For 34 days, investigators searched for 20-year-old Mollie Tibbetts. Yesterday, an illegal alien, now charged with first-degree murder, led police to the cornfield where her body was found.— The White House (@WhiteHouse) August 22, 2018
The Tibbetts family has been permanently separated. They are not alone. pic.twitter.com/BBskwHEJoU
Demagogue, OED:
1. In ancient times, a leader of the people; a popular leader or orator who espoused the cause of the people against any other party in the state....
2. In bad sense: A leader of a popular faction, or of the mob; a political agitator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of the mob in order to obtain power or further his own interests; an unprincipled or factious popular orator.
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1 – 200 of 331 Newer› Newest»Politicizing murder is almost always in bad taste. I wish it wasn't the American way.
We should keep in mind that the illegals are not the people who have been running this country for the last several decades.
Turns out the farm did not E-verify and lied on Tuesday when they say they did.
It's anti-illegal, not anti-mexican. So it's border-related.
Be sure to watch the video before commenting.
Aren't definitions 1&2 the same?
I think that when it is our side, it is a beloved leader. (def 1)On your side? The they are a demagogue (def 2)
John Henry
This is a legit issue. And there are no demagogues on the Left? Turn on MSNBC now.
It is more than this single murder. It is a giant crime wave (e.g. MS-13) that should NOT be happening in the United States. We’ve involuntarily imported criminals.
I know Althouse didn’t teach Torts, but these cases are all proximate cause cases. But for our open borders, Mollie Tibetts would be in Iowa City today attending classes and getting excited about a big weekend. This is what infuriates me. Same thing happened in Omaha four years ago.
Trump isn't allowed to bring demagoguery to a demagoguery fight.
What "demagog" means is somebody who advocates positions unpopular with the ruling elite, no more, no less.
Videos with blue arrows don't play.
When your side engages in it, it's the good kind.
When the other side engages in it, it's the bad kind.
3. An effective political argument that the opposing side wants to silence.
In other words, civility bullshit.
Turns out the farm did not E-verify and lied on Tuesday when they say they did.
Yeah, I agree with Mark, there should be much tighter enforcement of e-verify!
Millennials Don't Think America Was Ever That Great
And "permanently separated" families are a reason why. Remember when telling blacks that cotton is "the fabric of our lives" was really big on TV? That was another low moment.
Some excellent rhetoric.
And true.
Because it works.
Some say that he's giving voice to those without one. The public will decide. Make a note of today's date.
I suspect that between now and the November ballot what we will see will be brutal and effective.
Just watched the video and the mother of Sarah Root of Iowa was in it. Hard hitting and effective. Absolutely factual.
If Hillary had been in favor of existing American citizens, this ad would be praised to the skies.
Penalties for not doing e-verify should be much stiffer too. It should be required for every job in America. Mark says so too!
I have a hard time looking at those women, not seeing a bunch of NewAgers, and then not caring about their loss.
NewAge does that.
And "permanently separated" families are a reason why.
An entirely different matter. Were Trump sending people down into Mexico to drag families into the US and separate them, or even hunting down people in the US who had never violated any laws and separated them, I would also be outraged, I mean really outraged, not outraged like some people because Trump made a comment that women like rich powerful men.
"But for our open borders, Mollie Tibetts would be in Iowa City today attending classes and getting excited about a big weekend. This is what infuriates me. Same thing happened in Omaha four years ago."
1. We don't have open borders; the rate of illegal crossings has been dropping from several years.
2. Don't pretend people aren't murdered by Americans every day in this country. Don't use Ms. Tibbets' tragic murder by one scumbag to foment hate and hysteria against masses of people. The hate and hysteria won't be limited to just illegal immigrants, but will spread toward all perceived as "foreigners," including legal immigrants and native-born Americans of certain ethnic extractions.
Job description reads"... preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Mr. Trump has a better understanding of that than any other guy in the office in my memory - and I'm over 70 yrs old.
...for several years.
One woman’s demagogue is another’s freedom fighter.
MS-12 and MS-14 are fine citizens.
The pain and suffering of the families shown in the video is palpable and true. This doesn't mean the video itself, and its purpose, is not equivalent to something produced by Leni Reifenstahl.
tim in vermont said...
"And "permanently separated" families are a reason why.
"An entirely different matter. Were Trump sending people down into Mexico to drag families into the US...."
That's twice a white American didn't immediately think of blacks or Natives when the subject of America separating families comes up - the most egregious examples of it in US history - but whites still insist we talk too much about slavery and history in this country.
We don't talk about them nearly enough for these pathetic results.
The hate and hysteria won't be limited to just illegal immigrants, but will spread toward all perceived as "foreigners," including legal immigrants and native-born Americans of certain ethnic extractions.
It's not hate to want illegals out of the country, to someplace where they're legal. The spread of rationality isn't a problem.
According to what I saw on the news, the farm family did put the suspect through some other Federal identification procedure; just not "e-verify", which they did not claim to have used; that was just a media leap to concussions - again.
The hate and hysteria won't be limited to just illegal immigrants, but will spread toward all perceived as "foreigners,"
Robert puts the argument of the left out their plainly. We can't have a "wall" or use any other method to allow us to vet potential immigrants and bring immigration back under the legal control of our duly elected representatives because that would empower racism. But that's not "open borders"! It's just that, alas, we can't have borders because we aren't good enough as a people to have borders. It's a different thing!
The pain and suffering of the families shown in the video is palpable and true. This doesn't mean the video itself, and its purpose, is not equivalent to something produced by Leni Reifenstahl.
Reifenstahl didn't produce videos that won't play, so that's a mark against it right there.
And there are no demagogues on the Left?
Our political discourse, encapsulated in one sentence.
That's twice a white American didn't immediately think of blacks or Native
That's ridiculous Crack. The reference to the enslavement of Africans was so obvious that belaboring it seemed pointless.
Pretty effective video.
Tim in VT, sounds good to me.
A wall isn't needed if you cannot get a job here. If US Citizens are going to ignore their own immigration and employment laws on a massive scale, why are we expecting foreigners to care?
And there are no demagogues on the Left?
"We have no enemies to the left." - Alexander Kerensky
It has been leftist doctrine forever.
Watched the video per Althouse admonition, before commenting:
Comments:
1. Absolutely not demogogic.
2. Bereaved family members expressing grief over losing loved ones to murderous and/or negligent illegal aliens.
3. Effective rebuttal to Leftwing "open borders" narrative that somehow the pure grooviness of illegal immigration (i.e., more Democrat voters, bigger welfare state) outweighs the actual damage by what some illegal aliens do to our innocent citizens.
The mob might just oust a fairly elected President and stop the opposing party from seating a Supreme.
The shit works.
A wall isn't needed if you cannot get a job here.
Kind of weird how Democrats fight making e-verify mandatory tooth and nail at ever opportunity, they fight it just as hard as they fight the wall. Don't you think that's weird? Like there might be something else going on?
“Be sure to watch the video before commenting.”
Exactly what I expected. Now I’ll wait for Hardin’s comments about grief porn.
Demagoguery? This from the person who once suggested that American roofers needed to learn Spanish so they could compete with the illegal alien roofers. Hyper-aware about most things, totally clueless on this subject, and tone deaf to boot.
"Robert puts the argument of the left out their plainly. We can't have a 'wall' or use any other method to allow us to vet potential immigrants and bring immigration back under the legal control of our duly elected representatives because that would empower racism. But that's not "open borders"! It's just that, alas, we can't have borders because we aren't good enough as a people to have borders. It's a different thing!"
No wonder so many on the right are so confused about so much...they misread/misinterpret/misrepresent plain statements in wildly baroque ways to fit their preconceived obsessions, to the point, as here, of imagining things never said.
cotton is "the fabric of our lives" was really big on TV?
You know Crack, I must admit, I did not know that talking about a natural fiber was offensive.
To me, seems the same as demonizing gun owners for every mass shooting that happens.
1. We don't have a rising murder rate; the rate of illegal shootings has been dropping for several years.
2. Don't pretend people aren't murdered by Americans every day in this country. Don't use [fill in mass shooting] by one scumbag to foment hate and hysteria against masses of people. The hate and hysteria won't be limited to just gun owners, but will spread toward all perceived as "rednecks," including legal immigrants and native-born Americans of certain ethnic extractions.
Sorry, RC, but you said it better than I could.
If Ann thinks Trump is being a demagogue on this issue, I'll be very disappointed.
This ad is a response to the Dems' attack on Trump's efforts to enforce the border and immigration laws. Most Americans believe in stronger enforcement of immigration laws. They are not a minority or a mob. They suffered quietly for years under Obama and Republicans who thought illegals were committing an "act of love". This majority of Americans is rejecting the political biases and correctness foisted on them by the political and commercial elitists.
Maybe this is a North/South issue and Northerners just don't get it. If so, they're going to start getting it now after the murder of Mollie Tibbetts.
I also fault the Iowa Republican for hiring the illegal and not using e-verify.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/poll-americans-want-tough-immigration-reform-the-wall-english-spoken
Hey! Here's another heart warming story of another illegal immigrant. Don't worry Althouse, he didn't stab to death a pretty little white girl.
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Sorry, Cook, the little boy has cried "Nazi!" once too often.
Seriously, your opinion is less than nothing to me.
It seems a small ask to enforce laws we’ve had for ages. To enforce borders we’ve maintained for ages. Other nations do it- that’s how we know they are other nations. We know where one country ends and another begins.
Like I said, it seems a small ask.
Besides the snark, this ad is demagoguery and I don't think it's right. It absolutely is aimed, in context, at Mexicans and Central Americans.
tim in vermont said...
Penalties for not doing e-verify should be much stiffer too.
The only people that must use e-verify as far as I know are Federal contractors. firms not working for the Feds don't. It's a sticking point that Dems in Congress have fought.
I assume, but don't know, that the Feds also use it for hires. I'm certain many states refuse to use it
As for the clip?
The standard Dem add uses Dreamers or other adorable children in some fashion to make the GOP out to be Ogres. Debate by anecdote seems fair for the GOP to use as well. Remember Willy Horton started out as a Dem ad...
Those people are not actors
Poor Crack has one subject and one subject only.
Don't use Ms. Tibbets' tragic murder by one scumbag to foment hate and hysteria against masses of people.
Cookie is worse. Those "masses of people" are coming across the border every day. Mexico is a failed state and the Central American countries damaged by US Democrats who installed the Sandinistas and the turmoil in Honduras fomented by Obama, are almost as bad.
We do NOT want those people here. The next crisis will be Venezuelans fleeing the Socialism that Cookie advocates.
There are at least a billion people who are victims of misrule and criminal classes of politicians.
I had a kid (Hispanic) joining the Army yesterday. He is 17 and those kids need parental consent. He had only one parent signature and there was a death certificate . I asked him what happened to his father. "He was murdered in Mexico."
Lots of these people, legal residents and citizens, cross over into Mexico all the time. Some kids I see have orthodontia done in Mexico. That kid knows how dangerous Mexico is.
Sorry not sorry if it’s not up to your standards of good taste.
"And there are no demagogues on the Left?"
Of course there are. Demagoguery, as with power-seeking, greed, and the tendency of those with power to seek to aggrandize their power without limits, is an aspect of humanity, and therefor, of all political factions.
The question is: What substantial "left" do we have in America, or, more particularly, in Washington?
It absolutely is aimed, in context, at Mexicans and Central Americans.
Tell us the number of criminal gangs made up of Chinese or other illegal immigrants.
of imagining things never said.
Either you are gaslighting, Robert, or you have no concept of the implications of what you said. Explain to me why your comment doesn't imply that firm immigration enforcement just empowers racism. Yeah, I took the concept for a little rhetorical spin, but I don't think that my spin on your comment was fundamentally dishonest.
Maybe you can explain to me why it is wrong, why your position does not imply any of those things, for a start.
What substantial "left" do we have in America, or, more particularly, in Washington?
Well, we have the faculties of all American universities and the Democratic Party, How about that for a start ?
Let the government work to end all gang violence. M13, as I understand it, began in the U.S. as immigrants organized to fight other gangs. How about dealing directly with that problem rather than drawing the line around immigrants who are here illegally. They may also be a problem, but it’s not a violence problem. The lack of rationality is glaring. This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
Michael K
Al Qeada? The tongs and triads? Yakuza?
History is full of gangs made up of illegal immigrants.
David Begley: This is a legit issue. And there are no demagogues on the Left? Turn on MSNBC now.
It is more than this single murder. It is a giant crime wave (e.g. MS-13) that should NOT be happening in the United States. We’ve involuntarily imported criminals.
Any reference to, let alone discussion of, the negative impacts of immigration (illegal or legal) is demagoguery in the second sense. You can always tell the informed, reasonable citizens from the scapegoating bigots because the former will only discuss immigration within the ambit of knowledgeable "nation of immigrants" bromides and sophisticated allusions to Founding Father Emma Lazarus. Though of late brow-furrowing about the problematic nature of reporting crimes involving attractive young white women is also becoming an acceptable frame for discussing the issue.
I haven't figured out yet why some deaths can be politicized without being decried as "demagoguery", and some cannot. As far as I can see it has nothing to do with how much of a threat to civil peace, or how actively destructive, the roused rabble becomes.
"Sorry, Cook, the little boy has cried 'Nazi!' once too often.
"Seriously, your opinion is less than nothing to me."
That doesn't bother me.
(But, if true, why do you bother responding?)
This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
It is emotional manipulation in opposition to emotional manipulation..
At least this version is honest.
Michael K
Al Qeada? The tongs and triads? Yakuza?
History is full of gangs made up of illegal immigrants.
Cheap non response. How many tongs and triads are conducting a crime wave ?
Al qeada is equivalent to the Muslim Brotherhood that was in he White House until January 20,2017
Spectacular video. Hope they play it over and over again prior to the mid-terms, showing Pelosi and Scheemer's faces throughout. Add a splash of the illegal immigrant/murderer taking his pregnant wife to the hospital for a C-section.
Michael K said...
Tell us the number of criminal gangs made up of Chinese or other illegal immigrants.
Michael, though I'm on your side of the basic argument, that is a bit disingenuous. We are both Californians, if both ex-
I know you know about Chinese Tongs, and Japanese Yakuza as well as whatever the Koreans and Viets call their gangs.
They just aren't as prevalent as the Bloods, Crips, MS-13, etc Or Hell's Angels for that matter
Numerous studies have shown that undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes than any US citizen.
Trump has been constantly been conflating all undocumented immigrants with MS13 and having the ICE go after long-time residents with no criminal record. In fact he's actually deporting crime victims, punishing them for reporting violent predators to the police. And here's the thing, he hasn't stopped at the undocumented. His administration is pushing to go after legal residents for using the ACA and even de-naturalizing US citizens based on paperwork errors. He is systematically closing off many means of entering the US legally by undermining asylum eligibility standards, reducing refugee admissions, and reducing the overall number of visas granted.
It is incredibly obvious what the end goal of Trump's immigration policies is. We're currently in a slippery slope wherein the administration and its promoters keep telling us they're only going after the bad guys but then expanding the definition of "bad guys" to include newer groups. After denaturalizing US citizens and blocking all legal avenues to come here, what's next? Ending birthright citizenship? Deporting people who were born here?
" 'What substantial "left" do we have in America, or, more particularly, in Washington?'
"Well, we have the faculties of all American universities and the Democratic Party, How about that for a start?"
Saying this doesn't make it true.
The majority want the wall.
The majority want more control over illegal immigration.
And Trump, throwing their own words back in their faces over 'separation' is fair game to tag on Democrats.
Dems want to pull on emotional heartstrings to demand (not request) sympathy from the masses with their pictures of Obama putting kids in cages and trying to pin it on Trump.
Well, a heartstring has two ends and now they get a taste of facing their own version of moral blackmail.
This isn't demagoguery. This is a 'Turnabout Is Fair Play' tag and well done.
The problem with illegals is that they don't assimilate in the numbers that they're coming.
Gang violence is a straw man. They also are murderers, rapists, drunk drivers, bank robbers not part of a gang. Often they are empowered to commit more crimes, more violent crimes knowing the court system will let them off with a warning.
Ann Althouse said...
Let the government work to end all gang violence. M13, as I understand it, began in the U.S. as immigrants organized to fight other gangs. How about dealing directly with that problem rather than drawing the line around immigrants who are here illegally. They may also be a problem, but it’s not a violence problem. The lack of rationality is glaring. This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
Is it not Althouse who always notes that people act on emotion, even if they don't know it?
It is emotional manipulation in pursuit of good policy. I fixed that for you.
John Lynch said: "Besides the snark, this ad is demagoguery and I don't think it's right. It absolutely is aimed, in context, at Mexicans and Central Americans."
Nope, it's aimed at voters. And it will work.
The ad strikes me as fair and square, and, frankly, justified.
To me, one problem with illegal immigration is the gray zone where immigrants are second-class citizens subject to state power without due process. They have to act illegally to do anything, which erodes respect for the law. Living in the black economy, getting paid in cash, and so on, is bad for our institutions.
Another problem is the economic impact on the poorest Americans already here. Immigration, illegal and otherwise, depresses wages.
The last problem is cultural, if you care about what makes America distinct. Too much immigration at once can turn the US into the countries that people are fleeing from.
"I also fault the Iowa Republican for hiring the illegal and not using e-verify."
The Iowa person who administers the farm's payroll ran the perp's SS number and name in the Social Security system thinking it was the same as E-Verify. SS system replied A-OK on the perp.
We need a wall, because the Democrats won't let us have a border.
How about dealing directly with that problem rather than drawing the line around immigrants who are here illegally. They may also be a problem, but it’s not a violence problem. The lack of rationality is glaring.
The utter lack of control over who gets to live in the US leads to violent people coming here. IN YOUR OPINION it's not a violence problem. What has stoked a lot of this anger has been sanctuary cities letting violent illegals go because they sincerely believe in the rhetoric Robert Cook so kindly outlined above. You are ignoring a lot of other stuff that has happened. Drunk drivers who are illegal aliens who are let go and just disappear. I am sure that the commenters here can provide a longer list.
You act as if this is a single, isolated incident, without a context of flouting of existing laws by state and local governments and police forces.
The torsion on the Althousian panties, causing her to go to attacking Trump shows how effective this ad actually is.
She is, to be fair, one who gives an honest airing of Conservative grievances. And good for her on that.
But at the end of the day, she's Left Leaning, though fair. Sort of like Dershowitz. (Unlike Zuck, she realizes she needs to cater to Conservative ideas to get Amazon cash and ad clicks)
This ad caused her great consternation.
I don't see anything unfair about it. We catch illegals and don't ship them home DESPITE WHAT THE LAW SAYS, because Dems. Because Obama told ICE to go play canasta instead of their jobs. Sanctuary cities.
Republicans are not talking gas chambers. They are not talking cattle cars. They want a Wall. They want ENFORCED E-Verify. They want voting rolls vetted to ensure citizenship.
This 'there are AMERICAN murderers you know' doesn't fly because we punish them too. That dog don't hunt. It's nonsense.
This ad IS murder if they play it after every speech by a Pro Immigration Democrat.
A Red Dyke to that Blue Wave.
"It is incredibly obvious what the end goal of Trump's immigration policies is."
And it is... what?
Robert Cook- whatnyou are saying is in many ways too true, but it's important to note that the backlash you worry about is made extreme by the denial of the reality on the ground. Get ahead of the problem (these people are here illegally) and the intensity of the reaction never materializes. Attempt to suppress and deny what people feel, and you can very easily end up with violence.
When did Mexicans and Central Americans become "just like blacks under Jim Crow" whose asses we're obliged to kiss?
Why is every shitty ass except mine entitled to be kissed?
Robert Cook (and Prof. Althouse, to some extent) are playing the role of the guy who watches a Black Lives Matter rally and opines that killings by police are infrequent and most homicide is black-on-black. It seems a little late to start insisting that one cannot focus on a subset of murders for policy reasons, or that one must speak out against all crime or else none at all.
"This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power."
Both parties used to agree on this issue. Until the Dems decided they could use emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
The whole falderal about the "separated families" when the "families" had come into this country in violation of our laws, dragging children through the desert at night, etc, was "extreme emotional manipulation." And now we have chicken processing plants claiming that their supply of "asylum seekers" is drying up. Boo hoo. Raise wages.
The illegal immigration situation reminds me of the broken window theory. "Oh, these people are just a little bit illegal, no biggee". Which leads to next level of law-breaking.
Unlike Zuck, she realizes she needs to cater to Conservative ideas to get Amazon cash and ad clicks)
That's ridiculous too, just as ridiculous as Crack's comment. If you believe that, you must read this blog the same way that R/V reads "philosophy."
Mac McConnell - Yes, I know the Iowa Republican ran the number through SS verify - that's the problem - he should have known the number could have been stolen and the SS review was meaningless.
Robert Cook said...
"The pain and suffering of the families shown in the video is palpable and true. This doesn't mean the video itself, and its purpose, is not equivalent to something produced by Leni Reifenstahl."
This is tantamount to Holocaust denial. Shame on you.
Equivalencies always point both ways. When you say that this is like Nazi propaganda, you are saying that Nazi propaganda was like this. It wasn't, especially not in its purpose.
Have you no sense of decency?
Trump is the real light bringer.
Numerous studies have shown that undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes than any US citizen.
So? Even if that is true illegal aliens depress wages and increase unemployment. They also provide cover to the bad actors.
To me, one problem with illegal immigration is the gray zone where immigrants are second-class citizens subject to state power without due process.
Good example of the idiocy being thrown around by Democrats.
They are NOT CITIZENS ! Second class or other wise. They are not citizens.
Illegal immigrants aren't second class citizens, they aren't any kind of citizens. At least 50% are on some kind of welfare. We can't have a welfare state and have open borders.
How about dealing directly with that problem rather than drawing the line around immigrants who are here illegally.
Do you really want us to go back to invading countries and nation building? The problem with illegal immigration is the corruption in the country's these people left. The whole point of a wall is to force these people to fix their problems directly rather than bringing them here.
Alas, we have a former President that praised the Venezuela government resulting in one more failed Latin American country.
Michael K, fine, the point is the they aren't citizens, and having a lot of non-citizens is a problem for everyone, including the illegal aliens. It's bad for everyone.
Can you imagine your daughters body decomposing in a cornfield, with bugs and worms consuming the evidence.
Meanwhile the community will have to provide room and board for this alien for the rest of his life, because we are too squeamish to cremate him for electricity.
The time for change is now. I would empty the prisons and feed these people to the furnaces. If 12 citizens say they are guilty, then that is good enough for God.
I'm sure the party of ads showing old people in wheelchairs being pushed off cliffs is deeply offended by this ad.
After denaturalizing US citizens and blocking all legal avenues to come here, what's next? Ending birthright citizenship? Deporting people who were born here?
More crazy talk. What, pray tell, is "denaturalizing ?"
Nobody but you is talking about "blocking all legal avenues to come here."
This is the technique of the left. Pretty soon you will be deciding which of 65 genders will be allowed to go to college,.
Try to keep between the lines when you're driving fast,
>>This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
Exactly right.
The Dems have made this their core messaging strategy for decades.
Hoist on their own petard.
Numerous studies have shown that undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes than any US citizen.
They're more likely to commit violent crimes than white US citizens. That might be the cultural standard to aim for.
How is this wrong? Not seeing it.
-sw
Emotional manipulation works on women mostly.
Ron Winkleheimer said...
"You know Crack, I must admit, I did not know that talking about a natural fiber was offensive."
It is when your family history is of being forced to pick it.
The fundamental question from 1787 to today is whether we are to be one Federal republic with one Constitution and one set of Federal laws, or a loose confederation of states free to observe or ignore said Constitution and laws as they might feel like at any one moment.
Shithole countries are easier to turn into Marxist Dictatorships.Ergo: Soros need more Shits so he can destroy and loot the USA at will.
Replying to the professor's question, "why not just concentrate on the violence problem," because Trump won because of his stance on illegal immigration. People want it stopped, the GOPe has been promising to do so for years, but were lying about it, they gambled that Trump would keep his promise about it, and here we are.
I presume most fare beaters on the subway are not violent criminals. I also presume that there is a higher proportion of violent criminals among the fare beaters than among those who lawfully paid for entry. My takeaway is that we should do what we can to keep fare beaters off the subway. Others claim that fare beating is not a violent crime and that fare beaters use that tactic simply because they're too poor to pay the fare, so let it go.......DeBlasio, the mayor of NYC, has taken an extremely lenient attitude towards fare beaters. I'm not particularly enraged by the crime of fare beating. Maybe it will work out for the best, but I do know for a fact that it takes only a relatively few number of violent criminals to make the subway unusable for a huge tier of riders........I'm cheap and of a robust size. Back when, I used to travel by subway at off hours, but I knew a great many people who absolutely refused to use the subway. The people who were too intimidated to use the subway were also poor and far more vulnerable than the young, healthy males who were agile enough to beat the fare. In a sense, it was the fare beaters who were oppressing the poor and the marginal.......Does any of this have relevance to the immigration debate?
It would be mere demagoguery, but Elizabeth Warren made it relevant.
That's too bad, but it is the world we live in at the moment. People aren't even ashamed to use a body while its still warm to push their personal political goals.
Numerous studies have shown that undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes than any US citizen.
What those studies do is control for economic circumstance. So what we are doing is importing more members of a violent class in order to augment our own violent classes. Those studies do not compare illegal immigrants to Americans as a whole.
It's more fake news, lying by omission.
Is is demagoguery if the majority want something?
It is when your family history is of being forced to pick it.
Is rice offensive too? Should we ban ads for "The San Francisco Treat?" Tobacco ads are already forbidden, so that's not a problem.
You might also say that those "studies" are demagoguery.
>>"You know Crack, I must admit, I did not know that talking about a natural fiber was offensive."
> It is when your family history is of being forced to pick it.
That's why I'm so offended by wine commercials. My Italian ancestors were forced to stomp grapes.
And don't get me started on Pottery Barn ads, which completely ignored the brutal legacy of clay mining in Sicily.
The hate and hysteria won't be limited to just illegal immigrants, but will spread toward all perceived as "foreigners," including legal immigrants and native-born Americans of certain ethnic extractions. . - Robert Cook
Who said anything about that? No wonder so many on the left are so confused about so much...they misread/misinterpret/misrepresent plain statements in wildly baroque ways to fit their preconceived obsessions, to the point, as here, of imagining things never said.
William, that was a great post.
Want to see demagoguery? Watch the MSM/Lefty reaction to the Manifort/Cohen situations as they relate to Trump.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/randy-hall/2018/07/02/new-poll-most-voters-support-trump-immigration-sanctuary-cities
William said...Does any of this have relevance to the immigration debate?
Not one bit.
1. End Jus soli as per Europe and Asia
2. Eject all illegal aliens to the country they entered from.
3. Eject repeat offenders to Somalia and Nigeria.
4. Cremate all violent prisoners for energy.
5. Plant trees and flowers to make America great again.
Michael K said...
"Poor Crack has one subject and one subject only."
I first mentioned white racism, as depriving us of meaningful historical dialogue, and then NewAge, depriving me of the ability to feel for some women. But you see "one subject and one subject only." Meaning one plus one equals one. Again.
I'm gonna break out of this one day.
It's demagoguery if it's not about "Dreamers" who graduated as high-school valedictorians.
BamaBadgOR said...
"Mac McConnell - Yes, I know the Iowa Republican ran the number through SS verify - that's the problem - he should have known the number could have been stolen and the SS review was meaningless."
I do payrolls for a living. The very reason small businesses hire my firm is they don't know shit from shinola how it all works. The normal person would think SS would know the relevant info.
" Don't pretend people aren't murdered by Americans every day in this country"
Who is pretending that? We have plenty of homegrown scumbags. We don't need to bring in the world's scumbags.
Legal immigrants are more law abiding than the general population. Illegals are not.
> This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
What I see is a counter-narrative.
The narrative engineers in the mass media, hollywood, and the open borders party
Want you to know every illegal immigrant is a hardworking maid or gardener
A future DACA member
But don't criminals and psychos and worse future socialist voters benefit the most from crossing borders and being undocumented?
Some want us to remember Ángel Reséndiz
Consider this: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/08/22/symone-sanders-toxic-masculinity-killed-mollie-tibbetts/ Notwithstanding the misuse of the term "toxic masculinity", anyone familiar with Latin American culture would understand that "machismo" does indeed comport with toxic masculinity. We are importing that culture willy-nilly and our assimilation mechanism has been deliberately broken. Sometimes a little demagoguery is a useful alarm.
Ann Althouse said...
"The lack of rationality is glaring. This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power."
BWAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Sorry. That was a cynical outburst. It won't happen again (I hope).
NewAge, depriving me of the ability to feel for some women
There is absolutely no reason to think the people in the video are "NewAge," by which I presume you mean people who who subscribe to such believes as crystals having healing power, perhaps being a Wicca, etc. But even if they were, so what?
"I think those people are Roman Catholic, so I feel no sympathy for them."
See how that works?
If the movie was about Muslim "migrants" giving Althhouse's gay son a flying lesson off the UT tower I'm sure she would also not anyone demagoguing the issue either. Right?
"Either you are gaslighting, Robert, or you have no concept of the implications of what you said. Explain to me why your comment doesn't imply that firm immigration enforcement just empowers racism. Yeah, I took the concept for a little rhetorical spin, but I don't think that my spin on your comment was fundamentally dishonest."
Where in anything I have said here do I suggest we should allow uncontrolled, unauthorized immigration across our borders, that we should allow "open borders?" This video and the emotions it seeks to arouse are not to do with simple "immigration enforcement," but has to do with inflaming xenophobic fear and hatred of all perceived to be "other." It is the conflation of "illegal immigrants" with murder, rape, and other violent crimes that appeals to and promotes racism. It would have us believe that every illegal immigrant crossing our borders--a declining number for several years, as I pointed out--is a violent criminal, and it will lead to the perception by many that any or all persons they see who appear to be Hispanic and who speak with an accent are illegal immigrants, and, therefore, rapists, thieves, and murders.
It is you who have no concept of the implications of this video and the thinking behind it. It takes the tragic circumstances and genuine grief of these people who have had loved ones murdered and uses it for blunt propaganda to foster fear, which generates hate. I don't know if (and didn't say) your take on my comments was dishonest, but it is certainly a wild misinterpretation. As I said, the obsessions of the right distort their perception and understanding of any arguments they hear that are counter to their certainties. (And yes, this is true of everyone: we all interpret the world through our perceptions, which are unavoidably colored by our preexisting beliefs. We can't not be this way; we can only be aware of this universal human tendency and try fight against it by attending to fact and recognizing appeals to emotion for what they are.)
This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
Yep. Glad to see somebody in the Republican party gets it.
Ugly repetitious use of word separation.
So wait a minute... Yesterday the commenters here all assure me that the "Republican" who employed this guy was paying him under the table in cash, thus contributing to the problem of illegal immigration, but today I find out that that was more "fake news' and the "Republican" had made a misguided, but good faith effort to establish his citizenship and report his earnings to SS?
Do I have that right, Mark?
AA: How about dealing directly with that problem rather than drawing the line around immigrants who are here illegally.
Because there's a rat's nest of inter-connected problems having to do with tolerance for illegal immigration, that make illegal-immigrant gang crime a distinct problem.
The insistence that any thinking or discussion along those lines should be shut down is not only an irrational and emotional response, as an argument it's well past its sell-by date.
They may also be a problem, but it’s not a violence problem. The lack of rationality is glaring. This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
I'm not seeing much rationality in your response to this particular instance of "emotional manipulation". News reporting is wall-to-wall "emotional manipulation", on any given issue. So why are you so worked up about this one in particular?
I get the impression that you haven't paid much attention to the immigration issue over the years, never thought it of much importance. So perhaps because of that you don't realize that your complaints here are the same tired old responses that people concerned about immigration have been seeing for years and years and years from people who don't want the issue discussed. "Don't mention the immigrants! Ever! Imprudent immigration policy cannot be the proximate or ultimate cause of any problem!"
And they've been pretty successful in getting sane, civil discussion shut down. So if you have complaints about anybody "demagoguing" the issue, take it up with the people who've put so much money, energy, and emotional manipulation into demonizing anybody who disagrees with them for the last forty years. You're awfully selective in your outrage about manipulation here.
Robert Cook said...
"1. We don't have open borders; the rate of illegal crossings has been dropping from several years."
How many illegal crossings does Robert Cook need to see before he would consider the border 'open'? I will answer my own question. If there are 20,000 illegal crossings per month, the border is effectively 'open'.
Just because the all time high was above 1 million does not mean that 240,000 illegal crossings *per year* is not a significant problem.
2. Don't pretend people aren't murdered by Americans every day in this country."
I don't pretend that at all. Most murders are state/local affairs and do not involve the federal government. In this case, however, if the federal government had a robust immigration process (including vetting those coming into the country, and removing those illegally here) murders by illegals could be dropped to *ZERO*.
Your statement says that we need to tolerate murder of people because you would rather the Mollie Tibbets of the country get killed for fear of creating prejudice.
You ignore the fact that if we had a working immigration process much of the prejudice would go away. If everyone had to sign the guest book on the way into the country (or be deported), and all guest workers were given a federal tax ID, and employers were fined, arrested, charged for not using e-verify, and if black market cash payments for labor (at scale) at factories were busted by the feds, then everyone would think that immigrants are the hard working, rule following, society contributing, benefits to society that all right thinking democrats tell us they are.
"Don't use Ms. Tibbets' tragic murder by one scumbag to foment hate and hysteria against masses of people."
That mass of people are those that have decided that they will break the law to get and stay here.
"The hate and hysteria won't be limited to just illegal immigrants, but will spread toward all perceived as 'foreigners,' including legal immigrants and native-born Americans of certain ethnic extractions."
See my comment above. Basically if everyone believed that the immigration process was working correctly there would not be any hysteria.
I don't know why reparations ain't a solution to the gang problem: they don't feel like a part of the country, or that there's any justice here, so they don't act like it - why can't resolving that, once and for all, be an answer? Ob yeah - because whites don't want it to be - I forgot. My bad. Carry on, searching for solutions. I'll just watch.
The best way to stop the idiocy, Crack, is to walk away from the television set.
"NewAge, depriving me of the ability to feel for some women."
Now that I know what you are grounded in, you posts no longer surprise me.
Robert Cook, you bring up some interesting points:
Don't pretend people aren't murdered by Americans every day in this country.
This argument dances around a central question: What rate of crime (beyond breaking immigration rules) might be expected from illegal immigrants without provoking widespread outrage? There (strangely) doesn't seem to be much discussion about this, but I'd think it would be about zero. After all, illegal immigrants would not want to stir up additional problems that might lead to a crackdown on all illegal immigrants.
The hate and hysteria won't be limited to just illegal immigrants, but will spread toward all perceived as "foreigners," including legal immigrants and native-born Americans of certain ethnic extractions.
Disagree. But I appreciate you making this statement so clearly and honestly. I dislike the rhetorical shell game that dishonestly swaps Americans, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants (egregious example here: https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/22/17768194/mollie-tibbetts-illegal-immigration-crime )
This shell game is founded in the near-religious belief in certain sectors of the left that conservatives are rabid racists and white supremists, rather than fair-minded citizens that expect that laws should be honored, in spirit as well as in letter.
his video and the emotions it seeks to arouse are not to do with simple "immigration enforcement," but has to do with inflaming xenophobic fear and hatred of all perceived to be "other." It is the conflation of "illegal immigrants" with murder, rape, and other violent crimes that appeals to and promotes racism
That's baroque imaginings of things that were never said.
but it is certainly a wild misinterpretation
Well, I am certainly willing to concede that I didn't draw the conclusions that you intended me to draw. That's the difference between reading comprehension, which is only a first step, and critical thinking, which brings all the readers experience to bear.
As I said, the obsessions of the right distort their perception and understanding of any arguments they hear that are counter to their certainties.
I'm rubber and you're glue.
"and it will lead to the perception by many that any or all persons they see who appear to be Hispanic and who speak with an accent are illegal immigrants, and, therefore, rapists, thieves, and murders."
I am Hispanic.
I don't think I will be mistaken for an illegal immigrant. I don't think anyone thinks everyone who looks Hispanic must be an illegal immigrant, and I find that notion ludicrous.
And I do believe illegal immigrants commit a far higher rate of violent crime, because they do.
I think you are accusing the vast swath of your countrymen as being idiotic racist hillbillys. But we're not all Democrats.
I'd rather have the issue addressed correctly, clearly, and in context, and what's clear is that your approach is to make that impossible.
But thanks for your concern.
I will be taking a brief absence from following this thread as I will be occupied on Facebook, going over to my SJW friends who littered my feed with pictures of kids in cages. I need to insert this video in the comments section of their "picture of kids in cages" posts. Just in case they missed it.
Numerous studies have shown that undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes than any US citizen
I hope that the Trump Administration will compel the US Department of Justice to publish comprehensive statistics of the immigration status of all criminals.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/7/30-percent-federal-prisoners-are-immigrants-dojdhs/
Numerous studies have shown that undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes than any US citizen
After the US Department of Justice begins to publish the statistics of the immigration status of all criminals, then we will not need to have various "studies" guessing at the situation.
Ron Winkleheimer said...
"There is absolutely no reason to think the people in the video are "NewAge," by which I presume you mean people who who subscribe to such believes as crystals having healing power, perhaps being a Wicca, etc."
You guys know so little about what I talk about, I wonder why you don't ask questions but, instead, bat down your silly statements even I wouldn't agree with - which is why I never make them - even though you always attribute them to me. NewAgers treat beliefs like a grocery store, so while some go for "crystals having healing power, perhaps being a Wicca, etc." there are others who limit their nonsensical BS to more acceptable pursuits - in your eyes. Organic food, yoga, sea salt in the kitchen, and detoxing, maybe. Since you don't understand NewAge, you wouldn't know this, and so, are prone to sound stupid.
You, on the other hand, are stupid.
"But even if they were, so what?"
Because people who believe wrong things don't do so in isolation. They have to believe other wrong things, to support their first wrong belief, and they become activists of one kind or another, so now we've got communities of cultists spouting nonsense they get vindictive about others believing. It's a nightmare - and you are a shallow thinker.
"I think those people are Roman Catholic, so I feel no sympathy for them."
"See how that works?"
Have you seen the Catholic Church and kids lately?
This story sure does complicate the Iowa caucus and the 2020 election. How the hell is any Democrat whose party officially endorses Sanctuary Cities supposed to make headway there?
Ron Winkleheimer said...
"There is absolutely no reason to think the people in the video are "NewAge,"
You don't recognize their uniforms, obviously. That's not my problem but yours.
"We catch illegals and don't ship them home DESPITE WHAT THE LAW SAYS, because Dems. Because Obama told ICE to go play canasta instead of their jobs."
This is an example of someone with an incorrect perception of reality.
"Andrew said...
Numerous studies have shown that undocumented immigrants are not more likely to commit violent crimes than any US citizen."
Moronic argument. First, they're illegal aliens, not undocumented immigrants. And illegal aliens commit way more violent crime in the US than their fellow citizens who stay home.
Is Madison a Sanctuary City? Seems like it has the right sort of left to be one.
Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
"The best way to stop the idiocy, Crack, is to walk away from the television set."
My TV stays on, but the sound only goes up if it has to.
But IF hypothetically Robert Cook's ludicrous view that everyone is just raring to perceive everyone of Hispanic descent as being an illegal immigrant rapist, thief or murderer were in fact even remotely possible, then the obvious solution would be to build the f'ing wall and do everything possible to bring illegal immigration down to zero in order to make that perception even more ludicrous and implausible.
I get the impression that you [Althouse] haven't paid much attention to the immigration issue over the years, never thought it of much importance.
Althouse even objects to the expression "illegal alien", which is the correct legal expression.
Ann Althouse said...
Let the government work to end all gang violence. M13, as I understand it, began in the U.S. as immigrants organized to fight other gangs. How about dealing directly with that problem rather than drawing the line around immigrants who are here illegally. They may also be a problem, but it’s not a violence problem. The lack of rationality is glaring. This is emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power.
"Emotional manipulation in pursuit of political power" is what I think of Trump rallies.
I really appreciate your posting this video, Althouse; I might not have seen it (or at least not seen it by now) without your having put it up on your blog. I appreciate it.
I'm interested in, and surprised by, you own comments on it. I see it as fair political messaging, and positively mild compared to the left's demagoguery on immigration. I think this spot is beautifully crafted; I'd like to know who gets the production and authorship credit.
The Crack Emcee said...
I don't know why reparations ain't a solution to the gang problem:
Because giving criminals a bunch of money to stop threatening you has worked so well in the past...
And both Cook and all his fellow leftists who fight to keep sanctuary cities going and give illegals safe harbor here are in fact the ones doing their level best to make sure that Hispanics who are here legally, like me (as a born citizen) and some family members (naturalized), become a minority of the Hispanics in this country, thus creating exactly the perception that "all hispanics are illegals" that he claims to be so worried about.
For some reason, none of you morons want to address the really important question, which I've already asked once.
"When does my shitty ass get kissed?"
I don't care whether your shitty ass gets kissed.
I just want my big white boy ass kissed. Really get your noses in there.
I just hope the bugs and worms didn't consume her vagina and all the sperm, thus we will never be able to convict him of rape as well as murder.
Organic food, yoga, sea salt in the kitchen
I use sea salt in the kitchen, because it has a larger grain and does not have iodine in it, thus improving the taste and mouth feel of the food. So?
I watched the video again and don't see any "uniform" that would indicate that they are "NewAge." Perhaps you are correct, perhaps I am stupid, ignorant, and shallow. Would you please help me with the ignorance part and explain how I can identify "NewAgers" via their clothing choices?
tim maguire said...
I don't know why reparations ain't a solution to the gang problem:
"Because giving criminals a bunch of money to stop threatening you has worked so well in the past..."
Why do you guys assume everything has to be framed in the always-too-silly-and-offensive ways you guys frame it? Doesn't it ever occur to you that, the only reason it sounds so offensive, is because YOU'RE MAKING IT THAT WAY?
I said nothing about "giving criminals a bunch of money to stop threatening you" so what would make you think that's what I meant? But your own twisted mind? (And it IS twisted. I'd say the twisted way whites frame things is probably half of the reason why nothing constructive ever gets done: we're too busy knocking down the idiocy coming out of your poisoned membranes.)
Why don't ask yourself if that nonsense could possibly be what I meant before you write it down? It would save all of us a lot of reading time.
When Dems care about something, it's a normal human response. When Repubs care a out something, it's demagoguery and exploiting the issue.
It is remarkable to me that smart folks like Althouse are unable to distinguish between the purported societal benefits of legal immigrants (arguably true) and the purported societal benefits of ILLEGAL immigrants (demonstrably false). The latter drive down blue collar wages, get stuck on welfare, commit crimes, don't assimilate, but, oh yeah, do a good job mowing my lawn.
Send all the illegals to White Wisconsin - support diversity!
The last 50 years of the "Great Society" transferred billions of dollars from whites to blacks, Crack.
And we "framed" it in such a way that it wouldn't be offensive.
But because we didn't explicitly frame it as "reparations", that doesn't count in your eyes.
Neither do the hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers who died in the Civil War. They don't. Count. At. All.
So, I, for one, don't give a shit anymore.
Cookie: Where in anything I have said here do I suggest we should allow uncontrolled, unauthorized immigration across our borders, that we should allow "open borders?"
"Oh, I'm not in favor of any of those things, it's just that actually doing anything about them in any real-world way is automatically racist and xenophobic."
This video and the emotions it seeks to arouse are not to do with simple "immigration enforcement," but has to do with inflaming xenophobic fear and hatred of all perceived to be "other."
Well, here's the problem, Robert. Over the last forty years plenty of perfectly decent people with sane, reasonable views on immigration enforcement/restriction have been anathematized as "xenophobes" and "haters" and "racists".
In other words, the PTBs who *don't* want immigration law enforced, who *do* want open borders, have done a bang-up job of "otherizing" millions of your decent fellow citizens. They've got people like you convinced that all these *other* people are powder kegs of latent "xenophobic fear and hatred of all perceived to be 'other'", just waiting to be set off by political ads.
It pains me to see honest lefties like you so susceptible to the hateful otherizing propaganda of globo-corps and the CoC. I thought you were wise to that stuff.
On the other hand, I think organic food is just a racket used to extract money from gullible upper-class people. But then I always buy the cheaper store brands, except for Jiffy Corn Bread mix.
"When Dems care about something, it's a normal human response. When Repubs care a out something, it's demagoguery and exploiting the issue."
analysis true.
Law Professor Logic:
Separated due to parent incarceration is different than separation due to murder of children.
One is wrong, the other is just tough luck.
“I have a hard time looking at those women, not seeing a bunch of NewAgers, and then not caring about their loss.”
Wow, Crack. You just described, almost exactly, what the mass of White folks reflexively feel when they read about a Chicago weekend shooting bonanza.
You didn’t think about that one. You just soaked it in bigotry and hung it on the clothesline where the neighbors could see it.
The GOP holds the House and Trump wins 40 states in 2020.
Then what do the Dems do? Move to Mexico?
Ron Winkleheimer said...
"I use sea salt in the kitchen, because it has a larger grain and does not have iodine in it, thus improving the taste and mouth feel of the food. So?"
You guys kill me with your shallowness. Everything is "surface" with you. Homeopathy is only water - forgetting there's a belief system attached to it. Sea Salt is just a seasoning - forgetting there's a NewAge MOVEMENT behind a lot of these products.
Stop being stupid. But, more importantly, stop acting like I am: You are the ignorant one, here.
"I watched the video again and don't see any "uniform" that would indicate that they are "NewAge.""
What part of "you don't know what to look for" doesn't make sense to you?
"Perhaps you are correct, perhaps I am stupid, ignorant, and shallow."
I am, and you are - plus vindictive and hostile - a very bad combination.
"Would you please help me with the ignorance part and explain how I can identify "NewAgers" via their clothing choices?"
You could start by visiting your local NewAge shops. Look at what they wear. Lots of dolphin earrings, etc., all telegraphing their beliefs as much as a cross indicates a Christian - if you know what they're saying and why. Most don't, that's why NewAgers get away with so much mayhem. They're "flakes" to most people. "Harmless." With that kind of cover, a person can get away with murder - and they do.
Great point, Angle-Dyne. Cook complains about the POTENTIAL "otherizing" Hispanics (I'm still so touched by his concern) while simultaneously continuing the ACTUAL decades long "otherizing" of his fellow citizens as xenophobic racists. And I bet he doesn't even remotely see it even when it's pointed out to him.
Very effective video and use of emotion.
Only a Trump WH would produce such a video.
Trump has been seeking a lever on the immigration issue to make changes happen, and so far has been stopped by the Swamp.
No mention of how allowing unrestricted illegal immigration is Racist to Blacks, by increasing competition for many of the jobs their community seeks. There is a lot of anti immigrant animus in the Black community, reference the video from LA if the Black Lady beating up the elderly Latino man.
The Crack Emcee said...I said nothing about "giving criminals a bunch of money to stop threatening you" so what would make you think that's what I meant?
Maybe your saying it made me think you were saying it?
Seriously, why do you post when you obviously don't care in the slightest about convincing anyone of anything?
You want to claim you meant something different, go ahead and explain why my obvious and straightforward interpretation of your plain statement is inaccurate. Because, you know, insulting me is only going to confirm what I already think of you.
BTW, contained within my post is the secret of why you struggle so much in life (assuming you're not just another Althouse comment-section performance artist).
One reason why there is illegal immigration, is because Americans eat animals and drive on Ethanol, but Americans no longer harvest animals or corn.
Packing plants are almost 100% illegal aliens, except for the owners and managers.
Ethanol and Animals require corn, but Americans don't want to harvest corn.
Corn farming is almost 100% illegal aliens, except for owners and managers.
Thus, by eating animals and driving on alcohol, requires we allow a certain murder/rape/alien level to exist.
Become vegetarian!
Qwinn said...
"The last 50 years of the "Great Society" transferred billions of dollars from whites to blacks, Crack."
Patronizing me is NOT a good beginning.
"And we "framed" it in such a way that it wouldn't be offensive."
We? Who's we?
"But because we didn't explicitly frame it as "reparations", that doesn't count in your eyes."
It wasn't called reparations, because it wasn't reparations, so it doesn't count as reparations - and you're being tediously stupid now.
"Neither do the hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers who died in the Civil War. They don't. Count. At. All."
Not as reparations. As the price of this nation fucking with slavery, maybe, but not slavery. They've done nothing about slavery.
"So, I, for one, don't give a shit anymore."
So you, for one, are an idiot.
Althouse encapsulated:
Republicans Pounce
All salt is "sea salt", but the larger grain does affect flavor on mostly dry food.
Which position is more demagogic: 1) Immigrants are criminals. 2) People who are opposed to immigration are bigots...........I live in NYC. I have positive feelings about most of the immigrants I have met, and I'm sure that they're good people. That said, I think there's a down side to unlimited immigration and I don't think that someone who finds a way to sneak across the border, then has a constitutional right to remain here forever.......I won't live to see it, but I think if America becomes a white minority country, the whites will get screwed. Maybe over time racial issues will become less intense, but the historical record shows that minorities get screwed in just about every country and in just about every era. I don't want to be part of a minority......Crack: be glad you're not a Luo living in Kenya.
You say demagoguery like it's a bad thing.
TCE encapsulated:
Sea salt has a larger context you ignorant New Age supporting white people
The Cracker Emcee Rampant said...
"Wow, Crack. You just described, almost exactly, what the mass of White folks reflexively feel when they read about a Chicago weekend shooting bonanza."
Yeah, but see, I'm not doing it A) ignorantly, without understanding the issues and making my assumptions the point B) based on my proven hostility against them over centuries - which I lie and claim I'm all over now as I constantly try to one-up them C) while denying my own ancestors also went through a criminal phase - some in Chicago - where they shot up the joint and still became productive parts of American culture, and D) while being a racist hypocrite.
We're just different.
"Ethanol and Animals require corn, but Americans don't want to harvest corn.
Corn farming is almost 100% illegal aliens, except for owners and managers."
This is 1,000% wrong. One American citizen farmer (regardless of race) and farm hundreds of acres of corn all by himself. They have big machines to do the work. Dairy farming, on the other hand, is a different thing.
tim maguire said...
"Maybe your saying it made me think you were saying it?"
"Made you"? [Rolls eyes]
Yeah, I live in corn country. Illegals milk the cows, but harvesting corn is like mowing the lawn, one guy does it from the seat of a combine, if the combine is not driverless running by GPS.
“I use sea salt in the kitchen, because it has a larger grain and does not have iodine in it, thus improving the taste and mouth feel of the food. So?”
Sea salt certainly does contain iodide — as it should — just no added extra iodide like a lot of mined salts do. You’d be a fool to eliminate trace iodide from your diet. The taste and mouth feel you enjoy comes from other trace minerals.
Same with "Big Maple Syrup," it used to be teams of horses in the woods, then ATVs and snowmobiles, now it's mechanized (vacuum taps) and capital intensive.
William said...
"Crack: be glad you're not a Luo living in Kenya."
I've been all across the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans and never wished I wasn't anybody else. (Except for the French.) Only whites look at others and think less of them.
You're horrible people.
Birkel said...
"TCE encapsulated:
Sea salt has a larger context you ignorant New Age supporting white people"
So I'm the only person who knows there's a NewAge Movement, and it includes beliefs, and what foods to eat, clothes to wear, music to listen to, etc? Really? I'm the only one?
Or am I just the only one who had a need to understand it?
" Don't pretend people aren't murdered by Americans every day in this country. Don't use Ms. Tibbets' tragic murder by one scumbag to foment hate and hysteria against masses of people."
You don't get to tell people what to do, Cooktard, you unrepentant Stalinist cunt.
In 1957, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne Division to keep order in Little Rock, Ak and, I think, signaling that he might consider arresting the governor and taking over the state government, if necessary to maintain the supremacy of the Federal Constitution and established government, and Gov. Faubus folded.
In 1963, the Kennedys negotiated a deal with Gov. Wallace, also under the threat of sending in the Army, however much the Kennedys hated the thought of having to do so.
I don't think the current movements toward anarchy will abate until we again get an administration with the gumption to stand up for the Constitution of the United States.
Illegials pick corn kernal by kernal and put them in buckets. It's really labor intensive. It's hard to find Americans who will do the work.
Soybeans are hardly any better.
The Hostess wants us to be concerned only with the M13 who are truly violent not like the illegal aliens, one of who raped and murdered a cute white girl. Racist, much?
P.S. I loved the video.
Rhhardin wrote: “The problem with illegals is that they don't assimilate in the numbers that they're coming.”
If it’s true that Althouse suggested that roofers learn Spanish in order to compete, then I’d say she thinks the onus is on gringos to learn Spanish or to stop working.
Here's the wikipedia page for OSHO's Rajneesh cult, where the last sentence says "Rajneesh's teachings have had a notable impact on Western New Age thought" - what does that mean to you? Who is doing this "thought" they speak of? How many are there and what are they doing - do you know?
Does it mean I'm making it up? It must, the way you guys talk. Your every word is an attempt to minimize the idea they exist.
Sea salt certainly does contain iodide — as it should — just no added extra iodide like a lot of mined salts do
You are correct. I amend my statement to "no added iodine."
What if the federal government claimed the sole right to enforce laws against theft, then didn't enforce them as long as the thieves only stole from the working class?
We can, or Congress can, argue about what should be in our laws regarding immigration, controlled substances, etc. after we decide whether we are one country, or not.
Crack:Stop being stupid
You first.
""You know Crack, I must admit, I did not know that talking about a natural fiber was offensive."
It is when your family history is of being forced to pick it."
I know what you mean Crack, every time I see a triangle I get filled with rage at the treatment of my ancestors.
The touuuuuuuuuch the feeeeeeeeeeeel of cotton, the fabric of our lives. I assume that you hate Michael Jordan for shilling for those evil Hanes honkys?
Automation is available for Dairy farming, just like car washes, but it has been cheaper to use undocumented than automate.
A solution is import more guest workers.
A problem with the dairy industry is government price fixing.
What if the federal government claimed the sole right to enforce laws against theft, then didn't enforce them as long as the thieves only stole from the working class?
That's kind of what is happening now.
Begley retorted: “This is 1,000% wrong. One American citizen farmer (regardless of race) and farm hundreds of acres of corn all by himself.”
Are you saying that Etienne doesn’t know corn harvesting? I’ll bet he flew over more corn fields during his career than you’ve driven by up close in yours.
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