikings and sold to the Arabs.
The Zuni and Hopi have the best claim to land and agriculture. The Apaches were the last group of immigrants from Siberia and were the most primitive. Even the Navajo were latecomers from Athabaska in Canada. They displaced the Zuni farmers.
The eastern tribes were far advanced, perhaps because they were farther from the original sites of the early arrivals. The south American tribes were probably the oldest to arrive and they may well have migrated down the Pacific coast along the ice sheet that blocked migration eastward.
This also may be why they had agriculture when the Plains Indians did not. The potato and quinine are from the south American Indians.
The Mexicans developed Maize/corn and tomatoes from wild species. The Isthmus of Panama blocked communication and exchange of plants varieties.
The Indians' susceptibility to alcohol is probably genetic and related to the absence of grains that could be fermented to pure alcohol. I believe there were forms of beer but they never evolved the metabolism to handle strong alcohol.
The best thing about white people is that they aren't black.
"I'm probably wrong, but my reading of Crack's beef with "you people" is that in the campaign to end racial injustice, you have spiked the football on the 20-yardline and have given each other participation trophies.:
What has to happen for a touchdown, Howard?
Please be specific. It's been a work in progress for over 50 years. we need some fresh insight.
none of my ancestors ever even lived in a slave State
All of mine were in NC or southern VA by the 1790 census, and some I know owned slaves until 1865.
I found out last week that one of my ancestors came to Virginia in 1610, before the first slave did in 1619. According to the fine print on an extended Washington family tree, his daughter married a first cousin of George's g-gfather, so I'm George's 4th cousin a couple dozen times removed. You may kowtow now.
Since some people seem to think that history began with the US a link to the "Timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom".
On another note, I see that TraditionalMoron is still going strong in doing what he does best.
gahrie said...
"It was those evil racist White men that created the idea that slavery was evil."
I think the slaves running away got the idea first.
Michael K said...
"More free stuff from someone who ought to recognize how that has devastated the blacks in this country."
Like I'm so bothered by blacks getting "free stuff". Like you're bothered about when blacks not only didn't get anything but everything was given to whites. Free land grabs? Did that "devastate" white folks?
Y'all are hypocritical head trips come to life.
Mountain Maven said...
"We're honest loyal and hard-working."
BWAAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Mountain Maven said...
"We're honest loyal and hard-working."
Of course - our fellow American citizens wouldn't trust us as far as they could throw us - but we're honest loyal and hard-working.
Varicose veins, broken blood vessels in the nose, blushing, blue and red veins in the arms and legs, redness from over-tanning, veins through the breasts and around the eyes, etc. Face it, man
Except for my perfect breasts, I've got all those and 4 skin cancer scars (this year's from my nose to the back of my lip), one skin graft on my wrist, ~30 moles removed (one melanoma), and over a dozen patches frozen on my face. I can't wear synthetics or sleep on poly-blend sheets, because if my skin stays damp, it itches and then disintegrates. Sometimes WASP skin is a bitch.
The Way West, by A.B. Guthrie, 1946. Won the Pulitzer, and deserved it. Kid from Kentucky leaves home & goes out West to become a mountain man a few years after the Louisiana Purchase. It is impossible to praise this book highly enough.
Harry Nilsson.
There, I said it.
White people. The cause of and solution to all of cracks problems.
Rusty said...
"White people. The cause of and solution to all of cracks problems."
I think that conflict, alone, is worth reparations. It's definitely not yours. You get to nip at my heels from the sidelines, free as a bird, an unencumbered American - Hell, Aretha Franklin didn't even get that. See, as long as you don't include the treatment of blacks, here, and whites hooking up with "Uncle Joe" Stalin to save their own white skin - it's amazing how y'all figure out how to get others to do what you take credit for - you can think of yourself as the good guy who valiantly saved the modern world and, thus, should be able to lecture us all - when whites did the same damned things coming up here and, probably, much, much worse.
Pass the bill to research reparations and get a little real respect for yourself. You're done.
The one real white racist I've ever known was a bore, because all he could talk about was Black people and how he was a white man.
Lewis Wetzel said...
"The one real white racist I've ever known was a bore, because all he could talk about was Black people and how he was a white man."
That had to be this guy, wasn't it? (I hate that guy)
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