Each of the questions has had smuggled assumptions in them that, when I hear, I am clued in that these people may not be declared one party or the other -- but they are not undecided/swayable voters.
What planet is she living on where the Trump people are inciting violence? It's the left-wing thugs from her party who were beating up Trump supporters! What a liar she is!
She's talking up Bill Clinton's economic record. Well, Obama hasn't had 3% growth in any of his eight years in office -- the first president EVER to have had such poor economic growth, and Hillary's prospective policies are unlikely to improve on that sorry record.
I think he's actually coming out tying her in terms of effectiveness. She wants to make it personal, he can go back personally.
Like it or not, none of the other Republicans would have gone there. They needed Trump because Hillary would always make it personal, and sexist, and he's the only one willing to fight back on the same grounds. The others would have shuddered, as they always do with her.
So Hillary wants a court that is a progressive super-legislature. She wants to overturn Citizens United a ruling that allowed her crimes to be exposed.
you do realize that he was talking about the twitter war against Ms Piggy that started at 3:20. Right?
Doesn't matter. Cooper's question referenced the time. Not the topic. He related discipline to not staying up and tweeting. I heard the question in its entirety. No hiccups on my line. No reference was made by the questioner to the topic. Just that he was up late tweeting.
"The others would have shuddered, as they always do with her."
Completely wrong. Anyone else would have been hammering and hammering and hammering and hammering change v status quo. But, HRC has him so diverted that he can't remember what he should be doing.
Completely wrong. Anyone else would have been hammering and hammering and hammering and hammering change v status quo.
Not effectively. They would have been recycling the same Republican talking points I've heard for decades. No one cares about that. Trump's approach, rhetoric and ideological style are way more diverse. Other Republicans wouldn't have given a shit about what she and the DNC did to Sanders supporters. Or blacks. Or whatever. He does. Say what you will - he's not hemmed in by the GOP and that's exactly what they needed. She controls the DNC; there's no way someone controlled by the RNC could have made a dent in someone with that much power.
Trump is winning. He is talking about a prosperous future where all Americans can take part in the country's greatness. He is talking about reversing 30 years of slow decline.
Clinton is losing. She is talking about maintaining the status quo.
We can agree to disagree. DJT was planning to rest this argument on the 30 year thing, just like he did in the first debate. But, HRC came ready to blow that apart. Another R would have come armed w/ a new, powerful way of making the point.
How come a black man like Bill Cosby gets publicly destroyed with rape allegations and a white man like Bill Clinton goes free? White privilege? Women's privilege? Democrat privilege?
That's all you. You're trying to pinch hit for DJT. How would you have DJT forcefully make the change v status quo argument if you knew that HRC would come ready to destroy the 30 year thing?
Blogger Matthew Sablan said... "How come a black man like Bill Cosby gets publicly destroyed with rape allegations and a white man like Bill Clinton goes free? " -- Bill Cosby was famous, Bill Clinton had power. That's the real difference, I think.
Bill was the 1st black president. Cosby went off the plantation re culture.
Hard to watch. Trump seems to be unable to move, as a debater must, from specific facts to general claim and back again. Apparently his coaches stuffed his RAM with sound-bites and generic themes and turned him loose. He is so excited at the fat target pictures that keep appearing in his sights that he jerks the trigger or swings early. Some damage done but OMG what 6 months' training in forensics could have done. My sad conclusion is: he's an angry slob, what you see tonight is as good as it will ever get.
Does that mean he should never get the launch codes? I don't know. His weaknesses do NOT redeem her.
Maybe, as Scott Adams suggests, we should go for Johnson/Weld.
If Trump had given this performance at the first debate, he would be far in front right now. As it is, I think Rhythm and Balls has it right. He stemmed the bleeding, halted the slide. He still needs to make up the lost ground.
I do have to say one thing, though. As much as I hate the DNC, the journos right now are talking about Trump stopping "the panic" among his party.
Panic?
WTF. What a bunch of cowards. They should have been defending him from the get-go. There was absolutely nothing to this accusation, whatsoever. A tape. A bunch of words. Nothing substantive.
Bill is a liability for Clinton. She gains from the perception that Bill's presidency was successful economically but she loses more because the two of them have so little credibility, thanks primarily to his lack of discipline.
In answer to Althouse's original question, I think Trump succeeded.
"Are you expecting Trump to go big and wild or to play it straight and "normal"?"
EDH said... I expect him to pick his moments, if he's smart.
Apologize for his words when questioned, pivot for the jugular on Hillary's war on women hypocrisy, and then move on to attack her on policy and ethical substance.
I thought his early performance here was bad..very clearly avoiding/rambling etc. But I was honestly surprised he gathered it together as he did as it went on.
WTF. What a bunch of cowards. They should have been defending him from the get-go. There was absolutely nothing to this accusation, whatsoever. A tape. A bunch of words. Nothing substantive.
The "panic" was among the establishment hacks who are worried about their tenure in Congress. They will be dealt with by the voters, if not in '16, then in '18.
From everything I'm reading, Trump won this debate. I didn't see much so don't have an opinion.
If true and Trump won the debate, here is my theory.
Theory:
The Clinton Campaign thought the audio and subsequent politicians and media personalities on the right abandoning Trump would be the end of his campaign, so they didn't prepare for the debate tonight.
Still watching CNN. Van Jones says his threat to investigate and/or jail was a new low.
How could he not go there? She totally got her goons to accuse him of sexual assault. She's about as guilty as sin of as many ordinary citizen jailable offenses as any government official.
Meaghan Kelly just demonstrated that she is a dumb bimbo. Kelley should tell us if she voted for Bill Clinton and if she was against his impeachment.
Trump missed a few opportunities to smash Hillary like stating the economy cratered in 08 thanks to the economic IED's planted by the Clinton Administration. Or go into detail about her graft.
It was worth it to see that picture of Bill squirming that Drudge has up right now. Either way, whoever wins though, there is going to be a dot on the sexual predator map at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Be interesting to hear Van Jones explain how what Hillary did was less of a crime than that NSA guy they just dragged off to jail this past week for taking classified stuff home with him.
Hillary! said a lot of stuff that is just pure B.S., and Trump did not have the facts or speed to challenge her on them. He is not a good debater.
On the other hand, I see several commenters thinking he did well, so maybe it is just that I do not follow that muddled manner of his. Muddled to me anyway.
I could not, could not watch and now it's impossible to find out the result. No one seems very sure. I guess that Hillary did not win since then everyone would be sure. Trump didn't get destroyed because they'd be gloating. A draw? Trump put himself back on the map and now the "e"s (establishment) are baffled?
Maybe tomorrow I'll be strong enough to watch it on Youtube.
I think Trump having that presser before the debate with Paula Jones and the other women and then bringing them in to the debate was a brilliant move. If he hadn't done that we would have listened to 90 minutes of attacks on Trump and his pussy talk. They couldn't go where they wanted to go with that, so they actually had to talk about other issues.
It'll take at least a week to sort itself out. This was a debate that was new low for debates by far; like nothing ever seen before, and it will take time for people to sort it out in their minds.
The Bushes did it. Jeb was so pissy about how Don hurt his feelings. Didn't he go in front of an audience to talk about how Don hurt his feelings and was then ushered off the stage before he could finish his comments?
Ok so now that Jeb's floppy attempt to take vengeance on Trump failed, can we get on to a real campaign?
What's the matter with these journos BTW... saying that Trump's a third world dictator for jailing criminals? That's what happens in a law-abiding society. We're letting too many people go with too many pardons, political and otherwise, regardless of party. There have to be some standards, after all. No one thinks Hillary holds the law in high regard. No one.
He didn't threaten to jail Clinton for vengeance. He made more than a competent case that her criminality, which so many people take very seriously, is being tolerated for political reasons.
Trump didn't need to answer all of her claims, that is a trap so he can't attack her. He answered the important ones and that is sufficient. That left him plenty of time to land solid blows on her credibility and judgement.
Also who gives a fuck about debate civility. Trump was actually very civil tonight.
If the economy is a concern to a voter, I can't imagine them really thinking Hil would be a better steward. However, decades of ingrained/taught ignorance likely undermine that assumption. If it's all "fair share" and free stuff..she's your man.
"Fact Ceck:: Trump said Clinton "acid washed" her email server. She did not. More #debate fact checks: (link: http://nbcnews.to/2c6w8lx) nbcnews.to/2c6w8lx"
If Trump were a skilled, well-prepared debater, Hillary would be a puddle of quivering goo right now. That's how bad she was. She did stay on her feet for the full 90 minutes--I'll give her that (although she frequently appeared to be short circuiting). There was nothing new of substance, but, really, did we expect there would be?
Odds that Trump brings up Monica Lewinsky in the third debate? I was wondering if he kept that one in his pocket this time for any other bimbo plays by the Hillary campaign in the next ten days.
Trump did skillfully embarrass the moderators when he pointed out that Hillary had been talking for an extra minute and they didn't interrupt her like they did him. After that they seemed to get on her when she exceeded her time.
sane_voter said... Odds that Trump brings up Monica Lewinsky in the third debate? I was wondering if he kept that one in his pocket this time for any other bimbo plays by the Hillary campaign in the next ten days.
10/9/16, 10:36 PM
Lewinsky is old news. The Kathy Shelton case is, IMO, much more damaging to Hillary's phony reputation as a protector of women. BTW, I just heard that Trump could not seat those women in the front row at the debate. The organizers didn't want Bill and Hill to have to look at them.
sane_voter said... Odds that Trump brings up Monica Lewinsky in the third debate? -- Nah..Lewinski was a willing participant...and she's not rallying with the others.
I was pleased that Trump admitted to disagreeing with some of Pence's foreign policy statements made last week. First, because I believe Trump is right and Pence wrong Second, because there was no hesitation in his answer nor any attempt to blur the distinction.
The last question really could've used Ann's "bullshit call for civility" tag. Why do people think asking debaters to say something nice about their opponent will produce anything but insincere, mawkish bullshit?
NBC seems a bit desperate: "Fact Ceck:: Trump said Clinton "acid washed" her email server.
They do not seem to realize that they do not help Hillary when they do this. Trump knows that Hillary did not dunk her servers into a bucket of Clorox.
I watched only part of the debate. The feeling I get from the parts that I watched is that Trump clearly won the debate but of course that may be due to my bias. I’ve got it all recorded for possible reference.
I see from the post ops that Trump got into it with the moderators. I assume the moderators were blatantly unfair and believe it was probably a good tactic for Trump to ensure that it did not go unnoticed.
The camera had to follow Trump as he paced around in the split screen format. That movement detracted from Hillary’s more static presentation. In the theatre it’s called “scene-stealing.” And apparently Trump stood throughout while Hillary sometimes took to a chair when she wasn’t speaking. That contrast can only be good for Trump.
The polls next week will settle the question. On the polls – I don’t trust them but they are what we have until that final poll – the election.
It’s not the pollsters’ fault; it’s that Trump is such an unusual candidate, attracting first-time voters, and the continual MSM anti-Trump barrage has made it uncomfortable to openly support Trump.
There’s no Trump decal on my Toyota for the same reason there’s no NRA decal, and for the same reason I do not open-carry: I have no desire to become the target of righteously crazed lefties.
So I always tack on 3 or 4 points to Trump’s numbers in my own calculations. Maybe the only other gauge is Trump’s huge rallies against Hillary’s anemically attended appearances.
Though I didn't see much (Packers won, BTW), I did see Hillary's reponse to Trump's calling her out for deleting 30,000 emails. But I turned over 30,000 more, she bragged. Incredible.
Been watching more cable post ops. Favorite narrative:
The debate is unimportant, signifies nothing and will be soon forgotten. What will not be forgotten(and will be run over and over by the MSM) is the Access Hollywood tape.
Trump's team should have put mics (and a press feed box) in front of the "alleged" Clinton victims for their statements. Amateur shit like that gives press an excuse to not record or play it.
I received my HRC-for-jail bobble head in the mail yesterday. When I ordered it (by following a link from a con in these threads) I thought it was funny.
After hearing DJT (hopefully jokingly?) saying he'd put her in jail, it doesn't seem as funny.
Anywho, it was also a downer to see that it was made in China.
Spent some time watching the CNN "fact checkers". Holy cow; Trump was false when he said Hillary had her emails deleted while they were under Congressional subpoena and Hillary was true when she said the FBI determined that her server wasn't hacked.
Next few days will be interesting. Next polls will only reflect Billy Bush tape and Trump will tank. Then debate polls will come out (the professional ones) and will basically reflect the preferences of those asked. Then Trump will go ballistic for a week. Then news.
I thought Trump was the clear winner. The pundits are in the process of trying to convince the American public otherwise. Perhaps they'll succeed. They're much more persuasive than Hillary.......They're inviting any woman who had ever dated Trump to come forward and claim that he groped her.........I don't think Trump will win the election. Salacious scandals seem to have more top spin than email scandals. That shouldn't be, but that's the way it works.
"After hearing DJT (hopefully jokingly?) saying he'd put her in jail, it doesn't seem as funny."
I had a TS/SC Clearance while I was in the army. If I did what Hillary did I would be in jail for multiple life sentences.
It is not a joke. If you place any value in equal justice under the law and the rule of law in general you must want Hillary to go to jail. You want to let her off because she is wealthy and powerful. You are a disgusting human being.
"After hearing DJT (hopefully jokingly?) saying he'd put her in jail, it doesn't seem as funny."
Why is that? He can't just toss her in the pokey. There would have to be an investigation and a trial. As Achilles said, do you think she should be above the law?
I recall that Hill had no problem with that film maker going to jail for a year for making a film she falsely blamed for the Benghazi fiasco.
I received my HRC-for-jail bobble head in the mail yesterday. When I ordered it (by following a link from a con in these threads) I thought it was funny.
That was my link. I don't consider myself to be a con, either the conservative kind or the kind that Hillary deserves to be. (I posted it because someone made a reference to a Hillary bobblehead. Maybe a joke? I don't really remember. Anyway, I had seen the one that Trump had for sale and thought it was funny so I linked to it.)
"I can get you one made in the states for a cool $199."
Mine was something like $39, incl shipping.
And, it is fairly good size. Also, the box sorta looks like a jail cell with bricks printed as the background and an open side where you can see HRC in a blister pack. One side lists the criminal charges. Presumably this could be evidence in a DJT kangaroo investigation, rather than the Comey model we have today.
I don't know how this will play out, but Trump probably took the only path open to himself tonight. At least Cooper opened the subject for him, though one could argue Trump forced the issue with the pre-debate press conference.
I think it will really come down to this question- outside of Clinton's strongest supporters in the electorate, how many of them really believe the Clinton campaign isn't coordinating all of these revelations of the bawdy sex talk? If you can see through that charade, Trump's counterattacks might work for him. However, if they think the Clinton campaign has nothing to do with it, it won't.
Also, there is probably another shoe to drop- Cooper made the point of asking Trump directly if he had ever been accused of sexually assaulting a woman. Whether he has or not, I think the Clinton team will find someone who will step forward. Anita Hill did it once, so I would not be surprised to find it happening later this week, like Friday afternoon again.
What the fuck is the problem between observing that Certain Women go for a notch on their??? dildo? (don't know). and the rest of the women shake their heads.
True, it does open that door. He will just have to fight it out if and when any crap is drummed up. Perhaps the child rape calumny will have taken off by then. I do hope there is more ammunition to be fired at her, though. Pleasant to see the bullets bounce off him. <--not referring to actual violence
Stay the course, people. It ain't over till it's over.
"...Also, there is probably another shoe to drop- Cooper made the point of asking Trump directly if he had ever been accused of sexually assaulting a woman. Whether he has or not, I think the Clinton team will find someone who will step forward. Anita Hill did it once, so I would not be surprised to find it happening later this week, like Friday afternoon again."
Yes, Cooper pushed that a little to hard. They have something cooked up and ready to serve.
I have been thinking about Billy Bush's role in all of this. At the time the recording was made, Trump wasn't a politician and no one at NBC would have given a shit about it, as well they shouldn't have- at best it would have been a National Enquirer level story. As such, it probably sank into the memory holes of all involved. I am guessing that when Jeb Bush was running against Trump in the primaries, Billy Bush told his cousin about the conversation, and probably remembered that it was likely recorded, too. Again, since it wasn't used, one can speculate that they were unable to acquire the footage and audio from whoever had it. Without the recording, the hearsay accusation from Bush would have been worthless. Whoever they dealt with at NBC, however, did find it and I believe they gave it to the Clinton campaign, or at least asked them what to do with it. That is why it was held until Friday.
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Trump is back in this. Remarkable!
Each of the questions has had smuggled assumptions in them that, when I hear, I am clued in that these people may not be declared one party or the other -- but they are not undecided/swayable voters.
HRC hits the demos. DJT hits the demons.
Close, but not the same.
There she goes again. Government as charity. Doing you and everyone else a favor with your tax dollars.
How does Clinton have a prepared statement that circles back to the first question this beautifully?
Going to be hard for CNN to spin this for Hillary. Everything she says is about dividing us.
Now bullying is up because of the trump affect. Amazing.
Blogger PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
HRC hits the demos. DJT hits the demons.
Close, but not the same."
Indeed not the same. He hits the truths and she hits the gimme dats.
I don't care how many times Trump says "pussy," Clinton is abhorrent.
Bullying is up?!
Bullying?
How about threats to drone-assassinate journalists? Are those up?
If Trump's apology about things he said 10+ years ago doesn't cut it, Clinton's apology about things she said this year doesn't cut it either.
"Trump campaign source says Willey, Broaddrick and Jones will be in the spin room afterward."
Will there be photo ops with Bill?
Anderson does a follow up to "Deplorables"!
What planet is she living on where the Trump people are inciting violence? It's the left-wing thugs from her party who were beating up Trump supporters! What a liar she is!
Trump said: "She said irreedeemable."
Cooper says: "She just said SOME!"
Why does he feel the need to defend her?
She has hatred in her heart.
Exactly.
What planet is she living on where the Trump people are inciting violence?
Maybe (((some folks))) get nervous about many of DJT's supporters.
"Tweeting is a modern day form of communication."
... Uh... is Trump, somehow, the modern character?
This is the FOURTH TIME we've asked about Trump's character tonight! Why are we wasting an hour of Hate Trump at the debate? He sucks! MOVE ON!
"What planet is she living on where the Trump people are inciting violence?"
Hillary learned a long time ago that there are no negative consequences for making shit up.
Trump's debate performance has been uneven but respectable. I don't see it winning over many educated woman voters, which is what he needs.
Is Anderson Cooper really saying that attending to your campaign, as with the job doing president, at 3 AM, is somehow undisciplined?
How does he get away with this insinuation? It can go either way. Working into the wee hours of the night doesn't make you undisciplined.
She's talking up Bill Clinton's economic record. Well, Obama hasn't had 3% growth in any of his eight years in office -- the first president EVER to have had such poor economic growth, and Hillary's prospective policies are unlikely to improve on that sorry record.
"Cooper says: "She just said SOME!""
HALF is more than SOME.
Citizen's United isn't about Dark Unaccountable Money.
R&B,
you do realize that he was talking about the twitter war against Ms Piggy that started at 3:20. Right?
Citizen's United isn't about Dark Unaccountable Money.
Don't worry, I'm CERTAIN that will be covered in the fact checks.
She can call a bunch of folks deplorable, etc etc and claim her issue is not with them. (moderators nod)
... Wait -- that's what Citizen's United said about large companies! It said that poor people can work together to do political speech!
I think he's actually coming out tying her in terms of effectiveness. She wants to make it personal, he can go back personally.
Like it or not, none of the other Republicans would have gone there. They needed Trump because Hillary would always make it personal, and sexist, and he's the only one willing to fight back on the same grounds. The others would have shuddered, as they always do with her.
Debate score so far...
Trump 10 Martha 6 Cooper 3 Clinton 0
So Hillary wants a court that is a progressive super-legislature. She wants to overturn Citizens United a ruling that allowed her crimes to be exposed.
Maybe (((some folks))) get nervous about many of DJT's supporters.
10/9/16, 9:22 PM
Have Trumper supporters beaten up any of them?
I've heard people beating up Trump supporters but not the reverse. You might have different information.
you do realize that he was talking about the twitter war against Ms Piggy that started at 3:20. Right?
Doesn't matter. Cooper's question referenced the time. Not the topic. He related discipline to not staying up and tweeting. I heard the question in its entirety. No hiccups on my line. No reference was made by the questioner to the topic. Just that he was up late tweeting.
"The others would have shuddered, as they always do with her."
Completely wrong. Anyone else would have been hammering and hammering and hammering and hammering change v status quo. But, HRC has him so diverted that he can't remember what he should be doing.
Did they finally attempt to cut Hillary off?
Well I'll be darned.
Wow, where did Mr. Kenneth Bone come from?
How are we on the third debate and we just now, at the last or so question, gotten to energy policy?
Did we really need to talk about Trump's Twitter meltdown?
Who's winning?
(Not watching, haven't read the posts here.)
Make her tell us what the "gun show loophole" is. It's a myth. Gun shows require background checks just like stores.
Mr. Bone will be featured on the Sartorialist next week.
"Who's winning?"
-- Anderson Cooper has landed some good hits.
Trump is a fool, but Hillary is a knave. A fool can surround himself with competent people. A knave will surround herself with other knaves.
@Roughcoat.
Trump.
Completely wrong. Anyone else would have been hammering and hammering and hammering and hammering change v status quo.
Not effectively. They would have been recycling the same Republican talking points I've heard for decades. No one cares about that. Trump's approach, rhetoric and ideological style are way more diverse. Other Republicans wouldn't have given a shit about what she and the DNC did to Sanders supporters. Or blacks. Or whatever. He does. Say what you will - he's not hemmed in by the GOP and that's exactly what they needed. She controls the DNC; there's no way someone controlled by the RNC could have made a dent in someone with that much power.
If he's illegally buying it, bring the charges.
Ideologically, this is a Democrat Party primary debate of the late 1960s.
Did Hillary Clinton just embrace Palin's all of the above policy?
Trump is winning. He is talking about a prosperous future where all Americans can take part in the country's greatness. He is talking about reversing 30 years of slow decline.
Clinton is losing. She is talking about maintaining the status quo.
R&B,
We can agree to disagree. DJT was planning to rest this argument on the 30 year thing, just like he did in the first debate. But, HRC came ready to blow that apart. Another R would have come armed w/ a new, powerful way of making the point.
Hmm, looking at the tired faces of the folks chosen to ask the questions made me ask myself "Didn't the United States outlaw torture?"
The coal miners...
The ones she bragged about preparing to "put out of work."
... "I respect his children."
Well, that's probably the assest answer we've gotten to one of these questions ever.
You don't get bonus points for respecting human beings who, by the nature of being a human, deserve respect.
Another R would have come armed w/ a new, powerful way of making the point.
Lol. Total nonsense.
Agree to disagree? Sure. But offer something more than "just words."
How come a black man like Bill Cosby gets publicly destroyed with rape allegations and a white man like Bill Clinton goes free? White privilege? Women's privilege? Democrat privilege?
She respects "his children?"
What a diss. A disrespectful dodge if ever I've heard one.
Bullshit she's tried to put it off the personal.
This campaign has been entirely about the personal destruction of someone no one much liked to start.
... Wait, Trump actually praises Clinton, Clinton goes "Bless his heart."
And for Trump, "not quitting," is actually a huge compliment.
Oh boy.."civility bullshit" moment from the audience dude.
"How come a black man like Bill Cosby gets publicly destroyed with rape allegations and a white man like Bill Clinton goes free? "
-- Bill Cosby was famous, Bill Clinton had power. That's the real difference, I think.
His answer was apt.
"Will you respect one another after the election?"
My answer: Why?
"But offer something more than "just words." "
That's all you. You're trying to pinch hit for DJT. How would you have DJT forcefully make the change v status quo argument if you knew that HRC would come ready to destroy the 30 year thing?
Blogger Rhythm and Balls said...
She respects "his children?"
--
It's a woman/vagina/vulva/hooha thing.
There's no way he ended up looking any worse than Bill did after all his peccadilloes.
Blogger Rhythm and Balls said...
She respects "his children?"
--
It's a woman/vagina/vulva/hooha thing.
Yeah, that's true. I forgot about that. And a dodge, too.
Well, if nothing else, I think Trump stemmed the bleeding. It was about as effective as he could do.
Blogger Matthew Sablan said...
"How come a black man like Bill Cosby gets publicly destroyed with rape allegations and a white man like Bill Clinton goes free? "
-- Bill Cosby was famous, Bill Clinton had power. That's the real difference, I think.
Bill was the 1st black president. Cosby went off the plantation re culture.
Ah, there's Humma waiting for her.
I mean Huma.
Trump snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, or snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, or jawed snatch from . . . wait, I'm overthinking this.
Matthew Sablan said...
If he's illegally buying it, bring the charges.
10/9/16, 9:32 PM"
Nothing has stopped the Obama-Democrat Administration from levying countervailing duties.
If no pussy grabbed victims come forward, they will need to be created.
Matthew Sablan,
Had power or has power? Bill Clinton gets away with it because he has the power.
How the hell does China dump illegal steel on us?
I can do without Me(OB)gyn Kelly post debate, but where else to go .......
If no pussy grabbed victims come forward, they will need to be created.
LOL. No shit. They criticized him for "not apologizing."
Apologizing to whom? Who complained that he did this to them?
No one.
Hard to watch. Trump seems to be unable to move, as a debater must, from specific facts to general claim and back again. Apparently his coaches stuffed his RAM with sound-bites and generic themes and turned him loose. He is so excited at the fat target pictures that keep appearing in his sights that he jerks the trigger or swings early. Some damage done but OMG what 6 months' training in forensics could have done. My sad conclusion is: he's an angry slob, what you see tonight is as good as it will ever get.
Does that mean he should never get the launch codes? I don't know. His weaknesses do NOT redeem her.
Maybe, as Scott Adams suggests, we should go for Johnson/Weld.
If Trump had given this performance at the first debate, he would be far in front right now. As it is, I think Rhythm and Balls has it right. He stemmed the bleeding, halted the slide. He still needs to make up the lost ground.
Paul Ryan is probably sweating a little.
I do have to say one thing, though. As much as I hate the DNC, the journos right now are talking about Trump stopping "the panic" among his party.
Panic?
WTF. What a bunch of cowards. They should have been defending him from the get-go. There was absolutely nothing to this accusation, whatsoever. A tape. A bunch of words. Nothing substantive.
Bill is a liability for Clinton. She gains from the perception that Bill's presidency was successful economically but she loses more because the two of them have so little credibility, thanks primarily to his lack of discipline.
walter said...
If no pussy grabbed victims come forward, they will need to be created."
And Trump will bring forth the Clinton victims again.
Carter and Obama could go after an opponent's sexual peccadilloes. The Clintons are another matter.
I do think that whoever was incharge of her make-up and wardrobe - and possibly her "vitamin shot" - this evening deserve medals.
Trump won
In answer to Althouse's original question, I think Trump succeeded.
"Are you expecting Trump to go big and wild or to play it straight and "normal"?"
EDH said...
I expect him to pick his moments, if he's smart.
Apologize for his words when questioned, pivot for the jugular on Hillary's war on women hypocrisy, and then move on to attack her on policy and ethical substance.
10/9/16, 8:00 PM
I thought his early performance here was bad..very clearly avoiding/rambling etc.
But I was honestly surprised he gathered it together as he did as it went on.
SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ! SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ! SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ! SPECIAL PROSECUTOR !
SHE'S GOING TO JAIL!
" What a bunch of cowards. They should have been defending him from the get-go."
To steal Drudge's line, they're pussy whipped.
Rhythm and Balls said...
Panic?
WTF. What a bunch of cowards. They should have been defending him from the get-go. There was absolutely nothing to this accusation, whatsoever. A tape. A bunch of words. Nothing substantive.
The "panic" was among the establishment hacks who are worried about their tenure in Congress. They will be dealt with by the voters, if not in '16, then in '18.
Look at how quickly Democrats jumped to defend Bill Clinton from every sexual accusation ever levied at him.
For as much as Republicans form a firewall in every other regard, their willingness to completely fold on this thing was very notable.
Hillary acted like Obama's grandma- a typical old white person.
Not so Trump, who was a pure statesman.
Sorry libs, but the demographics mean we are gonna be shelacking your ass this November.
How long until "Unknown" shows up with the Journolist talking points?
Trump won handily.
From everything I'm reading, Trump won this debate. I didn't see much so don't have an opinion.
If true and Trump won the debate, here is my theory.
Theory:
The Clinton Campaign thought the audio and subsequent politicians and media personalities on the right abandoning Trump would be the end of his campaign, so they didn't prepare for the debate tonight.
sane_voter said... [hush][hide comment]
How long until "Unknown" shows up with the Journolist talking points?
10/9/16, 9:56 PM
Excellent point.
Still watching CNN. Van Jones says his threat to investigate and/or jail was a new low.
How could he not go there? She totally got her goons to accuse him of sexual assault. She's about as guilty as sin of as many ordinary citizen jailable offenses as any government official.
Meaghan Kelly just demonstrated that she is a dumb bimbo. Kelley should tell us if she voted for Bill Clinton and if she was against his impeachment.
Trump missed a few opportunities to smash Hillary like stating the economy cratered in 08 thanks to the economic IED's planted by the Clinton Administration. Or go into detail about her graft.
Trump did himself a lot of good tonight. We'll see if others see it that way.
I give it fifteen minutes or less.
It was worth it to see that picture of Bill squirming that Drudge has up right now. Either way, whoever wins though, there is going to be a dot on the sexual predator map at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
R&B,
I still suspect this attack came from the GOPe.
Be interesting to hear Van Jones explain how what Hillary did was less of a crime than that NSA guy they just dragged off to jail this past week for taking classified stuff home with him.
What does Skeezy think?
Well unkle#55, show us your stuff!
You've got five minutes left, Hup! Hup! Hup!
Jon Ericson said...
How long until "Unknown" shows up with the Journolist talking points?"
If Trump had bombed, she would already be here with her witless taunts.
Cosby went off the plantation re culture.
Yes!
True, Hagar. The gossip is that the Bushes were behind it.
I'm not voting for him but Trump won the debate. (especially if you leave out the 1st half hour)
Hillary! said a lot of stuff that is just pure B.S., and Trump did not have the facts or speed to challenge her on them. He is not a good debater.
On the other hand, I see several commenters thinking he did well, so maybe it is just that I do not follow that muddled manner of his. Muddled to me anyway.
I could not, could not watch and now it's impossible to find out the result. No one seems very sure. I guess that Hillary did not win since then everyone would be sure. Trump didn't get destroyed because they'd be gloating. A draw? Trump put himself back on the map and now the "e"s (establishment) are baffled?
Maybe tomorrow I'll be strong enough to watch it on Youtube.
It must take more than fifteen minutes to do all that's required to give assholes like unkle#55 something to say.
I think Trump having that presser before the debate with Paula Jones and the other women and then bringing them in to the debate was a brilliant move. If he hadn't done that we would have listened to 90 minutes of attacks on Trump and his pussy talk. They couldn't go where they wanted to go with that, so they actually had to talk about other issues.
Hillary was playing defense much of the time.
It'll take at least a week to sort itself out.
This was a debate that was new low for debates by far; like nothing ever seen before, and it will take time for people to sort it out in their minds.
Drum roll... Here she comes...
The Bushes did it. Jeb was so pissy about how Don hurt his feelings. Didn't he go in front of an audience to talk about how Don hurt his feelings and was then ushered off the stage before he could finish his comments?
Ok so now that Jeb's floppy attempt to take vengeance on Trump failed, can we get on to a real campaign?
What's the matter with these journos BTW... saying that Trump's a third world dictator for jailing criminals? That's what happens in a law-abiding society. We're letting too many people go with too many pardons, political and otherwise, regardless of party. There have to be some standards, after all. No one thinks Hillary holds the law in high regard. No one.
"The gossip is that the Bushes were behind it."
Fuck that entire family. I am sorry now for ever defending them. They're just the GOP branch of the UniParty.
Saved by the Ball...
He didn't threaten to jail Clinton for vengeance. He made more than a competent case that her criminality, which so many people take very seriously, is being tolerated for political reasons.
Hagar said...This was a debate that was new low for debates..
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New low for "moderators"
@Hagar
Trump didn't need to answer all of her claims, that is a trap so he can't attack her. He answered the important ones and that is sufficient. That left him plenty of time to land solid blows on her credibility and judgement.
Also who gives a fuck about debate civility. Trump was actually very civil tonight.
That too. I quite whooped when Raddatz forgot herself and went to arguing with Trump!
I have got to say, this is the first debate since Nixon-Kennedy that I saw the opening and got so fascinated that I stuck with it to the bitter end!
As civil as he needed to be.
"The gossip is that the Bushes were behind it."
Fuck that entire family. I am sorry now for ever defending them. They're just the GOP branch of the UniParty.
And owned by the Saudis, lock, stock & barrel.
Tim Kaine was a totally uncivil jackass. Dems dont seem to mind that.
If the economy is a concern to a voter, I can't imagine them really thinking Hil would be a better steward. However, decades of ingrained/taught ignorance likely undermine that assumption.
If it's all "fair share" and free stuff..she's your man.
NBC seems a bit desperate:
"Fact Ceck:: Trump said Clinton "acid washed" her email server. She did not.
More #debate fact checks: (link: http://nbcnews.to/2c6w8lx) nbcnews.to/2c6w8lx"
BleachBit, acid wash, tomato, tomatto...
Tie dye..
The last debate should be moderated by the WWE a cage match
Trump took any hope they could pass Hillary off as a decent person off the table.
He also stuck a wedge between Hillary and the sanders supporters.
He also took on the moderators effectively.
Hillary accomplished nothing that I could determine. That may have been her goal.
If Trump were a skilled, well-prepared debater, Hillary would be a puddle of quivering goo right now. That's how bad she was. She did stay on her feet for the full 90 minutes--I'll give her that (although she frequently appeared to be short circuiting). There was nothing new of substance, but, really, did we expect there would be?
Odds that Trump brings up Monica Lewinsky in the third debate? I was wondering if he kept that one in his pocket this time for any other bimbo plays by the Hillary campaign in the next ten days.
There is a thing on FB(?) that a fly landed on Hillary!'s face and she did not notice it?
From afar I can't tell who has raped more women: Bill Cosby or Bill Clinton.
Hagar said...
There is a thing on FB(?) that a fly landed on Hillary!'s face and she did not notice it?
10/9/16, 10:37 PM
Flies are drawn to shit.
Trump did skillfully embarrass the moderators when he pointed out that Hillary had been talking for an extra minute and they didn't interrupt her like they did him. After that they seemed to get on her when she exceeded her time.
I also have this fantasy of him withdrawing during the debate...
So you've said. Why in the world would he or should he withdraw?
April, are you happy now? Mike Pence is.
I also have this fantasy of him withdrawing during the debate...
So you've said. Why in the world would he or should he withdraw?
You know, the withdrawal method, risky and exciting
Hagar said...
There is a thing on FB(?) that a fly landed on Hillary!'s face and she did not notice it?
Yes, it landed very briefly on her forehead. Botox has a numbing effect.
sane_voter said...
Odds that Trump brings up Monica Lewinsky in the third debate? I was wondering if he kept that one in his pocket this time for any other bimbo plays by the Hillary campaign in the next ten days.
10/9/16, 10:36 PM
Lewinsky is old news. The Kathy Shelton case is, IMO, much more damaging to Hillary's phony reputation as a protector of women. BTW, I just heard that Trump could not seat those women in the front row at the debate. The organizers didn't want Bill and Hill to have to look at them.
https://twitter.com/kathyshelton_/status/785263037720752128
sane_voter said...
Odds that Trump brings up Monica Lewinsky in the third debate?
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Nah..Lewinski was a willing participant...and she's not rallying with the others.
I was pleased that Trump admitted to disagreeing with some of Pence's foreign policy statements made last week. First, because I believe Trump is right and Pence wrong Second, because there was no hesitation in his answer nor any attempt to blur the distinction.
Trump said if elected he'd put his opponent in prison.
How excellent is that?!!!
The last question really could've used Ann's "bullshit call for civility" tag. Why do people think asking debaters to say something nice about their opponent will produce anything but insincere, mawkish bullshit?
NBC seems a bit desperate: "Fact Ceck:: Trump said Clinton "acid washed" her email server.
They do not seem to realize that they do not help Hillary when they do this. Trump knows that Hillary did not dunk her servers into a bucket of Clorox.
I watched only part of the debate. The feeling I get from the parts that I watched is that Trump clearly won the debate but of course that may be due to my bias. I’ve got it all recorded for possible reference.
I see from the post ops that Trump got into it with the moderators. I assume the moderators were blatantly unfair and believe it was probably a good tactic for Trump to ensure that it did not go unnoticed.
The camera had to follow Trump as he paced around in the split screen format. That movement detracted from Hillary’s more static presentation. In the theatre it’s called “scene-stealing.” And apparently Trump stood throughout while Hillary sometimes took to a chair when she wasn’t speaking. That contrast can only be good for Trump.
The polls next week will settle the question. On the polls – I don’t trust them but they are what we have until that final poll – the election.
It’s not the pollsters’ fault; it’s that Trump is such an unusual candidate, attracting first-time voters, and the continual MSM anti-Trump barrage has made it uncomfortable to openly support Trump.
There’s no Trump decal on my Toyota for the same reason there’s no NRA decal, and for the same reason I do not open-carry: I have no desire to become the target of righteously crazed lefties.
So I always tack on 3 or 4 points to Trump’s numbers in my own calculations. Maybe the only other gauge is Trump’s huge rallies against Hillary’s anemically attended appearances.
my many lib Facebook folks are very quiet on this debate...
walter said...
my many lib Facebook folks are very quiet on this debate...
10/9/16, 10:58 PM
The lack of leftist trolls in this thread is very telling.
Though I didn't see much (Packers won, BTW), I did see Hillary's reponse to Trump's calling her out for deleting 30,000 emails. But I turned over 30,000 more, she bragged. Incredible.
No shit..I gave you half!
Who buys that?
Peons should be satisfied with half the story.
Fox fact checked Hillary's statement that she was gone as SOS when Obama made his Syrian "Red Line" policy and speech. She lied.
I thought that she was SoS then. She was SoS from, what, 09~13? The red line I think was issued in 2012, but I think it wasn't broken until later?
There is a thing on FB(?) that a fly landed on Hillary!'s face and she did not notice it?
She's a Westworld host. Althouse was right about the use of "short-circuit."
Been watching more cable post ops. Favorite narrative:
The debate is unimportant, signifies nothing and will be soon forgotten. What will not be forgotten(and will be run over and over by the MSM) is the Access Hollywood tape.
That means that our man Trump won the debate.
Per EDH Trump said if elected he'd put his opponent in prison.
How excellent is that?!!!
I thought she paled momentarily at that statement.
Trump's team should have put mics (and a press feed box) in front of the "alleged" Clinton victims for their statements.
Amateur shit like that gives press an excuse to not record or play it.
Most interesting post debate moments:
Tiffany pulling away from dad's attempt to kiss her
Growing love for Ken bone in the red sweater
Trump campaign manager answer about staying with the campaign...unless....
wow..really bringing it.
I received my HRC-for-jail bobble head in the mail yesterday. When I ordered it (by following a link from a con in these threads) I thought it was funny.
After hearing DJT (hopefully jokingly?) saying he'd put her in jail, it doesn't seem as funny.
Anywho, it was also a downer to see that it was made in China.
Spent some time watching the CNN "fact checkers". Holy cow; Trump was false when he said Hillary had her emails deleted while they were under Congressional subpoena and Hillary was true when she said the FBI determined that her server wasn't hacked.
Alternate reality TV.
OM,
Stay away from fact checking. Never leave the bubble.
I don't need fact checking on those points. I just wanted to see the shit they were shoveling.
CNN actually said that Platte River accidentally deleted the emails after they were subpoenaed.
"Because you'd be in jail"
That about sums it up.
BTW,
DJT is hitting Twitter as harder than I've seen because he needs dough.
All of you folks who want to see justice (as you see it) for HRC should immediately go to the DJT website and give as much as you can.
Hurry!
Next few days will be interesting. Next polls will only reflect Billy Bush tape and Trump will tank. Then debate polls will come out (the professional ones) and will basically reflect the preferences of those asked. Then Trump will go ballistic for a week. Then news.
I thought Trump was the clear winner. The pundits are in the process of trying to convince the American public otherwise. Perhaps they'll succeed. They're much more persuasive than Hillary.......They're inviting any woman who had ever dated Trump to come forward and claim that he groped her.........I don't think Trump will win the election. Salacious scandals seem to have more top spin than email scandals. That shouldn't be, but that's the way it works.
"After hearing DJT (hopefully jokingly?) saying he'd put her in jail, it doesn't seem as funny."
I had a TS/SC Clearance while I was in the army. If I did what Hillary did I would be in jail for multiple life sentences.
It is not a joke. If you place any value in equal justice under the law and the rule of law in general you must want Hillary to go to jail. You want to let her off because she is wealthy and powerful. You are a disgusting human being.
Berner FB dude with Trump as Hitler profile pic is posting about climate change and female armpit hair...
female armpit hair...
Trump is definitely against that
Blogger PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
BTW,
DJT is hitting Twitter as harder than I've seen because he needs dough.
All of you folks who want to see justice (as you see it) for HRC should immediately go to the DJT website and give as much as you can.
Hurry!
I haven't donated to anyone since 2008. I told the wife tonight that if he did well in this debate, we'd donate, because then he'd still be in this.
Time to put my money where my mouth is.
Female (or male) genital hair:
Discuss.
Female (or male) genital hair:
Discuss.
Peter's (ironweightsironrails) not around much anymore.
I'm not fond of the ones cut to look like dollar signs...
"After hearing DJT (hopefully jokingly?) saying he'd put her in jail, it doesn't seem as funny."
Why is that? He can't just toss her in the pokey. There would have to be an investigation and a trial. As Achilles said, do you think she should be above the law?
I recall that Hill had no problem with that film maker going to jail for a year for making a film she falsely blamed for the Benghazi fiasco.
"Anywho, it was also a downer to see that it was made in China."
I can get you one made in the states for a cool $199.
But no depths remain unexplored at the Althouse blog.
click, click.
"There would have to be an investigation"
Golly, why didn't anyone think to have an investigation until today.
PBandJ_Ombudsman said...
I received my HRC-for-jail bobble head in the mail yesterday. When I ordered it (by following a link from a con in these threads) I thought it was funny.
That was my link. I don't consider myself to be a con, either the conservative kind or the kind that Hillary deserves to be. (I posted it because someone made a reference to a Hillary bobblehead. Maybe a joke? I don't really remember. Anyway, I had seen the one that Trump had for sale and thought it was funny so I linked to it.)
"Golly, why didn't anyone think to have an investigation until today"
I think he meant an honest one.
"I can get you one made in the states for a cool $199."
Mine was something like $39, incl shipping.
And, it is fairly good size. Also, the box sorta looks like a jail cell with bricks printed as the background and an open side where you can see HRC in a blister pack. One side lists the criminal charges. Presumably this could be evidence in a DJT kangaroo investigation, rather than the Comey model we have today.
" kangaroo investigation, rather than the Comey model we have today. "
Please explain the difference.
Special prosecutor and a grand jury, indict Comey too.
"I can get you one made in the states for a cool $199."
Mine was something like $39, incl shipping.
And thus my point about shit like that being made in China is made.
Until 5 seconds ago I hadn't taken HRC out of the box.
I have to admit it's pretty cool.
Feels weighty. Good wobble/bobble action. The ball & chain on her ankle is a nice touch.
FBI = Fake Bureau of Investigation or OBW, Obama's Bukake Whores.
I don't know how this will play out, but Trump probably took the only path open to himself tonight. At least Cooper opened the subject for him, though one could argue Trump forced the issue with the pre-debate press conference.
I think it will really come down to this question- outside of Clinton's strongest supporters in the electorate, how many of them really believe the Clinton campaign isn't coordinating all of these revelations of the bawdy sex talk? If you can see through that charade, Trump's counterattacks might work for him. However, if they think the Clinton campaign has nothing to do with it, it won't.
Also, there is probably another shoe to drop- Cooper made the point of asking Trump directly if he had ever been accused of sexually assaulting a woman. Whether he has or not, I think the Clinton team will find someone who will step forward. Anita Hill did it once, so I would not be surprised to find it happening later this week, like Friday afternoon again.
She's actually quite thin.
And, the face looks younger than reality.
Nice smile too.
She has a pearl choker and her prisoner number is HC2016.
It's sorta endearing.
BTW, I meant thin compared to reality. Not compared to DJT 10s
One interesting thing is that NBC sat on that tape for 11 years, all the while paying that horrible, despicable man $$$$ for The Apprentice.
Do people even think of that?
What the fuck is the problem between observing that
Certain Women go for a notch on their??? dildo? (don't know).
and the rest of the women shake their heads.
True, it does open that door. He will just have to fight it out if and when any crap is drummed up. Perhaps the child rape calumny will have taken off by then. I do hope there is more ammunition to be fired at her, though. Pleasant to see the bullets bounce off him. <--not referring to actual violence
Stay the course, people. It ain't over till it's over.
Oh, and Professor:
Booya!
Better fantasize instead about President Trump crawling into bed with you, the odds are better than him quitting. Meade will understand.
Naw, she's on her way out.
Legacy, legacy, legacy.
Too late!
"...Also, there is probably another shoe to drop- Cooper made the point of asking Trump directly if he had ever been accused of sexually assaulting a woman. Whether he has or not, I think the Clinton team will find someone who will step forward. Anita Hill did it once, so I would not be surprised to find it happening later this week, like Friday afternoon again."
Yes, Cooper pushed that a little to hard. They have something cooked up and ready to serve.
Sorry that teaching constitutional law won't have any effect on the future of so-called Law.
EMD,
I have been thinking about Billy Bush's role in all of this. At the time the recording was made, Trump wasn't a politician and no one at NBC would have given a shit about it, as well they shouldn't have- at best it would have been a National Enquirer level story. As such, it probably sank into the memory holes of all involved. I am guessing that when Jeb Bush was running against Trump in the primaries, Billy Bush told his cousin about the conversation, and probably remembered that it was likely recorded, too. Again, since it wasn't used, one can speculate that they were unable to acquire the footage and audio from whoever had it. Without the recording, the hearsay accusation from Bush would have been worthless. Whoever they dealt with at NBC, however, did find it and I believe they gave it to the Clinton campaign, or at least asked them what to do with it. That is why it was held until Friday.
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