I'd say the real victim here is Van Jones.
The real winner: Donald Trump (because he's got his haters carrying his message about low black unemployment).
January 28, 2018
A "fake news" conundrum.
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I'd say the real victim here is Van Jones.
The real winner: Donald Trump (because he's got his haters carrying his message about low black unemployment).
I'd say the real victim here is Van Jones.
The real winner: Donald Trump (because he's got his haters carrying his message about low black unemployment).
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Master Persuader strikes again! (in the middle of Win Bigly)
Black employment has risen. That's a fact. And it's a good thing. And illegal Mexican immigrants are a direct economic threat to black workers in blue collar jobs. That's also a fact.
Trump doesn't have to watch CNN to learn that someone on that channel said something. So, there's no contradiction in his responding to what was said on CNN with his prior statement that he doesn't watch CNN.
He knows that when he said he didn't watch CNN that whenever he referred to something on CNN it would be amplified.
A Gotcha moment. Trump was watching CNN report that black unemployment is down.
The misinformed U.N. has compiled a disappointing and hurtful list of shithole countries populated by beautiful people, reproduced here in Wikipedia.
Here's what interests me. When Trump criticizes CNN, the political science professoriate says it's an attack on the free press. But when Obama constantly criticized Fox News, none of those professors regarded it as an attack on the free press. It's almost as if there's a double standard at work.
Back to my hobby horse. I really think Trump could be a serious threat to the Dems hold on the black vote.
Blacks are in the most competition for jobs with the illegal immigrants. There is real animosity between the two races.
Many black males appreciate Trump's swagger and confidence.
Trump needs to get out into the black churches and communities and ask for their support.
If he pulls off just a few percent of the black vote, the Dems are dead.
s. It's almost as if there's a double standard at work"
There's way more than two! Their standards contain multitudes!
I always thought that his running mate should have been Don King!
I'd say the real victim...
"Victim?"
Jesus, Lady. Get a grip.
This is just more trivial gibberish that means nothing. And yet to see some need for an apocalyptic war in who said what about black unemployment or watching a cable show.
What's next? The Cheerios War of 1897? Were they really made or not made of toasted oats? Lives will hang in the balance! Victimization galore!
Enough with the drama. I realize that having an emotionally challenged president is like a lightning rod for what attracts this blog's attention but some of realized just how imminently un-newsworthy anything related to his capricious emotional tantrums was at least a year ago. You might as well report on how a pre-mentstrual woman in Iowa last week won her war with her husband and made him the real victim of the Cataclysmic Chore Argument of Garage Cleaning Effort 2018.
Get. A. Grip. Trump is trivial. Small ideas from a man with a small mind - or at least a mind made small by a headspace crowded out by interminable ego needs. It's all just personal bullshit and drama - things that most of us lose interest in by middle adulthood. The Real Househusband of Pennsylvania Avenue is no longer a ratings-getter to those of us interested in substance and issues.
If anyone needs to be victimized, it's Van Jones.
TFW you make a comment immediately after one that refutes it @Derek Kite and @DKWalser.
What Bill, Republic of Texas said. Dems seem not to understand this dynamic. Or don’t want to.
The attention and focus on exactly how much CNN Resident Trump does or does not watch and the sense of personal vendetta he invests in this issue shows just how unimportant our status as a nation has become.
A Game Show Host President. Like Caesar Flickerman from Hunger Games. But with orange hair instead of blue. But just as meticulously attended to.
The inspiration for whomever decided to get this goon Trump guy elected president.
And yet, TTR, the country is doing great.
Trump loves all.
CNN is racist.
Trump doesn't have to watch CNN to learn that someone on that channel said something.
The real loser is Chris Cillizza who doesn't seem, or pretends not, to know this.
More lying lies from the liar Trump!
Cillizza catches him in the lie, proving once again that the lying liar can't help by lie every time he opens his mouth.
This also confirms Trump's was lying about saying shithole, bolstering Dick Durbin's credibility into the stratosphere.
Because anyone who says Trump lies instantly sounds more credible, no matter what they're saying.
Also, Scalia and Lawrence.
/Chuck
And yet, TTR, the country is doing great.
It was doing great in the 20s and for most of W's term as well.
There are amazingly narcotic short-term benefits to neglect.
The party's always going great until it's time to clean up all the vomit and trash and corpses broken glass etc., etc., etc.
That's when the country realizes that only a progressive has the maturity to do what was needed all along.
I think Bill Maher had a funny joke about how Republican administrations are like frat parties until the house is condemned and the cats that moved in and pissed all over the place are finally convicted.
Republicans make lovely messes that they leave for others to clean up.
The real winner: Donald Trump (because he's got his haters carrying his message about low black unemployment).
In practical terms, DT needs people to vote for him or vote for Republicans who wouldn't, otherwise. The "win" isn't getting those who already approve to to clap.
It's only a win if he moves the dial.
My take: DT is not going to move the dial by fighting on twitter with another black guy. People who are turned off by him are turned off by fights on twitter with random celebrities.
Independents/ Moderates/ alienated Republican suburban women aren't going to be convinced by yet another twitter fight.
Speaking of, Jay-Z will be on TV tonight (Grammies). He’s in the running for the “Most Times “nigga” is used in a One Song” award. Song “Humble” is a lock. Living the street. It's all good.
“Independents/ Moderates/ alienated Republican suburban women aren't going to be convinced by yet another twitter fight.”
Exactly right.
My bad, The Story Of Oj lyrics.
Chris Cillizza seems to be another one of those people in journalism who thinks he is smart, but then publicly reveals he is not. The only other explanation is he knows it didn't mean Trump watches CNN, but thinks so little of his followers that he decides they will believe his tweet is some sort of "Gotcha". In either scenario, Cillizza makes a fool of himself, and in the second a fool of his supporters.
Scott Adams gets a kick out of how they (his haters) fall for Trump's trolling every single time.
TTR said...
Get. A. Grip.
You should take your own advice.
Trump's policies are doing amazing things for the working class. Demand for labor is increasing and this is driving wages up as well as employing more people.
High taxes and welfare just doesn't work.
Cillizza is sort of a sad sack. Not funny, but tries to be. No objective, but pretends to be. Not smart, but tries to come across as so. The most that can be said for him is that he produces work product and occasionally provides information of interest.
Ann is exactly right that Trump either instinctively or intentionally knows that MSM repeating his statements (even with criticism or claiming they are lies) serves his purpose of publicizing his statement. This is perfect example.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Republicans make lovely messes that they leave for others to clean up.
Explain, with words, what policies Bush put in place that led to the 2008 crash.
I know you can't.
But maybe the effort will force you back to lucidity.
In the Jay-Z interview, he says that Donald Sterling should not have had the Clippers taken away from his for his private racist comments, and that doing things like that creates racist superbugs. That’s not being noticed in his calling Donald Trump a superbug.
Hmm.
1992-2000 was a Democratic administration, which saw a massive bubble grow. Which was already bursting by the time a Republican admin came in.
The bubble mode of economic policy has many fathers, but if you want some major players, you could have a look into Rubin, Summers and Geithner. Subprime securitization was a Rubin thing, and along with the rest of his peers at Citigroup was likely culpable for a very great deal of the subprime expansion. IIRC, though there were no real criminal investigations into the subprime collapse (and why was that?), there was a DOJ inquiry, and the first target was Rubin.
I suspect they knew, after a few years, that they had created a monster but could not stop it.
Through Democrat administrations and Republican administrations conventional politics has brought black people two things: welfare and crime. Trump brought them jobs. The jobs don’t happen without Trump and GOP control of both houses of Congress. Not every black person will learn the lesson, but many will.
The period was very interesting in other ways.
The public-private collusion in finance was firmly established then, which certainly was a factor in turning Wall Street into a Democratic party stronghold. Robert Rubin has been credited for this, but no doubt it was a cabal.
The end result was that you had people like Franklin Raines of FNMA (a Clinton appointee) facilitating subprime securitization for the likes of Robert Rubin at Citygroup.
The end result was that you had people like Franklin Raines of FNMA (a Clinton appointee) facilitating subprime securitization for the likes of Robert Rubin at Citygroup.
Gorelick.
Johnson.
Many others. All democrats.
They knew they had created a monster. They just didn't care. Soros made his money the same way.
“Independents/ Moderates/ alienated Republican suburban women aren't going to be convinced by yet another twitter fight.”
You missed the point. The Twitter fight is meaningless, just the usual social media flatulence. Getting the fact of lower Black unemployment out there, past the MSM gatekeepers, is the real goal. And the goal is met.
Explain, with words, what policies Bush put in place that led to the 2008 crash.
Tax cuts and cuts in welfare.
Eight years the guy gets to figure out that his "boom" is a housing bubble and apparently that's not enough time for you.
Oh well. If a whole winter, spring and summer weren't enough time to stop 9/11 from happening, even after memo "bin Laden determined to attack in U.S." then it's obvious you're just following the typical directive of IOKIYAR.
Shit. You should get pedophiles to register as Republicans. Then you'll blame their crimes on Democrats. That's how responsibility works, in your view. "Your Honor, he was a Republican! There's no way he could be responsible!"
Funny stuff, your relationship to partisanship.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
"Explain, with words, what policies Bush put in place that led to the 2008 crash."
Tax cuts and cuts in welfare.
Explain, with words, how this crashed the economy.
Eight years the guy gets to figure out that his "boom" is a housing bubble and apparently that's not enough time for you.
Rove responded, “Well, there was concern about it, particularly in the housing area, we were briefed as far back as 2001 about the problems with Fannie and Freddie; in fact, we moved aggressively in 2004 to regulate Fannie and Freddie, actually got a bill through the Senate Banking and Finance Committee only to have it filibustered by [Sen.] Chris Dodd.”
Rove said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac “accelerated their imprudent behavior after we attempted to regulate them. They bought almost as much mortgage debt from 2005 through 2008” as they bought in their first 30 years of their existence.
A Google search brings up the following Sept. 11, 2003 New York Times article, which shows the Bush administration was aware of potential lending problems and did try to do something about it:
"The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry."
There is a lot more. Democrats supported policies that caused the 2008 crash. Period.
This is too easy.
"The real winner: Donald Trump (because he's got his haters carrying his message about low black unemployment)."
Er.....white privilege much?
Presumably if Althouse really focusses, she can think of who is the real winner re black folks doing well.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Funny stuff, your relationship to partisanship.
My relation is to policy. You know I hate the republicans in DC who say they support policy and undermine it every chance they get.
If you look at your post you would realize you were looking in a mirror when you launched off into that screed.
Ach,
I don't know if yur telling lies, or your just ignorant re reality.
Data:
www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24504598.html
Ach,
Countrywide, IndyMac WaMu all regulator-shopped to get the best W appointees for their oversight.
Sheesh.
Trump's policies are doing amazing things for the working class. Demand for labor is increasing and this is driving wages up as well as employing more people.
If true and sustained that could/would accrue to Trump's benefit. I never said he wouldn't do anything for the working class.
High taxes and welfare just doesn't work.
American history 1945 - 1980 disagrees with you. Especially if you're talking about the working class. Things were never better for them.
You might as well say that unions are bad for labor.
There is a lot more. Democrats supported policies that caused the 2008 crash. Period.
It wasn't just housing policies. It was Wall Street deregulation - cheered by Republicans and championed by the Republican Dick Morris-advised conservative Democrat Bill Clinton. Like every major "political" accomplishment of his - NAFTA, DOMA, crime bill, Welfare "reform", repeal of Glass-Steagall - these were right-wing projects that he sponsored as part of his well known "triangulation" strategy to appeal to right-wing cross-over votes. Everyone knows this. Other than for crackpot Pat Buchanan, the opponents of NAFTA weren't coming from the right, or the Wall Street group leading them through the Reagan years and at every point up to 2016. Alex P. Keaton was made a Republican for a reason. Republicans think money is more important than people.
Under Trump, the CFPB is being dismantled - along with every other regular Main Street protection. He's ushering through a Wall Street without laws - much like occurred throughout Clinton's DLC 90s and Bush's 2000s. His nativism might give him some traction with the Main Street crowd - we'll see how much. But he definitely thinks that Wall Street should operate by whatever rules it wants to and we'll see if that works out better than it did in 2008.
TTR: "Under Trump, the CFPB is being dismantled - along with every other regular Main Street protection."
The CFPB is another in a long line of dem/govt money laundering schemes designed to reward lefty constituencies that is being exposed and shut down.
I can understamd why that upsets many on the left.
High taxes and welfare just doesn't work.
How much lower a tax rate do Trump (or Warren Buffet) pay than their secretaries are forced to pay, you dingleberry?
For that matter, for how many years is Trump going to be too scared to let the public know what he's hiding on his tax returns?
How many contractors did he not pay?
Finally, if you hate welfare then feel free to sign over to me your social security earnings. I'll take them!
Also let me know which private insurance company will be incentivized to cover you as a newly enrolled 65-year old.
I already know you think it will be great to let impoverished American children and their parents die without Medicaid, but let's get the welfare that you yourself are paying into and will need to draw upon when you're no longer a young, stoned-out-of-your-mind nutraceuticals salesperson who thinks the answer to America's health care problems consists of more HGH and botanicals.
The CFPB is another in a long line of dem/govt money laundering schemes designed to reward lefty constituencies that is being exposed and shut down.
I can understamd why that upsets many on the left.
It stands for consumer financial protection bureau - because after 2008 it seemed that if regular Americans were going to be invested by their employers in an over leveraged Wall Street relying on risky investment schemes, then more safeguards for these products and responsibility on the part of the companies issuing them was only reasonable.
I can understand why that upsets many on the right. The right thinks money is more important than people.
If you think less rate and ratings transparency for credit companies is a good thing - just say so. So you can let everyone know that you think credit companies are more important than their customers.
It doesn't take much talent to throw around your rhetoric - designed as it is to totally obscure the workings of Wall Street (or any other Trump cabinet constituency) that you think should be protected from responsibility for how it lies and preys on the public.
I can understamd why that upsets many on the left.
Just get to the point. Exactly how little regulation would you like of Wall Street and how defanged do you think the SEC should be in prosecuting its crimes?
Just don't tell your friend Achilles that those resources are being shunted to the only thing that the Trump Residency and Foghorn Leghorn Jefferson Sessions thinks is worth doing any more - building a wall and busting entrepreneurs in CO and up to nearly a dozen other states for having the audacity to know that weed is not dangerous and probably worth building a business out of.
Yes, we really need the DEA acting on the instruction of a Confederate cracker who sends paramilitary troopers in to bust in doors and windows and shoot pets and owners over a substance that never killed anyone and actually decreases the deaths caused by the prescription opioid overdose epidemic in states that had the sense to figure that out.
This is emblematic of the Trump Residency. Combine enough ignorance with enough outrage over the fact that some people enjoy and profit off of things that those two weirdos are two uptight to let others enjoy and benefit from and the result is the current DOJ. The Saudi Arabians would be proud.
As are the telecoms. I'm so glad Trump's FCC figured out that the one problem with the internet was how little control the giant telecoms had over regulating their customers' content and download speeds depending on whether the site was one paying off the telecom or not.
Corruption defined.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
There is a lot more. Democrats supported policies that caused the 2008 crash. Period.
It wasn't just housing policies. It was Wall Street deregulation - cheered by Republicans and championed by the Republican Dick Morris-advised conservative Democrat Bill Clinton.
We have gone over this. To the extent there were two parties in DC before Trump it was superficial at best. Bushes might have been president around Clinton and W might have known about the impending collapse but he was advised not to push the fanny freddy reform too hard by his "republican" "advisers." In the end he was a cowardly sell out at best.
The 2008 collapse was caused by government interference. It was a corporatist dream and many corporatists got rich. Then got bailed out.
The entire thing was a scam on the productive private economy by a hoard of rent seekers and functionaries that could only be carried out using government regulatory power.
Rats - if only we had elected Hillary.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Just get to the point. Exactly how little regulation would you like of Wall Street and how defanged do you think the SEC should be in prosecuting its crimes?
I think the SEC should be forced to investigate only large interstate banks and should be given carte blanche. The giant banks should be forced to complete transparency. Our economy would be better with smaller banks.
The CFPB was specifically designed to drive small banks out of business and force consolidation in the banking industry. Obama oversaw a massive consolidation of the banking industry by design. They gave him record amounts of cash after all.
Just don't tell your friend Achilles that those resources are being shunted to the only thing that the Trump Residency and Foghorn Leghorn Jefferson Sessions thinks is worth doing any more - building a wall and busting entrepreneurs in CO and up to nearly a dozen other states for having the audacity to know that weed is not dangerous and probably worth building a business out of.
Sessions is a total and complete failure. A waste of Oxygen. He is one of the biggest problems in DC right now in terms of incompetence.
Need Obama term #3
TTR: "Just get to the point."
I already did. But lets try again.
I want as much of the money laundering/KStreet representation of foreign interests/generally suckling at the govt teet by both parties (the washington uniparty) blasted away.
You know you do too.
To the extent there were two parties in DC before Trump it was superficial at best.
Maybe so but Clinton's DLC push to the right on Wall Street couldn't have happened if the Reaganites hadn't led them there first. The right's natural inclination is to favor business interests over welfare and while the local COCs might have liked the 1980s and what came after Wall Street did even more.
The 2008 collapse was caused by government interference.
So the repeal of Glass-Steagall played no role? None at all?
That's funny because after the Depression-era regulations an interesting thing happened: We stopped having depressions - which were commonplace beforehand. As well as great recessions. Until they were repealed. That comes as close as history has to a controlled experiment. But I guess that's a lesson that's better left unlearned?
I think the SEC should be forced to investigate only large interstate banks and should be given carte blanche.
I like this idea.
The giant banks should be forced to complete transparency.
This one, too.
Our economy would be better with smaller banks.
Agreed. And more credit unions.
The CFPB was specifically designed to drive small banks out of business and force consolidation in the banking industry.
How? After the crash there was a huge push for small banks. They had awesome publicity. I opened up a credit union account.
Sessions is a total and complete failure.
We agree on a hell of a lot more than I thought, my friend. Let's start a third party.
Number of small local banks will continue to decrease as they have for the past several years. Compliance costs proportionally higher than big outfits. Economy of scale.
American history 1945 - 1980 disagrees with you. Especially if you're talking about the working class. Things were never better for them.
And of course our success those years had nothing to do with the fact that our competitors were all rebuilding after W.W. II.
And of course our success those years had nothing to do with the fact that our competitors were all rebuilding after W.W. II.
Ok, so we get to have regulations in place that keep the economy from going into depression after W.W.II. but that's it!
Keynesian economics will now have to be called "post-WWII economics."
How many depressions did "our competitors" in Western Europe or Japan experience after WWII?
How grateful we should be that the country had the sense to vote left wing in 1932 anyway. If the right had to fight WWII they would have invaded the wrong countries, run up tabs for a few trillions in unpaid debt, asked for no sacrifice of the country but to go shopping and prolonged the fighting by a few decades. AND had another depression before the fighting even ended!
Thanks for the laugh!
High taxes and welfare just doesn't work.
American history 1945 - 1980 disagrees with you. Especially if you're talking about the working class. Things were never better for them.
You might as well say that unions are bad for labor.
1/28/18, 2:15 PM
Ritmo, you know how you jump up and down about, say, arsenic in the water, and I remind you of the adage of Paracelsus, the dose makes the poison, and then you shut up for a while cuz you know I'm right? The dose of unions, the dose of welfare, the dose of feminism, makes the poison.
150 years ago when brakemen were getting smashed between train cars and the widow didn't get a penny from Cornelius Vanderbilt, you needed some of what unions offered. On the other hand, you didn't need flagmen to walk before and behind every automobile, as was early proposed to deal with the menace of the horseless carriage.
The guys building the subways in 1900 needed decompression chambers and ventilation and reliefs. The guys building the Second Avenue Subway now don't need to be featherbedding and work-ruling and costing two or five times what it costs to dig a tunnel in PARIS for Gossakes.
The workingman needs to be treated like a man. He doesn't need, and society can't afford, to be treated like a lord of the freaking manor.
Likewise on feminism. She don't need to be walking three paces behind me, she don't need to be walking three paces in front of me.
There is such a thing as measure.
FDR got us deeper into the mess. His problem was he didn't know nothing:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010281
How FDR Set The Price Of Gold
PrestoPundit
11 years ago
Amity Shlaes explains why FDR was bad for the U.S. economy — including this incredible story:
At some points Roosevelt seemed to understand the need to counter deflation. But his method for doing so generated a whole new set of uncertainties. Roosevelt personally experimented with the currency — one day, in bed, he raised the gold price by 21 cents. When Henry Morgenthau, who would shortly become Treasury Secretary, asked him why, Roosevelt said that “its a lucky number, because its three times seven.” Morgenthau wrote later: “If anybody ever knew how we set the gold price through a combination of lucky numbers, etc., I think they would be frightened.”
In the end Hitler was the match that lit the fuse of American industry and launched the American economy into space. It was within us all the time, FDR was just the moron in position to take all the credit.
My beef with Bill Clinton is not the distasteful personal stuff, although you should mind that because it led directly to the possibility of a Trump, nor what he did with the economy, which was all hollow. Where I really get off is how he derailed foreign policy. Do you not understand or do you not care to admit that the wages of his sin was, among other things, 9/11? Also did a lot to net weaken us vis-a-vis Russia and China.
If you just had to have a Bill Clinton type in office, it would have been better after two terms of G H W Bush. That would have set us on a glide path to world stability. Clinton f*** that all up so badly. A Russian mole could not have done worse. Well, Obama did worse, but I'm not saying he was a Russian mole either.
I just wish you could recognize and admit that the election of Hillary Clinton would have been tantamount to the very death of the Republic.
Thanks for the laugh!
It was probably the lithium.
Bank Merger activity after the crash.
The decline in the total number of banks has been constant. There was a temporary spike of failures, mostly small banks, in 2009 and 2010. But even in those years they were lower than acquisitions/mergers.
Profitability in banking has gone down overall due to regulation. Regulation costs are generally fixed i.e. it costs small banks almost as much to comply as large banks.
This is driving consolidation.
Small banks need to be freed from the federal government. It is purposely killing them as a favor to one of it's largest donor groups. Let the bureaucrats eat the large banks. At least keep them from doing damage.
The local branch bank in my little city closed about 2 years ago. It was simply because there weren't enough customers coming through the door anymore. Most people now have their income direct deposited at the main bank. Add debit cards and the ATM, which is open 24 hours a day for this change in banking behavior.
Re Trump's enemies repeating his claims
This was, I think, a problem Hillary had in reverse specifically regarding her emails. Every exquisitely crafted explainer on how what she had done was completely legitimate was really just preaching to the choir. What everybody else heard was "blah blah sent emails from blah blah not secure government system". This was most obvious in Comey's speech. Nobody thinks a cop is going to explain how a crime *wasn't* committed.
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