Well, that's the perfect embodiment of what I mean by my tag "civility bullshit."
It's from E.J. Dionne Jr., "Don’t want a right-wing Supreme Court? Do everything you can to stop it" (WaPo). Everything?!
All the recent talk about civility should not stop opponents of a right-wing court from doing everything in their power to keep the judiciary from being packed with ideologues who behave as partisans.It seems to me Trump won the election and he has the appointment power. He made Supreme Court appointments an issue and was strikingly clear about who he would appoint. I understand the motivation to oppose and obstruct him, but I don't think opposing him or going down without a fight has anything to do with civility. If those who want Trump's nominee confirmed are talking about civility, then they are the one's doing civility bullshit, and Dionne is just calling them on it.
But Dionne is doing a little something more: "There is nothing civil about rushing... no rule of civility demands confirmation...." He's gesturing (weakly) at the idea that there is something uncivil about rushing and that there is a rule of civility that demands that the Senate wait. The thing gestured at is hard to defend, so why not dribble out statements about what is not and avoid the trouble of making the difficult point? I'll say that too is a kind of civility bullshit.
But most of Dionne's civility bullshit is out and proud: He doesn't care about civility when it holds his side back. Because the other side is so awful it doesn't deserve the niceties that developed in the mythical past when good people amicably jousted over differences.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 257 of 257LLR Chuck: "There is a phenomenon in Congress wherein all sorts of divergent votes get cast, when the outcome is no longer in doubt"
LOL
Wow.
Thanks Captain Obvious!
Blogger Bay Area Guy said...”I dodged and played nice-nice. It's worth it.”
Yeah, I just keep my mouth shut around friends, neighbors, and family because you’re right, it’s not worth it. But it offends me that I have to.
Blogger roesch/voltaire said...” Garland would have been a reasonable non-activest judge compared to what we may get.”
We did get a reasonable non-activist judge. His name is Neil Gorsuch.
@Orig Mike:
Yeah, I just keep my mouth shut around friends, neighbors, and family because you’re right, it’s not worth it. But it offends me that I have to.
I still can't get over how lucky we are. It defies all logic and reason.
1. If the Dems run Joseph Biden, not Hillary, her e-mail problems quietly go away, and Dems probably win.
2. Even with Hillary, most people believed she'd win. I don't recall anyone predicting that Trump would get Wis, Mich, and Penn.
3. If Hillary wins, Comey is given an Ambassadorship or Judgeship, McCabe is made Director of the FBI, the "collusion" and FISA issues go away, and the Supreme Court is about to be a 6-3 liberal majority.
4. All border enforcement ceases; California politics begins to spread eastward.
I could go on and on.
So, at bottom, I feel a deep sense of gratitude at what we have, not a sense of confrontation against the Left who'd like to take it away.
I think one of the fundamental differences I have with a lot of the more adamant conservatives is that I think someone can be left, left-leaning, "liberal," or what have you, and not be a constant threat.
This mistakes the nature of the threat. The constancy doesn't come from an individual, it comes from the the cumulative impact of their political force. The primary drivers are institutions which are so controlled by the far left the reasonable left you identify (Althouse for example) is considered not left by anyone in position to meaningfully influence policy.
So despite the existence of left leaners who recognize corrupting Title IX into gender driven witch hunts is wrong we still have them because left institutions (mainly academia, media, and their allied NGOs) push these insanities.
Yeah, I just keep my mouth shut around friends, neighbors, and family because you’re right, it’s not worth it. But it offends me that I have to.
That's the goal. If they can force non-leftists into the closet it's so much easier to demonize them.
I wonder where they learned that?
BAG: "I could go on and on"
Don't!!
LLR Chuck can only absorb so much bad news at once...
”I could go on and on.”
We dodged a big one.
It’s enough. I don’t need (nor want) to rub anybody’s face in it.
Well, except maybe Inga’s.
I think someone can be left, left-leaning, "liberal," or what have you, and not be a constant threat
Absolutely. American conservatives are classical liberals tempered by Judeo-Christian religious/moral philosophy. Liberalism is divergent, but in degrees. Leftism is a bias for single, central, monolithic solutions, and can be a rational choice, the right choice. Ideology, character, people are a constellation, not linear, not merely multi-dimensional, and not monotonic.
There is no "bar". There is only a vague and high level constitutional constraints on the senate. The above simple majority requirements are few and specific. Besides, the Obamacare structure is weak because they changed the Senate bar by weaseling around the money rule.
Don't complain about the Electrical Collage then demand Cloture.
in the meantime, President Trump is in Wisconsin again. This time breaking ground on the new Foxconn plant that will employ 13,000.
There will probably be some folks who complain about winning.
I'm not one.
John Henry
"2. Even with Hillary, most people believed she'd win. I don't recall anyone predicting that Trump would get Wis, Mich, and Penn."
-- There was that one poster. Mick, I think? We all thought he was crazy. He, uh, might still be. But he was crazy-right.
Why would Joe Biden win, BAG?
How many times in the past 200 years has a VP or former VP been elected to the presidency?
There's Bush and Nixon. Then you have to go back 175 years to Van Buren.
VP is a disqualification for the presidency.
Especially if it is Slow Joe Biden.
John Henry
Matthew,
I think I was predicting here that Donald Trump would win. I wasn't convinced enough to put money on it but I did say it.
John Henry
A few people said he'd win; I thought what made Mick semi-memorable was he got the EV split right too. Or maybe I'm misremembering.
”Why would Joe Biden win, BAG?”
If it had been Biden instead of Hillary, I’m not sure I would have voted. I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Biden wins, IMHO.
I think if Biden had replaced Hillary, enough Clinton supporters would have soured on her "getting a bad deal," to hurt Biden's chances. If he'd legitimately won the primary, I think he'd be in a stronger position to win. Replacing Clinton mid-campaign was going to kneecap the Democrats, much like primarying a sitting president is almost guaranteed to do.
But, I bet Republicans will do that anyway.
Why would Joe Biden win, BAG?
Total speculation, but my gut is that Hillary had tremendous baggage over the deleted e-mails and FBI investigation and that Trump successfully hammered at both.
With Biden, that line of attack is gone. And, more so, Biden does have a bit of street cred in Pennsylvania.
No argument from me, just gut speculation.
”Replacing Clinton mid-campaign was going to kneecap the Democrats,...”
Well, I buy that. I’m presuming Biden gets there the normal way.
"CNN says that those Foxconn jobs are not the kinds of jobs people should want."
-- I remember asking my parents what sort job should I get. "The first one that pays you, then go ahead and try for whatever you want," was the advice I got. Good advice, I think.
I am still shocked the democrats ran a candidate under such a legal cloud. The democrats complain about the FBI interfering in the election. But they chose to run a candidate under freaking FBI investigation!
”CNN says that those Foxconn jobs are not the kinds of jobs people should want."
What the hell do they want?
That's the goal. If they can force non-leftists into the closet it's so much easier to demonize them.
They're counting on it. They know we're the tolerant ones.
In fact, they want to make us think we're in the minority---deplorable lepers, not accepted in society. And they own the media. so that's the overarching narrative. But Trump won because there really are a lot of us and, just because most are quiet about it, doesn't mean the sentiments aren't there. The new 'Silent Majority'.
There's a large grey area between active celebration and confrontation and staying in the closet.
When I'm in Orange County -- active celebration and confrontation.
When I'm in downtown Oakland, well, one must be a more savvy........
"Yeah, I just keep my mouth shut around friends, neighbors, and family because you’re right, it’s not worth it. But it offends me that I have to."
Yeah. I quit doing that. Now I just say what I think.
Now there are a lot less people to buy for at christmas.
If E. J.Dionne ever had an original thought no one can find it. He's just one reporter that makes The Washington Post the greatest high school newspaper in the country.
Blogger Fabi said...
One more time for our lefty dullards: Kagan was confirmed by the senate in August of 2010 -- three months before a midterm election.
And Breyer was nominated by Clinton and confirmed the summer of 1994, before that election.
One of fundamental differences I have with scarlet R's like Sablan is that I think that someone should be able to disagree with progs and Democrats without being subject to assault, termination, and social alienation. People can disagree without shooting guys playing softball, or without chasing a family with elderly folks and children out of a restaurant and across the street into a different restaurant and have a mob incited to terrorize them. People can disagree without wanting to kill everyone else. Progs and Democrat party members are unable to manage this apparently, but the internet....
Michael Fitzgerald: I agree but it seems we are living in alternate universes, the left and the right. Groupthink, in their universe, is more hysterical [because more women?] and irrational and, therefore, more dangerous. My ex-friend convinces me by her remarks today that, in their eyes, Trump is Hitler and we who support him are fascists--and he and we need to be stopped. The fact that it is they who act like brownshirts is totally lost on them.
Commenters here talking about keeping their opinions to themselves need to start speaking up in order to make progs and Democrats defend their support for this anti-American fascist political party with a despicable past, present and future. You all are the reason why hateful deranged prog rhetoric is openly spewed throughout society, while Republicans have to shut up or risk assault. Stand up for yourselves!
”Commenters here talking about keeping their opinions to themselves need to start speaking up in order to make progs and Democrats defend their support for this anti-American fascist political party with a despicable past, present and future. You all are the reason why hateful deranged prog rhetoric is openly spewed throughout society, while Republicans have to shut up or risk assault. Stand up for yourselves!”
It’s my fault? Fuck that.
Stand up for yourselves!
And stand up for your country! And your President!
I'm with Rusty @4:06. I speak my mind in front of progs. They can kiss my ass.
Fighting with your neighbors is the pits. To be avoided if at all possible.
Mockturtle @4:59 Yes! Time for Americans to stand up for their country against Democrat party members!
"My ex-friend convinces me by her remarks today that, in their eyes, Trump is Hitler and we who support him are fascists--and he and we need to be stopped."
I've been saying that Democrat leaders like Obama and Hillary would be Stalin if they could, and those who support them are communists, and that they need to be stopped, my entire adult life.
Problem is, lefties don't really think those are insults. And conservatives of the NeverTrump variety always, always, always step up to be the first in line to defend them, screaming and hurling invectives at anyone who calls liberals out as communists or communist tools, because they bought the literally-Stalinist narrative about Joe McCarthy hook, line and sinker. Well, that, or they're paid operatives infiltrating the GOP just like the left has infiltrated every other institution in the last 60 years... or in other words, McCarthy was talking about them, and once again he was right. I actually suspect the latter is more likely.
Jim at said...
we can block presidential nominations for any election excuse we want; - R/V
With 49 votes? That'll be a neat trick.
Show us how, Professor Numbers.
They would probably use the Hodgkinson Plan to win the vote by killing at least three Republicans, and assume they would win 49-48.
Chuck's favorite senator Jeff Flake (Cuck-AZ) has been in private meetings with CNN and MSNBC! Nothing says "real Republican" and "true conservative" like a confab with the MSM. Lulz
Original Mike@5:05 Fighting with your neighbors, like Rand Paul? Sure, OM, just keep quiet and head down and maybe the progs won't notice you when they go out looking for non-party members to attach.
My neighbors are not going to attack me, but life is too short to be feuding with them.
Chuck's favorite senator Jeff Flake (Cuck-AZ) has been in private meetings with CNN and MSNBC! Nothing says "real Republican" and "true conservative" like a confab with the MSM. Lulz
And we know from yesterday's post that Chuck is a regular listener to NPR. Just like any LLR.
Mockturtle, check out a prog Twitter timeline or Facebook page- These mental cases are telling themselves that they are like the Jews of Nazi Germany. The thugs and scumbags attacking women and children, enforcing prog speech and behavior codes, paying gangs to riot and assault political rivals, and calling for assassinations are just like the poor and oppressed Jews of Nazi Germany.
And certain cucks right here with us just wish that Republicans would learn that Democrat party members are not a "constant threat". Yeah, thanks for the advice, cuck. We'll be fine as long as we don't piss off the wrong prog. So heads down and hush up, and you won't be constantly threatened... Fucking cucks.
Mockturtle, check out a prog Twitter timeline or Facebook page-
I have neither FB nor Twitter but I'll take your word for it.
" ...but this one goes to 11 !!" say the progs re: packing the Court
Matthew Sablan said...
"I think one of the fundamental differences I have with a lot of the more adamant conservatives is that I think someone can be left, left-leaning, "liberal," or what have you, and not be a constant threat."
You obviously don't have a job where they fire people for their political views. In that environment, "a constant threat" is exactly what your liberal co-workers are. Of course, the really dangerous ones are the people with put-you-in-jail-free cards -- blacks, women, LGHTQEPNYSTRVBs. When they lie, HR believes them.
Elections have consequences.
@Matthew Sablan: There was that one poster. Mick, I think? We all thought he was crazy. He, uh, might still be. But he was crazy-right.
Mick was a moby. He was here to flog birther conspiracies and his pro-Trump posts were to encourage Republicans to vote for a hopeless candidate.
That's why he disappeared after the election. What's the point of being a moby if the ridiculous things you say actually happen?
wake me up when the left apologizes for their horrendous treatment of Robert Bork.
Dionne doesn't believe people who disagree with him deserve "civility."
Never has.
Bay Area Guy said...
2. Even with Hillary, most people believed she'd win. I don't recall anyone predicting that Trump would get Wis, Mich, and Penn.
I predicted Wisconsin and Virginia and Nevada would go Trump.
Yeah, I just keep my mouth shut around friends, neighbors, and family because you’re right, it’s not worth it. But it offends me that I have to.
Friends and Neighbors no.
They can't hurt my family through me.
Professionally/Educationally you have to keep your head down in order to provide for your family. Leftists are willing to destroy livelihoods and families to punish their political opponents.
They are disgusting people and they should be treated as such.
I think Trump and McConnell should show the Democrats just as much respect and mercy as Obama and Reid did to the Republicans.
Matthew Sablan said...
A few people said he'd win; I thought what made Mick semi-memorable was he got the EV split right too. Or maybe I'm misremembering.
Mick predicted a landslide and generally 400ish EV's for Trump.
I predicted a Trump win among legal voters and only illegal votes in Nevada and Virginia would give Hillary the win if she won those states. The democrats were prepared and illegal votes did turn those states but Pennsylvania and Michigan were a nice surprise.
If the Democrats knew about Pennsylvania and Michigan they would have turned out a few more illegal voters in Detroit and Philadelphia.
Trump would have won the popular vote if California didn't have voting booths in Mexico.
if a centuries' worth of "progress"
(toward's who's utopia?)
depends soley on 1 of 9 guys in robes
Then it wasn't "progress" to begin with
People live in a culture, and the libs, hollywood, and schools have won their minds
A sign:
The FBI is celebrating gay lesbian and transgender MONTH
Its "who you fuck" month
with the sexually lost thrown in for good measure
I hope its Boricua in the ass month soon because I'd love to celebrate that with my new commie love interest..
For 30 years Dems were able to enjoy the benefits of mealy brained Tony, by Borking and Ginsberging., thus avoiding their fate. Bring it on you limp waisted punks.
Professionally/Educationally you have to keep your head down in order to provide for your family. Leftists are willing to destroy livelihoods and families to punish their political opponents. .
"Only those who will lie can work and prosper under fascism" - Ernest Hemingway (I paraphrase)
He was talking about Franco, BTW.
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