Althouse: Ossoff has lost.

June 20, 2017

Ossoff has lost.

The anti-Trump excitement has fizzled.

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The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...: Inga's Law: If the the Left thinks it's a BFD, it almost certainly isn't.; 6/20/17, 9:07 PM
chuckR said...: Sorry, fresh out of fucks to give.; 6/20/17, 9:07 PM
eddie willers said...: Hey...I'm posting on that AJC thread. Schadenfreude at full blast.

So far, seven moral victories for the Democrats!; 6/20/17, 9:07 PM
Sam L. said...: Yay!! Dems should be more (MORE) worried than they were. Unfortunately, this will likely drive them further into madness.; 6/20/17, 9:07 PM
Amichel said...: Good.; 6/20/17, 9:11 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Oh and, Trump wins again.

Correction, President Donald J Trump wins again!

Are you tired of all this winning? I'm not tired of all this winning! More winning please, President Trump!; 6/20/17, 9:12 PM
eddie willers said...: AP now calls it for Handel.

Women celebrate everywhere. [snort]; 6/20/17, 9:14 PM
chuck said...: Re GA election, gotta wonder if beating the voters into a stupor with ads isn't counter productive. In any case, Ossoff seemed like a weak candidate to carry the Democrats to victory. Sad!; 6/20/17, 9:15 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: What? You mean to tell me the yearning, stirring passions of middle aged Democrat women didn't win the day?

How many times do you think the woman with no fucks to give said fuck tonight? the count must be in the hundreds.; 6/20/17, 9:15 PM
bwebster said...: The Left and the mainstream media (BIRM) have been waiting for an anti-Trump/anti-GOP cascade preference to develop. They've done just about every thing they can to urge it along. And it just hasn't. I will also note Trump has damaged his own causes on repeated occasions, while the GOP in Congress continues to prove the profound observation of P. J. O'Rourke: "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."

The risk that the Left/MSM face is a 'snap back' effect. If Trump and the GOP can actually get their respective and collective acts together, I think the Left may face the horror of steadily rising approval ratings for Trump (as Scott Adams keeps predicting), and the Dems may make little headway in regaining either the House or the Senate in 2018.; 6/20/17, 9:16 PM
LilyBart said...: Not "Handle has Won"?; 6/20/17, 9:18 PM
traditionalguy said...: A local TV political political expert spent 10 minutes spinning how magnificent a candidate Ossoff showed himself to be, and warning that since the absentee ballots were out, it was probably really only a 51/49 loss.

The San Francisco Dems must be planning on running Ossoff again, maybe in another state.; 6/20/17, 9:19 PM
Rae said...: Actually, I'm seeing a lot of lefties on twitter doubling down on stupid. It's fascinating to watch, from a psychological point of view. Things like logic, self examination, or actually asking voters what they want will not get in their way.; 6/20/17, 9:22 PM
eddie willers said...: Not "Handle has Won"?

NYT headline will be: Handel Comes In Next To Last!; 6/20/17, 9:22 PM
Crimso said...: "The San Francisco Dems must be planning on running Ossoff again, maybe in another state."

Maybe they should have him run in the district in which he resides (which isn't GA06).; 6/20/17, 9:23 PM
Sebastian said...: Not quite as sweet as November, but close.

Polls had Ossoff ahead; good to know shy GOPers did come out.

We got a lot more FUs left to give.; 6/20/17, 9:23 PM
Rabel said...: I just heard three people on CNN (Axelrod and two aging blonds) tell me that this race was not about Trump. It's got to be true.; 6/20/17, 9:23 PM
eddie willers said...: Actually, I'm seeing a lot of lefties on twitter doubling down on stupid.

Yes. They continue to tell us how stupid and bigoted were are.

What a game plan!; 6/20/17, 9:24 PM
AllenS said...: Damn, the Democrats have a weak bench. Time for them to bring in the big gun, Chelsea. Snort.; 6/20/17, 9:24 PM
David said...: "In any case, Ossoff seemed like a weak candidate to carry the Democrats to victory."

For sure.

In the age of anti Washington establishment, they run a baby faced Congressional staffer with no record of accomplishment, and a liberal pedigree that he tried to shed. And he does not even live in the district.

They probably would run better candidates if they had them but so far they do not; 6/20/17, 9:25 PM
Fen said...: Ossof lost.

BWAHAHAHA!

Those damn Russians did it again. I wonder if the Meltdown Women from the article downpage are having another Meltdown.

"To see your enemies driven before you, to hear the lamenting of their women" - Bugs Bunny; 6/20/17, 9:25 PM
Fernandinande said...: Women speak with the youthful fever of having found new friends, or new love — of politics and each other.

Woment activism that should shake liberation, and new friends, and -- if it their liberal new love -- of and new friends, and new friends, another new friends, another.

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Womfite whitica language whica mors, achoul Ament anguager.; 6/20/17, 9:25 PM
Fen said...: Heh Crack. Good one.; 6/20/17, 9:26 PM
Paul said...: Let's see.. how many times have the Dems failed since Trump won the election?

Kansas (James Thompson)... Montana (Rob Quist)... South Carolina( Archie Parnell)... Omaha Nebraska (State Senator Heath Mello)... Now Georgia (Jon Ossoff).

Damn man, five states and five losses. Why the losses?

Simple folks, AMERICA DOES NOT WANT THEM.

Bunch of losers with socialist policies, simple as that.; 6/20/17, 9:26 PM
Bill, Republic of Texas said...: So here you guys are. I was in the cat Cafe blah blah blah to myself. Boy I feel stupid.

The only point worth repeating is the 538 guys are now talking about time for Pelosi to be ousted. Ouch!; 6/20/17, 9:26 PM
Scott said...: The Russians should stop meddling in our elections, damn it.; 6/20/17, 9:28 PM
Fen said...: Bad Lt, I am not yet tired of all this winning.

Trump needs all the help he can get to clean up the mess he inherited from Obama :); 6/20/17, 9:28 PM
eddie willers said...: Those damn Russians did it again.

Well Stalin was from Georgia.; 6/20/17, 9:29 PM
Alex said...: I want Ritmo in here to spin this!; 6/20/17, 9:30 PM
Tank said...: All those great "referendum" stories spiked again.; 6/20/17, 9:30 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Out: anit-DJT

In: DJT

Pour yourself something cold, baby, cheers to this; 6/20/17, 9:31 PM
Fen said...: Echo Five Charlie Niner. The Fox is in the henhouse. The Fox is in the henhouse. Natasha please advise.; 6/20/17, 9:32 PM
Bill Owens said...: Air is very difficult to grab onto....; 6/20/17, 9:33 PM
Tank said...: Ever since that great escalator ride, it has been nothing but entertaining and FUN.

Who knew?; 6/20/17, 9:33 PM
Sprezzatura said...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo35R9zQsAI; 6/20/17, 9:35 PM
traditionalguy said...: Handel's hair does make her resemble a Norwegian Forest Cat, and then there is her grin. She looks like a good mouser who just caught a sneaky mouse for DJT.; 6/20/17, 9:35 PM
n.n said...: Feminists 0, Woman 1; 6/20/17, 9:37 PM
exhelodrvr1 said...: forever and ever hallelujah hallelujah; 6/20/17, 9:37 PM
YoungHegelian said...: If anyone out there thought that they were tired of Trump in the southern heartland, they were delusional, anyway.

Whatever may be the problem with Trump (and from these southerners point of view, policy-wise, there ain't too much wrong), they loath the Democrats so much more.; 6/20/17, 9:38 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Wish we could turn back time, to the good old days
When our momma sang us to sleep but now we're stressed out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXRviuL6vMY; 6/20/17, 9:40 PM
Tommy Duncan said...: Rough SWAG on candidate spending:

Ossoff $250/vote
Handel $30/vote; 6/20/17, 9:40 PM
MarKT said...: The funniest thing about this is that had Ossoff won, it would be the biggest news since Pearl Harbor and proof positive that Trump is done. He lost, so the news is, "Huh? There was an election somewhere?"; 6/20/17, 9:41 PM
Christopher said...: So much for the yearning stirring passions of the suburban white woman.; 6/20/17, 9:41 PM
Caroline said...: Pajama boy sent packing by the deplorables. There is a God.; 6/20/17, 9:41 PM
Big Mike said...: The pundits keep referring to this as the most expensive congressional campaign ever. True enough, but no one seems to wasn't to own up to the fact that close to 90% of the money spent was spent by or on behalf of Ossof. And he lost.; 6/20/17, 9:43 PM
John henry said...: Blogger AllenS said...

Time for them to bring in the big gun, Chelsea. Snort.

You mean Chubble, don't you?

Hat tip to Ace, though I am not sure if he came up with the nickname or was just passing it along. Certainly suitable though. Think of all the words that include *ubb*.

Bubble
Rubble
Stubble
Lubber
Grubby
Stubby
Clubby

There's another just on the tip of my tongue. Can't quite call it to mind. Help me out, someone.

"Snort" indeed!

Shorter, pre-emptive Inga/unknown: "KEEP POLITICIAN'S CHILDREN OUT OF THIS!!!"

John Henry; 6/20/17, 9:48 PM
Qwinn said...: This race was all about a referendum on Trump... until the Democrat lost.

Just like the last five races.

Now, it means nothing. At all. Not a thing.

When they finally win one, and it'll probably be in the deepest blue district in the country, the hilarity of their trying to make a big deal of it may be too much to bear.; 6/20/17, 9:48 PM
Danno said...: Big Mike, I think you are right. I heard 7 to 1 for Ossof.; 6/20/17, 9:49 PM
Qwinn said...: By the way, one thing I've somehow missed in all this: which party held the seat before this? I'm not even sure why a special election was needed.; 6/20/17, 9:52 PM
traditionalguy said...: Karen is giving a great acceptance speech. No wonder Trump likes her. She gives a Trumpian style aggressive speech, and you know she means it.

And she calls herself the next CongressMAN, over and over.; 6/20/17, 9:53 PM
Fen said...: Fen to MSM: Why do you guys still have jobs?; 6/20/17, 9:53 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "By the way, one thing I've somehow missed in all this: which party held the seat before this? I'm not even sure why a special election was needed."

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/georgia-house-district-6-price-stooksbury; 6/20/17, 9:54 PM
eric said...: The previous Democrat who lost by more than 20% spent less than a grand on his race. This guy spent millions and still couldn't pull out a win.

Stand closer, Democrats, so I can taste your tears.; 6/20/17, 9:54 PM
Earnest Prole said...: The yearning white suburban woman wanders lost and longing in her parched arid suburban desert.; 6/20/17, 9:56 PM
Yancey Ward said...: I picked the wrong week to give up schadenfreude.; 6/20/17, 9:57 PM
AllenS said...: I'm guessing that Karen Handel doesn't own a pussy hat. Ossoff? Possibly.; 6/20/17, 9:57 PM
eddie willers said...: The yearning white suburban woman wanders lost and longing in her parched arid suburban desert.

"More mojitos, garçon"; 6/20/17, 9:58 PM
John henry said...: He has been living with a woman for 12 years now without marrying her. Not sure what to think of the woman. Is she stupid, thinking that eventually he will put a ring on her finger?

Or is she playing him like that woman in Texas, the one with the famous sneakers, did. Just keeping him around to get her through med school? Maybe he is the stupid one.

They did finally get engaged when it became a campaign issue.

From Wikipedia

On May 7, 2017, Ossoff's campaign confirmed he and his longtime girlfriend, Alisha, a former Georgetown schoolmate, are engaged.

No need for that now. It will be interesting to check back in a year and see if they ever actually tied the knot. Or it would be if anyone ever gave a fuck about Jack Ossoff.

John Henry; 6/20/17, 9:59 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Stand closer, Democrats, so I can taste your tears."G

Ha!

I thought the tear tasting reference was long overdue for this thread.

[Now we need someone to ejaculate, and the thread will be complete.]; 6/20/17, 9:59 PM
eric said...: Blogger Sebastian said...
Not quite as sweet as November, but close.

Polls had Ossoff ahead; good to know shy GOPers did come out.

We got a lot more FUs left to give.

I'm convinced Public Opinion Polls are no longer meant to reflect public opinion. They are meant to lead public opinion. Doesn't seem to be working.; 6/20/17, 10:00 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Ann, I have asked this question before--but why do you think your fellow conservatives here (and elsewhere) are getting even more angry the more they win?; 6/20/17, 10:00 PM
Yancey Ward said...: Big Mike points out something I had noticed a lot in the last week- all the stories about how it was the most expensive House race ever, but almost all of the stories somehow failed to point out the vast disparity in expenditures. How do you even spend 40-45 million dollars and lose a House race? You could outright bribe enough voters put you over the top.

My guess is that after the first 2-3 million, every million you spend on advertising has net negative value- you just turn people off after they have seen your campaign ad the first 5 times.; 6/20/17, 10:00 PM
Henry said...: shattered fundraising records and became a national Democratic rising star

What a strange conjunction of phrases.; 6/20/17, 10:01 PM
Drago said...: Earnest Prole: "The yearning white suburban woman wanders lost and longing in her parched arid suburban desert."

Nice.; 6/20/17, 10:02 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Once written, twice... said...
Ann, I have asked this question before--but why do you think your fellow conservatives here (and elsewhere) are getting even more angry the more they win?

6/20/17, 10:00 PM

Who is angry? I am laughing.

Read the New Yorker story about the yearning women who campaigned for Ossoff. Now those women sound angry. They are even angrier right now.; 6/20/17, 10:03 PM
Drago said...: Once written: "Ann, I have asked this question before--but why do you think your fellow conservatives here (and elsewhere) are getting even more angry the more they win?"

It can be easy to mistake relaxed joking and celebrating with anger.

I guess.

LOL; 6/20/17, 10:03 PM
AllenS said...: Once written, twice... said...
Ann, I have asked this question before--but why do you think your fellow conservatives here (and elsewhere) are getting even more angry the more they win?

Ah, Once, a fist pump (which you are witnessing) is not done in anger. Look it up.; 6/20/17, 10:05 PM
Drago said...: Once: "Ann, I have asked this question before--but why do you think your fellow conservatives here (and elsewhere) are getting even more angry the more they win?"

Comment from Once Writtens Very Best Friends on Democrat Underground: "It is time to really consider making it illegal to exist.

I don't care about being fair. They are destroying the country and the planet, worse crimes than even Hitler could have done in Germany. YES, it's THAT BAD."

LOL

Tell us more about "anger" there Once. It's quite amusing.; 6/20/17, 10:06 PM
Spiros Pappas said...: I wonder what precautions officials took to guard against Russian interference?; 6/20/17, 10:06 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Still - Trump obstructed Justice.... or something.

We're not sure what justice, but it was obstructed and he's going DOWN!; 6/20/17, 10:06 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Well, it is understandable that liberals might be angry. Losing is no fun. But conservative Republicans dominate both at the national level and in most states. They have the sobering responsibility to lead. But instead they are even more angry.; 6/20/17, 10:07 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Read the New Yorker story about the yearning women who campaigned for Ossoff. Now those women sound angry. They are even angrier right now."

"Let my body do the work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work
We can work from home, oh, oh, oh-oh
We can work from home, oh, oh, oh-oh"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GL9JoH4Sws

Oh, that's not the sorta effort ya meant.

My bad.; 6/20/17, 10:08 PM
Drago said...: BTW, noted rocket scientist candidate Pajama Boy is now asserting that the GA 6 Special Election was the "first time" we have had a chance to address our "values".

LOL

I guess Pajama Boy missed the first 4 special elections where the dems lost.

Must have been that FOG OF LEFTY ANGER!; 6/20/17, 10:08 PM
Yancey Ward said...: I live in East Tennessee, and from August to November, on the local stations, I probably saw Hillary Clinton ads at least 4 or 5 times a day on average. I saw exactly one Trump television ad the entire time- the 2 minute ad he started running in late October, I think, and I saw it on tv only twice. Here in Oak Ridge, I saw only 2 Trump/Pence yard signs. There weren't a lot Hillary signs, but at least 10 times as many I did see, and Clinton won the bumper sticker in a shut out in the campaign season- I never saw a single Trump/Pence bumper sticker the entire campaign. I eventually saw one in February, but not another since.

I am starting the question the expenditure of campaign funds on paid advertising- doesn't seem to have a positive return.; 6/20/17, 10:08 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Actually a better question is, why do you think that conservatives "here (and elsewhere) are getting even more angry the more they win?"

Legal cliche of merit would be "distinctions not cost effective," oh no that's Evident Punk's line, it would be "assumes facts not in evidence," or is this a good case if "begging the question?"

So as usual the question is whether you are lying and if so why, or are you just stupid.; 6/20/17, 10:08 PM
Drago said...: nce written: "Well, it is understandable that liberals might be angry."

Once helpfully absolves his side.

How......unexpected.

LOL; 6/20/17, 10:08 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: There was a female in the race, but the left smothered her. you know- leftists are such amazing feminists and stuff.; 6/20/17, 10:10 PM
Snark said...: "I just heard three people on CNN (Axelrod and two aging blonds) tell me that this race was not about Trump. It's got to be true."

Were the aging blondes hysterical by any chance?; 6/20/17, 10:10 PM
Drago said...: Another Not Angry Comment At All from one of Onces pals on Democrat-Lunacy Underground:

"It is beyond me why anyone in their right mind thinks that vile woman is fit for office.
I wouldn't trust that kook to clean my cat's litter box, let alone represent me in Congress."; 6/20/17, 10:10 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Once- We might be angry because your Democrat hack-D press are a pack of sniveling liar a-holes who refuse to report that the winners are leading.; 6/20/17, 10:11 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Ann, I have never asked this question before--but why do you think Once Written and other leftists here are getting even shriller and more desperate-sounding the more they lose?

Althouse doesn't have to answer that. It's pretty obvious.

One wonders if they will ever realize that shouting "Russians!" and "Trump is a big poopyhead who wants poor people and gays to DIE!" is not a good strategy.; 6/20/17, 10:11 PM
exhelodrvr1 said...: I can see why the left is frustrated - it's clear to anyone with half a brain that Ossoff was the superior candidate!!; 6/20/17, 10:12 PM
Drago said...: Another "astute" observation from one of Onces pals on Democrat Underground: "Russian. Fucking g. Hacking."

Of course. Of course.; 6/20/17, 10:13 PM
Original Mike said...: "How do you even spend 40-45 million dollars and lose a House race?"

Georgia economy to Democrat doners: "Thanks for the dough!"; 6/20/17, 10:14 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Rene Saunce, c'mon, you know we conservative women aren't really women.; 6/20/17, 10:16 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "why do you think Once Written and other leftists here are getting even shriller and more desperate-sounding the more they lose?"

That Wonder Gal movie gots em' all riled up w/ thoughts of gal-power/beta-guy-power zest. Reality is a downer.

Anywho, expect a bump in ticket sales tomorrow.; 6/20/17, 10:16 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: "That Wonder Gal movie gots em' all riled up w/ thoughts of gal-power/beta-guy-power zest."

Hillary actually compared herself to Wonder Woman.

As I said, Blunder Woman would be more accurate.; 6/20/17, 10:19 PM
Drago said...: 3rdgrader: "That Wonder Gal movie gots em' all riled up w/ thoughts of gal-power/beta-guy-power zest. Reality is a downer.

Anywho, expect a bump in ticket sales tomorrow"

Hmmmmm, surprising. Most lefties cannot forgive Gal Gadot for being an Israeli and proud member of the IDF.

Lefties have a real problem with anyone who fights back against the lefts highly preferred islamist supremacists.; 6/20/17, 10:19 PM
Yancey Ward said...: There is a special election race for Dog Catcher in Ely, Nevada next month. Maybe this is the one where the Democrats finally turn the tide against Trump.; 6/20/17, 10:20 PM
traditionalguy said...: The followers of the Psyops assigned Cartoon Reality are still mistaking confident resolve to win as a display of Anger. Like CNN spends all its airtime accusing Trump of spewing Anger at the media, when he calmly points out their 100% Fake News...like he is unafraid or something.; 6/20/17, 10:20 PM
Once written, twice... said...: I think Democrats over the next year should put the focus on the fact that Republicans now own the job of leading the country with Trump as their chosen quarterback. It is perfectly legitimate for Dems in Congress to not vote for Republican initiatives and to vigorously argue against them. That is not being angry. That is being the opposition party.

It is clear to me that the more angry American politics becomes the more it helps the right.; 6/20/17, 10:20 PM
Drago said...: exiled: "Hillary actually compared herself to Wonder Woman."

That's nuttin'.

Brian Williams actually claimed to have been Wonder Woman.; 6/20/17, 10:22 PM
Fen said...: Owin, I think seat was held by Republican and Trump appointed him to cabinet position or something.; 6/20/17, 10:22 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Drago, I can't bring myself to actually visit DU, but have they started in on the "inbred redneck hillbilly racist" theme yet?

'Cause God knows, the northern Atlanta 'burbs are just exactly like "Deliverance!"; 6/20/17, 10:22 PM
Birkel said...: Mandel has won.
Democrats lost.; 6/20/17, 10:22 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Here's to you hack media. *Ossoff* *tink*; 6/20/17, 10:22 PM
Amadeus 48 said...: MAGA, baby.
There is no joy in Hollywood, for mighty Ossoff has struck out.
It is not really Ossoff, it is the whole California "we will show the rubes how to do it" mentality that again got shot down. When you prop up a Pajama Boy look-alike as your champion, don't be surprised when the wheels come off.; 6/20/17, 10:23 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Brian Williams actually claimed to have been Wonder Woman.

6/20/17, 10:22 PM

As Wonder Woman, he saved thousands of lives in Iraq and New Orleans.; 6/20/17, 10:23 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: @Exiled

Not really women - not really human.; 6/20/17, 10:23 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Most lefties cannot forgive Gal Gadot for being an Israeli and proud member of the IDF."

They can forgive that because the new outfit w/ it's barely recognizable Am flag heritage is essentially un-American.

"In your satin tights,
Fighting for your rights
And the old Red, White and Blue."; 6/20/17, 10:24 PM
Drago said...: Once written: "I think Democrats over the next year should put the focus on the fact that Republicans now own the job of leading the country with Trump as their chosen quarterback"

LOL

Yeah, that just occurred to you, huh?

Gee, that's some really novel and exciting insight you're demonstrating.

Hey, I've got an idea!! Why don't the dems just accuse republicans of all being deplorable nazi racist murderers who want to throw grandmas off cliffs and starve children and enslave minorities and destroy the Earth?

I mean, isn't it about time for the dems to try those tactics for the very first time?; 6/20/17, 10:24 PM
Fen said...: "Republicans now own the job"

Thanks but we're going to need at LEAST 8 years to clean up the mess we inherited from Obama.; 6/20/17, 10:24 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Onesie, what would make sense to me is for the Democrats to stop obstructing the fairly and legally elected President and the Congressional majority.

Didn't a figure of national prominence say eight years ago that the people who drove us into the ditch should get in the back seat and stop trying to drive? That's you, now.

Why don't you let them do what they were elected to do? If it's bad, they'll pay at election time. If it's bad, but you obstruct them, they won't pay at election time, because they'll use your obstruction as an excuse.; 6/20/17, 10:25 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Knowing leftist hypocrite hollywood is withering and groaning in agony makes this even more delicious. Is Cher on another planet yet? Is Sean Penn stuffing sushi in his mouth with wealthy Venezuelans?
*Ossoff* *tink*; 6/20/17, 10:26 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: It is not really Ossoff, it is the whole California "we will show the rubes how to do it" mentality that again got shot down. When you prop up a Pajama Boy look-alike as your champion, don't be surprised when the wheels come off.

6/20/17, 10:23 PM

That, plus I'm sure the baseball field shooting (which the media has sure moved on from in a hurry, compared to when Giffords was shot) probably convinced more than a few Republicans to get out there and vote.

We need all the people we can get in the House, because a leftist might try to put some of them 6 ft. under.; 6/20/17, 10:27 PM
Fen said...: "followers of Cartoon Reality still mistaking confident resolve for - "

Very good point. We watch cartoon network with the kids and some of the role modeling is annoying. Sorry Ash, but in the real world your opponent has been training 8 hours a day since he was 12. "Believe" in yourself all you want, you're still getting knocked out middle of 1st round.; 6/20/17, 10:30 PM
Bay Area Guy said...: I thought this was a bellwether election, a referendum on how crappy our President was, how empowered the Dems were.

Never mind.; 6/20/17, 10:31 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "It is not really Ossoff, it is the whole California "we will show the rubes how to do it" mentality that again got shot down."

Ya sure showed them. Now, being filthy rich in CA sucks.; 6/20/17, 10:31 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Ann and everyone, please note who is spewing anger here.

I'm not angry. I recognize that for at least two decades (maybe five decades going back to the late 1960s) the country has been trending more and more towards the populist and nationalist conservative message.

I think the next few years the real battle will be between Republicans with Dems somewhat on the sidelines.; 6/20/17, 10:33 PM
Drago said...: Once written: "Ann and everyone, please note who is spewing anger here"

Uh, that would be you.

The rest of us are enjoying the evening.; 6/20/17, 10:34 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Oh, this is delicious. Buzzfeed reports on Ossoff's loss:

"A slow stream of attendees headed for the doors, heading out of the ballroom and lingering outside. Attendees hugged companions in tears. One woman leaned glumly on a bar table outside the door of the ballroom, glaring at the scene.

“Horrible. Unbelievable. Devastating,” Michelle Litton, an Ossoff supporter, told BuzzFeed News. “It just goes on and on, ever since Trump won it just feels like, you gotta be kidding me. Who could support Trump? I mean what are these people listening to? I mean Jon Ossoff is gonna work for both parties. What happened? Who are these people voting for the Republicans that support Trump? It’s disgusting. I gotta move out of the state, I can’t live in a red state. I’m from New England and this is just appalling. I’m really upset.”

Go back to New England, Michelle. Massachusetts is a safe space for you.; 6/20/17, 10:36 PM
chickelit said...: Here's a list of Ossoff's top Bay Area donors. Note that half of them are retirees. I wonder if they're public sector retirees. Who else has that kind of dough to blow?; 6/20/17, 10:36 PM
Drago said...: Once: "I think the next few years the real battle will be between Republicans with Dems somewhat on the sidelines"

Well, not counting the dem-led coup attempt and the extraordinary violence in the streets perpetrated by the left.

So, yeah, "sidelines". Uh huh.; 6/20/17, 10:37 PM
Fen said...: Dem Underground: "Russia hacked Georgia"

Preposterous.

BTW, did anyone else's monthly check come in as rubles not dollars? I think it's deliberate.; 6/20/17, 10:37 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: PB, even spoiled little rich brats don't always get their way.; 6/20/17, 10:37 PM
deepelemblues said...: The more angry the country becoming the more it helps the right is because the right knows how to turn anger into effective action.

The left simply wallows in its anger and doesn't use it to do the WORK needed to win. They think all they have to do is throw a tantrum and then they'll get what they want. Because they're 3 year olds.; 6/20/17, 10:39 PM
Drago said...: Fen: "BTW, did anyone else's monthly check come in as rubles not dollars? I think it's deliberate."

Am I really the only one enjoying a borscht smoothie right now?; 6/20/17, 10:39 PM
Drago said...: deepelemblues: "The left simply wallows in its anger...."

And often human feces as well.; 6/20/17, 10:39 PM
Skeptical Voter said...: The Old South, and just maybe the New South never did like carpetbaggers.; 6/20/17, 10:40 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Ellen L. Carmichael ✔ @ellencarmichael
Get your narrative glasses on, folks:

1) “It shouldn’t have been this close.”
2) “The rain depressed Dem turnout.”
3) “Voter suppression."
6:41 PM - 20 Jun 2017; 6/20/17, 10:40 PM
Bay Area Guy said...: I'm not angry - I'm just glad the great State of Georgia did not Jack Ossoff'; 6/20/17, 10:42 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: "Am I really the only one enjoying a borscht smoothie right now?"

As "The 1812 Overture" plays in the background?; 6/20/17, 10:42 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Trump is getting oversight by Republican chaired congressional committees. Trump is being investigated (according to him) by an independent counsel appointed by one of his Justice Department appointees. How can this be a "Dem led coup" as Drago claims? Dems are not in power.; 6/20/17, 10:43 PM
Fen said...: "Understandable that liberal are angry"

Twitter was on fire with liberals angry that their assassin wasn't a better shot.

Liberals aren't angry that Trump is taking away their rights, they are angry that Trump is giving rights back to the rest of us. To paraphrase that guy over at Ace of Spades HQ.; 6/20/17, 10:45 PM
chickelit said...: I think the next few years the real battle will be between Republicans with Dems somewhat on the sidelines.

Dems will resurge when they get back on the side of working Americans. Republicans will forever be the party of ever cheaper labor. For some reason, Democrats got sidetracked on immigration and championed the immigrant ueber Alles. Change that back, you will change your fortunes.; 6/20/17, 10:46 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Ben Jacobs
Brief and scattered shouts of "not my congresswoman" at the Ossoff event
9:16 PM - 20 Jun 2017

Mike Warren
Was it from Ossoff? Because that would be true.; 6/20/17, 10:46 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Dems are not in power.

Onesie, a man your age shouldn't be this naive, or rather, play this dumb.; 6/20/17, 10:47 PM
Original Mike said...: eric said..."I'm convinced Public Opinion Polls are no longer meant to reflect public opinion. They are meant to lead public opinion. Doesn't seem to be working."

Anybody know how often the polls are wrong in the other direction (i.e. the Dem outperforms the poll)?; 6/20/17, 10:48 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Donald Trump Jr. ✔ @DonaldJTrumpJr
Congratulations dems that's the most expensive participation medal ev... um since November. #maga
9:16 PM - 20 Jun 2017
5,408 5,408 Retweets 14,184 14,184 likes; 6/20/17, 10:48 PM
chickelit said...: exiledonmainstreet quotes...
Ellen L. Carmichael ✔ @ellencarmichael
Get your narrative glasses on, folks:

1) “It shouldn’t have been this close.”
2) “The rain depressed Dem turnout.”
3) “Voter suppression."
6:41 PM - 20 Jun 2017

The rain can be blamed on Global Warming and thus on Trump.; 6/20/17, 10:48 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Bad Lieutenant, are you saying Dems are in power?; 6/20/17, 10:49 PM
Birches said...: I just gotta say. The schadenfreude never gets old...; 6/20/17, 10:51 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Donald Trump Jr. = poor winner. The anger is also palpable.; 6/20/17, 10:51 PM
Fen said...: "The rain depressed Dem turnout"

Special Snowflakes don't do well in rain.

"Trump is Hitler! The GOP is coming to BBQ grandama! Rally up and send these Fascists a message...oh... It's raining. Nevermind"; 6/20/17, 10:51 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Despair not, Dems! Super-genius Sally Kohn knows what you need to do:

Sally Kohn ✔ @sallykohn
Best thing that could come out of the #GA06 results is for Democratic Party to finally give up its self-destructive obsession with centrism
9:19 PM - 20 Jun 2017

Yep. That's the ticket! The Dems need to go further left!; 6/20/17, 10:53 PM
Once written, twice... said...: While not a majority, Trump has developed a large base of support that he has convinced to go along with his politics of resentment. Is that a governing strategy? So, far it does not look like it. But we will see.; 6/20/17, 10:56 PM
Fen said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 6/20/17, 10:56 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Once written, twice... said...
Bad Lieutenant, are you saying Dems are in power?
6/20/17, 10:49 PM

Once written, before I answer, is there any point in engaging you seriously? Are you prepared to engage seriously? Because I'd rather not waste my time with someone who isn't prepared to engage seriously.; 6/20/17, 10:57 PM
Bay Area Guy said...: The Dems have concocted a phony Russian-Collusion story. They are trying to ride it towards a House win in 2018, and a Trump impeachment.

But that dog ain't hunting.; 6/20/17, 10:59 PM
Fen said...: "And how we burned in the camps later. Thinking, what would it have been like if... it hadn't been raining" - Alexsandr Solzhenitsy, The Gulag Archipelago; 6/20/17, 10:59 PM
Bob Ellison said...: Among men, insults are party. A good insult earns laughs, even from the guy insulted.; 6/20/17, 11:00 PM
Gahrie said...: Everybody (and I do mean everybody, I haven't seen a single mention anywhere) is forgetting that there was a second Congressional special election tonight in North Carolina that the Republicans won, making them 2-0 tonight, and I believe 8-0 since November.; 6/20/17, 11:01 PM
Gahrie said...: How can this be a "Dem led coup" as Drago claims? Dems are not in power.

Coups, by definition, are never led by those in power....; 6/20/17, 11:05 PM
Original Mike said...: South Carolina.; 6/20/17, 11:05 PM
Gahrie said...: I stand corrected; 6/20/17, 11:07 PM
Michael K said...: "So, far it does not look like it. But we will see."

I think your party is the one with lists of Congressmen to assassinate.

Does that bother you at all?

How about 50,000 people who came out to vote who didn't vote in the last election.

Any lessons ?; 6/20/17, 11:07 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Gahrie, no sir, I did reference the Carolina election as well. Fwiw.; 6/20/17, 11:08 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Gabriel, do you think Dems are going to convince the military to carry out a coup against Trump?; 6/20/17, 11:11 PM
eric said...: Blogger exiledonmainstreet said...
Despair not, Dems! Super-genius Sally Kohn knows what you need to do:

Sally Kohn ✔ @sallykohn
Best thing that could come out of the #GA06 results is for Democratic Party to finally give up its self-destructive obsession with centrism
9:19 PM - 20 Jun 2017

Yep. That's the ticket! The Dems need to go further left!

I don't know what she is worried about.

The Dems always campaign to the center and govern to the left or far left. The Republicans campaign to the right and always govern in the middle or to the left of center.; 6/20/17, 11:11 PM
Birkel said...: Lamentations of women...
Or PB&J, OET, TTR and "Inga"...

Pretty satisfying either way.; 6/20/17, 11:11 PM
Michael Fitzgerald said...: During Osoff's concession speech, he mentioned how "the women of the district pulled him through"- This was followed by a long resounding self-congratulatory cheer from the many democrat party feminists there who are all about sisterhood...I mean the democrat party.

And "unexpectedly", the common reaction from democrat party members is No More Centrist Candidates!!!! Obviously the party must move to the left- That's where the people are!; 6/20/17, 11:12 PM
Bay Area Guy said...: All those 50-year old bored housewives of Atlanta will have to yearn for someone other than Jack Ossoff.; 6/20/17, 11:12 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Gahrie, I think you're wasting your time with Onesie. He's just messing with you.; 6/20/17, 11:12 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Gabrie, do you believe that Dems are going to convince congressional Republicans to impeach and remove Trump?; 6/20/17, 11:12 PM
chickelit said...: Scary thing about the Dems is if the put together spending crazy amounts on elections with spending crazy amounts on criminals to affect politics.; 6/20/17, 11:13 PM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: It's an indication of the sad state of journalism that I had to click about four articles before I could find one with the vote percentages and totals. For crying out loud, put that stuff at the *top* before you start going on about what it means.

To be fair, it was at the top of the NYT when I finally went there. Props to them, I just never think of going there for news.; 6/20/17, 11:14 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "How about 50,000 people who came out to vote who didn't vote in the last election."

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/georgia-house-district-6-price-stooksbury

v

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/georgia-congressional-runoff-ossoff-handel; 6/20/17, 11:14 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Gahrie, let's try some of that silent treatment Ann is pushing. One-time can't even spell your name right.; 6/20/17, 11:14 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Spell check screws up Gahrie's name.; 6/20/17, 11:16 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Blogger 3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...
"How about 50,000

PBJ, you often do this thing where you have nothing to say yourself, but only insert links.

Since you don't bother to use the a href syntax, they're not clickable. So I never follow them and I doubt most people do unless they're fooled by your earnest demeanor. In other words I'm guessing nobody ever follows them.

Why don't you actually say something yourself? What am I saying, keep on going the way you're going.; 6/20/17, 11:16 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Once written, twice... said...
Spell check screws up Gahrie's name.

Don't you mean "Sorry, spell check screws up Gahrie's name?"; 6/20/17, 11:18 PM
Drago said...: This is my "online impression" of 3rdgrader:

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/26472/the-best-chicken-soup-ever/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZzEzDkeHzI

I think you get my meaning....; 6/20/17, 11:18 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Lamentations of women...
Pretty satisfying"

Don't worry, we'll give a ya a do-over. In you exuberance ya forgot that it's not cool to be satisfied by the sorrow of gals.

It's not like you revealed that you're a sicko.

Carry on.; 6/20/17, 11:19 PM
Fen said...: "to impeach and remove Trump"

Impeach Trump for what?

The high crime of Mumble Something Mumble?

Althouse should do a post on whether Mumble Something Mumble rises to the level of an impeachable offense.; 6/20/17, 11:20 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Since you don't bother to use the a href syntax, they're not clickable."

I actually do know that code.

But, I like folks to know where the links go w/o hovering (assuming their browser works this way).

So, if ya see a NYT link, and ya hate NYT, ya don't gots to waste your time.; 6/20/17, 11:21 PM
Drago said...: You will be very happy to know that the Not Angry At All What Are You Talking About Dems are now focusing heavily on the "clear" and "undeniable" Russian hacking of the voting machines in Georgia as well as gerrymandering.

You will be pleased because, obviously, the lefties are not prepared (capable?) of introspection, adaptation and adjustment.

Lets hope these rocket scientists (including the "incomparable" Sally Kohn) continue to dominate the dem party in 2018.; 6/20/17, 11:22 PM
Krumhorn said...: I suspect the only lesson the lefties will learn from this is that they need to be even nastier little shits.

- Krumhorn; 6/20/17, 11:23 PM
Drago said...: Krumhorn: "I suspect the only lesson the lefties will learn from this is that they need to be even nastier little shits"

I suspect you are correct.; 6/20/17, 11:23 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: PBJ, there is that, but again, you don't say anything yourself, all you do is add the links. See if you can figure out why that's a problem without my spelling it out for you.; 6/20/17, 11:24 PM
William said...: I was glad to see that all those men in Georgia were, at long last, able to overcome their misogynistic biases and elect a woman.......I was afraid Ossoff was going to win. He's really cute. Women turn out in droves for the cute candidate. They're not misogynistic like men. They'll vote for the cute candidate in a heartbeat.; 6/20/17, 11:25 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: And "unexpectedly", the common reaction from democrat party members is No More Centrist Candidates!!!! Obviously the party must move to the left- That's where the people are!

6/20/17, 11:12 PM

Ossoff talked a centrist game because he wasn't running in Pelosi's district. If he had been more openly leftist, he would have lost by a huge margin.

If Dems think moving more to the left is going to help them - well, good luck with that.; 6/20/17, 11:25 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Trump is going to feel even more emboldened to push beyond our country's political and legal norms. It will be fascinating to watch how it plays out.

BTW, continental Europe sees for the first time since the end of the Second World War the opportunity to take back the reins and be the leaders of the western world. They are doing so at the expense of Great Britain (which will be just England once Scotland and Northern Ireland break off) and Trump led America.

How will Trump respond to this?; 6/20/17, 11:27 PM
Fen said...: Last night Inga had to come in and rescue Ritmo.

Guys, if I ever put myself in a position where I need to be saved by the likes of Inga, just take me out back and put me down. Consider this post my waiver re any criminal charges. It would be a Mercy. Thanks.; 6/20/17, 11:27 PM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: Um, the link thing is not either or.

For instance, here's the SC special election:

http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article157277334.html; 6/20/17, 11:30 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Bad L,

As best as I can tell, I'm the only person who comments here and gives zero Fs (the metric du jour) if anyone gives any Fs what about what I'm writing.

Y'all can't begin to fathom the other things I'm currently doing that rank above this, re my attention or care.

Not that there's anything wrong w/ the POVs of the rest of y'all. It's adorable.; 6/20/17, 11:30 PM
Gahrie said...: Trump is going to feel even more emboldened to push beyond our country's political and legal norms

So he's going to behave like Obama?; 6/20/17, 11:32 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: PB wrote:"Don't worry, we'll give a ya a do-over. In you exuberance ya forgot that it's not cool to be satisfied by the sorrow of gals."

Hey, I'm happy. Rene Saunce is happy. And we know the winner of the election, Karen Hughes is happy. It will be interesting to see the gender breakdown of the voters. I'll bet there are lots of happy women in that district tonight.

But of course, like I noted, only pro-abortion liberal "gals" in pussy hats are women in your eyes.

I'm thinking those angry harpies probably won some votes - for Hughes.; 6/20/17, 11:33 PM
Earnest Prole said...: Doesn't mean that much to me to mean that much to you.; 6/20/17, 11:33 PM
Bad Lieutenant said...: Tell better, PBJ. Inga for one beat you to it. It's not a great way to be.

And what are you doing at 1230am that's "more important?" Fapping?; 6/20/17, 11:34 PM
Fen said...: "How will Trump respond to this?"

Same way he responded to the Paris accords. With one sentence Trump turned Merkel into a paper tiger and destroyed the illusion that Germany is anything more than a regional power.

ontinental Europe is currently experiencing a slow suicide by stupidity. All we have to do is wait them out. They can't even protect their women and children. Because that would be islamaphobic.

What Trump needs to do is identity the political philosophy that cut off Europe's balls, and exterminate it back here in America.; 6/20/17, 11:35 PM
Gahrie said...: BTW, continental Europe sees for the first time since the end of the Second World War the opportunity to take back the reins and be the leaders of the western world.

Oh shit..you're kidding..right?

Most of them are too busy sucking at the teat of American foriegn aid, and all of them are sheltering beneath are military protection.; 6/20/17, 11:37 PM
Fen said...: We decline to be lectured on "cool" by the crowd that has been rolling around the floor in a snit and holding their breath till they turn blue for the last 7 months.; 6/20/17, 11:37 PM
Sprezzatura said...: And what are you doing at 1230am that's "more important?"

W/ luck this is a two hours of sleep night. More likely zero.

Anywho, just flippin' tacos. The Bell is open 24 hours, and I'm the lead taco stuffer.; 6/20/17, 11:40 PM
Fen said...: "Trump is going to be even more emboldened to push beyond political and legal norms"

Fine by me.

Too bad you guys blew your wad on fake Russian collusion.

"Trump is doing Mumble Something Mumble again!!! And this time we are super serious!!!"

Public: (yawn) aw hell not this shit again...; 6/20/17, 11:42 PM
Fen said...: Taco Bell rocks 3rd. I take back half the mean things I said about you.; 6/20/17, 11:44 PM
wholelottasplainin said...: MY SCHADENBONER IS UTTERLY OUT OF CONTROL!; 6/20/17, 11:44 PM
Once written, twice... said...: Fen, why are Republicans in Congress and in the Justice Department continuing to investigate it then?

I will predict that Trump will fire the independent counsel who has not been on the job even a month yet.; 6/20/17, 11:47 PM
AMDG said...: One thing not mentioned is that Ossoff looks like he needs to have the crap beat out of him. Even supporters I know acknowledged this.

In the real world nobody likes to vote for the guy who spent his college years in student government. That is one step away from being President of the "Living with Herpes" Club.; 6/20/17, 11:50 PM
Sprezzatura said...: "Taco Bell rocks 3rd."

I didn't intend to open this line. But, even though, in truth, I haven't been to one in more than 18 months, and even then it's essentially an annual event, the variability of the management of TBs is extremely annoying, imho.

I know of one that stuffs a taco w/ plenty of ingredients and also is efficient re the drive thru.

And, I know of one that feels like torture in the drive thru (because of the slowness) and they once gave me the so-called premium tacos w/ nothing but lettuce in a shell. WTF? They said nothing, e.g., 'sorry we ran out of meat (or pink slime) and cheese and tomatoes and sour cream.' I assumed they were Fing w/ me cause I'm was in an F--not Ford.

Haters.; 6/20/17, 11:57 PM
chickelit said...: Fen, why are Republicans in Congress and in the Justice Department continuing to investigate it then?

It pays well, doesn't it?; 6/20/17, 11:58 PM
Quaestor said...: Ossoff $250/vote
Handel $30/vote

There's a lesson here. If given $250 dollars the average Democrat buys $200 worth of crystal meth and a $50 whore. After exhausting himself in depravity he sleeps through election day. If given $30 the average Republican fuels his pickup and drives to the polling place.; 6/20/17, 11:58 PM
Original Mike said...: "I will predict that Trump will fire the independent counsel who has not been on the job even a month yet."

...and that the Republicans will impeach Trump in order to install Pence, and that the Dow will fall below 20,000 and never recover, ...; 6/21/17, 12:01 AM
Fen said...: 3rd we agree. We have a Taco Bell south of us that is excruciatingly slow, to the point that I park and walk in to place a to go order, and tbey always screw it up.

Then there's one to our north that suspiciously fast (telepathy?) and incapable of messing up the most complex orders. I'd wager if I ordered a cheeseburger they would have it for me.; 6/21/17, 12:15 AM
Fen said...: "I predict Trump will fire Mueller"

I predict Mueller will clear Trump. And he will say "look, I hired all these Obama thugs and Clinton hitmen, and even THEY couldn't find anything wrong"; 6/21/17, 12:19 AM
HoodlumDoodlum said...: Braves lost but Handel won.
You have to laugh, you just have to.
Ossoff won the yard sign war in Brookhaven at least 8 to 1...but lost the election.
Laughter.

Dude got trolled into proposing to his girlfriend, spent $30M of out of state Leftist cash, and lost. Try not to laugh!; 6/21/17, 12:20 AM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: It seems it is a lesson that must be learned over and over. The local "Moe's" was great with the first staff & management, then both turned over and it went into the pit. It's hard to ruin a good concept like "Moe's", but you can do it if you stop wiping the tables, run out of important stuff like lettuce (and don't tell the customer until they've started the order), make the rice crunchy and forget how to make the burritos spread out correctly (so that it is consistent throughout, not one bite all rice, one bite all guac, one bite all beans etc). Same with "Wendy's". WHen they came to town in the 70s, you could get a great burger, customized from scratch almost as fast as you could walk through, then they took their eyes off the prize. Franchasise owners -- you've got to get good managers. Managers -- you've got to let someone who can't roll a burrito go.; 6/21/17, 12:22 AM
Yancey Ward said...: What does Sally Kohn think- if Ossoff had tried to pass himself off as a centrist, he would have lost by 20 points minimum.

Please, Democrats, listen to Sally!; 6/21/17, 12:22 AM
Fen said...: But it doesn't matter, even if Mueller proves that Trump is Putin in drag, we won't care.

Your side refuses to respect the results of the election. So my side shall refuse to respect the results of the investigation.

The new rules and all.; 6/21/17, 12:23 AM
Yancey Ward said...: That should have read "if Ossoff hadn't tried to pass himself off as a centrist".; 6/21/17, 12:23 AM
Sprezzatura said...: OK,

If we're goin' deep on TB, I know of an Indian (not the native sort) who came here and started as a worker at TB and then a cab driver, but eventually came to own a few gas stations (I know, sounds uber cliche, but it's true (of course they did get initial financing from fellow Indians before building to the point that they could go to banks..

Anywho, the dude told me that his TB experience taught him that the franchises can vary massively depending on how they're run.

Don't get me started on Costco. And other NW folks.; 6/21/17, 12:29 AM