Wolff's answer was just "I think a reader should read the book. The book speaks for itself" and that quote I put in the post title, which I thought was a very weird answer. Wolff wouldn't defend the book and the method and care he used. He just insisted that people read the book. Questions about whether the book is true should be determined by readers simply feeling whether it's true.
That reminded me of the way Stephen Colbert presented himself years ago on the first episode of "The Colbert Report": "Now I know some of you may not trust your gut...yet. But with my help you will. The 'truthiness' is, anyone can read the news to you. I promise to feel the news... at you."
It felt like a complete concession that the book was fiction. Because that is how fiction works. It isn't reporting, but a different way of getting to the truth. If it feels true, it is true, for the purposes of the mental life of the reader. What's out there in the real world is... oh, what is it? Is that "real world" you speak of anything at all? I'm here in my own head, where whatever is felt is.
Here's Mark Leibovich, chief national correspondent for The New York Times Magazine, also in the above-linked "Meet the Press" transcript:
Where I am is first of all, is it possible to go any higher than number one on Amazon if you're going to write a book? I mean, this is just, it's incredible.No, it's not incredible. People love a hot pile of salaciousness. They love it even more than whatever hot pile they're cooking up in the pressure cooker they got for Christmas (judging from the Amazon best-seller list, which has Instant Pot recipe books at ##3 & 4).
Back to Leibovich:
I do think... there are very significant journalistic critiques that you can throw at this book. But I also think the "it rings true" truth about this is absolutely valid.Ah ha ha ha ha. He's buying the feel-the-truth-at-you/fiction-is-truth theory that sounded like bullshit when Wolff said it.
And part of it is what Michael Wolff has said and will say again I'm sure is that this is exactly how people around him, or many people around him at the White House, certainly Republicans on the Hill speak privately. Now, if you were to ask, probably I would say 80% of elected Republicans on the Hill, "What do you think of the president's fitness for office?" The first thing you will hear, I guarantee you, is, "Can we go off the record?"So he's using the fiction method. Just making up something. Even putting a number on it. 80%! He hasn't asked this question of all the congressional Republicans. He just feels that if he did 80% of them would say let's go off the record. And he's feeling that at you.
ADDED: In the comments, some are puzzling over the phrase "See if you don't feel like you are with me on that couch in the White House" (in the quote in the post title). But it relates to something earlier in the transcript. Chuck Todd asks Wolff how he managed to become — as he claims — "a fly on the wall in the West Wing." Wolff answers:
You know, I literally kind of knocked on the door and said, “Can I come in?” and they said “Okay.” And I came in. I sat on the couch and that’s the point of view that I’ve written this book from. I mean, in the real intention of this book, is to have readers sit with me on the couch and watch what’s going on in the West Wing. I went into this with absolutely no agenda whatsoever. I have no particular politics when it comes to Donald Trump. This is really all about human nature.Notice how much Wolff sounds like a novelist. Nothing wrong with being a novelist. But there is something wrong with reading a novel and not realizing it's a novel. Remember, recently, the internet went wild talking about the New Yorker short story "Cat Person," and it seemed rather obvious that a lot of people were just talking about it as if it were a blow-by-blow account of a real relationship? Come on, people! That's incompetent reading. Fiction is different.
AND: "Fire and Fury" takes on the burden of being "fake news." Then mainstream news media can report on the book, pass the material along, and claim not to be doing "fake news." Remember the Allcott/Gentzkow definition of fake news I've been talking about (beginning here). The definition (by 2 economists and adopted by at least some political scientists) excludes "rumors that do not originate from a particular news article." I don't accept the definition myself, but I'm seeing the gears turning in the minds of the mainstream media people who want to say things but still worry about their journalistic professionalism.
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It used to be that the first step in a coup was to seize newspaper offices and telegraph and radio broadcasting facilities.
"Fake but Accurate" is chiseled in stone on the left.
"The way to control ... a Mentat ... is through his information. False information -- false results."
-- Dune
By and large, people are going to read that which confirms their opinions.
Or at least appears to confirm them.
It's the Bannon bits that haven't been denied that has given this book so much news coverage. Otherwise it would have been a second rate Kitty Kelly book.
So many weasel words.
The fact that so many believed the Gorilla Channel thing proves that the book is true!
Mass delusion is impossible by definition! Groupthink is not a thing! Come on people! Don’t be so stupid!
The idea that a book or any other document or statement is not subject to any check other than how it "feels" to the reader is a complete surrender to confirmation bias. All those stories that sounded "off" and were later found to be lies, the initial argument was that it feels like it could be true.
Tawana Brawley to the Duke lacrosse team to the UVa rape hoax, on and on.
If I choose to believe all the Clinton Body Count posts on the internet, because I think the Clintons are basically crooked, in what way am I any different?
So, we have a book whose author, in the introduction, writes that he doesn't stand behind a lot of it, and as he won't tell you what he does vouch for, it is all just whatever you want to make of it. This is insanity squared.
And now I see Bannon sort of apologizing? OMFG. That man needs to go off to a deserted island for a decade and totally STFU. Roy Moore, and now this? The man is exactly what Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (look him up on Wikipedia) warned against:
I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.
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And Trump needs to do some real soul searching (if he is capable of it) about what he ever saw in the man.
Wait a second, wait a second. So if I feel as though Barack Obama was not born in the United States then he wasn’t born in the United States? Is that how this works?
LOL. I knew this would happen. Althouse, in an extended series of posts, working against the narrative of "Fire and Fury." Fisking it, criticizing it, criticizing the author; all the completely-predictable reactions from a pro-Trump entertainment business.
For my part, I didn't particularly fear that, or resent it. I looked forward to it, and said so, two days (and a half-dozen "Michael Wolff" posts ago):
Chuck said...
Althouse, I actually look forward to your careful reading of, and commentary on, this book.
No doubt, you'll be looking for ways in which "the point of view of this book" is revealed by way of inaccuracies or misstatements or unwarranted presumptions. I gather that you presume that Wolff needs to give you "some concrete details" and that he will need to avoid "being too heavy handed in slathering anti-Trump interpretations all over everything."
So I will enjoy the ride with you.
In the meantime, speaking of presumptions, just look at the presumptions (and the deflections) of your Pro-Trump commentariat.
Althouse was having none of it. She fired back:
Ann Althouse said...
“careful read” ... of a 300+ page book?
I might do a careful read, displayed in a blog post of a 1,000 word column, but that can’t happen with a book. I would have to write at least 100 pages. Can’t happen.
I would do it for $5,000 if I were a writer taking assignments. But I’m not... and no one is paying me to do that.
I think a short book review, a fair and serious essay, would pay $1,000 at best, and I don’t do that anymore.
I will write only what damned well pleases me and any effort to push me to do something or portray me as obligated is going to make whatever it is feel a lot less pleasing.
Althouse, I never doubted that you would "write only what damned well pleases" you. And I see that you are doing just that. And that what pleases you, is catering to your Trumpist audience and giving them regular takedowns of Michael Wolff. And again, I am not surprised, or disappointed, or offended. I will read, with interest.
How many copies of "Fire and Fury" have been sold though the Althouse Amazon Portal? More, or less than, Corey Lewandowski's book?
One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- she must not be entrusted with any responsibility because she will always cause only mischief.
Ahem, cough cough, Hillary!
The audience is soap opera women. Of course they feel the truthiness. Nothing else, in fact.
It's women's narratives.
In other news, Elizabeth Warren feels native American, Nancy Pelosi feels like the tax cuts won't help average Americans, and Inga feels like Trump must have done something illegal.
Truth? They feel like they don't really need it.
Michael Wolff is an unserious man and he's written an unserious book.
Steven Bannon is a serious man (Navy Officer/Harvard Biz school/Goldman Sachs), who openly and fervently pushes a nationalist/populist agenda for the country.
Donald Trump is a billionaire real estate developer/reality tv star who is now the most powerful man on Planet Earth.
Who do you think wins this battle?
I believe it is possible to become so full of hate and opposition to someone or something, that your opponent can literally heal a blind person, or a person who all admit had from birth a withered hand, and you make that hand functional right in front of them, and they'll respond by accusing you of violating some law, and start a discussion of how to get rid of you.
Don't read too much into the comparison and conclude I am implying something which I am not, and which I don't believe is a valid comparison. What I am doing is applying the analytical tool of looking at extremes and drawing conclusions. The will to power, position, and wealth can become so dominant in people's souls that they literally cannot see facts that are right in front of them, and they cannot make rational and reasonable conclusions.
(But they are rational when the will to excel and rise above all others is the top priority. You see what you look at and look for.)
Feel the truth
Smell the desperation.
Read the book. See if you don't feel like you are with me on that couch in the White House. And see if you don't feel alarmed...
Althouse: "Wolff's answer was just 'I think a reader should read the book. The book speaks for itself' and that quote I put in the post title, which I thought was a very weird answer."
Funny by omitting the the word "sitting", the title quote of the post made me think of the Wolff asking his potential reader to submit to psychoanalysis, presumably by members of the Trump White House staff if not Trump himself.
"...See if you don't feel like you are with me on that couch in the White House..."
Did we establish he ever was on that couch?
How can we be with him on that couch in the White House if he was never there?
I feel “ Boomer” bigly.
The boy and girl who read Wolff. Inequitable optics.
"(But they are rational when the will to excel and rise above all others is the top priority. You see what you look at and look for.)"
Meaning, they are rational in the context of and to the person who is internally being devoured by the will to excel and rise above all others. Such people believe their observations, conclusions, and actions are entirely reasonable and rational. Even better if they believe that righteousness or salvation or goodness or the planet survival is served by them putting down the opponent.)
"What do you think of the president's fitness for office?"
The Wolff who cried Boy!
He just insisted that people read the book.
And, of course, to read the book, people gotta buy the book. If the book is true as a chemistry textbook or as much of a fable as Aesop doesn't make a damn bit of difference to how much money Wolff just made off of your purchase.
I believe it is possible to become so full of hate and opposition to someone or something, that your opponent can literally heal a blind person, or a person who all admit had from birth a withered hand, and you make that hand functional right in front of them, and they'll respond by accusing you of violating some law, and start a discussion of how to get rid of you.
"If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read: 'President Can't Swim.'" -- Lyndon B. Johnson
What exactly is Chuck demanding -- and expecting -- from Althouse?
Chuck said...
Althouse, I actually look forward to your careful reading of, and commentary on, this book. No doubt, you'll be looking for ways in which "the point of view of this book" is revealed by way of inaccuracies or misstatements or unwarranted presumptions. I gather that you presume that Wolff needs to give you "some concrete details" and that he will need to avoid "being too heavy handed in slathering anti-Trump interpretations all over everything."
So I will enjoy the ride with you.
[Later]
Althouse, I never doubted that you would "write only what damned well pleases" you. And I see that you are doing just that. And that what pleases you, is catering to your Trumpist audience and giving them regular takedowns of Michael Wolff. And again, I am not surprised, or disappointed, or offended. I will read, with interest.
Wow. Damned if she does and damn if she doesn't (in long form)?
I think Althouse should dedicate a post exclusively to Chuck so he can provide his own synopsis of the information contained in Wolff's book that we need to know/feel within his crisp bullet point comments.
Sorry for the interruption but..
Flu, don't catch it.
Back to Trump.
Tony Blair calls the portion of Wolffs book that involve him a "complete invention".
Leftists and their lifelong republican allies hardest hit.
Poor LLR Chuck.
Now even brits are calling him and his lefty allies liars!
"And, of course, to read the book, people gotta buy the book. If the book is true as a chemistry textbook or as much of a fable as Aesop doesn't make a damn bit of difference to how much money Wolff just made off of your purchase."
Exactly! "I believe in democracy, Chuck. I believe in the judgment and wisdom of the citizens of this great nation. So I believe these kinds of answers are best made by every person buying and reading this book, and then answering for themselves whether or not what I write feels true to them. And I'm willing to live with their verdict - with the verdict of the common and woman of this great land."
Chuck-Quayle: Are you willing to give refunds to anyone who buys your book and decides it is a load of crap?
"Unfortunately my publisher won't allow me to do this. I myself would certainly love to do it, but there are rather strict policies in place that I had nothing to do with, but that I have to abide by, and so, 'no." but I would add that I am no different than my fellow citizens have to abide by those same policies. I'm not allowed to give a refund, and they are not allowed to get a refund, so we are all in the same boat together, unfortunately."
The Wolff who cried Boy!
Classic! Acting! Genius! Bravo.
Chuck, you can open a blog of your own on blogger with full editing privileges.
Sculpt a post of Wolff's book with all the points you want us to know/feel, and then link to it in the Althouse comments.
I promise I will go there to read it and comment.
Problem solved.
EDH: "What exactly is Chuck demanding -- and expecting -- from Althouse?"
Easy.
To become a full-blown Maddow-level "accidental leftist" like himself.
Obviously.
chuck todd worrying about errors- LOL.
If you thought LLR and #CNNStrongDefender Chuck was going to sit back and allow anyone to criticize the shoddiness and obvious lies of his newest lefty literary hero, you were quite mistaken.
Questions about whether the book is true should be determined by readers simply feeling whether it's true.
This is how most progressive process info. With Feels.
Michael Wolff has been a "fake but true" journalist for, what, thirty years? Every "serious" journalist knows this, but can't say so, either because the subject of Wolff's book is Trump, or because it's the kind of journalism that in their heart of hearts they long to practice.
"One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- she must not be entrusted with any responsibility because she will always cause only mischief.
Ahem, cough cough, Hillary!"
She's stupid and lazy. Too lazy to follow the classification guides. Too lazy to understand what should be classified and what should not be. Too lazy to go to the classified work areas to read the classified e-mails and discuss them with her staff.
And too stupid to understand how all of the above would damage the security of the United States.
"I promise to feel the news... at you."
In modern America (contra Marx), history repeats first as farce, then tragedy.
Fuck the Left.
Its thoughts, words, and deeds.
Actually, I guess it's just farce all the way down.
Read = Buy
That NYC swell was just agog at all the money the Fake Wolff is going to make.
If only Tom Wolfe would take down the Fake Wolff. But at least we have Althouse.
Quayle said...
"How can we be with him on that couch in the White House if he was never there?"
Is this the same couch Kellyanne Conway was kneeling on in that picture? I've got to say, I'd a lot rather share it with her than with him.
Lulz!
What I "expected" from Althouse was just what I commented back on January 5; that Althouse would do an extended series of posts on the general topic of "Fire and Fury" and reactions thereto.
I didn't suggest to Althouse that she needed to do it, or that she shouldn't do it, or how she should do it. I simply expected that she would do it, of her own accord, and I said I expected to enjoy reading it. I never for a moment expected any essays or formal book reviews. I did expect Althouse to admit/claim to having read the book "carefully," but if Althouse wants to decline to have her reading categorized in that fashion, so be it.
I didn't expect the pushback from Althouse as noted above, but it's okay. I suppose that I never doubted that Althouse would write "what she damn well pleases." To that extent, I expected her to please herself with a series of Wolff/"Fire and Fury" posts.
And of course what we are getting is a series of Wolff/"Fire and Fury" posts. Which pleases Althouse, you should all understand. Because I do!
EDH: "What exactly is Chuck demanding -- and expecting -- from Althouse?"
That she should stay in the kitchen and cook his meals as directed. Chuck seems a bright guy with approximately zero understanding of people and a nasty authoritarian streak.
A Wolff in JournoListic clothing.
Genuius! Acting! Never! Always! Selectively.
It is like the people who think they personally can "feel" global warming that takes place over a century time span, or who "feel" that there is a rape epidemic on college campus' when there is not or that a man is a woman if he "feels" like he is, or any one of the dem talking points that are based totally on feelings. This also leaves the author an out for any defamation lawsuits--it wasn't meant to be factual, just is how I (the author) feel.
There was recently a lawsuit by a paper company against an environmental group which had waged a media campaign accusing this company of "destroying" the boreal forest. In the trial, the enviro group claimed that they didn't really mean it, it was just hyperbole. Right.
Maybe we should all write an anti-Trump book. How hard can it be? You can say anything negative and a bunch of money and air time will be thrown at you. I got it. I'll write a gluten-free anti-Trump book with a diet chapter, and throw in some medieval knights who write cell phone apps to fight global warming.
"Fake but Accurate" is chiseled in stone on the left.
Yes, you beat me to it.
The new phrase I've seen is "notionally accurate", which is just a new take on the old "fake but accurate" bullshit the left peddled under GWB. I guess they want to avoid using the word "fake" since Trump has successfully coopted that word with his attacks on fake news. But the meaning is the same: We're lying but we really want to believe our lies, and we really want other people to believe them too.
For anyone over 55, as Yogi Berra once said, it's deja-vu all over again.
"And too stupid to understand how all of the above would damage the security of the United States"
Or, she knew exactly what she was doing and did it to hide emails re the Clinton Global Initiative/Pay for play
What we have now is a sectarian war distinguished mostly by the emotional reactions of the combatants -- the good of the country doesn't even rank as a side issue. The reactions to this book give away the game.
Descartes didn't say, "I feel, therefore I am." He was a serious guy. There's no room for serious people in these slugfests.
I should have amended this earlier:
"Fake but Accurate" is chiseled in stone on the left as well as the lifelong-republican-left.
It felt like a complete concession that the book was fiction.
And, per the author, your feelings are true. (In this case, he's right!)
exhelodrvr1 said...
"Or, she knew exactly what she was doing and did it to hide emails re the Clinton Global Initiative/Pay for play"
Yeah, I'm having a hard time buying "Hillary Clinton is stupid and lazy". To the sorrow of many, she is smart and energetic, although not exactly diligent. It is conceivable that she just couldn't be bothered with the hassle of doing it the right way, and it does seem like her health has gone way downhill. But setting up that private server was not "lazy". Stupid, yes. She was never that kind of smart. But she was obviously planning to do something, maybe a lot of things, that she didn't want the rest of us to find out about.
"Descartes didn't say, "I feel, therefore I am." He was a serious guy. There's no room for serious people in these slugfests."
Descartes is a Dead White Euopean Male and as such the Left and the lifelong-republican-left have no further use for him.
Unexpectedly.
But Chuck, attempting to derail a comment thread into his pissing match with Althouse:
Fact.
"The 'truthiness' is, anyone can read the news to you. I promise to feel the news... at you."
Whatever our thoughts (or feelings) about Stephen Colbert, I hope we can all agree that if he really had ended that quote by emphasizing the word "you" rather than the word "at", his show would have been cancelled immediately, and he probably would have been set upon with flamethrowers on the very real suspicion that he was some kind of inhuman creature masquerading as a man.
Annie C warns: Flu, don't catch it.
I'm trying hard not to. My younger daughter has been very sick with it. She said it is the sickest she has ever been in her life. Of course she had a flu shot...didn't we all?
When you're a Clinton, they let you do anything ... Set up a secret e-mail server in a closet, and send classified documents to your aide's compulsive dick-pic texting lunatic of a husband.
The couch comment leads me to imagine Mr. Wolff in recline in his analyst's office, two characters from an old New Yorker cartoon. "Where are you now, Michael" "I'm in the White House." "And why has your mind gone there, Michael?" "Sex."
The book isn't fiction. It's therapy. It should go in the self-help section.
I think that's where Chuck found it.
Althouse -- You've been on fire today!
Fake but accurate if it feels true.
Sheesh, Trump really does make them crazy, in all the typical ways.
-sw
I love how Wolff is channeling his "inner LLLR Chuck" and claiming the hilariously hoax-dossier-content in his book is why Trump cannot succeed.....even as we come off the best year since Reagan!
LOL
It doesnt get anymore "accidently leftist"-Chucky than that!
These liberals don't understand, Trump has already been vaccinated. Trump has been immunized.
"I think a reader should read the book. The book speaks for itself"...
So he is saying it is 'Fake but accurate'!
Where have we heard that from!!!
@Chuck Please create your very own blog. Advise the AA commentariat when it is up and running and I guarantee I will comment. You could have TTR as a contributor.
And here is Don Suber.
"Waiting at the doorstep at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue was a Christmas gift sent after Christmas, "Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House," a new book by Michael Wolff.
This work of fiction would by the week's end serve three purposes for The Donald -- all of them good.
First, the book served as the final divorce papers from Steve Bannon, who was the source of much of the nasty material against the president. Conservatism needs to be done with the reckless Bannon. The loss of a senatorial seat in Alabama falls squarely on him.
Second, the book mocked Hillary. Wolff's premise is that Trump did not win but won anyway. That is an unintended rebuke of Hillary. She spent twice as much money and still lost to a man who did not want to win? Ho ho ho.
Third, the book's easily discredited claims underscore the desperation on left to end the Trump presidency. The book serves as a reminder that they have been unable to do so despite repeated (and increasingly bizarre) attempts."
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-lefts-gift-to-donald.html?spref=tw
"Stephen" is a homophone, and for that reason alone, he should be fired. Having sex with your cellphone during work hours is a no-no. The American people don't want homophobes or homophones working in the White House. I want a bumper sticker that says "Dump Trump in 2020." It's a play on the word "dump truck," so I like it for that reason.
Remember the book The Amateur: Barack Obama in the WhitehouseHouse? I think it got about three minutes of Air time when it came out, mainly to attack it as untrue, arrogant, etc.
Jupiter said...
exhelodrvr1 said...
"Or, she knew exactly what she was doing and did it to hide emails re the Clinton Global Initiative/Pay for play"
Yeah, I'm having a hard time buying "Hillary Clinton is stupid and lazy". To the sorrow of many, she is smart and energetic, although not exactly diligent. It is conceivable that she just couldn't be bothered with the hassle of doing it the right way, and it does seem like her health has gone way downhill. But setting up that private server was not "lazy". Stupid, yes. She was never that kind of smart. But she was obviously planning to do something, maybe a lot of things, that she didn't want the rest of us to find out about."
When Hillary and Comey get indicted what will our LLR and resident Lefties have to say?
After extensive reading, I feel "liberals" suck. And suck big moose schlong, too. Hey, this Argument by Feels is fun! No wonder "liberals" have relied on it for so long.
So I bought it through the Althouse portal and I'm 24% through it. It's not so bad.
Trump is definitely its idiot savant antihero..Wolff at least manages to relate Trump's appeal, and the primacy of the immigration issue, without spitting and fulminating. A true NeverTrumper could not have written this thing.
Then again, I'm not seeing this through Establishment eyes. I'm in flyover, and I'm drinking.
Trumpit: ""Stephen" is a homophone, and for that reason alone, he should be fired."
LOL
This Trumpit is clearly an online persona creation by the Trump campaign and their Macedonian henchmen meant to discredit and lampoon the lefties.
Mission Accomplished!
LLR Chuck, as always, hardest hit!
Serious Descartes’ serious error seriously disconnected thought from underlying feelings of what happen and his error rewarded Descartes’ serious ignorance of his seriously elevated dopamine levels that tend to elevate such paranormal beliefs in the exalted status of reason as Descartes in error seriously held. Damasio’s second book better than his first and his third coming to press in February - “The Strange Order of Things: Life, Feeling, and the Making of Cultures.” - and at least until dopamine plateau effects kick in, the feeling of what happens undergirds reason and Trump’s reasoned genius is in knowing the metrics for how to rope-a-dopamine.
I started watching a Netflix film, "Treasures from the Wreck of the Unbelievable." Great, I thought, I love underwater archaeology. Things didn't smell right from the beginning, treasures were too amazing, water was too clear, stuff like that, but it was presented with such earnestness that for about fifteen minutes I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Then I couldn't stand it any more and googled it. It was, of course, fake. Reviews referred to it as a "mockumentary." Well, no. "Spinal Tap", for example, contains elements in plenty which tell you it's only fooling. That's mockumentary. The intent of "Unbelievable" is clearly to deceive. If you are fooled, it's your own damn fault, you cretin. Wolff's engaged in the same kind of deception. It is a characteristic of liberalism to maintain that lying is good if your heart is pure. It isn't. Lying is just lying.
A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination..It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge.
-An 'It rings true' review of Fire and Fury
I only just noticed that you don't bother using the tag "Trump" on posts anymore unless it's "Trump X."
I suppose after a certain point, a tag gets watered down.
I'm trying to take a balanced approach. I read Hilary's book, and I'm going to read Wolff's book.
That's an interesting perception of "balanced".
"Feeling it at you" is one definition of public masturbation.
Humperdink said...@Chuck Please create your very own blog. Advise the AA commentariat when it is up and running and I guarantee I will comment. You could have TTR as a contributor.
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I doubt TTR would. But Drago will.
steve uhr: "I'm trying to take a balanced approach. I read Hilary's book, and I'm going to read Wolff's book"
LOL
I try to take a balanced approach. I examine all issues from the perspective of the far far left to the far left.
"Balanced" as in "We play both kinds of music, Country and Western!"?
tcrosse: "Wikileaks has just released it as a PDF for free. Get it while you can."
Not worth the time.
If I want anti-Trump fiction, I'll just go re-read the fake russian dossier, watch CNN or re-read all of LLR Chuck's postings.
I'm trying to take a balanced approach. I read Hilary's book, and I'm going to read Wolff's book.
Then you might wish to read Brazile's book, as well.
I snagged it from Wikileaks, but it is apparently so popular right now that a normal download of the pdf is blocked. "too many downloaders"
... I'm seeing the gears turning in the minds of the mainstream media people who want to say things but still worry about their journalistic professionalism.
They shouldn't bother worrying. They already have no credibility so they may as well keep peddling lies as truth. Those of us who have seen this show before don't expect anything different from them.
We oldsters are prepared to endure yet another Republican presidency during which the media peddles hate and hysteria, all day, everyday. Where is our safe space from the toxic environment they're creating?
Well luckily there are now alternative media sources, and we can make things bearable by tuning out the haters and tuning in those who mock the haters. And we have a president who is the mocker-in-chief, so that helps.
"Alarmed" . "Terrified" . "Scared" . "Grownups" in the United States in the year of our Lord 1987.
Alarming to see how unhinged the left is having lost the election to a non-politician who is crude and getting shit done. The more shit getting done the madder they are becoming. The crazier.
Questions about whether the book is true should be determined by readers simply feeling whether it's true.
Wait....why do you have a problem with this? haven't you said in the past that you believe in this type of thinking? That meaning comes from some form of emotional gestalt and not the objective meaning of the words?
And again, I am not surprised, or disappointed, or offended. I will read, with interest.
You can take the man out of the Establishment Elite, but you can't take the Establishment Elite out of the man.
George Clintonopolis(D-hack) asked Hicki Hailey about the book. What a sexist asshole.
Note the difference between George Clintonopolis interview with author of "Clinton Cash" and this book.
We note the difference.
"I'm trying to take a balanced approach. I read Hilary's book, and I'm going to read Wolff's book."
I take the same approach to music. I like both kinds: country and.....western.
Read Clinton Cash. Oh wait - you won't.
"I'm trying to take a balanced approach. I read Hilary's book, and I'm going to read Wolff's book."
Why not go for the hat trick and read Karl Marx?
Of course she had a flu shot...didn't we all?
Nope. Last time I got a flu shot was in 2000. Got the flu twice that year.
Each time, four days and nights flat on my back. 104 temp.
Never again.
I'll take my chances.
Conservatism needs to be done with the reckless Bannon. The loss of a senatorial seat in Alabama falls squarely on him.
I don't disagree entirely, but Mitch McConnell deserves a chunk of the blame, as well.
"Fiction is different." Not anymore.
Later in lil Chuck's "show" he alludes to the fact that there is quite a lot being accomplished in the furtherance of the policy agenda. Chucks guests can only explain that its being done not because Trump is leading the troops, but inspite of the infantile president. AM Joy looks to be worried that Trump will be the end of us all.
This all building to a crescendo to obfuscate the big reveal (IG) report.
Back in the real news territory:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/950181185379958784?p=v
If Wolfe spent all his time with Bannon, the what does Priebus say about this as Preibus and Bannon shared an office initially? I find it hard to believe that the Chief of Staff would allow a journalist that much access to his office.
I want a bumper sticker that says "Dump Trump in 2020." It’s a play on the word "dump truck," so I like it for that reason.
I am not sure you really get the whole concept of “play on words.”
Chuck,
Your relationship with Althouse sounds a bit like Wolff's relationship with Trump. Or does it just feel that way?
Other news of consequence:
www.washingtonexaminer.com/mike-pompeo-north-koreans-trying-to-come-up-for-air-as-theyre-being-strangled-by-trump/article/2645214
I think I'll join in kicking Steve Uhr around, despite his great, ironic comment.
"I'm trying to take a balanced approach. I read Hilary's book, and I'm going to read Wolff's book."
So you plan to read Art of the Deal, too?
Oh, and don't forget The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House.
So much to read, so little time. Thank goodness for Althouse!
Thanks, Night Owl, for bringing to my attention the fascinating concept of "notionally accurate." Looking it up online led me to an interesting YouTube video with Scott Adams ruminating on the phrase and the concept, and their tactical usefulness to the "liberal" Hive. Worth looking up if you have the time.
From the introduction, Wolff's full remarks about source credibility:
"Many of the accounts of what has happened in the Trump White House are in
conflict with one another; many, in Trumpian fashion, are baldly untrue. Those
conflicts, and that looseness with the truth, if not with reality itself, are an
elemental thread of the book. Sometimes I have let the players offer their
versions, in turn allowing the reader to judge them. In other instances I have,
through a consistency in accounts and through sources I have come to trust,
settled on a version of events I believe to be true.
Some of my sources spoke to me on so-called deep background, a convention
of contemporary political books that allows for a disembodied description of
events provided by an unnamed witness to them. I have also relied on off-the-
record interviews, allowing a source to provide a direct quote with the
understanding that it was not for attribution. Other sources spoke to me with the
understanding that the material in the interviews would not become public until
the book came out. Finally, some sources spoke forthrightly on the record."
I feel (hah!) I've been mislead by others partially quoting this. On its face, Wolff's position does not seem inappropriate.
As long as it's clear, in the text, when varying "versions" are being offered up for readers to "judge".
I have not read enough to say, yet...
So many folks still attempting to download it that Wikileaks' server is gagging.
I may have to go to the library after all. Sigh.
@Fred Drinkwater said...
So many folks still attempting to download it that Wikileaks' server is gagging.
I may have to go to the library after all. Sigh.
Lets not be rash, Fred. Bookmark the link and read it online at your leisure. It is not going anywhere.
Blogger Bob said...
I think I'll join in kicking Steve Uhr around, despite his great, ironic comment.
"I'm trying to take a balanced approach. I read Hilary's book, and I'm going to read Wolff's book."
So you plan to read Art of the Deal, too?
Tony Schwartz and the book publisher, by way of The New Yorker tell us that Trump didn't write a single sentence in "The Art of the Deal."
Blogger Quayle said...
"...See if you don't feel like you are with me on that couch in the White House..."
Did we establish he ever was on that couch?
How can we be with him on that couch in the White House if he was never there?
Dan - you don't mind if I call you by your first name, I hope?
From Cable News networks not named Fox, I was given to understand that the West Wing waiting area is visible from the White House Press Corps cell block, from which Wolff was observed sitting on a couch, wearing a high-privilege blue visitors pass almost every day for a long period of time.
If our choice is Oprah or that Harris woman, I will take Oprah. At least she has run something larger than a lemonade stand.
“You get a car! You get a car! You get a car!...”
Gadfly still has a bee in his bonnet that Hillary is not president. Can’t sleep nights on account of it.
You know, I literally kind of knocked on the door and said, “Can I come in?” and they said “Okay.” And I came in. I sat on the couch and that’s the point of view that I’ve written this book from.
He's just like the writer Tom Yates in House of Cards. Someone should ask him what it feels like to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.
I can't help but see the similarity of Michael Wolff as Dr. Evil in Austin Powers movies.
Defenders of Wolff sound remarkably like defenders of Dan Rather: "Well maybe it isn't true, but it could have been true, and if it could have been true then it may as well be true ..."
In the words Masha Gessen writing in New Yorker Magazine, "The President of the United States is a deranged liar who surrounds himself with sycophants. He is also functionally illiterate and intellectually unsound. He is manifestly unfit for the job." To Gessen, "the Trump Presidency remains unimaginable."
So if Wolff maybe got a few (or maybe more than a few) details wrong, well, if the book confirms everything you've already convinced yourself you know about the Trump presidency, then how could it be (in its essence if not its actual details) be considered less than true?
Or something.
gadfly said, "Tony Schwartz and the book publisher, by way of The New Yorker tell us that Trump didn't write a single sentence in The Art of the Deal."
I'm sure he made a deal with someone to do the actual writing.
@William Chadwick
You're very welcome. And yes, thank you, I did see that video.
His take, as always, is unique and interesting. I agree with him that the media may think they have a powerful tool by embracing the idea of "notionally accurate" to counter Trump, but unfortunately for them this tactic makes even the "respectable" media outlets become no more credible than tabloid rags. Their ratings may go up but their impact goes way down. Due to the internet, their days of swaying public opinion and deciding what is news are already gone. A decision to embrace fake news just accelerates their declining influence.
But I think the so-called mainstream media may believe they have no choice but to continue peddling hate and hysteria. Due to their non-stop, anti-Trump, "Russia Russia Russia" rhetoric, the media have done such a good job at stirring up their left-leaning viewers that if they try to dial it down now they risk losing their remaining audience.
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