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August 11, 2018

At the Lotus Café...

... unfold.

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The Crack Emcee said...: I'm discovering, just as conservatives know 1 line, from 1 speech by Martin Luther King - and decided they're the experts on race = they also know 1 fact, from this 1 incident, and decided they're the experts on policing - while they're MILES AWAY on both.

That's the Republican problem right there: they revel in ignorance as wisdom.

Why don't they know the police force had been openly exploiting the entire town for the entirety of Michael Brown's life? Why aren't they pissed about it? Because it makes the lie, they currently tell, more appealing to whites? Where is their sense of justice? Do they have one? Do they have a connection to the people of this nation beyond as participants in THEIR racial battle ground? If so, you'd think they would've investigated this issue, and abandoned their lying, a long time ago, in the interest of social harmony, but noooooo!

Even understanding these creeps leads to a billion other questions about them,....; 8/11/18, 9:26 PM
Mike Sylwester said...: Song lyrics by Gus Kahn (1886 - 1941

-----

Tomorrow is Another Day

The day is through,
The sun descending
Has brought to you
No happy ending,

But you can face
The setting sun
And say:
"Tomorrow is another day."

You've had your share
of tears and trouble,
But every care
Will be a bubble,

If you can face
The setting sun
And say:
"Tomorrow is another day."

Some days,
A little ran must fall.
The skies can't all
Be blue.

Sometimes,
A little tear must fall
To make
A smile break through.

Today is gone.
It's all behind you.
A brighter dawn
Will surely find you,

If you can face
The setting sun
And say,
"Tomorrow is another day."

-----

The song in the 1937 movie "A Day at the Races"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lxq6ibu-ps; 8/11/18, 9:35 PM
buwaya said...: Because the point of the police isn't justice, but order.

As with the Guardia Civil that suppressed rural banditry in Spain. The men with "souls of patent leather", per Garcia Lorca.

They were disliked, but they were obeyed.; 8/11/18, 9:39 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: Alex Jones rants as an Indie folk song. Funny stuff.; 8/11/18, 9:41 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Inga,

It's hard to see how the Right criticizes the Left when they buddy up with the likes of Jones.

It screams of their lack of integrity.; 8/11/18, 9:45 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: “It screams of their lack of integrity.”

Well...yes.; 8/11/18, 9:48 PM
n.n said...: Yes, when a man assaults a worker, then his life is subject to constraints. When he resists and does not repent, his life is in his own hands.

Anyway, what is the common principle? Or is this a matter of diversity or color judgments including racism and other bigotry?; 8/11/18, 9:53 PM
Big Mike said...: I don't know, Crack. I don't know how many black people you've recruited to work for you, and I don't know how many you've arranged raises and/or promotions for. I do know that the black people I recruited to work for me -- and these were technical jobs, not make-work -- did not get the job because of their skin color nor did they get the job despite their skin color. They got the job because, based on their interviews with me, I believed that they were the right person to do the job. And I was never wrong. (I was sometimes wrong about women I hired, but that's another story.)

I also know that police officers have a deep-seated desire to make it home to their wives and families at the end of the shift. I understand that many of them make bad decisions under incredible stress, but I think that if your starting point is that cops are evil exploiters who need to be killed, then you're not a person to turn to for wisdom.

Yes, I am aware that the city of Ferguson, MO, chose to balance its budget by having the police come down hard on the residents over trivial offenses. Normally this gets fixed fairly quickly because the citizens vote out those politicians and the new people find alternative sources of revenue or cut the budget. For some reason this didn't work in Ferguson, perhaps because the politicians successfully sold the gullible, apparently including you, on the idea that it was all the fault of the police, and not the politicians to whom the police report. At any rate the turnout for the most recent mayoral election was 12% so I conclude that the citizens were comfortable with the notion of being prosecuted and fined for trivial offenses.; 8/11/18, 10:00 PM
J. Farmer said...: When Is 'Racism' Merely 'Ethnic Rivalry'?

Heather MacDonald's response to the DOJ Ferguson report.; 8/11/18, 10:12 PM
Sebastian said...: Another day, another Muslim outrage. Reported in the NYT, so you know it actually happened.

“A Dream Ended on a Mountain Road: The Cyclists and the ISIS Militants.”; 8/11/18, 10:15 PM
Birkel said...: Anybody want to talk about Bruce Ohr’s conversation with Christoper Steele?
And how Steele thought Mueller was on ‘Team Soft Coup’ for some inexplicable reason?; 8/11/18, 10:16 PM
cf said...: The mantra of Tibet is the mantra of the Dalai Lama, is also the mantra of Quan Yin, the Chinese "Boddhisattva*" oF Compassion. (*a thickening of the Boddhi, which is the Good that is always calling each heart)

The third line of the mantra is the word Padme, and translates by Ram Dass as "in the Lotus blossom"

I know "they say" mantras are powerful of themselves as sound and discipline, but the lesson of this mantra is vast and glorious, a feast for mind and spirit, and it includes a vision/understanding of a cosmic lotus ever emerging.

Funny, years of experimenting with it off and on, and just today it rang out in me in my car, haha, renewing the vision of all creation as a singular Radiant jewel and us as facets in it, along with every a Ford on the freeway and shoot of grass. So, when i see your pic here I must claim

SYNCHRONICITY
And all the biddhisattvas must be laughing too, they know a thing or two.
Worth a week of testing, see how it sprouts:
Aum manay padmay Hoom
All that is
Is a precious Jewel
In the Lotus
That blooms in my heart

Salud; 8/11/18, 10:24 PM
wildswan said...: I see that Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is now claiming that Puerto Ricans were colonized in the same way as Hawaiian islanders. In fact the Spanish came in and displaced the native Taino people in Puerto Rico. The Taino correspond to the native Hawaiian islanders. Ocasio-Cortez, OTOH, is descended from the Hispanic imperialists and so this is why her family came to the mainland and lived in Westchester, and why she did well in college and has now joined the ruling class in the House of Representatives.; 8/11/18, 10:26 PM
bagoh20 said...: "Why don't they know the police force had been openly exploiting the entire town for the entirety of Michael Brown's life?"

So why doesn't the whole town steal from and assault little old store keeps and then try to kill a cop?

If Brown attacked the cop due to a victimhood mentality taught to him his whole life, then who told him that sacrificing his life by attacking an armed man was a good way to deal with it, becuase the purveyors of that narrative got him killed. Personally, I just think he wanted to act tough in front of his companion, which he also just finished doing with the shopkeeper. If the reaction to Brown's death wasn't so driven by lies, it could have saved many young black men who could learn from it, but Black lives may not matter enough for that.; 8/11/18, 10:27 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Big Mike said...

“I think that if your starting point is that cops are evil exploiters who need to be killed, then you're not a person to turn to for wisdom.”

I think it’s sad white guys hear things (the guy with 3 cops for friends thinks “cops are evil exploiters who need to be killed”? How does that keep happening to me, as I talk to conservatives, exactly? Can it be, they’re refusing to hear anything but their own musings, and replacing what I say with them? It certainly seems like it. How’d they do on that 2012 Autopsy Report Mitt Romney presented us with? STILL haven’t gotten around to it? But they’re who we should “turn to for wisdom”? Fun-ny.)

“Yes, I am aware that the city of Ferguson, MO, chose to balance its budget by having the police come down hard on the residents over trivial offenses. Normally this gets fixed fairly quickly because the citizens vote out those politicians and the new people find alternative sources of revenue or cut the budget. For some reason this didn't work in Ferguson, perhaps because the politicians successfully sold the gullible, apparently including you, on the idea that it was all the fault of the police, and not the politicians to whom the police report. At any rate the turnout for the most recent mayoral election was 12% so I conclude that the citizens were comfortable with the notion of being prosecuted and fined for trivial offenses.”

Like it’s limited to Ferguson. And how many times will I be FORCED to list any number of reasons why blacks in America - the long-suffering descendants of slaves - don’t do what whites TAKE FOR GRANTED Americans know to do? I’m not going to do it again. I just can’t.

Stop crying about people kneeling at football games: you should be glad anybody likes you.; 8/11/18, 10:31 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said..

"Heather MacDonald's response to the DOJ Ferguson report."

She can do a good job but she's also full of shit: people were getting multiple tickets, while making a single trip home from work, and she's trying to justify it by claiming they're bad drivers? And you buy it?

I hate this place.; 8/11/18, 10:34 PM
narciso said...: I grant its not an easy life, deindustrialization had a lot to so with it.
Then again so is idolizing the thug life, what's your solution.; 8/11/18, 10:38 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: bagoh20 said...

"If Brown attacked the cop due to a victimhood mentality taught to him his whole life, then who told him that sacrificing his life by attacking an armed man was a good way to deal with it, becuase the purveyors of that narrative got him killed."

I know 12 year old black kids with more confidence than most of white America, so save your victim dogma for someone who buys it.

"Personally, I just think he wanted to act tough in front of his companion, which he also just finished doing with the shopkeeper."

But you're a particularly loathsome human being, so why should anyone care what you think? It's bound to be wrong. A simple "consider the source" analysis would say so.

"If the reaction to Brown's death wasn't so driven by lies, it could have saved many young black men who could learn from it, but Black lives may not matter enough for that."

An entire town of whites exploit all the blacks in their region, for centuries, and you think it's the blacks who need to learn something.

Like I said, loathsome.; 8/11/18, 10:39 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: bagoh20 said...

"If you had a teenage son of any race, and one of your friends was constantly telling him that cops are all murdering racists that hate him..."

Nobody's saying that - it's what you're hearing - because you're a loathsome human being.; 8/11/18, 10:41 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: We had our baby about two weeks ago. Finally caught up on sleep. Lovely baby girl, 8lbs and change and a bit over 20 inches. She was able to lift her head for extended periods within hours of birth, which I'm told is pretty amazing, but I have nothing to compare it to. Required an afternoon in the BiliBed on day 3, which had me quite nervous, but is also apparently routine. Again, hell if I know, but the doc's a good one. Not much personality yet aside from eating, sleeping, and pooping, but she does enjoy brightly colored lights and regards our pets with fascination, and those things I know to be good, so happiness. Momma is doing great, labor was semi-induced but birth was natural and the real action only took about 20-25 minutes (I'm certain it felt longer for her). No tearing, no complications - she took it like a champ and has taken up telling me that she feels empty down there, always with a wink. Numero Dos might not be far behind. That's all I really got for now.; 8/11/18, 10:44 PM
narciso said...: The lesson should be clear, parents should be telling their children not to engage in self destructive behavior, not this picture tripe that paints cops as the preeminent threat
.; 8/11/18, 10:47 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: narciso said...

"I grant its not an easy life, deindustrialization had a lot to so with it.
Then again so is idolizing the thug life, what's your solution."

Make whites stop committing crimes. Tupac idolized Jimmy Cagney, Machiavelli, a whole slew of white guys - notice the likes of bagoh20 don't notice them in their campaign to rid America of crime. Scientology is killing people, forcing women into abortions - infiltrating the government - and bagoh20 sees one culprit influencing blacks:

A victim mentality.

All the Wall Street types walked away clean, after collapsing the entire world economy, but the poor only see street gangstas as examples in bagoh20's world. They're the only ones not paying attention to the law, right, bagoh20? AND THEY MUST BE STOPPED!!!!

Pathetic.; 8/11/18, 10:48 PM
J. Farmer said...: @The Crack Emcee:

She can do a good job but she's also full of shit: people were getting multiple tickets, while making a single trip home from work, and she's trying to justify it by claiming they're bad drivers? And you buy it?

If blacks are, in fact, committing a disproportionate amount of traffic offenses, they will be disproportionately ticketed. That is an empirical question that can be studied and in fact has been studied on places like the New Jersey turnpike. The fact that blacks are disproportionately ticketed is not ipso facto evidence of racial bias on the part of the police department.

Compare the list of black majority countries to the UN's human development index. Apartheid was a deplorable policy that I wouldn't defend, but exactly how successful has post-Apartheid South Africa been? Haiti has been a black republic for over 200 years and remains the poorest country in the western hemisphere, significantly poorer than the other poor country it shares Hispaniola with. Look at large black majority areas like Detroit or Baltimore or Jackson or Miami Gardens. At some point, the collective result of individual black behavior is going to have to figure into the conversation, however uncomfortable it may be to those involved.; 8/11/18, 10:48 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: Big Mike said . . . "At any rate the turnout for the most recent mayoral election was 12% so I conclude that the citizens were comfortable with the notion of being prosecuted and fined for trivial offenses.”

The Crack Emcee said . . . "Like it’s limited to Ferguson. And how many times will I be FORCED to list any number of reasons why blacks in America - the long-suffering descendants of slaves - don’t do what whites TAKE FOR GRANTED Americans know to do? I’m not going to do it again. I just can’t."

Are you claiming that black people don't know how to vote because . . . slavery? Good Lord.; 8/11/18, 10:50 PM
Howard said...: I've talked my way out of a DUI and several speeding tix. I drive like the devil and hardly get pulled over. Cops like me because I've looked and acted like an LAPD fascist asshole since I got my learners permit.; 8/11/18, 10:51 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: J Farmer said . . . "That is an empirical question that can be studied and in fact has been studied on places like the New Jersey turnpike. The fact that blacks are disproportionately ticketed is not ipso facto evidence of racial bias on the part of the police department."

No. Apparently blacks are ticketed more because - (shuffles deck of cards, picks one) - slavery.; 8/11/18, 10:52 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: narciso said...

"The lesson should be clear, parents should be telling their children not to engage in self destructive behavior, not this picture tripe that paints cops as the preeminent threat"

Remember that famous film of Robert Kennedy going to the South and finally seeing what black poverty in America looked like? Those blacks got exposed to white hippies rebelling against America - why didn't white America stop the white hippies? And, if you tried and failed, who's fault was that? Black people's?

See, I'm of the mind black people didn't have many choices in the 60s, having been alive during that period. So we learned as we went along. Who'd we learn from? Whites. Y'al, set up the choices.

Blame yourselves for lessons learned.; 8/11/18, 10:53 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...
@The Crack Emcee:

"If blacks are, in fact, committing a disproportionate amount of traffic offenses, they will be disproportionately ticketed."

That's not what was happening. The fact you don't get that is mind-boggling.; 8/11/18, 10:56 PM
narciso said...: Yes it's been nearly 60 years, the bohemian lifestyle In the words of Edwin starr 'what is it good for, absolutely nothing say it again. What's your solution, go Angela Davis and abolish prisons?; 8/11/18, 10:57 PM
walter said...: Blogger Birkel said...Anybody want to talk about Bruce Ohr’s conversation with Christoper Steele? And how Steele thought Mueller was on ‘Team Soft Coup’ for some inexplicable reason?
--
What? That's soooo 2018!
We are dealing with Ferguson, donchaknow...or whatever else bolsters Crack's needy victim pathology.; 8/11/18, 10:57 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"Are you claiming that black people don't know how to vote because . . . slavery? Good Lord."

If your ENTIRE COMMUNITY has been exploited by the whites - using police violence - for centuries, what makes you think they see voting as a way out?

Whites used to hand a single black body in the public square to get entire towns of blacks to cooperate.

Y'all are so out of touch with America it's scary.; 8/11/18, 10:59 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: Howard said . . . "I've talked my way out of a DUI and several speeding tix."

One of my closest friends woke up in his running car, in his apartment complex parking lot, to flashing lights behind him at around 4AM. He was drunk as a skunk and had come back from the city. At some point, his RR tire had gone flat and he never knew, but the scuff marks and denting/bending showed he'd been rolling on his rim for a decent distance. I saw the pics he took. Anyway, the cop asked him questions, mugged him real real hard (his description) for about 5 minutes, and gave him a warning.

My friend is black as coal, the cop was white. This was in Lisle, IL. Regular ass suburb.

Sometimes ya get lucky.; 8/11/18, 10:59 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"That is an empirical question that can be studied and in fact has been studied on places like the New Jersey turnpike. The fact that blacks are disproportionately ticketed is not ipso facto evidence of racial bias on the part of the police department."

"No. Apparently blacks are ticketed more because - (shuffles deck of cards, picks one) - slavery."

Tell me: is the New Jersey turnpike split into 16 different jurisdictions so, if you have a burned out tail light, 16 different cops can ticket you for it - on a single drive home?

If not, fuck you and Heather McDonald because THAT'S what was going on around Ferguson.; 8/11/18, 11:01 PM
StephenFearby said...: Earlier in the day, Hot Air's John Sexton blogged on:

Surprisingly, NY Times’ Readers Are Bothered By Sarah Jeong’s Tweets

"I’ve been saying for a week now that the most disturbing thing about Sarah Jeong isn’t Jeong herself but the fact that so many on the progressive left have greeted her tweets with a collective shrug or worse, with excuses. So I’m both surprised and pleased to discover that a substantial number of readers of the NY Times have concerns about Jeong’s tweets... These comments appear in response to Bret Stephens’ column yesterday which simultaneously criticized Jeong’s tweets and welcomed her to the paper."

Stephen's opinion piece is titled

The Outrage Over Sarah Jeong
Let he who is without a bad tweet cast the first stone.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybmefsd4

Which garnered 1339 comments before they closed.

The most-liked Reader's Picks (ranked by the number of recommendations) start off with:

SMK (822)

While I agree someone should be hired on the totality of their work, it’d be nice to see some evidence of self discipline on their part to refrain from tweeting anything and everything that comes to mind.

110,000 tweets? Did she ever think of something and NOT say it?

Common Sense (753)

This author excuses the tweets as part of a body of work shared through Twitter that was poorly thought through, crafted in haste. Therefore the tweets don't count and this journalist must remain at the NYT. However what these tweets show is that this journalist consistently misused the tools of her craft - words and ideas - in a way that was shockingly immature. There's an old Sunday school lesson about gossiping and meanness: A pastor gives young children a tube of toothpaste and says squeeze. Then he says put the toothpaste back, which is clearly impossible. The lesson: Once words leave your mouth, or phone, they can't be taken back - they are permanent.

Respect your words. This journalist did not and should not remain at the NYT.

James (748)

My argument is a bit simpler. Of all the possible people to hire, I am certain that both the Atlantic and the New York Times could manage to find somebody who is both well qualified and does not have a record of hateful rhetoric. The search may have required just a bit more time and effort, but it would have been time and effort well spent.

Nancy (739)

Let he who is without a bad tweet cast the first stone.

[ Fine, then I will cast away.

The New York Times does not need to have a person who writes racist comments writing for the Times. ]

Anonymous (725)

Of course the tweets don't reflect the "core truth of who she is". I"m sure she's lovely - and was undoubtedly provoked - but that's not the point. This wasn't one racist tweet, it was a pattern of behavior; a choice. It's unfathomable to me that the NYT would put her on the editorial board. I'm dismayed, and that's why I canceled my subscription.

The NYT Picks section (NOT ranked by reader recommendations, but evidently by how much they adhere to NYT agitprop) starts off with:

Phyliss Dalmatian (63)

Times Pick
I have never been on Twitter, or even Facebook. Gasp. Therefore, I’m a qualified stone thrower. Let’s give her a chance, and see what happens. ONE second chance, that’s it. Don’t disappoint the avid readers and commenters. Seriously.

Both James (748) and Anonymous (725) comments above are included in the Time's Picks section, but failed to earn a high NYT subjective (agitprop) ranking.; 8/11/18, 11:04 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: narciso said...

"Yes it's been nearly 60 years, the bohemian lifestyle In the words of Edwin starr 'what is it good for, absolutely nothing say it again. What's your solution, go Angela Davis and abolish prisons?"

I'm not going to waste my time with stupidity or attitudes put on me that don't reflect my own. Y'all can either respond to what I'M SAYING or not, but I will not be addressing your racist musings that I'm of the "Angela Davis" type. You know better.

You're white folks and you simply like lying.; 8/11/18, 11:04 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: "If your ENTIRE COMMUNITY has been exploited by the whites - using police violence - for centuries, what makes you think they see voting as a way out?"

Maybe because that's the message that celebrities, politicians, teachers, and others have been pushing on ALL youth, especially minority youth, for decades? Maybe because Obama himself tried to get that message out? Maybe because Oprah tried to get that message out? Maybe because football players, basketball players, famous and successful black people, rappers, entrepreneurs, have ALL been pushing towards minority communities for decades?

I mean, at what point is it the audience's fault for being too ignorant to heed the message? Blacks didn't seem to have problems voting in Atlanta or Baltimore, and there are plenty of black "influencers" on social media these days, all of them sporting "I Voted" stickers.

Or do they really need Rev. Al to bring down busses and hand out cigarettes to actually get off their asses and vote? Is that how it needs to happen?; 8/11/18, 11:05 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: Sarah Jeong said . . . "You're white folks and you simply like lying."

Whatever.; 8/11/18, 11:07 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: My bad - that should've read "Y'all are white folks who simply like lying."

There are many who don't.; 8/11/18, 11:07 PM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: Drudge right now:

Jury Rules ROUNDUP Caused Groundskeeper's Cancer...

Orders MONSANTO To Pay $290M In Damages...

'Acted with malice or oppression'...

Great. Now the lawyers are about to destroy US agriculture.; 8/11/18, 11:08 PM
narciso said...: Some more curious investigations from the data miner, follow the link you find his credentials, in the top left link:

https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2018/03/13/so-how-long-is-that-staff-of-ra-2-2/; 8/11/18, 11:08 PM
J. Farmer said...: @The Cracker Emcee:

That's not what was happening. The fact you don't get that is mind-boggling.

I have no idea "what was happening," and you don't either. We can both guess but that and 3 bucks will get you a gallon of milk. My point (actually MacDonald's but I agree with) is that without a parallel study of black offending, rates of stops or tickets can only give you a piece of the picture. But how about the rest of my comment:

Compare the list of black majority countries to the UN's human development index. Apartheid was a deplorable policy that I wouldn't defend, but exactly how successful has post-Apartheid South Africa been? Haiti has been a black republic for over 200 years and remains the poorest country in the western hemisphere, significantly poorer than the other poor country it shares Hispaniola with. Look at large black majority areas like Detroit or Baltimore or Jackson or Miami Gardens. At some point, the collective result of individual black behavior is going to have to figure into the conversation, however uncomfortable it may be to those involved.

Thoughts?

Also, to take a different tack, what do you think explains the inequality within the black community. That is, what do you think best explains why some blacks succeed and others fail given that all blacks live within the same racialized system?

p.s. Just to put it on the table, my entire career has been on the social services side of criminal justice and child welfare. 80+% of my clients have been black, and I have probably myself completed over 3,000 evaluations (interviews of the youth, families, teachers, and court officials, plus review of school, medical, and legal records, and standardized testing including intelligence, personality, and risk assessment) in the course of my career with my company completing several multiples of that.; 8/11/18, 11:09 PM
narciso said...: Well that's what they did with ddt thanks to Rachel Carson.; 8/11/18, 11:10 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: The Crack Emcee said . . . "Tell me: is the New Jersey turnpike split into 16 different jurisdictions so, if you have a burned out tail light, 16 different cops can ticket you for it - on a single drive home?

If not, fuck you and Heather McDonald because THAT'S what was going on around Ferguson."

And we're back to doing the civic thing and voting out the idiots who thought that was a good idea. Or complaining in a public forum. Or taking your story to the media. Getting 16 tickets for the same thing on your drive home would certainly qualify as "man bites dog", and with the climate of social justice among liberals (and this is the media we're talking here), that story would become news.

But even a moment's thought would tell you that further unlawful action would be the least wise choice for one to make.

Could nobody spare a moment's thought?; 8/11/18, 11:13 PM
William said...: I know people who move out of town because there are too many Michael Browns in town. There are people who resent the cops but that doesn't cause them to move. An abusive cop is a lot easier to negotiate with than Michael Brown in a bad mood.......There's no way you will ever get the majority of white people to believe that Michael Brown is some kind of Emmett Till. I saw an interview with that friend who went to the store with him. The interviewer asked why he didn't disassociate himself from Michael after the store theft. The friend said that Michael was not the kind of guy you wanted to cross. The interviewer didn't pursue the subject. My guess is that that store clerk is not the only person Michael ever strong armed in his life. But you will never hear from them. I don't read this as demonstrative of the purity of Michael's life, but rather as an example of the media's bias. They were certainly eager to reveal every detail of Zimmerman's fucked up domestic life. The Brown and Treyvon Martin families don't look to be paragons of domestic tranquillity but it's not the kind of subject journalists win Pulitzers investigating.; 8/11/18, 11:16 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"Maybe because that's the message that celebrities, politicians, teachers, and others have been pushing on ALL youth, especially minority youth, for decades?"

That doesn't mean anybody BELIEVES it. Jeez.

"Maybe because Obama himself tried to get that message out?"

So? I didn't vote for him - twice. Wake-the-fuck-up.

"Maybe because Oprah tried to get that message out?"

She also does seminars with Deepak Chopra - you signing up?

"Maybe because football players, basketball players, famous and successful black people, rappers, entrepreneurs, have ALL been pushing towards minority communities for decades?"

What's that got to do with the nonsense in Ferguson? Doesn't it follow that, if Ferguson has been doing their racist shit for centuries, television wasn't much a force against it? of what are you saying? Has television been broadcasting this story the way it should've been? No. So what makes you think everyone's aware of what they can do to fight it?

Y'all are delusional.

"I mean, at what point is it the audience's fault for being too ignorant to heed the message?"

Ask the women shopping at GOOP.

"Blacks didn't seem to have problems voting in Atlanta or Baltimore, and there are plenty of black "influencers" on social media these days, all of them sporting "I Voted" stickers."

But - surprise - we're not talking about blacks in the Big City. We're talking about isolated blacks, in poverty, with bad schools and few options, and - most importantly - whites with little to no oversight.

Funny - none of you wonder, or probably can explain, why hurting their black neighbors in that situation is always whites choice - weird.

"Or do they really need Rev. Al to bring down busses and hand out cigarettes to actually get off their asses and vote? Is that how it needs to happen?"

How many times must I mention my white friend who's a cop, screaming about Al Sharpton, as an indication of when he's gone totally racist?

Racists need to wash that man out of your brains: he's taken up residence.; 8/11/18, 11:17 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"Or taking your story to the media."

IT'S IN THE MEDIA - YOU DON'T CARE.

You want to fight the story and blame blacks for the crimes white commit.; 8/11/18, 11:20 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"I have no idea "what was happening," and you don't either."

That's not what the Department of Justice said. Now, who's more credible: them - who were there - or Heather McDonald on the New Jersey turnpike?; 8/11/18, 11:21 PM
walter said...: "They were certainly eager to reveal every detail of Zimmerman's fucked up domestic life."
And they were pretty taken with years younger childhhod pics of Trayvon. And NBC showed it's editing prowess re the 911 recording.; 8/11/18, 11:22 PM
J. Farmer said...: @Cracker Emcee:

Okay, I'll concede. Blacks in Ferguon, Missouri were harassed by a police force using them for revenue generation. So I have responded to you. Please be so kind to reciprocate. I'll repeat...

Compare the list of black majority countries to the UN's human development index. Apartheid was a deplorable policy that I wouldn't defend, but exactly how successful has post-Apartheid South Africa been? Haiti has been a black republic for over 200 years and remains the poorest country in the western hemisphere, significantly poorer than the other poor country it shares Hispaniola with. Look at large black majority areas like Detroit or Baltimore or Jackson or Miami Gardens. At some point, the collective result of individual black behavior is going to have to figure into the conversation, however uncomfortable it may be to those involved.

Thoughts?

Also, to take a different tack, what do you think explains the inequality within the black community. That is, what do you think best explains why some blacks succeed and others fail given that all blacks live within the same racialized system?; 8/11/18, 11:23 PM
narciso said...: Now the fellow I have mist sympathy was Eric garner, he was just trying to make a living:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1002252/Boris-Johnson-burka-latest-news-conservative-party-poll-results; 8/11/18, 11:24 PM
walter said...: Holder's DOJ...; 8/11/18, 11:26 PM
narciso said...: And and with the video, and the new York Times with the call transcript,; 8/11/18, 11:26 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: I don't care who you voted for, and if people don't want to believe celebrities and businessmen and politicians when they encourage you to vote, that is ALL on them. Not my fault, not my problem. Quite simply, if people don't bother voting, their complaints have no standing. You got tickets driving home? Too bad, so sad. Fix your damn taillight next time.

No whites that I know have any intention of hurting their neighbors, regardless of race. However, scores of black people were shot in Chicago last weekend (and the count this weekend is rising), and I would bet you that every single one was shot by a black person, usually in the same neighborhood. So who the fuck is out hurting - nay - killing their neighbors now? And I have no interest whatsoever in any attempt to pin THAT on white people either, because nobody is telling these "yoots" to pull the triggers.

Believe me, I'd love to wash Al Sharpton out of my brain. But see, he's a person who exists and is/was influential to a large degree within certain black communities, which makes him consequential, which means I don't give a single shit about what you feel mentioning his name indicates. That's a weak attempt to declare something off-limits, and it just falls completely flat.; 8/11/18, 11:26 PM
bagoh20 said...: "Nobody's saying that"

Bullshit. And denying it is denying responsibility and therefore denying a solution. I see people by the hundreds marching and loudly chanting for the killing of cops. Do they feel justified in that for getting loitering tickets or some poor treatment they heard about in the 1960's? We all know what's being said, becuase it's done publicly, and loudly on purpose. Don't expect people outside that community to take responsibility for what they do to themselves.

FYI: your adherence to lame arguments makes your personal insults impotent. Save the keystrokes for someone who gives shit.; 8/11/18, 11:26 PM
narciso said...: It's a similar dynamic in st. Denis or malbeek or Tottenham to use there European examples.; 8/11/18, 11:29 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"Compare the list of black majority countries to the UN's human development index. Apartheid was a deplorable policy that I wouldn't defend, but exactly how successful has post-Apartheid South Africa been?"

You guys are INSANE. How long has South Africa been under apartheid? So how long are you giving those abused people to get themselves together? Sorting out lives filled with mass murders, torture, financial crime of all kinds, and whatnot? Let me guess:

Enough time for you to grow sympathetic for the whites.

"Haiti has been a black republic for over 200 years and remains the poorest country in the western hemisphere, significantly poorer than the other poor country it shares Hispaniola with."

Let's see - Haiti. That's the place where people are forced to pay reparations to France for freeing the slaves - themselves - and America, this beacon of justice to the world, has stood aside and let it happen, right?

I repeat: INSANE.

"Look at large black majority areas like Detroit or Baltimore or Jackson or Miami Gardens."

All places blacks ended up - not always by choice - running from the South to find "the law" that seems like a mirage. Let me guess: you think those are our beloved homes that we willingly chose to settle in, huh?

That is an INSANE level of ignorance of American history.

"At some point, the collective result of individual black behavior is going to have to figure into the conversation, however uncomfortable it may be to those involved."

A white behavior?

Perish the thought there's anything wrong with the people who used to lynch us for fun at picnics while letting their kids kick Indian skulls down the street.; 8/11/18, 11:31 PM
Francisco D said...: "I hate this place."

But, you have chosen this place for your therapy.

Ambivalence is a bitch.; 8/11/18, 11:34 PM
walter said...: Bottom line with Crack is he will ALWAYS have the past.
You can't take that away from him..yew damn raaaaacists.; 8/11/18, 11:38 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: I don't think any white kids were kicking Indian skulls down the street while a black man hung from a noose nearby. Pretty sure that's a load of racist bullshit, but I'm beginning to see that this is par for the course.; 8/11/18, 11:38 PM
narciso said...: I think jim crow was worse than slavery, because it happened after the tremendous sacrifice of the civil war, so where do we go from here?; 8/11/18, 11:39 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"No whites that I know have any intention of hurting their neighbors,..."

Pauline Kael didn't know anyone who voted for Nixon, either.

Funny how that didn't prove anything, either, except she, too, didn't hang with enough people she might not agree with.; 8/11/18, 11:40 PM
narciso said...: Good news one of Michael browns relatives is running for city council, the one that assaulted another.; 8/11/18, 11:44 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: bagoh20 said...

"I see people by the hundreds marching and loudly chanting for the killing of cops."

And you focus on them and not the MILLIONS of blacks, like me, who stay home. Much like the folks who see the 100 idiots at the Unite The Right rally but miss the millions who stay home, right? In other words:

You're no different than the libs you hate.

"Do they feel justified in that for getting loitering tickets or some poor treatment they heard about in the 1960's?"

Maybe. Do you have family, or feel kinship with others, who couldn't get justice in the past? Think you should let it lie? Think their families did, just because you "moved on"? INSANE.

"We all know what's being said, becuase it's done publicly, and loudly on purpose. Don't expect people outside that community to take responsibility for what they do to themselves."

Even if those 'OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY" caused the problems? It's not like blacks set up these regimes we hate.

"FYI: your adherence to lame arguments makes your personal insults impotent. Save the keystrokes for someone who gives shit."

He starts out conceding he's wrong, and ends talking shit - and then wonders why whites are hated.

That's why.; 8/11/18, 11:46 PM
J. Farmer said...: @Cracker Emcee:

The so called East Asian "tigers" went from underdeveloped backwaters to some of the most dynamic economies in the world with high standards of living in 30 years. Such time frames are not unreasonable.

Now let's compare sub-Saharan Africa, from which the black diaspora emerges. From Michael H. Hart's book Understanding Human History:

The entire secluded zone was a primitive and backward region. This was true not
just in 1500, but even in the early 19th century when European explorers first penetrated
it. Here are some aspects of that backwardness:

1) Although there were some towns, there were no sizable cities.
2) There were no wheeled vehicles, nor did they use the potter’s wheel. In fact,
there were no mechanical contrivances with moving parts, such as scissors or hinges.
3) They had not devised means of joining together pieces of wood.
4) There were no coins or money.
5) Although cattle were raised, they were not used as beasts of burden, and there
were no draft animals.
6) There was not a single written language in the entire region.
7) As a result, there were no law codes, no philosophical works, and no literature.
Nor was there any orally-composed epic poetry, such as the Iliad.
8) There was no mathematics other than simple arithmetic.
9) Only primitive methods of construction were known. There were no domes or
arches. Little use was made of stone, and there were no temples or large monuments.
Nor were there any schools, hospitals, libraries, or paved roads. The most noteworthy
example of construction in the secluded zone are the ruins of Great Zimbabwe, which
cover over 60 acres (about a tenth of a square mile). However, in comparison with what we find in other regions — such as Machu Picchu in South America, or the remarkable
complex at Angkor Wat in Cambodia, or the large cities and religious buildings found
in Mesoamerica — these are third rate, both in size and in quality. Indeed, the giant
statues found on Easter Island (a tiny, isolated island in Polynesia) are more impressive
than anything found in the entire secluded zone of SSA.
10) The maritime skills of the inhabitants were very limited. They never reached
the Cape Verde Islands, just a few hundred miles off the West African coast. More
surprisingly, the Africans failed to reach Madagascar (an enormous island, about 1000
miles long, that lies only 250 miles off the East African coast). Madagascar remained
uninhabited until it was settled by people coming from Indonesia — more than 3000
miles away, on the other side of the Indian Ocean — about 500 AD.

What do you think explains such a large development gap between sub-Saharan Africa and the rest of the world 200 years ago and prior to European contact?; 8/11/18, 11:48 PM
narciso said...: Why because they are the majority, similar to the Russians over the Chechens the Chinese over the uygur.; 8/11/18, 11:49 PM
buwaya said...: Haiti in the early 19th century was the contemporary equivalent of a petro-state.

And Haiti was the most important of the sugar colonies. Think Saudi Arabia. Sugar was huge money. That why European nations wasted tens of thousands of soldiers lives, over and over again for two centuries, fighting over sugar islands. Armies died there.

And who knows how many slaves lives. Out in the sugar islands men were replaced when worn out, as the populations required for the work were not self sustaining.; 8/11/18, 11:49 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: I'm talking to people who KNOW even David Bowie wondered why Michael Jackson couldn't get on MTV - in the 80s - and they're still pretending racism and any lack of advancement is black's fault in America - but they're insisting they're not racist.

It's madness.; 8/11/18, 11:53 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"The so called East Asian "tigers" went from underdeveloped backwaters to some of the most dynamic economies in the world with high standards of living in 30 years. Such time frames are not unreasonable."

Apples and oranges. AKA INSANE.; 8/11/18, 11:54 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: narciso said . . . "Good news one of Michael browns relatives is running for city council, the one that assaulted another."

OMG, I forgot about that assault. It was even on video.

I hope they catch the white devil that forced her to assault her own family member. He really needs to be punished.; 8/11/18, 11:56 PM
J. Farmer said...: And how about sub-saharan African lagging far behind the entire rest of the world less than 200 years ago and prior to European contact?; 8/11/18, 11:56 PM
narciso said...: Really i must have imagined all those video,
I supposed 'beat It' was our fault as with west side story.; 8/11/18, 11:57 PM
Kyzer SoSay said...: The Crack Emcee said . . . "Funny how that didn't prove anything, either, except she, too, didn't hang with enough people she might not agree with."

Funny how you sidestep my observation about who is really hurting their neighbors. I'm sure you're still looking for a white person to blame. Take your time.; 8/11/18, 11:58 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"I don't think any white kids were kicking Indian skulls down the street while a black man hung from a noose nearby. Pretty sure that's a load of racist bullshit, but I'm beginning to see that this is par for the course."

What white folks don't know about their own depravity could fill volumes. Next you'll be telling me King Leopold wasn't slicing off limbs in the Congo.

Whites are so civilized.; 8/11/18, 11:58 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: narciso said...

"Really i must have imagined all those video,
I supposed 'beat It' was our fault as with west side story."

And you can't deduce that was AFTER Bowie spoke? You're STUPID.; 8/12/18, 12:00 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: J Farmer said . . . "And how about sub-saharan African lagging far behind the entire rest of the world less than 200 years ago and prior to European contact?"

You, sir, are guilty of Noticing Things. This is a serious crimethink. Your penance will be fifteen chants of "Si Se Puede" and four back-to-back viewings of "American History X".; 8/12/18, 12:01 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"And how about sub-saharan African lagging far behind the entire rest of the world less than 200 years ago and prior to European contact?"

You're doing the Thomas Sowell deal now - running around the world, trying to distract from what Americans do.

This is not how you win friends and influence people.; 8/12/18, 12:02 AM
narciso said...: That's the west fault, I remember this riff 'the question is moot,' by Jesse Jackson in 1984 on Saturday night live.; 8/12/18, 12:04 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: "What white folks don't know about their own depravity could fill volumes. Next you'll be telling me King Leopold wasn't slicing off limbs in the Congo."

And the continued genocides, involving deeds far more serious and gruesome than amputation, often carried out by child soldiers, are his fault too, right?

The fact that African youths are sometimes referred to as "Kalash" because of the prevalence of children carrying AK-47s?

Jean Bedel Bokassa?

Oh wait, his gruesome crimes were forgiven by the Central African Republic. So I guess it's all good.

Yeah, compared to that, methinks white people are by and large pretty damn civilized.

Barbarians don't invent steam engines and land men on the moon.; 8/12/18, 12:05 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: It should be obvious that only one of you - 1 - has been willing to acknowledge whites have played any negative role in black lives, even understanding Jim Crow laws and such extended far past the acknowledged timelines we write in history books. It's all blacks and our silly yet wiley ways.

Disgusting.; 8/12/18, 12:05 AM
walter said...: Poor Crack. Mn without a home..though he says he holes up there.
Is that new tune posted?
I'm hoping it alludes to wishing I get hurt.
Fun!; 8/12/18, 12:05 AM
narciso said...: Now we are looking at comparative models across whole regions of the world?; 8/12/18, 12:06 AM
walter said...: But yeah..that Leopold II was a sumbitch..; 8/12/18, 12:07 AM
walter said...: (it's known Belgian trait..); 8/12/18, 12:08 AM
bagoh20 said...: If you really care about young black mens' lives, it doesn't matter what I or anybody else who's not one of them hears, or sees, or focuses on. What matter is what young blacks hear, see, and focus on. It doesn't take the whole black community sending the wrong message to get lots of these men killed. It just takes enough in the right places and at the right volume. Most young black men are not resisting arrests, or pulling guns on cops, or shooting each other, and the ones who avoid that life are the ones listening to other messages, hearing them, and believing them. The ones getting killed are the ones listening to the victimhood, hopelessness, anger, and scapegoating. Who wouldn't be violent and doomed with that mentality? I don't believe most Blacks accept it in their hearts, at least not enough to sacrifice themselves, but too many do.; 8/12/18, 12:08 AM
buwaya said...: Jared Diamond tries to explain the development gaps, several of them and not just in relation to Africa, in "Guns, Germs and Steel", which I find mostly a collection of "just so" stories.

Africans did in fact have steel, made in bellows-driven bloomeries, followed by smithy work for carburization, not significantly different from European techniques, from a very early period, certainly during the Mediterranean classical period. They could even forge gun barrels in the 18th century. Its a curious thing that this tech was common but so many others were unknown.

The curious thing about most of Africa is that it was left alone for so long by the colonizers. It was so close, but for the most part unexploitable. The Europeans had taken all of SE Asia, India, the Americas, the bulk of the Eurasian land mass, just about any island worth having, anywhere on Earth, before anyone bothered with the interior of Africa. Disease was a very powerful defense.; 8/12/18, 12:09 AM
J. Farmer said...: @The Cracker Emcee:

You're doing the Thomas Sowell deal now - running around the world, trying to distract from what Americans do.

This is not how you win friends and influence people.

Perhaps the answer to why sub-Saharan Africans lagged so far behind the rest of the world prior to any European contact has explanatory power for blacks. For example, sub-Saharan Africans and Australian aborigines have the lowest mean IQs of any ethnic group on the planet. Around half of black Americans have IQs under 85. Virtually every region of the planet (e.g. The Americas, Europe, and most of Asia) remains significantly more developed than sub-Saharan African. And then of course, there is the fact that sub-Saharan Africa was so quickly overrun and subdued by foreign powers.; 8/12/18, 12:09 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"The continued genocides, involving deeds far more serious and gruesome than amputation, often carried out by child soldiers, are his fault too, right?"

Whites make the arms. Whites sell the arms. Whites limited the educations when they were in charge - causing violence to be a first option for many decisions later. Whites usually stole all the resources, causing blacks to fight over the spoils - no, whites had nothing to do with any of this. Not after centuries of exploitation. None.

"The fact that African youths are sometimes referred to as "Kalash" because of the prevalence of children carrying AK-47s? "

How did we get in Africa? Oh yes - I'm talking to white Americans about problems in America made by white folks.

OF COURSE THEIR NON-RACIST ASSES ARE GOING TO END UP IN AFRICA!!!

"Barbarians don't invent steam engines and land men on the moon."

No - they invite Nazis over to show them how to do all kinds of things: build rockets, exploit the "experiments" they did on the Jews, etc.

Yeah, you guys are the greatest - and innocent as lambs - covered in blood.; 8/12/18, 12:11 AM
J. Farmer said...: @buwaya:

Jared Diamond tries to explain the development gaps, several of them and not just in relation to Africa, in "Guns, Germs and Steel", which I find mostly a collection of "just so" stories.

The problem with Guns, Germs, and Steel's thesis is that the factors that supposedly favored Europe over Africa should also have favored Africa over Mesoamerica. Yet Mesoamerica was more developed than sub-Saharan Africa.; 8/12/18, 12:13 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: bagoh20 said...

"The ones getting killed are the ones listening to the victimhood, hopelessness, anger, and scapegoating."

Forget the Republican's 2012 Autopsy, that you guys ignored because it said you're the same bunch of racists you're acting like here, and try this suggestion:

Wipe the word "victim" out of your mouths, because, if you're facing a people who KNOW they've been abused by whites for 400 years - with only a reprieve during the last 50 or so - nobody will trust you, but the old fools you love now, like "Uncle "Thomas Sowell.

NOBODY.; 8/12/18, 12:17 AM
The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...: "Whites used to hand a single black body in the public square to get entire towns of blacks to cooperate."

Now they barely sustain them with sawdust and chicken feed and drag them out every two to four years to vote. Freakin' Democrats. A leopard can't change it's spots.; 8/12/18, 12:18 AM
J. Farmer said...: @The Crack Emcee:

Imagine you were made King of America and had total executive, legislative, and judicial power. What reforms would you enact that you believe would be successful in closing the development gap between black and white Americans?; 8/12/18, 12:20 AM
J. Farmer said...: And I repeat an earlier question of mine that you did not respond to.

What do you think explains the inequality within the black community. That is, what do you think best explains why some blacks succeed and others fail given that all blacks live within the same racialized system?; 8/12/18, 12:20 AM
bagoh20 said...: "It should be obvious that only one of you - 1 - has been willing to acknowledge whites have played any negative role in black lives..."

First, that's bullshit, but you say it every night anyway. The country has no other obsession that even comes close to the self-flagellation of white people, and the reminding by Blacks. It's everywhere all the time: education, government, media, music, movies, literature, etc, ect. What gets as much attention as racism. What?
Second, it obviously doesn't matter how many of us acknowledge the past long before these kids were even born. In fact, I think all the attention it gets is helping get these kids killed. It justifies them acting stupidly. People are sending that deadly message, and that's what needs to be admitted to.; 8/12/18, 12:22 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: See, that clip of Bowie was from 1983. So, we know, in 1983, even he thought discrimination was going on and had to be challenged - unlike you Americans who were fine with MTV as it was - non-racist folks that you are.

So - that was 35 years ago - but you guys think you've fixed 400 years of problems from lynchings, crime, rape, and all the other shit we know whites did in that time. Though you, yourselves, are more-than-a-little reluctant to help.

Just incredible.; 8/12/18, 12:23 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: bagoh20 said...

"It should be obvious that only one of you - 1 - has been willing to acknowledge whites have played any negative role in black lives..."

"First, that's bullshit, but you say it every night anyway."

Nope. On this thread, only J. Farmer has acknowledgededged the evidence. The rest of you are the typical obstanant assholes white men are famous for being.

Delusional racists attacking a black man - whee! - a typical Saturday night in America for centuries.; 8/12/18, 12:25 AM
bagoh20 said...: The 400 hundred years cannot be changed. Now what? Re-live it over and over. Yea, that will help. It's doing wonders.; 8/12/18, 12:25 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: "Whites make the arms. Whites sell the arms."

Blacks load the arms. Blacks pull the trigger.

A white guy made my guns, probably. They haven't massacred a village yet. Maybe its a layabout though - I should check. Damn lazy guns.; 8/12/18, 12:26 AM
bagoh20 said...: Now it's just pathetic. No progress, no learning. A typical Saturday night in America with one specific black man.; 8/12/18, 12:28 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Did you guys forget there was a 2012 Autopsy that said you were racists - or are you ignoring it?

I'd like a little clarity on that one. I'm thinking, being racists, you're ignoring it.

Clarification, please.; 8/12/18, 12:29 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: My guns are also too lazy to vote, but they blame it on an antique Mauser.; 8/12/18, 12:30 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: bagoh20 said...

"The 400 hundred years cannot be changed. Now what? Re-live it over and over. Yea, that will help. It's doing wonders."

Well, ignoring it sure hasn't made you guys experts on the subject.; 8/12/18, 12:30 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: "Did you guys forget there was a 2012 Autopsy that said you were racists - or are you ignoring it?"

We're laughing at it. It's a constant source of amusement. A good farce will do that to ya.; 8/12/18, 12:31 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"Whites make the arms. Whites sell the arms."

"Blacks load the arms. Blacks pull the trigger."

Who made the conflict?

Keep digging, Kyzer, you'll get there.; 8/12/18, 12:32 AM
J. Farmer said...: Uncle Thomas Sowell, as you so affectionately call him, lived in North Carolina from 1930 to 1939 before moving to Harlem. He was the first person in his family to be educated past the 6th grade. He attended Harvard and Columbia in the late 1950s.

So what is it that you think separates the Thomas Sowell's from the Michael Brown's?; 8/12/18, 12:32 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: It was also reported in 2012 that Mitt Romney helped give some dude cancer. That was pretty funny as well.; 8/12/18, 12:33 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Kyzer SoSay said...

"Did you guys forget there was a 2012 Autopsy that said you were racists - or are you ignoring it?"

We're laughing at it. It's a constant source of amusement. A good farce will do that to ya.

Good enough. You laugh at your own report on yourselves. Then don't expect anyone to trust you.

We're done, Kyzer.; 8/12/18, 12:33 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: "Who made the conflict?"

Pretty sure the black people who were doing the shooting made and continued the conflict.; 8/12/18, 12:34 AM
Kyzer SoSay said...: "Good enough. You laugh at your own report on yourselves. Then don't expect anyone to trust you."

Yes, we laugh. Because the report is wrong. It's a lame mea culpa, pushed by Establishment types looking for things to apologize for and hitting the "racism" square on the dartboard. Nothing more. Your faith in it as Gospel is even more amusing.; 8/12/18, 12:36 AM
buwaya said...: I dont know - this may have been more common 40 years ago, I don't know how it is now.

But it is a productive idea for a minority to see itself as a nation-in-a nation, and adopt a development plan separately, if it cannot lose its identity within the greater identity.

That is, education/HR development, community separation and control, cultural development. It seems to me that the tools are in place, in many places populations are already separate, largely, up to the city and county level, and indeed the old institutions oriented to this strategy are already in place, up to the university level.

Black nationalism was not such a crazy idea forty years ago.; 8/12/18, 12:37 AM
bagoh20 said...: Yea, that's what I would tell my black teenage son: Some white guys on line didn't sufficiently acknowledge racism tonight, so you can do whatever you want out there. Just remember: no justice - no peace. Crack some heads. I love you, son.; 8/12/18, 12:37 AM
J. Farmer said...: @buwaya:

Black nationalism was not such a crazy idea forty years ago.

It is not such a crazy idea today. If you look at black American's civil rights struggles in the 20th century, you can largely divide them into two camps: the side supported by Booker T. Washington and the side advocated by W.E.B. DuBois. Washington's vision, as described in the Atlanta compromise, seems to have won out.; 8/12/18, 12:43 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"Uncle Thomas Sowell, as you so affectionately call him, lived in North Carolina from 1930 to 1939 before moving to Harlem."

Yes, yes - he slept on a fire escape - blah, blah, blah.

"He was the first person in his family to be educated past the 6th grade."

I'm the first in mine - what does that tell you about progress?

"He attended Harvard and Columbia in the late 1950s."

Good for him. Blacks striving make me happy.

"So what is it that you think separates the Thomas Sowell's from the Michael Brown's?"

Oh, it gets tiring filling in your imaginations for you - Thomas Sowell never had to deal with a backlash for not being respectable enough, because he knew what whites expected of him and did it - he wasn't free yet and didn't plan on being or seem to desire it until it came - that's not how most blacks feel or felt. I'm sure - because he never said so - no white person ever hit him over the head for listening to Jazz as I was for listening to black music. I could go on and on and on. Thomas Sowell grew up in specific places and times, unique to his experience. They don't apply to all blacks, or even most, but y'all keep pretending white's favorite black is our oracle as well. He's not a bad guy but, as I keep pointing out, whites don't know how to ask him follow-up questions, so his comforting bullshit satisfies them as "insightful answers" when most blacks are left frustrated the old coot never comes to us for questioning.; 8/12/18, 12:43 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: BTW - I think the fact that you NEVER see Thomas Sowell addressing a black audience is deliberate.

It would destroy his image in a heartbeat.

And not a hostile audience, just an informed one - which white conservatives are not.; 8/12/18, 12:47 AM
J. Farmer said...: Two questions from upthread that remain unanswered:

1) Imagine you were made King of America and had total executive, legislative, and judicial power. What reforms would you enact that you believe would be successful in closing the development gap between black and white Americans?

2) What do you think explains the inequality within the black community. That is, what do you think best explains why some blacks succeed and others fail given that all blacks live within the same racialized system and are inheritors of the injustices of slavery and the Jim Crow era?; 8/12/18, 12:48 AM
Bruce Hayden said...: “The curious thing about most of Africa is that it was left alone for so long by the colonizers. It was so close, but for the most part unexploitable. The Europeans had taken all of SE Asia, India, the Americas, the bulk of the Eurasian land mass, just about any island worth having, anywhere on Earth, before anyone bothered with the interior of Africa. Disease was a very powerful defense.”

I think that the latter was very significant. Malaria, for one, was very often fatal for Europeans. A significant portion of the sub-Saharan African population had evolutionary adaptions to combat that disease, such as the gene that causes sickle cell anemia, which causes health issues outside the malaria zone but provides significant immunity from the disease. Southern Africa didn’t have cattle until Europeans could import them by sea, for similar reasons - they migrated east/west just fine, just not north/south through Africa due to disease.

I think that control over malaria, in particular, can be traced historically to the building of the Panama Canal around the beginning of the 20th Century. The French were beaten in their attempt several decades earlier to build such a canal, and that allowed the US to do so, after finding a solution to malaria. Which, timing wise, explains why central Africa, with similar issues, was finally colonized by Europeans in the 20th Century - because that was the first time that they could survive there.; 8/12/18, 12:49 AM
buwaya said...: Other places were even more quickly overrun than Subsaharan Africa, and with smaller forces.

Africa was conquered quite late.

Mostly this was due to natural barriers, especially disease. But in some cases Africans offered effective resistance, entirely comparable to the worst Europeans found elsewhere. Many of these are little known. The Xhosa wars in the Eastern Cape were of the same costly, grinding sort as the Dutch found in Aceh. There are of course the well known cases of the Zulu and the Ethiopian wars.; 8/12/18, 12:50 AM
langford peel said...: You can't argue with a monkey.

They scream and gibber and fling shit at you.

It seems that this place is back to its old ways.

Blacks always destroy a place when they arrive.

You are seeing the proof before your eyes.; 8/12/18, 12:51 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"If you look at black American's civil rights struggles in the 20th century, you can largely divide them into two camps: the side supported by Booker T. Washington and the side advocated by W.E.B. DuBois. Washington's vision, as described in the Atlanta compromise, seems to have won out."

Totally backwards reading: W.E.B. DuBois won by a mile. Most blacks don't even know who Washington is.; 8/12/18, 12:53 AM
langford peel said...: Segregation and eventual separation is the only viable answer.

Marcus Garvey had it right. You should listen to his wisdom.

You can't have a stable or successful society for the long term if you don't have a homogenous population. We need to accept reality.

White supremcy is the answer as it has always been throughout history.; 8/12/18, 12:57 AM
J. Farmer said...: And now for the 5th time I'll repeat:

1) Imagine you were made King of America and had total executive, legislative, and judicial power. What reforms would you enact that you believe would be successful in closing the development gap between black and white Americans?

2) What do you think explains the inequality within the black community. That is, what do you think best explains why some blacks succeed and others fail given that all blacks live within the same racialized system and are inheritors of the injustices of slavery and the Jim Crow era?; 8/12/18, 12:59 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

Two questions from upthread that remain unanswered:

1) Imagine you were made King of America and had total executive, legislative, and judicial power. What reforms would you enact that you believe would be successful in closing the development gap between black and white Americans?

I'm not trying to do that - I just want justice for wrongs - that's it. Not even all of them. Ahead or behind you is not my concern. Feeling comfortable in my own country IS. But that can't happen with you because you refuse to acknowledge what happened.

"2) What do you think explains the inequality within the black community."

Whites created an all-encompassing system - making us suckle your children and feed your sexual needs is getting pretty personal, even for slavery, because that's NOT how it was done elsewhere - but then they also think escaping it is a walk in the park.

"What do you think best explains why some blacks succeed and others fail given that all blacks live within the same racialized system and are inheritors of the injustices of slavery and the Jim Crow era?

My experience - with real live black people who I know personally and have watched them climb out of poverty - is marrying white folks. Then other whites like them. Or have to accept them. Or are willing to give them a chance.

Everyone else treads water, making small gains, for generations.

There are exceptions, but that's the most obvious way.; 8/12/18, 1:02 AM
J. Farmer said...: Marcus Garvey's Back-to-Africa movement is not a tenable solution. Now I could be persuaded that blacks should be given chunks of American territory, perhaps along the Gulf coast and parts of the Mid-Atlantic, for a black ethno-state. I doubt such a move would ever be politically tenable, but as a nationalist myself, I certainly take the arguments of black nationalists seriously.; 8/12/18, 1:02 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: If I'm wrong, and you guys have some video of Thomas Sowell enlightening a room full of black students on the wonders of conservatism, please present it because I haven't seen it.

He's your own little kewpie doll.; 8/12/18, 1:05 AM
J. Farmer said...: I'm not trying to do that - I just want justice for wrongs - that's it. Not even all of them. Ahead or behind you is not my concern. Feeling comfortable in my own country IS. But that can't happen with you because you refuse to acknowledge what happened.

What does "justice for wrongs" mean? What would it look like and how would you know when you had it?

My experience - with real live black people who I know personally and have watched them climb out of poverty - is marrying white folks. Then other whites like them. Or have to accept them. Or are willing to give them a chance.

Now you're just being absurd. Around 50% of black households earn middle-class incomes or higher. Around 10% of black households earn upper-middle or upper class incomes. And obviously 50% of blacks are not married to whites, so perhaps your "experience with real lives black people" is not necessarily representative of the entirety of black America.; 8/12/18, 1:08 AM
Drago said...: Crack: "I'm talking to people who KNOW even David Bowie wondered why Michael Jackson couldn't get on MTV - in the 80s - and they're still pretending racism and any lack of advancement is black's fault in America - but they're insisting they're not racist"

LOL

You literally don't know anything worth thinking about at all. You constantly assert things that are patently and easily disproven and you fancy yourself some sort of deep thinking and "knower" of history and philosophy.

You've got literally nothing.

Top 100 video's on MTV from 1980 to 1989

86. “When I Think Of You” Janet Jackson (1986) Not Michael but still
47. “Nasty” Janet Jackson (1986) Not Michael, but still
40. “Man In The Mirror” Michael Jackson (1988)
27. “Billie Jean” Michael Jackson (1983)
13. “Beat It” Michael Jackson (1983)
1. Thriller - Michael Jackson (1983)

That's pretty good representation on MTV in the 1980's for a guy who couldn't get on MTV in the 1980's.....; 8/12/18, 1:09 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: A tribute to American know-how.; 8/12/18, 1:10 AM
J. Farmer said...: And do you believe the fact that around half of black Americans have IQs less than 85 plays any role in social outcomes whatsoever? Do you think the fact that over 70% of black children are born to single mothers plays any role in economic disadvantage? What is it about the history of slavery and Jim Crows prevents black men from forming stable relationships with the women they impregnate, especially considering that the black illegitimacy rate was a third of current levels in 1960?; 8/12/18, 1:13 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"What does "justice for wrongs" mean? What would it look like and how would you know when you had it?"

400 years of history and you ask this? How dumb are you? Is it intentional? Did you hit your head?

"Obviously 50% of blacks are not married to whites, so perhaps your "experience with real lives black people" is not necessarily representative of the entirety of black America."

Didn't I give you my take - what I've seen? Why do you change up then? I didn't say it applied to everyone - I, too, lived in specific places and times. I have said, repeatedly, that the black experience encompasses multitudes - and it does. The black in my neighborhood who did best married the guy who designed the Epcot Center in Disneyworld. No one else has come close, except maybe Ice-T. (BTW - my friend divorced the Epcot guy for being a cheating sleaze bag and now doesn't talk to whites much. Ice-T's marriage is solid.)

I keep telling you, the biggest problem I see in this conversation, is y'all not understanding America - or the human condition.

You sound like life's a cartoon.; 8/12/18, 1:19 AM
Tgtt said...: That was good Post!; 8/12/18, 1:20 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Drago said...

Top 100 video's on MTV from 1980 to 1989

86. “When I Think Of You” Janet Jackson (1986) Not Michael but still
47. “Nasty” Janet Jackson (1986) Not Michael, but still
40. “Man In The Mirror” Michael Jackson (1988)
27. “Billie Jean” Michael Jackson (1983)
13. “Beat It” Michael Jackson (1983)
1. Thriller - Michael Jackson (1983)

None of those are from before Bowie spoke - in 1983 - so, we can deduce, before 1983, blacks still couldn't get a fair shake in our own country.

Your bastion of freedom we're supposed to be grateful to.

Now - We're done, Drago.; 8/12/18, 1:23 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: 1983 - only 35 years ago - oppression started ending.

But conservatives will keep fighting - and ignoring their own reports on their own ignorance.

What a country.; 8/12/18, 1:26 AM
J. Farmer said...: @The Crack Emcee:

400 years of history and you ask this? How dumb are you? Is it intentional? Did you hit your head?

"Justice" is an extremely vague term, and given that you identified it as your sine qua non, it is not unreasonable to ask what you mean by that. What would "justice" for blacks look like? We can either make an attempt at a reasonable, fruitful discussion, or you can be a dick. Your choice.

I keep telling you, the biggest problem I see in this conversation, is y'all not understanding America - or the human condition.

You sound like life's a cartoon.

And as I said before, but perhaps you missed it, my entire professional life has been in the social services area of juvenile justice and child welfare. I see the effects of human cruelty towards each other on a daily basis. Just last week my agency received a referral on a case of a 12-year-old girl being raped and pimped by her coke-addicted mother's dealer/boyfriend. You don't know shit about my life.; 8/12/18, 1:26 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Ignoring reports on your own ignorance, drawn up by Republicans, shows exactly how helpful conservative whites are to the nation. They have the problem, explained without malice, and they ignore it anyway.

I feel for the whites in South Africa, but not much after spending time with you guys.

Their hard asses will get what they deserve just like y'all should.

Nobody should have to live with this aggravation.; 8/12/18, 1:33 AM
walter said...: Sowell isn't an authentic black...

"I feel for the whites in South Africa, but not much after spending time with you guys.
Their hard asses will get what they deserve just like y'all should."

Yeah! Crack spreads wise!; 8/12/18, 1:36 AM
J. Farmer said...: Nobody should have to live with this aggravation.

People are disagreeing with you. Don't be so self-pitying.; 8/12/18, 1:36 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: What makes you guys different from the whites of South Africa?

You gave up slavery, only under pressure, just like they gave up apartheid - not because you understand or bow to reason and decency - so what makes you good?; 8/12/18, 1:38 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

"Justice" is an extremely vague term, and given that you identified it as your sine qua non, it is not unreasonable to ask what you mean by that."

What did the Republican's Autopsy of 2012 "mean"? Was it clear? If so, is this an example of you living by it? Did you harass Mitt Romney for details, or do you save this for blacks only?

"And as I said before, but perhaps you missed it, my entire professional life has been in the social services area of juvenile justice and child welfare."

Then why don't you sound like Bryan Stephenson, who does the exact same work, and is fighting for justice for blacks?

Maybe you're not so good at your job? Maybe you shouldn't be doing your job? Maybe you're the problem of black advancement?

You certainly don't make understanding between cultures easier.; 8/12/18, 1:42 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...

Nobody should have to live with this aggravation.

People are disagreeing with you. Don't be so self-pitying.

How many people are on your nuts, right now, compared to me?

You are talking to ONE man. I have to take on hundreds in a nation where I'm outnumbered 7 to 1.

You guys are INSANE.; 8/12/18, 1:44 AM
J. Farmer said...: @The Crack Emcee:

You gave up slavery, only under pressure, just like they gave up apartheid - not because you understand or bow to reason and decency - so what makes you good?

I'm sorry, but did anyone here justify slavery as an institution or the Jim Crow era? The questions are (1) to what degree can that history explain black underperformance today; and (2) what can be done going forward.

What makes me (and anyone else for that matter) "good" is how they treat people.; 8/12/18, 1:45 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: walter said...

Sowell isn't an authentic black...

You guys are so trapped in that white conservative dogma, it's chilling you think blacks would want to join you politically.

Hell, I'm considering leaving the party as we speak. No black person wants to do this, or see you guys are ugly as you make yourselves.

You're just gross depressing people.; 8/12/18, 1:48 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: J. Farmer said...
@The Crack Emcee:

"What makes me (and anyone else for that matter) "good" is how they treat people."

You didn't go with the 2012 Autopsy that said you're racists, so how do you think you treat people - as unrepentant racists?

I'll give you a little time for that one.; 8/12/18, 1:50 AM
J. Farmer said...: What did the Republican's Autopsy of 2012 "mean"? Was it clear? If so, is this an example of you living by it? Did you harass Mitt Romney for details, or do you save this for blacks only?

I am not a Republican, and I don't give a shit about partisan politics.

Then why don't you sound like Bryan Stephenson, who does the exact same work, and is fighting for justice for blacks?

Psychologists are not a monolithic group and have various opinions. But yeah, I guess trying to help a pre-teen girl escape a life of sexual exploitation isn't "fighting for justice."

Maybe you're not so good at your job? Maybe you shouldn't be doing your job? Maybe you're the problem of black advancement?

How many black children have you helped escape abusive lives? How many black teens have you tried to keep out of the criminal justice system? I'll put my record up against yours any day of the week, pal.

How many people are on your nuts, right now, compared to me?

I have on numerous occasions been in this very forum justifying a point of view that no one agreed with and was pushed back on by numerous commenters. So I have been in this very situation. And the reason was because I chose to. Again, drop the self-pity crap.; 8/12/18, 1:51 AM
walter said...: Being so wedded to identify politics and victimology, your path likely leads elsewhere, really.; 8/12/18, 1:54 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: You guys have to pardon me, but I'm now going to depart and relax with another episode of "What White People Did While Torturing My Father".

You guys can pat yourselves on the back for winning the war against race haters before coming home to continue making life Hell for blacks.

I know - in your minds, that's completely consistent with being "good people."

I gotta go - Hitler awaits. Is he the greatest white guy ever - or just the one who most exemplifies your positions on life?

He's definitely the one who listened and understood others as well as y'all do.

Let me guess: you like dogs, too!

I gotta go - laterz.; 8/12/18, 2:03 AM
J. Farmer said...: Right, because advocating the position that individual blacks bear primary responsibility for their lives is totally the same thing as advocating wholesale ethnic genocide.

As soon as you can tell me what changes I can make in my personal life that will cause blacks to marry the mother of their children or stop shooting each other at alarming rates, I'll be more than happy to consider them.; 8/12/18, 2:10 AM
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FIDO said...: This is rich!

The New York Times, facing falling subscriptions from the Sarah Jeong Affair, had Bret Stephens write an apologia called 'The Outrage of Sarah Jeong'. He admitted she was a racist, but 'that isn't the whole story' and their pet Conservative/Provocateur than wrote about as good of a casuistic defense as any Cardinal Jesuit defending Louis XIII.

Except...the readers who also commented didn't buy it.

There was a vast disparity between the "New York Times" picks for best comments and the 'Readers Picks' for best comments.

Almost without fail, the Readers Picks excoriated the Times for their decision. Racism is racism no matter how perky (she isn't) and young and Asian a writer is.

Yellow Journalism doesn't hide 'White Out', it seems.

So that was yesterday when I looked at these comments.

TODAY, the comment section is closed...because the NYT is a 'free speech' organization (they want THEIR speech to be free) and suddenly acknowledging that there was a huge moral, PR, and logical failure of the Times...well...much like Hillary's continued transgressions, that fact needs to be swept under the rug.; 8/12/18, 3:31 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Etienne said...

"Shit, now we are going to need more languages on the government forms and voting machines."

So I just finished the first episode of "What White People Did While Torturing My Father" and I'm thinking, we rebuilt France, which - at best - has only ever been a "fair weather friend" to our nation on a good day. We rebuilt Germany, which was our sworn enemy and even today is determined not to look us straight in the eye. And we rebuilt Japan, who attacked us in one of the most devastating blows ever recorded in human history. All while we KNOW blacks couldn't even safely drive in this country:

Do I really need to debate with anyone who thinks that was all great, but will fight over getting straight with their fellow Americans - even as I know they contemplate other...trivial things, like needing "more languages on the government forms and voting machines" for others?

No, I don't. Because it makes no sense. Nothing, involving them, makes any more sense than with the NewAgers on the Democrat side. Who would want to be in a party with people who help their enemies, but make enemies of their fellow men by refusing to help? Serial killers have more dedicated admirers, than blacks in this country, compared to Republicans. I know - I talk to thems in person and they RUN.

Mitt Romney read the 2012 Autopsy. Until then, they screamed he was a completely honest man and I had to believe everything he said. Now they say the autopsy was made by "establishment Republicans" they can ignore. I wonder, if Romney runs, will they ignore him then?

They agreed with Obama that Kanye was a "Jackass" until he liked Candace Owens. Does it seem to anyone else like the Republicans are like the Nazis in saying anything to advance their aims? (He's crazy - until he likes us?) One of the first posters I encountered here said he didn't like being around "savages" - just the kind of language Nazis used, but I'm not supposed to make those kinds of connections, even when they keep making these cool documentaries for me to watch and learn about how they were and notice how (some) white people are. A lot of Germans in America. Just sayin'.

So, anyway - I'm not kidding - even this small interaction with how they think is enough to make me consider going independent, because, whoever the Republicans think they are, they're not the party that freed the slaves, but the party that won't finish the job because they made peace with the white clueless or white antagonists instead, and that's some bullshit.

Now - back to white folks killing white folks - in an almost-decade-long reign of worldwide terror that makes Chicago look like the distraction from the malevolence of whites these monsters know it really is. They'll say ANYTHING, I tell you.

So, with everything making sense again, back to the movies,...; 8/12/18, 3:45 AM
Darrell said...: During MTV's first few years on the air, very few black artists were included in rotation on the channel. The select few who were in MTV's rotation were Michael Jackson, Prince, Eddy Grant, Donna Summer, Joan Armatrading, Musical Youth, and Herbie Hancock. The very first people of color to perform on MTV was the British band The Specials, which featured an integrated line-up of white and black musicians and vocalists. The Specials' video "Rat Race" was played as the 58th video on the station's first day of broadcasting.[43]; 8/12/18, 3:53 AM
FIDO said...: I'll believe Blacks really want to change when their shithole cities finally start to vote Republican. Otherwise, all they are doing is picking one corrupt Democrat over a different corrupt Democrat...for the last 50 years.

I don't live in those shitholes. I don't run their legal systems. I don't set their educational policies. I don't vote for their corrupt politicians.

And yet Crack EmCee is absolutely mystified that voting doesn't work when all Black people do is hit the same (D)amn button every single time.

Certainly doesn't raise any competitive interest in the Democrats, does it? If New York City suddenly gained, by black votes, 10 new Republican Congressmen, I am guessing that they might suddenly stand up and take notice. Just saying...

That trite phrase by Albert Einstein (a white guy) about doing the exact same thing EVERY FUCKING TIME and expecting a change seems relevant.

So bed...made...lie in it.; 8/12/18, 3:54 AM
Darrell said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/12/18, 4:04 AM
Etienne said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/12/18, 4:04 AM
Darrell said...: On Saturday, August 1, 1981, at 12:01 am Eastern Time, MTV launched with the words "Ladies and gentlemen, rock and roll. MTV's original head of talent and acquisition was Carolyn B. Baker--who was black. Baker personally rejected Rick James' video for Super Freak "because there were half-naked women in it, and it was a piece of crap. As a black woman, I did not want that representing my people as the first black video on MTV."

Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" was not added to MTV's "medium rotation" playlist (two to three airings per day) until after it had already reached #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. In the final week of March 1982, it was in "heavy rotation", one week before the MTV debut of Jackson's "Beat It" video.; 8/12/18, 4:05 AM
Etienne said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/12/18, 4:14 AM
Jon Ericson said...: Seems like a reminder is appropriate at this point in time.
Jocko Homo -- Devo; 8/12/18, 4:43 AM
Big Mike said...: Tupac idolized Jimmy Cagney, Machiavelli, a whole slew of white guys

Where any of the “other white guys” still alive when Tupac was born? Machiavelli had been dead for 450 years. Cagney was still alive but had been retired for a decade.

One hardcore Democrat uses her comments to pat you on the head and urge you back onto the plantation, the rest of us decline to accept your bullshit and push you to man up. It’s not we who are INSANE.; 8/12/18, 4:45 AM
Jon Ericson said...: Jocko Homo lyrics

They tell us that
We lost our tails, evolving up
From little snails
I say it's all, just wind in sails

Are we not men?
We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

We're pinheads now
We are not whole
We're pinheads all
Jocko homo

Are we not men?
We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

Are we not pins?
We are Devo

Monkey men all
In business suit
Teachers and critics
All dance the poot

Are we not men?
We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

Are we not pins?
We are Devo
Are we not men?
D E V O

Jocko homo
Jocko homo
Jocko homo

lulz; 8/12/18, 4:57 AM
Jon Ericson said...: It makes me uncomfortable.; 8/12/18, 5:07 AM
Jon Ericson said...: Mark Mothersbaugh.; 8/12/18, 5:09 AM
Narayanan said...: @Crack...
New to this discussion.
Do you think Hillary's "deplorable" included "black"?; 8/12/18, 5:19 AM
tim in vermont said...: You gave up slavery, only under pressure,

The pressure to end slavery came from other whites. The Republican Party is the same party that ended slavery. Today’s Democrats would have been protesting at recruiting stations telling young men that what went on to the south was “none of our business.” That’s true and you know it. The Democrats never could have written a song as beautiful as The Battle Hymn of the Republic. Republicans were criticized by Democrats because we went to war in Iraq (I am talking about the rank and file Republicans now, and the ideas that made the population support the war, I am not debating what the leaders thought) but the mane reason we accepted that war was to right the wrong of a murderous dictator running that country through terror and torture. Same reasons Republicans fought the Civil War, rank and file I mean. Stories of every town having a torture room with a hook on the ceiling, shit like that.

France has been our frenemy since the dark ages, as Englishmen, then as Americans. The history of England and France is intertwined and a good 40% of our words come from the French, (I think that’s the number.) Germany was on the verge of building an atomic weapon and Germany was up front with their racism. Japan, you should read about how the Japanese treated others not of their own race.

None of that is to say that America doesn’t owe blacks some real effort at getting a fair shake. Democrats aren’t offering it. They are pushing the abortion of black babies while replacing blacks with Hispanics in the country and in the party. Yeah, there are some asshole commenters here. I don’t think that being anything other than an independent makes any sense politically anyway. I doubt I would vote Republican again if the Republicans have their fingerprints on an overthrow of Trump, for example.; 8/12/18, 5:21 AM
Jon Ericson said...: Talk to ya later -- Fee Waybill-- lulz; 8/12/18, 5:30 AM
FIDO said...: "Not the enemy of the people’: 70 news organizations will blast Trump’s attack on the media"

WaPo News Headline. The Press somehow seems to think that they have been a victim in the imbroglio with Trump, just manfully taking blows without any pushback.

This lack of self awareness seems...appalling in people who are supposed to give us news.

And the New York Times has been vehement in their actions. They are not the Enemy of the People...just White People.; 8/12/18, 5:34 AM
Narayanan said...: @Crack ...
I also see that Woodrow Wilson originated Jim Crow in Federal Executive branch.; 8/12/18, 5:37 AM
Jon Ericson said...: Good Girls Don't
The Knack

She's your adolescent dream
Schoolboy stuff, a sticky sweet romance
And she makes you want to scream
Wishing you could get inside her pants
So you fantasize away
While you're squeezing her, you thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But she'll be telling you
Good girls don't, but I do

So you call her on the phone
To talk about the teachers that you hate
And she says she's all alone
And her parents won't be coming home till late
There's a ringing in your brain
'Cause you could've swore you thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But she'll be telling you
Good girls don't, but I do

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
Till she's sitting on your face

You're alone with her at last
And you're waiting till you think the time is right
'Cause you've heard she's pretty fast
And you're hoping that she'll give you some tonight
So, you start to make your play
'Cause you could've swore you thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But she'll be telling you
Good girls don't, but I do

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
Till she's sitting on your face
It hurts

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But she'll be telling you
Good girls don't, but I do
Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But she'll be telling you
Good girls don't, but I do
But I do
But I do
But I do

lulz; 8/12/18, 5:44 AM
Humperdink said...: > So I see we have a 169 comment cafe post. Wow. Haven't seen that in a awhile. Hmm, wondered what caused this? And then it is revealed. Someone has returned with a vengeance. Ans vengeance is the correct word.

> When you wake up in the morning and labelled someone insane, he might be insane. At the end of the day, if everybody is identified as insane, you may want to look in the mirror.

> Reading the very first comment, implying that "blacks are the only experts on race" is not a good start for commentary. There is no bridge to overcome this mentality. Sad.; 8/12/18, 5:53 AM
Rusty said...: Hump.
Grifters gotta grift.; 8/12/18, 5:54 AM
Jon Ericson said...: Feelings; 8/12/18, 6:06 AM
Jon Ericson said...: I went to my cleaning lady's birthay party last night.
She's married to my gardner.
The tequila flowed.
Sorry for posting happy stuff.
Back to normal.; 8/12/18, 6:11 AM
Jon Ericson said...: birthday
gardener; 8/12/18, 6:12 AM
Jon Ericson said...: *hic*; 8/12/18, 6:13 AM
FIDO said...: Reading the very first comment, implying that "blacks are the only experts on race" is not a good start for commentary. There is no bridge to overcome this mentality. Sad.

I find it salubrious and exonerating.

Since white people can't be experts and never get 'it' correct (whatever 'it' is), white folks obviously have nothing to offer and I'm going fishing.; 8/12/18, 6:16 AM
gilbar said...: Omarosa says she heard from someone else that Luntz had said Trump used the N-word.
isn't there a word for that?
I mean, if you say that you hear someone say something, does that mean it happened?; 8/12/18, 6:17 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Darrell said...

"During MTV's first few years on the air, very few black artists were included in rotation on the channel. The select few who were in MTV's rotation were Michael Jackson, Prince, Eddy Grant, Donna Summer, Joan Armatrading, Musical Youth, and Herbie Hancock. The very first people of color to perform on MTV was the British band The Specials, which featured an integrated line-up of white and black musicians and vocalists. The Specials' video "Rat Race" was played as the 58th video on the station's first day of broadcasting."

Yawn. So Bowie was tripping? And we blacks were imagining we weren't there? And why didn't MTV say that when challenged? And since when are "Eddy Grant, Joan Armatrading, Musical Youth, and The Specials African-American artists?

You guys aren't worth talking to, you're so invested in white innocence. That's all you're tryin g so desperately to prove. 58th video - for an INTEGRATED BAND in 1983 - Well weren't you guys brave? Rap was in full swing then but they went with who? Herbie Handcock - a Jazz artist old enough to threaten nothing - which is what Rock is all about, right, Jagger fans?

You guys need to stop lying.; 8/12/18, 6:50 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: FIDO said...

"Crack EmCee is absolutely mystified that voting doesn't work when all Black people do is hit the same (D)amn button every single time."

Crack Emcee has been a Republican since 2004, so the only thing I'm "absolutely mystified" by, is how dumb white Republicans are, to let their ASSUMPTIONS keep determining their twisted view of black people while trying to recruit us to their side.

It seems a bit self-defeating.; 8/12/18, 6:54 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: tim in vermont said...

You gave up slavery, only under pressure,

"The pressure to end slavery came from other whites."

BWAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The pressure came from blacks escaping. Without that, not a single white person would've cared.

We set the wheels of democracy in action - no white man cared for our freedom before we did.; 8/12/18, 6:56 AM
Humperdink said...: "You guys aren't worth talking to ....

And yet you do, nonstop.

Yesterday, we were tiring.

Commenter, heal thyself. The solution is right in front of you.; 8/12/18, 6:58 AM
AllenS said...: 51 comments from Crack. He's not letting Inga get a word in at all!; 8/12/18, 7:04 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Narayanan Subramanian said...

"@Crack...
New to this discussion.
Do you think Hillary's "deplorable" included "black"?"

Hillary wasn't thinking of us when she said it - she was telling me not to waste my time with these bozos, here, right now - but, like a lot of our rich folks, part of her beef with Trump is one of style (because Trump was hanging with, and helping out, Rap artists when she was calling us "super predators") so I doubt I, or a lot of other blacks, would be her favorite people.

Like these racist whites I'm debating, here, she'd say anything to anybody as long as she got her way.; 8/12/18, 7:05 AM
AllenS said...: ... and counting.; 8/12/18, 7:05 AM
Tank said...: @J. Farmer

Thank you for your patient workmanship here last night.

You are a patient man.; 8/12/18, 7:09 AM
Quaestor said...: BWAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Was it not one Crack's condemnation of whites as being "ahistorical"?; 8/12/18, 7:11 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: FIDO said...

Reading the very first comment, implying that "blacks are the only experts on race" is not a good start for commentary.

Another ASSUMPTION. Is it "blacks are the only experts on race" or YOU GUYS, HERE, SUCK ON THE SUBJECT YOU LIKE TO FIGHT ABOUT?

You can't even lie elegantly.

There is no bridge to overcome this mentality. Sad.

Why whites never look at themselves and think that is the only pervasive mystery across all cultures and minorities in America.

"I find it salubrious and exonerating."

You're masturbating like a Nazi, aren't you?

"Since white people can't be experts and never get 'it' correct (whatever 'it' is), white folks obviously have nothing to offer and I'm going fishing."

And this is how racists give themselves and out to stay racist:

Deliberately misread what someone is saying, make an ASSUMPTION based on that misreading, and then decide to forget all that bullshit you pump about being patriotic and part of a country and then fuck off irresponsibly, declaring it's all our fault but we should respect you and come around to seeing your goodness as people just like us.

Heil Hitler.; 8/12/18, 7:13 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Humperdink said...

"Commenter, heal thyself. The solution is right in front of you."

Oh no, you're a pain, but it's better than letting you think Booker T. Washington won the black cultural debate, or whites decided to free the slaves because whites were so good, or any of the other lies you guys have told yourselves on this very thread:

That's how you do it - you talk with no blacks around so you believe this shit because there's no

Which is why Nazi types would want blacks to go away and shut up, right, Humperdink? Or is that Von Humperdink?; 8/12/18, 7:17 AM
Humperdink said...: ^^^^^ Wowee. How does one respond to that? Well, you can't.; 8/12/18, 7:18 AM
Humperdink said...: FYI Crack. A friend of ours is a von _ _ _ _ _ _ from Germany. Property confiscated, fled the Nazis to Poland, then the US.; 8/12/18, 7:23 AM
Big Mike said...: @Crack, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts. Your comments show a disrespect for objective reality. You demand justice? There is no justice without truth.; 8/12/18, 7:24 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: The second song in the “UnMastered” series is up:

http://thecrackemcee.tk

Download both songs, put them, in order, in a file labeled “UnMastered”, and then put on some decent headphones to hear what I’m getting at.

I hope you like it, but - if y'all keep this shit up - it's the last help the Republicans are getting from me.

CMC; 8/12/18, 7:36 AM
Gahrie said...: Who invented the phrase "acting White'? What does it mean? Who uses it and why?; 8/12/18, 7:39 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Humperdink said...

"FYI Crack. A friend of ours is a von _ _ _ _ _ _ from Germany. Property confiscated, fled the Nazis to Poland, then the US."

One of my best friends was a Nazi who had to walk back to Germany, getting abused all the way home. Great guy. I love him and miss him.

Now put THAT in your pipes and smoke it.; 8/12/18, 7:40 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: He wouldn't have anything to do with people who talked like you guys.; 8/12/18, 7:41 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Big Mike said...

"@Crack, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts. Your comments show a disrespect for objective reality. You demand justice? There is no justice without truth."

Fine - let's start at the beginning and see who knows shit:

Big Mike said...

"I don't know, Crack."

You lose.; 8/12/18, 7:43 AM
Gahrie said...: but the party that won't finish the job because they made peace with the white clueless or white antagonists instead

Did the Republicans abandon Black people, or did Black people abandon the Republicans?; 8/12/18, 7:44 AM
Humperdink said...: Every now and then I look at the Bronze Star my father was awarded for fighting the Nazis. One must conclude they were different Nazis after reading this thread.; 8/12/18, 7:48 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Gahrie said...

"Who invented the phrase "acting White'?"

Presumably white people, who thought blacks were "uppity" 9or putting on airs) in some way that - this is hilarious - emulated THEM. And they didn't like it.

"What does it mean?"

Pretending you're above your station in life.

"Who uses it and why?"

Black kids use it now, mostly, as pressure for social cohesion.

Do you notice these things are a mystery for whites - who have lived in America their entire lives - while I, a black American, have no such questions for them, beyond asking about NONSENSICAL behavior whites may exhibit, since nonsensical behavior is obviously a mystery to anyone of a right mind?

If you don't, it's a tell.; 8/12/18, 7:51 AM
Gahrie said...: Buckets of crabs Crack..buckets of crabs....; 8/12/18, 7:53 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Gahrie said...

Did the Republicans abandon Black people, or did Black people abandon the Republicans?

Picking Barry Goldwater over Nelson Rockefeller - who blacks LOVED - pretty much answers that.

Keep asking questions, Gahrie, and you'll be the smartest guy in the bunch.; 8/12/18, 7:55 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Humperdink said...

"Every now and then I look at the Bronze Star my father was awarded for fighting the Nazis. One must conclude they were different Nazis after reading this thread."

Nope, same Nazis, but you don't deal with the nuances of the story: your dad willingly went and fought the Nazis while America was acting much like them to blacks here. You know this. It kept going until MLK, etc.

My friend, the Nazi, was recruited at the end as a child - he was about as innocent as they come - the uniform of oppression was put on him.

See the difference?; 8/12/18, 8:00 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Gahrie said...

"Buckets of crabs Crack..buckets of crabs...."

Human nature, Gahrie, human nature,...; 8/12/18, 8:01 AM