It looks like Delta is the latest airline with a public relations problem.
What is fascinating is these news stories never seem to mention the role of federal government regulation in the the event of overbooking.
DOT regulations allow the airline to involuntarily bump a passenger. On top of that the regs price fix the amount of compensation the passenger receives.
Here is the relevant section.
§250.5 Amount of denied boarding compensation for passengers denied boarding involuntarily. (a) Subject to the exceptions provided in §250.6, a carrier to whom this part applies as described in §250.2 shall pay compensation in interstate air transportation to passengers who are denied boarding involuntarily from an oversold flight as follows:
(1) No compensation is required if the carrier offers alternate transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the passenger's first stopover, or if none, the airport of the passenger's final destination not later than one hour after the planned arrival time of the passenger's original flight;
(2) Compensation shall be 200% of the fare to the passenger's destination or first stopover, with a maximum of $675, if the carrier offers alternate transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the passenger's first stopover, or if none, the airport of the passenger's final destination more than one hour but less than two hours after the planned arrival time of the passenger's original flight; and
(3) Compensation shall be 400% of the fare to the passenger's destination or first stopover, with a maximum of $1,350, if the carrier does not offer alternate transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the passenger's first stopover, or if none, the airport of the passenger's final destination less than two hours after the planned arrival time of the passenger's original flight.
More godawful news from our idiotic "global war on terrorism." Why the fuck are American military personnel dying and getting wounded in Somalia? Are we at war with Somalia? Oh, oh...I see...he died going after Al-Shabaab. Psst...Al-Shabaab is an organization whose activities are confined to East Africa. If you're worried about the threat Al-Shabaab poses, let me offer a very simple solution...do not travel to East Africa.
It is beyond absurd (and depressing) that a continental superpower thinks it needs to waste treasure and precious American lives on a threat that means nothing to Americans. Show of hands, how many people here think their personal security is dependent on nation-building in Somalia? Tiny little suggestion....let's get American problems solved before trying to solve Somalia problems. I know that makes me a hopeless "nativist" and "isolationist," but can we at least argue the merits before resorting to the school yard bullshit?
The fact is that I for one don't know what's going on in Somalia that's worth our attention. Now that this news is coming about, I guess it will get our attention. Probably the aggressive reporting of anything that can be used to hurt Donald Trump or any Republican president will help to avoid any problems with us getting involved on the QT.
On whatever merits, I don't know whether it's worth treasure or blood. You seem to be pretty confident about that, which doesn't surprise me. Perhaps if it's a minor matter achieves some benefits a time hopefully minor cost, it is worth doing. Perhaps there is Winery chip litical ramifications to it. Again, I need to know more.
I would be more impressed with you and Pat Buchanan if you could tell me what could be expected to happen in these various areas in the absence of American involvement. Beyond, that is, "I don't care."
You're the one who doesn't like Mahan, right? Who do you favor in more modern sources again? Mackubin, or whoever wrote about the World-Island?
It made me blink to hear Stephen Hayes on Bret Baier's show tonight say that he was sure that the CIA indeed has plans on hand for assassinating Kim Young-un. I do not think the U.S. Gov't should be involved with assassinations at all and keep firmly to that position despite all we know about past such involvements.
Anyway, the North Koreans are supposed have several look-alikes to represent Kim Young-un for the cameras at official functions, so really, do we even know for sure that there is an original Kim Young-un anymore?
I would be more impressed with you and Pat Buchanan if you could tell me what could be expected to happen in these various areas in the absence of American involvement. Beyond, that is, "I don't care."
Simple thought experiment. What vital American interest is dependent on the existence of a militant organization in East Africa? Central Africa has seen internecine civil war, at a cost of millions of human lives, for decades. Did you experience any loss in your liberties as an American as a result? Did you feel it was America's duty to solve such a conflict? Should America try to solve the China-Taiwan dispute? Should we settle the issue of Tibetan nationalism? Do we need to be involved in Basque separatism to safeguard American liberty?
You're the one who doesn't like Mahan, right?
I have never commented on Mahan, because I am not familiar enough with the body of his work to have an informed opinion. I can tell you, though, that in terms of US defense, I am most sympathetic to a large and powerful navy. I would reduce the navy by a third while every other branch I would reduce by at least half. The US faces no significant military threats on the world stage, and the threat posed by radical jihadism has been consistently overblown and overhyped for a decade and a half.
It made me blink to hear Stephen Hayes on Bret Baier's show tonight say that he was sure that the CIA indeed has plans on hand for assassinating Kim Young-un.
South Korea's Intelligence Services for sure has contingency plans on a targeted assassination plot against Kim Jung-un, and they make no efforts to conceal such plans. Obviously, publicizing such plans is essentially a show of strength by the South and is mostly intended to deter North Korean aggression rather than an actionable plan.
What is most absurd about such talk is the US once again falling into the ridiculous trap of thinking that North Korea is the problem of a singular monster, and once you cut the monster's head off, victory is yours. An assassination of Kim Jung-un would not be the end of North Korea but only the beginning. We have no idea what kind of power struggle would ensue to fill the vacuum, and as Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya have proven, cutting off the head of the hydra most often ends in multiple new heads springing force in its place. An internal collapse of North Korea would be a disaster scenario for the Chinese and for the South Koreans, and it is cavalier in the extreme for the US to float such possibilities as destabilizing a peninsula with tens of millions of people on it (not to include tens of thousands of US military personnel).
I am not sure I want to start a thread on this, but seeing the prosecutors drop the rape cases against the two illegal aliens at Rockville High on the grounds that the sex was "consensual" is a little much if the description of the goings on in the original charge is anywhere near factual. Things being what they are today, I do not doubt the girl invited the party (but you must not blame the victim!), but it looks like she got a lot more than she had bargained for and therefore immediately went to the school authorities and reported it as rape. Which according to the desription, it most assuredly was, despite any previous "consent." Plus, can a 14 year old "consent" to anything at all?
Now the defendants' attorney are not only claiming them innocent, but also charging malicious prosecution because of race and "undocumented" status.
And CBS are taking a tone as if they are about to go for that last part as being the crux of the matter.
Anybody else getting excited about the fact that 3 of the biggest hacks/leaks of the last 10 years are leaks that expose lefty malfeasance? Even Snowden and Manning exposed big government (lefty) secrets. Is it possible that people are finally recognizing lefties for the enemies of the people that they are? ClimateGate, Hillary/DNC and now Macron. This is pretty damn good.
One of the nicer things about the last year's political discourse is the frequent use of "beclown" -- a word I hadn't heard of before, but which certainly does the job.
@Hagar, I'll have to take your word for it; I don't watch CBS and won't until Colbert is fired.
But we do seem to be starting down a steep and slippery slope where we cut slack for immigrants on the grounds that the culture they left behind permitted their crimes. We need to knock that crap off and quickly.
Having been paying attention to the news today I must admit to not knowing the answer to a basic question:
Is the media made up of morons or lying sacks of shit? Because the coverage of the recent news that I've seen can only be the result of one or the other.
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Love the tulips, they are long gone down here
Tulip Festival starts tomorrow across Lake Michigan from our host.
Trayvon Martin's honorary degree is only slightly more ridiculous than Obama's Nobel.
But it works well with Obama's "If I had a son" bit.
It looks like Delta is the latest airline with a public relations problem.
What is fascinating is these news stories never seem to mention the role of federal government regulation in the the event of overbooking.
DOT regulations allow the airline to involuntarily bump a passenger. On top of that the regs price fix the amount of compensation the passenger receives.
Here is the relevant section.
§250.5 Amount of denied boarding compensation for passengers denied boarding involuntarily.
(a) Subject to the exceptions provided in §250.6, a carrier to whom this part applies as described in §250.2 shall pay compensation in interstate air transportation to passengers who are denied boarding involuntarily from an oversold flight as follows:
(1) No compensation is required if the carrier offers alternate transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the passenger's first stopover, or if none, the airport of the passenger's final destination not later than one hour after the planned arrival time of the passenger's original flight;
(2) Compensation shall be 200% of the fare to the passenger's destination or first stopover, with a maximum of $675, if the carrier offers alternate transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the passenger's first stopover, or if none, the airport of the passenger's final destination more than one hour but less than two hours after the planned arrival time of the passenger's original flight; and
(3) Compensation shall be 400% of the fare to the passenger's destination or first stopover, with a maximum of $1,350, if the carrier does not offer alternate transportation that, at the time the arrangement is made, is planned to arrive at the airport of the passenger's first stopover, or if none, the airport of the passenger's final destination less than two hours after the planned arrival time of the passenger's original flight.
Does anyone know what became of the hitchhiking woodpecker?
What a relief:
Talking to yourself out loud is not a sign of madness but could indicate a high level of intelligence, a study revealed.
I always figured I was talking to the smartest person in the room.
Amount of denied boarding compensation for passengers denied boarding involuntarily.
Both cases I saw involved passengers that had already boarded.
The rule about denying boarding is fine. Dragging someone off a plane is a terrible visual.
Navy SEAL Killed in Somalia in First U.S. Combat Death There Since 1993
More godawful news from our idiotic "global war on terrorism." Why the fuck are American military personnel dying and getting wounded in Somalia? Are we at war with Somalia? Oh, oh...I see...he died going after Al-Shabaab. Psst...Al-Shabaab is an organization whose activities are confined to East Africa. If you're worried about the threat Al-Shabaab poses, let me offer a very simple solution...do not travel to East Africa.
It is beyond absurd (and depressing) that a continental superpower thinks it needs to waste treasure and precious American lives on a threat that means nothing to Americans. Show of hands, how many people here think their personal security is dependent on nation-building in Somalia? Tiny little suggestion....let's get American problems solved before trying to solve Somalia problems. I know that makes me a hopeless "nativist" and "isolationist," but can we at least argue the merits before resorting to the school yard bullshit?
The fact is that I for one don't know what's going on in Somalia that's worth our attention. Now that this news is coming about, I guess it will get our attention. Probably the aggressive reporting of anything that can be used to hurt Donald Trump or any Republican president will help to avoid any problems with us getting involved on the QT.
On whatever merits, I don't know whether it's worth treasure or blood. You seem to be pretty confident about that, which doesn't surprise me. Perhaps if it's a minor matter achieves some benefits a time hopefully minor cost, it is worth doing. Perhaps there is Winery chip litical ramifications to it. Again, I need to know more.
I would be more impressed with you and Pat Buchanan if you could tell me what could be expected to happen in these various areas in the absence of American involvement. Beyond, that is, "I don't care."
You're the one who doesn't like Mahan, right? Who do you favor in more modern sources again? Mackubin, or whoever wrote about the World-Island?
It made me blink to hear Stephen Hayes on Bret Baier's show tonight say that he was sure that the CIA indeed has plans on hand for assassinating Kim Young-un. I do not think the U.S. Gov't should be involved with assassinations at all and keep firmly to that position despite all we know about past such involvements.
Anyway, the North Koreans are supposed have several look-alikes to represent Kim Young-un for the cameras at official functions, so really, do we even know for sure that there is an original Kim Young-un anymore?
@Bad Lieutenant:
I would be more impressed with you and Pat Buchanan if you could tell me what could be expected to happen in these various areas in the absence of American involvement. Beyond, that is, "I don't care."
Simple thought experiment. What vital American interest is dependent on the existence of a militant organization in East Africa? Central Africa has seen internecine civil war, at a cost of millions of human lives, for decades. Did you experience any loss in your liberties as an American as a result? Did you feel it was America's duty to solve such a conflict? Should America try to solve the China-Taiwan dispute? Should we settle the issue of Tibetan nationalism? Do we need to be involved in Basque separatism to safeguard American liberty?
You're the one who doesn't like Mahan, right?
I have never commented on Mahan, because I am not familiar enough with the body of his work to have an informed opinion. I can tell you, though, that in terms of US defense, I am most sympathetic to a large and powerful navy. I would reduce the navy by a third while every other branch I would reduce by at least half. The US faces no significant military threats on the world stage, and the threat posed by radical jihadism has been consistently overblown and overhyped for a decade and a half.
@Hagar:
It made me blink to hear Stephen Hayes on Bret Baier's show tonight say that he was sure that the CIA indeed has plans on hand for assassinating Kim Young-un.
South Korea's Intelligence Services for sure has contingency plans on a targeted assassination plot against Kim Jung-un, and they make no efforts to conceal such plans. Obviously, publicizing such plans is essentially a show of strength by the South and is mostly intended to deter North Korean aggression rather than an actionable plan.
What is most absurd about such talk is the US once again falling into the ridiculous trap of thinking that North Korea is the problem of a singular monster, and once you cut the monster's head off, victory is yours. An assassination of Kim Jung-un would not be the end of North Korea but only the beginning. We have no idea what kind of power struggle would ensue to fill the vacuum, and as Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya have proven, cutting off the head of the hydra most often ends in multiple new heads springing force in its place. An internal collapse of North Korea would be a disaster scenario for the Chinese and for the South Koreans, and it is cavalier in the extreme for the US to float such possibilities as destabilizing a peninsula with tens of millions of people on it (not to include tens of thousands of US military personnel).
That white tulip reminds me of Matilija poppies, which are abloom all over L.A.
I am not sure I want to start a thread on this, but seeing the prosecutors drop the rape cases against the two illegal aliens at Rockville High on the grounds that the sex was "consensual" is a little much if the description of the goings on in the original charge is anywhere near factual.
Things being what they are today, I do not doubt the girl invited the party (but you must not blame the victim!), but it looks like she got a lot more than she had bargained for and therefore immediately went to the school authorities and reported it as rape. Which according to the desription, it most assuredly was, despite any previous "consent."
Plus, can a 14 year old "consent" to anything at all?
Now the defendants' attorney are not only claiming them innocent, but also charging malicious prosecution because of race and "undocumented" status.
And CBS are taking a tone as if they are about to go for that last part as being the crux of the matter.
Anybody else getting excited about the fact that 3 of the biggest hacks/leaks of the last 10 years are leaks that expose lefty malfeasance? Even Snowden and Manning exposed big government (lefty) secrets. Is it possible that people are finally recognizing lefties for the enemies of the people that they are? ClimateGate, Hillary/DNC and now Macron. This is pretty damn good.
Yes, Althouse, today's shopping went out of your portal.
A thought came to me earlier tonight: thanks to Hillary Clinton we got Barack Obama and Donald Trump as presidents.
One of the nicer things about the last year's political discourse is the frequent use of "beclown" -- a word I hadn't heard of before, but which certainly does the job.
@Hagar, I'll have to take your word for it; I don't watch CBS and won't until Colbert is fired.
But we do seem to be starting down a steep and slippery slope where we cut slack for immigrants on the grounds that the culture they left behind permitted their crimes. We need to knock that crap off and quickly.
Having been paying attention to the news today I must admit to not knowing the answer to a basic question:
Is the media made up of morons or lying sacks of shit? Because the coverage of the recent news that I've seen can only be the result of one or the other.
Saturday is Free Comic Book Day.
A lot of titles for a crash course.
A new website, MailMeToTheGOP.com, will send your cremated remains to Republicans in Congress if the American Healthcare Act (AHCA) — also known as “Trumpcare” — kills you by discontinuing your coverage or denying you access to medications, surgery or other treatments.
And our thanks to David Bowie . . .
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
We know Major Tom's a junkie
Strung out in heaven's high
Hitting an all-time low
@J. Farmer said...
p.s. Sorry for all of the individual posts; it was the only way I could get it to work.
Sorry to disappoint you, but all that work was for nothing because Amazon sort addresses don't compute.
Try searching the books on google, select the Amazon hits and post the url addresses that appear at the top of each page. Not pretty, but we can get there.
If these animals cannot be charged with rape because "she asked for it," why not at least charge them with child abuse?
Butler University is now offering a full-on anti-Trump course
Hagar said...
If these animals cannot be charged with rape because "she asked for it," why not at least charge them with child abuse?
5/6/17, 10:07 AM
Why doesn't someone just kill them? That, they would understand.
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