October 23, 2017

"A male feminist writer has been fired by the prestigious GQ Magazine after a woman accused him of sexually assaulting her outside a bar."

"The writer, Rubert [sic] Myers, apologized to his accuser after she outed him on Twitter. Journalist Kate Leaver took to Twitter on Thursday to open up about her alleged experience with Myers. 'Ok, here goes. I haven’t told this story because I listened to the voice that told me it ‘wasn’t that bad’ or ‘worth talking about,' Leaver wrote. 'When I moved to London, I wanted to make friends. I met @RupertMyers on Twitter and agreed to go for what I thought was a friendly drink... I was very clear about not being romantically or sexually interested in him, once the subject was raised. I suggested we be mates … He said "I’ve got enough mates, I’d rather f--k you" and forced himself on me outside a pub in Fitzrovia.'"

Fox News reports.

"Male feminist" wasn't Myers's label for himself. In fact, no one at GQ ever uses the term "male feminist"...



... if I can trust the search function at the website.

Which I can't....



But I think conservative media came up with that descriptor to revel in the hypocrisy of a liberal.
Daily Caller reporter Ian Miles Cheong had harsh words for Myers, tweeting, “Male feminists who claim the moral high ground, who turn their noses up at the ‘misogynists’ below, are the very demons they claim to fight.”
Yes, of course, that's fun to do — and liberals often deserve it — but Myers seems to have written mainly about British politics, not gender. There is at least one Myers article in the gender category: "Men’s Rights Activists are cave dwelling idiots."
MRAs routinely deny the existence of what many feminists call "rape culture" by suggesting that failures to prosecute sexual violence are the result of endemic false rape allegations, rather than societal attitudes towards consent. When the founder of MRA site "A Voice For Men" Paul Elam wrote a piece entitled "Bill Cosby's victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star fuckers?" he was displaying an overt hostility towards women that characterises the movement. Over 50 women have accused Bill Cosby of sexual assault. Yet Elam goes to bat for Cosby.
But who will go to bat for Myers? Any Men's Rights cavemen want to step up for this guy? He's all alone now. Sad!

What are the rules for going out for drinks with a co-worker? If they say they just want to be your mate, when is it okay to quip "I’ve got enough mates, I’d rather fuck you"?

Yesterday, in the context of discussing allegations against the film director James Toback, I put up this image from what seemed to me to be his most significant film:



That inspired the commenter tim in vermont to write:
Robert Downy doesn't need techniques to pick up women, a simple "wanna fuck" would probably work at least half the time for him. In Wedding Crashers, the PUA was Will Ferrel, that was more believable.
If you look like like Robert Downey Jr. in 1987, go ahead and quip "I’ve got enough mates, I’d rather fuck you," and I suspect the worst you'd get is a laugh and a no from a woman who feels flattered and still hopes to be friends. But here's Rupert Myers:



He does not have the looks privilege to say things like "I’ve got enough mates, I’d rather fuck you." Now, I think the woman could have briskly gotten the upper hand with the comeback "Rupert, you are not cute enough to work a line like that" and laughed at him. Maybe if she had, they could have been mates. I wish more guys had girl friends who can laugh and keep up with the jokes, including dirty jokes, if they're out having a drink after work.

I'm afraid too many women will recoil at sexual expression and hide too much away and nurture the notion that they are "broken" and "violated" (to use the words of one of Toback's accusers). Let's not fling ourselves headlong into a new era of sexual repression.  There's a big difference between the unsuccessful pick-up line "I’ve got enough mates, I’d rather fuck you" and taking a physical action.

I don't know the details that made Kate Leaver write "He... forced himself on me outside a pub in Fitzrovia." This was on a public street, so I'm picturing something like an awkward, resisted hug. Without knowing more, I can't think of what else to say except that conservatives who've been crying out about the lack of due process for men accused of sexual assault should not be gleefully enjoying this man's loss of a job. That would be hypocritical, and your glee is based on the notion that Myers is a hypocrite. That's double hypocrisy!

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rhhardin said...

If you can't completely ruin the guy's life, what's the point of complaining.

rhhardin said...

The Pick-up Artist has no good moments. It just sort of goes along. It's not stock romcom because the guy doesn't do anything wrong and has nothing to apologize for, so the apology scene is missing.

Rabel said...

I'm growing concerned about Laslo's well-being.

The ball is teed up.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

So does this officially mean that male feminists/feminism is passe? Debunked? Oxymoronic? Useless? Pointless?

Thank the gods! Just when it couldn't get any dumber.

I'm a man, I like sex, like women (when they're not manipulative or vindictive), flirt shamelessly, I don't care who knows it, and I don't hit on them at work or grope/assault them either.

So am I off the hook now and absolved of any further genuflection or apology for simply being born with a Y chromosome?

Thanks in advance.

tim in vermont said...

Isn't "felling" a sumac sort of like crushing an aluminum can?

tim in vermont said...


So am I off the hook now and absolved of any further genuflection or apology for simply being born with a Y chromosome


Depends on how good looking you are!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Depends on how good looking you are!

Why do guys keep thinking women give a damn about how they look? I mean, they do to some extent but it's much more to do with personality and coolness and fun and success than anything else. Plus, looks can lean a lot of different ways. There are a certain, very few guys that might "look" attractive to nearly all of them but for the most part it's more individual and subjective.

Will the ladies back me up on that?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

In general the only look a woman cares about in a guy is how much taller than her he looks when she's wearing heels.

Fabi said...

"...but it's much more to do with personality and coolness and fun and success than anything else."

Bingo.

tim in vermont said...

It was code for attractive.

tim in vermont said...

And we are talking about a cold open, no preliminaries.

tim in vermont said...

Even I can get laid after a girl gets to know me, but I am pretty sure that kif I openen the relationship with a wanna fuck and a forced kiss, that same girl would write me off as a creep.

D 2 said...

Double Hypocrisy sounds close to the Ashley Judd film Double Jeopardy which I never saw but I will bet a quarter that someone has the dvd but never got through it....


rcocean said...
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rcocean said...

I agree that women should be able to hang with men, and match them joke for joke.

However, " I already have mates, I'm looking for someone to fuck" - doesn't seem like much of a quip.

But here's a funny joke: "hey guy lets be friends". "Sorry, I'm not looking for more friends, just for some sodomy and a Gay blowjob".

Alphaeus said...

I cannot help but enjoy Rupert Myers' pain and suffering gleefully. That doesn't mean I support him losing his job without more due process. He deserves to be laughed at, but not utterly destroyed, based on what facts have been presented so far.

Laslo Spatula said...
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Dude1394 said...

Never, ever admit anything, ever.

Saint Croix said...

I think Kate Leaver has been badly served by feminism.

She has traded any hope of a sexual relationship for virtual hugs from men.




Saint Croix said...

She is now the author of a new book…

The Friendship Cure

that doesn't surprise me at all





walter said...

"forced himself on me" at one time was a euphemsim for rape.
If this was in public, what was it? Too horrid to say?
If not rape, how far down the scale of behavior can that phrase be allowed to stand alone?
IF her rendition is accurate word-wise, there is no true context in terms of tone, expression etc. of either of them.
But..he certainly may have crossed the line thinking his bonafides gave him immunity...and he appears to have gone into hiding.
How long ago did she move to London?
Well..she's put the call out for others to come forward.
We'll see.

walter said...

Well..one very specific bit of advice that Paul Elam's site has out there is to avoid this:

About a quarter of the population in the UK experience mental health issues annually and now we know that Australian-born journalist Kate Leaver is one of them.

Kate recently revealed that she’s lived with bipolar disorder for 10 years in a post titled “I want to talk about my bipolar disorder”, published by The Pool.

“Because it’s time. And I’m ready,” she wrote.

“I’ve ‘come out’ as having bipolar again and again privately and, each time, I’ve felt momentarily flayed and then stronger. I am not ashamed and this is not something I would change about myself.”

Kate’s article is an honest, to the point, brave account of her experience of living with bipolar disorder.

She said: “My bipolar disorder is Alice’s Wonderland.”

walter said...

BTW, is it ok for someone on bipolar meds to drink?

Kirk Parker said...

Walter,

You left off "Asking for a friend."

walter said...

Sorry if that hit close to home Kirk.
Hang in there.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

I suppose it's a product of my outdated morals, but I can't imagine a scenario in which it's ok to say "I'd rather fuck you" to ANYONE.

Yes, this. I have little sympathy for the sexual and relationship woes of the millennials. They do nothing but mock and denigrate us squares who believe crude meaningless sex with strangers is spiritually, emotionally, socially and physically harmful, but then they make these colossal goat rodeos of their personal lives and want sympathy. Hell with 'em. They made their slutty, herpes-ridden little beds; now they can lie in them.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

(p.s. I would be remiss if I didn't make room for 'I'd rather fuck you' being appropriate and awesome in certain marital contexts ;) )

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

More to the subject of the post: I agree that it is troubling that we are at a point where Ms. X saying that Mr. Y acted like a jerk can get him fired from his job. Yeah yeah yeah, employers can choose to no longer be associated with someone who has a reputation for whatever, blah blah that's their right ~ but it's a shitty standard when taken too far or too broadly. People make mistakes and don't always cover themselves in glory, but they don't deserve to have their lives ruined. Nobody's perfect.

Unknown said...

Men, remember to record when you are alone with a woman, intimate or otherwise

rhhardin said...

Smooth sumac is a regular tree, albeit not a dense wood.

Dog pic examining tree top, after lopping off the loppable branches bug before sawing.

rhhardin said...

lost link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rhhardin/37898692691/sizes/o

RMc said...

outside a pub in Fitzrovia

Fitzrovia sounds like a place in a Marx Brothers movie. (The capital city of Freedonia, perhaps?)

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

"She is now the author of a new book…

The Friendship Cure"

Accept her offer of friendship or be accused of rape.

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