It's a lot more nuanced* than what you read in the mainstream news reports:
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November 12, 2017
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99 comments:
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So... is he saying Russia meddled without letting Putin know, or that Putin asked "Who will rid me of this troublesome Democracy?"
Or, does Putin think that what he did wasn't really meddling but just kind of... what Russia does?
TRUMP
Vlad, is it true?
PUTIN
Don't ask me about my business, Donnie...
TRUMP
Is it true?
PUTIN
Don't ask me about my business...
TRUMP
No.
PUTIN (as he slams his hand on the desk)
Enough!
(then)
Alright. This one time [Putin points his finger] -- this one time I'll let you ask me about
my affairs...
TRUMP (whispering)
Is it true? -- Is it?
PUTIN (quietly, shaking his head)
No.
TRUMP (after a sigh of relief and PUTIN hugs him)
I guess we both need a drink, huh?
Nuage is the politician norm. Cloud.
Putin must not believe his luck: that some dirt fed to Steele, a lawyer meeting with Jr., some Facebook ads, and such tidbits, could be construed as collusion, used by progs to sow division, question the legitimacy of an election, and instigate a full-fledged persecution that undermines faith in the new administration.
Who needs to meddle when the US swamp eagerly does his dirty work for him?
I suppose you could ask any American president if they support Voice of America and a whole host of "information programs" designed to promote democracy around the world.
As most if not all presidents concurred with such efforts, to a one I doubt they would say -- and truly believe -- those US government programs "interfered" in those foreign elections.
Putin may view his country's information programs in a similar way: getting his government's word out but not "meddling" in elections.
The media is lying/shading the truth to us? Say IT AIN'T SO!!!!1111!!!!!
I think Trump raised a good issue - why are reporters trying to set the US and Russia at odds with each other? over Hillary's weird claims? How irresponsible can you be?
Some other commenter here did that first, but I thought it fit really good. Here is the scene just before that:
HILLARY
Putinl! You lousy bastard -- you stole my presidency! You blamed him for Syria -- you always did.
Everybody did. But you never thought about me -- you never gave a damn about me. Now
what am I going to do?
PUTIN
Hillary...
HILLARY (to Trump, after Trump puts his arms around her)
Why do you think he gave me 145 million? All the time he knew he was gonna steal it.
(then, to PUTIN)
And you stood Godfather to our baby -- you lousy cold-hearted bastard. Want to know how
many Democrats lost too? Read the papers -- read the papers!
(then, after she picks up and slams down a newspaper)
Hillary goes toward Putin. Bannon holds her back until PUTIN motions it's okay]
PUTIN (taking Hillary's arms as she cries)
Come on...
HILLARY (struggling out of Putin's arms)
No! No! No!
PUTIN (to Bannon)
Get her upstairs. Get her a doctor.
Trump sounds so great in that answer, and makes McCain look the clownish warmonger that he is.
And Hillary misspelled "reset button"? Really?
I assumed this was the case as soon as I heard the report. The Media and McCain, their creature, are trying to make trouble for Trump even if it interferes in solving serious problems.
Putin is saying: he didn't want Trump and he thought Hillary would win. Why should he be different? Trump is saying: we have to go forward and work together for world peace. But, Putin, take note we have a new CIA director.
@rcocean, yes really. At that time Hillary Clinton headed up the agency with the best translators in the country but it never crossed her mind to use one of them. Or even to use Google translate.
I remember that the button didn't say "RESET", but a Russian word was used for RESET (or so Hillary thought so), but it was spelled wrong.
I'm such a naif. I honestly can't believe that the peace-loving Left want to antagonize other powerful nations just to get back at Trump. I listen to this Trump response and think, "Of course. Every sane person agrees with this."
And Hillary misspelled "reset button"? Really?
In 2009, Hillary and her team pried a button off a hot tub in the hotel and used that, labeling it with the English word "reset" and what was meant to be the Russian word for "reset" but instead was the word for "overcharge". They also wrote the Russian word using our alphabet instead of the Cyrillic alphabet.
What rubbish, Professor Althouse.
Your little headline, "What Trump really said," makes it appear as though Trump had previousl been misquoted. He wasn't. His earlier statement was Bing taken at its plain meaning. No doubt; Trum was probably thinking that he was in the first place saying something nice and conciliatory in relation to Putin, not realizing the extent to which he was effectively throwing the US intelligence services under the bus. A common pattern with Trump, since he has the attention span of a child.
Indeed the only way Trump manages to wriggle out of these things is by being so vague and clumsy in all of his speech (and so shameless in his unending lies and exaggerations) that he can blame all of his misstatements on media misreporting. And his credulous supporters buy it.
I have always thought you were such a talented and insightful critic of Englsh usage, Professor. But you have such an astonishing bond spot in the case of Trump. This wasn't a story about Trump being misquoted. This is a story about Trump's walking back one of the many stupid things he's blurted out in an unguarded moment.
Nice comment by Matthew Sablan at 8:52. I'd have the same question. Because Trump didn't answer it.
not realizing the extent to which he was effectively throwing the US intelligence services under the bus.
LOL, I think with their abuse of the Patriot Act in order to wiretap Trump, the 'US' intelligence services have clearly shown that they serve the elite classes of both parties, so butt hurt that democracy might produce a leader who does not put their interests first.
The most important quality in a 'leader' to people with giant piles of money is that that leader can be bought. For this reason they hated Sarah Palin, and they hate Trump.
English word "reset" and what was meant to be the Russian word for "reset" but instead was the word for "overcharge".
Neatly explains the 145 million dollars Putin gave Hillary.
I wonder what the Vietnamese think of all this talk of Russian and American collusion.
Blogger tim in vermont said...
not realizing the extent to which he was effectively throwing the US intelligence services under the bus.
LOL, I think with their abuse of the Patriot Act in order to wiretap Trump, the 'US' intelligence services have clearly shown that they serve the elite classes of both parties, so butt hurt that democracy might produce a leader who does not put their interests first.
...
If that is the case, then Trump should say so. And since it is such an important point, Trump should be exceedingly clear about it. He should bring in Mike Pompeo and General McMaster and either refute the intel services' reports, or Putin's contentions.
All this talk about whether Russia "meddled" or didn't "meddle" sounds childish. It doesn't sound like a real thing a real country would be on edge about.
Chuck being chuck. Go away, chuck.
And since it is such an important point, Trump should be exceedingly clear about it. He should bring in Mike Pompeo and General McMaster and either refute the intel services' reports, or Putin's contentions.
- The case is being made, bit by bit. Now we know that the Russian lawyer, who was let into this country through an extraordinary visa provided by Obama's State Department met with dossier creating firm Fusion GPS immediately prior to, and immediately after her meeting with Don Jr.
- It looks like the info she was peddling came from Fusion GPS.
- Mueller is trying to use this meeting as proof of "collusion" and, he hopes, to throw people in prison based on some perversion of the rule of law.
- Ot looks like the CIA used the meeting as a pretext to wiretap the Trump campaign
- According to Gowdy, it is Samantha Power's emphatic testimony that "unmasking" done under her name, of which there were many, a lot, were not done by her, so we have a rogue element abusing the Patriot Act, ,it is pretty clear.
And your major complaint, Chuck, is Trump's communication style? LLR HA HA HA HA!
Chuck being chuck. Go away, chuck.
I really think he misses the point that all his foot-stamping does is build more support for Trump. The boy who shrieked "Trump".
There is the possibility that Fusion GPS was planting stories using reporters in the US media. Impossible, you say? viz. David Boies.
If you watch the movie "Trumbo" and ignore the apologies for that murderous ideology communism, you can see the way Trump operates. If you believe in yourself, the prigs can go fuck themselves. It's Trump's formula.
The buck stops here. Comrade Putin, the same as Presidents Obama and Trump, personally reviews the weekly reports from all government agencies, departments, commissions, boards and committees to ensure that the bureaucracy follows the letter of the law, both domestic and international.
A bit off-topic -
Re yesterdays discussion of Presidential costumes, Trump and staff put on Filipino barongs (embroidered shirts) meeting with Duterte in Manila.
I believe the media believes Trump is crazy.
The urge to identify with the "Trump is crazy" part is so overwhelming, it dismisses the context, what came just before the "Trump is crazy" part.
Is like they purposely wears horse blinders, or something.
You gotta love a guy who can speak out of both sides of his ass at the same time. Makes the press look like an army of Elmer Fudds.
Does the media really believe Trump is crazy? Or do they just go with that approach because it is what the Democrats and LLRs want to believe?
Blogger Lem said...
I believe the media believes Trump is crazy.
The urge to identify with the "Trump is crazy" part is so overwhelming, it dismisses the context, what came just before the "Trump is crazy" part.
Is like they purposely wears horse blinders, or something.
Donald Trump has been a Birther, a Truther and a Vaxxer. Doesn't that simply and clearly qualify as crazy? There's more, of course; but how about just starting there?
Then there is the "John Baron" audio. That's the purest form of "crazy" in modern presidential history.
“Indeed the only way Trump manages to wriggle out of these things is by being so vague and clumsy in all of his speech (and so shameless in his unending lies and exaggerations) that he can blame all of his misstatements on media misreporting. And his credulous supporters buy it.”
Indeed.
Then there is the "John Baron" audio. That's the purest form of "crazy" in modern presidential history.
What's the right description for the mental state of, say, a failed and frustrated Michigan lawyer who spends hours and hours jealously venting about someone who will never know or care?
“All this talk about whether Russia "meddled" or didn't "meddle" sounds childish. It doesn't sound like a real thing a real country would be on edge about.”
Trump is being played by Putin, nothing to worry about though, carry on.
I have experienced first hand how pissy liberals get when you ask them where they plan to go with this? Is is worth exacerbating tensions with a nuclear power who is supplying Iran, Syria and North Korea with arms and support? You really need to have your facts in order before you start W.W.III. Basing it on dodgy pee reports, corrupt FBI agents and habitually lying intelligence agencies is not enough in my book.
I think all of the Hillary supporters like Chuck and Inga are just bitter Russia isn't giving them money for their efforts.
You can see Inga surrounded by empty buckets of ice cream and ding dong wrappers muttering "Hillary got paid damnit damnit damnit..."
I picture Chuck muttering incoherent half formed curses getting lost in the middle of the curse "Trump is a SON-OF-A... gffterr I hate that ASS... mufftting grumble glksdjfl..."
The politburo only pays the important and useful tools comrades.
“You can see Inga surrounded by empty buckets of ice cream and ding dong wrappers muttering "Hillary got paid damnit damnit damnit..."
I picture Chuck muttering incoherent half formed curses getting lost in the middle of the curse "Trump is a SON-OF-A... gffterr I hate that ASS... mufftting grumble...”
I picture Achilles sitting in his attic surrounded by all his guns and counting bullets to make sure he has enough that when the G men come he can mow them down. Or I can see Achilles, in his car packed with explosives heading to blow up some Democratic meeting. Or I can see Achilles wondering where is wife and kids went after he had one of those nights he raged, while spittle flew out of his mouth, at those who he thinks are perpetrating a coup against Trump, so many more, but these are just a few.
ABC news is running the story that Trump got duped by Putin and had a CIA spokesman blaming Trump's naivety. That cocksucker would be looking for work Monday if I were in charge.
Thats funny trump is accused of being duped after Putin has spent years running circles around GW Bush and Obama with their super intelligence and incredibly competent intelligence apparatus at the Pentagon and State Dept. I guess we will have to see, won't we?
Didn’t Trump say during his campaign that if Putin said nice things about him, he’d like him?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/12/former-cia-director-foreign-leaders-manipulating-trumps-insecurities-is-national-security-issue/
By not confronting the issue directly and not acknowledging to Putin that we know you are responsible for this, I think he’s giving Putin a pass,” Brennan said, according to The Washington Examiner. “It demonstrates to Mr. Putin that Donald Trump can be played by foreign leaders who are going to appeal to his ego and to try to play upon his insecurities which is very very worrisome from a national security standpoint.”
Brennan was joined on the show by former director of national intelligence James Clapper, who also agreed with Brennan’s assessment that Trump is vulnerable to switching his conclusions based on pomp and circumstance.
“He seems very susceptible to rolling out the red carpet and honor guards and all the trappings and pomp and circumstance that come with the office, and I think that appeals to him, and I think it plays to his insecurities,” Clapper said.”
My paraphrase: “I believe he believes it. Even if he's wrong it matters that he is sincere. Do I think he's right? No I don’t, because our intel agencies don’t, and I trust their analysis.”
You have to be very prejudiced indeed not to conclude that is what Trump said. We have of course quite a contingent here who are up to the task, who if Trump cured cancer, would blame him for putting oncologists out of work. They will self-identify here I trust.
Kate, meet Chuck. Say hello to Inga (Unknown). There should be little doubt they would cheer a repeat of something like Benghazi if it embarrassed Trump enough.
Ywou're just an ignorant dipshit, Achilles. You're the guy who thought that there weren't any women who had so much as even claimed that Donald Trump had sexually harassed or abused anyone.
I then linked you to more than a dozen such claims. Three of them in court documents.
“He seems very susceptible to rolling out the red carpet and honor guards and all the trappings and pomp and circumstance that come with the office, and I think that appeals to him, and I think it plays to his insecurities,” Clapper said.”
Clapper is a non stop Democrat talking-point spouter. Did he bring up Greek columns? Oh wait...
Trump is being played by Putin, nothing to worry about though, carry on.
"Be sure to tell Putin that we can be more flexible after the election..."
When Putin gave 145 million dollars to Trump's opponent's political slush fund though, she was in complete control of the situation. Same as in Syria, Putin didn't play anybody there! No siree, but to not to be boorish at a ceremonial meeting, well, that proves he is being played.
Blogger Ken B said...
My paraphrase: “I believe he believes it. Even if he's wrong it matters that he is sincere. Do I think he's right? No I don’t, because our intel agencies don’t, and I trust their analysis.”
You have to be very prejudiced indeed not to conclude that is what Trump said. We have of course quite a contingent here who are up to the task, who if Trump cured cancer, would blame him for putting oncologists out of work. They will self-identify here I trust.
Of course that is what Trump has said. Said, in his back-walking efforts to get out from under his original blundering on this subject.
Who the fuck even cares, what Putin's personal perceptions are? The guy is a brutal, KGB-trained autocrat. He's a killer, to quote one of the few sensible things that Bill O'Reilly has ever said.
If Donald Trump thinks our intelligence officers are full of shit, he should just say so very clearly, and be specific about his evidence. And what he really means. Because all of this bullshitting about what he really meant is an insult to any sound understanding of English.
Just ignore reality, yep, that’s the ticket.
“Hey! You know that that awful Twitter account run by the president? Yeah, the incredibly ominous one that’s managed to overshadow even the day-to-day chaos of his administration and might one day lead us to nuclear war?
White House Chief of Staff John Kelly just ignores it, he told reporters on Sunday.
“Someone, I read the other day, said we all just react to the tweets,” Kelly said, per the Los Angeles Times. “We don’t.”
“I don’t,” Kelly added. “I don’t allow the staff to.”
“We know what we’re doing,” he continued. “... Believe it or not, I do not follow the tweets. I find out about them. But for our purposes, my purpose, is we make sure the president is briefed up on what he’s about to do.”
“They are what they are,” Kelly concluded, before saying the White House develops policy in the “normal traditional staff way” rather than via presidential Twitter decree.
Not paying attention to Donald Trump’s tweets is a luxury all of us wish we could indulge in more often! But the White House has been clear whatever he posts constitutes official statements. So perhaps Kelly could come back on down to reality town, where there are real consequences whenever the guy decides to take his 280 characters out for a spin.
https://gizmodo.com/very-tired-sounding-john-kelly-yeah-i-just-ignore-don-1820373344
So Chuck, can you help yourself?
I say, Trump endorsed the agencies.
You say, of course that is what Trump said.
THEN you say Trump seems to think our intel agencies are full of shit.
You can’t be consistent for the length of a single comment, because the urge to fulminate about Trump overpowers you.
I see Trump walking around acting like a man. Remembering Barry, with his helmet on mounting his girls bike acting like a boy. The difference couldn't be more obvious.
I don't believe you should be allowed to invoke Clapper without mentioning that he lied to Congress about spying on the American people to protect his beloved intelligence community.
Speaking of being inconsistent...
“Donald Trump said on Saturday he believes Vladmir Putin’s denials of Russian involvement in the manipulation of the 2016 presidential election.
However, he appeared to contradict himself on Sunday when he said he was “with our agencies” on the question of Russian interference.
Speaking at a news conference in Hanoi on Sunday, he was asked about his comments that he believed Putin’s reassurances given by the Russian president on the sidelines of Saturday’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (Apec) summit in Vietnam.
“As to whether I believe it or not, I’m with our agencies, especially as currently constituted,” Trump told a news conference in Vietnam. “As currently led, by fine people, I believe very much in our intelligence agencies.”
The president’s comments were criticised by senator John McCain who said in a tweet that there was “nothing America First about taking the word of KGB colonel [Putin]” over the US intelligence community.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/11/putin-and-trump-want-political-solution-to-syria-conflict-kremlin-says
I already knew what "Accidental Leftist" Chuck was going to say perusing the DNC and Media Matters websites.
The correlation is nearly perfect.
But only every single time.
Blogger Ken B said...
So Chuck, can you help yourself?
I say, Trump endorsed the agencies.
You say, of course that is what Trump said.
THEN you say Trump seems to think our intel agencies are full of shit.
You can’t be consistent for the length of a single comment, because the urge to fulminate about Trump overpowers you.
What I have been saying all along is that the one and only way to understand Trump is that he said something idiotic, in the service of his own weird view of Putin. As if Putin was a fellow member at one of Trump's clubs.
And now, Trump is saying something different, having had it explained to him what stupidity it was two days ago. I'm not giving Trump any credit because he doesn't deserve any. Some adults explained to him what he said that was wrong and so now of course Trump's position is that he was misunderstood.
And that is my problem with this post by Althouse. Where she gives total credence to Trump where none is warranted.
Thanks for the answers regarding the Reset button.
Of course, if a Republican Sec. of State had done this, we would still be hearing jokes about it today in the MSM.
But because its a "D" - its down the memory hole.
"Where she gives total credence to Trump where none is warranted."
Chuck being chuck. I understand they have an opening in the comments at TPM.
LLR and "Accidental Leftist" Chuck: "As if Putin was a fellow member at one of Trump's clubs."
Lol
Talk about writing something idiotic in service to his own weird view of Trump!
You can't make this stuff up!
It's a real joy to behold!
"I understand they have an opening in the comments at TPM."
There are some commentators too insane for TPM!
"Where she gives total credence to Trump where none is warranted.
Gee, it's almost as if Althouse refuses to outsource her opinions to whatever lefty media organ is most fashionable for that day.
Food for thought.
And who gives a shit what McCain says, besides Democrats and Establishment Republicans with Trump Derangement System?
I presume Inga learned to read in grade school but still can't read for comprehension. If she actually understood the words on the screen in front of her, she would know that conservatives outside of the Establishment do not like or trust or give any credence to anything McCain says. She just can't figure out why everyone picks on poor little Chuck so much!
Chuck said:
"If that is the case, then Trump should say so. And since it is such an important point, Trump should be exceedingly clear about it. He should bring in Mike Pompeo and General McMaster and either refute the intel services' reports, or Putin's contentions."
Why? In all seriousness. He should do this because of your personal need to know? What national interests would this serve? Trump has kept an adversarial investigator in place to get to the bottom of the "Russian hacking" scandal, so let's let Mueller do the job we are spending millions on instead of having McMaster and Pompey give us their 'opinions'. I haven't seen Trump give anything to the Russians so far, (despite the fact that we do have some common interests). Why is it so unsettling for Trump to say something non-confrontational to Putin? What underhanded dealings do you suspect Trump of??
"Accidental Leftist" Chuck is the walkin' Talkin' Rootin' Tootin' Case Study for Dunning-Kruger.
But in a nice, operationally-aligned with the Left sort of way.
"He should do this because of your personal need to know?"
Pycho "Accidental Leftist" Chuck wants a permanent Grand Jury convened so he keep the entire White House staff testifying under oath about things like who really wants vegetables, who really gets 2 diet Cokes, who really gets a couple scoops of ice cream.
But hey, he's not a lunatic or anything. He's just "asking questions".
Pacwest, you have to understand, Chuckie was so heavily invested in the obviously fake dossier that he's still trying to recover his "balance".
That darn Trump won't cooperate with Chuckie by violating laws so Chuckie and his lefty allies have to move to plan...(whatever it is this week) and portray Trump as something he's not to trigger the 25th amendment.
Chuckie is just doing his part for Team Left/I'm With Her.
Drago said:
"Pacwest, you have to understand, Chuckie was so heavily invested in the obviously fake dossier that he's still trying to recover his "balance"."
I don't agree Drago. I've not seen Chuck call for impeachment. The only real beef with President Trump I've seen from Chuck, and virtually all never Trumpers, is his method of communication. I am confounded how obviously intelligent people can lose the use of logic and common sense when discussing matters Trump.
Meanwhile:
Illegal immigration down.
Economy up.
Conservative judiciary.
Etc.
Drago: Dunning-Kruger, parrot of a talking point from another blog... although your lips move out of time makes you look like Milli Vanilli.
The funny thing is that the Grand Master Persuader Donnie Demento as synthesized and homogenized for your protection by Scott Dilbert relies 100% on the D-K effect to obtain the solid brand loyalty he gets from the 35% suggestible. D-K is so powerful, it extendz from Trump to Roy "Omar" Moore.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/head-in-the-cloud/201701/the-dunning-kruger-president
Inga at 3:28 does the kind of dishonest thing she and Chuck do. She represents someone’s characterization of what Trump said as what he said, rather than presenting his actual words. Then she finds it contradicts something he actually said, and cries gotcha. But all that proves is that the characterization was wrong.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/11/trump-russia-putin-transcript-244804
Q Did Russia's attempts to meddle in U.S. elections come up in the conversation?
“PRESIDENT TRUMP: He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times. But I just asked him again, and he said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they're saying he did. And he said --
Q Do you believe him?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, look, I can't stand there and argue with him. I'd rather have him get out of Syria, to be honest with you. I'd rather have him -- you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing about whether or not -- because that whole thing was set up by the Democrats.
I mean, they ought to look at Podesta. They ought to look at all of the things that they've done with the phony dossier. Those are the big events. Those are the big events.
But Putin said he did not do what they said he did. And, you know, there are those that say, if he did do it, he wouldn't have gotten caught, all right? Which is a very interesting statement. But we have a -- you know, we have a good feeling toward getting things done.
If we had a relationship with Russia, that would be a good thing. In fact, it would be a great thing, not a bad thing. Because he could really help us in North Korea. We have a big problem with North Korea. And China is helping us. And because of the lack of a relationship that we have with Russia because of this artificial thing that's happening with this Democratic-inspired thing, we could really be helped a lot, tremendously, with Russia having to do with North Korea.
And, you know, you're talking about millions and millions of lives. This isn't baby stuff. This is the real deal. And if Russia helped us, in addition to China, that problem would go away a lot faster.”
A made up example of the Chuckinga technique.
1 Find someone characterizing something Trump said. “Trump said Casablanca was Bogie's best performance.”
2. Find a real Trump quote. “Rick in Casablanca was Bogie's best part but I thought his best performance was in The Maltese Falcon.”
3 Start screaming. “That liar said he was best in Casablanca. Then it was pointed out to him how stooooopid that is, so now he pretends he thinks he was better in The Maltese Falcon. How can Althouse take him at his word??”
“PRESIDENT TRUMP: He just -- every time he sees me, he says, "I didn't do that." And I believe -- I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it. But he says, "I didn't do that." I think he's very insulted by it, if you want to know the truth.
Don't forget, all he said is he never did that, he didn't do that. I think he's very insulted by it, which is not a good thing for our country. Because again, if we had a relationship with Russia, North Korea -- which is our single biggest problem right now -- North Korea, it would be helped a lot. I think I'm doing very well with respect to China. They've cut off financing; they've cut off bank lines; they've cut off lots of oil and lots of other things, lots of trade. And it's having a big impact. But Russia, on the other hand, may be making up the difference. And if they are, that's not a good thing.
So having a relationship with Russia would be a great thing -- not a good thing -- it would be a great thing, especially as it relates to North Korea.
And I'll say this, Hillary had her stupid reset button that she spelled the word wrong, but she doesn't have what it takes to have that kind of a relationship where you could call or you could do something and they would pull back from North Korea, or they'd pull back from Syria, or maybe pull back from Ukraine. I mean, if we could solve the Ukraine problem --
But this is really an artificial barrier that's put in front of us for solving problems with Russia, and he says that very strongly. He really seems to be insulted by it, and he says he didn't do it. So --
Q (Inaudible) do you believe him --
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Excuse me?
Q Even if he (inaudible) one-on-one, do you believe him?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: I think that he is very, very strong in the fact that he didn't do it. And then you look, and you look at what's going on with Podesta, and you look at what's going on with the server from the DNC and why didn't the FBI take it, why did they leave it; why did a third party look at the server and not the FBI -- if you look at all of this stuff, and you say, what's going on here?
And then you hear it's 17 agencies. Well, it's three. And one is Brennan and one is whatever. I mean, give me a break. They're political hacks.
So you look at it -- I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper, and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he's proven to be a leaker.
So you look at that, and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he had nothing to do with that. Now, you're not going to get into an argument. You're going to start talking about Syria and the Ukraine.”
“Q What do you mean by "artificial Democratic barrier"? I mean, you and Putin can't warm up because of this investigation? Or what --
PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's an artificial barrier that puts in the way by the Democrats. It's a fake barrier. There was no collusion. Everybody knows there was no collusion. I mean, you speak to these people -- I saw Dianne Feinstein the other day and I respect her. She was on television the other day saying there's no collusion. The Democrats -- the Republicans come out screaming it, but the Democrats come out, and they say, "No, there's no collusion." There is no collusion. There's nothing.
And I think it's a shame that something like that can destroy a very important potential relationship between two countries that are very important countries. Russia could really help us. And the Democrats wanted to have a good relationship with Russia, but they couldn't do it because they didn't have the talent to do it. They didn't have the chemistry to do it. They didn't have what it takes to do it. You know, there is a talent to that.
But I think Putin and I -- President Putin and I would have a great relationship, and that would be great for both countries. And it would take a lot of the danger out because we're really -- you know, this is a dangerous time. This isn't small stuff. This is a very dangerous time. And having a great relationship, or even a good relationship, with the President of Russia -- Hillary tried it, and she failed. Nobody mentions that. They act like, you know -- it's so terrible. She did that reset button; it was a joke. But she tried and she failed.
Obama tried and he failed. Couldn't have it, because he didn't have chemistry. They didn't have the right chemistry. And you know what? I understand that, because there are some people I don't have chemistry with. Let's see, some of you are right here. (Laughter.) There are some people I don't -- you know, sometimes if you don't have chemistry with somebody, you don't.
But Obama did not have the right chemistry with Putin. And Hillary was way over her head.”
Read the transcript for yourself.
Inquisitors start with the demand for repentance. There is never a question of doubting the charges, the only question is how fulsome the confession must be. The inquisitor's authority must never be challenged. This is why Chuck and Inga get so crazy when you question their premises and demand actual proof: your temerity in doing so is unforgivable.
I gave you proof. Read the transcript.
Howard: "Drago: Dunning-Kruger, parrot of a talking point from another blog... although your lips move out of time makes you look like Milli Vanilli."
2 things: what "another blog"?
Next, I can only dream of having such great hair, though I don't think I would deire the dance acumen or lack thereof.
Unknown: "I gave you proof."
Lol
No Inga. At 3:28 you posted a characterization of what Trump said. That's what you argued from. It's an inaccurate characterization. None of the transcript supports the claim that what he said in the transcript contradicts what he said in the transcript. Someone put words in his mouth, and then said the transcript contradicts those words! Everyone but you and Chuck understand that if Bob writes
Chuck said today he believes every word Hillary utters but appeared to contradict himself when he said “I believe only 80% of what Hillary utters” then the contradiction is only between Bob's incorrect summary of the quote and the quote.
Industrial grade stupid here.
Overheard at the Ingatorium:
“Drago misspelled lol”
“No way! That's incredibly lame. Got proof?”
“Here's a transcript:’lol’”
"This is why Chuck and Inga get so crazy when you question their premises and demand actual proof: your temerity in doing so is unforgivable."
We are also supposed to forget, in a Gell-Mann Amnesia sort of way, all the previous times we've known they were wrong, embarrassingly so, but trust that this time they've got it right.
P.s., I hope no one on "the interwebs" ever used Gell-Mann before, lest Howard take me to task for something or other.
Drago, nice dodge. Are you saying that the DK effect gives you Murry Gell-Mann apnea by believing it's rained after Donnie pisses on your shoes? Or is that me putting Chuck's words in your mouth? (the horror)
Anyways, apparently the DK effect has been simultaneously discovered, like it was the right's own flux capacitor, from a TED talk no less. Perhaps Reynolds copied you like he poaches from Althouse without attribution
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/280718/
The funny thing is that the Grand Master Persuader Donnie Demento as synthesized and homogenized for your protection by Scott Dilbert relies 100% on the D-K effect to obtain the solid brand loyalty he gets from the 35% suggestible. D-K is so powerful, it extendz from Trump to Roy "Omar" Moore.
Dear Lord, what a bunch of gobbledygook.
The above is a classic example of someone using pretty prose to virtue signal how much more enlightened he is when compared to the lowly rubes.
There is also another piece about Glenn Simpsons previous hit against the mirtchevs of kazakhstan
www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/11/war_between_intelligence_agencies_deep_state_and_trump_surfaces_over_dnc_server.html
It used to be intelligence concerned troop movements, or things of consequence.
www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/11/you_have_to_hand_it_to_hillary__the_girl_can_smear.html
I gotta tip my hat to Callahan for the use of the most tea-bag cliche's in a single sentence.
Chuck said...
Of course that is what Trump has said. Said, in his back-walking efforts to get out from under his original blundering on this subject.
Who the fuck even cares, what Putin's personal perceptions are? The guy is a brutal, KGB-trained autocrat. He's a killer, to quote one of the few sensible things that Bill O'Reilly has ever said.
If Donald Trump thinks our intelligence officers are full of shit, he should just say so very clearly, and be specific about his evidence. And what he really means. Because all of this bullshitting about what he really meant is an insult to any sound understanding of English.
Cuck called me ignorant.
Sorry I meant Chuck.
Unknown said...
I gave you proof. Read the transcript.
Trump said the democrats are no talent corrupt shitheads. Water is wet.
You proved you are stupid.
Because Inga and Chuck are idiots.
Reset buttons on sale for $145,000,000 Wrong Russian word but stolen hot tub buttons are tough to get you know.
You are both idiots. Go mumble your stroke shortened rants in your empty ice cream tubs. Russia is never going to give you money and Soros isn't going to give you a raise. Neither of you are useful enough.
You know what's fun? Read Chuck's 9:58 comment in Trump's voice. They have oddly similar communication styles:
* repeated, hyperbolic insults of whatever they don't like
* mixing insults (esp dismissive/diminutive insults, if the target is female - "little headline") with effusive praise if they want to change someone's mind ("I have always thought you were such a talented and insightful critic of English usage")
* long sentences with hyperbolic insults with parenthetical additional insults followed up by insults directed at anyone associated with targets of the original insult
I wish I had time to go back over a few weeks' worth of comments here and at whitehouse.gov to put together a little "Chuck or Trump" quiz. I mean, if you hadn't just seen both of these, could you tell apart the authors of:
No doubt; ___ was probably thinking that ___ was in the first place saying something nice and conciliatory in relation to Putin, not realizing the extent to which ___ was effectively throwing the US intelligence services under the bus. A common pattern with ____, since ____ has the attention span of a child.
vs
And having a great relationship, or even a good relationship, with the President of Russia -- ____ tried it, and ___ failed. Nobody mentions that. They act like, you know -- it's so terrible. ___ did that reset button; it was a joke. But ___ tried and ___ failed.
___ tried and ___ failed. Couldn't have it, because __ didn't have chemistry. They didn't have the right chemistry. And you know what? I understand that, because there are some people I don't have chemistry with
?
So now all our past enemies are business, cultural, education, and energy competitors, and now even in science and technology, less and less need by the day to steal and copy, And China has won WW3 because we owe them so much they have a lot to say about what we do, as we did to Britain after WW2, what are we to do as making money not war becomes the coin of the realm? Wars between major nations for territory and resources will never happen again in this age of Weapons of Mass Destruction. No wonder Mr. McCain and his like are so worried about the survival of their donors, the contractors living in the defense industrial complex swamp. We have a lot to do to enter the competition. How many of us can speak Mandarin, as well they can speak English? One more generation and our advantage will fade unless we move quickly. Then again, the cycle of life recycles all. China is now the leading capitalistic state that now believes wealth is glorious and rewards judgement, intellect, merit and the diligence of working hard, for very little income knowing that they can provide for their parents and their children will be better off as they were due to their parent’s hard work. And they are not alone, the rest of south Asia is moving out faster than we are, be it Korea, India, or Vietnam.
Howard: "Drago, nice dodge. Are you saying that the DK effect gives you Murry Gell-Mann apnea by believing it's rained after Donnie pisses on your shoes?"
No, I'm not saying that.
You can tell I'm not saying that because I didn't say that.
Not saying something is the first clue that that "something" was not said.
I hope that helps.
Howard: "Or is that me putting Chuck's words in your mouth? (the horror)"
Thank you for recognizing the horror of that idea.
You are a true friend.
Howard: "Anyways, apparently the DK effect has been simultaneously discovered, like it was the right's own flux capacitor, from a TED talk no less"
I have to say, TedTalks have become a real world version of "infinite monkeys".
I hope no one has used "infinite monkeys" on "The Interwebs" before.
Drago: my fav part of a TED talk is the fake applause at the beginning.
Howard, I'm sure you've seen this but its always worth another look:
http://digg.com/video/ted-talk-parody
Chuck, you misogynist SOB, "But you have such an astonishing bond spot in the case of Trump." [clearly 'bond' is 'blond' misspelled]
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