Video at the link.
IN THE COMMENTS: Freeman Hunt asked, "How could anyone not like her?," and I answered:
There's something robotic and trancelike about her demeanor. It's interesting to me that people don't dislike her for that glossy, plastic, stage-y quality, which actually reminds me of Hillary Clinton. I don't myself dislike her, but I'm fascinated that people don't call her out for the Stepford Wives aura that so many political women have been mocked for.And AReasonableMan says, "Drudge's front page currently featuring Ivanka is pretty funny." Here's the part he means, with Ivanka in the middle — looking like a sensibly beautiful woman — flanked by Madonna displaying elongated Jayne-Mansfield-style breasts and some absurdly plastic-surgeried human Barbie doll. Click to enlarge:
But Jackie Kennedy was a similar case. People loved it in her. I guess if you read as beautiful and you don't misbehave, people will accept a woman who seems anesthetized.
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Sometimes I envy the SJWs.
It would be so easy to attribute this to German anti-Semitism.
Ivanka is a poised person. The post title implies it's an act.
She's on stage with the A Team and shows that is just where she belongs. Daddy is proud. I'm not her daddy but I'm proud of her too.
"It would be so easy to attribute this to German anti-Semitism."
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Kinda forgot she converted when she married. Just increases her poise grade. Extra credit
Just shows what Feminism has come to: women resenting another woman just because she is a fine piece of ass.
I am Laslo.
Kristallnacht is fun for all.
An inner need to riot over that miserable Jew Lover Roosevelt, I mean Trump, is too strong to control in Dr Strangelove's Homeland.
The SNL ad for her new perfume Complicit is perfect.
German manners are proverbial.
I think the term for them is Schrecklichkeit.
Nice.
"Queen Maxima"? With cool names like that, absolute monarchy could make a comeback.
The camera really loves her. The Dems have not yet been able to find a successful angle of attack on her, but they're creative and persistent. Someday we will come to realize how the inner beauty and radiant intellect of Chelsea far surpasses the superficial good looks of Ivanka.
robother said...
"Queen Maxima"? With cool names like that, absolute monarchy could make a comeback.
You mean like Queen Melania or Princess Ivanka?
Nice names, but I'd rather skip the monarchy.
How could anyone not like her?
Women used to express their Daddy Issues at a man symbolic of their father.
Now they express their Daddy Issues at the Man's Daughter.
We get it, women: Daddy Didn't Love You The Right Way. He was too domineering or he wasn't there at all. Or he thought you should study a subject in University more job-oriented than Women's Studies. Or he didn't understand your Lesbian Phase. Or he wasn't supportive when you shaved your head.
Or, perhaps you suspect that if he found out about your abortion he would be saddened by your action.
Fight the Good Fight, and Keep Those Feelings of Inadequacy at Bay.
I am Laslo.
The SNL ad for her new perfume Complicit is perfect.
That add is funnier with Chelsea. (You have to accept the idea someone would make an ad with Chelsea in it but once you do..)
Those verdammte Deutsche! How dare they hiss and boo at Ivanka, She is the most likable of the entire Family Trump.
Rudeness is now acceptable.
They should save their boos for Uday and Qusay.
Drudge's front page currently featuring Ivanka is pretty funny.
"How could anyone not like her?"
There's something robotic and trancelike about her demeanor. It's interesting to me that people don't dislike her for that glossy, plastic, stage-y quality, which actually remind me of Hillary Clinton. I don't myself dislike her, but I'm fascinated that people don't call her out for the Stepford Wives aura that so many political women have been mocked for.
But Jackie Kennedy was a similar case. People loved it in her. I guess if you read as beautiful and you don't misbehave, people will accept a woman who seems anesthetized.
Inga said...
They should save their boos for Uday and Qusay.
4/25/17, 10:05 AM
Uday and Qusay are dead, thanks to the US military. A good thing too, since they delighted in raping women and then killing them and feeding the remains to dogs, making Iraqi Olympic soccer players who lost kick concrete balls, and many other sadistic acts.
You certainly wouldn't be stupid and frivolous enough to compare those two genuine monsters to men who never committed such acts on the basis of petty political partisanship would you?
Yes, she would.
My 9:55 comment does not let men off the hook.
What passes for Men are now a lot of Daddy-Issue-Enabling Whipped Boys.
They listen to the woman's Daddy Issues and nod and murmur sympathetically.
How terrible THOSE kind of men are!
I would NEVER let a Man like that hurt you, baby!
I didn't mean it that way -- I know you can take care of yourself without needing a Man to protect you!
I fully support the Integrity of you Owning Your Being!
I'm sorry if I was Mansplaining -- I didn't mean it, Honest.
This was Totally My Fault: I forgot that me watching basketball on television reminds you of your Father watching basketball when you were a little girl and not listening to you. I'm here, baby: I'm listening.
I was NOT checking out that waitress girl's ass, I swear!
It's Daddy Issues, all the way down.
I am Laslo.
I didn't hear any boos and hisses.
I think Ivanka is very smart and thinking all the time.
Unfortunately, I also suspect that what she is thinking about is all the wonderful things she can do for me, or get done, with my money.
"There's something robotic and trancelike about her demeanor."
Or she is at Peace With Herself.
Her face does not belie Inner Turmoil or Resentment.
Looks alien, these days.
I am Laslo.
"Or she is at Peace With Herself.
Her face does not belie Inner Turmoil or Resentment."
Some women get Botox to attempt this look.
I am Laslo.
Drudge's front page seems to be saying that Ivanka's message is to look at their eyes... they are up there dummy.
Hillary is robotic, sure, but in a psycho-bitch-with-no-feelings-or-empathy-or-shame kind of way.
I bet if Ivanka was sitting next to a Sex Robot Ivanka you would be able to tell the difference.
I am Laslo.
I voted for Trump but a not crazy about the role Ivanka and her hubbby are playing in the Trump admin. I am sure each is very smart but hubby has no substantive experience to be put in charge of reforming govt.
"Yes, she would."
Oh my, no sense of humor. I guess it's OK to demonize Chelsea though. At least Chelsea doesn't kill endangered animals in Africa.
Her poise is enchanting to me. I don't find her robotic or stepfordish because she has a very self-confident and composed air and speaks directly with meaning. I found Hillary to be constantly obscuring herself and the real meaning of her words with her speechifying manner. The forced attempts at "humor" (i.e. "Like with a cloth?") were cloddish and more awkward than funny. Comparing daughter-to-daughter I see Chelsea's inherited all her mother's grace and wit, while Ivanka has a completely different style than her father, one more suited to an executive or politician than the "reality star" stream of consciousness style her dad is famous for.
"There's something robotic and trancelike about her demeanor."
I would use the adjective unflappable or phlegmatic.
"I bet if Ivanka was sitting next to a Sex Robot Ivanka you would be able to tell the difference."
Sure, but which one would you prefer?
At least no one will ever compare Chelsea to a sex robot.
I struggled to watch her talk when she did a panel interview a few weeks ago. Every other utterance was "uhhhh". It surprised me that she did not stop herself from doing it. That said, I would happily drop kick the drama queen that verbally accosted her on the airplane at JFK.
Years ago the wife and I watched The Apprentice. Several seasons in they added Ivanka to the boardroom. We both agreed he had raised quite the woman. Here she is on TV, presumably not being fed lines, and making intelligent comments and criticisms of the players and their actions during the most recent round.
It was a very stark contrast to the Paris Hiltons of the world.
Inga said...
At least no one will ever compare Chelsea to a sex robot.
4/25/17, 10:44 AM
That is true. Nobody looks at Chelsea and thinks about sex.
OK, maybe her husband. The Royal Family must have heiresses.
As National Inquirer has not yet inquired, are we sure Ivanka is Donald's daughter?
There was a time not to long ago when this topic would have garnered the "civility bullshit" tag.
I agree with Althouse. think Ivanka gets a pass while other women don't (many criticize Melania for her robotic like behavior). I think it's because her father is so vulgar and the divorce from her parents was so public and would possibly be traumatizing for many kids. Couple that backstory with the fact she converted to be an Orthodox Jew to marry her husband and it adds up to sincerity.
Freeman Hunt: I would use the adjective unflappable or phlegmatic.
From my limited viewing I see a person reserved by temperament yet at ease in public. (Also, beautiful swan-y neck. And really nice teeth.)
Freeman Hunt said...
I would use the adjective unflappable or phlegmatic.
I always thought a "phlegmatic" was an As Seen On TV device to remove snot.
And "antisemitism" was "one weird trick" to prevent semen stains.
I learn many today!
I like her but I don't like her liberal friends, they're a bad influence and not good for our country.
I like this morning's Flinty Laslo.
"Years ago the wife and I watched The Apprentice. Several seasons in they added Ivanka to the boardroom. We both agreed he had raised quite the woman. Here she is on TV, presumably not being fed lines, and making intelligent comments and criticisms of the players and their actions during the most recent round."
This would be a good time for those critiquing her demeanor (cough, cough) to revisit those episodes. She was the highlight of the boardroom, and not because of looks.
Ivanka seems poised and very 'contained'. She speaks quite softly, slowly and in a measured way. I don't find it robotic but rather very much someone who is exerting strong self control and thinking carefully about each utterance. Rightly so, since her every move, word or facial expression is under such scrutiny.
Trump also, when he isn't stumping for President or addressing a large crowd, also has a rather soft voice.
The pose in the linked video, finger under her chin strikes me as a subliminal...keep your chin up pose. Stay strong. Stay poised.
There's something robotic and trancelike about her demeanor.
That's the hunted look of someone being stalked through airports and berated on planes in front of her children by pompous, shrill queers.
In my eyes (and in a lot of other people's too I am sure) she is one of the most beautiful women in the world. Not sure about her influence on her Dad (did she really trigger the bombing in Syria? -- but she sure kicked off his campaign in style. In some ways she is everything her father is not -- as in not vulgar.
She learned her robotic poise from her days as a model I am sure.
The Trump kids turned out OK because of his wife IVANA. If you read anything about him, you would know he did not raise his kids outside of paying for tuition. The only thing The Donald did was choose wives who are good mothers. I find it strange no one mentions Ivana or Marla.
Queen Maxima of the Netherlands is an accomplished woman who had a finance career before her marriage and has done a lot for disadvantaged women in places where women have little access to finance and autonomy.
Not a coincidence Ivanka gets to sit in on a meeting with Chinese Premier and she is suddenly granted a patent in China. Zero benefit to US people.
Her demeanor is poised and self controlled in the extreme, so it could certainly be seen as robotic. But it seems to conceal something much different than what Hillary Clinton works to hide....so I would not compare the two or call Ivanka robotic.
One thing that strikes me is that-other than the age differential- Ivanka comes across more as I would imagine a daughter of DJT and Melanie than of DJT and Ivana. But maybe that's the fashion model type of demeanor, concealing emotion with a graceful but contrived pose.
As for how people could dislike her....part politics and part jealousy, I'd presume.
Probably because the fraulines in the audience are ugly bull dyke looking types and can't handle such a beautiful goddess in front of them.
"At least Chelsea doesn't kill endangered animals in Africa."
At least until she looks at one. Medusa was more attractive but tastes vary.
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The Trump kids turned out OK because of his wife IVANA. "
I know people who know Ivana. They think she is an imperious bitch. Maybe you know her better.
While we are on the topic of female beauty. If these don't kill her career nothing will.
She was on panel — alongside Angela Merkel, Queen Màxima of the Netherlands, and International Monetary Fund director Christine Lagardeon — at the W-20 where the topic was women's empowerment and entrepreneurship at the W-20.
Was she the only even vaguely entrepreneurial woman on the panel?
Seems like it.
(Merkel and Lagardeon are politicos [the IMF is 100% the creature of political process of the member countries, after all]. So they'd know empowerment, give 'em that.
Maxima is hereditary royalty. Nice, empowering work, if you can get it, I guess.
I suppose the interesting thing here is lack of entrepreneurial women that don't happen to be married to a politico.
But that's the W-20, I guess. Because "G-20 stuff for people with vaginas specifically" is obviously going to be productive, right?)
The first time I ever saw Ivanka Trump was in the following documentary filmed about 18 years ago:
Born Rich
Of all the subjects interviewed in this documentary, she is quite obviously the most intelligent and thoughtful.
Evidence continues to accumulate that the so-called Women's Movement, like the Democrat Party and the leftmedia, is infested with ill-mannered adolescents.
One way in which Hillary's campaign was successful was in thoroughly demonizing Donald Trump. Even then, they had to use his own words to do so.
Inga
So you naturally believe Africans are so stupid as to allow white people to fly on over and kill endangered species? Because the Africans, being black, don't know which animal might be endangered and which might not be? And that they may not know that some of the "endangered" animals are at the end of their lives or must be culled for other reasons, nuances that white people might understand but black Africans definitely not? You apply. You enter a lottery or you buy a limited permit. It is legal. It is not accelerating the demise of a species. Except for deeply ignorant progressives.
The Chinese people believe Ivanka is on loan from Paradise.
I tend to agree.
Daddy Issues America...
"I've been having this thought lately..."
"Tell me, baby. I want to hear."
"I like that you value my thoughts. I don't think I could be with a man who doesn't support my thoughts."
"I always support your thoughts. You thoughts make you 'you', you know?"
"I've just been thinking. I'm tired of working at the coffeeshop."
"I understand. You're too good for that place."
"So what I've been thinking is, we dress in black tonight, go to my Dad's house, sneak in and kill him, then take off on the road. Live life day by day. Dusty roads, diners, gas stations in the middle of nowhere. REAL life."
"Uh...."
"We'd bury him in the backyard and then we'd be free. Free! It'll be just like a movie! Lovers on the run!"
"Maybe we could just head off on the road by itself. You know, without the 'killing' thing."
"That won't work. I've given it a lot of thought, and I can never be free until my Daddy's dead. I'll kill him, and you'll cut off his head."
"Cut off his head?"
"Yeah. That way he won't be able to look at me anymore."
"But he'll be dead, anyway."
"Yeah, but it will be more so with his head cut off. I can tell when he is looking at me, even when he isn't there."
"I don't know. Have you talked to your psychiatrist about this?"
"Yeah. She says my Father is the Root of All My Problems. I really like her."
"So she is okay with you killing him?"
"Well, I didn't exactly tell her that part, but I think it was understood."
"I don't know: maybe you should talk to her one more time."
"But these dreams of killing my Father torment me. They won't leave me alone until I do it."
"Maybe you could talk to your psychiatrist about THAT."
"Do you think that would help?"
"I'm sure it will. If she says Killing Your Father is okay then we'll talk about it."
"Okay: if it is that important to you. I just need to let my Dad know about the appointment..."
"Why is that?"
"Because he pays for all my visits..."
I am Laslo.
C'mon, Ann. You know she is not criticized by either side, because on one side she is Trump's daughter and on the other a Democrat & a liberal. Sorta like illegal immigration. Voters for Dems, cheap labor for Repubs. What's not to like?
Ivanka's looks are mostly the product of $$$$ and training. The best dermatologists, dentists, fitness trainers...... She was raised from birth to be in the spotlight. Her and Chelsea learned how to maintain neutral expressions in their early teens thanks to their fathers bad behavior. Imagine having to attend school with your classmates all buzzing about how Marla is following Dad with her wedding dress in hand or Monica and her stained blue dress.
The real issue here is that Trump did give women powerful positions in construction back in the 1980's - an industry that still has less women. Trump has a history of promoting women, Kellyanne shows he continues to do so. All his wives and daughters have/had their own businesses. No stay at home Mom's in the Trump family. So why does the audience react shocked - when confronted with well know and obvious fact that Trump believes in equality.
When it comes to Trump, the European Press make the WaPo look sane. The Guardian is non-stop anti-Trump propaganda. John Oliver is a permanent fixture on the Guardian's TV/Media page. Europeans think Trump is lynching Blacks and gays in his backyard. They picture gangs of Trump thugs--the stuff they often actually have in Europe.
I'm in love.
The Guardian is non-stop anti-Trump propaganda.
Expect the Guardian to get even worse when Labour gets wiped out in the snap election.
Her and Chelsea learned how to maintain neutral expressions in their early teens thanks to their fathers bad behavior.
I don;t think that applies to Trump except his divorces. I don't think there was ever anything like Cilnton's behavior.
Remember, "Primary Colors" was written by a supporter !
Of all the subjects interviewed in this documentary, she is quite obviously the most intelligent and thoughtful.
Very interesting, thanks for the link.
Even as a teenager, you can see that's she's poised and very cautious. She holds herself very still and doesn't emote very much, even when she's talking about paparazzi swarming over her school the day her parents got divorced.
She's also an active speaker, in the same sense that someone can be an active listener. There are many pauses in her speech when she reestablishes eye contact and gives a little nod of emphasis. So it comes off as
"The United States is the only advanced country that doesn't have a leave policy, so I'm very proud of my father... "
So to answer Althouse's question, I'd wager that she comes off in person as a very empathetic person who pays a lot of attention to the person she's speaking with. Add in the good looks (which I agree look somewhat plastic) and I'm not surprised that she doesn't draw much hate.
The formatting altered the last comment. It was supposed to indicate that she nods and reestablishes eye contact at the bolded words.
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