From "Smart for our own good" by Kristen Roupenian. You remember Kristen Roupenian, she of "Cat Person."* The book under review is "Sharp: The women who made an art of having an opinion."
Roupenian's "dream version" of herself — what she pictured as she was growing up — had a particular mode of conversation ("drily witty, slightly abrasive"), a specified item of clothing ("a black turtleneck"), and a visualizable pile of books ("yellowed paperback copies of lesser-known works by Susan Sontag, Joan Didion and Hannah Arendt").
So what was your dream version of yourself? Even if you weren't, in your real youth, thinking in terms of a particular mode of conversation, a specified item or items of clothing and a visualizable pile of books, please play my little game. It's like Clue — Colonel Mustard in The Conservatory with the lead pipe.
Also, chez Meadhouse, we just had a long conversation about this:
Perhaps the finest moment in Sharp... is Dorothy Parker’s parodic takedown of F. Scott Fitzgerald:That's a great Twitter game. Maybe you won't play my "Dream Version" game because "Describe yourself like a male author would"** is too deliciously tempting. But my game is easier. Can't go wrong. How well do you think Dorothy Parker did at her parody? I thought the repetition of "nineteen year-old" was hilarious, but the really puzzling part is the point of view: "All that you could see of her" has a "you" standing somewhere, eyeing and judging the young woman, and "your" view was obscured by the side of the bathtub so that you could only see as far down her face as her eyes, and then in the next sentence, "you" could see her mouth. Is that Dorothy's lapse or is she skewering a foible of F. Scott's?
Rosalind rested her nineteen year-old elbows on her nineteen-year-old knees. All that you could see of her, above the polished sides of the nineteen-year-old bathtub, was her bobbed, curly hair and her disturbing gray eyes. A cigarette drooped lazily from the spoiled curves of her nineteen-year-old mouth.Yes, Parker anticipated the recent, scathing Twitter thread “Describe yourself like a male author would” by almost a hundred years.
And here's Nora Ephron's parody of Ayn Rand:
Twenty-five years ago, Howard Roark laughed. Standing naked at the edge of a cliff, his face painted, his hair the colour of a bright orange rind, his body a composition of straight, clean lines and angles, each curve breaking into smooth, clean planes, Howard Roark laughed.Hey: Describe yourself like a female author would. Another game.
Roupenian knocks "Sharp" as "essentially, of a series of positive reviews of well-respected writers":
[I]f everyone in your audience already agrees with what you’re saying in your essay, then writing it is a waste of time. In the case of Sharp, readers would have been pleasurably surprised to encounter the name of a writer whose inclusion felt even a little bit risky, even disagreeable: the aforementioned Ayn Rand, say, or Camille Paglia, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.Roupenian uses words like "well-respected," "risky," and "agrees"/"disagreeable" to stand in for any mention of politics or ideology. Was that active sanitation or really the way Roupenian thinks (that is, like an artist***? The latter, I hope.
In this sense, Sharp is a book that hasn’t learnt the lesson it tries to impart. It is disconcerting to read a book that focuses on so many women who pushed intellectual boundaries, yet which stays so squarely within the confines of conventional wisdom when it comes to the writers it chooses to assess.____________________
* Looking for a link about "Cat Person," I found, from last May, "Kristen Roupenian, author of Cat Person, is dating a woman." We got so excited about the story of a woman going through with having sex with a man when she didn't really want it. Roupenian said it was "strange to suddenly be the spokesperson for terrible straight sex."
** For a description of the origin of this meme, read "‘Describe Yourself Like a Male Author Would’ Is the Most Savage Twitter Thread in Ages/The challenge is a fierce indictment of what happens when you try to write a character you don’t respect or understand."
A male author is insisting that he is living proof that it's possible for a male author to write an authentic female protagonist.— Gwen C. Katz (@gwenckatz) March 30, 2018
Here's a quote from his first page. pic.twitter.com/f6d5bN2EHq
*** I always quote Oscar Wilde for this proposition: "Views are held by those who are not artists." It gives loft to my own aversion to politics.
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The subgenre is too women-centric. Catlady entertainment,
There's a series of lists that goes like this:
Books I have tried to give to my friends.
Books the used bookstore wouldn't accept.
Books no one bought at the library's used book sale.
Books left outside a Salvation Army collection bin. At night.
Books that recycle.
I couldn't imagine a more hellish exercise than trying to imagine how any author, male or female, might describe me physically.
"drily witty, slightly abrasive"
Human sandpaper.
How do you write women so well?
I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.
- As Good as It Gets (1997)
To me the book sounds like: I took my classnotes from a rather tedious Women's Studies course and whipped them into a rectangular object I think I might trick some of you kids into buying — maybe as a gift that will seem to say: 1. I think you're a smart woman, or 2. Here, here's something to read while you're crying over the Hillary Administration that didn't happen, or 3. How to Talk About Books You Haven't Read (so you don't have to feel ashamed anymore that your eyes were watching TV and not reading "Their Eyes Were Watching God").
If she had recommended Morison’s “United States Naval Operations in World War II” I would have thought her interesting and unusual.
Or Zane Grey.
""drily witty, slightly abrasive" Human sandpaper."
Drily gritty, slightly abusive.
"Books I have tried to give to my friends.
Books the used bookstore wouldn't accept.
Books no one bought at the library's used book sale.
Books left outside a Salvation Army collection bin. At night.
Books that recycle."
In Madison there's also, "Books I left in a neighbor's 'Little Library' box when no one was looking."
I didn't really see a future version of myself until halfway through undergrad school (at UW-Mad). I'd moved from computer science to archaeology, and was definitely seeing myself 20 years down the line as a professor wearing plain or pastel Oxford shirts with button-down collars, appearing on television documentaries.
That didn't happen for several reasons. I got the Ph.D. but ended up doing public health research and such, although I did spend several seasons working in Egypt and have been doing contract archaeology lately as well.
OTOH, I also saw myself being in excellent physical condition all of my life and my gym-rat lifestyle hath caused that to come true.
I don't want to speculate on how a woman author would describe me because it would probably be accurate and not something I would want to read.
The review isn’t any better than the books sounds.
Perpetual adolescence is just as common in women. This women needs to go put down the books, stop writing, and take a job at a gun range. She should work there everyday until she stops thinking of guns as phallic symbols.
And she needs to quit drinking. It has gotten here nowhere.
a man reading the Greek and Roman classics
I went through most of Aristotle, Plotinus, Lucretius, Cicero, Quintillian in the early 80s. It helps if they're saying something that you want to know about. Loeb library editions.
It's not about letting the prose wash over you.
""Describe yourself like a male author would"** is too deliciously tempting."
"a" male author: you mean, like Shakespeare or Flaubert or Tolstoy or Forster or Nabokov or Joyce or Mann or Cortazar or Hardy or Kundera or Vargas Llosa, like "a" male author like that?
As soon as a female author portrays men as memorably as male authors have portrayed women, the game will become really tempting.
Snark aside, and slightly OT: are there any great female writers who created great male characters? Time out for "research" on 100 best characters in fiction since 1900 . . . I see 3 candidates on the list: Atticus Finch, Harry Potter, and Newland Archer. One of these is indeed a great male character by a truly great writer--one of the all-time best.
Funny, I was just reading an old interview with Dorothy Parker yesterday. An interesting snip out of it:
"I’m a feminist, and God knows I’m loyal to my sex, and you must remember that from my very early days, when this city was scarcely safe from buffaloes, I was in the struggle for equal rights for women. But when we paraded through the catcalls of men and when we chained ourselves to lampposts to try to get our equality — dear child, we didn’t foresee those female writers."
My dream description of myself?
He has a slim build. His eyes are blue-gray, and he has a three inch vertical scar down his right cheek. His short, black hair falls into a comma over his right eye. He has a rather cruel mouth. He bears a resemblance to Hoagy Carmichael, but he has a distinct air of ruthlessness and danger.
I was really good at high school physics and later really good at computer programming, and stayed with those together as a play for pay hobby. No aspiring about it, it was always the present.
Slight detour at age 12 for ham radio, and age 16 for flying.
Never have I seen so clearly that my dream version of myself – the person I always assumed I would grow up to be – is a drily witty, slightly abrasive woman in a black turtleneck whose end table is stacked high with yellowed paperback copies of lesser-known works by Susan Sontag, Joan Didion and Hannah Arendt."
Generally, these kind of people are assholes in real life. Their "abrasive wit" is usually just nasty - failed wit. There's nothing worse than being around someone who *thinks* their unearned assumption of superiority is OK because of their snarky "wit".
It seems Dorothy Parker was like that too. She was a basketcase, and many people thought she was rude, nasty, and dull.
We could have a game of "Althouse or Fauxhouse?" You compare an actual Althouse post with someone writing LIKE Althouse, and then see who guesses correctly.....no looking in the archive!
'Describe Yourself Like a Male Author Would’ Is the Most Savage Twitter Thread in Ages/The challenge is a fierce indictment of what happens when you try to write a character you don’t respect or understand."
So is the idea that the male authors are writing about women whom they don't respect or understand? Because it sure sounds like the purpose of the twitter thread is for women to write as if they were writers whom they don't respect or understand.
BTW, my dream self when young was to be Hemingway, sports fishing by day, drinking by night, writing in the AM.
But then I found out I get sea sick, I can't write, and I don't like hard liquor.
So that dream died.
Book:
Who Is The Smart Guy?
It's You, Mr. Smartguy
(I Can Tell From Your Big Heavy Book That You Are Mr. Pile-Of-Brains)
By Dr. Supertyper
It's like Clue — Colonel Mustard in The Conservatory with the lead pipe.
Laslo in The Comments with a keyboard.
Dorothy Parker admitted that few of her Algonquin Roundtable comebacks were spontaneous. All the attendees composed their masterpieces in the weeks preceding the next session and tried to steer the conversation so they could pull them out. Sometimes attendees would conspire to keep that from happening, and some almost kicked over chairs leaving in a huff.
I think Parker is taking aim at the heroine of Bernice Bobs Her Hair. She's parodying a now lesser known Fitzgerald heroine. What's striking about Daisy Buchanan is not her youth but her wealth and languor. Daisy spends too long in the bath. She always looks fresh and clean and the bath ring is not a thing she ever notices. Women like Daisy look fresh and clean precisely because they never had to worry about bath tub rings. Her life is as fluffy and welcoming as the terrycloth robe she steps into after bath.
I would actively avoid Lillian Hellman and Pauline Kael. The ideal me--not the me I'm actually forced to inhabit--would like to have had a fling with Mary McCarthy or Hannah Arendt. A threesome would have been kind of cool.
"Hey: Describe yourself like a female author would. Another game."
Skippy Tisdale had a heart of gold and a dick as big as Christmas!
I didn't realize there was going to be homework on this blog.
Back to bed.
My mother was a librarian and that meant a lot of my youth going to the local public library, learning how to use the card catalog and Dewey Decimal System and otherwise finding books to read. I've read a lot of books, and only occasionally because they were popular with the type of people who might be impressed that I'd read them.
Sometimes by reading a book that was in that category I was rewarded, sometimes it was a waste of time. The time taken reading has been best spent on subjects (e.g. WWII Pacific submarine warfare) and authors (e.g. John Steinbeck) I enjoy.
"We could have a game of "Althouse or Fauxhouse?" You compare an actual Althouse post with someone writing LIKE Althouse..."
I'm amused the idea that someone out there tries to write like Althouse, but I'd like to encourage it, and I would read it if they did what "writing like Althouse" would mean to me. It would be following my approach to blogging, and that would necessarily be expressing yourself. You couldn't follow my interests picking out things to read and then saying in a natural, spontaneous way a few things that I think. Do the same thing with yourself, and I'd like that. Let me know if anyone else blogs like that. I never see it, but I probably gave up looking long ago.
I think of that Disraeli quote, "When I want to read a book, I write one."
It’s axiomatic that nobody can write authentically outside of their identity group.
@Skippy Tisdale
LOL.
So far, you are winning Game #3!
"So is the idea that the male authors are writing about women whom they don't respect or understand? Because it sure sounds like the purpose of the twitter thread is for women to write as if they were writers whom they don't respect or understand."
Yes, but the whole point of hypocrisy is to be hypocritical.
Rosalind rested her nineteen year-old elbows on her nineteen-year-old knees. All that you could see of her, above the polished sides of the nineteen-year-old bathtub, was her bobbed, curly hair and her disturbing gray eyes. A cigarette drooped lazily from the spoiled curves of her nineteen-year-old mouth.
Yeah, that really captures F. Scott Fitzgerald, doesn’t it? That would be a sarcastic rhetorical question. If that’s what she gets from reading Fitzgerald, maybe she is not as clever and perceptive as she thinks she is.
Why are men supposed to write female characters, but women are not required to describe a naval battle?
The only women I know of who could or would describe a naval engagement are Lois McMaster Bujold and C.J.Cherryh, and theirs are in outer space.
I like my "SHARP" with rifle in his hand fighting the French!
Fitzgerald was authentically describing women as experienced by men. If she thinks there is nothing to learn from reading it, now you know something about her.
"Her breasts entered the room before her far less interesting face, decidedly maternal hips and rounded thighs. He found her voice unpleasantly audible. As his gaze dropped from her mouth (still talking!) to her cleavage, he wondered why feminists were so angry all the time."
Wow! I know that chick!
"I would actively avoid Lillian Hellman and Pauline Kael. "
And you couldn't have a threesome either. More like a "2 1/2 some".
Kael was 4-11.
Over time, being slightly abrasive Rubs your partner the wrong way. Most of these women had disastrous relationships with abusive men. Causation vs correlation?......... Marry a beautiful woman who's a damn fool. Zelda gave it her best shot.
cant you see im reading big words
So what was your dream version of yourself?
Soft-spoken, refined serial killer of abrasive women in black turtleneck sweaters, the sort of women whose book stacks contain only authors carrying NYRB or New Yorker imprimaturs, and for whom snark passes for dry wit.
In dress, I am the last word in understated elegance in my exquisitely tailored clothes. I retire from my 30 year reign of homicidal terror in my native land to a modest but cozy crib in an entirely unfashionable but lovely and lovable small town somewhere in the Midi-Pyrenees, my library stocked with history books, the works of problematic canonical DWMs (in the original languages), ripping-yarn historical novels, and DVDs of classic Japanese cinema. I get away with all those murders, and die content after a charmed, if not unduly extended, old age.
Skippy Tisdale had a heart of gold and a dick as big as Christmas!
Sounds like Bret Harte to me.
*** I always quote Oscar Wilde for this proposition: "Views are held by those who are not artists."
....... Ah, yes, a perfect example of Wilde's penchant des absurdites amusant. 'Deep Thoughts' for the over-thinkers.
A little of her
Went a long way, and we had
A lot of her.
I would have used "as long as Hanukkah" just to get the Jewish flavor into it.
Nobody who truly understands women would ever write anything unflattering about any woman. That's a corollary of the Althouse Axiom.
One only experiences people from ones own point of view. It is neither right nor wrong.
That Ephron example is pretty good (although I haven't read Rand in a long, long time).
Tank writes well as a lawyer, but not in a creative way.
The voice: Stentorian.
The attire: Tweed Ulster coat, waterproof Norris boots.
The bedside table paraphernalia: Hints to Travellers, 9th Ed., Royal Geographical Society (1906), Steamship tickets to Bombay, Railway tickets to Mardan, Northwest Frontier Province, a letter from the Colonel of the Queen's Own Corps of Guides (Lumsden's), M1900 Browning Pistol and box of cartridges.
Tweed Ulster coat - I have this - well, a tweed coat anyway
Steamship tickets to Bombay - From experience, you may want to leave that coat at home.
M1900 Browning Pistol - I want one!
I'd like to see some of our creative types try to mimic Althouse. Seems hard to me, but, it's not my kind of thing so it would seem hard.
"... you may want to leave that coat at home." I will need it in the Pamirs. Only staying in Bombay for two days, en route to Mardan and then on into the mountains. Also on the table is a theodolite.
(Detective describes his secretary)
[Peggy] was twenty-nine, a Queens Irish spinster of the type I should call relentless, and unless she had lost her fleur while competing in the high hurdles as a parochial schoolgirl, she was yet in formidable possession of it. My theory was that Peggy believed her entering my [inner office] chamber might be construed as a suggestion, even though she carried a file of unpaid bills, that in reciprocation the temple of her body might be invaded.
Peggy had an elaborate pair of breasts, but quite near and flanking them was always, even on winter days when the heat invariably fled the corroded old radiators, crescents of sweat stains in the armpits of the oysterish or pale-beige blouses the doggedly favored. She had rather more ample hips than those that attract me most, yet a slacker behind, and withal plump calves, notwithstanding which she wore skirts which cleared the knee. Only under certain freakish conditions of light could her hair be seen as not absolutely black. I dote on pale blondes.
Her voice was off-putting as well. When she raised it she could loosen the hardened putty from the window-panes, and though sexually a prude she was coarsely candid about truly impolite functions. "Got to hit the can!" was her shout as preface to a visit down the hall...
- Who Is Teddy Villanova, Thomas Berger
I was under the impression that educated young people no longer believe that males and females differ in any significant way. Why, then, would it matter who is describing whom?
In my dream version of myself, I looked like Guy Williams (Disney's "Zorro") with the body and mind of Doc Savage. As Maxwell Smart used to say: "Missed it by THAT much!"
There are no lesser known editions of Joan Didion and Susan Sontag, the former because her authorial voice is modest and disciplined, the latter because she wrote only the well-trodden squibs picked up by flatterers.
And nobody born after the first World War is capable of understanding the lesser known works of Hannah Arendt, including Hannah Arendt.
I believe the writer is confusing Elizabeth Wurtzel with people who don't spend decades crouching in their in bathtubs trying the snort the porcelain finish off.
Also, Their Eyes Were Watching God was one of the few things I read in grad school that didn't bore, disappoint, or boggle me with inadequacy.
Think Dubliners. Or, As I Lay Dying. Not the sort of thing you pick up for the beach but well worth the trouble.
Today, women buy 90% of all fiction. It used to be less, but even in the 30s, 40s, and 50s - it was at least 60% women.
So, writers and publishers have always had an eye out for novels that would appeal to woman and flatter them.
Its surprising that Hemingway, sold as many books as he did. But then he actually had quite a few women characters in his best selling novels.
The Recent Hugo awards were all won by Women.
But no one is reading their work.
Because... sexism.
I know Ignorance is Bliss was joking, but Laslo's stream-of-consciousness description of Ponytail Swish girl working out at the gym was one if the best descriptions of a certain type of woman's thoughts and feelings that I can recall.
Of course, I'm a man, but having occasionally overheard the conversations of these types of women in the gym, I think Laslo nailed it.
Dream version of myself? The rock star, duh.
Oh, wait... that's the real life version of me, isn't it?
i'm always first-person in my dreams, so I have no idea what that says about my dream vision of myself. I enjoy a difficult or tricky/challenging book if it is also enthralling. Difficulty for its own sake--well, who do I have to impress? No reason to struggle without a great story.
I'm having difficulty finding a source for that Oscar Wilde quote. Any help?
thanks,
Mary
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