June 11, 2018

"Fox & Friends" calls Trump a dictator...

78 comments:

traditionalguy said...

They got it wrong. Trump is no dictator. He may be an Emperor.

Danno said...

Talking heads must talk, to fill the airwaves. Blame it on the news organizations desire to fill their on-air personnel with InfoBabes.

Oso Negro said...

And those cocksuckers are supposed to be the conservative news network

Ann Althouse said...

It's a mistake. Watch the clip to hear how it happens. It's a slip, and it's really funny. React to that. Don't guess about what happened. Please watch the clip or you'll be talking about the wrong thing.

rhhardin said...

He's saying Congress and the courts are useless.

gilbar said...

There's a compelling argument to be made for replacing all journalists with Latina weathergirls. It'd make for better optics

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Republicans are always dictators.... and Hitler.

Hillary Clinton's Private Server stands up and applauds.

Oso Negro said...

@Danno - Infobabes = #useyourcooter

rhhardin said...

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traditionalguy said...
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Danno said...

Oso Negro, almost lost my covfefe with your comment! Too funny.

traditionalguy said...

Pompeo had a Press Conference at 5:00AM EST. He is perfectly relaxed and confident. It was obvious that The Deal has already been made. Kim is now a Trump ally under Trump's protection from China.

But Pompeo set the table for the desired World media coverage by stating that "... there are only two men in the world who can make the denuclearization deal when they meet in a room tomorrow."

That magnificent Bastard is setting the context to become Emperor of the World. Boy will Obama be jealous.

Oso Negro said...

@Danno - there had to be a hashtag for the women who made it work for themselves

Chuck said...

What is it about the subject of this post is “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?

Not the original on-air Freudian slip.

And I gather that Althouse agrees with the humorous sentiment of the Tweet that called out the slip.

So what is the “Trump Derangement Syndrome” aspect?

rehajm said...

So what is the “Trump Derangement Syndrome” aspect?

Ponder: How do you know it was a Freudian slip?

gilbar said...

What is it about the subject of this post is “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?

The Professor Knew that you'd be here chuck!

tim in vermont said...

The way to spot a dictator is that they rule by pen and phone.

Unknown said...

I know, I know, he's a defacto dictator! Just like Obama and his pen & phone, Congress is impotent (self-inflicted) and so Trump dictates. Oh, and all these folks are still TDS sufferers, howling at the moon (see: Robert DeNiro and the response to his comments at the Tony's).

-sw

daskol said...

They meant it as a compliment, guys.

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daskol said...

Sorta like when you're getting amorous with a lady and she calls you daddy. That does not necessarily mean she has daddy issues, anymore than any lady does.

daskol said...

It just means you're doing a good job.

Robert Cook said...

"It's a mistake. Watch the clip to hear how it happens. It's a slip, and it's really funny. React to that. Don't guess about what happened. Please watch the clip or you'll be talking about the wrong thing."

Yep, as when Mayor Daley in Chicago in 1968 said of the police who were beating up everyone in sight, "The police are not here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder."

One might say of each: Oops! Freudian Slip!

But, no, Trump is certainly not a dictator. He may be the precursor to one.

Original Mike said...

”Kim is now a Trump ally under Trump's protection from China.”

That could be what Kim wants. Right now, he is totally at China’s mercy.

Not Sure said...

Ho Lee Fuk!

Michael said...

Well Trump is Hitler and Hitler was a dictator, so there you go.

wild chicken said...

Maybe these girls don't know what "dictator" mesns? I mean Hitler and Mussolini were back before they were ever born! Sheesh.

PackerBronco said...

Dictators dictate. You know, things like:

"Buy this health insurance"
"Bake this cake"
...

Michael K said...

I listened to the clip twice and did not hear "dictator."

tcrosse said...

Maybe these girls don't know what "dictator" means?

Well, it was something about a dick.

mockturtle said...

Off with his [talking] head!

Birkel said...

Dictators always allow actors to yell "Fuck the Dictator" on TV.

Hunter said...

Lis Power is the "Director of Media Intelligence" at Media Matters. In case you were wondering why the TDS tag. The clip is amusing, but her reaction seems more like angry laughter.

SEE THEY ADMITTED HE REALLY IS A DICTATOR. HA HA HAHA. >:|

Danno said...

Chuck said..."So what is the “Trump Derangement Syndrome” aspect?"

The post got you worked up enough to post a comment. So there!

Chuck said...

Danno said...
Chuck said..."So what is the “Trump Derangement Syndrome” aspect?"

The post got you worked up enough to post a comment. So there!


By any reasonable account, "Trump Derangement Syndrome" has become a favorite theme of Althouse. She enjoys reading the New York Times, and seeing what they get wrong, in terms of details or tone or language usage or even journalistic methods, standards and ethics.

She does the same, on a lesser scale than the Times, with WaPo, MSNBC, CNN, etc. With a blogger's goal of exploring what the Trump critics, and particularly the Trump-opposing parts of the mainstream media, get wrong about Trump and Trump's messaging.

"Trump Derangement Syndrome" (like Bush Derangement Syndrome) is of course nothing more than a moniker for criticism of Trump that is so pathological as to be symptom of derangement. I saw lots of Bush Derangement Syndrome, which is to say that it was criticism of a type that was out of character with anything but partisan hatred.

With Trump, there is much for which to criticize Trump, way beyond mere partisan or ideological disagreement. Trump is an asshole; and a liar. Trump got through the Republican primaries with less than a majority of the votes cast, and he got through the general election with less than a majority of the votes cast. But he won. His electoral victory was as clear as it was narrow.

I have lots of criticisms of Trump. I don't think any of my criticisms are "deranged." I really wonder, about Althouse's deployment of "Trump Derangement Syndrome as either a term of art, or a rhetorical weapon. Althouse does it to such an extent that I am always on the lookout for her tagging things with "Trump Derangement Syndrome." So much so, that I have been drawn to the term, Trump Derangement Syndrome Derangement Syndrome." The latter is a term that I did not invent but that I dearly wish that I had, and for which I wish that I could take credit.

In the present story, there was a faux pas, committed by a hostess on "Fox & Friends." That program's staff is not anti-Trump. They are fanatically devoted to supporting Trump. (A new meaning, for "Trump Derangement Syndrome," perhaps?)

And I think Althouse made it clear that the follow-up Tweet, calling attention to the use of the phrase "two dictators" was funny and it called attention to a funny occurrence on cable television. So "Fox & Friends" is not TDS. The Tweet wasn't TDS. What was it, that was TDS?

Inga said...

Is it Trump Derangement Syndrome to see it as funny? And yes, it’s funny.

Yancey Ward said...

Chuck will now proceed to tell us how you can tell someone is a dictator by the fact that they can get political supporters to pay off bimbo eruptions under their own good names.

Birkel said...

Chuck, fopdoodle extraordinaire, will now explain how it is not deranged to take an unusual, pathological, interest in a tween child of the president. And if you don't believe him he will twist an old lady by some appendage or another.

Clapter is not funny.

Yancey Ward said...

Good grief, Chuck, even if we grant that the tag wasn't appropriate before you showed up, it is after you showed up.

Drago said...

"Brokeback" & "Dick Durbin Republican" Chuck: "......(many words decrying "TDS" but which really prove conclusively LLR is perhaps the pre-eminent "sufferer" of TDS)....."

Meanwhile:

Inga: "Is it Trump Derangement Syndrome to see it as funny? And yes, it’s funny."

No, it's not TDS to see it as funny.

And yes, it is funny. LOL funny? No, but pretty amusing anyway.

Drago said...

Birkel: "Dictators always allow actors to yell "Fuck the Dictator" on TV."

As #StrongDemDefender Chuck will very soon explain, Trump is even MORE dangerous than run of the mill dictators because Trump is a "Secret Dictator"!

#StrongDickDurbinDefender Chuck will then link to many Anna Navarro's tweets to "prove" his point.

LOL

Inga said...

“No, it's not TDS to see it as funny.”

I wasn’t asking you, Propagandizer.

I am curious too why a Trump Derangement Syndrome tag was appointed to this post. Who was acting out of TDS, not the TV commentator, nor the tweeter, so who?

narciso said...

If he truly was, they would not dare, it's much the kind of adoration, but out of stark terror, that Obama got, that didn't have anything to do with his surveillance of rosen and risen, would it, the latter was because his revelation of operation merlin made the Clinton administration look inept, the former because it revealed that the north Koreans were up to no good,

Quaestor said...

I am curious too why a Trump Derangement Syndrome tag was appointed to this post. Who was acting out of TDS, not the TV commentator, nor the tweeter, so who?

The obvious answer to anyone with more than two neurons behind his eyes: Althouse knows the dog whistle effect any text string containing "Trump" and "dictator" has on certain people.

Yancey Ward said...

Inga,

It is quite plausible to even probable that it was a true Freudian slip- in other words, the commentator really does think Trump is a dictator and just failed to cover her belief. Just because she works for Fox News doesn't mean she is even a Republican.

Drago said...

Later Inga: "I wasn’t asking you, Propagandizer."

Early Inga: "Is it Trump Derangement Syndrome to see it as funny?"

LOL

Who were you asking Inga?

Too funny.

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Bay Area Guy said...

My wife prefers a nice, big, firm dictator.

Inga said...

“Who were you asking Inga?

Too funny.”

I was asking Althouse, but it was a rhetorical question mostly. Feel free not to respond to every single lefty comment. Don’t you have a job? Is being a Propagandizer your job?

Drago said...

Inga: "Feel free not to respond to every single lefty comment."

Oh, alright.....wait, ....oops! Aaarrrghhh!

pacwest said...

"I don't think any of my criticisms are "deranged." "

I'm sure Inga thinks the same. You have both worked out your rationalizations to support your positions. One of yours is that Trump's actions that are in agreement with your worldview are to be credited to others. Hence the term Derangement. Classic really.

Gretchen said...

I keep looking for the ways in which Trump acts like a dictator, lowering taxes, reducing regulation, allowing more free speech. I think he is doing a good job as president, but he is a terrible dictator.

Inga said...

“You have both worked out your rationalizations to support your positions.”

Hahahahaha, I’ve often thought the same thing about so many of you folks. Seriously though..

Inga said...

“...allowing more free speech...”

Whaaaat? How has he respected the right to free speech of the football and basketball players who protest police abuses to black Americans? How is saying he would be in favor of jailing journalists allowing more free speech, how is saying he wants to strengthen libel and slander laws allowing for free speech, how is saying the press is the enemy of the people allowing more free speech?


What do dictators do first? Demonize the press, threaten speech that they don’t like. That’s not a good look for Trump, makes many people question his respect for the First Amendment right to free speech.

Earnest Prole said...

If Trump were a dictator, wouldn’t he have put the Hawaiian judge in prison instead of obeying his ruling?

Drago said...

Inga: "What do dictators do first? Demonize the press, threaten speech that they don’t like."

LOL

Nope.

How about imprison and/or murder their political opponents and literally take control of all media.

Too funny again.

Drago said...

Earnest Prole beat me to all the obvious reasons why Inga's latest posting was even more ridiculous than usual.

Matthew Sablan said...

Inga: "What do dictators do first? Demonize the press, threaten speech that they don’t like."

-- Eh, to be fair, Obama's the one who used the government to actual silence his critics. No one calls him a dictator.

Matthew Sablan said...

"How has he respected the right to free speech of the football and basketball players who protest police abuses to black Americans?"

-- He didn't jail them on some pretext, like Obama jailed the movie guy who caused the embassy attack, and he didn't try to pressure the press pool to ostracize his unfavorites. Trump has been vocal about which news is fakenews and which is news he likes, but he's yet to actually go as far as Obama did, such as by bugging or using legal pressure to silence journalists.

Matthew Sablan said...

"How is saying he would be in favor of jailing journalists allowing more free speech, how is saying he wants to strengthen libel and slander laws allowing for free speech, how is saying the press is the enemy of the people allowing more free speech?"

-- Do you have the exact quotes that we can discuss?

As for strengthening libel and slander -- that's something people have been thinking on and off about a lot. That's not a radical idea.

Quaestor said...

The term dictator comes to us via the Roman republic. Specifically, the dictator was a consul who was granted supreme executive power by a supermajority vote in the Assembly for a maximum of six months as a means to address an existential threat to the state. The actual use of that office was very rare, the most obvious example being the dictatorship of Fabius Maximus Verrucosus (217 BC) who instituted the so-called Fabian policy against Hannibal.

The dictator as such does not appear in Aristotle's Politics, However, his description of the tyrannos and some examples of the basileus, i.e. potentates who govern by fiat without reference to the opinions or rights of others, fits our modern use of dictator much more closely than the Roman magistrate of that title.

The Constitution protects us from dictatorship through the principle of the separation of powers. Generally speaking, the legislative power resides in Congress rather than the Presidency, and though the President may temporarily establish policy by executive fiat, his acts have no permanent force in law without the consent of Congress.

Given recent history whose presidency comes closer to the actual definition of a dictator? Hint: it ain't Trump.

Earnest Prole said...

A genuine dictator would have repealed Obamacare by decree, no?

Earnest Prole said...

Trump's problem is that the role of American Hitler has already been played so convincingly by George W. Bush.

Drago said...

Earnest Prole: "Trump's problem is that the role of American Hitler has already been played so convincingly by George W. Bush"

According to the left, also GHW Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon (again!), Dwight Eisenhower (who was also stupid and should have lost to the Intellectual Giant Adlai Stevenson) and Dewey.

Truman actually called Dewey a communist AND a Nazi!!

A nice two-fer.

Quaestor said...

... how is saying the press is the enemy of the people allowing more free speech?

Is Inga really as stupid as her comments suggest (shout, actually), or is the insipidity a harebrained rhetorical device taught at the Close Cover Before Striking School of Psychiatric Nursing and Copier Repair? (Lecture II: Make Your Ignorance Work For You)

No sane definition of free speech insists that all speech must be held to be true or morally sound. You may point at the speaker and shout "Liar!", but your shout mayn't be so loud that the speaker cannot be heard. That's de-platforming, a practice characteristic of Inga's friends and associates.

The media buy ink by the ton and bandwidth by the petabyte per second. They are in no danger of losing their freedom of speech to Trump's whispered truth-telling.

Quaestor said...

... how is saying the press is the enemy of the people allowing more free speech?

Is Inga really as stupid as her comments suggest (shout, actually), or is the insipidity a harebrained rhetorical device taught at the Close Cover Before Striking School of Psychiatric Nursing and Copier Repair? (Lecture II: Make Your Ignorance Work For You)

No sane definition of free speech insists that all speech must be held to be true or morally sound. You may point at the speaker and shout "Liar!", but your shout mayn't be so loud that the speaker cannot be heard. That's de-platforming, a practice characteristic of Inga's friends and associates.

The media buy ink by the ton and bandwidth by the petabyte per second. They are in no danger of losing their freedom of speech to Trump's whispered truth-telling.

Quaestor said...

... how is saying the press is the enemy of the people allowing more free speech?

Is Inga really as stupid as her comments suggest (shout, actually), or is the insipidity a harebrained rhetorical device taught at the Close Cover Before Striking School of Psychiatric Nursing and Copier Repair? (Lecture II: Make Your Ignorance Work For You)

No sane definition of free speech insists that all speech must be held to be true or morally sound. You may point at the speaker and shout "Liar!", but your shout mayn't be so loud that the speaker cannot be heard. That's de-platforming, a practice characteristic of Inga's friends and associates.

The media buy ink by the ton and bandwidth by the petabyte per second. They are in no danger of losing their freedom of speech to Trump's whispered truth-telling.

pacwest said...

""You have both worked out your rationalizations to support your positions.”"

"Hahahahaha,"

Just trying to help. No need to get snarky. Inga, when you first joined this board you stated your intention was to learn the opposing viewpoint. This thread on dictators/Trump is a good case in point that that was not the case, or you have since decided to close your mind to valid points that threaten your worldview. The comparison between Trump and Obama as regards a dictatorial leadership style is pretty stark wouldn't you agree?

What happened to cause you to close your mind so completely? (Please don't use 'That lyin' sonofabitch Johnson' line.) We get the fact you (and Chuck) dislike the persona of the current President. You shouldn't let it cloud your mind as to actual (and to my mind, logical) policy.

Chuck said...

PacWest absolutely nothing that I've written here today had one damned thing to do with policy.

Ann Althouse wrote this early on the comments page:
Ann Althouse said...
It's a mistake. Watch the clip to hear how it happens. It's a slip, and it's really funny. React to that. Don't guess about what happened. Please watch the clip or you'll be talking about the wrong thing.

I watched the clip. I completely agree with Althouse. It was a slip, and it was a really funny slip. I was reacting to that. I was not guessing about anything else. I was talking about the slip, and how funny it was, and who made the slip, and who noted the slip with a posting of the video clip to Twitter.

Just like Althouse said.

And all that I wonder is what "Trump Derangement Syndrome" means anymore, if it applies to this blog post.

Quaestor said...

Inga wrote: What do dictators do first? Demonize the press, threaten speech that they don’t like.

Incorrect. Dictators close the newspapers, smash the presses, and imprison speakers they don't like (Dinesh D'Souza, Mark Basseley Youssef, Tommy Robinson, et al.) and memory-hole their products.

And what's so bad about demonization (the go-to word of the left when its collective hand is caught in the cookie jar)? If Trump is demonizing the press he's only returning the favor.

PackerBronco said...

What do dictators do first? Demonize the press, threaten speech that they don’t like.

You know nothing of history. The first thing that dictators do is promise a free lunch to the masses.

Michael K said...

Inga has been busy today.

makes many people question his respect for the First Amendment right to free speech.

I don't see that. Was DeNero arrested for shouting "Fuck Trump" on TV ?

Of course not. We want the left to look as stupid and nasty as possible. This is how you get more Trump.

Thanks for participating, Inga.

pacwest said...

Chuck, you wrote:
"I have lots of criticisms of Trump. I don't think any of my criticisms are "deranged"".

Why Althouse tagged this post with TDS I don't know. Yes I watched it. Must be some other outlet's reaction to it. I was simply pointing out your inability to give credit where it is due. I believe this qualifies as TDS, although a milder form of it than Inga's. Process, process, process. The process was broken long before Trump. Romney lost. It is not a gentleman's game anymore.

gilbar said...

LLR says: I have lots of criticisms of Trump. I don't think any of my criticisms are "deranged."
i read your posts, and have keep track of anything you said about Trump Not 'deranged'

Here's the list:

daskol said...

Chuck: I think the TDS tag was ironic because it was a case of someone calling Trump a dictator but it clearly was not TDS. Irony. It's even more ironic in my take because I think the young newslady's slip was complimentary, as in dictator= two all powerful men. Trump is more than a president somehow in her mind. He's her daddy.

Michael K said...

I finally heard the "two dictators" on a third view of the video.

Obviously a slip.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck: "And all that I wonder is what "Trump Derangement Syndrome" means anymore,..."


Look in the mirror Maddow-boy.