STEPHANOPOULOS: It's pretty clear [President Trump] said what's been reported. By denying it, he puts his supporters in the most difficult position.Not going to make a difference to anyone?! Now I'm determined to find a shithouse/shithole distinction.
LOWRY: He used a different -- my understanding from the meeting, he used a different, but very closely related vulgarity. He said s-house, and not s-hole. That's not going to make a difference to anyone. But the general remarks -- yes -- I'd like to have a transcript, because everyone is putting so much weight on this to see exactly what was said in what ways, but the general tenor of the discussion has been reported accurately.
Historically, going back to the 1600s, "shithole" first meant "The rectum or anus." (I'm using the OED.) "Shithole" took on other meanings in the early 20th century: "a wretched place," "a toilet." And in the late 20th century, it also became an alternative to "asshole" to mean "a despicable person."
"Shithouse," going back to the 1600s, meant "toilet," usually an outdoor toilet — a "privy" or "outhouse." The oldest published usage is (like Trump's purported use) metaphorical:
1659 J. Howell Ital. Prov. Let. Ital. Prov. sig. A4v, in Παροιμιογραϕια If Florence had a Sea Port, she would make a Hortyard of Pisa, a Counting-house of Ligorn, and a shitt-house of Luca.Like "shithole," "shithouse" came to mean "a wretched place" in the 20th century. The first published use was in 1949, in Henry Miller's "Sexus": "You leave the toilet and you step into the big shithouse. Whatever you touch is shitty."
And here's Martin Amis in "London Fields" in 1989:
The class system just doesn't know when to call it a day. Even a nuclear holocaust, I think, would fail to make that much of a dent in it. Crawling through the iodized shithouse that used to be England, people would still be brooding about accents and cocked pinkies, about maiden names and settee or sofa, about the proper way to eat a roach in society. Do you take the head off first or start with the legs?Ha ha. Settee or sofa. It's so like shithouse or shithole. And yet so different.
Anyway, "shithouse" also came to mean "despicable person" in the 20th century (at least in Britain). And it's been an adjective meaning "contemptible, bad, disgusting" at least since 1966, when Charles Bukowski wrote in a letter, "The flunky fired from his shithouse job, the guys like me."
There are also the phrases: "To be in the shithouse" (as in "Fleetwood Mac's career was definitely not in the shithouse") and "shithouse rumor" ("All you had was a shithouse rumor" (heh, that's all we have about Trump and "shithouse")) and the well-known "shithouse rat" ("Cute as a shithouse rat," wrote the lowly, lowry cur James Joyce in that shithouse book "Ulysses").
I've got to say, if Trump said it, I hope he said "shithouse." First, I like the resonance with his real estate career. It's the humblest real estate, a shithouse. "Shithole" has more of an anatomical whiff to it — not that Trump doesn't also have his connection to body parts (tiny hands, grabbed pussies, differently sized penises).
ADDED: There's also the subtle topic of what goes on in the mind of a person who hears "shithouse" and later drags "shithole" up out of his memory. If the wrong word was reported, what caused the house-to-hole substitution? Phobia about human anatomy?
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 349 of 349Steve Uhr said...
Mr. Majestyk -- So nobody from those countries could make our country a better place? If we had a merit system, it would exclude everyone from those countries? Is that what you believe?
So you want to take the smartest and hardest working people from poor countries?
Why are you leftists so interested in bringing in as many people as you can? What is your goal? What ever happened to education and job training for Americans? Shouldn't we take care of our own first?
There are many homeless people. There are millions of kids stuck in shitty public schools. The left is driven to import as many poor people as they can. We know why the plutocrats running the show want to do so. What I can't figure out is why the rank and file democrat is so interested in importing people that will lower their wages and suck up inordinate resources.
Anyways, I thought America First means we shouldn't care whether they may be worse off as a result of some action that makes us better off.
It's your side that usually pretends to give a shit about those shitholes, but it's my side who actually gives money to them, and goes there to try and fix things.
Personally, I think the best thing for the United States right now would be to put a total moratorium on immigration, get rid of all the illegals and "temporary refugees", and assimilate the legal immigrants. Historically that is what we have done. Then we can put in place a sane immigration policy that doesn't include nonsense like chain migration.
You don't think the cream of the crop wants to help their country?
One of the problems are immigrants who don't see the United States as their country now.
I'm sure many of them want to come here and get an education and see our our system of government and free enterprise works
I agree, and frankly don't blame them. But I don't think that gives them any "right" to come here.
precisely so they can help their country.
Then why don't they go home? The only way most of them help the countries they came from is by importing poor family members to the U.S. and sending money siphoned from the U.S. economy back home. They in fact become parasites on our country. How many jobs could the tens of billions of dollars taken from the U.S. economy have produced here? What role does these remittances play in allowing the governments of these shitholes to remain incompetent and corrupt?
Francisco D said...
The hospital system I work for spends a lot of money recruiting MDs and RNs from India, Africa and the Middle East. They are pretty successful at it. A very significant percentage of MDs here have English as their second language.
... a failure because it has not fully enacted socialism.
Hmmm, countries that have fully enacted socialism, such as Germany and the Scandinavian countries, are not on your list of places people will leave in order to live in the US. Again, it seems like only people from the shithole countries are actually interested in coming here.
Gahrie said:
"No what it would do, and our current system also does, is skim the cream of the crop off the top of those shitholes, and make them even worse places to live for the people left behind."
This is an important point and one that lefties never seem to consider. How will those countries ever raise themselves up from "shithole" status if all their doctors, engineers, scientists and other educated professionals emigrate and leave the poor, desperate people behind? Isn't that in and of itself a form of colonialism? Instead of plundering the resources of a Third World country the West is plundering their brainpower.
Chuck said...
Has Trump directly answered the question, "Did you use the phrase, "shithole countries"? I don't think he has. There have been a couple of chances for Trump to personally answer it directly, and he hasn't. He's put out a couple of statements that said he has been mischaracterized by the press, and that he admits to having used tough language. But no direct answers to direct questions.
Others at the meeting have not claimed that Trump didn't say "shithole countries."
Durbin said on the record, that those were Trump's exact words.
Graham told Tim Scott that the press reports were basically accurate.
Cotton and Perdue said that they couldn't recall those words being used. Similarly, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen did not deny it; she said that she couldn't recall it. Which, according to Chris Wallace (and, uh, me) "seems implausible."
Who else might have given an clear and unequivocal statement that Trump DID NOT SAY "SHITHOLE COUNTRIES"?
Chuck is a globalist. Period. He is always in line with democrat/uniparty talking points. His condemnations of democrats are forced, brief, and perfunctory.
I don't mind Chuck on the board. I appreciate opposing points of view. But bad faith is bad faith. He says he is a LLR to add some sort of weight to his words. If he was in the Republican party he is no longer welcome. Just like Flake and Graham and McCain. They serve people other than republican voters.
The only thing worse than democrats in DC are the republicans who put an R by their name knowing they are serving the globalists. They do it knowingly because they know most Americans will support the MAGA agenda given an honest choice.
ARM says " countries that have fully enacted socialism, such as Germany and the Scandinavian countries"
They have not "fully enacted socialism." That is a lie. In fact, Sweden has made serious market reforms to stay competitive.
"Johnny Munkhammar is a member of the Swedish Parliament and a committed supporter of economic liberalization. He has a column in the Wall Street Journal Europe that does a great job of explaining how Sweden became rich when it was a small-government, pro-market nation. He then notes that his country veered off track in the 1970s and 1980s, but is now heading back in the right direction."
Munkhammar wrote:
"Sweden’s socialism lasted only for a couple of decades, roughly during the 1970s and 1980s. And as it happens, these decades mark the only break in the modern Swedish success story. …The Swedish tax burden was lower than the European average throughout these successful 60 years, and lower even than in the U.S. Only in 1950 did Sweden’s tax burden rise to 20% of GDP, though that remained comparatively low
In the early 1990s, the pace quickened, and most markets except for labor and housing were liberalized. The state sold its shares in a number of companies, granted independence to its central bank, and introduced school vouchers that improved choice and competition in education. Stockholm slashed public pensions and introduced private retirement schemes, keeping the system demographically sustainable. These decisive economic liberalizations, and not socialism, are what laid the foundations for Sweden’s success over the last 15 years. …Today, the state’s total tax take comes to 45% of GDP, from 56% ten years ago. Meanwhile, unemployment benefits, sick leave and early retirement plans have all been streamlined to encourage work. The number of people receiving such welfare—which soared during the socialist decades—has fallen by 150,000 since 2006, a main reason for Sweden’s remarkably sound public finances."
https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/sweden-is-a-role-model-but-for-free-market-reforms-not-socialism/
You accused Buwaya of getting his facts wrong, but as usual, you are the one who is ill-informed.
ARM: "Hmmm, countries that have fully enacted socialism, such as Germany and the Scandinavian countries,..."
There are no private businesses in those nations?
Huh.
I guess you learn something new every day.
Has anyone told Siemens stockholders? What about Lego? And IKEA? The Kristiansen family will be stunned!
ARM has to be correct of course. He is a lefty. And we have been told quite explicitly that the lefties are "reality based" an all about "facts" and, like, stuff.
So who will let all the shareholders of the almost entirely private business sector in those nations know that they've been wrong all along?
ARM has already done enough so it really should be someone else.
What is the lie -- The lie he said he didn't want people from those countries to immigrate here. The insultI expect you feel the same.
Yawn. Now, I am supposed to call you names, or something. Then you can say,, told ya so trumpists something something.
OK, here is a bone.
Un imaginative. Predictable. Troll. Fake.
Read more Chuck. Learn from him. Righteous outrage. Pompous sincerity. Up your game, you been here for years and years and years.
“You don't think the cream of the crop wants to help their country? I'm sure many of them want to come here and get an education and see our our system of government and free enterprise works precisely so they can help their country.”
But why would we be better off bringing in more illiterate peasants from shit house countries? Sure, some become valedictorians. But probably a lot more become gang bangers, since that is far easier to do. Or, is considered a “dreamer” only because they were legally a minor (or lied about being such) when they came here, and were already gang members when they came here. Realistically, you have a much higher odds of having valedictorians from those who were admitted competitively, because their parents much more likely instilled hard work, education, and deferred gratification, than parents where the norm was child rearing before the end of adolescence.
“Anyways, I thought America First means we shouldn't care whether they may be worse off as a result of some action that makes us better off.”
What is important to many Americans, very likely a distinct majority of them is whether the country is better or worse or off, esp contrasted with whether we admitted someone else. The question is not whether or not a potential legal immigrant would be better off here (most from 3rd world countries would be), but whether we, as a country would benefit more if we admitted someone else instead.
Of course, now Sweden is busily working on becoming a shithole by importing thousands of refuges. Malmo is now the rape capital of Europe.
Nice going!
Hey, Sweden "introduced school vouchers that improved choice and competition in education."
ARM's socialist paradise Sweden has school vouchers! And yet, our regressive liberals bitterly cling to the old ways.
Thank you for reposting those comments. I do feel this is an undercovered aspect of the news of the day. Apparently it is now OK for the President of the United States to payoff hookers/porn stars. No problem.
The state sold its shares in a number of companies, granted independence to its central bank, and introduced school vouchers that improved choice and competition in education. Stockholm slashed public pensions and introduced private retirement schemes, keeping the system demographically sustainable.
Just think - every single one of those proposals would make Ritmo froth at the mouth and write 10,000 word comments here about Republican Nazis who want poor minorities to die.
So no country with any private businesses is a socialist country? Interesting definition.
Payoff porn stars? Bad! Pay off victims of sexual harassment and worse? No problem if the louche scum is a democrat.
AReasonableMan said...
Thank you for reposting those comments. I do feel this is an undercovered aspect of the news of the day. Apparently it is now OK for the President of the United States to payoff hookers/porn stars. No problem.
Actually it has to do with the fact that there are no named sources to the story and all of the principle agents in the story credibly deny it happened. Unlike Fusion GPS and Hillary, there are no bank records proving payments were made.
There is also the context that your side protected known rapists, obvious bribery, and supports using the FBI/NSA to spy on political opponents.
Small stuff I know.
AReasonableMan said...
So no country with any private businesses is a socialist country? Interesting definition.
Not as interesting as watching you react to facts that don't fit your narrative.
Can you imagine trying to negotiate a serious legislative issue with a shithole like Durbin from the shithouse that is Illinois?
Apparently it is now OK for the President of the United States to payoff hookers/porn stars. No problem.
Just for the record, Trump denies this, the actress denies this, there is no evidence circumstantial or otherwise.
If it did happen, the "offense" happened before he was president, not while he was president. No harm/no foul just like Clinton's rapes and Teddy's homicide.
I think a much more interesting story is the one about women paid by Leftwing activists to make allegations about Trump.
ARM: "So no country with any private businesses is a socialist country? Interesting definition."
Interesting formulation.
"any private businesses"
LOL
Nice try.
In all those nations almost all productive enterprises are privately owned.
"any"
Hilarious.
Achilles said...
all of the principle agents in the story credibly deny it happened.
There has been no denial of the payment. Maybe they just chatted.
Gahrie: "Just for the record, Trump denies this, the actress denies this,..."
He knows this. It's just a distraction from what will be emerging from Horowitz' IG report and further exposure of the wide-scale abuse of the 702 program by obama/clinton/LLR Chuck allies.
This is what the "word" kerfuffle is all about. Obfuscating the exposure of democrat shenanigans.
LLR Chuck due to be hardest hit!
I can't wait to see what Chuck's strong defense of the dems will be.
The "smart" money will be that the dems didn't do any of this on purpose, they will claim they were just duped by the Putin's cronies who played the role of "validaters" of the fake dossier info which originated by the Fusion GPS contracters sifting thru the NSA/FBI databases.
This is not a great fall back position, but it just may be the only viable one in the end.
I expect rivers of Chuck tears as dems are exposed.
ARM: "There has been no denial of the payment. Maybe they just chatted"
Feel free to affirmatively present any real evidence you have.
We won't hold our breath.
Perhaps its time to recycle the fake dossier golden showers lie. You really enjoyed that one the first time around and, despite being hilariously false just like all the other claims, at least it allowed you some momentary joy.
ARM wisely has abandoned the "socialist nation" nonsense.
At least ARM, unlike Chuck, recognizes a poor hand when he sees one.
So are Germany and the Scandinavian countries socialist countries on are they not socialist countries? Seems your definition is context dependent.
ARM: "Seems your definition is context dependent."
I'm sorry if it seems that way to you.
ARM: "Hmmm, countries that have fully enacted socialism, ..."
Feel free to define "fully enacted socialism".
Or don't.
Whatever.
Drago wrote:
I expect rivers of Chuck tears as dems are exposed.
Until then, I offer this for your amusement: Samantha Power held an election night party to celebrate the coronation of Queen Hill. She invited 37 female UN diplomats, plus Gloria Steinem and Madeline Albright to watch that glass ceiling get shattered.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/samantha-power-hosting-election-night-party-to-celebrate-clinton-victory-was-one-of-my-many-bad-ideas/article/2645949
Alas, what was shattered was the final remains of Dem and GOPe sanity.
The scene at Powers' digs will be shown in a HBO documentary, "The Final Year." Wouldn't miss it for anything.
I view Germany and the Scandinavian countries as socialist countries, unequivocally. This is socialism as it is practiced today, as opposed the crazed fantasy that you routinely evoke.
Why are we talking about shitholes?
Choo Choo Bitches!
Mueller and Rosenstein were both involved in covering up Uranium One. Holder gagged the whistle blower that had information on why the Russians gave Hillary $145 million.
ARM corrects the misguided Swedish Parliamentarian Johnny Munkhammar, who labors under the impression that his country is a role model for free market reforms and not socialism.
"Meanwhile, unemployment benefits, sick leave and early retirement plans have all been streamlined to encourage work. The number of people receiving such welfare—which soared during the socialist decades—has fallen by 150,000 since 2006, a main reason for Sweden’s remarkably sound public finances."
ARM knows more than a Swede does about Swedish socialism!
Tits
Shit
So one vote that Sweden is not a socialist country but instead a paradigm of free market economies. Sweden.
AReasonableMan said...
I view Germany and the Scandinavian countries as socialist countries, unequivocally. This is socialism as it is practiced today, as opposed the crazed fantasy that you routinely evoke.
Socialist country for ARM apparently means countries that depend on the United States to protect them and are otherwise places that he can cite approvingly from a distance with no actual knowledge of how the country is run.
Venezuela and Cuba are not to be mentioned. Ever. Or Zimbabwe...
ARM: "I view Germany and the Scandinavian countries as socialist countries, unequivocally."
LOL
Good for you Tiger.
I'll let Webster's know.
Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers...
Omigosh, Gahrie! I think you've got it! :-O
You said "fully enacted socialism" were shown to be wrong, and are now trying to weasel out of it in your usual slippery and dishonest way, ARM.
Grow a pair and admit you don't know what you're talking about.
ARM: "So one vote that Sweden is not a socialist country but instead a paradigm of free market economies"
LOL
ARM wisely abandons his indefensible position based on his feelings to trying to put definitions into others mouths.
Not really even a game attempt.
Disappointing.
AReasonableMan said...
So one vote that Sweden is not a socialist country but instead a paradigm of free market economies. Sweden.
Actually she is discussing policies, not countries. She is discussing a specific policy a country enacted that made their economy more efficient.
Trying to decide whether your "socialist" label applies to a specific country is really just a child's game. It is what leftists do when they have to try to defend their policy failures.
It must be exhausting to shift goalposts around as much as ARM does.
Come on ARM, it's so easy! I can't believe you can't get this.
Why don't you instead argue something along the lines of relatively free and open markets with productive enterprises privately owned but with a heavy dose of social welfare built in?
You know, something approximating reality AND would allow you to advance the point you were trying to make.
I can't believe I have to do this for you.
"The number of people receiving such welfare—which soared during the socialist decades—has fallen by 150,000 since 2006, a main reason for Sweden’s remarkably sound public finances."
I guess they still have tried "real" socialism yet. We all know that works perfectly!
exiledonmainstreet said...
You said "fully enacted socialism" were shown to be wrong, and are now trying to weasel out of it in your usual slippery and dishonest way, ARM.
Mindless ad hominem. If you don't think Sweden is a socialist country go on the record making that stupid claim. Otherwise you are a coward. Your choice.
Speaking of shitholes:
"A candidate running for Illinois attorney general was robbed at gunpoint while he was taking promotional photos for his campaign Thursday afternoon in the Northwest Side ward where he’s also the Democratic committeeman, according to his campaign manager and authorities."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-illinois-attorney-general-candidate-robbed-20180111-story.html
The Obama DoJ was a real shithole. CHOO CHOOOOOO!
The first 13 points in the tweets at the above link detail 4 executives who were charged with numerous counts of money laundering, conspiracy, bribery etc... and who all signed plea deals that (surprise!) involved little/no jail time.
14. Notice something about these cases? None ever saw the light of day, where testimony would be made public. They were all 'disappeared'. Now with that in mind, consider the following bombshell facts:
15. ALL of these cases were prosecuted by the same duo, or combination thereof - Rod Rosenstein & Andrew Weissman. Yes, you read that correctly.
16. The FBI officer assigned to each case? Why, one Andrew McCabe. Yes - you also read that correctly. Your eyes are NOT deceiving you.
Guess how many judge(s) presided over the cases! If you guess 1 you wold be right. And take a look at who that judge is!
One card left in the deck for democrats. Gonna be a long hot summer of RAAACCCIIISMM!!
No, ARM, I would agree with Drago's characterization: Sweden has "relatively free and open markets with productive enterprises privately owned but with a heavy dose of social welfare built in?"
That is not how you characterized Sweden. You said it was "fully realized" and "unequivocally socialist."
What do the words "fully realized" and "unequivocal" mean to you? Apparently, whatever you want them to mean at the moment.
ARM: "Mindless ad hominem. If you don't think Sweden is a socialist country go on the record making that stupid claim. Otherwise you are a coward. Your choice."
Ah, "righteous" anger in lieu of admitting you were clearly and laughably incorrect.
Unexpectedly!
"Ah, "righteous" anger in lieu of admitting you were clearly and laughably incorrect."
Par for the course with ARM.
exiled: "That is not how you characterized Sweden. You said it was "fully realized" and "unequivocally socialist."
ARM cannot admit anything less, because to do so he would have to admit that it is the capitalistic activities within those nations that actually produce the wealth that provides for the social welfare nets.
Not to mention that not a single one of these nations has paid anywhere near what they should have over the last 70 years on defense because they have been the ultimate free-riders on the US defense umbrella.
The military forces of these nations are a joke and no one who is in the business of knowing about such things thinks otherwise.
It was just a few years ago that the lefties were extolling the "successes" of Chavez' socialism in Venezuela....and now there is nothing.
Why?
They finally ran out of other peoples money and the inherent contradictions of leftist govt could no longer be hidden.
Unexpectedly.
It really is a shame that those nations that have "unequivocally" "fully enacted socialism" have failed.
But only 100% of the time.
However, that's only because it hasn't been done in the "right" country yet and run by the "right" people yet.
Next time for sure!!!
Onward!
exiledonmainstreet said...
I would agree with Drago's characterization: Sweden has "relatively free and open markets with productive enterprises privately owned but with a heavy dose of social welfare built in?"
So is Sweden a socialist country, a simple yes or no will suffice?
So is Sweden a socialist country, a simple yes or no will suffice?
Maybe.
So is Sweden a socialist country, a simple yes or no will suffice?
Semi-Socialist.
AReasonableMan said...
Mindless ad hominem. If you don't think Sweden is a socialist country go on the record making that stupid claim. Otherwise you are a coward. Your choice.
Sweden is not a socialist country.
Since you called this a stupid claim I am going to humiliate you.
"The Swedish economic model, which has been similar to other Scandinavian countries and therefore are called the "Scandinavian model" or "Nordic model", has the goal of creating a welfare state, not a state based on collective ownership.
Large private-owned companies from Sweden is i.e. IKEA, H&M and Ericsson. The existence of large privately-owned companies is not compatible with the definition of socialism."
"In fact, Sweden is not a socialist country in the classical sense at all. Marx and Engels would be very disappointed with Sweden where 90% of industry is privately owned. Genuine “socialism,” in principle, is where the people own the means of production, and profit is meant for the public good, not an elite, capitalist class."
In practice, the Swedish system involves local governments allowing families to use public funds, in the form of vouchers, to finance their child’s education at a private school, including schools run by the dreaded for-profit corporation.
"How do supporters of Bernie Sanders feel about the minimum wage? You will find no such government-imposed floors on labor in Sweden, Norway, or Denmark. Instead, minimum wages are decided by collective-bargaining agreements between unions and employers; they typically vary on an occupational or industrial basis. Union-imposed wages lock out the least skilled and do their own damage to an economy, but such a decentralized system is still arguably a much better way of doing things than having the central government set a one-size fits all wage policy that covers every occupation nationwide."
Just for starters. You really are an ignorant bore.
Perhaps Durbin es eine Scheisskopf
You couldn't humiliate Trump in the middle of blow job with one of his hookers.
Again, I view Sweden as a very successful socialist country. So successful in fact that no one wants to leave there and emigrate to the US, despite the shitty weather.
"This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level."
Gee, ARM, what's this free market capitalism shit show in Sweden?
You couldn't humiliate Trump in the middle of blow job with one of his hookers.
You say that like it's a bad thing....
ARM: "You couldn't humiliate Trump in the middle of blow job with one of his hookers."
Yep.
That's all ARM has left.
I think we all know what that means.
Sweden has been hovering just over 1% for defense expenditures for 25 years.
However, given their massively growing internal security problem caused by immigrants from small Amish communities in the violent US (heh) the swedes have decided to up spending by the equiv of $55 in 2017 (ooooo, $55M, that will get you about another 3 popguns and a canoe).
One probably shouldn’t climb onto one’s high horse about things that they are perfectly happy to tolerate in their own presidential candidates and presidents.
So successful in fact that no one wants to leave there and emigrate to the US, despite the shitty weather.
Bullshit. There is a long list of famous people who left Sweden to specifically avoid their beautiful socialism
You might want to start with their professional tennis players.
I just want to congratulate you all. Never did I imagine that I would live to see the day when a bunch of right wingers wanted to argue that Sweden is not a socialist country. Given that Sweden is not a socialist country, in your minds, maybe now we can get universal (not socialized) medical coverage, like Sweden.
Gahrie said...
You say that like it's a bad thing....
No, just an observation, given the pathetic effort he had already made.
Run--don't walk--over to PJ Media* for a hilarious article, "An Open Letter to President Trump," by Bruce Bawer. Mr. Bawer takes a map of the world and labels various countries in ways that, he hopes, will be less offensive to delicate "liberal" sensibilities than the offensive "s-hole" word. Some of his suggestions (you can guess the countries): "Dangerous corrupt hellhole;" "Oppressive socialist tyranny;" and "Bankrupt horror show." It's like P. J. O'Rourke writing under the pseudonym "Bruce Bawer."
*Link available via Instapundit.
Jim at said...
Bullshit. There is a long list of famous people who left Sweden to specifically avoid their beautiful socialism
One vote for Yes, Sweden is a socialist country.
AReasonableMan said...
Again, I view Sweden as a very successful socialist country.
Your entire world view is a fantasy. Why not hold onto this one too.
"Never did I imagine that I would live to see the day when a bunch of right wingers wanted to argue that Sweden is not a socialist country."
a) Not a right winger.
b) Not an argument, shit head, it's an economic fact.
c) Now, be a man and admit you're wrong.
If Trump had said "bucket case" instead of shithole, I think the same meaning would have been communicated. Would "bucket case" have had the same effect?
Fabi said...
a) Not a right winger.
b) Not an argument
Another No vote, Sweden is not a socialist country. Not sure if we should count this one given the lack of self-awareness.
Oh what the hell, I'll count it. If he's not a right winger then maybe Sweden really isn't a socialist country.
My running tally now is 2 votes for Sweden is a socialist country and 2 votes for Sweden is not a socialist country.
A tie breaker vote is coming up.
That's the spirit ARM!
Just declare victory in the face of contradictory facts and then move on!
Very LLR Chuck-like I might add.....which I did.
Here's something from the Danish Prime Minister in 2015 which contradicts ARM, so clearly the Danish Prime Minister is wrong.
"Speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Danish PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen told students that he had “absolutely no wish to interfere the presidential debate in the US” but nonetheless attempted to set the record straight about his country.
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.
“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added. "
https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist
A bit of data: TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ‘HOLE’
12,513 Afghans became permanent residents in ’16. Their country is in the middle of an endless civil war between the Islamic terrorists who hate us and the Islamic terrorists who really, really hate us.
Only 31% of the population of Afghanistan can read. Around 1,000 of the Afghans we took in have jobs. 8,190 don’t have jobs. 3,158 are marked as unknown. That’s an 8% employment rate.
The left has been shrieking that wrapping up Temporary Protected Status for aliens from El Salvador will wreak havoc on our businesses and economy. In ’16, we took in 23,449 Salvadorans. Around 3,000 have jobs. The other 20,000 don’t seem to.
Before TPS ended for El Salvador, it ended for Haiti. 23,584 Haitians became permanent residents in ’16. Haiti is a permanent disaster. So are its immigrants. Only 2,691 or 11% are employed.
And in ’16, we also took in 5,159 residents from France. 40% of them are working.
Here's one for Sweden from 2016:
""In the 1950s, Sweden was already one of the world's richest countries, and back then, taxes were lower in Sweden than in the United States."
It was only after that, says Norberg, "did we start expanding the government dramatically."
"And do you know what happened then? We started losing," says Norberg.
"It all ended in a terrible crisis."
As we have noted before, Sweden has been repealing its welfare state post-crisis. Norberg says the country has become "successful again, but only after a new reform period, with more deregulation and free trade than in other countries." Taxes have been cut, school vouchers allocated, and the pension system partially privatized as Sweden distances itself from its welfare-state past."
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/swedish-economist-schools-sanders-on-the-ravages-of-socialism/
Here's the bottom line ARM.
You can have as much socialism as you'd like, as long as you have enough capitalism to actually pay for it.
The Danish Prime Minister clearly needs ARM to explain to him that Denmark is socialist.
@ Ralph L. who said: I thought calling someone a brick shithouse was a compliment.
It is a compliment. A brick shithouse is one that is more than well built.It is built beyond the specifications of the standard shithouse, or more nicely known as an outhouse.
If you are a brick house, you are stacked, solid, good looking, and "built" to the nth degree. It IS a compliment :-)
exiledonmainstreet said...
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Curious George, Chuck was also wailing that Trump was going to sell all us rubes out on immigration. Chuck's a hardliner on illegal immigration you see. Just like Jeb! and Rubio and the Chamber of Commerce.
Hey, I wasn't the guy on national television last Tuesday, sitting in a room with Democrats and Republicans, proclaiming that I was confident that they would make a deal together, and that it would be a great deal, and that I was sure I'd be able to sign it without trying to put my own stamp on it.
I wasn't the guy yammering incomprehensibly about how "Truly, it should be a bill of love and we can do that." A bill of love. Who talks like that? Not Rubio. Not Jeb Bush.
So Drago, Is Sweden a socialist country? Yes or No. Commit man, don't be a pussy.
ARM: "So Drago, Is Sweden a socialist country? Yes or No. Commit man, don't be a pussy."
I happily associate myself fully with the Danish Prime Minister and Swedish economist Johan Norberg as noted above.
"Scandinavia is the American Left’s Shangri-La. It is the land of social democracy and of all good things. It is the answer to any objection that new welfare benefits can’t be adopted here: But look how well they work in Sweden. Bernie Sanders reverted to this article of faith when challenged over his socialism at last week’s Democratic debate. He invited America to sit at the knee of Scandinavia. “I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway,” he said, “and learn from what they have accomplished for their working people.”
"There are a couple of things wrong with the Left’s romance with these countries, as Swedish analyst Nima Sanandaji notes in a recent monograph. It doesn’t fully appreciate the sources of Nordic success, or how Scandinavia has turned away from the socialism so alluring to its international admirers."
"The first thing to know is that Scandinavia is inhabited by Scandinavians, a hardworking, responsible people who have had high levels of social trust and cohesion for a very long time. These are splendid qualities for any place to have. As Sanandaji points out, Scandinavia already had high life expectancy and other health indicators before it expanded its welfare state, and already had more equal societies. You can take the Scandinavians out of Scandinavia, but not the Scandinavia out of the Scandinavians. Sure enough, they have thrived here in the United States outside of their social-democracy hothouse. The descendants of Scandinavian immigrants have median incomes 20 percent higher than the U.S. average, and their poverty rate is half the average, according to Sanandaji."
Drago said...
I happily associate myself fully with the Danish Prime Minister and Swedish economist Johan Norberg as noted above.
So you went with pussy? Sad!
"No one remembers, but Scandinavia wasn’t always a watchword for social democracy. Indeed, Sweden was such a free-market success story that Republicans should be citing it in their debates. It started as a poor country in the late 19th century, then achieved takeoff under a dynamic capitalist system into the middle of the 20th century. Its boom coincided with the time when its taxes were lower than in the U.S. and the rest of Europe."
"When Bernie Sanders and his ilk hold up Scandinavia as an exemplar, they are really thinking of a couple of decades beginning in the early 1970s when Sweden and others got their full Sanders on. In Sweden, the effective marginal tax rate topped 100 percent in some circumstances. There is a reason that IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprad fled the country in 1973. Sweden instituted a scheme to confiscate corporate profits and hand them over to labor unions. The idea was, in the words of a Swedish economist, to have “a market economy without individual capitalists and entrepreneurs.” "
Hillary Clinton weighed in today on the Haiti/Shithole controversy. When asked if he thought Haiti was a shithole, Clinton responded:
"Haiti is not a Shithole. It is a Goldmine."
"This was about as logical as it sounded — and delivered predictable results. The socialist golden years weren’t so golden for economic performance. Entrepreneurship plummeted. Job creation and wages sputtered. The Scandinavian story the past few decades has been a turn against socialism. Taxes have fallen, and markets have been liberalized. Kamprad returned to Sweden.
The Scandinavian story the past few decades has been a turn against socialism. Taxes have fallen, and markets have been liberalized. Kamprad returned to Sweden."
No Chuck, you were the guy yammering for over a year how much smarter you were than anyone else on these boards and lecturing us endlessly about how Trump would be blown out and you would be back to poke your finger into everyone's chest over that epic defeat.
The saddest part?
That was your high water mark!
LOL
There is no amount of making stuff up about Trump that will ever allow you live down how you were exposed as an utter and complete empty suit in terms of understanding just about anything.
And it was glorious.
Glorious.
"It became obvious that generous-enough welfare benefits can undermine the initiative of even the heartiest Scandinavian stock, and these countries have been adjusting accordingly. An article in the New York Times a couple of years ago recounted the backlash against welfare dependence in Denmark. It cited a study that projected in 2013 that only three of 98 municipalities would have a majority of residents working."
"Nothing will undermine the Left’s faith in the Scandinavian model, but Bernie Sanders could learn a thing or two from the reformers in the countries that he so admires."
Sweden is a strange country. I would label it as pragmatic socialism. In some ways the US is more Socialist than Sweden.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/sorry-leftist-americans-your-swedish-utopia-does-not-exist/article/1000785
The challenge is as Sweden allowed in people that are not assimilating and are bankrupting their welfare state. And Sweden is having a hard time dealing with the differences in culture of a basically tribal culture, verses the general Swedish group culture. Sweden already stopped further immigration very quickly, which I did not expect. It shows what happens when a consensus emerges in Sweden, action happens very quickly. Same thing happened when a lot of Socialist stuff that was not working was removed, to free up the economy.
>Is Sweden a socialist country? Yes or No. Commit man, don't be a pussy.
ARM: "So you went with pussy? Sad!"
....Straight Line Alert.....Too....Many....Jokes.....available......Overloading.....
"Not sure if we should count this one given the lack of self-awareness. Oh what the hell, I'll count it. If he's not a right winger then maybe Sweden really isn't a socialist country."
Lulz! Keep digging, ARM -- you have neither proven that Sweden is socialist nor do you have basis to show that I'm a right winger.
I don't really see how it matters since he was referring to people, not places. He didn't want any people from these places to immigrate here. So in his mind, people from these places are "unclean" and always will be. That's my take, anyway. Per usual, I'm ready for the personal insults from the Althouse gang.
Oh, I don't think you're anyways ready, you worthless result from a five dollar whore doing a donkey show. I take that back, the female must have been a Jenny because you're 100% jackass.
I believe that Steve Uhr sees no difference between someone who is illiterate in any language, and someone who has received an good education, has talents to offer the United States, and speaks English rather better than most native-born Americans. I believe that Steve Uhr wants to believe that Trump likewise sees no difference, but Trump is quite a bit smarter than Steve Uhr (very, very low bar).
ARM is flailing quite nicely now.
Not nearly to the level necessary to trigger another of his epic meltdowns as we saw a couple years back, but still amusing!
Scandinavian Unexceptionalism Get the book
Chuck said...
Hey, I wasn't the guy on national television last Tuesday, sitting in a room with Democrats and Republicans, proclaiming that I was confident that they would make a deal together, and that it would be a great deal, and that I was sure I'd be able to sign it without trying to put my own stamp on it.
I wasn't the guy yammering incomprehensibly about how "Truly, it should be a bill of love and we can do that." A bill of love. Who talks like that? Not Rubio. Not Jeb Bush.
100% bad faith.
100% of the time.
Trump is into branding, so he stole the words from Jeb and Rubio of love. This way Trump is the hero and has the superior moral position in the negotiations while demanding end chain migration, not more immigration lottery, and build the wall. Durbin saw this, so he blew up the negotiations.
And Trump has the ability to keep the focus on the Democrats. Trump is not afraid to point fingers, and make it stick. He hits back. I am surprised he has not gone all out on Durbin yet. Perhaps he is trying to project his kinder, nicer, Presidential side, while allowing the Democrats be the bad, out of control, extremists. Or still negotiating.
Trump understands the news cycle and how to control it. So there is some method to his madness.
>Chuck Said
>I wasn't the guy yammering incomprehensibly about how "Truly, it should be a bill of
>love and we can do that." A bill of love. Who talks like that? Not Rubio. Not Jeb Bush.
Capitalism is a dynamic, democratic economic system. Socialism is a minority or elite system. Capitalism does not tolerate monopoly formation or practices. When secular (i.e. amoral) individuals run amuck, the proper role of government is to restore market function. In a society that recognizes the moral axioms (e.g. Christian religion/moral philosophy): individual dignity (not "diverse") and intrinsic value (not Choice), the market is supplemented through private and public institutions with smoothing functions, while accounting for the risk of progressive corruption and spiritual destruction.
ARM and Chuck probably realize their lefty talking points are already falling flat in the swing states so it's time to expand the discussion to include everything else and the kitchen sink....again.
That's why we see ARM and Chuck continuously recycling old stuff to keep the narratives moving.
It's not working with anyone outside of the dem/LLR Chuck base for the left, but that's all they have.
Again, with the IG inspectors report kicking documents out in massive quantities now it will take a herculean effort by LLR Chuck to run interference for his dem/lefty allies.
Trump has the ability to keep the focus on the Democrats
He evolved, survived, and prospered in this environment. He may have sinned, but has repented.
The challenge is as Sweden allowed in people that are not assimilating and are bankrupting their welfare state
Assimilation and integration. The problem for advocates of social justice adventures (e.g. elective wars, regime changes, abortion fields) and immigration reform (e.g. refugee crises), is not only have aliens failed to assimilate but also to integrate into their host countries. On the other hand, welfare profits are progressive, "minority" leverage can exploited to gerrymander the vote, and Planned Parenthood (e.g. selective-child) can be sustained under a pervasive (e.g. cultural) illusion.
Drago said...
....Straight Line Alert.....Too....Many....Jokes.....available......Overloading.....
I throw a ball right down the middle of the plate and yet you fail to make one good joke. Sad!
The old Drago, pre-Trump, would have let one rip.
ARM: "The old Drago, pre-Trump, would have let one rip."
These are dangerous times for rhetoric and humor....
Drago said...
That's why we see ARM and Chuck continuously recycling old stuff to keep the narratives moving.
Trump's payoff to the hookers is old stuff? Does the religious right know?
Achilles said...
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I don't mind Chuck on the board. I appreciate opposing points of view. But bad faith is bad faith. He says he is a LLR to add some sort of weight to his words. If he was in the Republican party he is no longer welcome. Just like Flake and Graham and McCain. They serve people other than republican voters.
The only thing worse than democrats in DC are the republicans who put an R by their name knowing they are serving the globalists. They do it knowingly because they know most Americans will support the MAGA agenda given an honest choice.
I said, long ago on one or two occasions, that I was a lifelong Republican because it is true. And because daily, I am subjected to false and sometimes defamatory attacks on these comments pages, including regular attacks that because I criticize Trump (indeed, because I personally hate Trump) that I must be a Democrat, a leftist, a tool, a troll, etc.
I don't claim my status as support for any arguments. I regularly state that I voted for Trump because so many people, without a whiff of evidence, seem to want to say that it can't be true. When it is most certainly true.
They are such stupid comments about me, on these pages. If it were so, Jonah Goldberg, the conservative author of "Liberal Fascism" would likewise be a, uh, liberal.
You talk about Trump critics as if they were hostile to the Republican party. Meanwhile, we have the Bannon wing of the party talking eagerly about wanting to primary every incumbent Republican member of the Senate, and of destroying the "GOP establishment."
People like you (and Bannon) have been talking up an open war on the leadership of the Republican Party. You talk of "cucks" and of destroying people that you classify and "globalists" because they criticize Trump.
And then you have the nerve to accuse people like me of "bad faith" as a Republican.
You can have my Republican Party... when you pry it from my cold dead hand.
OT:
FBI Probe Into Russian Uranium Bribes Concealed By Obama DOJ; Mueller, McCabe, Rosenstein Involved
And one creepy Judge.
Remember the name Theodore Chuang
Democrats don't want Sweden, & have no idea how to replicate Scandinavian success. Democrats want Venezuela or Cuba.
Chuck said...
If it were so, Jonah Goldberg, the conservative author of "Liberal Fascism" would likewise be a, uh, liberal.
And thus a fascist.
LLR Chuck: "You can have my Republican Party... when you pry it from my cold dead hand."
LOL
What about the other hand?
It's not your party. If it were, Trump would not be President.
Put that in your pro-Durbin s***-heel Love Bag and smoke it.
Chuck said...
You talk about Trump critics as if they were hostile to the Republican party.
You aren't hostile to the Republican party. You are hostile to republican voters. That is what this is all about.
You constantly undermine the people who actually fight for us. You constantly support those who sell us out.
There hasn't been a single democrat attack on Trump you haven't sided with the democrats on. Not a single one. Now you are on Dick Durbin's side. Unexpectedly. Dick Durbin is a complete piece of shit. No person acting in good faith would take Durbin's side in anything. But you took Blumenthal's side too and Blumenthal is a total piece of shit. Trump is a far better human being than either of those people but you are on their side. And you expect your claim of good faith to be respected.
What a joke.
"Bowe Bergdahl Republican" Chuck: "I said, long ago on one or two occasions, that I was a lifelong Republican because it is true."
Irrelevant.
You are 100% operationally aligned with the democrats.
Your motivations do not concern or interest me in the least.
“Never did I imagine that I would live to see the day when a bunch of right wingers wanted to argue that Sweden is not a socialist country. Given that Sweden is not a socialist country, in your minds, maybe now we can get universal (not socialized) medical coverage, like Sweden.”
All those years of Rightists lamenting over all those no good horrible European socialist countries, lol. Now they are no longer socislist because Trump prefers their people over the people from the brown countries. Such grand flip flops are only possible in the age of Trump.
Achilles said...
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There hasn't been a single democrat attack on Trump you haven't sided with the democrats on. Not a single one. Now you are on Dick Durbin's side. Unexpectedly. Dick Durbin is a complete piece of shit. No person acting in good faith would take Durbin's side in anything. But you took Blumenthal's side too and Blumenthal is a total piece of shit. Trump is a far better human being than either of those people but you are on their side. And you expect your claim of good faith to be respected.
I took Blumenthal's side in the debate about whether then-Judge Gorsuch really did say what Blumenthal reported. I was right. Blumenthal was right. We know that Blumenthal was right, because a few weeks after that controversy raged on these pages, then-Judge Gorsuch confirmed it under oath in sworn testimony on live tv.
Exactly as I predicted he would, on these comments pages. I called it, almost to the day that the story would be concluded in Blumenthal's favor.
Of course, Blumenthal voted against confirmation of Justice Gorsuch and I stated publicly that I loved the nomination and that I wanted him confirmed.
So yeah, there is that aspect to the usual low-grade trashtalk that you typify here at the Althouse blog.
As for Dick Durbin, I have never once written a nice word about him on this blog. What I am saying about Dick Durbin now is simply that I expect he is right about Trump's comments in that meeting. I wish that Durbin didn't talk about how Trump's comments were "hateful" or "demeaning" or "disparaging" or "un-American" or any of those value judgments. I wish that Durbin had simply gone before cameras and said, "I disagree with President Trump about a great many things, and probably most things; but I am not here to dwell on that today, and I don't want to continue the immigration debate today. I am here for one reason today, and that is to end any doubt about whether the President referred to "shithole countries" as has been reported in the press. He did that. And he made that reference several times. Senator Graham was clearly upset by the reference and said so. I was upset by that reference, and I feel it is important to be clear about what was said. I will now answer any of your questions about that, and I urge the other people who were in the room to do the same."
You all think that Dick Durbin has a long history of untruthfulness. I'm confident that I'd agree with some of those charges. But no one in all of Washington comes close to Donald Trump in terms of brazen, shameless, reckless, sociopathic lying. If there is a credibility contest between Donald Trump and anybody else, I will side with "anybody else."
Trump the birther. And truther. And vaxxer. The guy who posed as "John Miller," and "John Baron," and hung up when confronted about it. The guy who ran a hidden microphone in his Trump Tower office, and lied about it. The guy who sued Tim O'Brien for libel. The guy who says all of his tax returns are under audit and that he somehow can't release them. And that he won an electoral college victory that was the largest since Reagan. I'd suggest a spreadsheet for all of Donald Trump's lies, but in fact it would take an encyclopedia to adequately address them.
LLR Chuck is lying about his mitigation attempts for Blumenthals Stolen Valor lies.
Putting that on top of Chuckies strong support for s***-heel Durbin who called Bush and our soldiers nazi's pretty much shows who Chuckie is.
No wonder Chuck had no problem rumor mongering about a 10 year old and demanding a 15 year old who dared make a funny video be doxxed.
Chuck is every bit as big a s***-heel as the lefties he defends.
So he deseves everything he gets.
Inga said...
All those years of Rightists lamenting over all those no good horrible European socialist countries, lol. Now they are no longer socislist because Trump prefers their people over the people from the brown countries. Such grand flip flops are only possible in the age of Trump.
Maybe Trump really is the Manchurian candidate, dreamt up by Chuck and Nancy in order to usher in a (not socialist) paradise that looks like Sweden (but is definitely not socialist).
BTW, Powerline has a great mashup of the lies Chucks pals in the lefty media have said about the Tax Cut and the benefits of that cut moving into employee pockets along with the reported announcements of many many companies doing just that.
If you want to know why LLR Chuck is going ballistic its due to the coming economic improvements in the lives of tens of millions of Americans due to the Trump tax cuts and the lefties and Chuck can't let that go unchallenged.
Take a look for yourself, it's great fun!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/01/the-media-vs-the-facts-on-tax-reform.php
LLR Chuck, as always, hardest hit!
ARM: "Maybe Trump really is the Manchurian candidate, dreamt up by Chuck and Nancy in order to usher in a (not socialist) paradise that looks like Sweden (but is definitely not socialist)."
Whom should I believe, ARM and Inga, or the Danish Prime Minister?
Hmmmmmm, ARM and Inga, or the Danish Prime Minister?
It's a close call, but on balance, I'll go with the Danish Prime Minister!
Better luck next time ARM!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=80&v=5fSRTQ4Sc4k
A Nigerian sounds off on Trump’s comments.
Inga, did you ever clue yourself in that it was a Hawaii state employee who caused the false Nuke attack warning?
Did you also take a moment or two to clue yourself in that Fusion GPS/Simpson has retracted his claim that the FBI had an "insider informant" in the Trump campaign?
Ouch.
Auntie Trump: "A Nigerian sounds off on Trump’s comments."
That black nigerian citizen doesn't know anything!
Just ask Inga!
Once again, the point sails 10 feet over Ingas head.
Lord, it would be painful to be as stupid as Inga, our village idiot.
n.n. @ 5:23
Capitalism-free markets are- organic. It is behavior that we engage in naturally. Socialism, in all it's permutations, is artificial. Socialism injects itself into the market place in the false belief that the state knows better than the players how the marketplace works.
Here yaq go ARM. From the Boston Globe no less.https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html
“Did you also take a moment or two to clue yourself in that Fusion GPS/Simpson has retracted his claim that the FBI had an "insider informant" in the Trump campaign.”
Drago, did you not take a moment to clue yourself in about the Australian ambassador who contacted the FBI regarding Papadopolous? That was made public almost two weeks ago. Why are you so poorly informed? I don’t give a shit about what you think Simpson “retracted”. It’s not important.
We were informed that it was an Australian a ambassador that listened to a drunk Papadopoulos spill his guts during a heavy drinking session. That Aussie ambassador contacted the FBI. I don’t care a fig about the conservative counternarrative about some fake controversy over whether or not there was a mole in the Trump camp. That was always conjecture. No one cares. The Aussie ambassador was in contact with the FBI because he was sufficiently concerned about Russian interference in our elections. The info the Ambassador provided corroborated some of the items in the Dossier.
It’s amusing how quickly you people jump on something we’ve known for weeks already and you act like it’s some big deal.
I am pleased to learn that you believe that Scandinavia is not socialist. Since they have universal health care we presumably can get it now as well, because that would definitely not be socialist.
“Lord, it would be painful to be as stupid as Inga, our village idiot.”
Lord it would be embarrassing to be as much of a mean drunk as Exiled is. How early do you start drinking? Sheesh lady, put down that drink, your liver will thank you.
“I am pleased to learn that you believe that Scandinavia is not socialist. Since they have universal health care we presumably can get it now as well, because that would definitely not be socialist.”
Yay! Medicare for All! Let us never again hear that it’s socialist. It’s so nice to see Rightists embracing European style governance nowadays, however they decide to classify it in this age of Trumpism.
No nasty response? Hmmm....maybe she finally passed out....
Rusty:
Capitalism is organic. It is also responsive. So, a functioning capitalist economy mitigates extreme swings that produce persistent and recurring recessions, depressions, and dislocations. It also assesses optimal cost (e.g. affordability) given supply and demand.
Inga said...
All those years of Rightists lamenting over all those no good horrible European socialist countries, lol. Now they are no longer socislist because Trump prefers their people over the people from the brown countries. Such grand flip flops are only possible in the age of Trump.
Actually, that is nothing like what has been posted. But you have a wonderful combination of stupidity and dis-ingenuousness so we expect no less.
If you want to actually read and discuss any of the things posted in good faith go for it. This is a topic that I have fun educating sheep-like leftists who are spoon fed talking points by their masters on. There is joy watching the light bulb come on in a Bernie Bro's head that he has been lied to. Until then I am going to be happy knowing how humiliating it is for you watching every position you hold fall apart around you.
In a month Inga will be denying Russian collusion ever happened. When Mueller, Rosenstein, and McCabe start taking the 5th she will claim nothing happened. The best part will be when one of them turns on Holder/Obama/Clinton to stay out of jail.
Just watch.
Achilles said...
Actually, that is nothing like what has been posted.
Actually, that is exactly what was posted. We are all Sweden now.
Why did he run out with asshole clenched to report naughty words?
Durbin is a shithead
Give that Dick a pussyhat.
"I care more about Trump's lying." .. 'rather than corruption so deep it brings comparisons to Banana Republics.'
I've defended you before, and thought is just TDS, but I see now you are not a serious person at all. Just a different Inga.
Sweden: If they're liberal, you can grab them by the Volvo.
I remember an interaction chez Althouse where someone here was claiming "brick shithouse" was complimentary to women.
I remember an interaction chez Althouse where someone here was claiming "brick shithouse" was complimentary to women.
It does connote physical attractiveness.
AReasonableMan said...
"I am pleased to learn that you believe that Scandinavia is not socialist. Since they have universal health care we presumably can get it now as well, because that would definitely not be socialist"
The brilliant logic of a public sector employee on display. Let us all halt and bask in its glow.
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