So flows the hysteria over at Slate. That's by Jim Newell, who might need to settle down.
It was so recently that we were told that the GOP was permanently over, that America was now structured so that the Democrats were going to win everything from here on out.
I do like this paragraph of Newell's:
We should blame all those people around the Clintons more than the Clintons themselves, and the Clintons themselves deserve a ridiculous amount of blame. Hillary Clinton was just an ambitious person who wanted to be president. There are a lot of people like that. But she was enabled. The Democratic establishment is a club unwelcoming to outsiders, because outsiders don’t first look out for the club. The Clintons will be gone now. For the sake of the country, let them take the hangers-on with them.
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I thought it was actually not a terror and panic piece but a reflection of what it is. The Democrats had their best shot at winning the Senate in a while and failed. The House is not an option for a while it seems. They can't win many governorships. Keep losing state legislatures.
The party has problems and I'm not sure they'll ever address them.
I'm not happy about the result. I didn't vote for either of them. But all these terrible people who are so hurt by this? Schadenfreude is the silver-lining.
Clintonian Democrats are finished. They were on their last legs when Obama won, only kept around due to their reach, power and friends.
Now that those things are... trumped by other concerns, the Warren/Sanders wing is going to come forward, much like Tea Partiers came forward after Romney/McCain had their go.
We are way past blame.
It is time for them to go to jail. My guess is some republicans can join them.
"The Democrats will now control next to nothing above the municipal level."
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Aside from their entrenched positions in the bureaucracy and the education establishment and entertainment and ...
Here's my thinking.
As long as, culturally, we shame people as powerfully as we do for social politics transgressions, voters don't think they need to vote out Republicans because society keeps them in check.
If the Democrats would just NOT use the cudgel of the populace to beat their enemies and insist on doing things through the legislature, people would vote for them. But, why vote for Democrats when you can sue people to get their social policies passed, while getting the benefit of the Republican policies you want to see enacted by keeping them in power, and then ginning up outrage at them whenever you want to check the Republicans.
I can certainly agree with this:
The Clintons will be gone now. For the sake of the country, let them take the hangers-on with them.
Clean up the corruption that is the Democratic Party. Make a new party if you have to.
Obama let the Clintons run the DNC after the 2014 elections. Hillary was always going to be the next Dem up. Obama deserves some blame for this. Once her email scandal came to light in early 2015, Obama should have gone to the Clintons and said you're out and Joe is in.
Clintonian Democrats are finished. They were on their last legs when Obama won, only kept around due to their reach, power and friends.
This is premature. They are still infesting the bureaucracy. Unless an example is made and the house is cleaned any charismatic grifter like Obama could rise up and take the reigns again. This is our last chance to purge the bureaucracy. We need to clean out the voter rolls and secure our borders. Millions of New Democrats just came across the border this year and overwhelmed ICE.
We must treat them like they treated us. Enemies. Because if we go soft now they will not. They never do.
And the RNC should have gone to Jeb and said not a chance.
But wait.....I was just assured by James Carville that we will have nothing but democrats for the next 40 years!!
The way they managed Hillary's nomination makes this clear that this another failure of central planning. Empirically socialist policies never achieve their stated goals and they've done it again.
The Clinton Foundation was the base of her power. They used it to warehouse political operatives and cronies. Now that she is out of power, she has nothing to sell, and no way to protect it against FBI investigation.
I think that many, many Democrats will cheer on the scuttling of that rotten ship.
i think we should all remember that they were saying the same thing just 6 months ago about the repub.party... things change fast in politics... trump hasn't even sat in the chair in the oval office... the mid term elections start today...
"The Democrats will now control next to nothing above the municipal level."
As satisfying as that would be it is not even close to true. Just about every meaningful agency or function is controlled by Democrats.
I want names for the 1/3 of federal employees who claimed they would "consider" quitting if Trump won the election.
Congress has to pass some laws enabling housecleaning of the IRS, Justice, the FEC, etc. Better a spoils system than an entrenched deep state not accountable to the people.
"Unless an example is made and the house is cleaned any charismatic grifter like Obama could rise up and take the reigns again."
-- And whoever that is, grifter or not, is not going to be a Clintonite. Think about. How many proteges did she have left? Weiner -- gone. Abedin? Compromised by the email scam. Rahm? Defected to Obama.
Brazille? Kaine? Wasserman-Schultz?
Who is left in Clintonland?
California is much bigger than a municipality. The state election shows how thoroughly entrenched Democrat rule is here.
But, of course, in the age of hyperbole.
This may seem like the end of the world to Democrats, but this is the foundation on which to rebuild party responsive to its base. New leaders will appear. I think this was the first thing that had to happen to prepare them to take real power again, to earn America's trust.
The Clintons and their buddies are all rich. Things worked great for them.
Obama may give the Clintons an unconditional pardon on his way out the door.
Or President Trump may give them a pardon conditional on closing down all their "non-profits" and turning the assets over to the U.S. Treasury.
It all started with Democrats who said Bill Clinton's obstruction of justice and perjury in a sexual discrimination case was "just about sex, MoveOn.org"
The big, big issue is does Obama or Trump pardon Hillary and her cronies? I say Obama pardons Hillary only on Christmas Eve. Huma and Cheryl Mills get the full Scooter Libby treatment. David Kendall too.
Given Chelsea's personality, the only way a Clinton get back into the Whitehouse is if Bill acknowledges his illegitimate son. 2nd half black president?
Another feature of the election: Kelly Ayotte (R, NH) who near the end decided to run away from Trump lost a close Senate race. Ron Johnson who stuck with Trump, if cooly, won handily riding on the massive turnout for Trump.
Blogger Simon said...
I'm not happy about the result. I didn't vote for either of them.
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Ah..
Anyone have eyes on "Gadfly"? Proudly applying his new "Don't blame me" bumper sticker with incredibly clean hands?
"riding on the massive turnout for Trump."
Some folks are spreading the idea that DJT actually received fewer votes than Mitt did.
Even if true at the moment, as more straggler votes roll in DJT could surpass Mitt, but, unless there's a ton of uncounted votes, I'm not sure the "massive turnout" will ever fit.
Anywho,
Carry on.
Or President Trump may give them a pardon conditional on closing down all their "non-profits" and turning the assets over to the U.S. Treasury.
Better to offer H a deal to rat on everybody else. Who cares about a couple of billion? She'll spend that staying alive. The files, man, the files, the real ones, HER life insurance.
The Clintons will be gone but still speaking and nagging. Obama will be in Washington, whining and trying to be President in Exile.
Who is left in Clintonland?
It doesn't have to be a Clinton. Anyone who has the talent to get elected can go to these bureaucrats and use them like Obama did. They are not unbiased observers. They will lay low until the next grifter gets elected with their help and they will be right back at us.
It must be burned to the ground.
I do not care for James B. Comey. I remember him from the Martha Stewart case and I have read he had something to do with the persecution of Scooter Libby. I think he is a "political" and never has been anything else.
But in this case I think he just tried to do his best to limit the damage. The White House made the arrangements, and they have themselves to thank for the results.
I never thought Chelsea WANTED to be involved in politics. I think she's somewhat relieved at this result, honestly.
Whew! No more big mouth maw photos of Hillary pretending to laugh at some bon mot uttered by No-one-any-one-of-us-would-ever-want-to-be-in-our-living-rooms (ya know, like Yasser Arafat),
http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/arafat.jpg
As much as anything else, the DNC lost because WE THE PEOPLE are not fond of the idea of a government that sees itself as empowered to walk right into our homes and control our lives - maybe at gunpoint.
We saw that again and again with the Obama administration how people like Lois Lerner used their offices as cudgels of the Inquisition against their political opponants, officials calling in SWAT armies against landowners for refusing to abandon the lands they'd been using for generations for the benefit of foreigners (and their paid-off politicians like Harry Reid), and strangled native businesses with a bureaucratic morass while lavishing taxpayer dollars on foreign companies ... leaving millions of Americans without the hope of work.
This election promised to double down on all of this by being lead by a person whose entire and illegally foreign-enriched "Her Majesty" personna screams some sick meld of Lucretia Borgia and Delores Umbrage ... intent on filling her pockets with cash all the while mothering to "deserved death" the vast "Basket of Deplorables" ... who still refuse to be enlightened into submission to the joys of Social Justice - the angry feminist edition.
WE THE PEOPLE were NOT amused. Hence the victory by the Orange Baboon - who most folks don't envision having SWAT teams kick down their doors for using the wrong light bulbs or talking smack about corrupt rich elite hypocrites.
The other thing is about the divided country. That's bullshit. Trump got a shit-ton of Bernie Sanders votes and Hitlary got a shit-ton of GOPe votes. The only thing that is divided is the election result. Hell, Obozo has huge popularity numbers and at least a third of that approval comes from Trump voters.
The media mantra that the country is divided is the only thing left the global banking media complex have left to try and control the USA.
Remember that time when I warned "don't do it, don't trigger the nuclear option, unless you're absolutely sure that we've seen the last Republican-controlled Senate and the last Republican President"? Hmm?
Sanders and Warren are now in charge of the democrats... and a lot of their people voted for Trump.
Blogger David Begley said...
The Clintons and their buddies are all rich. Things worked great for them.
This is the problem. If they all are not put in jail there is no reason why the next bunch won't do it too.
We have a rule of law or we don't.
Your revenge fantasy porn will fade with time. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned or a teabagger vindicated. Why are you looking backward? Progress and profit is today and tomorrow, not yesterday's garbage. Don't you listen to Trump's acceptance speech.
Blogger Matthew Sablan said...
I never thought Chelsea WANTED to be involved in politics. I think she's somewhat relieved at this result, honestly.
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Nowhere near as relieved as Bill.
This is likely his "free at last" moment.
Wikileaks says Chelsea is sick of the whole thing, if you ask me.
What I hope comes to an end is the Democrats's strategy of "Let's piss on their backs and tell them it's rain!"
"I never thought Chelsea WANTED to be involved in politics"
I don't think Bill wanted to be back involved in politics. Too much of a spotlight on his freewheelin' lifestyle.
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Bill and Donald are going to have a celebration dinner together before too long, methinks.
Based on all the coverage I am following the Democrats are not losing graciously.
I guess this means we won't have Joe Biden to kick around as SoS. I was almost looking forward to that.
Paul Krugman has come unhinged. According to him, I, a Trump voter, am really an uneducated racist rural white male with a deep rage.
- PhD, brown, immigrant, urban, no rage, deep or shallow.
Howard said...
Your revenge fantasy porn will fade with time. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned or a teabagger vindicated. Why are you looking backward? Progress and profit is today and tomorrow, not yesterday's garbage. Don't you listen to Trump's acceptance speech.
11/9/16, 12:22 PM
"Why are you looking backward?" Goering should have tried that one.
Cacimbo Cacimbo said...
Based on all the coverage I am following the Democrats are not losing graciously.
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Well..there's big media money in the political process.
I know I will miss it.
Sadly, the Democrat party is not finished. Nothing will change with them. I'm frankly more interested to see if the Republicans can take Trump's victory to heart. Holding both houses, I fear that congressional Republicans will appoint themselves the loyal opposition. Trump won because the people agreed with his policy proposals enough to overcome their disapproval of his peccadilloes. The party better get on board or suffer the consequences,
“Our @pollsterpolls model gives @HillaryClinton a 98.1% chance of winning the presidency.”
- HuffPo, November 7
“We can’t comprehend even 1 percent of what’s just happened.”
- Slate, November 9
Let’s ask 97% of climate scientists what their take is.
Unlike W's time of R congressional domination, this time we're to anticipate that it'll work better because DJT is [fill in whatever his greatness is, as you see it], and the Rs in congress have a bigger, more ideological majority.
Got it.
Seattle's alt newspaper, The Stranger, is an amusing collection of pearl-clutching headlines:
www.thestranger.com
It's just not true. The Republicans, with a mere 41 Senate votes, were able to throw a few wrenches into the Obama08 supermajority's agenda.
The Dems will have the filibuster, and as always, the mainstream media on their side.
Nothing is easy in Washington, and everything has a price.
Blogger Howard said...
Your revenge fantasy porn will fade with time. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned or a teabagger vindicated. Why are you looking backward? Progress and profit is today and tomorrow, not yesterday's garbage. Don't you listen to Trump's acceptance speech.
I am looking forward. To the next time a democrat is president. It will happen.
When the next democrat is elected they need to look back at Clinton and Obama and the weaponized partisan bureaucracy and see them in jail. They need to see that you don't use your power to enrich yourself and attack your political enemies.
They need to understand they serve the American people rather than rule them.
"I never thought Chelsea WANTED to be involved in politics"
I bet every time she looks in a mirror, she wishes she wasn't the issue of Webb Hubbell.
One thing that will make me happy, is to never see or hear from Elizabeth Warren ever again.
God willing.
There's a lady at work who is convinced women are going to lose the right to vote.
Liberals are victims of their own hyperbole - I was reading a very sad NYT column by Tom Friedman, and the column itself as well as the most popular comments boiled down to this: I guess Americans are even stupider, more racist, and more sexist than I thought.
We are tired of being maligned and ignored. It's our country too.
I think that many, many Democrats will cheer on the scuttling of that rotten ship.
If your a Democrat and have any self-awareness at all you have to wondering why in the world your party conspired to nominate Hillary Rodham Clinton, of all people.
But perhaps "a Democrat" and "self-awareness" are non-intersecting sets.
I have a friend, highly educated with a Doctorate and a Professional degree as well. He insists that Hillary's email server was a big nothing burger. A Republican generated non-scandal, as it were.
You know, leftist domination of the MSM is actually a disadvantage for the left. It allows them to live in a fantasy land where HRC is a virtuous paragon. A highly competent, uncompromisable Statesman whose every waking moment is spent working to advance the cause of the downtrodden. She is like Mother Teresa really, only in a pantsuit.
Trump on the other hand is evil and stupid and a madman.
Paddy O said...
"I never thought Chelsea WANTED to be involved in politics"
I don't think Bill wanted to be back involved in politics. Too much of a spotlight on his freewheelin' lifestyle.
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Bill and Donald are going to have a celebration dinner together before too long, methinks.
But what, now, does the Clinton Fundraising Machine have to sell? No more influence to peddle. The Clinton Foundation budget will implode. Nobody wants the scandal, and they've got no marketable product even without the scandal.
Bill should just take a job at the University of Arkansas and git him some coeds. And Hillary should just take a job at Wellesley and get her some coeds of her own.
How has that "tea bagger" slur worked out for you, Howard?
coupe said...
One thing that will make me happy, is to never see or hear from Elizabeth Warren ever again.
God willing.
Doesn't this result just guarantee a Warren For President nomination in 2020? Of course it does. Mark it down, right now. Trump, mired in personal lawsuits, calls it quits after one term. It will be Cotton versus Warren. Or Thune versus Warren. Or Pence versus Warren. I suppose it will be Pence versus Warren.
"The Democratic Party establishment has beclowned itself and is finished."
So flows the hysteria over at Slate. That's by Jim Newell, who might need to settle down.
I disagree. With the WikiLeaks reveals from John Podesta's emails, I think the entire Democrat Establishment = Political Media Establishment has utterly disgraced itself, and now that spreading that information doesn't help Trump, it's going to get a LOT of play.
The Dems are going to have a Civil War, it's going to be bloody, and it is totally justified. (If Trump had lost, the Reps would be having that Civil War instead.)
Trump, mired in personal lawsuits, calls it quits after one term.
Chuck, I gotta say, that was just sad.
But, I gotta agree that there is a good chance that Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee in 2020, even if she is going to be 71 then.
Consequences have elections.
If the Democrat Party, as it is now, is actually capable of learning, then they should be able to recognize their massive institutional defects and completely excise the Clintonites like a malignant tumor. Those who deserve to go to jail should be sent to jail, and if the Dems are smart, they should name names.
The Dems are going to have a Civil War, it's going to be bloody, and it is totally justified. (If Trump had lost, the Reps would be having that Civil War instead.)
Totally agree. Showdown between the true believing, socialist, SJW, oppression studies majoring wing and the pragmatist center-left wing. Moar popcorn.
Howard may need an intervention soon. He seems to be melting down.
"Aside from their entrenched positions in the bureaucracy "
That should be job #2 for Trump. Right after canceling all EOs of Obama. Then he should review the previous EOs especially JFK's enabling federal employee unions.
The fact that there is so much astonishment by those on the left is merely a manifestation of their inherent cluelessness.
Mark it down, right now. Trump, mired in personal lawsuits, calls it quits after one term. - Chuck
He might call it quits after one term, but unlike Palin, who, despite your claims to the contrary, had to fight these lawfare attacks with her meager personal "fortune," getting sued is BAU for billionaires.
"Trump, mired in personal lawsuits, calls it quits after one term."
Chuck may need an intervention, too. You would fit in well at Ricochet, chuck. You could even have my subscription. They are all Trump haters, too.
I suspect Trump will not run in 2020, giving Pence the chance he never would have had any other way. He will be 74 and have proved what he wanted to prove.
I thought the most telling line in the article was....
"Democrats have to win more white voters. They have to do so in a way that doesn’t erode the anti-racist or anti-sexist planks of the modern party".
If clueless were an Olympic event, he'd take home the Gold. The Democrat party is fundamentally a grab bag of deals with racial and gender identity groups. It stands for stereotyping, prejudice and discrimination based on race and gender.
Justice Roberts said it best when he opined that the best way to end discrimination was to stop discriminating.
Milo Yiannopoulos is going to be insufferable the next 4 years.
I hope President Trump puts Chris Christie in charge of school lunches.
As of now, it likely marks the Rise of La Raza, and the end of Gringo Supremacy. Unless Trump appoints Sheriff Joe as head of ICE and Ann Coulter as a Special Deportation Czar for non-citizens.
DaTrump needs to make a deal with them written in Spanish and Latin, bearing the fancy Papal Seal in red wax, that no one can understands but them.
One of the things I noticed over and over from liberal commentators was astonishment that Trump voters didn't listen to the polls saying it was hopeless and stay home.
That was shiloh's whole "Keep hope alive!" strategy. It was the Democrat/Media strategy, as demonstrated in the Podesta email about "getting what we need from public polls." Hint: Billion dollar campaigns don't need data from public polls.
Your candidate hoovering millions of dollars of bribes may have damaged her credibility a little. Though not with Democrats. Which may have damaged their credibility a little.
Ron Winkleheimer: Chuck, I gotta say, that was just sad.
He can't help himself. The man just can't help himself.
Chuck's rice bowl is threatened.
Nonapod said...
Consequences have elections.
If the Democrat Party, as it is now, is actually capable of learning, then they should be able to recognize their massive institutional defects and completely excise the Clintonites like a malignant tumor. Those who deserve to go to jail should be sent to jail, and if the Dems are smart, they should name names.
11/9/16, 12:54 PM
Yeah, no. Sorry. They will just double down and continue to call us all racists and Nazis. Remember, to Democrats, we are EVIL. According to them, they have nothing to learn. They just need a "simpler" message to get through to us how much they will help us. They will double-down next time and offer up Warren or someone else as equally or more so, socialist. Promise even more bennies and even more open boarders.
As an aside, I must admit to being very surprised by the outcome. I expected that Team Hillary already has this election stolen and were just going through the motions. Maybe they believed their own spin and decided they didn't need "more" fraud? The after-analysis should answer that question.
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
You know what FBI investigation will likely cover this? The Clinton Foundation investigation, because those records she destroyed in burn bags, were records of meetings with donors to the Clinton Foundation.
Prisoner - Cellblock I->I
The depletion of the Democratic farm system is a problem, but it's easy to make too big a deal of it. Whichever little fish wins the nomination in 2020 will automatically become a big fish by virtue of being the nominee.
I wouldn't assume Trump will bow out after 4 years. But I don't assume anything anymore.
If this was a Wheel of Time book, Trump would be ta'veren, a person who the Pattern is weaved around. As absurd as it may sound at this point to some people, Trump may weirdly actually end up being one of the greatest Presidents this country has ever seen. He seems to be able to defy all assumptions and prognostications. He constantly disproves all his detractors (Yeesh, I'm beginning to sound like Scott Adams or something).
2016 will go down in History as the strangest year in a long time.
Pee-pee Pants City
"I suspect Trump will not run in 2020, giving Pence the chance he never would have had any other way. He will be 74 and have proved what he wanted to prove."
Ditto. This is a killing job, and regardless of the superhuman energy and endurance of the God-Emperor, age and exhaustion will creep up on him.
Looks like Merrick Garland won't be getting that last minute vote.
"I suspect Trump will not run in 2020, giving Pence the chance he never would have had any other way. He will be 74 and have proved what he wanted to prove."
Ditto. This is a killing job, and regardless of the superhuman energy and endurance of the God-Emperor, age and exhaustion will creep up on him.
I suspect Trump will not run in 2020, giving Pence the chance he never would have had any other way. He will be 74 and have proved what he wanted to prove.
I would agree. No way will Trump want a second term. He plans to implement his agenda and then go back to private life. Unlike Obama, who will stay in Washington and bask in the glow of the power elite.
The Dems will have the filibuster
Easily changed with a simple majority rules change vote. Three true conservatives on the SC bench will realign our culture nicely.
... Man, this mean I owe Dilbert a "You were right" too.
I agree that Trump will be 4 and done. It will be enough time to put his agenda into practice and hand the baton off to someone younger, Paul Ryan perhaps?
Still talking about how they expected low turnout from African Americans to be made up by all of those shiny new Hispanic voters.
Deplorable whites, dispensable blacks. That's a winning strategy!
"Clintonian Democrats are finished. They were on their last legs when Obama won, only kept around due to their reach, power and friends.
"Now that those things are... trumped by other concerns, the Warren/Sanders wing is going to come forward, much like Tea Partiers came forward after Romney/McCain had their go."
I hope this is true. One would have thought they would take a lesson from Sanders' unexpected popularity while he was still running. But no, they dismissed him and his supporters as kooks and know-nothings, and once Sanders was disposed of, they forgot about him and never thought about what his appeal might have been. This just shows how arrogant they were, not to mention completely lacking in political savvy.
I actually live in a black majority district in Florida. No black voters at the polls, though all of the poll workers were "of color."
"I suspect Trump will not run in 2020..."
That's not nice. What did Althouse do to you?
It's pretty lame to steal what is one of her "special" themes.
I think Trump should set a meeting with the leaders of NATO in December.
He needs to tell them that they have to move their military forces away from the Russian border. NATO is about to create a nuclear war, and the USA will have to pay for it.
They said expansion of NATO east was just going to be political, but in fact, NATO now has artillery within range of Saint Petersburg.
The media keeps blaming Putin, but Putin is only saying what we would say if Russia sent its forces to Mexico in some alliance.
This is the biggest threat to world peace since the Cuban missile crisis. Only this time Russia will not back down.
They are not talking hydrogen weapons, they are talking atomic weapons of small yield, that are big enough to wipe out the NATO forces. Something that won't irradiate Russia itself with large doses.
You can see these weapons in action, on youtube, where US soldiers fight nuclear battles on the Nevada ranges. It's better than cluster bombs or GPS weapons.
Don't get me started on neutron weapons or high altitude EMP shots.
I am happy that Rep Niki Tsongas (D-MA) is still here, and the Clintons are gone! I remember what Bill Clinton did to Paul Tsongas 24 years ago.
"The way they managed Hillary's nomination makes this clear that this another failure of central planning. Empirically socialist policies never achieve their stated goals and they've done it again."
To the contrary, if Clinton had offered any even faintly socialist programs, she might have won. Look at Sanders' great unexpected popularity. They failed to take him and his appeal seriously. Clinton and crew--including Obama--were rejected because they were seen accurately as "say-anyting-do-the-usual" Beltway operators, vassals of Wall Street and the financial elites.
I don't think Trump's supporters are going to be very happy with how his administration will perform, as it will probably be very similar to what we've had the last 16-24 years, though, it is to be hoped, less belligerent on the world stage, and less apt to use the military to achieve our political aims.
Ron Winkleheimer said...
But, I gotta agree that there is a good chance that Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee in 2020, even if she is going to be 71 then.
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If they do, they'd be making the same mistake as Wisconsin Dem's did after the Walker election, Act 10, and the Recall.
The Dem's diagnosis of their losses due to their leftist policies was to go even more leftist.
Results? The Dem's in Wisconsin will be in the political desert for at least a decade.
Paul Krugman has come unhinged. According to him, I, a Trump voter, am really an uneducated racist rural white male with a deep rage.
He's been borderline for years.
The Dems will have the filibuster, and as always, the mainstream media on their side.
Reid opened that box. It can be shot down when needed now.
"I think Trump should set a meeting with the leaders of NATO in December.
"He needs to tell them that they have to move their military forces away from the Russian border. NATO is about to create a nuclear war, and the USA will have to pay for it.
"They said expansion of NATO east was just going to be political, but in fact, NATO now has artillery within range of Saint Petersburg.
"The media keeps blaming Putin, but Putin is only saying what we would say if Russia sent its forces to Mexico in some alliance."
YES!
I keep seeing and hearing that now it is up to Trump to bring the country together.
Wrong, it is up to the haters and bullies and dividers on the left to heal the wounds they have caused.
The left. starting with Obama, has been dividing the country for years.
Is it safe to say that Glenn Beck is the kiss of death?
When he was conservative, Republicans lost the WH twice.
He becomes a Progressive and, lo and behold, Democrats lose the WH.
Robert Cook said...
To the contrary, if Clinton had offered any even faintly socialist programs, she might have won.
Socialist healthcare was offered in Colorado, quite friendly territory for Sanders.
79% of the population voted against it. Americans aren't stupid enough for socialism yet. We probably need 3-4 generations of left wing academic control before people are sufficiently divorced from reality to give it a shot.
The Dems have a history of dragging issues before the Supreme Court, mandating laws in states by withholding federal funds and executive orders. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the Democrats now that they have lost control of that power?
You are right that Slate is hysterical. But also correct.
Robert Cook said...
One would have thought they would take a lesson from Sanders' unexpected popularity while he was still running. But no, they dismissed him and his supporters as kooks and know-nothings,
So the Clintons did get something right after all!
The best thing about this election is the Republicans can replace Scalia and hopefully Kennedy with some mainstream judges. We narrowly avoided being ruled by a Ginsberg SCOTUS for the next 20 years.
It will be a couple of days before we get enough facts to really understand what happened in this election, but I think I am beginning to get a handle on some of it. The underestimation of Donald Trump makes the same of Reagan look like most people thought Reagan was the Messiah. Trump is a very smart man and he has one of the most important and rare talents of leadership: he knows how to relate to and inspire ordinary people. He understands himself completely. He knows how to turn his weaknesses into strengths. He has a tremendous amount of energy and, above all, perseverance. I think he knew Hillary was weaker than any of us thought. I think he was aware of the rot within the Clinton organization and the Democratic party. He was certainly attuned to the anger within large parts of the populace. How does a billionaire from NYC tune in like that unless he has some truly special talent?
Do I love seeing the MSM in apoplexy? You betcha! We are going to see a lot more of that in the future. All these smart asses with all the answers are going to be exposed for the rather stupid people they are. I agree with all those who have been wishing them a giant FU!
And a shout out to Reince Preibus! In the wildest of years he put together an operation that elected a maverick, kept the senate majority and made further gains in the states. Either he's damned lucky or immensely talented. I'll go with the latter.
And of course NR, the Bush clan, Ryan, kristol, and Jonah Goldberg didn't care about that.
"The Democrat party is fundamentally a grab bag of deals with racial and gender identity groups."
Jay Cost wrote a pretty good book a few years ago called. "Spoiled Rotten", about the Democrats competing identity groups.
The British voters are excited about Trump and Farage has picked up a lot of credibility.
Watch for more "Anglosphere" activity in the next couple of years. There is interest in an English speaking trade alliance,
" Either he's damned lucky or immensely talented."
-- Embrace the power of and.
Class diversity. Devaluation of capital and labor. Perpetual smoothing functions. Social "justice" adventurism. Trials by sodomy and abortion. Immigration "reform". Outsourcing/insourcing. Establishment of monopolies and practices. Selective exclusion. Scientific mysticism. Betraying the security of America, People, and Posterity. Disarming and aborting the innocent... the wholly innocent. Planned Parenthood. The final solution? There are other solutions accessible to civilized people.
Revitalization. Rehabilitation. Reconciliation.
We should blame all those people around the Clintons more than the Clintons themselves, and the Clintons themselves deserve a ridiculous amount of blame. ... The Clintons will be gone now. For the sake of the country, let them take the hangers-on with them.
This is perfectly true. I'm old enough to remember when social liberals -- perhaps including Professor Althouse -- taunted the Republicans asking how any party could fly on just one wing. The same can be asked of the 21st century Democrats. You only have one left wing, no right wing or center-right wing or even center for that matter. How do you expect to get anywhere?
I'm hoping this DNC loss is the death knell of Progressivism.
Anyone associated with this political failure, should be sent packing.
We are Capitalists God damn it, and patriots can't stand for Progressives or their Marxist-Leninism in America.
We don't need no stinking dictatorship of the proletariat, or socialism. Not when you can become a billionaire and own Senators.
We need two fucking bathrooms.
rcocean said...
The best thing about this election is the Republicans can replace Scalia and hopefully Kennedy with some mainstream judges. We narrowly avoided being ruled by a Ginsberg SCOTUS for the next 20 years.
I have a feeling, that if we had a President Kasich, Justice Kennedy might decide it is a good time to retire.
With a President Trump, Kennedy might decide to work another four years.
I don't know; we will surely see now for ourselves...
So I keep hearing that black turnout was down. Do we have any numbers from those who *did* turn out yet? Did Trump get a higher or lower percentage of voting blacks than recent Republicans?
Maybe somebody could retire that clip of Trump waving his hands around and imitating that disabled reporter. We've been eating that for breakfast, lunch, and dinner for months.
To the contrary, if Clinton had offered any even faintly socialist programs, she might have won.
Robert, you confuse popularity with policies, which is exactly what Clinton did. Clinton thought if she just larded up her platform with some minimum wage and healthcare for all callouts, she'd pick up baskets of votes.
Scott Adams
Did the United States Just Elect a Monster?
No. Clinton’s team of cognitive scientists and professional persuaders did a terrific job of framing Trump as scary. The illusion will wear off – albeit slowly – as you observe Trump going about the job of President and taking it seriously. You can expect him to adjust his tone and language going forward. You can expect foreign leaders to say they can work with him. You can expect him to focus on unifying an exhausted and nervous country. And you can expect him to succeed in doing so. (He’s persuasive.) Watch as Trump turns to healing. You’re going to be surprised how well he does it. But give it time.
I’ll be doing my persuasive best to help our new president unify the country. I’m not a monster either – just a little bit deplorable when the situation calls for it. And I would ask other Trump supporters to step up and be useful as well. If you helped elect Trump, you have a responsibility to calm the nerves of Clinton supporters who also have their country’s best interests in mind. Let’s all be worthy of our decisions.
How did you know this would play out like a movie?
@ Michael K It would be nice to see the "special relationship" revived. A US/ Brit trade pact should take about a week to negotiate! The Germans will be clamoring to join!
@ Matthew Sablan Yes I'll go with "and", but most times talent and hard work are what bring luck.
Unknown said...
So I keep hearing that black turnout was down. Do we have any numbers from those who *did* turn out yet? Did Trump get a higher or lower percentage of voting blacks than recent Republicans?
Various exit polls are showing approximately 14% of black men, 4% of black women and 8% overall black vote for Trump.
That is on a par with recent Republican candidates. It's hard to quantify fairly, because the 2008 and 2012 elections featured Mr. Magical himself, Barack Obama. And those numbers will go down as historic outliers.
Republicans' share of black votes have been declining steadily since the 1970's.
Black turnout seems to have been terrible for Hillary. I know how terrible it was for her in Detroit. She lost Michigan by about 13,225 votes. (A very narrow loss.) And Wayne County (Detroit and surrounding communities of color) turnout was down by about 129,000 from 2012. Hillary lost Michigan because black voters didn't show up. Period. Full stop. Multiply that times Cleveland, times Milwaukee, times Charlotte, times Cincinnati, times Richmond, times Raleigh.
Alex: "Milo Yiannopoulos is going to be insufferable the next 4 years"
Insufferability in the face of authoritarian left-wing political correctness and Social Justice Warrior Marxists is no vice.
khesan said And a shout out to Reince Preibus! In the wildest of years he put together an operation that elected a maverick, kept the senate majority and made further gains in the states. Either he's damned lucky or immensely talented. I'll go with the latter.
Yes. Preibus had the balls to stick with Trump when he got the nomination even when most of the GOPe were deserting him like scared rabbits.
Unknown wants to know: So I keep hearing that black turnout was down. Do we have any numbers from those who *did* turn out yet? Did Trump get a higher or lower percentage of voting blacks than recent Republicans?
Here are some date from CBS exit polls:
Clinton needed extremely strong support from African-American voters to try to offset Trump’s margin among whites. She did win 88 percent of the black vote to just 8 percent for Trump. However, this was significantly lower than the 93 percent of black voters Mr. Obama won four years ago. The falloff in her share of the black vote was entirely due to black men. Clinton won among black women by a 93 percent to 4 percent margin. Among black men she won by 80 percent to 13 percent.
again, data, not date. ;-)
Drago said...
Alex: "Milo Yiannopoulos is going to be insufferable the next 4 years"
Insufferability in the face of authoritarian left-wing political correctness and Social Justice Warrior Marxists is no vice.
I cannot really hate you, with comments like that. Although Milo Yiannopoulos could be insufferable at the same time that he was saving planet earth from certain destruction.
If they do, they'd be making the same mistake as Wisconsin Dem's did after the Walker election, Act 10, and the Recall.
Yeah, but it's who they are. Hillary and Bill are (or at least were) the representatives of the more moderate portion of the Democrat party. Hillary didn't even come out for gay marriage until it was a forgone conclusion. Come 2020 the DNC nominee is going to be hard left because that is were the energy in the party is going to come from. Bernie supporters are going to be insisting that he could have won. Party activists are all hard left. The only moderating influence I can see is from the donors and they will be perfectly happy to finance a candidate that is perceived as far left, as long as said candidate understands that regulations and policies inconvenience the donors' competitors only.
Will that strategy succeed? I agree with you, nope. That is, as long as Trump actually enacts his platform. But it will take at least one election cycle before the Democrat party can purge itself. And, as many people much smarter than me have pointed out, the press and the Democrat party (but I repeat myself) keeps announcing the demise of the Republican party, but it is the Democrats who are losing control of state governments.
My guess is Debbie Wasserman Schultz is going to get primaried in 2018. Something that is likely to happen to a lot of centrist Democrats. And nobody from the Clinton camp is going to have any influence. Hell, a lot of them might be under indictment.
Mada Gasper said...
Paul Krugman has come unhinged. According to him, I, a Trump voter, am really an uneducated racist rural white male with a deep rage.
- PhD, brown, immigrant, urban, no rage, deep or shallow.
Ha! So you admit to being male! Deplorable!!
(I have to cop to whiteness as well; I'm double-deplorable!)
If the Left and the foreigners want to understand exactly what was behind Trump's victory last night ... there is an actual movie that they can all watch that (with the exception of the part at the end where the protagonist decides to murder his ex-wife ... which I'm sure THEY will think is also a part of it) perfectly encapsulates the mentality behind last night's vote.
It's called FALLING DOWN with Michael Douglass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Down
What we have here is a seriously dangerous case of Group Think. And it should be a caution to us all. It was not simply the "hangers on" who were infected. The Rhodes Scholar and his Yale Law School Moll have been the inspiration to many university educated (I say that loosely) who can string several sentences together to make copy with terminal cases of Group Think. They convinced themselves with contagion and became more virulent as the election season wore on. They truly were artful in blowing their smoke up their own bung holes.
Alas, this Group Think spills over into Cognitive Dissonance of a terminal nature. I hear this on French Left Radio by the minute. American Experts were practically frothing at the mouth on Monday as if to convince their inferiors that the Intellectual Classes knew best. Every single one of them has been wrong. The entire system of polling has been wrong, although a careful analysis of the margin of error should let anyone realize that the spread in the polls was noise.
What is very troubling is that political experts of the media breed are using their role as analysts as a bully pulpit. More Group Think preaching to the faithful. Problematic as that these true believers are a closed group, part of the disease. I heard this evening on French Left Radio a Franco-American woman say (in French), "Who are THESE people who voted for Trump. None of my friends voted for this horrible man." So much for an unbiased sample.
Group Think is a very common disease; we are all prone to it. Lest we forget, this infected lot of American Royalty must be a lesson to us all.
Daniel Jackson @2:44: Great post!!!
[The Clintonian Democrats] are still infesting the bureaucracy.
Unfortunately the federal bureauracy (not the military, btw) has been insulated and cosseted by a library of civil service regulations that has made it virtually impossible to fire anyone over a GS5. Once you get to GS6 you have a guaranteed job for life. Practically speaking there are just three things that can get you fired from a federal job:
1) Sexual harassment in the workplace (Sound a wolf whistle and you'll hit the street so fast you'll head will spin.)
2) Insubordination
3) Be convicted of a felony (maybe)
Trump will run into endless frustrations if he tries to run the bureaucracy like one of his golf resorts (Crabgrass on my greens? You're fired!) However, even though it is next to impossible to fire a federal office schlub or even decrease their salary or emoluments, the Secretary of the governmental department overseeing a particular agency or service can specify the exact duties anyone must perform, which suggests a way to cut that gordian knot.
A reflective vest, a bunch of plastic bags, and a stick with a nail in it would be fitting for the likes of Peter Kadzik, methinks
Imagine all those GS12's over at the Environmental Protection Agency protecting our environment with mops and push brooms for 8 hours a day, five days a week.
Robert Cook said...
"The way they managed Hillary's nomination makes this clear that this another failure of central planning. Empirically socialist policies never achieve their stated goals and they've done it again."
To the contrary, if Clinton had offered any even faintly socialist programs, she might have won. Look at Sanders' great unexpected popularity. They failed to take him and his appeal seriously. Clinton and crew--including Obama--were rejected because they were seen accurately as "say-anyting-do-the-usual" Beltway operators, vassals of Wall Street and the financial elites.
I don't think Trump's supporters are going to be very happy with how his administration will perform, as it will probably be very similar to what we've had the last 16-24 years, though, it is to be hoped, less belligerent on the world stage, and less apt to use the military to achieve our political aims.
11/9/16, 1:24 PM
Yep, that is the ticket! It has worked out SO well for Venezuela!
"Blogger The Bear said...
It's called FALLING DOWN with Michael Douglass."
If you want a revolution, convince people that they, and all the people, and all the things that they love are at the mercy of uncontrollable economic and historical forces. "Progressives" have doing this since the 1840s. Nice to see the tactic turned around and used on them.
If DWS is what passes for a "centrist" among Democrats, that explains a lot.
Mockturtle: and we know CBS exit polls were crazy accurate, heh.
I bet the black vote for Hillary was WAY lower than that. But an accurate count of that will remain forever, conveniently, impossible to ever produce.
Where Scott Adams gets it wrong is his assumption that liberals also have "the country's best interests at heart". No, no they really REALLY don't.
I agree, Qwinn. I've been digging for real data since last night.
Gallup has been doing regular polling since 1952. And blacks have been singled out since 2000 (previously "non-white" and "white" were the only racial divisions).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/Election-Polls-Presidential-Vote-Groups.aspx
If DWS is what passes for a "centrist" among Democrats, that explains a lot.
Yes, it does. I don't think most people appreciate just how batshit crazy a good portion of the left has gotten. Nor how willing they are to use force to get their way.
The john doe investigation in Wisconsin for instance. You had a political party willing to use the police power of the state to suppress an opposing viewpoint. The ultimate aim of the investigation was to destroy and possibly imprison people for threatening the flow of money to the Democrat party. How is that different from any other totalitarian state? And if the courts had not put a stop to it, wouldn't the people of Wisconsin been justified in using force to resist this attack on their rights and freedom. Fortunately, despite the Democrat attempt to subvert it, the rule of law still prevails, for the most part.
"...We should blame all those people around the Clintons more than the Clintons themselves, and the Clintons themselves deserve a ridiculous amount of blame. Hillary Clinton was just an ambitious person who wanted to be president."
What twaddle, no one forced Clinton to collude with a corrupt media in an attempt to divert blame for her flawed policy decisions, take unreported donations/gifts or ensnare herself in an illegal email scheme to avoid public oversight. Hillary probably would have survived any one of the difficulties that plagued her campaign, but combined they created a perfect storm of dishonesty and venality.
Given that Bill Clinton is tainted at best as a womanizer and liar, Hillary and those around her should have been as Caesar's wife; above reproach.
She chose poorly.
I'm not happy about the result. I didn't vote for either of them.
I, too, didn't vote for either of them. But I'm happy that arguably the most corrupt, reprehensible person to ever run for president got denied the brass ring she's been grasping for all her adult life. I'm happy that we finally may be rid of the Clintons and all the baggage that goes with them. I'm really happy that Hillary Clinton won't be appointing any SCOTUS justices.
As for the Democratic party, any chance we might see a return of a Scoop Jackson type of Democrat or an honorable liberal like Hubert Humphrey or Daniel Patrick Moynihan? Are there any Democrats like that left?
What Trump can do is govern like someone for whom I'd be happy to vote come 2020.
Are there any Democrats like that left?
You might as well wonder what broiled trilobite tastes like.
The democrats have four seats on the Supreme Court. That fact that one is 78 and another is 83 shouldn't be of any concern to the left.
There are now enough republican legislatures to pass any amendments that come out of Congress. Trump could fundamentally transform this country like Obama The Ephemeral could never do.
You might as well wonder what broiled trilobite tastes like.
There are some governors who aren't too bad, like Phil Bredesen of Tennessee.
"I'm hoping this DNC loss is the death knell of Progressivism.
Anyone associated with this political failure, should be sent packing.
We are Capitalists God damn it, and patriots can't stand for Progressives or their Marxist-Leninism in America.
We don't need no stinking dictatorship of the proletariat, or socialism. Not when you can become a billionaire and own Senators.
We need two fucking bathrooms."
Looney tunes!
tim in vermont said...
One of the things I noticed over and over from liberal commentators was astonishment that Trump voters didn't listen to the polls saying it was hopeless and stay home.
That was shiloh's whole "Keep hope alive!" strategy. It was the Democrat/Media strategy, as demonstrated in the Podesta email about "getting what we need from public polls." Hint: Billion dollar campaigns don't need data from public polls.
11/9/16, 1:02 PM
I will claim my mite of credit there as blog commissar, encouraging the fearful, comforting the disgusted, counteracting wreckers like shiloh.
Ni shagu nazad!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227
"We should blame all those people around the Clintons more than the Clintons themselves, and the Clintons themselves deserve a ridiculous amount of blame. Hillary Clinton was just an ambitious person who wanted to be president. There are a lot of people like that. But she was enabled. The Democratic establishment is a club unwelcoming to outsiders, because outsiders don’t first look out for the club. The Clintons will be gone now. For the sake of the country, let them take the hangers-on with them."
In fact it was the Democrats and the media that ended up electing Trump. Because they fundamentally misread the situation. Their strategy was to push pied piper candidates to marginalize the republicans as extremists and to knock out the moderates. They thought that Marco Rubio and Jeb were actually the candidates that would pose the biggest threat. not Trump.
So, lets think back to when Trump was getting all the media coverage. This was calculated.
http://mashable.com/2016/10/14/cnn-donald-trump/#xATh7lVq7aqX They gave him the coverage becaue they thought, once he was only one left standing he could be easiest to take out. And they did the same to Bernie. Remember how he was always saying he couldn't get ANY coverage. Even though he was pulling HUGE crowds. again, this was the strategy. Because he was popular, bury the coverage. Then Hillary gets to step in and be the candidate.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. Trump was actually the candidate they should have promoted LEAST. they should instead have promoted JEb. Because the country was going through an anti establishment sentiment and wanted populist who took on the system.
So, it was the right strategy at the wrong time. If the libs are shocked at trump winning they might want to look at how spectacularly their strategy backfired in their face.
We need two fucking bathrooms.
There are more comfortable places in which to fuck.
Nonapod wrote:
As absurd as it may sound at this point to some people, Trump may weirdly actually end up being one of the greatest Presidents this country has ever seen.
Late in the day, I hope this comment will be noticed.
But I've had the same idea for quite a while. Watching Trump at a hundred rallies (via the web) it is clear he's no ordinary politician, or man for that matter. He has an usually vivid idea of his mission, to bring us together "as one people". I'm convinced he really means it, and will succeed better than almost anyone predicts, except maybe a few of us.
Give it 6 months into his first term, there will be a surprising number of "converts", people signing on to the American team. I concur, Trump may well be the most effective US President ever.
I heard on Fox News last night that, when Trump first told Melania he was considering running for President, she said 'You know that, if you run, you will win.'
You might as well wonder what broiled trilobite tastes like.
TLC!! Tastes Like Chicken!
"So flows the hysteria over at Slate."
Whoa! Wait a second! I've been told that using the word "hysteria" is irredeemably sexist because of its etymology and history! Don't even get me started on the use of "flows" within the same sentence!
Intriguing: a study shows that Trump in 2016 would've beaten Obama in 2012.
When I wonder why people pretend to love using a stupid word like "Schadenfreude" I realize that they think the Germans can do a better job of sanitizing their sadism.
Sadists are now in control of the country.
Germans. Chemists, mechanizers of mass murder, and language sanitizers for sociopaths.
They make all ugly things seem neat and orderly. I for one welcome our new overlords.
Fucking Nazi sadists. Again, let me know when the red armbands become the new fashion. I don't want to be caught off-guard.
Well, looks like R&B is returning to form.
"Are there any Democrats like that left?"
Ron Wyden in Wyoming seems pretty chill.
"Fucking Nazi sadists. Again, let me know when the red armbands become the new fashion. I don't want to be caught off-guard."
Lady Gaga is the only person to have donned red armbands in the past 72 hours.
Qwinn said...Well, looks like R&B is returning to form.
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Yes..you never know which R&B you're gonna get. Maybe if we could see what's in his sippee cup.
Some folks are spreading the idea that DJT actually received fewer votes than Mitt did.
Much of the instant reaction to the election has been wrong, or at least wrongheaded. Trump got about the same number of votes as Romney, and about the same percentage of white vote. He won because he got votes in the right places.
Standard SLATE B.S.
Looking forward to 2018 there are 8 republicans up for reelection and 25 democrats. The states are divided 30/20 republican/democrat.
There is no reason why the senate should not be permanently 60/40 republican after 2018. It is just the way the system is set up.
B ut one aspect of it, minor in the overall sweep, that I’m pretty sure we can comprehend well enough right now: The Democratic Party establishment has beclowned itself and is finished." "
this isn't THAT hysterical. Joe Scarborough was in tv the night of the election and pointed out that Obama was the worst president when you count the number of senators lost during that presidency. They lost record numbers of senators in the last two elections. in the current election they were supposed to at least back the senate, but they didn't' And in two more years more will be up for reelection. So they have been hammered, and Obama did them no favors.
But everything is cyclical. there is no reason to assume they can't get back house and senate over course of next few elections.
walter said...
Qwinn said...Well, looks like R&B is returning to form.
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Yes..you never know which R&B you're gonna get. Maybe if we could see what's in his sippee cup.
The lad's a character.
Njall,
"There's a lady at work who is convinced women are going to lose the right to vote."
She may be on to something.
" Preibus had the balls to stick with Trump "
Yes, and good for him! He still needs to change his name, though.
mockturtle @ 5:32pm:
Who says we're going for comfort? Seems like excitement -- transgressive excitement, even -- is the order of the day.
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