June 27, 2017

Fake news about fake news.

Rush Limbaugh, today:
Three CNN members of the new investigative unit have resigned, i.e., been fired. One of them is a guy named Thomas Frank...  the name might ring a bell. This guy wrote a book way back when called What’s the Matter With Kansas or What’s Wrong With Kansas? He is an active, uber-leftist. He despises conservatism, and his book about What’s the Matter with Kansas, What’s Wrong With Kansas, was his befuddlement over how middle class Americans in Kansas would vote Republican and thereby vote against their own self-interest....
That caught my attention. What?! Thomas Frank — What's the Matter With Kansas Thomas Frank — was one of the 3 guys fired for the fake news on CNN?! That didn't seem right.

Later in the show, Rush was all...
You know, I was afraid of this. I know that there are two Thomas Franks, and I asked somebody to find out for me today, I was in a time crunch, and I said, “Find out for me if the Thomas Frank at CNN is the same Thomas Frank who wrote the book on Kansas,” and they came back, “Yes, same guy.” But I know there’s a second one out there. So now Snerdley is getting Drive-By calls saying it’s a different Thomas Frank. The author who wrote the book on Kansas is not the Thomas Frank who was on the CNN investigative unit and got blown out, fired, canned, resigned, what have you. So my bad. I thought I had nailed that down. There are two of ’em. One of them may be Franks, the last name may be Franks, Thomas Franks and Thomas A. Frank, I’m not sure which, but I know there are two of them. And I thought they were the same.
Well, how exactly are you better than CNN if you run with something without checking it out competently? I don't see how "I was in a time crunch" is an acceptable excuse.

By the way, Thomas Frank's newest book — "Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?" — is excellent.

And as long as I'm talking about the 3 fired CNN guys, let me show you the ludicrous final paragraph of the Washington Post column by Eric Wemple, "Three CNN employees resign over retracted story on Russia ties":
Critics will long cite this episode as evidence that CNN is precisely what Trump has called it — “fake news.” Yet the departure of three journalists immediately following a mangled story provides a counterpoint to this particular slander. Purveyors of fake news, after all, don’t take drastic personnel moves following a bogus story. They rejoice in it.
They got caught! Publicly. They had to put on a show that they don't tolerate fake news. That's exactly what a purveyor of fake news would do.

94 comments:

DKWalser said...

Maybe Rush was mimicking CNN by running with a story before checking it out. It would fit his performance art approach.

MayBee said...

They want us, the consumers, to really really care about the difference between a news source nobody has ever heard of, that just makes up stories and puts them on the internet for your crazy friend from high school to repost on Facebook....vs the news sources that have huge budgets and white house passes and sponsor presidential debates and takes stories from their sources and put them on the internet for other journalists to cover, and sometimes even for special prosecutors to get appointed over.

MayBee said...

What CNN did is obviously a much worse thing than some Macedonian spammer saying Michelle Obama unfriended Hillary Clinton on Facebook.

But they want us to care more about the latter, and they call it fake news as if it's a thing.

Bay Area Guy said...

Thomas "What's the matter with Kansas" Frank is very good. One of my favorite liberals.

He's really zoned in on how the white-working class has been shafted by the cultural elites of the Democratic Party, and have gradually migrated to the GOP -- over economic issues. He also notes this is happening with minority working class folks -- albeit at a much slower pace.

More Thomas Frank, less Paul Krugman, I say.


p.s. Getting the name (Thomas Frank) wrong isn't fake news. That's just a mistake. Not a big deal.

p.p.s The Russian "Collusion" story is fake news -- a total propaganda campaign, generated by loyal Obama leakers, fueled by idiots at the NYTimes, WAPost and CNN.

johns said...

Rush Limbaugh's mistake is not comparable to that of CNN because 1) Rush is a talk show host with well-known right-of-center opinions, while CNN is a "news" network; 2) getting two people with the same name mixed up is not comparable to running a scurrilous story about the President; and 3) Rush's mistake was minor--who cares which Thomas Frank was working at CNN? Eric Lichtblau is a Pulitzer-winning former NYT reporter who should have known better.

And Wemple should be bemoaning the state of journalism, not defending CNN

CWJ said...

No, Rush screwed up. Period. His explanation was pretty lame.

Ann Althouse said...

"Maybe Rush was mimicking CNN by running with a story before checking it out. It would fit his performance art approach."

Not a chance, because you've got completely unwarranted collateral damage to Thomas Frank. And if that was done on purpose, it's even worse.

buwaya said...

I made the same mistake yesterday.

Bill Harshaw said...

IMHO CNN's prompt action and ouster of journalists contrasts favorably with Fox's handling of the Stephen Rich story.

MayBee said...

Doesn't it make you wonder about other stories by these same journalists?

Erick Lichtblau was quite celebrated at the NYT.

Earnest Prole said...

Sounds like Rush is back to being a junkie again.

Ann Althouse said...

Rush is under a lot of pressure to churn out 3 hours a day on the fly. He has ways of finessing it and making the finessing feel like part of the fun of getting us the latest and working very hard right down to the wire. And he's doing commentary, not news reporting.

He did correct the error relatively quickly. But he was doing a story about fake news and did fake news, and as with the fake news that CNN stumbled into — making a show, seeking ratings — a specific individual's name was carelessly besmirched. It's especially bad on the radio because people could turn the show on or off at any point. They often don't hear the correction.

And Rush's characterization of Frank as "an active, uber-leftist" is also pretty unfair, though it's characterizable as a matter of opinion.

I encourage you to click on my Thomas Frank tag and read some of the posts about "Listen, Liberal." It's serious analysis of the problems with today's liberal politics. Written prior to the Trump phenomenon, it's quite prescient.

traditionalguy said...

Nobody messes with Althouse. Not even a same birthday mate. But the show must go on.

The new Spicer replacement lady did a perfect live video Press Briefing today , and she destroyed CNN. It was hard to watch.I think CNN has finally gotten the Donald to morph into a Clint Eastwood very Dirty Harry. But Trump made CNN an example of what not to do to him.



Bay Area Guy said...

Glenn Greenwald -- another left-winger I like -- wrote a good article today on CNN's bogus Russian obsession


Money graf:

"BUT CNN IS hardly alone when it comes to embarrassing retractions regarding Russia. Over and over, major U.S. media outlets have published claims about the Russia Threat that turned out to be completely false — always in the direction of exaggerating the threat and/or inventing incriminating links between Moscow and the Trump circle. In virtually all cases, those stories involved evidence-free assertions from anonymous sources that these media outlets uncritically treated as fact, only for it to be revealed that they were entirely false."

Diamondhead said...

Yeah, must've had something to do with the McMansion story

Unknown said...

Rush Limbaugh can do the honourable thing and fire himself. Ah no, he can't do that because he is a Trumpski.

What's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

traditionalguy said...

Did Rush just blame unnamed sources for the name switcheroo.

Inga said...

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. He should fire Snerdly.

Richard Dillman said...

At least Rush apologized. I really don't take his gaffe very seriously. It is a huge mistake to view Rush as a news source. He's a commentator, a comedian, and a satirist, who provides occassional insights and perceptive comments.
The left hates him mostly because he mocks them, and they can't stand being mocked, although they reserve the right
constantly mock conservatives of any stripe. Satire is the anti-venom for leftist propaganda.

Michael K said...

I see the lefties have weighed in with nonsense.

"I made the same mistake yesterday."

I saw it. Rush should read your comments.

Frank is a lefty even though he seems to be realizing that the lefty songbook is not going over.

His column in the WSJ was a waste of time and was cancelled.

Michael K said...

"Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. He should fire Snerdly."

Shame on you. Snerdly is black.

Darrell said...

He corrected himself. Don't be a pedantic cooze stooge.

steve uhr said...

Now that they messed up we can be confident they will take more care in the future, making them the go to reliable source for all things Russian

Michael said...

Nothing he said about the author of the Kansas book was wrong or "false." He wrongly, falsely, conflated the author with a "journalist." He corrected it immediately upon discovering he was wrong. This is a total non story, more false than false news.

khesanh0802 said...

Thomas Frank's book "Listen, Liberal......." should be required reading for the entire Democratic party. I don't agree with some of Frank's solutions, but his analysis of today's Democratic party is right on the money. Hillary and company committed every Democratic sin he identifies.

Fen said...

"How is Rush better than CNN in this regard?"

Simple - Rush explained the DETAILS of why he got it wrong, he didn't just retract with some boilerplate BS like CNN did.

We don't expect people to be perfect, they will make mistakes. But when they do they need TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES so that we, the information consumer, can judge for ourselves whether it's a plausible good faith mistake.

CNN REFUSES to do this, so it looks more like systemic corruption of an information broker. CNN DOES NOT TRUST US to decide on our own whether 1) their reporters just made an honest mistake or 2) they got caught in a deliberate lie and had to cut bait.

Information brokers like stock brokers. Assume your stock broker fails to short sell when you asked. What is his reason? He explains he was in the Emergency Room? Or does he float some vague company apology without any explanation of what went wrong? One is an accident, the other a cover up. Of what?

It's entirely plausible RUSH mixed up two people with the same name. Someone here on Althouse did exact same thing - picked the wrong Thomas Frank.

It's entirely plausible his research staff screwed it up too, even though they already knew their were two and we checking. Who here has never double checked something and STILL got it wrong?

CNN has not been forthcoming about what specifically caused them to pull the story. Nor have they explained what led to mistakes (?) that made it necessary to yank the story.

I think it's because CNN does not want us in their kitchen to see how the sausage is made. I think it's because CNN knows they could not withstand public scrutiny of just how fast and loose they play with the news.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Ann Althouse said...

He did correct the error relatively quickly.

How often does CNN do this?

But he was doing a story about fake news and did fake news, and as with the fake news that CNN stumbled into — making a show, seeking ratings — a specific individual's name was carelessly besmirched.

CNN has never done this?

It's especially bad on the radio because people could turn the show on or off at any point. They often don't hear the correction.

And people can't turn off CNN?

Sebastian said...

@AA: "They got caught!" Exactly.

@Greenwald: "Over and over, major U.S. media outlets have published claims about the Russia Threat that turned out to be completely false." And they don't care, until they absolutely are driven into a corner. We cynical conservatives have not been cynical enough.

Though he targeted the Clintons, Hitchens was wrong: the left has plenty of people left to lie to, and lots left to lie about. They like it that way.

tcrosse said...

It's a chance for our resident Clintonoids to get their Tu Quoques off.

John Tuffnell said...

Oh my. Ann messed up her post about Rush messing up his riff about Thomas Frank messing up the Trump/Russia connection.

Trump hate messes people up, even twice removed.

Fen said...

Althouse, do you believe Rush's explanation for why he got that information wrong? Yes or no, doesn't matter - the point is that YOU have enough information to use your own judgement.

Now, look at the CNN retraction. Do you have enough information to even extend the benefit of doubt that it was a mistake made in good faith? I certainly dont. Just some gibberish about not meeting editorial standards.

Sebastian said...

@myself (apologies): "Though he targeted the Clintons, Hitchens was wrong." Which I wrote before reading the Hitchens post below! Honest! Not fake!

Anyway, don't mean to argue with Hitchens, of all people. I miss him.

eric said...

Is this fake news about fake news about fake news?

No.

Because Ann and Rush aren't news. They are opinion.

Therefore, only one fake news. The universe is saved.

Ralph L said...

Reporter T F's web page makes a big deal of his Pulitzer finalism.
Newsday was one of those lefty rags which I haven't heard of in years. Same with USA Today, but it tried for some balance.

Virgil Hilts said...

What it Trump reads Ann today (expects he checks on here from time to time) and decides to tweet out "Zillow is fake news."

Achilles said...

I understand Ann is trying to remain "neutral" and come at both sides. The difference is that Rush is acting in good faith and CNN is not.

CNN producer caught on tape admitting he thinks the Russia collusion story is bullshit."

Rush admits where he comes from politically. He tries to get things right and makes open honest corrections when he doesn't.

CNN pretends it is neutral. CNN pretends to believe what it is saying. CNN doesn't try to get the story right. It is openly trying to misinform.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Zzz...

Paddy O said...

Real Estate websites are the worst! They're part of the cabal to bring down America! Why just yesterday I was looking up a house in SoCal, was shocked to see it listed as 2 bedroom, 2 bath, when Google Maps clearly shows a house with multiple add-ons since it was first built in 1953. Talk about fake news about real estate! I don't even dare look up addresses in Rio Linda on Zillow!

Earnest Prole said...

Fire Snerdley? His relationship with Rush has outlived three fake marriages; they're together for life.

glenn said...

CNN has a long and thoroughly dishonorable history of attacking conservatives who didn't have the resources to fight back. Prime example was Wolf Blitzers calling out a 52 year old Colorado Tea Party organizer who had the same name as the theater shooter. This time the victim of the attack had the resources and the connections to really do damage. If he hadn't the three who resigned would still be at CNN working on the next big Trump/Russia story.

Virgil Hilts said...

For years Zillow has claimed our house has 6.75 bathrooms. Fake. Fake. Fake.

readering said...

Feigned outrage. Yawn.

YoungHegelian said...

@Paddy/Virgil,

Fake real estate listings long precede Zillow.

When some years ago, we applied to re-finance the loan, the loan officer balked because she claimed to have a comparable two houses up the street that had more square footage, two more bedrooms & a bathroom. The only problem with her analysis is that we were good friends with the couple who moved in after the "improvements" were made. It turns out that those bedrooms, bathroom, & square footage were all below grade in a very subdivided basement.

We got the loan.

Francisco D said...

A mistake is a mistake, not fake news.

Fake news is doubling down on discredited propaganda.

Molly said...

I happened to be listening to Rush when he said this, and I thought it was wrong. The book author is too elevated to be a CNN reporter. But I googled "Thomas Frank disambiguation" and the only Thomas Frank showing up was the author -- the disambiguation went to Thomas Franck different spelling.

I then googled "Thomas Frank CNN" and got images (photos) that were clearly of a different man (different age) than the author Thomas Frank (photo on wikipedia page).

This took me -- I don't know -- 10 minutes.

I know Limbaugh relies heavily on staff for this (though he pretends it's just himself and Cookie); but staff let him down and should have waved him off. It was a minor point (not really relevant to the main thing he wanted to put out about media bias), but it should have been fact checked. And the error does undermine Limbaugh in the same way (though not to the same degree) that CNNs error undermines its credibility.

Not to the same degree because Limbaugh can reasonably fall back on the claim, "I'm just an entertainer." But it certainly undercuts his claim to be "America's truth detector".

Rusty said...

Earnest Prole said...
Fire Snerdley? His relationship with Rush has outlived three fake marriages; they're together for life.

FYI "Snerdley" is a generic name for his staff members. He has 10 or 12 people that help him run his show. All of whom are "Snerdleys".
His intention wasn't to mislead. He corrected his mistake. Not the same as CNN.

Jim at said...

You just let me know the next time CNN comes out, flatly admits an error, apologizes for it and makes the correction like Rush did. And THEN we can make comparisons.

Thanks.

Tom from Virginia said...

Aww, c'mon Ann.

But keep up the good work. You're amazing.

rhhardin said...

Rush isn't trying to get it wrong.

My name goes here. said...

"Well, how exactly are you better than CNN if you run with something without checking it out competently? I don't see how "I was in a time crunch" is an acceptable excuse. "

Well, he apologized, corrected the error, and gave evidence of the reason for his error that was a)believable and b)answered all of the obvious questions about getting it wrong all DURING THE SAME BROADCAST.

How is this different than CNN?

IMHO, for CNN to have done what Rush did would require the president or the editor to take to the airwaves and apologize, correct the error, give a reason for this (and other) errors that was a)believeable and b)answer all of the obvious questions.

Answer number 2 about how this is different, Rush cares about his credibility.

harkin said...

43.And they continue to dig deeper:

Unreliable Source Brian Stelter himself wrote the story on the firings and included this bit of weasel wisdom:

“In a staff meeting Monday afternoon, investigative unit members were told that the retraction did not mean the facts of the story were necessarily wrong. Rather, it meant that “the story wasn’t solid enough to publish as-is,”

https://amp.cnn.com/money/2017/06/26/media/cnn-announcement-retracted-article/index.html

Upon being called out on this Dan Rather bit of “false but accurate” hokum (and maybe thinking about his own job), he quickly followed with this tweet:

“Brian Stelter @brianstelter

To be clear, nothing in my story should be taken to imply that Scaramucci is under investigation. “

As for comparing Rush's name gaffe with this engineered smear that even CNN admitted shortcutted around standards of "journalism, fact-checking and legal review"....

SIRIUSLY??

Ken B said...

I used to read Wemple regularly and respect him. Since the election though he's been like, well, like this. An excuse-monger for anything anti-Trump.

Ken B said...

I think the difference with Rush Limbaugh is intent, and scale He did not make up a fake story to impugn Thomas Frank. He didn't gin up the story because he wanted to nail Mr Frank. He made a sloppy error because it appealed to his confirmation bias. And it was one factual error, not a catenary of falsehoods. The CNN piece was not one bit of sloppy fact checking, it was not jumping too soon to one factual error. It was assembled carefully.

Ann Althouse said...

Sorry about the 2 sentences about Zillow. I was trying to add that to another post and screwed up. Fixed now.

Mountain Maven said...

If you've lost Glenn Greenwald..

Fen said...

Brian Stelter of CNN: Other than false accusation, the story is accurate...

Clueless weasel. He must think CNN viewers are stupid.

Anyone remember Dan Rather, clueless that goose was coocked? He weaseled out something close to: "some people have questioned if this memo is faked. Let me reassure our viewers, if that's so, CBS will be the first to break that story".

Completely unaware that Free Republic,LGF and Powerline had already obliterated the story.

Mary Beth said...

"How is Rush better than CNN in this regard?"

He corrected his mistake, on air, in the same broadcast. To be like CNN, he would have had to delete the audio and that section of the transcript with no mention other than a vague "editor's note" on another webpage about its removal.

Ann Althouse said...

I've deleted some of the references to my mistake because they are now confusing.

I see the point was made that I, like Rush made a mistake. But I didn't choose to go forward with some that wrongly attacked a person. My attack, against an entity, is intended but was added to the wrong post. It's now where it belongs and it is not retracted.

Earnest Prole said...

If you've lost Glenn Greenwald.

To the contrary, Glenn Greenwald is famous for being a progressive who refused to reflexively adopt the Democratic Party line. If you doubt, google Greenwald + Obama or watch him go up against various leftist hacks on youtube.

Ken B said...

I agree with Earnest Prole. While my opinion of Wemple has collapsed my opinion of Greenwald has soared. I don't agree with his politics, and he tends to let his pieces meander into foolish soap boxing, but he has shown an honesty and a duty of care almost absent from the rest of the media. Look up for example his evisceration of numerous bad WaPo stories on Trump.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Limblown reported something inaccurate?

FAKE NEWS!!!

Actually, FAT, FAKE NEWS!!!

Jupiter said...

Frank's analysis is interesting as to *how* the Democrats have fucked up, but he misses the boat on why. From the review "excellent but wanting" at Amazon;

"Karp’s explanation is a variant of what is known as Robert Michels’ “iron law of oligarchy” which in essence claims that the leadership of an institution is first and foremost concerned about its own power within the institution rather than the power of the institution itself."

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Does Limblown still do drugs on his show?

It's ok. I'm sure Cracker Beauregard will go easy on him.

Even though the Oxy-Contin Fatty Limblown prefers kills more people than heroin, the government sanctions it. So it's ok in Sessions' book.

Jupiter said...

"Even though the Oxy-Contin Fatty Limblown prefers kills more people than heroin, the government sanctions it."

Good call, Toothless. You are correct that the federal government pays for most of the prescription opioids abused in the US, while making SSDI payments to the addicts. It's called "The Great Society". Also "The Social Safety Net". It's run by lawyers, you'll be pleased to know.

Earnest Prole said...

FYI "Snerdley" is a generic name for his staff members.

Yeah, no. Limbaugh may have occasionally referred to other screeners as “Snerdley,” but Bo Snerdley, in real life James Golden, has been with Limbaugh for thirty years; as with many long-term relationships they have even come to resemble each other somewhat.

Here’s an interview with James Golden by Clarence Thomas’ wife Ginni Thomas, and here’s a New York Times profile of Limbaugh where Snerdley makes a cameo appearance. Love is a beautiful thing.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Good call, Toothless. You are correct that the federal government pays for most of the prescription opioids abused in the US, while making SSDI payments to the addicts. It's called "The Great Society". Also "The Social Safety Net". It's run by lawyers, you'll be pleased to know.

What a way to miss the point. You hit on something, and then went all scattershot. Regardless of who pays for what, Oxy's pretty legal. Others, even non-toxic alternatives that decrease the death rate, are not. I'll leave it to you (or maybe Limblown's gumshoeing to figure out what those are. The ones Beauregard Sessions is going to take out. The ones that the states have rebelled against the Feds on).

Oxy's got big pharma manufacturing it. Maybe once weed profits rival those of prescription opioid manufacturers' the government will listen to the former instead of the latter.

Here's hope that one day you scattershots will follow and go after what the moneyed interests are doing to the government, instead of hounding the poor people who should be helped instead of hurt by it.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...
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Tom said...

He corrected his error quickly - there's a difference. He might otherwise be intentially misleading. But it doesn't appear to be the case here.

n.n said...

Self-correction is evidence of personal integrity.

Fen said...

Ritmo: "does Limbaugh still do drugs blah blah please kill me now I am miserable scum"

Classy.

Millions of Americans get hooked on pain meds after surgery. That's why hospitals started to ration the usage, even if it meant a little more pain. I bet everyone here knows someone who complained their pain med prescription was shorter than it should have been.

I wish for you to experience an event where your pain was managed by an oxy precription. Let you discover first hand what it's like to deal with.

Michael K said...

Well,I can see it is well into the afternoon/evening when the trolls come out.

Bye.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

I've taken opioids for pain before, you dumbass. I've taken them the way they're supposed to be taken - as short-acting opioid/acetaminophen combinations once every few hours - only if you need them. Long-acting opioids have no clinical role in any pain other than for cancer, pretty much. But the physicians were marketed to by an unregulated pharma industry - unregulated by your conservative congress critters who HATE the FDA with a passion, and here we are.

Now there are efforts to undo the damage (and some, to be fair, had to do with physicians who refused to realize that pain management was its own speciality). But it's also government ONCE AGAIN to the rescue: State databases to check out who's doctor shopping so the pharmacies and physicians can see who was and who wasn't offered #100 count of these three days ago.

And the other governments coming to the rescue? The states! (Cue Western cavalry music here). Those that have gone against idiot Cracker Beauregard Sessions have seen a decrease in their prescription opioid overdose rate. But Cracker Sessions knows best. He's the fedrul attuney genrul, ya heah? All knowin' and all powafal, ya heah?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/28/opioid-abuse-is-plummeting-in-states-with-legal-marijuana/

He's yer attruney genrul, ya heah? You must listen to him and heed his wise command! He does whatever Dear Leader Trump wants and you must do what he wants. That's the way the American civilian chain-of-command works.

Do it. Do what he says.

Fen said...

Althouse: "I was trying to add that to another post and screwed up"

See? You gave us detail into how your mistake was made, so that we could see for ourselves what process led to the error an whether it's plausible you made the mistake in good faith. Just as Rush did.

CNN has not done that. There explanation is vague and uninformative. My wife even pointed out that it's not 100% clear these guys resigned to avoid getting fired it resigned in protest. It's implied, but in a clintonesque way.

Where is the detail? This is a huge story. CNN just got busted peddling fake news to attack the President of the United States. This is Dan Rather MemoGate territory.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Well,I can see it is well into the afternoon/evening when the trolls come out.

This is not a day-care center, Gramps.

Fen said...

Ritmo: "blah blah blah"

So you claim to have first hand experience with the addictive nature of pain meds, but still you go for the cheap shot re Limbaugh's addiction..

My bad, I forgot you have zero integrity.

Ralph L said...

This is not a day-care center, Gramps.
Althouse should do an age poll. Bet that most commenters are over 50. Laslo's brain is 14.

Michael K said...

I guess Ann forgot the "Civility " tag.

How is that career at McDonalds going, punk ?

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

So you claim to have first hand experience with the addictive nature of pain meds,

I never said I got addicted to a pain medication. What have you got against reading?

Did someone abuse you with a book when you were young?

..but still you go for the cheap shot re Limbaugh's addiction..

Limblown's addicted... to what, exactly? Beating up on street addicts... or anyone less exalted than he thinks he is? Addicted to making his voice sound like a buzzsaw? Addicted to partisan ideological hackery and social warfare against the majority of his country?

My bad, I forgot you have zero integrity.

If I wanted lessons on integrity I'd go to someone who has any of it.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

How is that career at McDonalds going, punk ?

You almost done for the night, Gramps?

Sundowning time is almost over there, champ. Stop throwing the little paper cup full of pills at the nurse and ask for some water to help them go down.

roesch/voltaire said...

How many people/reporters have been fired from right wing new outlets for the pizza gate story? None that is the difference.

M Jordan said...

Limbaugh's a blow-hard. He should have remembered there are two Thomas Franks because he's mentioned it in the past. Plus I don't buy his blaming a staffer. But worst of all, he's wrong about Thomas Frank, author of "What's the Matter With Kansas." The guy isn't a pure liberal. He's written some very honest pieces about libs and conservatives. The book Ann mentioned, which I wasn't aware of, sounds like it's in this vein.

I really get annoyed with Limbaugh though I do still like him when he's not 1) Hawking his stupid Rush Revere books, 2) using callers as shills to rave about him and his Rush Revere books, 3) masking adverts in with chat to fool you, and 4) being a blow-hard.

Fen said...

Ritmo: "I never said I got addicted to pain meds"

Well then you don't know wtf you are talking about. And you are in no place to judge.

You're no better than the jackass who blames Flirty Girl for being gang raped. And then mocks her for getting knocked up.

One would think that anyone who has been on pills to manage pain would appreciate how addictive they are and have some sympathy for those that become addicts while trying to manage chronic pain. Instead, you equate them to Crack Whores.

What a sad pathetic creature you are.

Original Mike said...

"How many people/reporters have been fired from right wing new outlets for the pizza gate story? None that is the difference."

I watch Fox News everyday. I never saw a report on "Pizza Gate". I still only vaguely know what it is, and that's because of lefties bringing it up here.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"I watch Fox News everyday. I never saw a report on "Pizza Gate"

Yeah, that story came and went quickly and Fox shied away from it. By comparison, the media has been braying about Russian for months now.

"I still only vaguely know what it is, and that's because of lefties bringing it up here."

Lefties like to bring it up here so they can dishonestly claim it's equivalent to their ridiculous Russia fantasies.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Well then you don't know wtf you are talking about.

Why, yes I do, actually.

And you are in no place to judge.

I'm in a place to arbitrate. Judging is for people a bit too emotionally invested.

You're no better than the jackass who blames Flirty Girl for being gang raped. And then mocks her for getting knocked up.

Not sure what this is supposed to mean but I hope it makes sense to you.

One would think that anyone who has been on pills to manage pain would appreciate how addictive they are and have some sympathy for those that become addicts while trying to manage chronic pain. Instead, you equate them to Crack Whores.

One would think that anyone who has sold his soul to Uncle Same would appreciate the desperation of a crack whore and have some sympathy for those that become addicted to street versions of the same prescription drugs that people like you use to get high. Instead, you proclaim your superiority to them.

What a sad pathetic creature you are.

No sadness or need of empathy here. Just pointing out the many blind spots of what you're missing.

iowan2 said...

The reports keep repeating that the article was "bad reporting". I call bullshit. This was not bad, or careless. It's all an intentional lie. With President Trump in charge, the media has long ago given up on reporting facts. Am I the only one that has noticed, not a single faked scandle has a basis in reality, (add judges and prosecutors to the list of liars)

Fen said...

Here's an interesting question for our resident Lefties - What evidence would convince you that the "Trump Colluded With Russia To Steal Election" narrative was complete bullshit ginned up to mobilize demoralized Dems while handicapping Trump?

Go on the record now. Draw the line you won't cross. Do it now before Project Veritas releases a 2nd 3rd and 4th round of damning videotape.

What would it take to convince you it was all a lie?

gadfly said...

Rush continued his protect Trump at all costs by reviewing a shakey claim by two journalists that Michael Flynn was set up because he supported a sexual harassment claim against Deputy Director (now acting Director) Andrew McCabe of the FBI. Forget that Flynn lied to the Vice President about his financial involvement with the Russians and the Turks. And where has this story been for the past year?

Sadly the King of Talk Radio has abandoned his conservative principles to support a basically dishonest President whose personal lawyer is a crook, big time, stealing from charities he runs - and his son-in-law is riding involvement with the President for personal gain for his real estate company.

Populist Trump supporters who were looking for less elitism in government are now witnessing more of the same.

Lewis Wetzel said...

Lichtblau has received a Pulitzer. He should be ashamed to show his face in public. He should have been the adult in the room. Instead, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist was fired, ignominiously, by a second-rate cable network.
As far as I can tell, this disgrace was not an outlier. Lichtblau, Frank, and Harris violated all the rules of good journalism, the rules that are supposed to make them better than "fake news" outlets like the National Enquirer. They used a single, shaky, anonymous source, who supplied them with unconfirmed and unconfirmable "facts".
I don't know what Trump is doing to America, but he is definitely destroying the elite profession of MSM journalism.

Gretchen said...

While assuming they were the same guy was foolish, especially because of th relatively common names, the difference is Limbaugh offered an immediate retraction when he found out he was wrong. Limbaugh is an entertainer, and makes no secret of his political affiliation, CNN pretends to be a news organization.

Yancey Ward said...

That is screw up by Limbaugh. I considered that it was performance art, but the transcript just reads like a completely boneheaded mistake- you don't have to ask someone to check such a detail- it literally takes 10 seconds to do so using Google, and what makes it worse is that Limbaugh knew there were two Thomas Franks active in political writing, not one.

And Ms. Althouse instincts are correct- on the surface, there is no reason to fire these people and not fire the people who, for example, wrote the false story about what Comey was going to say in his testimony, but the difference is that management could literally see the organization's reputation for truthfulness was suffering a catastrophic hit day after day, and these three hapless idiots just happened to get caught at the latest instant. It won't help CNN- they are beyond hopeless on this Russian hoax- they will go down with the ship on this one, kicking out a rat or two along the way.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

What would it take to convince you it was all a lie?

Ten years of tax returns proving no Russian financial conflicts - let alone those already admitted to by Eric Trump.

Shouldn't be too much to ask of a lead birther conspiracist like your Leader.

Rusty said...

I see the vodka bowser arrived.

William Chadwick said...

CNN's Thomas Frank, not to be confused with book-writing Thomas Frank, whose most recent book is, "What's the Matter With Me, and Why is the State's Mailed Fist So Far Up My Butt?" It's a real page turner.