Okay. Try again. Here:
The editorial board of the Billings Gazette, a CNN affiliate, retracted its endorsement of Gianforte, stating, "We believe that you cannot love America, love the Constitution, talk about the importance of a free press and then pummel a reporter."The Constitution protects freedom of speech and freedom of the press not just for reporters, but for everyone. And the Constitution guarantees due process for the criminally accused. Someone who would "strongly condemn a politician committing assault on a reporter" might also demonstrate a love of constitutional values by refraining from assuming that a particular individual accused of committing a crime is guilty. The hesitation to condemn Gianforte — I believe, even though I averted my eyes from yesterday's swarming and feasting — had to do with a fear that an audiotape was being exploited and possibly distorted to raise a sudden frenzy just as an election was occurring.
Tapper echoed the newspaper's stance.
"Let us add that those public officials finding it difficult these days to muster the courage to strongly condemn a politician committing assault on a reporter, maybe you need to reexamine how much you truly love the Constitution beyond just saying the words," he said.
You talk about courage, but jumping into a frenzied mob isn't a mark of courage. Show me everyone who without hesitation condemned Gianforte, and I'd like to know whether he or she either: 1. Wanted the Republican to lose the election, or 2. Was afraid of getting attacked for endorsing violence. Is there anyone left? Show me the man or woman of true courage.
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Maybe it's whataboutism, but: the same Media that's happy to treat actual terrorists like Bill Ayers with respect--that's happy to act as a credible mouthpiece for terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera, to give op-ed space to convicted terrorist Marwan Barghouti, to put a child-murdering terrorist bomber literally on the cover of the Rolling Stone--that same Media is trying to make me feel guilty for not speaking up loudly enough when a reporter gets shoved?
I dunno, fellas, maybe you ought to go in for some of that "why do they hate us?!" stuff you trot out when people attack the US...do some deep thinking, that sort of thing.
Earnest Prole said...To return to Althouse's original question, shouldn't people be "afraid of getting attacked for endorsing violence," just as they should be afraid of getting attacked for endorsing rape or any other barbarous act? Isn't this fear the foundation of a civil society?
That's a social and/or cultural norm, EP. From a moral standpoint it's a pretty good one! Once you break it, though, by excusing riotous behavior as "mostly peaceful," by laughing about and defending it when someone violently assaults/sucker punches someone else because "the guy who got hit was a Nazi anyway," etc etc, that norm is broken. People learn!
It's vitally important to condemn violence used for political ends because once that's seen as acceptable it's a recipe for disaster, every time. Just having "more cops" to prevent violence won't solve it (you just get escalation and an authoritarian crackdown cycle)--it has to be a social norm. Recently lots of people in the Media have seemed to take the position that violence and lawbreaking undertaken to oppose Trump and/or the alt-Right (however defined!) is ok because "this time it's different" or something. You can't un-break that norm, though, and having broken it you can't credibly turn around and call for help enforcing it when the norm-violation looks like it threatens you!
Wait, knocking a Guardian reporter to the ground is despicable and heinous? Since when? Seems rather honorable to me.
That's because you belong in North Korea, want an unaccountable executive, and make up your own alternative facts to fit your warped and psychotic excuse for a worldview.
Oh yes: Weren't you the one who said you could watch someone get cold-cocked all day long? I believe it was you.
A Nazi getting hit by a non-legislator? Yes, I can see why that would offend a Nazi like yourself.
Thus proving that hypocrisy is one of your defining traits.
What a cockroach you are. Try reading for a change. Although, I don't doubt that reading is too civilized an activity to ask of someone who can't distinguish between what's expected behavior of a congressional representative and what's acceptable in just some random masked kid that your party has doubtlessly screwed over tons of times. Guess what? I really wouldn't mind if that kid hit you in your ugly mug, either. Not my fight. You go ahead and cheerlead/defend Nazis and thug Nazi-like reps all you want. If you want to take it to the streets, I'm sure you'll lose. You already can't win the government without massively cheating anyway - through overleveraged graft, gerrymandering and a nonstop propaganda machine.
You're outnumbered, and that's your problem. Don't give me crap just because no one buys your whiny pleas to be too genteel for the violence you get turned on by. Stop treating the citizens so damn violently if their contempt for you is starting to ruffle your stupid little snowflake feathers.
“The chaos that counter-protesters brought into the Minnesota Capitol in March during a rally in support of President Donald Trump included smoke bombs, mace in people’s faces and fireworks, prosecutors said Friday as they announced charges against eight people. . . . ‘When people seek to prevent others who are peacefully assembled from making their voices heard, it threatens the very foundation of our democracy and I am very pleased that we have gathered sufficient evidence to charge these individuals who we allege unlawfully took their counter protest activities too far,’ Choi said Friday.”
Why Ritmo, are you out on bail? Or are they letting you use the computer (with strict supervision of course):
"A leading young Democrat and de Blasio administration employee has a secret taste for sickening kiddie porn that involves baby girls as young as 6 months old, court papers revealed Friday.
Jacob Schwartz, 29, was busted for allegedly keeping more than 3,000 disgusting images and 89 videos on a laptop after downloading the filth from the internet.
The illegal smut shows “young nude females between the approximate ages of 6 months and 16, engaging in sexual conduct… on an adult male,” court papers say.
Your picture looks just exactly as I picture you looking:
http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/de-blasio-staffer-arrested-for-child-pornography/
Tell us some more about those smooth nicely shaped buttocks on the Coasts. You would know...
Anyone remember all the Democrat operatives huddled together on that JournoList site, threatening to shove republicans through plste glass windows?
Good times.
I mean, if you can call Michael K. Mengele and Vance a Nazi I can surely infer that you are a depraved kiddie porn fan whose daddy used to work for Bernie Sanders campaign? I mean, that's fair....
Ritmo have you priced that shotgun yet? And don't be ashamed, I think everyone will understand.
Thirty years ago
How the words would flow
With passion and precision
But now his mind is dark and dulled
With sickness and indecision
And he stares out the kitchen door
Where the sun will rise no more
- RUSH
Any more tu quoques you want to fling around, MS? (Or is that just what the "poorly educated," as Trump calls them, tend to do?)
Never noticed that I told any voters not to judge the actions of any of the other nobodies you mentioned. Probably because they weren't the topic of the post. And because no one knows about them.
Oh, now I see! You're saying that the flyover trolls have superior morality! Of course.
Flyover people like... Dennis Hastert (who was not a 29 y.o. petite functionary but an actual House Speaker!)
How about Larry Craig?
David Vitter?
Mark Foley?
We can go around with this all day long? What's the matter? Are you embarrassed that these sickos have in a few cases actually stayed in office?
Well, we can always count on a Republican to let another Republican off the hook. It's part of their partisan "anti-accountability" agenda. Revenge for having no choice but to turn on Nixon. And apparently the anticipation they felt at having to only go halfway on keeping the current Presidential Tantrum Thrower even partially accountable.
Let us know when you retrogrades decide to grow up. Even if by then you're all thrown the f*ck out of office.
"A Nazi getting hit by a non-legislator? Yes, I can see why that would offend a Nazi like yourself."
You seem like a "Nazi" to me asshole. Maybe someone should punch you.
But anyway, you and your left-wing pals should just imagine the Congressman punched a Reporter "Nazi" and stop whining about it.
That's the thing about the Left. They're either at your throat or at your feet - whining.
I mean, if you can call Michael K. Mengele and Vance a Nazi I can surely infer that you are a depraved kiddie porn fan whose daddy used to work for Bernie Sanders campaign? I mean, that's fair....
Because you're.... "poorly educated?" ;-)
Trump LOVES the poorly educated!
Who stoops to desperately comparing the face-smack of an obnoxious Nazi by a hooded nobody to a state's sole multi-millionaire congressional creep assaulting a reporter?
Someone who hates the press as much as the Nazis did, I guess.
There sure is a lot of looking and walking and quacking like ducks by a lot of professed non-ducks on this thread.
You seem like a "Nazi" to me asshole. Maybe someone should punch you.
Hmmm. What "Nazi" things do I do?
Attack a free and uncowed, enthusiastically investigative press?
Believe that all my country's problems will be solved if only the "correct" religious minority is sufficiently demeaned?
Suck up to authority and an authoritarian system?
Delude myself into thinking that only the right amount of a massively bloated military build-up (and parading it around) will keep my country strong?
How many of those boxes did you check off? Cause they're very much things that your Nazi friends were all about.
University of Chicago Great Books program, Ritmo.
University of...
Definitely not Trump's type.
Or at least not the type he thought he could con.
Chicago's a great school. Intense. But that's how it goes. And much respect for the studying the foundational classics. I've tried to get good translations of Homer, etc. but still can't make my way the whole way through - which might be beside the point when it comes to that style of literature but oh well.
I was going to ask you what you thought about Trump going back 180 degrees on some very clear campaign pledges but am now thinking, who cares. Not the point. You're happy with enough of what he does and that's where everything's at for now but no need to revert back to making things partisan again if you're well-rounded enough to study way more literature than I could ever have imagined being disciplined enough to do.
Have a good one.
You can't un-break that norm, though, and having broken it you can't credibly turn around and call for help enforcing it when the norm-violation looks like it threatens you!
We are in violent agreement.
Commenters endorsing tribal political violence for the right apparently have no idea how dopey they and their mirror-image counterparts on the left sound these days.
...a free and uncowed, enthusiastically investigative press?
90% of us would have no problem with that if that press had been around the previous eight years. Where did they go in that time? Since they made no effort to look into Obama any deeper than his own self serving statements, and only covered what they absolutely had to on Hillary, based on document dumps of various kinds, but for Trump now suddenly they are curious to look beyond the words again?
Sorry, nope. Not buying it.
BTW, claims like that are how you get more Trump.
BTW - for a lot of Montanans, it was the reporter who was the much more egregious violated of cultural and societal norms, than newly elected Rep Gianforte. Intellectually, you can appreciate that this is how reporters get stories, but emotionally, he pushed his way into a room where he wasn't invited and wasn't desired, then shoved the microphone in Gianforte's face, asking him questions that the candidate didn't want to answer at that point in time. That is like coming onto someone's land with No Trespassing signs, hunting there despite No Hunting signs. Just stuff that violates the cultural and societal norms of much of MT. Which is why a lot of people here saw Gianforte's actions as completely justified in view of the egregious (in their eyes) provocation on the part of the reporter.
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