Gillibrand started it with this Facebook post: "Senator Franken Should Step Aside." Excerpt:
While a lot of the media focus has been on high-profile cases with powerful leaders in politics, Hollywood, and the media business, we must recognize that this is happening every day to women everywhere, up and down the economic ladder....The newest charges against Franken were reported this morning in Politico, in "Another woman says Franken tried to forcibly kiss her/The Minnesota senator is accused of making an unwanted sexual advance after a taping of his radio show in 2006. He denies the allegation":
While it’s true that [Franken's] behavior is not the same as the criminal conduct alleged against Roy Moore, or Harvey Weinstein, or President Trump, it is still unquestionably wrong, and should not be tolerated by those of us who are privileged to work in public service....
While Senator Franken is entitled to have the Ethics Committee conclude its review, I believe it would be better for our country if he sent a clear message that any kind of mistreatment of women in our society isn’t acceptable by stepping aside to let someone else serve.
[A former Democratic congressional aide] said Franken (D-Minn.) pursued her after her boss had left the studio. She said she was gathering her belongings to follow her boss out of the room. When she turned around, Franken was in her face. The former staffer ducked to avoid Franken’s lips. As she hastily left the room, she said, Franken told her: “It’s my right as an entertainer.”...We'll never forget that Trump said "I just start kissing them... I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it." Here, we see Franken taking that arrogance far beyond what Trump said. If we assume for — the purpose of analysis‚ that the new allegation is true:
1. In place of a presumption of consent — "they let you do it" — Franken claims a right. He contends that because of his status as "an entertainer" he gets to do it whether she wants it or not.
2. Franken actually does it, even when confronted with active non-consent. Trump was only talking — outside of the earshot of any woman — about what he supposedly does. Who knows what he actually does? But even in the bragging context, the woman consents. Trump's joke is her susceptibility to star power.
3. Franken seems to get off on the forcible intrusion on the woman. Trump seems to delight in the fact that women want him. Those are entirely different sexual orientations! Franken is the one on the rapist spectrum.
4. Trump said you needed to be a star to have special access. Franken claimed access based on status as an "entertainer." That's more self-effacing and maybe he thought it was sort of cute and funny. But self-deprecation attached to forcing himself on the other person puts him in a very dark place, and makes me want to say those often-mocked feminist words: That's not funny.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 294 of 294"I am in favor of limiting abortion to 20 weeks as do most Republican law makers in most red states."
A law maker might be completely against abortion and yet recognize that under present law, a 20 week limit is a compromise many people can agree with. That doesn't necessarily mean he or she would be against a broader ban.
"which include actual pussy-grabbing "
Liar.
“A law maker might be completely against abortion and yet recognize that under present law, a 20 week limit is a compromise many people can agree with. That doesn't necessarily mean he or she would be against a broader ban.”
True but they realize what a huge outcry that broader bans would bring. They won’t commit political suicide over it.
Franken was toast the day that photo came out of his attacking the sleeping lady on the plane.He was enjoying his ridicule of her as a weak sexual target of a sneaky stalker.
That made him the worst man of all bad men types. His pleasure comes from hurting women.
Ace accurately captures the dems/lefts new found "courage" and "principled" position:
"After Seventh Accuser Comes Forward, and With Moore Leading in Polls in Alabama, Democrats Finally Demand Al Franken Resign"
With any luck, it will take less than 20 more years (like Clinton) for us to believe they have turned over a new leaf.
"Give us the names, all of them. Get all the money back: every penny, with interest. If any of them are retired, take it out of their pensions. If any of them have died, take it out of their widows' pensions, or take it out of the salaries of all the living guilty parties. I want the Treasury "made whole again" for these totally unethical expenditures."
Give it teeth. Withhold the pension altogether.
Which of those "20 week ban" states lack a "woman's health" exception that includes "mental" health, a loophole big enough to drive a truckload of baby parts through?
I'm gonna guess zero.
Having served his purpose, Comrade Franken will be liquidated tomorrow morning for his counter-revolutionary activities. It is a stunning reversal for one of the heroes of the vanguard of the Millennial Revolutionary Strike Force.
"Comrade Franken, a saboteur and wrecker of the first order, will receive justice," said People's Commissar Xana X. "Counter-revolutionary elements continue to grab ass and plant kisses where they are unwelcome. Death to all such reactionary clowns and posers and clowns. The revolution still has much work to do, and that's not funny!"
Saw a chyron description under Moore last week, something like "Accused Sexual Assaulter." I am pretty sure it was CNN.
Why isn't that run under Bill Clinton's doughy face every time he's on that network??
Inga is a liar, as I have demonstrated on this thread. Whatever she needs to say for partisan benefit of her Democrat overlords is what she will say.
It is a real shame that the Democrats didn't offer us a realistic alternative to Trump in the sexual misbehavior arena, but they didn't. Inga could have been shouting from the rooftops about Clinto to her progressive friends way before the Democratic primary. We likely would be dealing with President Bernie Sanders today. But none of this mattered to Democrats just a short while ago.
Gillibrand
"Gellibrand" is a trademarked microblasting gelatin used to remove mussels from piers.
Why don’t you go harass them?
I judge people by the "content of their character" (e.g. principles).
Am I harassing you? I only addressed you once, today, following your recent reference to me in an unsolicited comment.
As for abortion of human life, that comes up time and gain, but it is more common that I will reframe the issue in terms that are commonly understood and will raise awareness: violation of human and civil rights, and logical inconsistencies.
That said, abortion rites are a sensitive topic for you. Once, twice, or more?
"Inga said...
“Love to see that list, provide it and I will.”
“Examples of 20-Week Bans (last updated October 10, 2017)
Twenty-week abortion bans with varying exceptions have been enacted in 21 states: Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin. Laws banning abortion at 20 weeks have been blocked in two states: Arizona and Idaho.”
I would say "You do understand that the 20 weeks is a limit placed by Roe v Wade, and does not reflect their true preference, right?" but of course you don't. You're an idiot.
"Inga said...
“A law maker might be completely against abortion and yet recognize that under present law, a 20 week limit is a compromise many people can agree with. That doesn't necessarily mean he or she would be against a broader ban.”
True but they realize what a huge outcry that broader bans would bring. They won’t commit political suicide over it."
Having had multiple people show what a dullard she is, Inga just makes shit up.
There were very fine people on both sides of the Civil War - Doug Jones Democrat Candidate in Alabama
A month ago, that kind of talk would earn you a bullhorn conviction of the rankest sort of racism. But that was a couple of months ago. A couple of months ago, it was all about shouting down accusers of sexual assault for Democrats!
Now it's a new age!
TIV: "A month ago, that kind of talk would earn you a bullhorn conviction of the rankest sort of racism."
History began anew this morning!
Personally, I think we can afford to lose the Moore seat this time around. And probably should. It was dirty pool by the Washington Post to withhold this story until Moore couldn't be replaced on the ballot, but political ain't bean bag.
If they really didn't want Moore to be a Senator, they could have released this story during the primary and ended his career right quick. But they wanted the Senate seat. So if Moore gets elected, blame the WaPo for being too cute.
"I am in favor of limiting abortion to 20 weeks as do most Republican law makers in most red states."
That would be positive progress, but it is not a conclusion. The culture has been corrupted by the establishment of the Pro-Choice Church. It is well understood that selective-child (i.e. popular corruption) cannot be reformed with a mandate as was one-child (i.e. minority corruption). Also, that mindset (e.g. color diversity, political congruence) has progressive consequences where reform can only be sustained through a conservation of principles.
How many women, before The Reckoning, would have immediately friend-zoned a man who asked permission before kissing? I bet there are surveys, videos, and anecdotes that point to "no pussy for non-grabbers", for a large number, maybe a majority, of pussy-owners. How many would still act the same way?
Aside from that, I see no solid evidence against Franken. He won't directly defend himself, because, politically, he can't disagree with womankind. There are undoubtedly abusers among the rich and powerful, and a lot of innocent men being put in the same deplorable basket, as well as some who belong in a gray area. There are also a lot of women who use their sex appeal, feminine wiles, and sucking up (figuratively and literally) to get ahead in business, or just to get their hooks in a man who occupies a seat of wealth and power.
“That said, abortion rites are a sensitive topic for you. Once, twice, or more?”
Are you asking me if I’ve had abortions? Do you know Althouse is also pro choice, have you asked her how many abortions she’s had too? Since you asked though, I’ll answer. I’ve had no abortions. I’ve never even considered it an option for myself. I have 4 grown children and 5 grandchildren. Because I don’t believe in forcing women to carry and give birth to children they don’t want and might abuse to death, it doesn’t mean I’d have an abortion myself. There are millions of women who feel this way.
Blogger Inga said...
"No one likes grammar Nazis."
Wrong yet again. Tommy Duncan appreciates grammar corrections.
It is telling that the word "Nazi" is a catchall for you.
On the other hand, in light of everything, maybe the Dems will cross-vote to be sure that Moore is elected.
released this story during the primary and ended [Moore's] career right quick
Why? Moore is entitled to due process, a presumption of innocence. Trial by press (e.g. bullhorn prosecution) and conviction based up on weak evidence (e.g. an allegation, or preponderance of allegations, without one or two - biblical standard - corroborating evidence) sets an unwelcome precedent that we should avoid. If the witch hunt ends exposing a real witch, then he can be recalled, and judgment will proceed.
So he's out. Victim of the fact that Harvey Weinstein's powerful protectors, Bill and Hillary Clinton are not in the White House today.
Liar Inga hardest hit. Not by losing Franken, but by Bill Clinton not having an office in the West Wing today.
“Wrong yet again. Tommy Duncan appreciates grammar corrections.
It is telling that the word "Nazi" is a catchall for you.”
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“Grammar Nazi or Grammar Police refers to someone who habitually corrects grammar and / or spelling mistakes made by others in conversation, both on and offline. In most cases, the term carries a negative connotation of either being a buzzkiller who ruins a good joke by getting too technical or a n00b who is gullible enough to be irritated by a Grammar Trap, an intentional use of incorrect grammar for the purpose of trolling.”
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/grammar-nazi
Hillary knew all about Harvey. Linda Bloodworth Thomas, her good buddy from Little Rock knew all about him too, and told "Top Democrats!" Since she often dined with Bill and Hillary, one can only assume that these "Top Democrats" probably knew Bill and Hillary too!
So many people tried to warn Hillary! "If only the Tsar knew" what Harvey was doing!
Inga: "Because I don’t believe in forcing women to carry and give birth to children they don’t want and might abuse to death, it doesn’t mean I’d have an abortion myself. There are millions of women who feel this way."
Wait, you do. You think it's fine after 20 weeks.
You are such a dullard.
“Liar Inga hardest hit. Not by losing Franken, but by Bill Clinton not having an office in the West Wing today.”
I didn’t vote for Clinton, do why would I bid hardest hit? You’re not making sense.
Grammar Trap, an intentional use of incorrect grammar for the purpose of trolling.”
"I was just testing you!" - Junior High School Teachers everywhere.
"True but they realize what a huge outcry that broader bans would bring. They won’t commit political suicide over it."
But Moore would go there. And in his case it would not be political suicide.
That's one way to move the Overton Window, to use a fashionable term.
Althouse is also pro choice
Yes, I know. I have not harassed her or you. Repeating a principle, an observation, and reframing issues in those terms, is not harassment. That said, I welcome Althouse's effort to, if not reject Pro-Choice, to highlight its pitfalls.
I don’t believe in forcing women to carry and give birth to children
Conception then Choice. It's a reconciliation of rights and responsibilities, which normalizes behaviors that have redeeming value to society and humanity.
Since you asked though
Not really, abortion is a natural right, which has acquired a misperception of normalcy in modern culture. I only bring it up because you highlighted abortion in your comment.
“Wait, you do. You think it's fine after 20 weeks.
You are such a dullard.”
Did you read what you just wrote? Speaking of dullards and those with one toe over the line between sanity and insanity. You and Tim sound deranged.
Inga: "I haven’t used any quotation marks in this thread...."
Inga: "No one likes grammar Nazis."
Look, if you really want to know if Inga is truly a defender of Women, seeker of justice against wicked men in the world, etc etc etc that she says she is, there's a really simple test.
There is a man, accused of having sex with underage girls. He's a prominent politician. Not only that, testimony was given in open court about it--not just press release accusations, but actual, under oath testimony; subject to cross examination. Surely a real defendant of women; someone who wants to see justice for all the abuse by powerful men... surely such a person would be calling for this powerful politician's head.
Inga is in this thread asking why we haven't condemned some Republican congressman no one has heard of. But what about this prominent Senator? It's Bob Menedez, senator from New Jersey.
Moore has only been accused of feeling up a 14 year old, and Inga is screaming to high heaven about him. Democrat Senator Bob Menedez did far, far more than just feel them up.
Defender of womankind Inga is radio silent about him. But she's on point about an obscure Republican!
The exquisite problem with Senator Menedez, see, is that he's in a state with a Republican governor, so Menedez cannot resign. The Democrats will go to the wall; no matter what he does. Right Inga? He gets to rape girls (statutory rape, if nothing else) and it's all right by the left.
Menendez's problems are well known. All of these proud Democrat senators calling for Franken to fall on his sword? They are on record as calling Menendez an "Honorable" man and so forth.
So tell us, Inga: Why are you, such a strong defender of oppressed women who are preyed on by powerful men, so silent about Menendez? You certainly know of the accusations made under oath; of far worse than anything Moore or Trump are accused of, by people not under oath. Yet you remain silent.
There's only a couple of possibilities: Either 1) you are a political hack above all else and Menendez as a Democrat senator is more important than some child rape or 2) they were hookers and brown kids, so they don't matter anyway. Or likely 3, it's a combination.
Either way, you are totally exposed as a complete political hack.
--Vance
Interesting how some here are trying to steer the topic to abortion. Trying to distract from men who sexually assault and molest little girls and women?
Amadeus 48: "On the other hand, in light of everything, maybe the Dems will cross-vote to be sure that Moore is elected."
That kind of n-dimensional thinking is beyond most democrats.
They have grown fat and lazy on control of the media for so long they only have 1 play in their playbook, and they play it time and again, and when it doesn't work, they simply play it again louder.
"Inga... I don’t believe in forcing women to carry and give birth to children."
Wait, you do. You think it's fine after 20 weeks.
That's true. I missed this logical inconsistency.
“Either way, you are totally exposed as a complete political hack.”
Either way, you’ve revealed yourself to be an extremist nutcase.
I didn’t vote for Clinton, do why would I bid hardest hit? You’re not making sense
Yeah, it turns out that not one of the trolls here voted for Hillary.
I do remember an Unknown here explaining to us that the Millennials absolutely were going to turn out and vote for Hillary. Or are you going to call me a liar on that too? I don't have to prove you a liar more than once a week to make my point.
As much as I dislike Al Franken and as much as I find his conduct abhorrent, I do not believe Franken should resign. I think this sets a very bad precedent. It is both extra-judicial and faux-political.
It is extra-judicial because Franken has not been charged with a crime nor is he under investigation for such.
It is faux-political because there are two other political ways to remove Franken. One, the most important, is that he can (and should) be removed from office by the electorate in a general election.
Two, he can be removed under the Constitution, and with due process, by impeachment.
Instead, what is happening to Franken is vigilante justice. As much as I will enjoy the outcome, I hate the process.
Wow, Inga refusing to address Democrat Senator Menedez's child rapes. A-ok by her, I guess. Moore, though.... he's really bad! Not qualified to be a Senator while Menedez sure is!
Inga, apologist for Democrat child rape. How sweet.
--Vance
“She did something many 14 year old girls did before the cell phone age -- used an extension cord to talk to friends in her room.”
Exactly right. Her mother said the phone was available for her to use in her bedroom. I recall threading the electric cord under the door and having the phone in my room as a teen.
There is no steering, only an observation of cause and effect, of a pro-choice philosophy (e.g. denial of due process), and collusion between female and male chauvinists which enabled a socially liberal culture.
Blogger TWW said...
As much as I dislike Al Franken and as much as I find his conduct abhorrent, I do not believe Franken should resign. I think this sets a very bad precedent.
Google the name Bob Packwood.
precedent set
“I do remember an Unknown here explaining to us that the Millennials absolutely were going to turn out and vote for Hillary. Or are you going to call me a liar on that too? I don't have to prove you a liar more than once a week to make my point.”
Now you’re babbling. I don’t want to have to ask you about your mental health again Tim.
Roy Moore has been involved in multiple controversies that made national news, and certainly local news, for quite a few years.
But only NOW, immediately past the time when he could be replaced on the ballot, did these accusations begin springing into the headlines.
Why? Anyone wanna explain?
Also, why can't we subject the yearbook "signature" to forensic testing? Why is it somehow up to Gloria Allred when we get to do that? Also, why is it written in 2 different colors of ink? Also, why did the woman claim to have no contact with Roy Moore since the incident, when he clearly presided over her divorce?
Satisfactory answers sought. Otherwise, I think it's all a bunch of leftist baloney.
Instead, what is happening to Franken is vigilante justice. As much as I will enjoy the outcome, I hate the process.
Yes. There are multiple witnesses (i.e. evidence), including: testimony, video, and admission, to his transgressions. There is no need for a politically-motivated spectacle that denies him due process, and which sets an unwelcome precedent to deny people their civil rights.
I wonder if Franken needs the paycheck from his Senate job?
As if Clinton operative Strzok wasn't already implicated in enough key investigations, but we now find that Strzok was involved in the Huma Abedin laptop investigation!!
What are the odds that 1 very very partisan Clinton supporter would be involved in every single major investigation, criminal and counter-intelligence, that involved Hillary or Trump? Man, that Hillary really was lucky wasn't she?
I guess there are only about 7 people who work at the FBI.
You know, why didn't all these FBI/Dem operatives help out Doug Jones by doing a better job on their "evidence" forgeries against Moore?
Rather could have used the help as well.
Yet another silence breaker comes out with yet another first-hand testimonial of bad touching by the predacious senator.
I'm beginning to wonder who HASN'T been forcibly lip-kissed, breast-groped or ass-grabbed by Franken.
Besides me, I mean.
Meade: "I'm beginning to wonder who HASN'T been forcibly lip-kissed, breast-groped or ass-grabbed by Franken."
The numbers indicate that for quite some time Franken has been under the protection of the all those proud and loud feminists who really, really, pinkie-swear, oppose sexual harassment....(wink wink)
The Menendez accusations as noted upthread, really give you a sense of how politically motivated and unprincipled the lefties approach to this issue is. With a republican as governor, there is no way at all that the dems are going to force him to resign.
No way at all.
So much for the lefties brand spanking new anti-sexual harassment "principles".
"I wonder if Franken needs the paycheck from his Senate job?"
I suspect he is receiving a substantial incentive to leave the scene.
What are the odds that 1 very very partisan Clinton supporter would be involved in every single major investigation,
I keep thinking of Aldrich Ames who got himself involved in every CIA case he could, There is this thing called "Need to Know."
Maybe Strzok is the Russian agent.
Why talk about it with your kids years ago if it's not true? I think people are in denial about Moore.
If thos had come out on the primary or in one of his many elections in the past, I would buy it.
This was a last minute hit job by the WaPoo. It was too late to substitute another GOP candidate. It was timed to elect the Democrat.
WaPoo has done this before and the " facts" vanished after the election.
Gloria Allred has such a record of lying like this, I would not ask her the time of day.
Blogger Inga said...
“Either way, you are totally exposed as a complete political hack.”
Either way, you’ve revealed yourself to be an extremist nutcase.
Unknown Vance pegged you. You reply by calling names. Your failure to meaningfully respond is duly noted.
I don’t want to have to ask you about your mental health again Tim.
It's OK, everybody knows your a liar.
"Meade said...
Yet another silence breaker comes out with yet another first-hand testimonial of bad touching by the predacious senator.
I'm beginning to wonder who HASN'T been forcibly lip-kissed, breast-groped or ass-grabbed by Franken.
Besides me, I mean."
Wait, you were voluntary? ;-)
"Wait, you were voluntary? ;-)"
Do I look like a silence breaker to you?
"We don't need to tolerate that kind of behaviour from public servants. "
You tolerate far worse behavior, its just that its not so easy to explain it, nor is it so emotionally simple.
Poke into the depths of legislation and regulation, with a mind prepared to be educated, and you will see all this women-business for the trivial foolishness it is.
Apparently Franken's Office has confirmed it: He's not resigning.
Some salt taken, but boy, the howls of anguish should be delicious.
--Vance
PS: Inga, what about Democrat Nevada Representative Ruben Kihuen, who is out there talking about how Nancy Pelosi fully supported him when he was sexually assaulting women last year during the campaign? Strange how you missed that one too, along with Menendez.
"They sounded like they usually vote Republican. "
This was said about Anita Hill when she was a left wing Democrat.
This is ALWAYS the story.
Third try
this women-business for the trivial foolishness it is
But it's emotionally appealing. And, in the wake of the destruction of the old religion, and in the course of establishing a new state religion, it is necessary to secure political leverage. It wasn't just babies sacrificed for social progress, and women's rights weren't the end.
Yeah, special and peculiar interests, redistributive and retributive change, political congruence, regulatory bias, financial schemes, foreign collusion, monopolies and practices... all a means to an end. And both sides, or at least factions, profit and work to progress the status quo.
start at 4:03
Inga is a liar
No. Way.
I don't think Franken is guilty of Harvey level depravity. Before I cast the first stone, I would reflect on how Franken would react to a Republican caught in a similar scandal. That should be our guide to how to respond to his predicament. Franken is a giant of the Senate and has shown us many times of the tact and sympathy he's willing to extend to members of the opposing party, and we should treat him in a similar fashion.
Franken is a jerk and he ought to resign.
Menendez is a pervert and a criminal and he ought to resign.
Franken actually does it, even when confronted with active non-consent. Trump was only talking — outside of the earshot of any woman — about what he supposedly does. Who knows what he actually does? But even in the bragging context, the woman consents. Trump's joke is her susceptibility to star power.
Not true. Trump had real-life accusers, too. You watch too much MSM.
"I had not heard that Gloria Allred was representing any of the women"
You are woefully uninformed. Given that, I'm surprised you have the gall to offer an opinion.
The vast majority of abortions (98.8%) are pre-20 weeks and of those that aren't a great number were wanted pregnancies that could not proceed due to medical monstrosities and risks to the would-be mother but it's great to see that conservative Republicans have so few solutions for Americans' lives and answers for Trump's lack of fitness that they divert an entire discussion to more of the same go-nowhere bullshit.
A law maker might be completely against abortion and yet recognize that under present law, a 20 week limit is a compromise many people can agree with.
Except for physicians but fuck them, right?
[I didn’t vote for Clinton]
One of the true demographic mysteries of modern America is how every current Democrat was against Bill's non-consensual, harassing, and otherwise inappropriate behaviors yet none spoke up at the time. Where were all these people?
This may be the best evidence we have for mass alien abduction.
wwww: "I had not heard that Gloria Allred was representing any of the women. & They sounded like they usually vote Republican."
Astonishing.
What a strangely asymmetric post by Atlhouse.
She compares what Al Franken has confessed to -- basically all that was alleged against him -- to what Donald Trump was caught saying on the Access Hollywood tapes. And that is an odd comparison, because it rewards Trump for what I think are false denials. Trump has a spectacular history of phony and false denials, general lies and baseless threats. Trump promised to sue all of the women who alleged sexual misconduct on his part. It was a lie; Trump hasn't done it.
I think that there are numerous valid comparisons to be made, between Franken and Trump. And Moore, and Weinstein, and Rose, and Conyers, and etc., etc. But to base the comparison on Franken's confession versus Trump's Access Hollywood tape is ridiculous if not obscene.
If Franken had any balls, he'd tell Gilibrand and the girls to shut the fuck up and get him a sandwich.
What kind of pussy resigns over this BS, serve out your term then decide not to run again or run again and let the voters decide.
Gilibrand and the girls are all hypocrites, less than eighteen months ago they were all dry humping accused rapist Bill Clinton at the convention.
That Atlantic article is pretty good.
For me, it’s been sinking in that the working white women who felt condescended to by affluent feminists voted, by significant margins, for an admitted sexual predator over the lady who’d not believe them if they were abused by someone she liked. Their choices don’t seem so ridiculous to me any longer.
Democrats sold our soul. Nothing makes that more clear than how women voted in the 2016 election.
I’m also no longer defending Bill Clinton. I’m ashamed I ever did. But I’m not condemning or admonishing Hillary. I think we all make the choices that seem right at the time. I don’t feel like pummeling her with my privilege of hindsight.
But...
1. Nowhere does it say she won't vote for archetype Bill again given the same circumstances. Keep in mind that was against GHWB not a conservative absolutist. We didn't know he was a groper then (maybe he was only a future groper). I think we all wish we weren't in that position but what if we were?
I think I'd like the answer on this one but maybe that's just hope. She seems sincere in ways many others don't. I think most on the left would be different.
2. Does she give everyone the Hillary benefit of the doubt or only Democrats? Or only women? Or only female Democrats? Whichever group this includes does it refer to other faux pas like arguing arguing against Obamacare? Or is it limited to circumstances where the accused has accompanied the Democratic crowd rather than diverted from it.
I think I'd be disappointed to know this answer.
Reading all the commie-pinko lib comments on this post have changed my position on Roy Moore. I am now utilizing the guidelines established during the Clinton administration.
That is: allow Roy Moore to serve two (2) terms, then wait seventeen (17) years and vilify him. Fair enough?
Unsaid is famous powerful, even good-looking men attract groupies. some who don’t, or can’t after a dare by their friends, resist improper advances and end up flattered and empowered by them, they now have the man or woman by the short hairs, they can sue them, a win-win outcome. Remember how many women and a few men would jump three at a time into JFK’s bed after it had been warmed up by Marilyn Monroe, and even Joe senior and his Olympic class athlete driver, where they could be heard throughout the house by mom, Rose Kennedy, the boys and sister Rosemary (was she abused by her brothers when she was very young)? At least Sir Mick was quiet when he boasted, but not so his groupies. And given the boredom of today's media, even sports manipulating their watchers, politics brings us out of our doldrums, with its belly laughs high theater and Greek tragedy at its best.
Sheesh, (facepalm), I can't believe I am going to defend this creep. I do not like Franken pompous leftist that he is. But his behavior differs greatly from the coercion and threats of, say, Conyers, or, like Lauer, locking in gals and using the power of his position to intimidate them.
The mores of society have obviously changed dramatically. However, this witch hunt has developed a wild life of her own and is destroying some who, although rakish rogues, were still behaving within the norms of creepy behavior of the time. But not criminal behavior. And Franken seems to be one of those.
Yuck, it feels so terrible to defend him on so many levels.
I will not support a child molester who undressed and touched a 14 year old girl.
No one is, but there are people who will believe it prima facie.
A lot of members of the one-in-five-college-women in that group.
Folks, just remember, this is Inga's role model:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/11/21/teen-vogue-columnist-not-at-all-concerned-about-innocent-men-and-false-harassment-allegations/
"Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay."
"Trump had real-life accusers, too."
HAD is the key word. Just like Moore's accusers appeared only when they were useful, Trump's disappeared when they weren't.
Moore has been in AL politics for years, and not low profile. No accusers. Cui bono?
I have family in AL and their opinion is that this is obviously a put up job by the DC UniParty, and Vichy Mitchy gets an equal share of the blame.
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You are woefully uninformed. Given that, I'm surprised you have the gall to offer an opinion.
I will not support a child molester who undressed and touched a 14 year old girl.
Assertion based on accusations by known liars who have histories of false accusations and been caught making forgeries.
And you voted for an admitted rapist and his wife who intimidated and smeared his victims.
Reading all the commie-pinko lib comments on this post have changed my position on Roy Moore. I am now utilizing the guidelines established during the Clinton administration.
That is: allow Roy Moore to serve two (2) terms, then wait seventeen (17) years and vilify him. Fair enough?
Thank you for admitting what we're all finding out to be true about the right: That you need and rely on the left to give you moral instruction.
However, you're learning the wrong lesson. There were no pedophilia accusations against Clinton and the vast majority of the country's (not just the left's) defense of him had to do with his consensual affair with the intern.
In the ongoing "Republican War on Women" Democrats continue laying -- and stepping on -- their own landmines.
The avalanche has nothing to do with Franken at all- it is all about the polls showing Moore is probably going to coast to victory in the special Alabama election. Today was the last ditch effort to take Moore down. If Minnesota had a Republican governor, it would have been some other Democratic senator who got outed and thrown under the bus today.
"It's striking that this post doesn't even engage with the dozen plus women who have made specific sexual harassment allegations against Trump. Franken's alleged actions are compared to Trump's description of his own actions, rather than Trump's alleged actions, which include actual pussy-grabbing and walking in on teenage beauty queens while they were changing."
It's called evidence beyond "she said". Do any of Trump's accusers have photographs?
"Thank you for admitting what we're all finding out to be true about the right: That you need and rely on the left to give you moral instruction.
However, you're learning the wrong lesson. There were no pedophilia accusations against Clinton and the vast majority of the country's (not just the left's) defense of him had to do with his consensual affair with the intern."
Get back to us when we have a Representative who's caught red-somethinged in a House elevator with a male page and then re-elect him SEVEN times. Until then, Gerry Studds (D-Masshole) supporters can STFU.
All you have is forged yearbooks and uncheckable accusations.
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