June 8, 2017

Let's read the Comey transcript.

I watched about an hour or so live on TV, skipped some, and heard the end on the car radio, but I didn't want to write anything without the transcript. I can't bear to read the news analysis, which I have good reason to assume will be slanted. I could spend my time parsing the slantedness, but I've got the transcript, and I want to live-blog my reading of the transcript. Ready?
SEN. RICHARD BURR [Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence]: There are several outstanding issues not addressed in your statement... 
Here's where we discussed Comey's 7-page statement. I said I wanted to hear "what Comey and Trump meant by their shared silent gazing into each other's eyes, by their coming to rest upon the slippery phrase 'honest loyalty,' and the mystery of 'that thing' in 'we had that thing, you know.'"

The questions Burr stated at the outset were:
Did the president's request for loyalty, your impression, let the one-on-one dinner of January 27th was and I quote “at least in part” an effort to create some patronage relationship and March 30th phone call asking what you could do to lift the cloud of Russia investigation in any way alter your approach of the FBI's investigation into general Flynn or the broader investigation into Russia, and possible links to the campaign? In your opinion did potential Russian efforts to establish a link with individuals in the Trump orbit rise to the level we could define as collusion or was it a counter-intelligence concern? There's been a significant public speculation about your decision-making related to the Clinton email investigation. Why did you decide publicly, to publicly announce, FBI's recommendations that the Department of Justice not pursue criminal charges?...
Comey didn't read the already-released opening statement. Instead he offered what he called "some very brief introductory remarks." Comey concentrates on how he wanted to keep his job as FBI Director, and since Trump had "had repeatedly told me I was doing a great job," he was "confused " to hear he'd been fired. He knew the President could fire him for "no reason at all," it was disturbing that "the administration... chose to defame me" and to say the FBI "was in disarray" — "lies, plain and simple." That is, he let us see that he was angry about losing the job he dearly wanted to keep. 
BURR: Director, when the president requested that you, and I quote "Let Flynn go"... do you sense that the president was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for Mike Flynn to save face...?

COMEY: ... I don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation I had with the president was an effort to obstruct. 
He says it's for the special counsel "to try and understand what the intention was there, and whether that's an offense." With the Hillary email matter, Comey went deeply into intent, but I think that was because there was no special prosecutor and the Attorney General had withdrawn herself from the decisionmaking and left it to Comey. That at least shows Comey can make decisions like that. Burr brings up that subject:
BURR: Director, Comey, you have been criticized publicly for the decision to present your findings on the email investigation directly to the American people. Have you learned anything since that time that would have changed what you said or how you chose to inform the American people?

COMEY: Honestly, no. It caused a whole lot of personal pain for me but as I look back, given what I knew at the time and even what I've learned since, I think it was the best way to try to protect the justice institution, including the FBI.
Protecting "the justice institution, including the FBI" is the only value he cites. It affected the presidential election, but I guess his position about that needs to be that he couldn't take that factor into account one way or the other. The protection for "both the FBI and the justice department" was needed largely because of Bill Clinton's "tarmac meeting" with Loretta Lynch. There were some other factors that he couldn't speak of openly, but he could say that he was "confused" and "concerned" when Lynch "directed" him to use the term "matter" instead of "investigation," when speaking of Hillary Clinton's email problem.

Comey says there were "all kinds of cyber intrusions going on all the time... a massive effort to target government and nongovernmental, near governmental agencies like nonprofits." Burr wants to know what the Obama administration tried to do about that. All Comey says is that the FBI notified victims of phishing. (Is phishing a "massive effort"? It may reach a lot of email inboxes, but it's piddling within the category "cyber intrusions." I wished they'd be clear when they're talking about anything other than phishing.)

The Vice Chairman Mark Warner went next and took a noticeably more partisan tone, pointedly underscoring and amplifying Comey's answers. First, he asked about Comey's decision to write a memo documenting his January 6th conversation with Trump. Comey's reasons were: 1. He was alone with Trump, 2. The subject matter ("the FBI's core responsibility"), 3. He believed that it might be in Trump's "nature" to "lie" about the conversation.

Comey never wrote memos after interactions with the 2 other Presidents he worked under, because the 3 factors weren't present with Bush and Obama. He doesn't break factor #3 out separately and opine on the comparative "nature" of the 3 Presidents and that only Trump struck him as a liar, but I would have asked a follow-up question there. What made him think Trump but not Bush or Obama might lie?

Warner asks about the January 27th dinner, where, according to Comey's written statement, Trump was trying to create a "patronage" relationship. What did that mean? Comey's answer is careful not to claim to know things that he doesn't know but full of guesses about what might have gone on in Trump's head:
COMEY: Well, my impression, and again it's my impression, I could always be wrong but my common sense told me what was going on is, either he had concluded or someone had told him that you didn't, you've already asked Comey to stay, and you didn't get anything for it. And that the dinner was an effort to build a relationship, in fact, he asked specifically, of loyalty in the context of asking me to stay....
Next, Senator James Risch asks about a NYT article that "suggested that the [T]rump campaign was colluding with the Russians." That wasn't true, was it? Comey says: "In the main, it was not true." Comey says he's not "picking on reporters about writing stories about classified information," but they're often talking to informants who "don't really know what's going on." And those who do know can't call up and tell them they got it wrong: "We have to leave it there."

Risch asks Comey if he knows "of any case where a person has been charged for obstruction of justice or, for that matter, any other criminal offense, where they said or thought they hoped for an outcome?"
COMEY: I don't know well enough to answer. 
In other words, he doesn't know of a case. Why not say so? Comey restates that he took Trump's words "as a direction."
COMEY: I mean, this is a president of the United States with me alone saying I hope this. I took it as, this is what he wants me to do. I didn't obey that, but that's the way I took it.

RISCH: You may have taken it as a direction but that's not what he said.

COMEY: Correct.

RISCH: He said, I hope.

COMEY: Those are his exact words, correct.

RISCH: You don't know of anyone ever being charged for hoping something, is that a fair statement?

COMEY: I don't as I sit here.
That felt like a successful cross-examination.

Next came Dianne Feinstein. She began by asking "Why do you believe you were fired?" Comey said he didn't "know for sure," but he'd take Trump at his word, and that would mean that there was something about the way he was conducting the Russia investigation that "created pressure on [Trump] that he wanted to relieve."

Feinstein asks about Trump's "request that you pledge loyalty and your response to that and what impact you believe that had."
COMEY: I don't know for sure because I don't know the president well enough to read him well
And yet so much of this testimony is about Comey reading Trump's mind.
I think it was — first of all, relationship didn't get off to a great start, given the conversation I had to have on January 6th. This didn't improve the relationship because it was very, very awkward. He was asking for something, and I was refusing to give it. Again, I don't know him well enough to know how he reacted to that exactly.
Feinstein asks one of the best questions of the morning:
FEINSTEIN: Now, here's the question, you're big. You're strong. I know the oval office, and I know what happens to people when they walk in. There is a certain amount of intimidation. But why didn't you stop and say, Mr. President, this is wrong. I cannot discuss this with you.

COMEY: It's a great question. Maybe if I were stronger, I would have. I was so stunned by the conversation that I just took in. The only thing I could think to say, because I was playing in my mind -- because I could remember every word he said -- I was playing in my mind, what should my response be? That's why I carefully chose the words. Look, I've seen the tweet about tapes. Lordy, I hope there are tapes. I remember saying, “I agree he is a good guy,” as a way of saying, I'm not agreeing with what you asked me to do. Again, maybe other people would be stronger in that circumstance. That's how [I conducted] myself. I hope I'll never have another opportunity. Maybe if I did it again, I'd do it better.
He's saying he wasn't strong enough or didn't have the presence of mind to stand up to Trump, but there are at least 2 other explanations. One is that he simply didn't think at the time that Trump had gone too far. Trump was approaching a line, but a little steely coldness was enough to signal to Trump to go no farther, and Trump did not, so wordless communication did the trick. The other is that Comey had not been fired yet and he dearly wanted to keep his job. He was working with and handling Trump, even as Trump was handling him. It was a delicate dance of power, and Comey was a consenting partner. You could put my 2 ideas together with what Comey said and blend them together and get an answer that might approximate the truth.

Feinstein asks what Trump mean when he asked Comey to "lift the cloud" that was the Russia investigation: "How did you interpret that? What did you believe he wanted you to do?"
COMEY: I interpreted that as he was frustrated that the Russia investigation was taking up so much time and energy. I think he meant of the executive branch, but in the public square in general. It was making it difficult for him to focus on other priorities of his. But what he asked me was actually narrow[er] than that. I think what he meant by the cloud — and, again, I could be wrong — but the entire investigation is taking up oxygen and making it hard for me to focus on what I want to focus on. The ask was to get it out that I, the president, am not personally under investigation....

FEINSTEIN: You told the president, I would see what we could do. What did you mean?

COMEY: It was kind of a cowardly way of trying to avoid telling him, we're not going to do that. That I would see what we could do. 
There's that delicate dance of power again, don't you think? I don't buy that Comey was just weak and weasely. I think both men wanted something — Comey wanted to keep his job — and they were working together.

Feinstein's next question makes an aggressive paraphrase which I will boldface:
FEINSTEIN: You have the president of the United States asking you to stop an investigation that is an important investigation. What was the response of your colleagues?

COMEY: I think they were as shocked and troubled by it as I was... Our primary concern was, we can't infect the investigative team. We don't want the agents and analysts working on this to know the president of the United States has asked, and when it comes from the president, I took it as a direction, to get rid of this investigation because we're not going to follow that request. So we decided, we have to keep it away from our troops....
Comey subtly rejected the Feinstein paraphrase.
COMEY: Is there anyone else we ought to tell at the justice department? We considered whether to tell -- the attorney general said we believe rightly he was shortly going to recuse. There was no other senate confirmed leaders in the justice department at that point. The deputy attorney general was Mr. Boente, acting shortly in the seat. We decided the best move would be to hold it, keep it in a box, document it, as we'd already done, and this investigation is going to do on. Figure out what to do with it down the road. Is there a way to corroborate it? It was our word against the president's. No way to corroborate this. My view of this changed when the prospect of tapes was raised. That's how we thought about it then.
Next is Marco Rubio, who begins with the important work of underscoring that Trump's "hope" about "letting it go" related only to the Mike Flynn matter, not the general Russia investigation. Comey agrees.

Going back to the mystery of why Comey didn't stand up to the President when he expressed that hope about Flynn, Rubio gives Comey an opportunity to present himself as somewhat incompetent and cowardly:
COMEY: I don't know. I think — as I said earlier, I think the circumstances were such that it was — I was a bit stunned and didn't have the presence of mind. I don't know. I don't want to make you sound like I'm captain courageous. I don't know if I would have said to the president with the presence of mind, sir, that's wrong. In the moment, it didn't come to my mind. What came to my mind is be careful what you say. I said, I agree Flynn is a good guy.
Rubio asks about the "cloud": If Trump was asking you to "tell the American people" that "he was not personally under investigation," did you tell him "it would be inappropriate for you to do so and then talk to the White House counsel or somebody so hopefully they'd talked to him and tell him he couldn't do this?"
COMEY: First time I said, I'll see what we can do. Second time, I explained how it should work, that the White House counsel should contact the deputy attorney general.

RUBIO: You told him that?

COMEY: The president said, okay. I think that's what I'll do.

RUBIO: To be clear, for you to make a public statement that he was not under investigation wouldn't be illegal but you felt it could potentially create a duty to correct if circumstances changed?

COMEY: Yes, sir. We wrestled with it before my testimony, where I confirmed that there was an investigation. There were two primary concerns. One was it creates a duty to correct, which I've lived before, and you want to be very careful about doing that. And second, it is a slippery slope. If we say the president and the vice president aren't under investigation[, w]hat is the principled investigation for stopping? So the leadership, at justice, acting attorney general Boente said, you're not going to do that....
RUBIO: On a number of occasions here, you bring up — let's talk about the general Russia investigation, OK? Page 6 of your testimony you say, the first thing you say is, he asked what we could do to, quote, unquote, lift the cloud, the general Russia investigation, you responded, we are investigating the matter as quickly as we could and there would be great benefit if we didn't find anything for having done the work well. He agreed. He emphasized the problems it was causing him. He agreed it'd be great to have an investigation, all the facts came out and we found nothing. He agreed that would be ideal, but this cloud is still messing up my ability to do the rest of my agenda. Is that an accurate assessment?

COMEY: Yes, sir. He went farther than that. He said, and if some of my satellites did something wrong, it'd be good to find that out.

RUBIO: That is the second part. The satellites, if one of my satellites, I imagine he meant some of the people surrounding his campaign, did something wrong, it'd be great to know that, as well.

COMEY: Yes, sir. That's what he said.
Comey clearly acknowledges that the "cloud" talk was not about ending the entire Russia investigation.  Rubio underscores that answer:
RUBIO: Are those the only two instances in which that back and forth happened, where the president was basically saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, it's okay. Do the Russia investigation. I hope it all comes out. I have nothing to do with anything Russia. It'd be great if it all came out, people around me were doing things that were wrong?

COMEY: Yes. As I recorded it accurately there. That was the sentiment he was expressing. Yes, sir.

RUBIO: What it comes down to is the president asked three things of you. Asked for your loyalty. You said you'd be loyally honest.

COMEY: Honestly loyal.

RUBIO: Honestly loyal. He asked you on one occasion to let the Mike Flynn thing go because he was a good guy. By the way, you're aware he said the same thing in the press the next day. He is a good guy, treated unfairly, etc. I imagine your FBI agents read that.

COMEY: I'm sure they did.

RUBIO: The president's wishes were known to them, certainly by the next day when he had a press conference with the prime minister. Going back, the three requests were, number one, be loyal. Number two, let the Mike Flynn thing go. He is a good guy, been treated unfairly. Number three, can you please tell the American people what these leaders in congress already know, which you already know and what you told me three times, that I'm not under personally under investigation.

COMEY: That's right.

RUBIO: We learn more from the newspaper sometimes than the open hearings. Do you ever wonder why, of all the things in the investigation, the only thing never leaked is the fact the president was never personally under investigation, despite the fact that Democrats and Republicans and the leadership of congress have known that for weeks?
It's a rhetorical question, but Comey offers an "I don't know."

Ron Wyden is next. I'm going to skip his segment for the sake of brevity and move on to Susan Collin, who asks (among other things) about the Michael Flynn conversation. Others have already asked why Comey didn't stand up to the President, and Comey had said he was "stunned," but what Collins wants to know is why afterwards he didn't "go to anyone at the department of justice and ask them to call the white house counsel's office and explain that the president had to have a far better understanding and appreciation of his role vis-à-vis the FBI?"
COMEY: In general, I did. I spoke to the attorney general and spoke to the new deputy attorney general, Mr. Rosenstein, when he took office and explained my serious concern about the way in which the president is interacting, especially with the FBI. As I said in my testimony, I told the attorney general, it can't happen that you get kicked out of the room and the president talks to me. Why didn't we raise the specific? It was of investigative interest to figure out, what just happened with the president's request? I wouldn't want to alert the white house it had happened until we figured out what we were going to do with it investigatively.
That's a bit confusing! I think the answer to Collins's question only begins after "Why didn't we raise the specific?" (in other words, the problem of the specific interaction about the hope of seeing the way clear to letting Flynn go). But I can't understand those 2 sentences! What "happened"?? Does that suggest that they decided to investigate whether Trump's statements at the meeting were criminal (e.g., obstruction of justice)?

Collins asks about the post-meeting memos. Did he show them to "anyone outside of the department of justice?" Why yes he did! After Trump tweeted about the possibility of an audiotape...
COMEY: ... I woke up in the middle of the night on Monday night because it didn't dawn on me originally, that there might be corroboration for our conversation. There might a tape. My judgment was, I need to get that out into the public square. I asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter. Didn't do it myself for a variety of reasons. 
What reasons?!
I asked him to because I thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel. I asked a close friend to do it.
Collins presses him and he identifies the "close friend" as "a professor at Columbia law school." Wow. We need more questions here, but Collins is out of time, and Martin Heinrich is up.

Heinrich asks about Trump's idea that "Russia's involvement in the U.S. Election cycle as a hoax and fake news," and that gives Comey the floor to speak very strongly on the subject:
COMEY: Yes, sir. There should be no fuzz on this whatsoever. The Russians interfered in our election during the 2016 cycle. They did with purpose. They did it with sophistication. They did it with overwhelming technical efforts. It was an active measures campaign driven from the top of that government. There is no fuzz on that. It is a high confidence judgment of the entire intelligence community and the members of this committee have seen the intelligence. It's not a close call. That happened. That's about as unfake as you can possibly get. It is very, very serious, which is why it's so refreshing to see a bipartisan focus on that. This is about America, not about a particular party.
I'd like to know why the Obama administration didn't do more to fend off this problem, but Heinrich seems to be working on the theory that if Trump didn't take it seriously, that's evidence of collusion. Comey doesn't buy into that game: He "can't answer that because I don't know what other conversations he had with other advisers or other intelligence community leaders."

Heinrich invites Comey to talk about why we should believe him, and Comey said his "mother raised me not to say things like this about myself so I'm not going to."

On to Roy Blunt, who needles Comey about why he was willing to keep working under Trump. Comey affirms that if he hadn't been fired, he'd still be working under Trump. Blunt suggests that the story Comey is telling today is the view "in retrospect," influenced by his having been fired. He didn't resign and, before the firing, he didn't let the Justice Department know about his misgivings.

Comey says that "at some point... I was sure we were going to brief it to the [Justice Department] team in charge of the case." And, Comey notes, he tried to keep the Attorney General from getting "kicked out of the room." He said to the Attorney General "I report to you. It is very important you be between me and the white house."

Blunt gets back to the subject of Comey's leaking the memo about the Flynn conversation.
BLUNT: So you didn't consider your memo or your sense of that conversation to be a government document. You considered it to be, somehow, your own personal document that you could share to the media as you wanted through a friend?

COMEY: Correct. I understood this to be my recollection recorded of my conversation with the president. As a private citizen, I thought it important to get it out.... My view was that the content of those unclassified, memorialization of those conversations was my recollection recorded.

BLUNT: So why didn't you give those to somebody yourself rather than give them through a third party?

COMEY: Because I was [wary] the media was camping at the end of my driveway at that point. I was actually going out of town with my wife to hide. I worried it would be [like] feeding seagulls at the beach[, i]f it was I who gave it to the media. I asked my friend, make sure this gets out.
I had to go back to the video to understand the "feeding seagulls at the beach" remark. The bracketed material you see there is my correction of the transcript. I'm using Politico's transcript, by the way, and the mistakes, notably in punctuation, are irritating. The comma after "beach" is crucial to understanding. It's also important that the word was "wary," not, as Politico has it, "weary." Comey wasn't tired of the press, but vigilant. They were like seagulls, flocking where they anticipated feeding, and Comey didn't want to appear to be feeding these scavengers or didn't want to reward them for hanging out in his driveway.

Blunt hasn't got enough time left to do anything but muse that Comey "create[d] a source close to the former director of the FBI as opposed to taking responsibility yourself." Yes, but so what? Was this another instance of a failure of courage? Is Comey improperly tending to his personal image?

Angus King — an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats — goes next. There's what sounds like a rehearsed dialogue that gets bungled (perhaps because Comey doesn't trust King to get his line out:
KING: [W]hen a president of the United States in the Oval Office says something like, I hope or I suggest or would you, do you take that as a directive?

COMEY: Yes. It rings in my ear as, well, will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest.

KING: I was just going to quote that, in 1179, December 27th, Henry II said, who will rid me of the meddlesome priest, and the next day, he was killed. [Thomas a Becket.] Exactly the same situation. We're thinking along the same lines.
The bracketed name is heard in the video but missing (with no indication of an omission) in the Politico transcript. Lame.

King's "Exactly the same situation" is a tad overeager. And he screws up the quote. Not only is what Trump said not "exactly the same," Comey's quote "will no one rid me..." isn't even exactly the same as King's version "who will rid me...." In Senator King's version, Henry is asking who will do it. In Comey's version, Henry is expressing displeasure that it may not happen. Who got the quote right? It's not clear exactly what Henry said all those many years ago. There's no recorded recollection memo, but an oral tradition.

According to Wikipedia, the most common quote is "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" but according to the historian Simon Schama, what Henry really said was: "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?"

We don't really know what Henry said, but we do know that it was taken as a directive to kill Thomas Beckett. And the analogue here is that Comey took Trump's remark as a directive. The puzzle remains whether it was a directive. We should all understand that leaders may express themselves in enigmatic ways that are useful to keep themselves above the fray but that the underlings know how to interpret. We still need to think carefully about particular assertions that something that wasn't said was implied.

Next is Senator Lankford, who wonders why Trump used such a light touch if he really wanted to stop the investigation. Why not be explicit? It is that "he doesn't have the authority"?
COMEY: I'm not a legal scholar, [so smarter people answer this better,] but as a legal matter, the president is the head of the executive branch and could direct, in theory, we have important norms against this, but [direct that anybody be investigated or anybody not be investigated]. I think he has the legal authority. All of us ultimately report in the executive branch to the president.
If the President can do that but didn't, does that mean he didn't mean for his vague expression to be taken as a directive? That would have been my follow up, and I assume Comey's answer would have been that it would have been more convenient for Trump to avoid taking responsibility for the action if Comey had done what Trump wanted.

Lankford gets back to the subject of Loretta Lynch's telling him to call the Clinton investigation ad "matter" and not an "investigation."


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Left Bank of the Charles said...

An interesting followup question is why Comey wanted Sessions in the room with Trump to talk about Flynn, when he didn't want to talk to Jeff Session about what happened in the room because he was expecting Sessions to recuse himself from all things Russia related.

MayBee said...

Was nobody in the Clinton orbit talking to any Russians during the campaign? We know Obama was.
But with Syria going on, and Clinton saying she wanted a different direction there .....she was going to have to talk to Russians at some point. She would have had to talk with them during her transition.

Sprezzatura said...

"I'm completely lost as to how you can understand the nuance of Trump asking Comey to go easy, but can't grasp the equally nuanced Lynch telling Comey that there's no investigation happening here. It's willful ignorance at this point."

Trump hoped Comey would end the investigation, and then fired him when he didn't do so. Lynch hoped Comey would use particular language describing an investigation, i.e, calling it a matter instead of an investigation, but never asked him to alter the investigation and she gave him control over the final decision re prosecution.

So, you're right those are different.

MayBee said...

Left Bank- yeah, good point.

I can see how speaking in front of Sessions and Kurchner could easily have been painted as a bad thing, too. I mean, Democrats have made them both out to be targets of the investigation. So They wouldn't have made a big deal about Trump talking to Comey in front of them?

(I also don't see how Comey can act like speaking alone is such a terrible thing, considering Comey had twice talked to Trump alone, the first time at Comey's suggestion-- January 6)

MayBee said...

Alas, we'll never find out what Obama would have done had Comey not ended the investigation of Clinton in the way he preferred.

Birkel said...

I wonder if I should trust PB&J more than Alan Dershowitz.

Where did I leave that Magic 8-Ball?

Sprezzatura said...

"Was nobody in the Clinton orbit talking to any Russians during the campaign?"

You'll be shocked to learn that the Russians were manipulating our population so that DJT would defeat her. So, they weren't palling around w/ Russians like the DJTers were. Similarly, HRC folks weren't palling around w/ the RNC or the DJT campaign.

Anywho, wonder no more.

MayBee said...

You'll be shocked to learn that the Russians were manipulating our population so that DJT would defeat her.

They were? Via the Pedestal emails?

Surely you know Clinton and the Russians were going to have to talk at some point, just as Obama talked to the Russians during the campaign. You can't just pretend other countries don't exist, especially when you want to set up a no-fly zone in a country you are both bombing.

Sprezzatura said...

Birk,

It's pretty much a toss up.

But, he's got me beat because he helped O.J. get off.

Brookzene said...

"I'm completely lost as to how you can understand the nuance of Trump asking Comey to go easy"

Trump was "asking Comey to go easy." Trump was asking Comey to drop an open investigation against his buddy, Mike Flynn.

I think your effort to compare the two is pretty ridiculous, and if you yourself think about this with some and honesty and wisdom, you will see it too. Take a look at the two efforts to manipulate Comey. They both seek to manipulate Comey but there's no way they are in the same league. One is trivial. Nobody would ever see that as "criminal" for instance. "Call it a 'matter' just for PR sake".
The other is likely an obstruction of justice. Even if you don't think it is OoJ or if you need more evidence, it's a very serious matter.

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

So the Russians were hopeful that America would produce and export natural gas to Europe? Interesting theory. Can you spell out the advantages plainly?

My tiny brain needs help.

Grab your carry on.

pacwest said...

"could imagine getting to a point where many who support him now stop supporting him in the future"

1. Recession. If the Dem's can delay his economic agenda long enough the markets and businesses will lose steam. Party before country. We may have one anyway since we are in several bubbles created by QE and 8 years of (anemic) growth.

2. A disastrous military conflict. IMO he is playing with fire in NK. He also has two nukes pointed down his throat. 65 years of diplomacy haven't worked.

3. Constant negative coverage by the press over the next few years.

MayBee said...

So our population can be manipulated to vote for a president because John Podesta's lobster risotto recipe is hacked, but what CNN is doing *isn't* to manipulate the population?

Birkel said...

@ Brookzene

"Call it a 'matter' just for PR sake" of a candidate for election who would be hurt if the truth were known.

I can see your confusion. You left out so many pertinent details. But I helped.

MayBee said...

"Call it a 'matter' just for PR sake".

He specifically said it was to match the rhetoric of her political campaign. Not for PR, but the DOJ co-ordinating with a political campaign. The political campaign of a candidate they are supposed to be criminally investigating.

Brookzene said...

You are not to be taken seriously if you want to compare Lynch's efforts to manipulate public opinion by asking him to say "a matter" instead of "an investigation" with Trump's asking Comey to drop the investigation against Flynn. Get real.

Brookzene said...

"He specifically said it was to match the rhetoric of her political campaign."

I'm not defending this as something an AG should do. It sounds both stupid and wrong. My key point stands: this is not at all comparable to Trump's discussion(s) with Comey. Let me know if (and who) accuses Lynch of a crime in using the word substitution (or asking Comey to use it).

But sure, go ahead, be pissed at Lynch for it.

Birkel said...

@ Brookzene

I agree. Your initial point stands. 4 legs good. 2 legs bad. I doubt anybody can dissuade you.

Sprezzatura said...

Birk,

Gettin' more folks off of renewables is best for hydrocarbon countries. Did ya see that Kansas and Iowa could be a few years away from getting half of their electricity from wind?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/climate/renewable-energy-push-is-strongest-in-the-reddest-states.html

Plus, DJT gives Putin a pass on murdering journalists and such, cause he says we kill folks too. But, that's not false equivalency, cause only libs do that.

And, the Russians see it as benefit to weaken America. DJT was made to order.

MayBee said...

Here's one way they are the same:

Comey thought he was the one man above both. He didn't resign when Lynch asked him to go along with the Clinton campaign, and he didn't resign when Trump said he hoped Flynn would be cleared. He was the one incorruptible man in all of Washington DC, and with enough power in Comey's hands, he alone could deliver justice. Try to influence an investigation? Comey can tolerate that.
The one thing Comey could not tolerate was being fired. Oh, it isn't blackmail, but he will tell unflattering things about you if you fire him. Keep him in power, and he'll keep your secrets.

Brookzene said...

A lot of the pro-Trump arguments are starting to reduce themselves to "X did something wrong. Trump did something wrong. Therefore Trump's no worse than X."

It's getting to the point that they don't have much else.

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

Swing and a miss on why the U.S. exporting natural gas to Europe is good for Russia. Prices are way down because supply is way up. You made a long-term argument about demand. European demand for natural gas continues unabated.

And prices are lower.

Birkel said...

@ Brookzene

A lot of the anti-Trump comments boil down to Trump might be Hitler. Fun game. Keep playing?

Brookzene said...

"The one thing Comey could not tolerate was being fired. Oh, it isn't blackmail,"

I don't know about that. The timeline suggests he was holding Comey's job over his head, in return for...

Sprezzatura said...

"He didn't resign when Lynch asked him to go along with the Clinton campaign"

When did Lynch ask him to clear HRC from what she and her campaign thought was Rs making a fuss for political reasons*? Comey never said that happened. Where did you hear/read that it did?




*And, we now know that's true because w/ Rs in total control all phony investigations immediately evaporated.

Guildofcannonballs said...

I think proggies need to repeat over and over Trump DEMANDED Commey drop the investigation Flynn was mixed up in, or else people might not understand how BAD Trump is.

Just say Trump demanded okay?

Oh and he rapes women, hates children and the poor, and is sooper super ultro-stupid, and mean.

And has bad taste; no class.

A buffoon.

OH AND A LIAR! He is a liar too, maybe foremost. And lying is bad, very bad.

Trump was the guy whose limo ran over your puppy, in your own damn driveway, and you KNOW it was on his orders.

MayBee said...

When did Lynch ask him to clear HRC from what she and her campaign thought was Rs making a fuss for political reasons*? Comey never said that happened. Where did you hear/read that it did?

Using the word "matters" to match the campaign rhetoric.
Meeting with Clinton on the tarmac.

Those are things that Comey mentioned that Lynch did when Clinton was under criminal investigation.

Birkel said...

Breaking news from Brookzene:

All at-will employees are officially blackmail victims.

Brookzene said...

You can deny that Trump is a chronic liar but everyone can see he is. He does it even when he doesn't have to. But if you want to deny that, put your character on Trump's character, be my guest.

Sprezzatura said...

Birkel,

It takes both supply and demand.

The supply side is already flirting w/ the edge of viability. In recent years we've already seen that you can't infinitely bump supply because there is a base cost of production. Hit that and the flow stops. [This is why it's so funny to see pols use this fuss about increasing production to rile up folks. We've, in recent years, seen operations shut down because of too much supply v the wall associated w/ the fixed cost of production.]

Basic math controls the physical cost restraints re producing. But, politicians can work to eliminate the demand competition from renewables.

Anywho, nice try.

MayBee said...

Things that upset Comey. Yet he didn't resign. He didn't call his friend at Columbia to have him tell the press how upset he was. He didn't rat out Lynch then.

You know why? Because Comey got to keep his power through those things.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Plus, DJT gives Putin a pass on murdering journalists and such, cause he says we kill folks too. "

All Russians must die, tomorrow.

We ain't gonna let em kill nobody, even their own, as our kind don't allow their kind to do that sort of thing, do you hear me? Russians in Russia ain't gonna kill NO MORE, I give you my word on that.

War is our friend, our best friend. I would sooner see 1000 nukes rain down across CO than think Trump didn't kick Putin in the balls and put him in a full Nelson until the murdered rose from the ground to noogie Putin's head like everyone wanted to do to Gorby.

By not telling Putin he is murderous scum, dumbell turdboy Trump has displayed his complete ignorance of diplomacy and its goals.



Birkel said...

I remember how Trump lied about being told - 3 times, no less - that Trump was not under investigation.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"It's getting to the point that they don't have much else."

Remembered Democratic offenses are a great reason to worship Trump as God's chosen savior for America. Thank you for reminding me, all the time. You are very talented.

Sprezzatura said...

"Using the word "matters" to match the campaign rhetoric."

The campaign rhetoric was that this investigation was a witch hunt that Rs were pushing for political reasons, and it should be ended. They wanted the cloud w/ it to end, like DJT did/does re the Russia stuff. Lynch never hinted at getting Comey to end this. And, she handed over power re the resolution to Comey.

You can keep saying that's the same as DJT telling Comey he hoped Comey would end the investigation and then firing Comey when the investigation didn't end.

Presumably you're convinced that you're making a convincing arguement.



Carry on.

Sprezzatura said...

argument

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

Those cost constraints are overcome by innovation in the short- run, motivated by profits, and the American costs have dropped fastest of all. If renewables hold as much promise as you suggest, I suggest you turn your resources to VC and capture a lot more money. Surely the profit motive will attract money to lower demand for natural gas by offering lower cost options.

Alas, you can wish in one hand and shit in the other. See which one fills up faster. Supply is the mechanism that shows promise.

MayBee said...

You can keep saying that's the same as DJT telling Comey he hoped Comey would end the investigation and then firing Comey when the investigation didn't end.

Do I keep saying that?

Birkel said...

All those words to say "Four legs good..."

MayBee said...

Lynch never hinted at getting Comey to end this.

Didn't she? How do you know?

And, she handed over power re the resolution to Comey.

Yup. And that's why we'll never know everything that happened. Comey got to have the power. And so he kept the secrets.

Birkel said...

Trump should have pardoned Comey during the testimony.

MayBee said...

Birkel said...
I remember how Trump lied about being told - 3 times, no less - that Trump was not under investigation.


Right???

But CNN repeating that over and over for a month for some reason isn't an attempt to undermine our democracy, like those dastardly Russians.

MayBee said...

When Bush's people tried to undermine Comey's power, they got a special prosecutor.
When Trump tried to undermine Comey's power, he got a special prosecutor.

You know who never ended up with a special prosecutor? The president who let Jim Comey have his way.

Sprezzatura said...

Sure Birk,

In the future the economics of sticking (figurative) straws in the ground will be completely rejuvenated.

Now your plan makes sense.

Anywho, re investments, I'll stay away from the Arbusto biz (even though I sorta know about the refining stuff, as an apostate Chem E).

Sprezzatura said...

I mean, as much of a Chem E as ya can be in 3rd grade.

Brookzene said...

"You know who never ended up with a special prosecutor? The president who let Jim Comey have his way."

Silly and salacious. Another diversion from the matter at hand.

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

You know who else thought the future of sticking straws in the ground was coming to an end? Henry Flagler. That was way back when. He sold his share of some company and struck out to make his fortune elsewhere. His business partner held on to the bitter end, struggling mightily. Flagler did ok, having two schools named after him. The business partner pulled through.

Some dude name Rockefeller.

Daniel Yergin wrote a book about the industry.

Peak Oil happened 10 years ago. Remember?

Birkel said...

Silly and salacious is the new True and inconvenient.

Sprezzatura said...

Birk,

There's definitely dough in hydrocarbons.

How else could the backward Saudis have so many Rolls and high end hookers? Good for them.

But, it's not for me.

It seems like you'd really enjoy whatever appeal it is that you associate w/ that biz. Seems like a good fit for ya. Think of a career change, and livin' the dream. And, you'll be MAGAing, too.




Francisco D said...

I love the smell of leftist desperation in the morning.

It smells like ... Victory!

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

Just so we are clear, you are backing off the 125 year old predictions of the demise of The Prize. Yes?

Or do you just know that all the other Malthusians were wrong but as a neo-Malthusian you will be right? Finally.

Changing the subject to money and the House of Saud leaves me unmoved, you see. I am standing over here where the original goal posts were.

LilyBart said...

he was "confused" and "concerned" when Lynch "directed" him to use the term "matter" instead of "investigation," when speaking of Hillary Clinton's email problem.

FBM = Federal Bureau of "Matters"

Brookzene said...

"I love the smell of leftist desperation in the morning.

It smells like ... Victory!"

Good luck selling that one.

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

And after admitting (or not, given that we both know the answer) that natural gas is not diminishing in importance, will you try again to answer why Russia wanted more natural gas exploration? Make the connection plainly for my tiny brain. Because I cannot understand why Russia wants downward pressure on one of their two exports that matter.

Sprezzatura said...

Yes Birk,

I agree that it's impossible to have so much supply such that it's not economically feasible to continue production. Because innovation will always lower the cost of production to match whatever the price may be. [Even though we've actually witness the opposite right here the good old US of A].

So, your original goal posts are intact and you're the winner!

Ya got me good there.

Birkel said...

@ Brookzene
The Left is winning. Let us agree. Not the presidency. Or the House. Or the Senate. Or a majority of governorships. Or state legislatures. But winning all the same.

How many divisions does Hollywood command? Madison Avenue?

Sprezzatura said...

Yes,

Birk you're right Russia doesn't care about limiting renewables (like the Kansas/Iowa link I put up thread) that compete w/ hydrocarbons.

Got me again.

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

So you are saying the cost of production has increased? That would be false, but I do not believe you meant so much. You mean the rate of decrease in production cost has slowed, putting an effective ceiling in worldwide natural gas prices pending technological improvements.

And that downward pressure on natural gas prices is good for Russia? Because that is the argument you Ruski-phobes have to make. Go ahead. Try it.

BTW, that first sentence was quite the strawman. You roasted that position that I never took and didn't mention.

Grab your carry on.

Birkel said...

@ PB&J

I too support nuclear energy.

Grab your carry on.

MayBee said...

Lawrence Tribe, May 10

Comey "offering that assurance would be highly unethical and at odds with Comey's reputation as a man of integrity."

hahahahahaha!

Birkel said...

The straw man battalions are taking heavy casualties.

Grab your carry on.

Known Unknown said...

I still find it hilarious that certain commenters are operating under the old and outmoded assumptions about what Presidencies should be like.

The Hunger Games election of 2016 has effectively destroyed all of that. Trump is in the White House of nearly the sole fact that he was the outsider candidate. Billionaire? Doesn't matter. Pussy grabber? Doesn't matter. Reckless tweeter? Who gives a shit.

His election was a giant Cheeto-tinged middle finger to the establishment who have effectively fucked over John and Joan Q. Public enough over the past 40 years to finally result in an election that gives you a Trump. The silent majority (electoral-collegely speaking) finally spoke up. Bush? Clinton? Any other beltway slavers who want to go along to get along? Hell no.

R&B wants to discuss his character. He dares us to defend his character. Here's a clue: No one who supports Trump gives two flying fucks about his character because Washington in-and-of-itself is where character goes to die. We've elected enough shitlords and asshats with character deficits that could reach to the moon. And hell, maybe there are a few tried-and-true good-intention pollyannas that roll into town who are quickly and efficiently assimilated into the establishment Borg and pull shit like exempting themselves from healthcare legislation and not passing budgets but craptastic omnibus bills and who "pass it to find out what's in it."

So what's one more character-deprived lunatic?

I didn't vote for Trump, but I sure as hell understand why he exists. And those of you still abiding by the old rules and playing your usual Team Red/Team Blue bullshit reindeer games are deluding yourself that things will go back to normal. Normal got us to this point and the system finally broke.

So keep working on those impeachment fantasies and building your feckless GOPer shrines.

MaxedOutMama said...

Well, ladies and gents of the Alt Haus, as interesting as this thread and the topic is, it is ultimately only about partisan politics.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the other shoe has dropped with regard to the Reality Winner:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-08/accused-leaker-is-indicted-for-disclosing-classified-report
A federal prosecutor said in court that authorities had uncovered a series of “new and downright frightening" other acts by Winner, including inserting a thumb drive into her Air Force computer and taking classified information while she was still in the military.
...
In denying Winner’s request to be released while awaiting trial, Epps also cited her journal which federal agents found during a search of her Augusta home. She allegedly expressed support in her writings for Taliban leaders and Osama bin Laden as well as proclaiming she wanted to burn down the White House.

“She seems to have a fascination with the Middle East and Islamic terrorism," Epps said. He quoted her as having written: “It’s a Christlike vision to have a fundamentalist Islamic state.”


How ... interesting. In May she went to Belize for a couple of days.

readering said...

Those wondering how Nixon clung to 22 per cent support 'til bitter end, read these comments.

fivewheels said...

I don't know if Althouse will see a stray comment buried this deep in the thread, but I just want to declare that as someone who has a limited time to pay attention to news, especially when it's about what I consider politics and not necessarily more important policy issues, this post is very helpful to me.

It almost goes without saying that the prof's take is more valuable than any analysis available from mainstream media. And the responses you would get in partisan internet media could have been predicted two weeks ago with no regard for actual developments. Sitting around watching all day and parsing it all myself is not an option this week.

So thank goodness for Althouse. That's all I wanted to say. And I'm going to buy some headphones through the portal.

Matt Sablan said...

Remember, until this testimony, Comey didn't think Trump tried to obstruct the investigation. What changed from his last testimony to now? Why did McCabe perjure himself by saying there was no obstruction if it was happening?

Anonymous said...


"So what's one more character-deprived lunatic?"

That says volumes about your own character. What happened to ideals, to not sinking to the lowest common denominator?

Jaq said...

who left the scene of an accident but I don't believe was charged with "criminally negligent homicide." - TTR

For a "revolutionary" Ritmo sure has a touching faith in the way the criminal justice system treats the rich and powerful.

Brookzene said...

"Remember, until this testimony, Comey didn't think Trump tried to obstruct the investigation. What changed from his last testimony to now?"

Comey specifically would not say whether he believed Trump's actions rose to the level of obstruction of justice - he said that would be for Mueller to decide. I personally think it was obstruction but I'm okay with what Mueller decides.

Anonymous said...

"Remember, until this testimony, Comey didn't think Trump tried to obstruct the investigation. What changed from his last testimony to now? Why did McCabe perjure himself by saying there was no obstruction if it was happening"

Lester Holt interview, "I was thinking about Russia..." and what he said to the Russians in the Oval Office that day about he firing Comey to relieve the great pressure on him.

Largo said...

"But that doesn't matter. You're a partisan! Anything goes! No standards!"

Are you partisan, Ritmo?

Fen said...

Ritmo/Inga/ARM: But the Republicans... But Trump...But but

Or perhaps BWAHAHAHHA! HAHAHAAHAA (snort) BWAHAHAHA!

You IDIOTS got played AGAIN!! Unbelievable! What a joke you are now. Wait wait hold on, serious now...

HOW IS THAT IMPEACHMENT GOING?

Bwahahaha! Sorry can't help myself HAHAHAAHAA!

You betrayed your country for nothing, you traitorous cunts. FOR NOTHING you retards.

LOL suckers.

Birkel said...

Appeals to Republicans' and conservativess' better angels now fall in deaf ears. That's what happens when you treat those morals and ethics as weakness in a grasping effort for increased power.

Fen said...

Ritmo/Inga/ARM: :Now look here! It's not unreasonable to consider that if Venus is in retrograde and the moonsbof Mars were NOT aligned with Jupiter, then Trump - "

BWAHAHAHA! BWAHAHAHHAHAHA! Stop it! You're killing me LOL.

Fen said...

Brooke: "A lot of pro-trump arguments are starting to reduce-"

The word you are looking for is "tu quo". That's not the actual name of the fallacy but a - what's that thing where we shorten a term to save keystrokes, rhymes with inibreated... oh whatever, like "ad hom" is short for Ad Hominem...

(breaks character)

I mean WTF? You're a super smart lefty and you don't know what the fuck a tu quo fallacy is? Jesus Christ. No wonder the media keeps making you guys their bitch.

TU Quo Fallacy
A. Trump farted
B. But Brooke also farted
C. Therefor Trump is excused.

And no Inga, farting is not an impeachable offense.

Brookzene said...

"Comey is so wildly honest he had a friend do his dirty work leaking half-truths to the NYT."

There was nothing dirty about it. It was no secret where it came from. It was his personal unclassified memo that he made for himself. I haven't heard anyone suggest that this was somehow not legal to do - of course it was perfectly legal.

You are trying to draw attention away from the content of the memo, which draws a picture of a corrupt president.

Fen said...

And now... from the very same people who botched their polls during the election , from the people who still cant fathom how Hillary lost, from tbe people that lied to you about Russian Hacking..we present.... Trump's Approval Ratings! Cross-checked by anonymous sources!

grackle said...

This was the moment I remembered why I had ever liked Rubio. (Before amnesty...)

Little Marco has a problem: He keeps trying to jump on the anti-Trump train but I suspect Trump-supporting constituents back home in Florida are weighing in on his private polling and pulling him back off.

He can't govern effectively if CNN and MSNBC are crying obstruction of justice for the next year.

Really? Even given the fact that Trump has done so much already? As has been said before: Time will tell.

Even Napolitano is jumping ship.

The good judge says exactly what he’s told to say by the FoxNews execs, just like any other employee. He tried to tell viewers about the Deep State back in March and was taken off the air. They called him into their offices and had what one of my old bosses used to call a “consciousness-raising session.” Now he’s trying to get back into their good graces.

Yours is the side that has to make common cause with Nazis.

The Nazi reference actually came a little faster than I thought it would. Desperation is soooo impulsive, so impatient.

I honestly do not believe the memos were drafted when Comey claims.

The memos were obviously written fairly recently. Where were these memos kept? At the FBI? No, Comey was fired while out of the FBI offices and in another state. He must have been keeping them on his personal laptop. Kind of like Hillary and her private server.

Trump's approval rating continues to drop like a stone into the low 30s …

As the election revealed: The “polls” are shit.

Dershowitz says even if Trump had ordered Comey to shut down the Flynn investigation, it wouldn't have been obstruction of justice because of his executive constitutional authority.

Don’t confuse them. Let them have their impeachment fantasy. It’s all they have at this point.

Detective: "The dog did nothing in the night-time." Sherlock Holmes: "That was the curious incident."

Yes.

There must have been some way of forcing Comey to resign without all this brouhaha.

You gotta be kidding …

For example, you also can't rule out the possibility he does something that would alarm a great many of his supporters who aren't alarmed now.

Well, he hasn’t so far and I’m strongly doubting he’ll do it in the future. There’s probably more SCOTUS openings coming up, lower court judges to be put in place, regs to be abolished, etc. A lot can be done even with the eGOP/MSM/Democrat coalition that is going against him. As a Trump supporter I am very satisfied with Trump’s performance so far.

OT, but holy shit did the Tories screw the pooch in UK's snap election today.

ISIS hacked the election. It looks like the ordinary folks in GB are tired of being terrorized. Whoever is in charge gets the blame. The next government will be blamed if more attacks occur. It’s the European way of viewing events.

Fen said...

Brooke, carefully look over the text you are quoting and see if you can find the word "illegal" in there.

Oh, we call it "reading comprehension"

And when you knock down an argument your opponent never made, it's called a "straw man"...

Are you guys fucking stoned? Or did you do a lot of acid in the womb? Because that would certainly explain why you guys are so batshit loony toons.

"Dude wait wait! Comey is like Uncle Owen, with an upgrade by R2D2, but BEFORE Obi Won crash landed!"

"Woooaaahhh!"

Xmas said...

What happened to ideals, to not sinking to the lowest common denominator?

They were smashed out of our heads by a bike lock in a sock.

Birkel said...

Assertion: There was nothing dirty about the Comey leaks.

Response: when people behave as if they have something to conceal, we should believe them.

Therefore: Comey's actions are inconsistent with the assertion.

@ Brookzene
Grab your carry on.

Unknown said...

"COMEY: I'm not a legal scholar, [so smarter people answer this better,] but as a legal matter, the president is the head of the executive branch and could direct, in theory, we have important norms against this, but [direct that anybody be investigated or anybody not be investigated]. I think he has the legal authority. All of us ultimately report in the executive branch to the president."

Why did Comey want an investigation (purportedly the reason he released his notes to the press indirectly), if he interpreted Trump as directing him vis a vis the investigation into Flynn and Trump has the legal authority to do so, what is left to investigate?

walter said...

Oy..the more Comey talks, the clearer it becomes he shouldn't have been in that job. All about the feelz, confused by the feelz, taking too many "matters" into his own hands...and a LEAKER.

Tom Grey said...

Thanks for lots of great work, Ann.

Brookzene said...

"Response: when people behave as if they have something to conceal, we should believe them." Well if you have a theory of what Comey's trying to conceal...I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.

Brookzene said...

"Brooke, carefully look over the text you are quoting and see if you can find the word "illegal" in there."

If Comey's release of his unclassified memo which he created is not illegal then what is it? Immoral?

Brookzene said...

"If Comey's release of his unclassified memo which he created is not illegal then what is it? Immoral?"

I'll answer my own q. It's someone calling the fire department.

Big Mike said...
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Birkel said...

@ Brookzene

What do you think laundering his leak through a third party was if not an act of concealment? Do you know a definition of the verb to conceal to which nobody else is privy?

Sammy Finkelman said...

What Comey is not daaying is that when Trump asked Comey to let Mike Flynn go, Cmey did (or at least let it be known)

The Senate committee evidently didn’t discover this story, or similar ones dxerivative of it:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-flynn/index.html

or similar ones derivative of it:

Here’s how it appeared on the KTLA (Channel 5 in Los Angeles) website:

http://ktla.com/2017/02/16/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-michael-flynn-law-enforcement-officials/

FBI Not Expected to Pursue Charges Against Michael Flynn: Law Enforcement Officials

Posted 3:01 PM, February 16, 2017, by CNN Wire

The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia’s ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday..

This was two days after James Comey’s meeting with Donald Trump in the Oval Office.


But even earlier:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/832013379124486148?p=v

Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto

Breaking: FBI NOT expected to pursue charges against #MichaelFlynn regarding phone calls w/Russian Ambassador, reports @evanperez

3:45 PM – 15 Feb 2017

——————————-

Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto

Replying to @jimsciutto

More: FBI says Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers

3:47 PM – 15 Feb 2017

Thngs turned on a dime:

At 6:25 am February 15, Zero Hedge has this: (that's Feb 15 in spite of the URL saying Feb 14)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-14/mike-flynn-may-face-felony-charges-lying-fbi

But by 10 pm Zero Hedge reports:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/fbi-reportedly-will-not-pursue-charges-against-cooperative-and-truthful-mike-flynn







Bad Lieutenant said...

MayBee said...
Here's one way they are the same:

Comey thought he was the one man above both. He didn't resign when Lynch asked him to go along with the Clinton campaign, and he didn't resign when Trump said he hoped Flynn would be cleared. He was the one incorruptible man in all of Washington DC, and with enough power in Comey's hands, he alone could deliver justice. Try to influence an investigation? Comey can tolerate that.
The one thing Comey could not tolerate was being fired. Oh, it isn't blackmail, but he will tell unflattering things about you if you fire him. Keep him in power, and he'll keep your secrets.
6/8/17, 10:43 PM

Comey, the Vicar of Bray!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vicar_of_Bray

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vicar_of_Bray_(song)

...And this is law, I will maintain
Unto my Dying Day, Sir.
That whatsoever King may reign,
I will be the Vicar of Bray, Sir!

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