I'm going to be honest: There reaches a witching hour where I just don't post come here most days because I know that after a certain point, it's just angry people yelling at each other, presumably because they're up beyond their bed time.
I usually don't see the late afternoon and evening posts and comments until early the next morning. They go great with coffee and I get to start off the day with a good laugh!
Once the sun is over the yardarm, commenting gets more boisterous. The pissing matches are a drag, especially when they concern procedural matters, such as who should get banned for being personally insulting.
In the morning everyone is on drugs (caffiene) and happily charged up. In the afternoon everyone is tired and needs a nap and by evening most people have been drinking. Meade is astute in his observations.
Surfed, how much drinking, or drinking to excess since I assume one glass does not a troll make, do you think goes on here? Maybe poll-worthy...anyway it is the pity of the world to see a commentariat of our parts obnubilate its faculties with the juice of the grape (the barleycorn, the poppy, the herb, etc).
I honestly don't know why people drink to excess, over and over again. Doesn't one learn when one has had enough?
I think morning blow-jobs are best. I mean, getting my Horse Cock sucked by a hot brown man who barely speaks English is great at any time of day, but in the morning I find my ejaculatory power is at it's prime -- when I shoot my load I can practically hit the ceiling, and my condo has high ceilings, natch....
The problem is finding the hot brown men in the morning: it's not like I'm going to let them stay over at the condo from the night before: Ew...
You can sometimes find them at the coffee shops, reading their laptops, but it is harder to get them into cock-sucking this early in the morning: it's like that is their time when they are most reticent about sucking a man's cock -- like, maybe they're emailing their mother back home, and Mother Does Not Like Son Having The Gay Sex...
It's best to find someone who just finished a night shift: night shift work means they're poor, and I've found that the poor usually give better blow-jobs, they're not thinking so much...
The problem is that, by the end of their shift, their breath is pretty bad -- some of the things these people eat!! -- and having some guy with bad breath sucking your Horse Cock can kill the moment: I don't want my cock smelling like lamb shawarma when we're done, thank you...
But I keep spare toothbrushes in the condo so they can clean themselves up before they get near my cock. Of course, if they have REALLY bad teeth I'm not letting them anywhere near my condo -- some people have mouths that are only meant for sucking cocks at bus stations....
I could not agree more, and it's especially obvious to those of us who live on the West Coast. By 5 or 6 PM Pacific time you can almost smell the comments from the East.
"Night time comments are awful. Angry and hateful, insulting to each other. Little thought evident."
I think it's fine that the night is different from the morning, as it is in many aspects of life. But it should be good. It could be wilder, more experimental, etc.
Pretty much agree with Meade. Late late night tends to be a shouting match between left and right. It might be the boredom of being up in the middle of the night, when the world around them is asleep. The two sleep issue that Ann blogged about a week or two ago explains why I am up then - but I mostly don't have an interest in mud slinging, so just read the comments. My problem is that I am addicted to Ann's Altblog, and have been for many years, obsessively, compulsively, checking the blog for new postings that might be interesting, and the comment threads that I have found interesting, around the clock.
Does she like the morning crew who greet her posts with cheerful eye rolls? Or does she prefer the full-on Fen treatment she can only get later in the day?
French Writer Michel Houllenbecq on whether he was surprised by Trump's victory: "In France we thought everybody liked Obama, but maybe the media were lying. Maybe they didn't."
Yes, Michel, they were lying.
Apparently much of the world hasn't figured out that the media lies.
It's a normal distribution. First impressions, first. Reconciliation, regurgitation second. Desperation, tiredness, recycling, last. Witches and warlocks at the tail's end.
exiledonmainstreet said... I'm cheerful and happy this morning! And you?
I'm generally grumpy and sarcastic in the morning and consider reading politics/pop-culture blogs like this one a bad habit especially in the morning now that it's getting too hot to comfortably wilderness-dog-walk later in the day after which I don't care much one way or the other about all the stupid opinions on the stupid internet or even poor punctuation thanks for asking!
If being popular with the rest of the world based on who we elect President is so all important, we might as well just appoint Johnny Depp president-for-life and be done with it.
OMG, hilarious Laslo, but my unit is actually a loft, not a condo. Us loft owners do not look kindly on "condo" owners. Two breeds apart really doll.
Also, last Friday I did a guy from Camaroon. I don't think I have ever had a Carmaroonian before. Anywho, he actually lives in Praque, is a surgeon, and was in Cambridge for some seminar. He gave great head. So of course I thoroughly researched Camaroon this weekend. Both monogamous and polygamous marriage is practiced in Camaroon...fyi. The economy is pretty stable at a 4.4% unemployment rate. Be careful about the monsoons in Camaroon!
The dislike of Trump by the rest of the world makes the narrative that Democrats here in the US are just upset that their candidate lost, come into question. The rest of the world sees him for what he is too. Trump's incompetency poses a risk to the entire world. It has very little to do with wanting a President who is popular with the rest of the world.
Popularity is for idiots and socialites. Effectiveness for America is what I admire in a President. The fact the whole world loved the idea of Obama being president just reinforced my impression the guy was an empty suit, a malevolent force in the body politic. That he proceeded to piss off our allies, encourage our enemies and sow chaos across the globe verified my impression was more closely aligned with reality than was the Obama-worshiping global media circle-jerk.
And yes, the trolls come out late afternoon and absolutely ruin the night threads with repetitive, banal posts. Those of us with real jobs often get distracted during the "best" parts of the day, but a lot depends on what Althouse posts and when she posts it.
Most of the dark swarthies I am with like their nipples sucked or are constantly tweaking their own titties. I am not into nipple play...fyi...it really does nothing for me. But I will suck on the swarthies nipples if he likes it-but I won't bite them-I have my limits.
A number of evening commenters don't understand the difference between productive and unproductive conflict, or how mind-numbing ad hominem attacks are. It's like listening to drunken parents run through the same late-night arguments for the thousandth time.
lastly, the guy has got to be hard when we are doing it. yes, it is all about me, but that doesn't mean the guy can be soft. I hate a soft dick. back to work.
The rest of the world also reads Trump's tweets and sees/hears his speeches.
6/27/17, 9:37 AM
And they are told by CNN just what to think of them.
But the rest of the world has never understood America - American individualism, American freedom, the American personality. They swing between resentment and envy.
Actually, I think many native-born leftists don't understand America either, which is why they clamor for a massive European-style nanny state.
"I'm generally grumpy and sarcastic in the morning and consider reading politics/pop-culture blogs like this one a bad habit especially in the morning now that it's getting too hot to comfortably wilderness-dog-walk later in the day after which I don't care much one way or the other about all the stupid opinions on the stupid internet or even poor punctuation thanks for asking!"
I've been here since 2005 I think I got here from Insty or JustOneMinute late in 2004, but didn't look in anyone's comments at first, and then just lurked until I took the plunge sometime in 2005 (or was that JOM?) It seems like most blog comments were more thoughtful & erudite (except mine) and less partisan then.
Doesn't citing other people's opinions as reasons Americans should change imply the standard setter believes those values are more important than ours? Why would Americans think the rest of the world's opinions are more important than their own?
Why would Americans think the rest of the world's opinions are more important than their own?
6/27/17, 9:56 AM
Exactly. An argument for how we should conform to the wishes and dictates of other peoples isn't a winning one.
Inga, didn't your mother ever warn you about not mindlessly going along with whatever your friends do? "If they all want to jump off a cliff, you don't have to follow them."
I think it's just the nature of this medium. You do most of your posting early in the day, Ann. Engagement in the comments follows a certain pattern: early comments usually stake out the various sides of the debate, subsequent comments thrash out the arguments of those various viewpoints. A lot of good stuff usually comes up, but, since there's really no end-game here, the conversation eventually peters out as people go get on with their lives.
If you posted mostly in the evening, I think you might see the same pattern. But perhaps people are crankier after a long day....
Most Americans came from different parts of the world because they found life unbearable for whatever reason. America tried to stay isolated from the rest of the world, but the world kept fighting with each other and led the US to intervene in the 20th century. Part of Trump's bad reputation is him resisting the rest of the world wanting to leave their part of the world and come here.
The world doesn't really have a good record that lends credence to its opinions.
Which doesn't say anything positive or negative about Trump himself, just that the world has a bad record in discerning wise leadership.
It's a bit like asking someone who has been divorced 5 times to offer their opinion about my marriage. They may indeed have some insights, but much of what they think isn't really helpful as they don't really know what a good marriage looks like.
No one in the world likes you when you tell them that they have to live up to their responsibilities, and not continually expect the US to cover their back. Trump has been a horrible awakening for the countries that are listed. The one I get the biggest kick out of is Germany. For the first time since WWII the Germans are being forced to realize that they will have to defend Germany with German bodies not American bodies. They are having a really hard time facing up to that.
Here's a piece in the WSJ about the Germans current attitude toward the military as it applies in the ME. The subhead says it all: "The country is surprised its military faces danger in Syria. But what then does it think its military is for?"
Interesting people are not threatened by people who think differently than they do; boring people are. Add alcohol, mix poorly, and you have an evening Althouse comment thread.
"Why would Americans think the rest of the world's opinions are more important than their own?"
Half of America is now seeing that the world's opinion of Trump reflects their own opinion of him. When the majority of the world agrees with you, it isn't insignificant.
The dislike of Trump by the rest of the world makes the narrative that Democrats here in the US are just upset that their candidate lost, come into question.
Has anyone else noticed that Inga has not mentioned Russia today ?
"True, but Obama was a quick study, can't say the same for Trump."
Oh, Trump's learned damn fast. He's learned he can't trust the media to report the truth, he put a great justice on the SCOTUS, he's rolling back useless regulations...I'm happy.
What Obama was really, really good at was losing Democratic seats at all levels of the government. And reading from the teleprompter.
Sorry, we on the left don't ignore the truly huge implications of a President possibly being compromised by the Russians.
Revealingly when Obama told Medvedev he will "have more leeway after the election" the left had no concern. Of course that was completely different since there was actual evidence.
It's cute when the left pretends to care about America even as they damage America with their Russian fantasies to support their partisan hate.
The only thing that the Russia obsession reveals is something we found out for the first time in 2000 - that the Left cannot bear losing an election and cannot cope with defeat gracefully.
Yes, conservatives were depressed and angry in '08 and '12. We didn't pitch a months-long temper tantrum. The Tea Party arose in opposition to Obama's policies; it wasn't simply a hissy fit over the very idea of the man himself occupying the Oval Office. The anti-Trump protests began before all the votes were counted.
I for one anxiously await the outfitting and arming of the Rob Reiner Hollywood Battalion of All Out War and Death--Death I Tell You!!!
The nation trembles at the proclamations from this modern day John Brown who will do whatever it takes, By Any Means Necessary, to rescue the nation from the clutches of democracy gone astray!
To the ramparts comrades!! You have nothing to lose but your day trips to the spa, capers on your omelettes and arugula!!
Inga: "True, but Obama was a quick study, can't say the same for Trump."
LOL
Putin found obambi infinitely malleable.
Infinitely.
Which is why Putin is sitting pretty on top of 20% of the US Uranium reserves. 20%.
And if Hillary had been elected there were deals in place to take that % much higher.
Much.
Just think of the additional "donations" to the Clinton slush funds and speech fees for Bill that transfer would have delivered into Hillary's clutches.
Drago, you are aware that Uranium is not a particularly rare element. It's not like there is a shortage. We have an open economy, if a Russian business buys a mine it is not a huge deal. And, we can always nationalize the mine if it does prove to be a problem, just like Venezuela. I am sure you would be onboard with that option, given your enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy.
It is now afternoon in the Eastern Time Zone, so I will gratefully abstain from answering. Personally I do much of my blog reading in the evening or after midnight and although based upon how strongly I react to the topic, I usually write a response before reading what others say - as i am doing now. As a result, I rarely ever recognize the time of day when a response is posted. I actually find it hard to believe that anyone really looks at posting times.
I've been around since 2002 I think. Don't comment much anymore. The quality of the Leftists who post here is very low. Lower than when Crack Emcee and garage were still posting openly (I think an Unknown may be garage). Yes, lower than that.
If you are an intellectual conservative you can have great conversations here with smart, like-minded people... and that can be fun and educational...but I like getting into the meat of things and there isn't a Lefty who posts here that can make an intelligent, rational argument.
Just look at Inga: Yesterday she posted her complete misunderstanding of the Supreme Court stay of the lower court's injunction. Does she own her mistake and learn? No. She goes on line and grabs whatever face-saving spin she can conjure up. Does she have the intellect to actually digest and interpret what she is reading and posting. Clearly, the answer is no.
There is nothing to be gained to engaging her other than that perverse joy of watching an idiot self-destruct. That isn't enough.
And Inga is just an example. Cookie is thought by some to be the most honest of the Lefties here, but he's just Inga with a better vocabulary and fewer daughters.
I had hopes to find a smart, well-informed, rational group of people who simply have different political beliefs than mine with whom I could have a good back-and-forth. But that is not the case here, with the sole exception of our hostess. And she has clearly become more conservative over the years, which is gratifying.
ARM wrote: " I am sure you would be onboard with that option, given your enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy."
Reminding leftists of their love of Hugo Chavez and pointing out what become of Venezuela as a result of socialism is not expressing enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy. It is a subject leftists seem to want to avoid these days.
"I had hopes to find a smart, well-informed, rational group of people who simply have different political beliefs than mine with whom I could have a good back-and-forth. "
Sane leftists are rare as hen's teeth these days. Trump's driven them all bonkers.
Similar to Godwin's law is this: Any online discussion that goes on long enough will end up in ad hominem attacks.
I can recall as far back as the usenet bulletin boards of the 90s, that even in a thread about selling a used refrigerator, the longer the thread went on it led to arguments over things like which brand is best, over the mechanics and physics behind refrigeration, etc., and then dissolved into a back-and-forth of personal insults. It was kinda funny watching the thread evolve. Unfortunately, today's political arguments have become predictable, repetitive and the insults get boring very quickly. Not much entertainment value to be found.
And she has clearly become more conservative over the years, which is gratifying. I noticed that too when I returned after 4 years offline. Must be the kooky husband.
And she has clearly become more conservative over the years, which is gratifying. I noticed that too when I returned after 4 years offline. Must be the kooky husband.
That and getting away from the University environment.
I fear that Titus' review of Laslo's parody of Titus' self-parody will trigger a singularity of hilarity and we will all be sucked up into a black hole. So to speak.
Earnest Prole said... A number of evening commenters don't understand the difference between productive and unproductive conflict, or how mind-numbing ad hominem attacks are. It's like listening to drunken parents run through the same late-night arguments for the thousandth time. 6/27/17, 9:29 AM
Chuck or somebody had an interesting notion a day or two ago: that President Trump would flip parties and run in 2020 as the Democratic candidate.
I have long thought that if he did, number one, he would get the nomination, the Democrats would accept him and promote him with vigor, forgetting, denying, twisting all their criticisms of the past; and number two, the Republicans would lose to him.
Blogger Earnest Prole said... Show us how it's done.
Preach it brother!
6/27/17, 7:50 PM
No offense, EP, but really, you are trolling. You never have anything interesting to say of your own. Now you will consult your Magic 8-Ball and crank out some mindless, meaningless reply like "distinctions not cost-effective," but the question is, why do you do it? I ask to know.
Don't worry, I'm not awaiting a cogent reply. I suspect you are some kind of stunt. Someone's puppet, maybe I shouldn't say whose. Maybe a bot, you are that content-free. Whatever. Live long and prosper.
Get over yourself, Michael K. And stop being a one-man critic. Bad enough you have to act like a tattle tail.
Just grow up already. No one cares to hear you come in and announce that you're leaving and that one (or two or five) people have made things too unpleasant for someone as unneighborly as yourself.
The degree to which you seek to control this blog and its comments section is astonishing.
Meade: You're enough of a man to not let Michael K assert control over you and Ann. He's trying to run your blog for you, and it's obnoxious and not his place to do so.
He needs to understand that he's not the boss of you.
You have not noticed everyone else complaining about you ?
"He's trying to run your blog for you, and it's obnoxious and not his place to do so. "
I don;t want to run anything. I have two other blogs. I like the exchange with some other commenters, not you who seem always to be hysterical and angry. Have you ever posted anything that was positive ?
At least it is morning now and, like all good vampires, you are probably asleep. The rest of us can have some interesting discussion about airplanes or Normandy invasions or anything but Trump.
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135 comments:
Trolls sleep in.
This poll is rigged.
I put it up in the morning.
You Putin it up in the morning.
Collusion!
Early comments are like yeast.
Or something.
I'm going to be honest: There reaches a witching hour where I just don't post come here most days because I know that after a certain point, it's just angry people yelling at each other, presumably because they're up beyond their bed time.
Night time comments are awful. Angry and hateful, insulting to each other. Little thought evident.
I usually don't see the late afternoon and evening posts and comments until early the next morning. They go great with coffee and I get to start off the day with a good laugh!
Another reason Meade needs to stay off the roof in the late afternoon. Things slip when we are tired.
I'll raise a tankard of mead in response to this post.
Oh, I'm sure his models prove it is true. There's a 0.7 degree increase in idiocy. The science of Althousian commentary is settled.
Once the sun is over the yardarm, commenting gets more boisterous. The pissing matches are a drag, especially when they concern procedural matters, such as who should get banned for being personally insulting.
Matthew Sablan is right.
Cut back the night blogging. More snuggle time instead.
Did the guy in this picture (cut and paste to browser, and scroll down) wear shorts for his meeting with President Trump in the White House?
https://click.mail.whitehouse.gov/?qs=d0d303c9788562e717fdc504fbf292e5ca6ba5c391d801fe85588d9608d2f78c706a97884e0b018262af3b1ba649898f02a33ecda39a2aff
(Does this comment support or refute Mead's theory?)
In the morning everyone is on drugs (caffiene) and happily charged up. In the afternoon everyone is tired and needs a nap and by evening most people have been drinking. Meade is astute in his observations.
I didn't vote because...I don't read the blog in the evening. Case in point?
Good morning Althousians!
Trumpski News Network: Reuters survey details change in confidence in US President from Obama to Trump:
Germany -75% (the '-' is a minus)
S Korea -71%
France -70%
Canada -61%
UK -57%
Japan -54%
Russia +42%
That should make every Trumpski happy ... The World hates you as much as you hate them except for Russia. What a surprise!
Surfed, how much drinking, or drinking to excess since I assume one glass does not a troll make, do you think goes on here? Maybe poll-worthy...anyway it is the pity of the world to see a commentariat of our parts obnubilate its faculties with the juice of the grape (the barleycorn, the poppy, the herb, etc).
I honestly don't know why people drink to excess, over and over again. Doesn't one learn when one has had enough?
Blogger Unknown said...
Trumpski News Network
Good morning Trumpski! I trust you slept well?
Domitian, the Proud Sexy Gay Commenter says...
I think morning blow-jobs are best. I mean, getting my Horse Cock sucked by a hot brown man who barely speaks English is great at any time of day, but in the morning I find my ejaculatory power is at it's prime -- when I shoot my load I can practically hit the ceiling, and my condo has high ceilings, natch....
The problem is finding the hot brown men in the morning: it's not like I'm going to let them stay over at the condo from the night before: Ew...
You can sometimes find them at the coffee shops, reading their laptops, but it is harder to get them into cock-sucking this early in the morning: it's like that is their time when they are most reticent about sucking a man's cock -- like, maybe they're emailing their mother back home, and Mother Does Not Like Son Having The Gay Sex...
It's best to find someone who just finished a night shift: night shift work means they're poor, and I've found that the poor usually give better blow-jobs, they're not thinking so much...
The problem is that, by the end of their shift, their breath is pretty bad -- some of the things these people eat!! -- and having some guy with bad breath sucking your Horse Cock can kill the moment: I don't want my cock smelling like lamb shawarma when we're done, thank you...
But I keep spare toothbrushes in the condo so they can clean themselves up before they get near my cock. Of course, if they have REALLY bad teeth I'm not letting them anywhere near my condo -- some people have mouths that are only meant for sucking cocks at bus stations....
Bye, everyone! Suck suck!
I am Laslo.
I could not agree more, and it's especially obvious to those of us who live on the West Coast. By 5 or 6 PM Pacific time you can almost smell the comments from the East.
"Night time comments are awful. Angry and hateful, insulting to each other. Little thought evident."
I think it's fine that the night is different from the morning, as it is in many aspects of life. But it should be good. It could be wilder, more experimental, etc.
Oh, my, I'm ever so concerned with what the French think....
"Trumpski News Network: Reuters survey details change in confidence in US President from Obama to Trump:
Germany -75% (the '-' is a minus)
S Korea -71%
France -70%
Canada -61%
UK -57%
Japan -54%
Russia +42%
That should make every Trumpski happy ... The World hates you as much as you hate them except for Russia. What a surprise!"
Now why would Russia love Trump? How strange...
"Did the guy in this picture (cut and paste to browser, and scroll down) wear shorts for his meeting with President Trump in the White House?"
Veterans Affairs...
I'm looking closely. It may be a man with a prosthetic leg on an occasion where display of a veteran's sacrifice was appropriate.
Pretty much agree with Meade. Late late night tends to be a shouting match between left and right. It might be the boredom of being up in the middle of the night, when the world around them is asleep. The two sleep issue that Ann blogged about a week or two ago explains why I am up then - but I mostly don't have an interest in mud slinging, so just read the comments. My problem is that I am addicted to Ann's Altblog, and have been for many years, obsessively, compulsively, checking the blog for new postings that might be interesting, and the comment threads that I have found interesting, around the clock.
Inga at 8:26
Are you trying to skew the poll?
"My problem is that I am addicted to Ann's Altblog, and have been for many years..."
I was just reading back in the archive -- either 2004 or 2005 -- and saw you there. Thanks for the long-term company.
Trumpski News Network: The White House has warned the Syrian government they will face retaliation for any planned chemical attack on its people.
The Pentagon has acknowledged it doesn't know anything about White House preparations for war with Syria.
Ooops.
Althouse,
Nooooo.
Survey details change in confidence in Althuose commenters--
Inga -75% (the '-' is a minus)
Chuck -98%
PB&J -43%
Ritmo Unchanged (0% previously)
Unknown are you getting your information from CNN?
*snicker*
Inga said...
Good morning Althousians!
Good morning, Inga!
I'm cheerful and happy this morning!
And you?
Good morning Exile! I too am cheerful and happy this AM! How very coincidental!
Pew Research has Trump unpopular worldwide.
Read the entire Pew survey.
Most of the world — except for Islamists, socialists, and Hillary Clinton — has a favorable view of Americans.
New retort to certain comments: "Save it for nighttime."
I would like to know how Inga voted.
Does she like the morning crew who greet her posts with cheerful eye rolls? Or does she prefer the full-on Fen treatment she can only get later in the day?
Since the world doesn't vote in American elections, I am entirely indifferent to their opinions regarding Trump.
The world is a fucked up place. That's why so many of them want to come to the US.
Meade,
Yes Americans, but not Trump.
So the world media is caught lying about Trump and his rating suffers.
Except after a terrorist attack. . .
I like you all the same Kevin. We must be tolerant toward poor Fen.
I voted for 2.
The posts are dull all day.
French Writer Michel Houllenbecq on whether he was surprised by Trump's victory: "In France we thought everybody liked Obama, but maybe the media were lying. Maybe they didn't."
Yes, Michel, they were lying.
Apparently much of the world hasn't figured out that the media lies.
The posts are dull all day.
That's a beating!
It's a normal distribution. First impressions, first. Reconciliation, regurgitation second. Desperation, tiredness, recycling, last. Witches and warlocks at the tail's end.
my condo has high ceilings, natch....
Loft, my dear Laslo
exiledonmainstreet said...
I'm cheerful and happy this morning!
And you?
I'm generally grumpy and sarcastic in the morning and consider reading politics/pop-culture blogs like this one a bad habit especially in the morning now that it's getting too hot to comfortably wilderness-dog-walk later in the day after which I don't care much one way or the other about all the stupid opinions on the stupid internet or even poor punctuation thanks for asking!
"Yes Americans, but not Trump."
If being popular with the rest of the world based on who we elect President is so all important, we might as well just appoint Johnny Depp president-for-life and be done with it.
I guess Trump won't be able to appoint any new justices to the Supreme Court or sign any bills until his international popularity improves.
OMG, hilarious Laslo, but my unit is actually a loft, not a condo. Us loft owners do not look kindly on "condo" owners. Two breeds apart really doll.
Also, last Friday I did a guy from Camaroon. I don't think I have ever had a Carmaroonian before. Anywho, he actually lives in Praque, is a surgeon, and was in Cambridge for some seminar. He gave great head. So of course I thoroughly researched Camaroon this weekend. Both monogamous and polygamous marriage is practiced in Camaroon...fyi. The economy is pretty stable at a 4.4% unemployment rate. Be careful about the monsoons in Camaroon!
Meade,
The dislike of Trump by the rest of the world makes the narrative that Democrats here in the US are just upset that their candidate lost, come into question. The rest of the world sees him for what he is too. Trump's incompetency poses a risk to the entire world. It has very little to do with wanting a President who is popular with the rest of the world.
The economy is pretty stable at a 4.4% unemployment rate.
Lots of crossing sweepers.
Popularity is for idiots and socialites. Effectiveness for America is what I admire in a President. The fact the whole world loved the idea of Obama being president just reinforced my impression the guy was an empty suit, a malevolent force in the body politic. That he proceeded to piss off our allies, encourage our enemies and sow chaos across the globe verified my impression was more closely aligned with reality than was the Obama-worshiping global media circle-jerk.
And yes, the trolls come out late afternoon and absolutely ruin the night threads with repetitive, banal posts. Those of us with real jobs often get distracted during the "best" parts of the day, but a lot depends on what Althouse posts and when she posts it.
Most of the dark swarthies I am with like their nipples sucked or are constantly tweaking their own titties. I am not into nipple play...fyi...it really does nothing for me. But I will suck on the swarthies nipples if he likes it-but I won't bite them-I have my limits.
A number of evening commenters don't understand the difference between productive and unproductive conflict, or how mind-numbing ad hominem attacks are. It's like listening to drunken parents run through the same late-night arguments for the thousandth time.
lastly, the guy has got to be hard when we are doing it. yes, it is all about me, but that doesn't mean the guy can be soft. I hate a soft dick. back to work.
"The rest of the world sees him for what he is too."
The rest of the world gets their news from CNN.
"The rest of the world sees him for what he is too"
The rest of the world mostly watches state-owned TV, and their globalist elites dictate the content. The BBC is NPR on steroids.
So the view they get is as false and distorted as the view Democrats get from watching CNN.
The world (outside of Eastern Europe) didn't like Reagan either. So what? Reagan did far more positive good for the world than Obama ever did.
I guess leftists have to take solace where they can these days.
"The rest of the world gets their news from CNN"
The rest of the world also reads Trump's tweets and sees/hears his speeches.
I was just reading back in the archive -- either 2004 or 2005 -- and saw you there. Thanks for the long-term company.
I've been here since 2005....I think Bruce and I are the only ones who have stuck around that long.
Most of the posts from 2004 have no comments...when did you get your first Instalanche?
And his interviews.
Also, last Friday I did a guy from Camaroon.
Cameroon thanks you for showing a moron a good time.
The rest of the world also reads Trump's tweets and sees/hears his speeches.
6/27/17, 9:37 AM
And they are told by CNN just what to think of them.
But the rest of the world has never understood America - American individualism, American freedom, the American personality. They swing between resentment and envy.
Actually, I think many native-born leftists don't understand America either, which is why they clamor for a massive European-style nanny state.
The rest of the world drew their own conclusions. CNN isn't their only source of news. People all over the world read, you know.
Inga is a cancer, mornings and evenings. The best way to defeat cancer is to cut it out.
Well.....it's still morning, and this thread is reduced to back-n-forth between trolls.
Fernandinande said
"I'm generally grumpy and sarcastic in the morning and consider reading politics/pop-culture blogs like this one a bad habit especially in the morning now that it's getting too hot to comfortably wilderness-dog-walk later in the day after which I don't care much one way or the other about all the stupid opinions on the stupid internet or even poor punctuation thanks for asking!"
I take it you missed your microdose of LSD then!
It's called a discussion, mad doggie. No one is being rude.
I've been here since 2005
I think I got here from Insty or JustOneMinute late in 2004, but didn't look in anyone's comments at first, and then just lurked until I took the plunge sometime in 2005 (or was that JOM?) It seems like most blog comments were more thoughtful & erudite (except mine) and less partisan then.
Pew Research has Trump unpopular worldwide.
Doesn't citing other people's opinions as reasons Americans should change imply the standard setter believes those values are more important than ours? Why would Americans think the rest of the world's opinions are more important than their own?
This pretty much sums up the different experiences in the comment sections: I'd like to have an argument, please.
Why would Americans think the rest of the world's opinions are more important than their own?
6/27/17, 9:56 AM
Exactly. An argument for how we should conform to the wishes and dictates of other peoples isn't a winning one.
Inga, didn't your mother ever warn you about not mindlessly going along with whatever your friends do? "If they all want to jump off a cliff, you don't have to follow them."
I think it's just the nature of this medium. You do most of your posting early in the day, Ann. Engagement in the comments follows a certain pattern: early comments usually stake out the various sides of the debate, subsequent comments thrash out the arguments of those various viewpoints. A lot of good stuff usually comes up, but, since there's really no end-game here, the conversation eventually peters out as people go get on with their lives.
If you posted mostly in the evening, I think you might see the same pattern. But perhaps people are crankier after a long day....
Most Americans came from different parts of the world because they found life unbearable for whatever reason. America tried to stay isolated from the rest of the world, but the world kept fighting with each other and led the US to intervene in the 20th century. Part of Trump's bad reputation is him resisting the rest of the world wanting to leave their part of the world and come here.
The world doesn't really have a good record that lends credence to its opinions.
Which doesn't say anything positive or negative about Trump himself, just that the world has a bad record in discerning wise leadership.
It's a bit like asking someone who has been divorced 5 times to offer their opinion about my marriage. They may indeed have some insights, but much of what they think isn't really helpful as they don't really know what a good marriage looks like.
So apparently Meade showed up in December 2004...
Trump seems to be a morning person too. He weighed in on Project Veritas:
Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump
So they caught Fake News CNN cold, but what about NBC, CBS & ABC? What about the failing @nytimes & @washingtonpost? They are all Fake News!
7:47 AM - 27 Jun 2017
Are you trying to skew the poll?
Made me laugh.
No one in the world likes you when you tell them that they have to live up to their responsibilities, and not continually expect the US to cover their back. Trump has been a horrible awakening for the countries that are listed. The one I get the biggest kick out of is Germany. For the first time since WWII the Germans are being forced to realize that they will have to defend Germany with German bodies not American bodies. They are having a really hard time facing up to that.
Here's a piece in the WSJ about the Germans current attitude toward the military as it applies in the ME. The subhead says it all: "The country is surprised its military faces danger in Syria. But what then does it think its military is for?"
Sorry Ann..the anti Trumpers assumed the post was a Cafe.
"What's this about morning behavior? Uhh..TRUMP BAD! TRUMP BAD!"
Interesting people are not threatened by people who think differently than they do; boring people are. Add alcohol, mix poorly, and you have an evening Althouse comment thread.
It's called a discussion, mad doggie. No one is being rude.
I guess you missed this comment....
Inga is a cancer, mornings and evenings. The best way to defeat cancer is to cut it out.
Discuss!!
madAsHell, cancer is to be taken seriously. Inga is not.
Mad as hell and Mockturtle,
I often ignore nasty comments. Not all of them though. I don't take half of what I read on these comments threads seriously.
"Why would Americans think the rest of the world's opinions are more important than their own?"
Half of America is now seeing that the world's opinion of Trump reflects their own opinion of him. When the majority of the world agrees with you, it isn't insignificant.
99% of the world is ignorant.
The other half is stupid.
The dislike of Trump by the rest of the world makes the narrative that Democrats here in the US are just upset that their candidate lost, come into question.
Has anyone else noticed that Inga has not mentioned Russia today ?
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"Has anyone else noticed that Inga has not mentioned Russia today ?"
Oh thanks! The Russia investigation is ongoing and the Russia story isn't going to dissapear anytime soon.
Has anyone else noticed that Inga has not mentioned Russia today ?
She brought up Russia when she was talking about the Pew International Poll on Trump's popularity.
"Oh thanks! The Russia investigation is ongoing and the Russia story isn't going to dissapear anytime soon."
Of course not! Ratings!
It's the popular leftist soap opera, and bears the same resemblance to real life as "General Hospital" does to an actual hospital.
But the ladies who watch "The View" do love their soap operas.
I never watched the "View". I hate soap operas.
"She brought up Russia when she was talking about the Pew International Poll on Trump's popularity."
Good point but still, about 75% of her comments are about Russia.
Her appetite for "Bullshit," in the words of CNN, seems enormous.
And the American Presidency shouldn't be "The Apprentice".
Sorry, we on the left don't ignore the truly huge implications of a President possibly being compromised by the Russians.
And the American Presidency shouldn't be "The Apprentice".
Agreed. That goes for Obama, too.
And the American Presidency shouldn't be "The Apprentice".
I agree. That's why I didn't vote for Obama.
Trump has done a lot more than be on "The Apprentice."
"Agreed. That goes for Obama, too."
True, but Obama was a quick study, can't say the same for Trump.
Jeez, a CNN producer admits on tape the whole Russia thing is bullshit, but the bitter clingers continue to bitterly cling to their fantasy.
How fitting that this post degenerated before 1 pm EDT.
"6/27/17, 12:00 PM"
Right on time.
"True, but Obama was a quick study, can't say the same for Trump."
Oh, Trump's learned damn fast. He's learned he can't trust the media to report the truth, he put a great justice on the SCOTUS, he's rolling back useless regulations...I'm happy.
What Obama was really, really good at was losing Democratic seats at all levels of the government. And reading from the teleprompter.
Russia, Russia, Russia!
Wasn't that a plot device on the Brady Bunch?
True, but Obama was a quick study, can't say the same for Trump.
Early days. We shall see.
Sorry, we on the left don't ignore the truly huge implications of a President possibly being compromised by the Russians.
Revealingly when Obama told Medvedev he will "have more leeway after the election" the left had no concern. Of course that was completely different since there was actual evidence.
It's cute when the left pretends to care about America even as they damage America with their Russian fantasies to support their partisan hate.
The only thing that the Russia obsession reveals is something we found out for the first time in 2000 - that the Left cannot bear losing an election and cannot cope with defeat gracefully.
Yes, conservatives were depressed and angry in '08 and '12. We didn't pitch a months-long temper tantrum. The Tea Party arose in opposition to Obama's policies; it wasn't simply a hissy fit over the very idea of the man himself occupying the Oval Office. The anti-Trump protests began before all the votes were counted.
Inga: "And the American Presidency shouldn't be "The Apprentice"."
Democracy is very hard on the leftists. Those darn people simply don't vote as the left demands!
I for one anxiously await the outfitting and arming of the Rob Reiner Hollywood Battalion of All Out War and Death--Death I Tell You!!!
The nation trembles at the proclamations from this modern day John Brown who will do whatever it takes, By Any Means Necessary, to rescue the nation from the clutches of democracy gone astray!
To the ramparts comrades!! You have nothing to lose but your day trips to the spa, capers on your omelettes and arugula!!
Inga: "True, but Obama was a quick study, can't say the same for Trump."
LOL
Putin found obambi infinitely malleable.
Infinitely.
Which is why Putin is sitting pretty on top of 20% of the US Uranium reserves. 20%.
And if Hillary had been elected there were deals in place to take that % much higher.
Much.
Just think of the additional "donations" to the Clinton slush funds and speech fees for Bill that transfer would have delivered into Hillary's clutches.
Drago, you are aware that Uranium is not a particularly rare element. It's not like there is a shortage. We have an open economy, if a Russian business buys a mine it is not a huge deal. And, we can always nationalize the mine if it does prove to be a problem, just like Venezuela. I am sure you would be onboard with that option, given your enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy.
It is now afternoon in the Eastern Time Zone, so I will gratefully abstain from answering. Personally I do much of my blog reading in the evening or after midnight and although based upon how strongly I react to the topic, I usually write a response before reading what others say - as i am doing now. As a result, I rarely ever recognize the time of day when a response is posted. I actually find it hard to believe that anyone really looks at posting times.
I've been around since 2002 I think. Don't comment much anymore. The quality of the Leftists who post here is very low. Lower than when Crack Emcee and garage were still posting openly (I think an Unknown may be garage). Yes, lower than that.
If you are an intellectual conservative you can have great conversations here with smart, like-minded people... and that can be fun and educational...but I like getting into the meat of things and there isn't a Lefty who posts here that can make an intelligent, rational argument.
Just look at Inga: Yesterday she posted her complete misunderstanding of the Supreme Court stay of the lower court's injunction. Does she own her mistake and learn? No. She goes on line and grabs whatever face-saving spin she can conjure up. Does she have the intellect to actually digest and interpret what she is reading and posting. Clearly, the answer is no.
There is nothing to be gained to engaging her other than that perverse joy of watching an idiot self-destruct. That isn't enough.
And Inga is just an example. Cookie is thought by some to be the most honest of the Lefties here, but he's just Inga with a better vocabulary and fewer daughters.
I had hopes to find a smart, well-informed, rational group of people who simply have different political beliefs than mine with whom I could have a good back-and-forth. But that is not the case here, with the sole exception of our hostess. And she has clearly become more conservative over the years, which is gratifying.
"given your enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy."
Projection is not pretty ARM.
A couple of lefties here have some sense. Inga can discuss health care reasonably although we disagree.
ARM used to be more sensible.
Ritmo and pretty much PBJ are useless to have around as everything is nastiness.
I go to other blogs or back to books when it gets ugly, like it will soon.
ARM wrote: " I am sure you would be onboard with that option, given your enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy."
Reminding leftists of their love of Hugo Chavez and pointing out what become of Venezuela as a result of socialism is not expressing enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy. It is a subject leftists seem to want to avoid these days.
ARM: "I am sure you would be onboard with that option, given your enthusiasm for the Venezuelan economy."
How far you have fallen. This level of troll-dom is Inga level.
And we retained such high hopes for you.
Alas.
And then we have the resident condescending jerks like livermoron.
Drago, no one can beat you at trollery. Don't sell yourself short.
Speaking as someone who posts in the morning: Right on Meade!!!
(Well, it's morning here!)
"I had hopes to find a smart, well-informed, rational group of people who simply have different political beliefs than mine with whom I could have a good back-and-forth. "
Sane leftists are rare as hen's teeth these days. Trump's driven them all bonkers.
Similar to Godwin's law is this: Any online discussion that goes on long enough will end up in ad hominem attacks.
I can recall as far back as the usenet bulletin boards of the 90s, that even in a thread about selling a used refrigerator, the longer the thread went on it led to arguments over things like which brand is best, over the mechanics and physics behind refrigeration, etc., and then dissolved into a back-and-forth of personal insults. It was kinda funny watching the thread evolve. Unfortunately, today's political arguments have become predictable, repetitive and the insults get boring very quickly. Not much entertainment value to be found.
And she has clearly become more conservative over the years, which is gratifying.
I noticed that too when I returned after 4 years offline. Must be the kooky husband.
Meade, friend, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you're wrong.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/blog-comment-killfile/kpoilnkelonbaapoapibddjaojohnpjf
Try this shit-filter.
And she has clearly become more conservative over the years, which is gratifying.
I noticed that too when I returned after 4 years offline. Must be the kooky husband.
That and getting away from the University environment.
I fear that Titus' review of Laslo's parody of Titus' self-parody will trigger a singularity of hilarity and we will all be sucked up into a black hole. So to speak.
Earnest Prole said...
A number of evening commenters don't understand the difference between productive and unproductive conflict, or how mind-numbing ad hominem attacks are. It's like listening to drunken parents run through the same late-night arguments for the thousandth time.
6/27/17, 9:29 AM
Show us how it's done.
Show us how it's done.
Preach it brother!
Ritmo and pretty much PBJ are useless to have around as everything is nastiness.
Oh, I'm sorry. Who died and made you god?
And who told you that you were a pleasant person? Clearly they weren't telling you the truth.
I see Ritmo is also infecting this thread.
Meade, is this what you want ?
Yes, Doc, it is.
Chuck or somebody had an interesting notion a day or two ago: that President Trump would flip parties and run in 2020 as the Democratic candidate.
I have long thought that if he did, number one, he would get the nomination, the Democrats would accept him and promote him with vigor, forgetting, denying, twisting all their criticisms of the past; and number two, the Republicans would lose to him.
Blogger Earnest Prole said...
Show us how it's done.
Preach it brother!
6/27/17, 7:50 PM
No offense, EP, but really, you are trolling. You never have anything interesting to say of your own. Now you will consult your Magic 8-Ball and crank out some mindless, meaningless reply like "distinctions not cost-effective," but the question is, why do you do it? I ask to know.
Don't worry, I'm not awaiting a cogent reply. I suspect you are some kind of stunt. Someone's puppet, maybe I shouldn't say whose. Maybe a bot, you are that content-free. Whatever. Live long and prosper.
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Get over yourself, Michael K. And stop being a one-man critic. Bad enough you have to act like a tattle tail.
Just grow up already. No one cares to hear you come in and announce that you're leaving and that one (or two or five) people have made things too unpleasant for someone as unneighborly as yourself.
The degree to which you seek to control this blog and its comments section is astonishing.
Meade: You're enough of a man to not let Michael K assert control over you and Ann. He's trying to run your blog for you, and it's obnoxious and not his place to do so.
He needs to understand that he's not the boss of you.
"And stop being a one-man critic"
You have not noticed everyone else complaining about you ?
"He's trying to run your blog for you, and it's obnoxious and not his place to do so. "
I don;t want to run anything. I have two other blogs. I like the exchange with some other commenters, not you who seem always to be hysterical and angry. Have you ever posted anything that was positive ?
At least it is morning now and, like all good vampires, you are probably asleep. The rest of us can have some interesting discussion about airplanes or Normandy invasions or anything but Trump.
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