So I went straight to CNN — which I still imagined was the right place to encounter the live news — and there was some over-made-up lady teasing a story about how President Trump, according to The New York Times, watches TV for 4 hours a day.
The NYT story about Trump watching TV appeared on the NYT website on Saturday, and I blogged it at 7 a.m, yesterday. So much for switching on the TV to get the news of what's happening right now!
Ironically, that NYT story about Trump watching TV says that the first thing he does in the morning is turn on CNN, which is where he goes "for news." So if he did that this morning, he turned on the TV for news and got news of him turning on the TV for news, but that news was 2 days old, and it wasn't news that he needed any news at all to know.
Imagine turning on the TV and getting the news that you watch TV. And it isn't news, not just because you're already in the know about the fact that you're watching TV, but it's from 2 days ago.
But back to the real news, the explosion in the NY subway.
And why doesn't CNN have someone on the scene covering it? Maybe it does, but it wasn't the first thing I saw when I turned on the news, and I was completely disgusted by what was getting palmed off as new news — and it was only a teaser that they were going to give this old news later — so I turned it off.
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Trump looks as CNN for the same reason as Tank; monitoring the enemy.
It was just another Muzzie going for the 72 virgins.
The internet is where I go for instant news.
Terror in NYC.
Corruption at the FBI
British newspaper sites are also better at US news.
Yeah CNN is no longer as good at its bread-and-butter reporting. They finally have someone on the street in NY, but they are hardly ever in the war zones, they haven't done much coverage of the fires in So Cal. They didn't go to the London fire. If it isn't Trump, they don't want to cover it.
If the Vegas shooter was a leftist, memory hole.
If this attempted bombing was the work of an Islamic Supremacist - memory hole. Back to you in the studio, Chuck. What do we have today that makes Trump look like he stole the election from poor Hillary?
Old habits die hard. On occasion I still turn on CNBC as if it still offered financial news.
People turn on CNN in the morning because they haven't had a therapeutic whack at Trump since they turned off Colbert the night before.
FOX News has been on it all morning, not that there's a lot to report.
So far:
1. Failed pipe bomb [exploded prior to subway train arrival].
2. Suspect only one injured. In stable condition.
3. ISIS-inspired. Suspect has been in US seven years. [from Bangladesh?]
4. Most transportation has been resumed.
mockturtle wrote of the (mercifully) failed attack:
"3. ISIS-inspired. Suspect has been in US seven years. [from Bangladesh?]
4. Most transportation has been resumed."
No wonder CNN prefers to focus on Trump's TV watching..
LalalaTrumpbadTrumpbadTrumpbadlalala...I can't hear you...
How well I remember on 9/11, after my daughter phoned to tell me of the first plane crashing into the WTC, turning the TV on to CNN and finding Fashion with Elsa Klensch. Found coverage on NBC or MSNBC.
British newspaper sites are also better at US news.
Yes they are, Michael K. I prefer The Telegraph.
From The Telegraph
NY Bombing Attempt
Ann, just as an experiment, check CNN's coverage decisions against this question: "Does it make Trump look bad?"
Let us know what your results are.
CNN is trying to make Trump look bad by claiming he watches CNN.
"How well I remember on 9/11, after my daughter phoned to tell me of the first plane crashing into the WTC, turning the TV on to CNN and finding Fashion with Elsa Klensch. Found coverage on NBC or MSNBC."
That's terrible, but it makes me think also: I miss Elsa Clench! (I spelled the name right and got autocorrected, but I'm leaving it.)
Obama used to love to watch ESPN. And all those "hip" shows like Game of Thrones. But heaven forbid that Trump watches the news regularly.
FNC was on it right away. Of course, they are only about ten blocks from the site of the explosion. Though I would think that CNN has crews in New York. Anyway, the point of running the "Trump is an idiot" stories is to reassure themselves. They confuse intelligence with virtue and therefore anyone that disagrees with them is a "bad person." If Trump is just as smart, or even worse smarter, than they are then that would, by their logic, mean they are "bad people." Since the "journalists" are all dumb rich kids who couldn't get into law school and Trump is an incredibly successful entrepreneur in several different notoriously cut throat fields the chances of the journalists being anywhere near his league IQ wise is nought. Deep down they know this, which is why they hate him.
NYT coverage should be respectable considering their offices are across the street from the Port Authority Bus Depot.
The news team would always talk over the astronauts so as to make it woman friendly. That spurred a seething hatred for the news media that has not diminished.
But they still have their women viewers.
And yup, the bomber was Bangladeshi. #1 religion of Bangladesh? Islam.
Althouse if you want televised news CNN is not the go to place. Propaganda, yes. News, no.
I've turned CNN at various times in the last two month, and they weren't covering any of the days news either, just rehashing come Trump-Russia news or some fake scandal. It was always either rumor or speculation.
Oddly, MSNBC has been better at not being a 24/7 anti-Trump attack dog.
And of course, Bob Menendez gets almost zero coverage.
CNN is trying to make Trump look bad by claiming he watches CNN.
Their just not that bright. Hiring and promotion are all based on ideological conformity.
On the other hand, I don't know if those of us who support Trump really understand how the other side perceives him. Yesterday evening I met up with some friends for some beer and football. One of the guys brought a "humor newspaper" to be checked out. I glanced through it and the cartoons were all about Trump and his cabinet being racist and Trump being an idiot who would sell out humanity for a few golden statues of himself. One thing that struck me was the anger at Trump voters. The cartoons made it clear that voting for Trump was reprehensible and that anyone that did so should be ashamed.
You get the same feeling about Roy Moore. To a lot of people politics is not how people try to negotiate how to live together and divide resources in an equitable manner, it is a holy crusade to create utopia, and we all know how that always works out. Politics is about personal salvation to some people. I remember a few weeks ago reading about a rich gay man who was financing a lot of the attempts to punish Christians who don't want to back cakes for weddings and so on. He said he wanted to punish the wicked. Punish the wicked is a direct quote. That is not going to end well. I thought we were supposed to be getting away from using the government to punish people for their supposed moral failings. Wasn't that what secularism was supposed to be about? The left is filled with people who in an earlier age would have been the "Church Lady" that Dana Carvey used to lampoon.
How well I remember on 9/11...
I was watching the Fox News morning show (back when I watched TV, almost ancient history...) or precisely the show was droning in the background as I did other things. Then there was a report of a plane crash involving the WTC, which drew my attention. The Fox morning crew were backed by a green-screen shot of the Towers, one of which streamed a horizontal column of black smoke. The talkers were speculating on the type of aircraft involved with no suggestion of terrorism when the other tower was hit live on camera.
That's what I call news coverage — extinct now, and replaced with Instaspin. ™️
Now, now Curious George, there certainly are Christians in Bangladesh, probably even evangelical Christians. And until we ascertain the whereabouts of all eight of them we should not jump to any conclusions.
Are they now reporting he is alive ? The video showed him looking pretty dead.
Bomb vests usually hit the vitals.
"I was completely disgusted by what was getting palmed off as new news." Face it, there are many more Ingas than Althouses. They eat it up. Catering to Ingas is the MSM business model.
We do not live in an Althousian world.
CNN would have a reportette on the scene if the Bangladeshie was a sexual harassing republican. Otherwise, no chance.
"Michael K said...
Are they now reporting he is alive ? The video showed him looking pretty dead.
Bomb vests usually hit the vitals."
Alive. A not so smart bomb.
I should also point out that the cartoons were not funny in any way. They were lectures on the moral failings of Trump and his supporters. The amazing thing to me is how bad the comedy relating to Trump is. The guy should be a goldmine, what I have seen so far just feels flat.
The NYT is delayed because they haven't figured out how to blame Trump for it. No doubt Mueller has his agents there even as we speak.
I would wager that the finances in the business are so tight now that on-scene reporting is not funded well any longer- the crew to cover it is assigned a territory that is so large it takes at least an hour or two to get to.
Ann says
I rarely switch out of print media to watch the news on TV, but there are some events that have a live quality that makes me think I should be watching television
...
Yes, I never watch TV. In fact, as surrounded as I am by the best and most expensive toys technology can offer, I spare no expense, but I don’t own a TV. The last time I watched it at a friends house, there were product commercials that felt like an amateur sales insult and a violation of my time. But there’s the live thing, as you say. I think I’ll try one for the first time in 25 years. I watched the US election with a friend and we had a bank of iPads lined up like Houston mission control, but no TV.
“CNN only runs with stuff that Inga finger bangs herself to sleep by."
“Because we're in The Reckoning, I will make the effort to say ugh.”
What truly nasty vulgar people Althouse commenters have become, all I can say is ugh.
To Althouse, you should’ve turned on MSNBC, they had coverage immediatly.
As I understand it, he was wearing a detonation vest as well as the pipe bomb he intended to plant. The bomb was prematurely--and only partially--detonated.
ISIS will probably not want to take credit for this pathetic failure.
Althouse is hilarious this morning.
The circular paragraph about Trump turning on CNN to get the news and the news is that Trump watches TV to get the news, which isn't news at all...made me literally LOL. Irony indeed.
The only news we watch or more correctly listen to in the morning is Fox Business News; while we are reading the news on the internet and drinking covfefe at the same time
Tokyo Titty Twister will be by shortly to defend CNN and blame the bombing on Trump.
Watch FOX!
Althouse has forgotten the difference between urgent and important. Bombings and killings happening right now might be urgent, but what’s important is all that is wrong with Trump. The smoke will clear, the rubble will be cleared, the dead will be buried — but at the end Trump will still be tweeting about fake news and athletes!
Obama used to love to watch ESPN.
Recall his reference to the Nittaly Lions. He was not much of a sports fan, that was just his effort to make the commoners think he was like them.
I think the reason the comedy regarding Trump is so bad is that it is because they try to portray his as a buffoon, and clearly he is not. You need to poke fun at traits that the subject actually possesses.
Here is a Phil Hartman clip where he portrays Trump as smart and ruthless, which everyone knew he was back in the 80s. It is hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1gC912LUq0
Compare that to Alec Baldwin's attempts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9wMNxbQM-4
That's not comedy so much as catharsis.
Guess I will stop being OT now.
Yes, this -- as well as the post about the NYT story with the 60 sources -- is an excellent example of Ann's air of outraged incredulity. I imagine Ann smacking her forehead in frustration: what the HECK is going ON?
By the way it looks like the president was also watching CNN this morning. Though he hasn't said anything about the port authority bombing, he was tweeting about the TV-watching NYT story at about 9:15 this morning. Hadn't he seen that story on Saturday? Perhaps this is just another example of the president's great sense of humor.
We see that the London papers/websites do hard hitting news on crazy Trump America, but no word escapes their lips about crazy England's Asians ramping up on their constant attack level. It would be a Crime to tell that truth. Meanwhile no pro Trump word escapes the lips of CNN etal. It must be a crime to speak well of Trump at CIA owned CNN.
Ron W. wrote:
"They(CNN) confuse intelligence with virtue and therefore anyone that disagrees with them is a "bad person." If Trump is just as smart, or even worse smarter, than they are then that would, by their logic, mean they are "bad people."
They also confuse intelligence with glibness, which is one reason they hailed Obama as brilliant - because he was able to rattle off PC pieties with dexterity, like a pre-Vatican II Catholic schoolgirl getting high marks from the nuns for memorizing the Baltimore Catechism. They also loved Billy Jeff for his smooth snake oil salesman delivery.
There are times when I grow weary of Trump's brand of hyperbole and his repetitions, but I never thought he lacked intelligence.
Blogger Ken B said...
but what’s important is all that is wrong with Trump. The smoke will clear, the rubble will be cleared, the dead will be buried — but at the end Trump will still be tweeting about fake news and athletes!
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Amazing, the intellectual strata of human thinking. You wouldn’t think we’re all the same species.
Even the Daily Mail's US coverage is superior to that of most American media.
If CNN reports the news accurately, it would show that President Trump's policies/desired policies are the correct ones. And they don't want to do that!!!
FIDO said...
The NYT is delayed because they haven't figured out how to blame Trump for it. No doubt Mueller has his agents there even as we speak.
The media is still on standby until they know how CNN is going to spin last accidental revealing of their own corruption trying to argue Trump knew about the Wikileaks disclosures in advance.
"Yeah CNN is no longer as good at its bread-and-butter reporting. They finally have someone on the street in NY, but they are hardly ever in the war zones, they haven't done much coverage of the fires in So Cal. They didn't go to the London fire. If it isn't Trump, they don't want to cover it."
Actual on-site reporting costs money, don't you know? The corporate heads and accountants can't square the expense with the dubious result of, you know, real reporting. They just repeat news feeds and tweets they pick up elsewhere. Saves time, travel, toil and trouble. And loot.
There are times when I grow weary of Trump's brand of hyperbole and his repetitions, but I never thought he lacked intelligence.
I've never listened to more than 5 minutes of any political speech. I like to point out that the Gettysburg Address is less than two minutes long. Trump said he would enact some policies that I approved of. I took him at his word that he would try because why would he lie about it? He has a beautiful wife and money beyond the dreams of avarice.
I think it is interesting that the left's attack against Trump, that he is a "bad person" has failed so completely and the left hasn't got a clue as to why. The people who voted for him decided he isn't that bad and we have tried "good people." The good people failed to address our concerns or straight out sold us out.
The suicide bomber is like Inga commenting on the Jr. email. In the end just a big dud, and left dazed and confused.
"If CNN reports the news accurately, it would show that President Trump's policies/desired policies are the correct ones."
You're confused. Journalism is supposed to print factual information.
There is a reason Fox is better at breaking news now. Set aside politics. They have local broadcast affiliates almost everywhere. When the Boston Marathon bombing took place their reporter was already there.
You're confused. Journalism is supposed to print factual information.
He meant "correct" in terms of being both economically effective and classically liberal, not the brand of government control that makes you feel all wiggly inside.
"Trump said he would enact some policies that I approved of. I took him at his word that he would try because why would he lie about it? He has a beautiful wife and money beyond the dreams of avarice."
Are you really this naive? Why would he lie about it? Aside from Trump's own lack of character or trustworthiness, all candidates for the presidency lie! They want to win, so they tell the people what they want to hear! It's not about riches--the president's salary isn't that high--it's about power and ego.
“The suicide bomber is like Inga commenting on the Jr. email. In the end just a big dud, and left dazed and confused.”
The suicide bomber is just like Fox, reporting Beverly Nelson’s entire yearbook inscription was a FAKE and she ADMITTED it!! Weak.
Then they had to retract that headline and correct the story, lol.
You're confused. Journalism is supposed to print factual information.
That's a nice goal. When are they going to start?
“Trump said he would enact some policies that I approved of. I took him at his word that he would try because why would he lie about it? He has a beautiful wife and money beyond the dreams of avarice."
Why would he lie? Because he’s a pathological liar as well as a narcissist, probably a sociopath. Obviously the beautiful wife and money weren’t enough for him, he needed the adoration of the masses.
@Inga
Do you know your contradicting yourself? If he wants the adoration of the masses, then he is going to have to give them what he promises them. Since I want what he promised, and he is delivering, I'm happy. His motivations are irrelevant.
"Inga said...
The suicide bomber is just like Fox, reporting Beverly Nelson’s entire yearbook inscription was a FAKE and she ADMITTED it!! Weak.
Then they had to retract that headline and correct the story, lol."
I don't watch Fox News. But since you posted something I figured I'd check...and sure enough, it's crap. Fox News did not say "Beverly Nelson’s entire yearbook inscription was a FAKE and she ADMITTED it!!"
You are pathetic.
Inga, did you ever apologize for promoting that false CNN story from Friday?
Because he’s a pathological liar as well as a narcissist, probably a sociopath. Obviously the beautiful wife and money weren’t enough for him, he needed the adoration of the masses.
And other than the beautiful wife part, how does this differ from Obama?
it's about power and ego
Duh! As I just told Inga, his motivations are irrelevant to the results. So far the results are pretty good. Illegal immigration way down, wall being built, unemployment down, blue collar wages up, my 401k is doing great, violent MS13 gang members being deported, etc, etc, etc. Most presidents get two, maybe three big things done in 8 years, so far it is looking good.
So anyway, just what did Trump lie about? He said he was going to increase immigration enforcement, that he would repeal Obamacare (he tried), that he would reduce regulation and taxes. What is bothering the left is that he didn't lie. He made campaign promises, and then actually tries to fulfill them. Kinda different from a lot of other Republican politicians.
Oh, and I forgot. He isn't Hillary Clinton and is nominating conservative judges.
“Inga, did you ever apologize for promoting that false CNN story from Friday?”
Yancy did you ever apologize for promoting the fake Fox News headline and story about Beverly Nelson admitting she faked the entire inscription by Roy Moore from Friday? No? Then get snapping.
Inga and Robert Cook seem to think the Prez is supposed to be some kind of supernatural figure who is without sin. To me he is just a guy (or woman) who either works in my interest or against it.
This post had me rolling on the floor. There has to be a weird movie reference somewhere to add to the analysis.
Next thing you know, you will be telling us you watch MTV to see the latest artist perform. CNN has evolved. It is pretty much entirely scripted to the point that breaking news just ruins it for them.
At the time of the bombing I was at the gym. The CNN TV was all about "......accused child molester Roy Moore..." It is the only descriptor used for Moore on CNN.
“I don't watch Fox News. “
Surrrre you don’t, lol.
“But since you posted something I figured I'd check...and sure enough, it's crap. Fox News did not say "Beverly Nelson’s entire yearbook inscription was a FAKE and she ADMITTED it!!"”
Liar. Go look again.
“You are pathetic.”
You are stupid. Everyday the same stupid comments. Dullard.
Best place for up-to-the-minute news these days is twitter.
Inga's answer- "No, I didn't apologize."
I never promoted the story from FoxNews, Inga. I only noted that she admitted forging part of the inscription and that it cast doubt on the rest of it, as it logically does.
Again, do you acknowledge you were promoting a false CNN story about the e-mail to Trump Jr.? Yes or no?
“Inga and Robert Cook seem to think the Prez is supposed to be some kind of supernatural figure who is without sin.”
No, just normal. Is that too much to ask?
"Inga and Robert Cook seem to think the Prez is supposed to be some kind of supernatural figure who is without sin. To me he is just a guy (or woman) who either works in my interest or against it."
I don't think this. But if you think Trump has the slightest interest in working for your interest, or for the interests of the American people at large, you're--as I wondered above--naive beyond all comprehension.
“I never promoted the story from FoxNews, Inga. I only noted that she admitted forging part of the inscription and that it cast doubt on the rest of it, as it logically does.”
Yes you most certainly did, why lie about this? Pathetic and dishonest.
“...naive beyond all comprehension.”
Gullible, blinded by Trump sycophancy.
If I am lying about it, Inga, you should repost the comment where I did this. I will make this easy for you- here is a paraphrase of what I wrote about the inscription after she admitted to forging part of it- you should be able to use it to find my actual quotes in the comment thread, at least if you have an IQ over 95, which doubtful.
"I stand by what I wrote 2 weeks ago- I think Moore wrote every part of the inscription up to "Roy", but that every part after that was added with a different pen."
And, again, Inga, I ask you- do you acknowledge the CNN story you promoted in multiple comments was, in fact, false? Yes or no?
But if you think Trump has the slightest interest in working for your interest, or for the interests of the American people at large, you're--as I wondered above--naive beyond all comprehension.
I don't have to think it, I can see it. Your cynicism is both complete, and therefore ridiculous. What is Trump's nefarious scheme that seems to encompass fulfilling the campaign promises that got him elected?
I know, you and Inga insist that Trump is a great bid doody head. Oh, hum.
“And, again, Inga, I ask you- do you acknowledge the CNN story you promoted in multiple comments was, in fact, false? Yes or no?”
Oh I see we have another Torquemada wanna be. Vance needs a vacation from his Grand Inquisitor gig, huh?
Gullible, blinded by Trump sycophancy.
Once again, what is this nefarious scheme that is furthered by actually fulfilling campaign promises?
Unemployment down, Dow Jones up, illegal immigration down, blue collar wages up, conservative judges being confirmed.
Oh, the horror of it all.
To me Trump is just a guy who, if he doesn't work in my interest, I will work towards replacing. Inga and RC are the people who seem to think he is some supernatural being. If not a messiah then I guess he is Satan.
Making at all about Donald Trump's personal failings has not been successful, as Hillary proved. But the Dems at this point have agreed on nothing to be For, only Against.
And now, Inga, I have to ask you to produce the lie about the FoxNews story you are now going on about. Repost the comment that proves I lied above. I have found the thread where I commented on the partial forgery- do you need me to post it for you?
“I know, you and Inga insist that Trump is a great bid doody head. Oh, hum.”
No, these are the words I’d use: Pathological liar, narcissist and sociopath. Much more descriptive than “doody head”.
“And now, Inga, I have to ask you to produce the lie about the FoxNews story you are now going on about. Repost the comment that proves I lied above. I have found the thread where I commented on the partial forgery- do you need me to post it for you?”
I do not care one whit for what you have to say or think you’re proving. Go ahead and amuse yourself, or whatever the hell you think you’re doing. I don’t really care. Your comments directed to me are boring and repetitive and bordering on obsessive.
So, you can't back up the libel that I lied about promoting the claim Harris admitted to forging the entire inscription, can you? This is typical for you, Inga. If you had just had the basic honestly to have not run away from the thread where you were flogging the false CNN story, I wouldn't have made a point in following up here. However, you vanished almost at the instant CNN corrected the only fact in the story that mattered, and even now can't seem to bring yourself to acknowledge that CNN made a fool out you. Instead, you resort to calling me a liar, and then refuse to back that up with evidence. I rest my case against you, Inga.
“I rest my case against you, Inga.”
Good, glad to hear it!
And for what it is worth, Inga, here is the only thread on Althouse that I commented about the yearbook after Harris' admission to writing part of it.
You are stupid. Everyday the same stupid comments. Dullard.
Even if true this would be an improvement. With Inga here we get the same stupid comments every three minutes. Even Chuck limits himself to ten or twenty stupid comments a day.
“And for what it is worth, Inga, here is the only thread on Althouse that I commented about the yearbook after Harris' admission to writing part of it.”
It’s worth less than nothing to me. All that effort on your part for less than nothing. What did you prove? That you have a strange obsession regarding myself. I’d get that looked at if I were you.
Inga's method is easy to describe- promote a story in a comment thread until it gets retracted, then vanish until the next day; rinse, repeat. However, never ever admitting to the errors. It really is like she is born anew every single day.
You too Rick, strange obsession, I’d get that looked at. There are many interesting things to comment on here at Althouse, I really have to wonder why there are a handful of you oddballs that focus on me. Don’t you think that’s strange?
Yawn, an interesting thread turned boring by a few commenters honing in on one commenter and then running with it. This happens to Chuck, TTR, ARM and a few others. It’s tedious and odd, but maybe not odd for online interactions. These people would probably not behave this way in person... who knows maybe they would.
I proved, Inga, that you libeled me- that is what I proved. The respect of fellow commenters probably doesn't matter to you, but it does to me, and would even if I were posting anonymously like you do. I wouldn't promote a story repeatedly, see it retracted, and then vanish like a fart in the wind- I would stand up and admit that I bought into a false story, and I wouldn't even have to be prompted to do so. That is the difference between us- you have been caught twice in just a week's time promoting two stories that were proven to be utterly false, and in neither instance did you acknowledge you were had either time- both times you vanished almost the instant the stories got retracted, and those aren't even the only two times this has happened to you, either.
Shorter Inga:
Look at Me! Look at Me!
People looking at me sure are creepy.
reuters.com. Very helpful for quick news update that is actual news.
I started laughing at your description, Ann - it was very similar to several incidents when I turned to TV news for an update on something that was happening, and found myself insulted with nonsense. That is why we gave up the TV over a decade ago. It's useless for what we wanted.
The newsies did this to themselves. We did not do it to them! Blaming the deplorables makes no sense.
If you don't want people honing in on you, Inga, don't repost the same false stories a dozen times, then vanish when they get retracted- deal with your mistakes honestly, and people here might even take you seriously. As of right now, you are basically a joke- it is hard to imagine why you do what you do here since you are colossally wrong almost on a daily basis now.
This happens to Chuck, TTR, ARM and a few others.
At least you accurately classify yourself with others who are only here to be assholes to everyone else.
"When I look at the television, I wanna see me, staring right back at me."
Mr. Jones, Counting Crows
“At least you accurately classify yourself with others who are only here to be assholes to everyone else.”
But of course you’d never be an asshole, only shitty.
Inga said...
Yawn, an interesting thread turned boring by a few commenters honing in on one commenter and then running with it. This happens to Chuck, TTR, ARM and a few others. It’s tedious and odd, but maybe not odd for online interactions. These people would probably not behave this way in person... who knows maybe they would.
Try not being repetitious and stupid and then see how you're treated. It would also be nice if you had an original idea.
And yes I do talk to people the same way I post.
But of course you’d never be an asshole, only shitty.
I'm a big believer in treating people like they deserve to be treated. If you don't want to be treated like an asshole don't be one.
You're confused. Journalism is supposed to print factual information.
Sorry, Cookie! You're confused. As usual, you are looking at the ideal rather than the reality. The real function of 'journalism' is to sell 'news' and influence the narrative. Even create the narrative.
If you want to know how to present the opposite side to the general political tone of the commentary here, watch how Robert Cook does it. The people you shouldn't be mimicking are Inga, ARM, or Toothless.
Anyone else note that Inga has now declared that asking her to admit something bad about Democrats or leftists is equivalent to torturing her?
I imagine she's telling the truth there. Democrats can never, ever do wrong..... at least in Inga's world.
--Vance
If you want to know how to present the opposite side to the general political tone of the commentary here, watch how Robert Cook does it. The people you shouldn't be mimicking are Inga, ARM, or Toothless.
Good point. The difference is that Cook only lies to himself.
watch how Robert Cook does it.
She's got the condescension down - no need for lessons.
Unfortunate how Inga and Cooks' lives have taken a turn for the worse because of Trump. Imagine they lost their homes or jobs, or something equally horrific. Personally, I voted for Trump in hopes school choice would be available for kids in the bad neighborhoods, and in hopes he would inspire companies to make jobs available for less educated people.
Seems to be trying to accomplish that, in spite of resistance from liberals who profess to love the poor, until it comes right down to actually helping them/
Inga said...
Yawn, an interesting thread turned boring "
If we're boring you so much, you can always leave. You're retired and there are lots of interesting things you could be doing - but you choose to hang around here.
Because you have nothing better to do, I guess. Sad!
Why would he lie? Because he’s a pathological liar as well as a narcissist, probably a sociopath.
It's interesting to see Inga and Patterico both so obsessed with Trump and the evil they think he is doing.
I can understand the Deep State and the bureaucracy fighting for its life as he starts to shrink government.
The little people, of the political left and the NeverTrumpers who tell themselves they are conservative while they do the bidding of the Deep State are harder to understand. Patrick Frey works for LA County as a P\Deputy DA but he has been conservative before this.
Maybe Jonathan Haidt explains it. He thinks conservatives are driven by disc=gust.
I took his test but scored as a Democrats (77%) because, after 50 years as as surgeon, not much disgusts me.
Disgust is a fascinating emotion. Its elicitors are a puzzle: it makes sense that we are disgusted by things that can contaminate our food, but why does this food-related emotion extend itself so deeply into our social world, so that people feel disgusted by certain ethnic groups (or by racism), by homosexuality (or by homophobia), and by a variety of social and moral violations that don�t involve anything physically contaminating?
Disgust appears to play a role in moral judgment, moral conflict, and ethno-political violence.
I think they need to work on their scale but it might explain some of the reaction to Trump.
He is bold, brash and impolite. You might almost say, as Ted Cruz did, it is a New York thing.
I think some took that as an anti-Semetic thing since so many New Yorkes are Jewish, at least in ethnic background.
Trump's daughter married an Orthodox Jew and converted. Her children are Jewish,
Maybe there is some antiSemitism in NeverTrump fanatics like Inga.
That doesn't explain Bill Kristol but he may just be reacting to the donors who keep his magazine alive, much as I expect is what drove drove the NR hysteria.
Damn. I was thinking it might be that Peter Strzok character. He's been at the center of all kinds of bad things recently (changing the language exonerating Hillary Clinton, letting Clinton minions off the hook in the private server case, cooking up the false dossier to get the FISA wiretaps on the Trump campaign, etc.).
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...
Because he’s a pathological liar as well as a narcissist, probably a sociopath. Obviously the beautiful wife and money weren’t enough for him, he needed the adoration of the masses.
And other than the beautiful wife part, how does this differ from Obama?
12/11/17, 10:11 AM
How does this differ from 95% of politicians? Inga thinks all the Democrats are there out of a selfless desire to serve our country. No ego or narcissism or love of power or desire for adoration on the part of Pocahontas or Pelosi or Schumer or Harris. One tears up thinking about how idealistic and noble Mel Reynolds and that Alycee guy are. No, the Democrats are acting out of love, with nary a thought of any earthly reward. They'll be given their due in the afterlife.*
*We can only hope.
No ego or narcissism or love of power or desire for adoration on the part of Pocahontas or Pelosi or Schumer or Harris.
C'mon, it's Fauxcohontas.
Small minded people have to believe they're saving the world. They just can't accept how mundane modern life is after all the fairy tales they've read.
Rick asserts: Small minded people have to believe they're saving the world.
Belief in 'saving the world' is arrogance in the extreme. So is 'saving the earth'. Small minds, perhaps, but very large egos.
On the same topic: The Obama-anointed mayor of Chicago can't even save his own corrupt and violent city.
exiledonmainstreet said...
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They'll be given their due in the afterlife.*
*We can only hope.
They won't need to bury them wearing sweaters.
"That doesn't explain Bill Kristol but he may just be reacting to the donors who keep his magazine alive, much as I expect is what drove drove the NR hysteria."
That's exactly what I think too. The entire conservative intellectual enterprise depends on a small number of large donors. These have a POV, and it does not overlap much with Trump's populists.
"Actual on-site reporting costs money, don't you know? The corporate heads and accountants can't square the expense with the dubious result of, you know, real reporting. "
There is still news, so this is still being done, to a degree. This is in fact one of the reasons there is still an MSM - they have far more money to produce news than the alternate media. Non-MSM sources are mainly commentary. That's cheap. We are commentary, we work for free.
The power of the MSM is that because they produce news they can decide what they want to cover, or emphasize/de-emphasize, for their own reasons. That's why Drudge is subversive - Drudge links to their news but rearranges the emphasis.
This monopoly of news reporting in fact was one of the main editorial themes of the San Francisco Bay Guardian, San Francisco's left-wing alternate newspaper (gone these several years). They railed against the local newspaper and broadcast monopoly, saying it was insufficiently leftist.
Chain migration from Bangladesh
WINNING!
In Alabama they would have strung this guy up in a tree.
Well, in old Alabama anyway... When Democrats were in charge.
The failed terrorist is a Bangladeshi named Akayed Ullah. He came to the United States from Bangladesh on a chain immigration visa in 2011.
Gee, thanks Dems! Such a valuable addition to our country! And grateful too!
If your only source to the outside world was the Althouse blog, you'd be more and better informed on the world than 95% of the people in the U.S.
Remember when Obama's constant watching of junk TV and things like March Madness meant he was One of the People?
Standards. They're sometimes different.
The whole yearbook signature was written by some one other than Moore. The "DA" proves it.
Someone copied the rubber stamped signature off the woman's divorce papers. It matched 100% down to the DA initials of Delbra Adams. The woman should go to jail for fraud or Gloria Allred should--if she had people fake the signature.
"It was just another Muzzie going for the 72 virgins."
It was a Bangladeshi citizen who was pissed off at the U.S. bombing his country and killing people there. This doesn't make his action right or justified, but it explains it. WTF do we think is going to happen by our swooping into countries all over the region with our troops and drones and bombs and killing people as we wish? That the people won't be driven crazy with fury and fear? What would we do if another country were doing the same to us?
I have to wonder if one reason we're continuing to continue our campaign of murder is to stir up this kind of reaction, the better to justify feeding our bloated, parasitic war machine, enriching arms-makers and ancillary industries and the corporate creeps at their heads, (such as Eric Prince of Scumbags, brother to Mal-Education Secretary Betsy DeVos).
"Bangladeshi citizen who was pissed off at the U.S. bombing his country"
You aware of any U.S. military action in Bangladesh? I can't find any news about it.
"Sorry, Cookie! You're confused. As usual, you are looking at the ideal rather than the reality. The real function of 'journalism' is to sell 'news' and influence the narrative. Even create the narrative."
Actually, I am not confused. I was being ironic, in response to the particular comment I quoted. I know too many members of the mass media are lazy, ignorant, and self-congratulatory...and report that which serves the powers that rule us, of which their corporate bosses are a part.
"You aware of any U.S. military action in Bangladesh? I can't find any news about it."
I can't either, but he was identified as Bangaladeshi and quoted as saying, “They’ve been bombing in my country and I wanted to do damage here.”
I also now find reports that he claims to have been angry at Israeli actions in Gaza. This seems to be after-the-fact media revisionism to me, but who knows?
That said, we are bombing all over the mid-east, and while I cannot find anything on the web now, I'm sure I recall seeing past reports of our drone-bombing places in Bangaladesh. It was notable because Bangaladesh is supposedly an ally of ours.
“They’ve been bombing in my country and I wanted to do damage here.”
Blowing up New Yorkers – more work that Native Americans Just Won't Do.
I think he (and you) might be mistaken; I can't find any indication of U.S. drone strikes in Bangladesh.
Cookie explains: Actually, I am not confused. I was being ironic, in response to the particular comment I quoted. I know too many members of the mass media are lazy, ignorant, and self-congratulatory...and report that which serves the powers that rule us, of which their corporate bosses are a part.
In that case, never mind. Sarcasm being my native tongue, I'm surprised I missed it. ;-)
Yancey Ward,
I would wager that the finances in the business are so tight now that on-scene reporting is not funded well any longer- the crew to cover it is assigned a territory that is so large it takes at least an hour or two to get to.
Not in this case. The NYT building is, what, a couple of blocks away?
@Paco Wove:
I realize my error...I was thinking of Pakistan, another ally of ours the we have sent drone strikes into. Nonetheless, how do we know we’re NOT also sending strikes into Bangladesh? After all, the bomber seems to think we’re bombing in his country. We do seem to be operating all over the Middle East.
Cook, the bomber seems to be an idiot. Lets just hope that you are never standing next to a guy on the Subway who is much better at making pipe bombs than this guy was, although you would be quite forgiving of the terriorist, I'm sure, even if you got a few nails driven into your midsection or your eyes.. It would all be the fault of the U.S. Government.
I’m not forgiving of the bomber at all. Either you know that and choose to slander me or you are not very smart. However, our broad, unscrutinized, free-ranging military strikes all over the mid-east are going to piss off people, some of whom will act out violently against us. And what are we doing? What is our purpose? Where is there any declared war in these areas that have a basis to be in effect and a stated end goal? The war we are fighting IS our purpose and goal. It is self-justifying, self-feeding.
"Robert Cook said...
@Paco Wove:
I realize my error...I was thinking of Pakistan, another ally of ours the we have sent drone strikes into. Nonetheless, how do we know we’re NOT also sending strikes into Bangladesh?"
So absent of facts, one turns to the subterfuge. Yep, the whole fucking world knows about our drone strikes except those super secret ones in Bangladesh. Only Haji the Bomber knew about those. Amazing talent from a not so smart bomb.
New low for you Cookie. Sad!
Incurious George:
I have no idea what you're talking about. I admitted my error. The bomber, however, a Bangladeshi, was quoted in yesterday's news reports as saying, “They’ve been bombing in my country and I wanted to do damage here.”
So, either he knows something we don't, or he's confused and wrong, or he's referring to the Middle east at large as "his country." The point is still valid: our unchecked region-wide wars in the middle east--fought for no announced reasons, with no announced purpose or goals, with no apparent end in sight, and no public oversight--are, understandably, infuriating people living there, in terror of seeing their neighbors or loved ones maimed and killed as we go about our claimed task of "killing terrorists there so we don't have to fight them here." Well, all our decade and a half holy war has done is feed the once-small Islamic terrorist movement. It has grown because of our ill-considered response to 9/11. (Of course, 9/11 was just the excuse for what we had always wanted to do: invade the middle east. If 9/11 hadn't happened, they would have found other excuses to do more or less the same thing.)
Violence begets violence, and some people from that area of the world who live here now will decide they're going to martyr themselves in their own holy war against us.
Tacitus, a Roman senator, quoted Calgacus, an enemy of Rome:
"These plunderers of the world [the Romans], after exhausting the land by their devastations, are rifling the ocean: stimulated by avarice, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor; unsatiated by the East and by the West: the only people who behold wealth and indigence with equal avidity. To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace."
We are the new Rome.
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