President Trump on Friday placed himself at the center of the remarkable summit between the leaders of North and South Korea, taking credit for bold and innovative diplomacy that may open a path to peace where other leaders failed.That's the paraphrase, and here's the actual quote:
“It’s certainly something that I hope I can do for the world,” Trump said. “This is beyond the United States. This is a world problem, and it’s something that I hope I’m able to do for the world.”Trump's quote sounds rather modest to me, but WaPo insists that we see it as raging narcissism.
The dramatic turn of events on the Korean Peninsula was the capstone to a week that crystallized the ways Trump has established his foreign policy approach as one that rests largely on the pride he takes in busting the old conventions of diplomatic negotiations and remaking them in his image...By the way, I'm surprised WaPo accepts the slang "busting" (for "bursting").
“We get a kick every once in a while out of the fact that I’ll be watching people that failed so badly over the last 25 years explaining to me how to make a deal with North Korea,” Trump cracked during a White House news conference Friday with [Angela] Merkel. “ I get a big, big kick out of that.”...I don't see how that's making himself "the axis on which events in Asia and Europe spin." He's saying he representing the United States and not purporting to represent the interests of the whole world. The leaders of other countries must and do represent their own countries, and it's not fair for the United States, uniquely, to subordinate its interests to everyone else's. That's not making himself the central axis.
Trump, who is broadly unpopular in Germany, shrugged off a German reporter’s question about his “aggressive tweeting” and blunt diplomatic style.
“I believe that — you know, when I look at the numbers in Germany — and some other countries, they may not like Donald Trump but you have to understand, that means I’m doing a good job because I’m representing the United States,” he said.
By the way, "axis" is a terrible word to stick in our head when you're trying to sell the idea of the virtue of Germany — "Europe’s most populous country, and is the longest-serving leader among the major European powers — a mainstay of the kind of cautious consensus politics Trump instinctively rejects"?
Longest-serving, like all the way back to the 1930s and 40s?
In 1936, Benito Mussolini said, “This Berlin-Rome protocol is not a barrier, it is rather an axis around which all European States animated by a desire for peace may collaborate on trouble." That's quoted in "Why We Call the Axis Powers the Axis Powers" (Smithsonian).
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where other leaders, especially Obama, failed.
That's what I read in the Honest Washington Post.
Hmm...that's a great idea for a twitter feed. Honest Washington Post, that re-writes Post articles and tweets them out.
I wish I had time.
And Hillary's bundle of sticks (Stronger Together) was Mussolini's symbol for his fascist government.
The WaPoo is the heart of the Resistance.
It is the house organ for the Deep State low ranking members in DC and environs.
No wonder Bezos bought it for a dollar.
Compare the use of "I" and "we" in any Obama speech. By that standard, almost anybody else comes across as humble.
Every news story about Trump is an opinion piece.
The WaPoo can't admit that Trump can MAGA.
""axis" is a terrible word to stick in our head"
Progs gonna prog.
I appreciate the fisking and all, but these are just variations on the #Resistance theme.
But it does illustrate an amusing prog dilemma: are they gonna say, WaPo-style, "Trump makes himself the axis" or, Cook-style, "What does Trump have to do with this?"
If NK and SK formally end the war and actually de-nuclearize, what will the Wash Post spin be as it relates to our President?
The NORK situation is better but, being a skeptic, I will wait to see how it actually turns out. I am sure of one thing: Trump will not give away the store as so many before him have done.
Reading the WAPO ( once again , Ann, thank you for doing so) in a different light one could say that they have made quite a concession by admitting that neither Merkel (who took 4 months to form a government) nor Macron can be claimed as"the leader of the western world". (Macron didn't even last a week in that position.) Before you know it the WAPO might even be reporting the news!
WAPO grinding their axis.
Yeah, "placed himself" and "taking credit". As I was taught, it ain't braggin' if it's true. Trump and his approach made this happen.
-sw
I believe Russia is the most populous country in Europe?
(~100 million west of the Urals.)
The South Koreans seem positively giddy about these peace talks. If Kim pulls another Lucy van Pelt, President Moon and a lot of other people there will have egg all over their faces. I don't think they would have gone this far out over their skis if they did not have considerable faith that something good is going to come out of this.
Trump: Bold as Love?
'Trump makes himself the axis on which events in Asia and Europe spin...'
taking credit for bold and innovative diplomacy that may open a path to peace where other leaders failed
If 6 was 9
If the sun refuse to shine,
I don't mind, I don't mind,
If the mountains fell in the sea,
let it be, it ain't me.
Alright, 'cos I got my own world to look through,
And I ain't gonna copy you.
I knew Trump would be a good president. I”m beginning to think he’ll be a great one.
Still to come... breaking the alliance between the Democratic Party and black urban gangs by convincing middle class blacks that there’s a better way, a more profitable way to go than giving in to the gangs.
I think Trump is the man to do it.
I think that this Axis refers to the rhyme, "Donnie Borden took and an axis and gave Kim Jong Un forty whacks, and when WAPO saw what he had done, he gave Ali Khamenei forty one."
While we’re on the topic of presidential narcissism any word on whether sea levels have started rising again?
The axis isn't where the action is. An axle might be, but for free spinning it's the stuff furthest from the axis that runs things.
If in addition to spinning it's rolling, then it's non-holonomic. You can't use lagrange's equations.
MSM three months ago: Trump is going to cause WWIII.
MSM now: Trump deserves none of the credit for events on the Korean Peninsula.
Busting for breaking seems fine to me. Trust busting, busted flush, went bust.
Soros is dumping a lot of money into the second movie.
Axis is a misnomer. Mussolini was saying "Axes"--as in the variour Axe body sprays available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfJJeVHt57o
WAPO is trying to defuse Scott Adams's recent observations about mental prisons and who can break out of them.
Save the prison!
Forget it Jake, it's progressivism.
Progressivism is Fascism and Fascism is progressivism.
Always has been. Always will be.
No difference at all between them.
John Henry
Trump's enemies in the media inspire Trump to say some of the things he says. He knows it will drive them bat shit crazy, and it does.
There is also Kim Jong'un himself. If he pulls some sort of a stunt (what kind?) again, how will he spin it in the North after all this hurrahing? How many iPhones do they have up there now?
Darrell
To be fair to Crooked Hillary, the US has been using the fasces symbology (bundle of sticks) for a couple hundred years. E pluribus unum and so on.
One could make a weak argument that Mussolini lifted it from us. A weak argument since we lifted it from ancient Romans
John Henry
"when I look at the numbers in Germany — and some other countries, they may not like Donald Trump but you have to understand, that means I’m doing a good job because I’m representing the United States"
Angela: Vas ist deez "udzering"?
Repeal the 22nd Amendment!
Ann, at this point in your Trump hagiography blogging career you are not even trying to be logical or even make any sense. Did you even read the quote by Trump that you copied and pasted in the first part of this post? Trump said yesterday
“It’s certainly something that I hope I can do for the world,” and “This is beyond the United States. This is a world problem, and it’s something that I hope I’m able to do for the world.”
But you then write later “He's saying he representing the United States and not purporting to represent the interests of the whole world.”
I guess becoming an uncritical fan girl means that you can just lazily swoon over your hero and not even bother with any logical thought.
Pathetic.
But your Althouse Hillbillies will lap it up. So, you got that.
the US has been using the fasces symbology (bundle of sticks) for a couple hundred years.
We use an olive branch in one hand and a fleet of arrows in the other. And from many, one. Quite different from Hillary's direct take.
I'd rather be an Althouse Hillbilly than an Althouse BillHilly, like Now.
When the NeverTrumpers have lost Phil 3:14, they may not have a path to 270.
One wonders when the NeverTrumpers will concede the election.
"Busting for breaking seems fine to me. Trust busting, busted flush, went bust."
It's fine slang. The question is whether serious journalism should use slang in ordinary sentences that are not quoting or referring to common speech.
And note that the writer is trying to rest on the importance of maintaining convention: "the pride he takes in busting the old conventions."
If you mean to impugn his deviation from convention, that would be a good time to model conventionality.
Say "exploding the old conventions" or "throwing out the old conventions" or "flouting the old conventions."
Althouse: Say "exploding the old conventions" or "throwing out the old conventions" or "flouting the old conventions."
What the hell does James Galway have to do with all this?
I think bust is fine. Is it even slang?
Burst seems to imply an explosive action as in burst a balloon. Bust is more like breakin. Bust down a door.
John Henry
"Hope and Change" Now..
Hope and Change.
"this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal"
Bust, like in the Democratic Party.
Once written... should be holding the hand of a NeverTrumper fired by Red State.
Do something useful !
From a lefty/LLR ally perspective, we may need to give more credit to Joseph Kennedy III's rebuttal speech to Trump that really got this NK/SK/China ball rolling.
And JKIII didn't even have to whack a chick to get it done.
Kudos.
Say "exploding the old conventions" or "throwing out the old conventions" or "flouting the old conventions."
How about "disrupting". Disruption is good, right ?
I wonder what President Atlas is planning to do today regarding NK. I can't wait to see the results.
Needless to say, Mueller will be indicting Kim Jong Un any moment now for the unforgiveable sin of .... wait for it ... (no, not killing his people) ... talking to DJT.
If that's not prima facie evidence of a mental intent to do something wrong, then I'll eat my Avocado and Chip hat!
tcrosse:
Creative destruction, maybe? Actual competition in business is a good thing for society but much harder to maintain advantage long-term.
The random walk is difficult. And it's not just a hypothesis.
If Leviathan is reduced, businesses will not be able to count on government's helping hand outs. Trillions of dollars are at stake.
"Busting for breaking seems fine to me. Trust busting, busted flush, went bust."
Aristotle Contemplating a Bust of Homer.
Having lived in Europe for the last four years, traveled all over Europe and with many European friends in various countries, I've come to realize that people over here are fundamentally ignorant of the US, so their opinions should not carry a great deal of weight. The majority of the press over here runs the gamut from left to Maoist, as opposed to center left to socialist in the US, so people over here get fed the same line of BS that the main stream media feeds the US population about Republicans, only in spades. The great irony is that they tend to believe whatever they read about US politics, but they are always dubious about reporting on their own leaders because they know their media is hyper partisan. That dichotomy makes no sense to me, but what the average person over here thinks is of little consequence to his own government so why should our government care? I think Trump's attitude is spot on.
It Trump offered the WaPo liberals a twenty dollar bill they'd complain that they really wanted two fives and a ten.
After looking at the picture of Merkel and Trump walking together, where is the criticism of Merkel's girth?
the US has been using the fasces symbology (bundle of sticks) for a couple hundred years.
A bundle of sticks used to be called a faggot, which could be an apt symbol for Obama.
Foreign opinion of the US is highly determined by the US MSM, which as jaydub notes, is trusted implicitly on US news, where it isn't on foreign news (or that specific to each country).
And it is further filtered by the local MSM besides.
It leads to the peculiar situation whereby a great deal of antiamericanism is and has long been generated by the American press.
Trump, that magnificent bastard, is always trying to bust a move.
The question is whether serious journalism should use slang in ordinary sentences that are not quoting or referring to common speech.
The question is how soon do they pack it in and begin using emojis in the headlines?
A limited Google image search only shows one association of E Pluribus Unum with sticks, and that's from an Occupy-type organization trying to pretend that it's within our tradition.
With Trump the is no hope.
But there is plenty of change.
jaydub:
Gell-Mann Amnesia is a real condition. True in Europe. True everywhere.
Althouse postulates that there is a thing which can accurately be described as "serious journalism" but experience leads a reasonable observer to question that as a possibility.
Maybe Wapo reporters should try reading Trump's quotes in Obama's voice before coming up with their interpretations.
The conventional wisdom claimed that Hillary Clinton was going to win the 2016 election by so much, that she might even take Texas. Because, after all, Donald Trump was never going to get past her Blue Wall of upper Midwest states. Then the conventional wisdom was that we were going to have to figure out how to buy off Kim Jong-Un when he started making threats about ICBMs with nuclear warheads. And absolutely, positively, Trump's "bellicose" (their word) tweets were certain to start World War III. And the Trump tax cuts were going to lead to economic disaster.
It seems to me that the conventional wisdom isn't very wise.
"Althouse hillbillies" = "basket of deplorables" = Trump's re-election.
Keep it up, kids.
I would absolutely hate to be Big Mike when certain unnamed parties read his comment.
The wrath that must be visited on a person espousing that sort of WrongThink will be awful to behold.
Birkel:
MSM three months ago: Trump is going to cause WWIII.
MSM now: Trump deserves none of the credit for events on the Korean Peninsula.
Ha, was just discussing this at home yesterday - wondering what form the MSM's "in spite of Trump" spin was going to take, should things substantially improve re Korea. If it goes pear-shaped (i.e., back to what it's always been), then Trump will have ruined the long efforts of the diplomats, just when they were going to get results.
Re: criticisms of writing style in WaPo (busted, axis). AA imagines that the young journalists of today are just younger versions of the journalists she read in her youth. Those journalists were trained in prose style and English grammar and usage. The 20-somethings of today --no matter how intelligent or well educated -- are (with very few exceptions) totally untrained in those subjects. They read little and listen a lot, so they take their cues about proper usage (and spelling) from what they hear (on TV, radio, conversations with friends, etc). Last week WaPo had an article about some black people who had been mistreated, and the story -- intending to refer to a spate of recent incidents -- instead used the word "spade". Spell check doesn't catch it, and it sounds like the word you've heard other smart people use so ....
I bet if AA would think about it, she would realize that she has seen this trend among her law students over the past 30 years.
Rory said...A limited Google image search only shows one association of E Pluribus Unum with sticks, and that's from an Occupy-type organization trying to pretend that it's within our tradition.
Let me help you. How about the reverse of the US "Mercury" dime, which was in circulation during the entire fascist period? The words e pluribus unum could not be closer to the fasces link
You're welcome.
The WaPo and other Trump haters are just pissed off that the Korean honor guard for Kim all wore Melania hats.
Talk about an "hommage"!
Jeff Bezos should probably sell The Washington Post. It’s only a meter of time before people start to do the math and start questioning his impartiality and the long term effects of his virtual monopoly.
“I alone can fix it”.
Donald Trump
Truism: It's always in the last place you look.
After you find it, you quit looking.
If Donald Trump fixes the Korean Peninsula, his statement will become a truism.
Thanks for reminding us, Royal ass Inga.
“I alone can fix it”.
Donald Trump
Nobody else even tried.
@Inga: If the Korean War ends, then someone should step forward for credit. It’s unlikely that it was spontaneous.
I suspect that Chinese officials had a hand in the latest developments, but no one is talking about that. Remember the special train to Peking?
Who knows? Maybe it was the Olymics that turned the tide. Kim saw what fun was being had and wanted to be part of it and it dawned on him that he has to move his country out of the self imposed prison it was in. Maybe he wanted a little bit of love ( and glory) that the world was showing to South Korea.
chicklit: I suspect that Chinese officials had a hand in the latest developments, but no one is talking about that. Remember the special train to Peking?
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Actually, there was quite a bit of talk and speculation about that, especially in the context of China's grave concern that another underground nuclear test in the North would release huge amounts of contaminating radioactive fallout, enough to severely harm millions of Chinese and Koreans. The Chinese may have told Kim to stop testing, and make a deal.
I am not convinced that Donald Trump is broadly unpopular among the German people. Merkel hates him, and press coverage is extremely hostile (the German press has been Gleichschaltunged ever since Hitler took power), but in response to the hostile articles, reader comments in forums and posted directly to articles often present quite different views. And that surprises me, given that it is such a contrast to the attitudes they are uniformly fed.
But in any case, Germans can't have missed that Trump's refusal to knuckle down to Kim seems to have produced favorable results.
I am beginning to see changes in the German press coverage: https://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article175886239/Es-ist-eine-GroKo-Tag-45-Wenn-deutsche-Medien-ueber-Trump-schreiben-denke-ich-an-die-DDR.html
The above opinion article in Die Welt takes issue with the Spiegel's opinion that "The entire world laughs at Trump and has contempt for him". The Welt article comments that this is pure propaganda reminiscent of the DDR. I have also read commentary taking issue with various Trump over-criticisms by readers in multiple newspapers.
From a cursory look at both reader comments and press coverage regarding Friday's visit, I get the sense that we have reached a turning point of some sort another - both within the German government and within Europe.
(Eaglebeak)
The Chinese certainly had a hand in it--but presumably because Trump has been leaning on them every which way ever since he took office, including with threats of trade war and some geographically pinpointed saber rattling over the South China Sea, plus the Taiwan travel bill he signed in March, plus his visit to Vietnam (which hates China, had a border war with China in 1979, and needs South China Sea to be open)....
So yeah, China has played a role in the Korea rapprochement, but Trump has been breathing down Xi's neck for 15 months, demanding China act on NoKo.
Now I know wrote: ‘But you then write later “He's saying he representing the United States and not purporting to represent the interests of the whole world.”
I guess becoming an uncritical fan girl means that you can just lazily swoon over your hero and not even bother with any logical thought.’
Because, you see, in the stilted, right brain world of the lefty NeverTrumpers it is not possible to represent the United States while doing things that are in the best interests of the world without “purporting” to do so.
Not surprising on the heels of the Obots who did neither effectively, but in whose world “purporting” was everything.
"I bet if AA would think about it, she would realize that she has seen this trend among her law students over the past 30 years."
I did not notice a decline. It seemed to me that people knew how to write. I always included the instruction to write in complete sentences (and don't use abbreviations). Since they were forbidden to just jot down notes/outlines but had to write sentences, they gave me good sentences. I don't remember ever feeling bad about the decline of writing ability. I also said write clearly and concisely and make sure everything you write is answering the question asked. They knew what I wanted and they were able to give it.
Trump should have simply replied, "How many electoral votes does Germany have?"
Ya know, the tattooed eccentric former NBA star, Dennis Rodman, was a favorite of Trump on The Apprentice. Same guy who visited Kim several times in the past.
Typically modest, he has so far avoided well deserved accolades., or any mention at all.
@Althouse, maybe the quality of the writing is the difference between the students who chose a bachelor's in journalism vs. students who chose law school?
Rory,
I am not sure whether there is a direct association between E pluribus Unum and the fasces, though they are often co-located. Such as on the dime. I was thinking more conceptually. Each individual state (and bear in mind the meaning of "state", especially at that time) was weak, Together, unum and fasces, they are strong. "We will all stand together or will all hang separately." Franklin(?)
European Union is a similar idea, though perhaps poorly executed. A bunch of individual states joined together to be stronger than the sum of the whole.
Darrel, I know the sense Crooked Hillary meant it. She meant it in the Fascist/progressive sense. I keep waiting for someone to ask her about problems with today's airlines and for her to promise that "Under my administration, the planes will fly on time."
John Henry
The WaPoo strikes AGAIN.
Did Trump slow the rising seas?
Because that's the standard nowadays.
Because, after all, Donald Trump was never going to get past her Blue Wall of upper Midwest states.
Each and every day, we should thank Jill Stein voters for that.
They gave us Trump.
John Henry is right about the “bundle of sticks,” so-called fasces — symbol of political power in ancient Rome — also being ancient (though not quite as antiquated) in America.
To illustrate this fact, I’ve provided a few pieces of artwork delightfully demonstrating the matter.
1) For a start, for instance, in the hallowed metaphorical heart of America — that is, the geometric center of the Capitol of the United States, in Washington, D.C. (visible to all the tourists) — we have the huge hemispherical mural decorating the entire interior of the Capitol dome — via Constantino Brumidi's stunning masterpiece “The Apotheosis [Deification] of Washington” (1865).
Six tableaus of War, Science, “Marine,” Commerce, Mechanics, and Agriculture decorate the sides of the great dome; while forming a halo surrounding its center we have a constellation of thirteen Starry maidens (or 13 “state” goddesses!) — together hoisting up a banner proclaiming E Pluribus Unum!
At the vertex of the dome George Washington sits enthroned above a rainbow, regarding us mere mortals from on high as Lord of Hosts and Supreme Judge of the Universe.
Gesturing at the Law/Constitution with his right hand, upraising a downturned Sword with the other, the deified Washington sits flanked by the goddess of Victory/Fame on his left (who is cradling a Palm of victory, whilst flourishing the Clarion of fame!), and by the goddess of Liberty on his right — the latter holding out the Law for Washington to brandish, whilst simultaneously grasping and flourishing the traditional Roman fasces of authority!
Thus the Dome of the Capitol of the United States.
2) Elsewhere in the U.S. Capitol building, there’s another piece of art by Brumidi (who was the official U.S. Capitol artist) entitled “Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus,” about the famous ancient Roman farmer of that name who in a time of war became a general, saving Rome in battle, then afterwards (rather than seizing power as king or dictator), instead abandoned politics, retiring back to his farm. The U.S. city of Cincinnati, Ohio, is named in honor of him; while the America’s first President, George Washington is famous for doing likewise (twice actually).
In the Cincinnatus painting, notice what the two Romans in the left-foreground are holding: fasces.
3) Finally, we have the famous statue “George Washington” by sculptor Jean-Antonine Houdon (made in 1788), which today stands in the Virginia state capitol in Richmond, Virginia. It has been praised as showing perhaps the “truest likeness” of Washington. Notice what G.W. in this piece is leaning on (besides his cane).
Trump has established his foreign policy approach as one that rests largely on the pride he takes in busting the old conventions of diplomatic negotiations and remaking them in his image...
By the way, I'm surprised WaPo accepts the slang "busting" (for "bursting").
I don't love "busting" but it is not new. Do we forget Teddy Roosevelt and his "trustbusting?" or the racial phenomenon of "blockbusting?" Also I question whether "bursting" would be an improvement. "Exploding" was au courant hundreds of years ago, say, during the Napoleonic Wars, e.g., this or that myth is quite exploded.
Inga: "Who knows? Maybe it was the Olymics that turned the tide. Kim saw what fun was being had and wanted to be part of it and it dawned on him that he has to move his country out of the self imposed prison it was in. Maybe he wanted a little bit of love ( and glory) that the world was showing to South Korea."
LOL
The lefties are already starting to go "Full Gorbachev Narrative" with Kim Jong Un!
So very, very, very predictable.
Once the left is successful in crediting Kim Jong Un, they will then begin the somewhat longer process of transferring credit to obama/kerry/clinton and dems in general.
It will actually show up in textbooks in 6 months.
Jay Elink said...
Actually, there was quite a bit of talk and speculation about that, especially in the context of China's grave concern that another underground nuclear test in the North would release huge amounts of contaminating radioactive fallout, enough to severely harm millions of Chinese and Koreans. The Chinese may have told Kim to stop testing, and make a deal.
Somewhere around 8 minutes during/after the latest Nork nuclear test there was a 6.3 magnitude earthquake followed by a 4.6.
"Witnesses in the Chinese city of Yanji, on the border with North Korea, said they felt a tremor that lasted roughly 10 seconds, followed by an aftershock. China said it had detected a second, 4.6 magnitude quake with near identical coordinates eight minutes later."
The mountain the Norks were using for test collapsed and has an open volcano like top now as well as being much shorter. The mountain either collapsed on it's own because the Nork scientists were stupid or the collapse was induced 8 minutes later by a tungsten rod dropped from space.
The new radiation volcano is near the Chinese border.
Such as it is the Chinese have decided using North Korea to pester the US is not worth the risk of a nuclear disaster on their border. It doesn't work particularly well with Trump as president and Trump holds them to blame anyways and rightfully so. North Korea has always been a Chinese stalking horse. Trump called China's bluff.
Un was summoned to Beijing and kneecapped. He is afraid of being disappeared. At some point he may flip on Beijing before he disappears.
Once the left is successful in crediting Kim Jong Un, they will then begin the somewhat longer process of transferring credit to obama/kerry/clinton and dems in general.
It will actually show up in textbooks in 6 months.
Yes, the Tucson teachers are all out on strike now so they can get more than a 20% raise to indoctrinate the kids.
After transgender sex info they will start on the voice of the communist party,
"chicklit: I suspect that Chinese officials had a hand in the latest developments, but no one is talking about that. Remember the special train to Peking?"
Of course. Did you look at the photographs of Kim and Xi together? Kim looked like a deer in the headlights and Xis body language said he wanted to anywhere but beside Kim being photographed.
Trump might be an asshole but he knows what he's doing.
He knows people.
The new radiation volcano is near the Chinese border
Tritium is airborne and is readily detected. Watch for international reports from downwind
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