February 5, 2018

"A Super Bowl message from President Trump includes the phrase 'to proudly stand for the National Anthem.'"


I noticed that via "Several Eagles Players Are Already Refusing to Celebrate Super Bowl Win With Trump" in New York Magazine, where I also saw this in the sidebar (from last May): "It’s Gisele Bündchen’s Fault Tom Brady Doesn’t Eat Nightshades."

That means he doesn't eat tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, and peppers (bell and chili). What an awful limitation! But he does have a very beautiful wife....

147 comments:

Ann Althouse said...

Trump has a beautiful wife too, but she doesn't seem to be enlisting him in whatever her restrictive diet is. Or maybe she likes him eating cheeseburgers and fries. From what I've read in liberal commentary, she maybe likes him eating lots and lots and lots of cheeseburgers.

Meade said...

Next season put a little #bacon in your #greenjuice.

For more umph.

Meade said...

For more [Tr]umph.

Big Mike said...

So if he ate tomatoes and potatoes he would have caught the pass on that trick play?

Big Mike said...

Hey! The Eagles players already have good-paying jobs. They don’t see the point of low black unemployment.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Big Mike said...

So if he ate tomatoes and potatoes he would have caught the pass on that trick play?

Maybe if Amandola gave up nightshades it would have been a better pass.

Big Mike said...

Is the objection to Trump splitting his infinitives? Or is it that Trump wrote something at all? Many of the trolls commenting here would object to Trump saying it’s a beautiful morning with lovely blue skies.

Nonapod said...

To proudly split infinitives!

Anonymous said...

I had hoped Tom would retire gracefully and be replaced by Jimmy Garropolo for the next ten years. One thing about people with Brady's competitive fire is they don't know how to quit when they should. Peyton same thing , but his defense rescued him. Brady had a great game in the Super Bowl and a marginal defense doesn't win Super Bowls so Philly won. I still wish we were looking forward to having Garropolo as our starter next year and were off the razor's edge of Brady's age. (the whole foodie thing makes me wonder about a bit about his mental stability) As painful as it was, the 49ers were proven correct in trading Joe Montana and installing Steve Young/ the Packers in trading Favre. The NFL is, after all, just a business. The winter in NE will be interesting.

The Drill SGT said...

36 USC 301 in part:

"all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart"

Henry said...

My guess is that the weird diet and over-programmed fitness routines is one of the things that keeps this marriage alive.

Anonymous said...

I want to correct my assessment of Brady having a "great" game. He had a good game, but he also showed some real weaknesses that will probably get worse in the coming year.

Inga said...

The players who take a knee in protest, does in no way, shape or form dishonor or disrespect or have anything to do with military members serving their country. Most people understand this.

mockturtle said...

NFL players should be protesting racial inequality. Far too few white players. And the NBA is even more discriminatory!

Lance said...

Kale

Robin Eatmon said...

Brady is a more effective QB than most. No reason to retire unless he wants to. He provides great leadership. Too bad Garropolo is not in the wings but that is the way with the NFL and their weird ways. The Eagles played a better game last night and The Pats were not quite as good. That's all. Very enjoyable game.

mccullough said...

Brady’s “good game” is better than any QB. The Patriots owner chose Brady over Bellichick when he told Bellichick to trade Garropolo. Bellichick got out coached again. And his eye for defensive talent is crap. He benched Butler in favor of corners who can’t play. Bellichick days are numbered.

Henry said...

@Khesanh 0802 -- Brady passed for 505 yards, averaging 10.5 yards a completion, and threw for 3 touchdowns against one of the top passing defenses in the league. He was constantly under pressure (Foles was never under pressure) and I'm not sure what he was supposed to do better, other than not get sacked that one time.

exiledonmainstreet said...

CNN poll:

"Overall, 49% say the protesting players are doing the wrong thing to express their political opinion when they kneel during the National Anthem, while 43% say it's the right thing"

buwaya said...

Apparently last nights game had the lowest viewership of any Superbowl in eight years.

And that is in spite of unprecedented publicity efforts and popular teams. And, according to most reports, a good game.

It does not take more than a substantial minority boycotting to make the whole sport uneconomical.

rhhardin said...

The anthem and sports events are social idiocy.

Henry said...

Butler did not have a great season and should not be compared to his performance in 2016. People point out that Foles threw successfully against Butler's replacement, Rowe, but that Eagles attack was notable for how many catches their receivers made in coverage.

Gahrie said...

The players who take a knee in protest, does in no way, shape or form dishonor or disrespect or have anything to do with military members serving their country. Most people understand this.

Incorrect....it dishonors and disrespects the nation that the military members sacrificed for, which implies their service was worthless or even evil. Most people understand this.

Curious George said...

"He was constantly under pressure..."

False. He had a couple of "hurries" early, and then nothing until the last two series of the game.

Bay Area Guy said...

Kneeling for the National Anthem to "protest" vague perceived injustices, somewhere, against some people, is just plain ignorant. Sorry.

If black or even white football players (many of whom are millionaires) want to "do" something positive, they should proudly stand for the National Anthem, but then donate their time and $$ to whatever cause they feel strongly about.

On the merits and the politics and the economics of this one, Trump is where the broad spectrum of American people are.

Gahrie said...

Most people understand this.

Which is why attendance and viewership of the NFL is cratering...right?

buwaya said...

If the players were to go to see Trump they would be destroying their careers, as their owners and sponsors would force them out, and furthermore ruin any chance of advertising and post-retirement income.

Much like the pressure that was put on performers at Trumps inauguration, the PTB that control entertainment careers have this power.

Your enemies are extremely powerful. Your only recourse is to destroy the industries they control, or harm them significantly so as to change their owners risk analyses.

EDH said...

Okay, we know what standing for the National Anthem means.

What about...?

Disgusting moment Eagles fan eats HORSE EXCREMENT as Super Bowl celebrations descend into chaos in Philadelphia

Mark said...

I noticed that "Several Eagles Players Are Already Refusing to Celebrate Super Bowl Win With Trump"

Has anyone invited them to? If I was Trump, I would not.

Carter Wood said...

Gisele is, indeed, a bella donna.

Jupiter said...

"That means he doesn't eat tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, and peppers (bell and chili). What an awful limitation! But he does have a very beautiful wife...."

You remember Althouse, a few days ago, when you were asking what kind of man has to put up with a bunch of shit to get laid? And Gahrie told you, it's called "Marriage"?

Jupiter said...

Although if I had to choose between tomatoes and Giselle Bundchen, I'd go with the tomatoes. Too many fish in the sea.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
“The players who take a knee in protest, does in no way, shape or form dishonor or disrespect or have anything to do with military members serving their country. Most people understand this.“

Every kneeler knows it is pissing people off. Every kneeler knows why it pisses people off. And that is why they do it.

Everyone knows that when we see a kneeling fuckhead at the anthem that veterans who lost friends are thinking about the friends they lost. Doesn’t matter what they say. That’s what we are thinking about.

If they cared at all they would respect that.

But they don’t care that I don’t enjoy watching games anymore because the first thing I have to do is think about the people that didn’t come back.

The left is happy killing the NFL. They like destroying things that make Americans happy.

Most DECENT people understand this.

Michael said...

Despite his prowess as an athlete, Tom Brady is weird as shit.

And the kneeling is done by dimwits who do not realize that the clock has run out on the game of "protests." The dimwits virtue signaling does no more good than putting a pussy hat on a little girl. Both bits of #resistance are pathetic morphing into hilarious.

Yancey Ward said...

For Meade

Ann Althouse said...

“You remember Althouse, a few days ago, when you were asking what kind of man has to put up with a bunch of shit to get laid?”

Not only don’t I remember, I’m positive I didn’t ask any such thing and wonder what your problem is that you could think I did.

Yancey Ward said...

Exiled,

You and I both know that Inga has no interest whatsoever in polls.

Ficta said...

"The left is happy killing the NFL. They like destroying things that make Americans happy."

Football (and professional sports in general) help hold the American body politic together, it is (or was) something you could share with your neighbors, untainted by partisan rancor. So, of course, it had to be destroyed, or tainted by partisan politics: by protesting "racist" mascots, by maneuvering the NFL into endorsing blatant displays of anti-Americanism, by any means available. The left wants the populace divided.


Gahrie said...

“You remember Althouse, a few days ago, when you were asking what kind of man has to put up with a bunch of shit to get laid?”

Not only don’t I remember, I’m positive I didn’t ask any such thing and wonder what your problem is that you could think I did.


This is the post he was paraphrasing:

Who are these women? And who are the men in relationships where they know they like sex more than she does which gives her currency she can spend on other things?

Don't men want to have sex with women who want sex too?

If not, you're on either the prostitution spectrum or the rape spectrum. Which one?


Jupiter said...

Ann Althouse said...

"Not only don’t I remember, I’m positive I didn’t ask any such thing and wonder what your problem is that you could think I did."

I can't recall where we started, but the conversation turned to the possibility that women would withhold sex in order to punish or control men. You seemed to doubt that this was likely, and your doubt took the form of a question about the notional group of men who might be vulnerable to this tactic. Maybe the Jordan Peterson post?

Gahrie said...

Who are these women? And who are the men in relationships where they know they like sex more than she does which gives her currency she can spend on other things?

Do you deny that men had a stronger sex drive than women? That men usually want more sex than women? That women don't use access to sex to get things they want?

Don't men want to have sex with women who want sex too?

Yes...the problem is...women lie about it, especially before marriage.

If not, you're on either the prostitution spectrum or the rape spectrum. Which one?

History has usually treated marriage as primarily an economic transaction between two families, not an emotional relationship between two individuals. Most modern feminists consider marriage to be legalized rape.

$9,000,000,000 Write Off said...

Trump should commute Meek Mill's sentence and invite him to the White House with the Eagles team.

Gahrie said...

That should say "that women use access to sex to get things they want".

mockturtle said...

There are, alas, wives who use sex as leverage. Maybe it's the only card they hold. I've actually met some women who claim they can take sex or leave it. Maybe men should find out before marriage.

Gahrie said...

There is a reason that the plot of every sitcom over the last fifty years has been about women controlling access to sex.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Everyone knows that when we see a kneeling fuckhead at the anthem that veterans who lost friends are thinking about the friends they lost. Doesn’t matter what they say. That’s what we are thinking about."

Some have no interest in what veterans think or feel, although they do wrap themselves in the flag when convenient. Most people understand this.

bagoh20 said...

"Don't men want to have sex with women who want sex too?

If not, you're on either the prostitution spectrum or the rape spectrum. Which one?"



Don't women want to spend the money of men who prefer buying things they don't have any interest in owning?

If not, you're on either the prostitution spectrum or the theft spectrum. Which one?

Triangle Man said...

"Everyone knows that when we see a kneeling fuckhead at the anthem that veterans who lost friends are thinking about the friends they lost"

The fuckheads are thinking about people they have lost too.

Unknown said...

I'm sure Inga will tell us next that when her people spit all over veterans after Vietnam it was out of nothing but respect and love for them, too.

--Vance

Quaestor said...

"Several Eagles Players Are Already Refusing to Celebrate Super Bowl Win with Trump"

Good. A post-celebration inventory of the pocketable White House furnishings would be charged to the taxpayers.

exiledonmainstreet said...

The fuckheads are thinking about people they have lost too.

2/5/18, 12:10 PM

The fuckheads are much more likely to have lost those people because of gangbangers, not cops, which is not to say that the police are always blameless.

buwaya said...

"The left wants the populace divided."

The populace is divided, by substantially different cultures and by opposing interests.

Much of "shared" culture is ersatz, manufactured.

Much of this was imposed through public education and mass media even in the 19th century. But back then it was in furtherance of nationalism. Its interesting that the whole world went through that phase at around the same time - making a nation out of disparate parts went on through remarkably similar means in France, Germany and Italy in parallel.

There is a great deal of this left over but its looking more and more antique. Longfellow's poetry and the music of Sousa for instance.

The propaganda machine has ceased to push unifying nationalism. This is symptom I think of the increasingly rigid polarization of interests, especially those that control the propaganda machine. They no longer see value in unity, as such. They prefer dominance. Unity on their terms, without so much as a patriotic fig leaf.

exiledonmainstreet said...

BALTIMORE -- Baltimore has set a new per-capita homicide record as gunmen killed for drugs, cash, payback - or no apparent reason at all.

A surge of homicides in the starkly divided city resulted in 343 killings in 2017, bringing the annual homicide rate to its highest ever - roughly 56 killings per 100,000 people. Baltimore, which has shrunk over decades, currently has about 615,000 inhabitants.

Others blame police, accusing them of taking a hands-off approach to fighting crime since six officers were charged in connection with the 2015 death of Freddie Gray, a black man whose fatal spinal cord injury in police custody triggered massive protests that year and the city's worst riots in decades."

Enjoy the world you made, leftists. Of course, it won't be people who comment here who do the suffering.

readering said...

Just read an amazing stat on twitter. Brady first quarterback to lose a game in which threw for over 500 yards with 3 TDs and no interceptions.

Not in the Super Bowl.

In NFL history.

Jupiter said...

mockturtle said...
"I've actually met some women who claim they can take sex or leave it. Maybe men should find out before marriage."

It's usually a safe bet that if you catch your new girlfriend cheating on you within a week after you first get her in bed, she *really* likes sex. So, there you go. Marry her!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

"Everyone knows that when we see a kneeling fuckhead at the anthem that veterans who lost friends are thinking about the friends they lost"

........."The fuckheads are thinking about people they have lost too......"

They are fuckheads precisely for the reason that their so called protests are not really going to accomplish anything other than piss of people who may (or may not) be able to be persuaded to see their point of view.

Posturing and posing with no follow through. Futile and counter productive.

IF...these mutli million dollar athletes are serious, truly believe in their cause, they would find a way to actually try to solve the problem

Until then they are just whining, destructive, petulant children who deserve a big time out. Which is what they are getting with falling revenues, lack of viewership.

Unfortunately, they are hurting some of the very people who they posture to want to help and they are hurting their fellow teammates. The very definition of being a fuckhead.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Jupiter said: It's usually a safe bet that if you catch your new girlfriend cheating on you within a week after you first get her in bed, she *really* likes sex.

Yes. She likes sex. Just not with YOU.

Chuck said...

It's nice that Donald and Melania Trump together wished us all a happy Super Bowl Sunday.

Were they in the same city this weekend?

Chuck said...

Ann Althouse said...
Trump has a beautiful wife too, but she doesn't seem to be enlisting him in whatever her restrictive diet is. Or maybe she likes him eating cheeseburgers and fries. From what I've read in liberal commentary, she maybe likes him eating lots and lots and lots of cheeseburgers.

A triple. With extra hemlock.

Just like at Krazy Jim's! Gotta be careful how you order it.

Jupiter said...

buwaya said...

"The propaganda machine has ceased to push unifying nationalism. This is symptom I think of the increasingly rigid polarization of interests, especially those that control the propaganda machine."

Careful, buwaya. Rightly or wrongly, pointing out that the people who control the propaganda machine in this country seem to have a hearty disdain for the traditional culture of its predominant ethnic group is called "anti-semitism".

Kyzernick said...

Denying that women generally have lower sex drives than men is naive or dishonest.

It's important to find out early how much a girl wants/needs sex. I've purposefully screened every girl I've ever dated. At some point early on in the dating process, hanging out for the night is basically implied sex, regardless of any other activities (dinner, movie, board games with friends, concerts, etc). The expectation is, we go home together (to either her place or mine) afterwards and do it.

So I don't. We go home together, she expects sexy time, and I either make an excuse (feeling nauseous or really sleepy), or just drop her off and tell her I need to get up early the next morning for something. I do this 2 or 3 times, usually in a row. At some point, either she'll ask me what's wrong, actively complain about lack of sex, or try to plan a surprise visit, usually wearing something very sexy under her clothes. If she does any of those (but especially the last option), signs point to her being at least close to my level of sex drive. If she pretends not to notice, either she's not at my level or she's getting it somewhere else.

The girl who ended up as my wife did the last thing, except she did it over Spring Break (just good timing by accident) and stayed at my place for three days. She brought several sexy outfits (I never saw the same one twice), and greeted me each day when I got home wearing one of them with the sex in her eyes. I almost got kicked out of my rented townhouse from the noise complaints we generated.

Normally it's not a great idea for a "girlfriend" to stay over for so long, but I trusted her and already had more access to her life than she did to mine (knew her passwords and such, whereas she did not know mine), so I felt secure that my private things would remain private. And aside from a brief period at the beginning of our relationship, she was the only girl I was dating so I had nothing to hide in that regard.

Screening a woman for sexual interest is almost as important as screening them for "crazy".

PJ said...

I believe Lemire has misquoted the text, specifically by changing a “we” to a “to.” Can’t anybody here play this game?

mockturtle said...

Sure, Kyzernick. We all believe the many exploits you post.

Achilles said...

Triangle Man said...
"Everyone knows that when we see a kneeling fuckhead at the anthem that veterans who lost friends are thinking about the friends they lost"

The fuckheads are thinking about people they have lost too.

Am I pissing on their people’s graves to make a point?

No.

Fuck off.

Jupiter said...

Dust Bunny Queen said...
"IF...these multi million dollar athletes are serious, truly believe in their cause, they would find a way to actually try to solve the problem."

They have all been to college, where they were told that almost all of their problems are the result of white racism. The people who told them this were mostly white themselves, and a good deal smarter than these athletes, so you really can't blame them for believing what they've been told.

Perhaps if we are serious, and really believe in our cause, we need to find some way to regain control of the universities. Or failing that, to destroy them.

Hagar said...

Maybe Trump does not like people telling him what to eat. Even his wife. I know I didn't.

Jim at said...

The players who take a knee in protest, does in no way, shape or form dishonor or disrespect or have anything to do with military members serving their country.

Bullshit.

You don't get to decide whether or not military members and/or veterans take offense at a bunch of thugs pissing all over our Anthem, bitch.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Sure, Kyzernick. We all believe the many exploits you post

Now, now, Mockturtle....let us not be mean. Kyzernick is very young....I'm guessing 14 based on content and writing styles. He deserves to have his fantasies.

;-)

Howard said...

Achilles: Why do you hate the USA and at the same time seek to trash your oath to uphold and defend the constitution, including the first amendment. In a free country, protest is the primary right in which veterans are tasked to fight for.

I think you are pissed because you and your fellow veterans volunteered for a war without any goal, meaning or usefulness based on lies and implemented with total incompetence. All the lives on both sides were wasted for nothing and instead of being pissed at yourself for being duped by the GW Bush administration, you put all of your frustration and hate on people who had nothing to do with sending you to war. Instead, the focus of your anger is directed at those who are exercising their rights you swore a sacred oath to defend.

You got fucked coming and going. That's what's got you lashing out at shadows while the true ghouls who profited from your sacrifice laugh all the way to the hedge fund

Kyzernick said...

As an addendum, it really helps if you're good in bed. Women get a lot of bad sex. Some put up with it because their man is either super-Alpha in other ways, and some put up with it because they don't really know any better or don't have any other options. But a hot chick dating a regular guy will get good sex one way or another; if she's patient and really digs you, she'll suggest ways to improve, otherwise she'll find someone who already knows.

Worst thing a man can do is disregard these kinds of suggestions (unless they're super freaky or objectionable, like "call me Mommy" or "put this collar on me and attach the leash"). Quite frankly, I took every reasonable suggestion my first few girlfriends ever gave me, and still incorporate some of them to this day. If a man is truly good in bed, almost any girl's sex drive will tick up a few notches because she knows it's going to be a very enjoyable experience. For guys who have trouble telling, you'll know things in bed are going great if your girl orders a mattress protector for use under the fitted sheet.

Laslo probably covered that at some point, I can't recall.

Kyzernick said...

LOL, I could care less what you believe, or how old anyone thinks I am. I post about things that I have experience with, and if someone lacking such experience chooses to believe that I'm lying or exaggerating, that just tells me that they haven't had those same experiences. Unlike others, I'm not degrading anyone here - just offering sincere advice based on what's worked for me.

Take from that whatever you will.

Jupiter said...

Dust Bunny Queen said...

"Yes. She likes sex. Just not with YOU."

Well, at least not just with you. Which is the point. Every child knows his mother, and every mother knows who her children are. But it's a wise child who knows his father. Marrying a woman because of her proven strong interest in sex may not be a good reproductive strategy.

buwaya said...

"the true ghouls who profited from your sacrifice laugh all the way to the hedge fund"

The hedge funds are a Democrat bailiwick these days.
And they hate Trump with a passion.

traditionalguy said...

The NFL owners are the problem. They are the ones committed to global cash flows and see no reason at all for pursuing National Patriotism, and in fact American Patriotism embarrass them among their friends.

A switch over to FIFA Football is coming soon to fill the stadiums.

readering said...

Kyzernick, who do you think reads the comments to this blog? (Hint, think Fox News audience.)

Kyzernick said...

Yes. She likes sex. Just not with YOU.

And THIS is why men need to screen. As mentioned above, if you can strategically withhold sex for a few dates (after sexy times have already been underway for awhile) and she doesn't complain or pretends not to notice, either she really doesn't care or she's getting somewhere else.

If a man withholds, and she's ready to jump his bones, then she's (more likely than not) both faithful and horny.

But when I type it and include a personal anecdote, I guess that's different?

Oh well. FYI, feel free to share that male strategy with your daughters of dating age. It might give them a leg up, so to speak, if their prospective suitor ever uses it on them.

Equal opportunity advice, you see.

Quaestor said...

Howard wrote: Achilles: Why do you hate the USA and at the same time seek to trash your oath to uphold and defend the constitution, including the first amendment. In a free country, protest is the primary right in which veterans are tasked to fight for.

For shame! Such transparent rhetorical manoeuvres are beneath you, Howard, as is your patently false premise. No one has the right to protest and get paid. Football players are paid obscene sums to entertain football fans. The fans are well within their rights as purchasers of the players' time to demand they observe proper decorum regarding the Pledge of Allegiance.

buwaya said...

And the problem here is not the players -
They are reacting to a mix of incentives and group dynamics.
They have a problem in NOT demonstrating.
This stuff is usually the result of a fear of informal social and career sanctions.

The real players are the real players - those that can lean on someone to tell someone else to keep x off the Wheaties box, or who can nix Andrea Bocelli's gigs.

Quaestor said...

readering wrote: Kyzernick, who do you think reads the comments to this blog?

So how many hours do you devote to watching Fox News, readering?

Kyzernick said...

Readering, I think there's a decent mix of (mostly older than me) folks, with all sorts of sexual proclivities and mores, who read this blog. Some of the folks who comment here are quite "with it" in terms of being comfortable with talking about sex and dating. Others are prudes. Still others just don't like hearing a male perspective on sex, especially a tail-end Gen Xer like myself (is '85 still Gen-X? I hope it is.)

Hannity & Colmes is the first news program I ever watched on a regular basis, BTW. I was 15 at the time, and 9/11 had yet to happen (though it was coming soon).

So don't assume ALL Fox News viewers are old. I know quite a few folks my age who still watch it (I do not, gave up cable awhile back), and you'd be surprised at the number of younger folks that channel has been attracting recently.

buwaya said...

One of these characters who was a real player, in that entertainment world, was Harvey Weinstein. A relative small timer even in that world, but the way he kept all those not-poor people on a leash, who got them to go along for so many years, should be instructive.

They were deathly afraid of Weinstein and his minions and his extensive contacts, with which he could maintain discipline among his victims. He credibly threatened their careers and future income. It remains to be seen if the pressure he exerted was only for the purpose of enabling or covering up his personal misbehavior. Did he use this for other purposes, like politics?

What other Weinsteins are there? What sort of Weinstein-like pressure was exerted on Bocelli? What sort of similar pressure is there on athletes?

readering said...

Quaestor, I don't watch cable news but I enjoy reading the comments here to get a sense both of what's on and who's making them. Hence my comment to Kyzernick. To him, I point out they publish cable news demographics. Not many still in the market for advice on picking future life partners (although maybe some read his comments ruefully).

Achilles said...

Howard said...
Achilles: Why do you hate the USA and at the same time seek to trash your oath to uphold and defend the constitution, including the first amendment. In a free country, protest is the primary right in which veterans are tasked to fight for.

I fully believe in their right to be douchebags. Everyone has that right because of the people in graves the douchebags are pissing on to make their point.

Your argument is a straw man.

They can totally protest. I can totally not like watching football anymore and I can totally call them douchebags.

Douchebag.

Darrell said...

I see nobody said "Fuck you, Chuck!" after he commented.
Let me correct that. Fuck you, Chuck!

James Smith said...

So. if I go to a funeral and during the memorial service I am on my cell phone and talking and texting - no one should be offended because I am not intending to offend anyone? No matter what their intentions - with various players claiming different intentions - to kneel during the Anthem is disrespectful.

Kyzernick said...

Readering, you're probably right in that "life partner choosing" advice isn't going to be the most helpful thing for some of the folks here. But broadly speaking, I think some of what I mentioned above about screening potential LTR material is helpful to a single man of almost any age below AARP level who is actively dating or trying to actively date.

Anyone reading my comments ruefully has only themselves to blame. A man knows by age 16-17 whether he will be a "natural" with women or not. For those who are not, the best thing to do is learn from the "naturals" - at least if ending up with a desirable woman is part of one's life goals. It was part of mine, and so I learned from my friends who were amazing with women how to do the same.

Amazingly, most of it came down to "forget everything your mother told you about what girls want".

Imagine that.

AReasonableMan said...

buwaya said...
Much of "shared" culture is ersatz, manufactured.


This is true, unfortunately.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

if you can strategically withhold sex for a few dates (after sexy times have already been underway for awhile) and she doesn't complain or pretends not to notice, either she really doesn't care or she's getting somewhere else.

Or maybe you just weren't that great and she decided instead of playing mental games she would find someone who just wants to have some good sex without the game playing.

. A man knows by age 16-17 whether he will be a "natural" with women or not.

LOL.

All I can say is bless your little heart.

Fabi said...

"It's usually a safe bet that if you catch your new girlfriend cheating on you within a week after you first get her in bed, she *really* likes sex. So, there you go. Marry her!"

Thread winner!

exiledonmainstreet said...

Howard said...
Achilles: Why do you hate the USA and at the same time seek to trash your oath to uphold and defend the constitution, including the first amendment. In a free country, protest is the primary right in which veterans are tasked to fight for."

Ah, yes, the usual template:

The Left stages an offensively stupid protest. (Kneeling for the anthem, marching around dressed as gigantic vags, carrying signs portraying Trump or Walker or Dubya as Hitler, chanting or pulling fire alarms in order to drown out a conservative speaker.)

Conservatives criticize the protest for being offensive.

The Leftist retort: "You're against freedom of speech! You're against the Constitution!" There's a deliberate conflation of criticism or boycotting with actively trying to shut someone up, which is as dishonest as their habit of lumping illegal immigration together with legal immigration so they can quote the Emma Lazarus poem and feel noble.


Their other transparent ploy is to try to use the Right's terminology against them: thus we get called "snowflakes" despite the fact that we're not the ones weeping about faked hate crimes or throwing public screaming fits because of an election or because Ben Shapiro is within 3 blocks of us.

In short, leftists believe they should never ever be criticized or held to account for anything.

Kyzernick said...

"Or maybe you just weren't that great and she decided instead of playing mental games she would find someone who just wants to have some good sex without the game playing. "

You're basically just restating what I typed. Either she doesn't care or (as you say), she's getting it somewhere else.

Women play mental games in relationships all the time. Every man has experienced at least some form of mental game with a woman at some point, unless they're a monk. I think you just don't like the idea that men can, on occasion, turn the tables.

As for my comment about knowing when you're a "natural" or not, the only cases where a guy can be almost done with puberty and NOT know one way or the other are A) if he's gay, or B) if he has been so insulated from social interaction that he doesn't know what he doesn't know.

My heart is certainly blessed. Being able to attract and marry a wonderful woman is probably one of my biggest blessings of all.

Nonapod said...

@exiledonmainstreet as I'm sure you're aware, technically all that nonsense (being deliberately offensive, feigning ignorance, co-opting your opponent's own arguments and idioms) are strategies that were outlined by Alinsky years ago. But of course knowing all that doesn't make it any less annoying and tedious. It's a constant trial to beat back the endless tide of bullshit produced by the Left. They know this too.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

You're basically just restating what I typed. Either she doesn't care or (as you say), she's getting it somewhere else.

True, except you left out the part where, maybe you just suck at sex despite thinking you are a natural....hypothetically, of course ;-D

Then there is the possibility that a self absorbed personality (man or woman) can counterbalance even the best sex and turn a relationship from fun to tedious. After all, you can only spend so many hours having sex before you get blisters and worn out...and do need to have an actual honest two way conversation once in a while.

Female clue is that if the guy is spending most of his time bragging about himself and has more personal care products on the sink that you do....dump him. Too much work.

FullMoon said...

Most women are interested in and enjoy sex.
Admittedly anecdotal.

As for kneeling. does not seem to be a particular reason for it. Kind of a generic catch all, now. Started out protesting police brutality, I think. Trump brought up disparaging military. Players kneel to protest Trump. Others say stop watching football to protest protesters. NFL sides with kneelers. Watching commercials on Superbowl, NFL targeting younger demo.

Anonymous said...

To all you Pats fans who responded to my comments about Tommy: Defense wins titles; the Pats defense was not championship worthy this season; I agree that Belichick was out-coached in the execution department; I have no idea what the Butler situation was about but suspect it reflects some coaching/personal issues and his spotty season (the kids a scrapper, I like him); I think Brady is the GOAT no question and he was what made the game even close. My comments were more from the team building angle for long run success(neither Favre nor Montana were at the end of their careers when they were let go either); I agree that it is likely that Kraft overruled Bill on what was going to happen with Brady for the 2018-19 season - I think he will may that from a football, but not a personal, perspective..

I have been a sturdy Pats fan since they played at BU, Braves field (there's an antique memory ) and Harvard Stadium. I am fascinated by how Belichick builds a team and am convinced that Garoppolo was scheduled in for 2018.

Achilles said...

AReasonableMan said...
buwaya said...
Much of "shared" culture is ersatz, manufactured.

This is true, unfortunately.

Hard to have any sort of shared culture with people who want the government to spy on you and persecute you.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Female clue is that if the guy is spending most of his time bragging about himself and has more personal care products on the sink that you do....dump him. Too much work."

Or as a friend of mine put it, explaining why she broke up with a very handsome boyfriend, "You don't want a guy who is going to be in deadly competition with you for use of the bathroom mirror every morning."

Kyzernick said...

I actually addressed that in my next comment.

And as for the self-absorbed stuff, that is true to a point. Most women want a man who has goals and passions that he devotes time to, rather than a workaday schlub who lives merely for her pleasure and excitement. Women don't want a tabula rasa - they want a man with personality who has his own desires and needs. It can be taken too far of course, which is why women have their own ways of screening men.

The only personal care products a man should really need on his sink are a toothbrush/toothpaste, floss, razor or trimmer, nail clippers, hand soap, and maybe a tube of hair gel and/or a container of beard balm. MAYBE tweezers, although I always kept mine in the medicine cabinet because they're pretty much just for annoying nose hairs and splinters.

I also have a tube of Icy Hot, but that's only since I turned 30 a few years back. Younger Kyzernick could work out 5 days a week and not need Icy Hot - today's version finds it indispensable.

Jupiter said...

Darrell said...
"I see nobody said "Fuck you, Chuck!" after he commented."

I think we're trying an experiment with Chuck. Kind of an intervention. As the animal trainers say, "Ignore unwanted behavior".

Fabi said...

"A triple. With extra hemlock."

That's a peach, hun!

Howard said...

Achilles: True story. Us boomer kids grew up in an era where our Mom's regularly douched and kept the douche bags hung up in the shower. You got use to it after a while. So, when you call me a douche bag, it reminds me of my late peacenick protesting mother, thanks.

In any event, if the kneelers are pissing on anyone, it's the police, specifically the trigger-happy racist cops who gun down or choke-out unarmed blacks.

Therefore, you are the onemaking veterans straw men imagined to be pissed on by freemen exercising their god-given rights. No wonder you admire and support a Putin Fellatrix.

Big Mike said...

@Jupiter, sssshhhhhhhh.

Jupiter said...

Howard said...

"In any event, if the kneelers are pissing on anyone, it's the police, specifically the trigger-happy racist cops who gun down or choke-out unarmed blacks."

Well, that is what that little sack of shit Colin Kaepernick seemed to think he was doing. But then you have to wonder, if that's what they are protesting, why are they doing it in NFL stadiums during the National Anthem? It seems fairly clear that their intention is to display their contempt for the flag and the nation it stands for. Which is their right, if their owners will tolerate it, and fuck them very much.

Jim at said...

NFL players protesting the National Anthem has nothing - absolutely nothing - to do with the First Amendment or freedom of speech. And anybody who trots out that crap knows nothing about either.

They are paid employees making asses of themselves at their workplace.
Period.

Karen of Texas said...

Just going to address the restrictive diet topic... Science! once upon a yesteryear tied the alkaloid substance solanine in nightshade plants to inflammation. Staying away from them was supposed to help those with pain and inflammation associated with such issues as arthritis. Perhaps Mrs. Brady hasn't gotten the memo that science! now debunks that "factoid". Damn science. Always changing crap up on us.

dhagood said...

@inga: The players who take a knee in protest, does in no way, shape or form dishonor or disrespect or have anything to do with military members serving their country. Most people understand this.

my father, a combat veteran of ww2 and korea how had a 30 year career in the air force doesn't understand. my brother in law, who also had a 30 year career in the air force, doesn't understand. my cousin, a combat veteran of iraq and afghanistan who had a 32 year career in the air force reserve, doesn't understand. i've never served in any branch of service, but i don't understand. my wife, whose father is also a combat veteran of ww2 and korea, doesn't understand.

i think if you talk to families with a propensity towards military service, like my family, you'll find they don't understand either.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Sorry, dhagood, we learned the other night that Inga's Trump-hating liberal Navy daughter is more important than any other service member or veteran. Only her opinion counts. Only she is worthy of respect. And Inga somehow has complete moral authority because of her daughter. But don't think you do.

Anonymous said...

RE Robert Kraft comment above: I think he may regret that from a football, but not a personal, perspective.

wwww said...

is '85 still Gen-X?


nope. Millennial Gen.


mockturtle said...

Kyzernick lists: The only personal care products a man should really need on his sink are a toothbrush/toothpaste, floss, razor or trimmer, nail clippers, hand soap, and maybe a tube of hair gel and/or a container of beard balm. MAYBE tweezers, although I always kept mine in the medicine cabinet because they're pretty much just for annoying nose hairs and splinters.

Great! Hair gel and beard balm but no deodorant!

wwww said...



Nick Foles seems to have a great attitude towards marriage, his baby girl, his wife, and what's important about life in general.

Was happy to see the Eagles win.

mockturtle said...

Old Spice has always been a turn-on for me, maybe because my first BF wore it. Other than that, I don't like scents on men.

mockturtle said...

From wwww: Nick Foles seems to have a great attitude towards marriage, his baby girl, his wife, and what's important about life in general.

Yes! He and the Eagles' coach seem like outstanding men and I'm very happy for their win.

Meade said...

PJ said...
I believe Lemire has misquoted the text, specifically by changing a “we” to a “to.” Can’t anybody here play this game?

2/5/18, 12:37 PM

Ha ha. Good catch. Makes Trump sound imperious, authoritative, dictatorial.

False News guy tweets false tweet.

"Jonathan LemireVerified account
@JonLemire
White House reporter @AP. Political contributor @MSNBC and @NBCNews. Ex-@NYDailyNews."

Robert Cook said...

"MAYBE tweezers, although I always kept mine in the medicine cabinet because they're pretty much just for annoying nose hairs and splinters."

Plucking nose hairs with tweezers?! Sheeit...that's dangerous. If you got an infection it could travel up to your brain and kill you!

Tim in Vermont said...

PA went for Trump. Lots and lots of Eagles fans are Trump supporters. The NFL wishes it had different fans, kind of like the National Review wishes that the Republicans had a different base.

Tim in Vermont said...

A lot of people who are happy the Patriots lost now know how I feel every day knowing that Hillary lost.

Robert Cook said...

"'@inga: The players who take a knee in protest, does in no way, shape or form dishonor or disrespect or have anything to do with military members serving their country. Most people understand this.'

"my father, a combat veteran of ww2 and korea how had a 30 year career in the air force doesn't understand. my brother in law, who also had a 30 year career in the air force, doesn't understand. my cousin, a combat veteran of iraq and afghanistan who had a 32 year career in the air force reserve, doesn't understand. i've never served in any branch of service, but i don't understand. my wife, whose father is also a combat veteran of ww2 and korea, doesn't understand.

"i think if you talk to families with a propensity towards military service, like my family, you'll find they don't understand either."


Why should your family members or any people who have served in the military take personally the protests of others who protest the flag because they feel their community has been brutalized by law enforcement? Why should they feel compelled to salute a system they feel has not served them equally, and why should military members care in the least?

Robert Cook said...

After all, if the freedom we brag about having is meaningful and valuable at all, it is because we have the freedom to criticize, complain, and protest social or political conditions we disagree with, to believe and say things that others disagree with and may even detest. A guarantee of protected free speech is only needed in a nation where people have different ideas and want to be able to express them openly. If all anyone said was how great we are, free speech protections wouldn't be needed.

Most of our wars, and none of our recent ones, have had anything to do with protecting our freedoms, but to the extent any of our wars have, they are protecting our right to refuse to salute the flag. That is what we should be proudest of.

langford peel said...

The NFL is on the verge of a free fall.

I read where this is the worst ratings for a Super Bowl in eight years after have two major markets and a very close game.

They will continue to enable their players who despise their fans. The NFL is more afraid of their players than their base in the working class white people who were also abandoned by the Democratic Party.

If you want to learn about the natives who were so restless this season read this article which details how the leader of these monkeys is raising funds for a cop killer.

The players who protest support cop killers. They league supports and kowtows to them. You should not.

langford peel said...

Football has become a black sport with a white fan base.

Not a tenable business model.

The NBA has the same problem but is run by some very smart Jews. They don't mess with the money.

They have their cattle standing at attention. They don't disrespect the flag. They don't rile up the fans.

Steve Kerr and Stefan Curry and Lebron can say whatever they want off the court. They can refuse to go to the White House and curse Trump all day every day.

They just can't mess with the money.

langford peel said...

The NFL used to be run by smart Jews like Pete Rozzelle and street smart Irishman like the Maras and the Rooneys and George Halas. But now we are into the third generation and their leader is a Republican cuck WASP who would never put the interest of the fans in front of approval from the elite.

Social Justice is more important than the flag and fans who revere it.

They have made their choice and now they have to live with it.

langford peel said...

One of their star players was just killed by an illegal immigrant and the NFL is not going to say boo.

They will probably donate millions to some illegal immigrant supporting organization like La Raza.

PJ said...

Mr. Cook — You raise the interesting question of who gets to decide what is offensive. For most of my life, I have believed that the mental state and motives of the putative offender were the most important relevant considerations, but recently I have been instructed by my betters that it is only the reactions of the putative offendees that matter, and putative offenders are responsible for “owning” the foreseen and unforeseen reactions others may have to their potentially offense-inducing conduct. It seems to me that you have conducted what I now believe to be an outmodeed analysis, under which a third-party observer may take a sympathetic attitude toward the perceived motives and mental state of a putative offender while evaluating the reasonableness of a putative offendee in taking offense. However, I think you are generally more modern in these matters than I am, so I fear I may have misunderstood my lesson.

dhagood said...

@robert cook:

standing while the national anthem is played while the nation's flag is displayed is showing respect to those who sacrificed everything defending the country. standing for the national anthem has nothing to do with law enforcement, federal, state, or local police, or with the criminal justice system. it's about those who suffered or died defending us all.

have some communities been "brutalized" by law enforcement? i guess that depends on your definition of community, but i will say that there have been many high-handed actions by law enforcement and all too many police shootings that i can find little or no justification. do athletes or anybody else have the right to protest such things? absolutely, but why do they choose to protest by not standing for the national flag?

this country doesn't have a national police force. if nfl athletes are protesting police malfeasance why aren't the protesters using state or local flags? if a local cop shoots somebody unlawfully why disrespect american veterans who fought and died? what does one have to do with the other?

my father has told me that he regards nfl players not standing for the anthem as a personal slap in the face to him and those he served with.

mockturtle said...

Plucking nose hairs with tweezers?! Sheeit...that's dangerous. If you got an infection it could travel up to your brain and kill you!

My husband used one of those little rotary clipper thingies designed just for nose hair.

readering said...

Finally, useful information.

Earnest Prole said...

Anthropology question: What is it about well-off white women that makes them want to hire a stylist and a photographer to photograph not themselves but their fruits and vegetables, and then make those photographs public?

buwaya said...

"Anthropology question: What is it about well-off white women that makes them want to hire a stylist and a photographer to photograph not themselves but their fruits and vegetables, and then make those photographs public?"

They are just the grown up and richer versions of their teenage daughters that use their cell phone cameras to take pictures of their apparently fascinating food and put them on instagram. Don't ask me how I know.

Ann Althouse said...

@Gahrie

I figured that’s what you were trying to paraphrase. Don’t you see how ass backwards you got it? Maybe begin with an apology.

Bob said...

Karen of Texas said, "Just going to address the restrictive diet topic..."

Thanks for this comment. My then-33-year-old daughter adopted this diet almost a year ago (and added wheat and dairy to the restricted list). I couldn't find much scientific support for it, but there are certainly a number of websites which seem to use each other as references.

Seemed a bit like an affectation to me. But, I can't tell my daughter anything, so I don't try.

Bob said...

Earnest Prole:

What I don't get is middle-aged women who take cellphone photos of not-especially-exotic-dishes at restaurants.

Robert Cook said...

"standing while the national anthem is played while the nation's flag is displayed is showing respect to those who sacrificed everything defending the country. standing for the national anthem has nothing to do with law enforcement, federal, state, or local police, or with the criminal justice system. it's about those who suffered or died defending us all."

The black football players kneeling during the national anthem are protesting police brutality and murder of black youths.

Precious few Americans who have died in our wars over the centuries have actually fought or died defending the country. Most of our wars are not and have not been in "defense" of our country but in expansion of our power and acquisition of resources. Most who have died fighting in our military have died to help corporate entities plunder the world.

For those who fought in battles that did defend our country, they fought for the right for all of us to have our own views, our own ideas, no matter how objectionable to anyone else. They fought, as I said, for our right NOT to salute or stand for the flag.

Contra PJ above, who states I raise the question of "who gets to decide what's offensive," I do not raise this question. We are all free to take offense at any ideas or behavior that offends us. However, we should also recognize and wish to protect the right and freedom of others to say or do things that we find offensive, for in so doing we protect our own freedom to do or say that which will offend others.

dhagood said...

The black football players kneeling during the national anthem are protesting police brutality and murder of black youths.

no kidding? what does protesting local police actions have to do with the national anthem and flag?

recious few Americans who have died in our wars over the centuries have actually fought or died defending the country. Most of our wars are not and have not been in "defense" of our country but in expansion of our power and acquisition of resources. Most who have died fighting in our military have died to help corporate entities plunder the world.

in your worldview, perhaps. i won't debate this with you as we will not find common ground. i will say that the actions or motives of the government which commanded these service men and women did not lessen the totality of their sacrifice. they died fighting under the flag of a freely elected democratic form of government, and the fact that you don't agree with actions of that government doesn't matter.

i'm not trying to get personal here cookie but your word salad justifying not respecting the nation's war dead finds me unpersuaded. i find the spectacle of rich entertainers not respecting the national anthem and flag to protest local issues contemptible.

Gahrie said...

However, we should also recognize and wish to protect the right and freedom of others to say or do things that we find offensive, for in so doing we protect our own freedom to do or say that which will offend others.

I don't have the right to act on my political beliefs at work.

William said...

Scott Adams had a good take. He said that playing football at the professional level takes monomanic concentration and commitment. So does reforming a society so that it demonstrates social justice in all its dealings and transactions. You can have one or another but not both. I think it's significant that none of the teams in the playoffs had any kneelers on them.......I note that there are other countries besides America that have aggrieved minorities in their midst. . Why has this form of protest not spread to those countries? The answer is obvious. Catch 22. If you can make this kind of protest, your grievances are no so grievous.

William said...

Neatly trimmed nasal hair is the sine qua non of a successful seduction......Random observation: .I'm watching Berlin Babylon. Some of the girls have hairy legs. Is that a sign of decadence or fascism?

Robert Cook said...

"I don't have the right to act on my political beliefs at work."

Well, the football players are doing so and are being criticized for it. If they're not valuable to the team and to the team owners, they'll face consequences. If they're valuable to the team and to the team owners...probably not so much. The point is, they're taking a risk of being sanctioned by their employers and they feel they compelled to do it anyway. Making a public stand or protest is always risky if one is doing it in a way that will draw attention and arouse a response. Polite, by-the-rules protest is a contradiction in terms and is inconsequential.

My question is: Why, at a fucking sporting event, is the National Anthem played and the audience and all participants have to get up and show deference to the United States?

Robert Cook said...

"no kidding? what does protesting local police actions have to do with the national anthem and flag?"

Really?

These local police actions have occurred all over the nation. This can't help but be ominous and significant to those most affected by it, to those whose history here in America is fraught with violent oppression.

mockturtle said...

My question is: Why, at a fucking sporting event, is the National Anthem played and the audience and all participants have to get up and show deference to the United States?

Oh, Cookie! 'Deference'? How about respect? Love? Like Obama, you seem to hate our country.

No one in the stands is forced to stand for the anthems but not doing so may incur the wrath of one's fellow fans.

Robert Cook said...

mockturtle,

Obama didn't hate our country, and neither do I. Obama merely continued the work of his predecessors in fulfilling the agenda of the ruling elites. I hate the bad our country does, (while continually bragging about our unparalleled wonderfulness and unmatched virtue).

"No one in the stands is forced to stand for the anthems but not doing so may incur the wrath of one's fellow fans."

Yes, and why should others be angry at those who don't stand, or why should they feel others should be compelled to stand?

More to the point of my question: why does this even go on at sporting events? Why is the National Anthem sung or performed at a sporting event?

mockturtle said...

More to the point of my question: why does this even go on at sporting events? Why is the National Anthem sung or performed at a sporting event?

Tradition.

Robert Cook said...

"Tradition."

That's not a good enough reason to continue a practice that makes no sense.

mockturtle said...

That's not a good enough reason to continue a practice that makes no sense.

I'm not so sure. It used to be a unifying practice and still is to most of us.

Robert Cook said...

Isn't rooting for one's own team in a room or stadium full of fellow team supporters a unifying enough practice?

mockturtle said...

You may be right, Cookie.

James Smith said...

As far as I know intention behind President Trump was to give some respect to the national anthem. If anyone takes it's other side, it's up to us to take the positive aspects of anything.






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