"Folks in the stands was throwing beer and throwing soda, whatever. I mean, I don’t know what I’m supposed to do... I’m a human just like anybody else. I’m a man just like the other man in the stands. I’m not going to let somebody disrespect me, throw a beer on me."
From "Seahawks Game Turns Ugly As Fans Throw Food At Ejected Player" (HuffPo).
Quinton Jefferson was ejected for unnecessary roughness, and I see one fan throw one thing at him as he leaves, and he comes back out and "had to be restrained from climbing into the stands."
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Yes, we're all men, but part of being a professional Athlete is NOT climbing into the stands of and beating up the customers.
Ty Cobb did it once, but then things were different 100 years ago.
I’m a man just like the other man in the stands. I’m not going to let somebody disrespect me, throw a beer on me
There are some things not worth fighting. Fighting a drunk is pretty high on that list. I don't quite get the "He dissed me, I have to respond" attitude he has.
When you're ejected for unnecessary roughness, do you really want to drive the point home by climbing in the stands to attack a fan?
It's a play for hockey fans.
Jefferson was disrespected. That’s a capital offense. The guy is lucky Jefferson didn’t bust a cap in his ass.
I am not an animal. I am a human being.
Elephant Man
Pro football is looking more like pro wrestling except the injuries are real.
"I’m a human just like anybody else. I’m a man just like the other man in the stands."
followed by:
"After all, I'm just a football player, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love me."
For rhhardin, that.
- james james
I don't quite get the "He dissed me, I have to respond" attitude he has.
Given the murder rate in Chicago, neither does Rahm Emmanuel one must surmise.
Really, MadisonMan, is it truly possible you don't quite get it?
"It's a play for hockey fans."
Yep, in the NHL, he's in the seats wailing away. Or dragging the fan over the railing.
See Tie Domi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_92eKcGMI
A Manly Man™ is so masculine that he can't control his powerful manly emotions.
I am a manly man who lives a manly life
In my manly house with my manly wife
And two manly children
And a manly guinea pig
My cell phone's very small and my TV's pretty big.
Extremely overgrown five year olds with millions of dollars and no self restraint...
How intelligent can this football player be? Fans airmail debris in his direction, takes helmet off?????
Pro football is looking more like pro wrestling except the injuries are real.
And pro wrestling is looking more like a spinoff of "The Days of Our Lives" where catty remarks are replaced with folding chairs smashed over heads.
It's well past time to shut down the National Football League until such time as the thug element has been totally purged from the spectacle.
TV ratings in free fall, stadiums half empty......I know...let's start physically attacking the spectators......
Big guys, and I am one, usually learn young not to attack people. It gets drilled into you not to hit smaller kids. Most of us learn very young.
Is this guy a kneeler?
One of the NHL's Boston Bruins finest moments. An absolute classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjupnYB5vUI
Speaking as a white parent who sent his sons to majority minority public schools, I can safely conclude that MadMan either (a) has no offspring, or (b) saw to it that they went to lily white schools. Based on my direct observations I think the biggest problem young blacks face in modern society is the hair trigger violent response to the perception of being “disrespected,” especially when no disrespect was meant. They can’t cope with life.
In part, this kind of behavior will help spell the demise of the NFL.
I logged onto ESPN yesterday to try to check (unsuccessfully) a volleyball score. The first image on the ESPN home page was a photo of an NFL player engaged in a celebration over making a tackle. Just below the photo was a 20 second video of a touchdown (7 seconds) and the resulting celebration dance (13 seconds). Not my cup of tea...
"Humperdink said...
"It's a play for hockey fans."
Yep, in the NHL, he's in the seats wailing away. Or dragging the fan over the railing.
See Tie Domi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_92eKcGMI"
Clearly you don't watch the NHL because this is bullshit. Doesn't happen. BTW, in your example the fan jumps on and collapses the glass and falls into the penalty box. And it was six years ago.
Pro football is looking more like pro wrestling except the injuries are real.
The South Park episode titled "W.T.F" (unfortunately no longer streamed) was golden.
Let's not be surprised that a young, overpaid athlete is emotionally immature. Maybe the punishment will help him grow up.
The fan should be charged with assault and banned from the stadium.
"Humperdink said...
One of the NHL's Boston Bruins finest moments. An absolute classic."
30+ years ago. Doesn't happen anymore.
With all the cameras in the stadiums, it really should be standard practice to arrest the fans throwing stuff at the players and charging them with assault.
Per Humperdink: One of the NHL's Boston Bruins finest moments. An absolute classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjupnYB5vUI
And with skates on!
Were throwing beer, not was throwing beer.
He just wanted a safe space - "after I hit someone, no one can hit me."
You're not a man until you act like one. Unsportsmanlike behavior and temper tantrums don't engender respect.
If he really was a man he would not have to tell us.
@Curious George. To each their own. I still find Bruin foray into the stands hilarious decades later. Especially the announcers, who were bordering on speechless. Your prolly weren't amused by the movie Slap Shot either, I suspect.
And decades later, one of the Bruins in the video, certified idiot Mike Milbury, is an NHL color analyst.
PS: Season ticket for the Pittsburgh Penguins for years. Finally gave it up due to age and travel (6 hour round trip).
Tommy Duncan said...The first image on the ESPN home page was a photo of an NFL player engaged in a celebration over making a tackle. Just below the photo was a 20 second video of a touchdown (7 seconds) and the resulting celebration dance (13 seconds). Not my cup of tea...
Hubristic grandstanding on the part of the player. The guy is probably a kneeler.
Really, MadisonMan, is it truly possible you don't quite get it?
I understand it -- I just don't feel it.
(Of course, I'm not saddled with the name Quinton either)
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"Humperdink said...
@Curious George. To each their own. I still find Bruin foray into the stands hilarious decades later. Especially the announcers, who were bordering on speechless. Your prolly weren't amused by the movie Slap Shot either, I suspect.
And decades later, one of the Bruins in the video, certified idiot Mike Milbury, is an NHL color analyst.
PS: Season ticket for the Pittsburgh Penguins for years. Finally gave it up due to age and travel (6 hour round trip)."
I love hockey, a Blackhawks fan since I was 8 and discovered what hockey was. I liked Slapshot, it was funny. Also Goon. But they are fantasies now. You know that the NHL stopped a fighting league decades ago...a good thing. I love the speed of hockey. The fighting was and is ridiculous. And this idea that players regularly fight fans is crap.
@Curious George. Well, we have commonality here. Both hockey fans.
Interesting tidbit. My stepson played middle/high school hockey. One of teams he played was from Johnstown, Pa. One on the opposing team's parents was none other than Jeff Carlson, one of the Hanson brothers in the movie Slap Shot. Have an autographed puck from him.
Cheers.
Ty Cobb did it once."
12/11/17, 9:02 AM
So did Babe Ruth. He lost his temper and charged into the stands at someone who called him "a big piece of cheese," which is an odd insult. As insults go, it doesn't seem too bad, but then I'm from Wisconsin.
Bob Uecker told the story of being heckled by some loudmouth in the stands. He would have charged into the seats to punch the guy out, but it was his Dad.
The Seahawks make a big deal about the fans being "The 12th Man" or they did when I used to watch them.
That was before BLM took over.
Obviously the player is immature and needs discipline. The nature of the offense -- unnecessary roughness sufficient to cause ejection -- is suggestive of violence intended to injure an opposing player. To do this in front of the adoring fans of the opposing team would naturally put you in an elevated antagonistic environment. That the young man now felt "disrespect" from those fans after trying (or being perceived to be trying) to injure one of their team is a level of cluelessness that beggars belief.
(Of course, I'm not saddled with the name Quinton either)
Mommy couldn't spell Quentin.
I do not follow football, but am reading today that ticket prices have dropped astonishingly low. My first thought, that will attract a less civilized cadre of attendees.
Ya gonna have bums commin' in off the street to get warm in the restrooms and scrounge half eaten hot dogs from the trash cans. Lucky they don't scrounge feces from the restrooms and throw that at the players.
tcrosse said...
Bob Uecker told the story of being heckled by some loudmouth in the stands. He would have charged into the seats to punch the guy out, but it was his Dad.
12/11/17, 10:17 AM
Ha. I love Uecker's stories. He was a Cardinals backup catcher in 1964 and missed playing in the WS that year because he got very sick. He suspects the Cardinals' team doctor injected him with something to make sure Ueck didn't play.
I think the drugs they take to bulk up make them hot tempered.
I haven't read all the comments, but I'm guessing my take will be in the minority. The first time I saw this clip I noticed a water bottle(?) headed straight for Jefferson's head. That made me feel like the man had a reasonable right to defend himself. I hope that fan crapped his pants when Jefferson made a move toward doing just that. I doubt he would have followed through, but the move was reasonable, IMO.
Why should fans be allowed to throw things at players? My vote is offsetting penalties, and nothing more. Don't poke the bear.
Why should fans be allowed to throw things at players?
They're not. Security already went after the fan who was certainly ejected and banned from the stadium. I'm not sure if he was arrested but I suspect he was - likely for disorderly conduct but perhaps for assault also. If he's a season ticket holder he'll lose the rights to them.
What was the player going to do? He almost certainly had no idea who actually threw it. Was he going to attack everyone in a Jags jersey to be sure he got the right one?
I'm not saying Jefferson should have reacted the way he did, but it's entirely understandable why he would. Throwing bottles and liquids at a person tends to provoke a response. He should have just gone into the tunnel, or locker room, or wherever he was heading, but I can understand why he got angry.
Anyway, football fans are violence-loving morons, for the most part, just like hockey fans.
More of this leads to less fans.
I saw a pic of the U of Texas locker room.the $7 Mill one.
Team values:
Decisions
Actions
Consequences
@Rick
As I said, I suspect it was all about the "move" Jefferson made. I doubt he was seriously going to get in the stands. The man needed a little space to defend his honor. That's all. I was not shocked at this behavior and also think it's ridiculous that a thrown object could come that close to beaning a player in the head. Not good.
Fans can be assholes. This was over the line.
Might have been Faygo..
[Throwing anything] was over the line.
Of course it was.
The Seahawks make a big deal about the fans being "The 12th Man" or they did when I used to watch them.
I think this game was played in Jacksonville.
I went through Army basic and infantry training in 1975. The Vietnam war had ended a few months earlier and there were still a lot of hard feelings going around. At one Q&A session, someone asked one of our drill sergeants about people spitting on soldiers in airports. This man (who incidentally was black) said, "I'd punch out my own grandmother if she spit on me." You could tell he meant it, too. It doesn't pay to disrespect some people.
Yancey Ward said...
"With all the cameras in the stadiums, it really should be standard practice to arrest the fans throwing stuff at the players and charging them with assault."
I have no idea about other stadiums, but in Kansas City there are actual jails in the stadiums. You get arrested and charged by the KC Police. Then you can get barred from ever attending games and lose your season tickets, no refund.
The Seahawks make a big deal about the fans being "The 12th Man" or they did when I used to watch them.
The last few years, since everyone has gotten on board the Seahawks bandwagon (including people who wouldn't know Steve Largent from a hole in the ground and have lived in Seattle for 19 minutes on average) I've felt a mix of pride and irritation when visiting home, flying over Boeing Field and seeing the giant 12 banner on the roof of the hangar building there.
I have read that the Seachickens (as my dad who was born in Seattle and has lived in or within sight of the city his whole life calls them) pay Texas A&M for rights to use the 12th Man thing.
I think people threw batteries at John Rocker in NYC but he's a white boy.
The Seahawks nominated Michael Bennett to receive the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award.
That's all you need to know about the 'values' of that organization.
Jim says: The Seahawks nominated Michael Bennett to receive the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award.
That's all you need to know about the 'values' of that organization.
Yep.
Dave Parker, Pittsburgh Pirates, reported that someone through a 9 volt battery at him while he was playing left field. Apparently a fan extracted the battery out his transistor radio.
It was a home game.
Dave Parker, Pittsburgh Pirates, reported that someone through a 9 volt battery at him while he was playing left field.
Thank God it wasn't a 12V.
If someone threw something and hit him and he was able to accurately identify who it was that threw the object, I would not have big objections to allowing him to go into the stands and whip the guy's ass. Hitting an NFL player with a thrown object might go way down on the priority list of whoever witnessed the consequences.
"...and I see one fan throw one thing at him as he leaves..."
While I don't condone Jefferson's actions, what Althouse happens to see in one limited video clip is hardly authoritative.
"Why should fans be allowed to throw things at players? My vote is offsetting penalties, and nothing more. Don't poke the bear."
They shouldn't be. But this guy was 5 feet from leaving the stadium and going into the tunnel to the locker room. He also had a football helmet on, before he took it off to go into the stands.
Its up to security to police the fans. As someone said up thread, Bennett couldn't have known who exactly threw stuff at it. Its was the same at "The Malice in the Palace" - the players attacked the wrong fans.
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