That's so obtuse, in so many ways. Let's count:
1. "50 Shades of Grey"? Hadn't seen that talked about in a while. (Wait. There is this.)
2. Boasting of committing what sounds like criminal sexual assault is not the mere saying of words. The size of the outrage isn't about the words as bad words, but the words as evidence of actions allegedly taken.
3. The outrage isn't limited to women. Men, too, are outraged.
4. Many people — women and men — are fine with using the words "fuck" and "pussy" in private conversation.
5. The words "fuck" and "pussy" can be used in sentences that express contempt and disregard for other human beings, and the outrage against Trump's words has to do with what the words express in the sentences actually spoken. Many excellent sentences can be made using those words — sentences that can be received with favor by women who hate what Trump said.
6. People read novels and see movies about all sorts of things, including horrible things. Stories about murder and torture and all kinds of physical and psychological abuse are very popular. The effect is titillating, but that doesn't mean people want these things actually to happen to them.
7. You may love a particular character in a story, because he's interesting and exciting and transgressive, but that doesn't mean you want him to be President. I love the movie "My Dinner with Andre," but Andre Gregory would be a terrible President. Last night, I watched the movie "Willard." Willard is a fascinating character. Watching him bond with rats, train them, gather them into suitcases and carry them into the office to unleash havoc was fascinating... oh, watch out, pussy!...
... but Willard would not make a good candidate for President. Neither would Hannibal Lecter.
8. It would be interesting to see those rats overrun the White House... in a movie. But not in real life!
9. Fantasy time is over. Put down the novel. Turn off the movie. Face the grim reality of picking a suitable President.
10. I said it 2 years ago: I'm for boring. I mean for President. I'm not talking about novels and movies and sexual fantasies.
11. "OK. Yes, we are bored. We're all bored now..."
"... but has it ever occurred to you... that the process that creates this boredom that we see in the world now may very well be a self-perpetuating, unconscious form of brainwashing, created by a world totalitarian government based on money, and that all of this is much more dangerous than one thinks, and it's not just a question of individual survival... but that somebody who's bored is asleep, and somebody who's asleep will not say no?"
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I suspect Billy Bush and the Bush family is the source of the Trump tape.
"It would be interesting to see those rats overrun the White House"
It's already happened. Back in the 90s. You supported letting the rats continue their residence. And not because they weren't rats.
Where is the quote in which Trump admitted to sexual assault?
Now you can hold your head high and vote for Hillary. Feminist sanctimony. And at the same time you can adhere to the double standar of ignoring Hillary's protection of Bill's behavior, and pretend it's based on some intellectual moral high ground. Probably time to put a Hillary sign in your Madison and share the pride.
Cigars for everyone!
I have no patience for this sort of thing or Trump (though I will vote against Hillary). The thing is, if you don't realize that all high power, alpha males used to talk like this when they were alone, you never spent any time around them. It's an obvious outlet for a male in power which some may resist, but most?
Donald's real error was thinking he wouldn't get caught. Why do you think all those other power hungry billionaires don't run for president? They're smart enough to know better.
We're going crazy, our country is going crazy. In a sane world this would be a big nothing. The elites are totally corrupt.
It wouldn't be boring to deal with Americans' interests at heart instead of the interests of the other side of the table.
You'd get a deal when both sides come out ahead, instead of everything a charity work with pol payoffs.
Abstract and focus. That's how you deal with large systems.
Some people are taking Trump's words literally.
Some are taking Trump's words figuratively.
Personal wiring leads to which group someone identifies with.
All the crosstalk is someone trying to plug an American appliance into a European outlet.
The toaster just ain't gonna toast.
Leaving both sides holding untoasted bread.
But people have prepared exquisite word marmalades and jams to go on their expected toast.
How the toast would prove the exquisite nature of their marmalades and jams.
If only there was toast.
Since there is no toast people are using the marmalade and jams, anyway.
Spread away.
I am Laslo.
You have to be pretty fucking stupid, or intellectually dishonest to the point of psychopathy to listen to that tape and come up with "boasting of what sounds like criminal sexual assault."
Granting all you say about how objectionable Trump's behavior is, how is a vote for Hillary an effective protest against such behavior?
"The thing is, if you don't realize that all high power, alpha males used to talk like this when they were alone, you never spent any time around them."
How am I supposed to spend time around people when they are alone?
Whether criminal sexual assault is a big deal depends on what's being called a criminal sexual assault today.
Rape went down the tubes long ago.
Is this criminal sexual assault criminal sexual assault, or just criminal sexual assault, where the woman's interest is protected as always by the conventions of the situation.
It's not a Bill Clinton style assault.
The hysterical reaction is over the word pussy, in fact, in this case. How Trump talked about women. It shows disrespect, meaning disrespect to the feminist narrative.
Stop with the sexual assault lie. He's talking about what the women willingly want men to do. It's just sex, right? Althouse, the Puritan!
How am I supposed to spend time around people when they are alone?
Smile, bat your eyes.
Suppose you wanted to protest biased reporting, pay for play schemes and inept, self righteous foreign policies, who would you vote for?
Loretta: "Bill? What are you doing here on the tarmac? How did you find me? How did you get past my security detail and to the plane door? You wouldn't have done this to Condi ..."
Bill C: "I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it,”
Unknown: "Whoa"
Bill C: "I did try and f--- her. She was married. And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out plane shopping. She wanted to get a plane. I said, 'I'll show you where they have some nice planes.'"
Bill C: "I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look ... never Trump.
Loretta: "Bill, what are you talking about? And don't believe the rumors ... she and W never married. He stayed with Laura."
At that point in the audio, Bill C and Loretta appear to notice the American people waiting to be x-rayed, patted down and escorted through airport security in the 120 degree Phoenix heat.
Loretta: "Your people are hot as s---, waiting in the line,"
Bill C: "Whoa! Whoa!"
Bill C: "I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing them. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."
Loretta: "Whatever you want."
Bill C: "Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything."
Loretta: "What are you really saying?"
Bill C: "I'm just saying that's how you get grand kids Loretta. It's all about the grand kids ... Remember that Loretta, and you will go far under Hillary."
Interpretation of his words as a description of assault is absurd. He was very clearly describing what women let him do.
It is rough, crude, coarse, gross, and objectifying but there is no way to interpret it as nonconsensual.
The feigned righteous indignation is one thing, but the pretend shock at all of this is another.
Who new women dropped their drawers for famous guys? Who knew famous dudes didn't take advantage of it?
John F Kennedy didn't. Either did his brother Bobby. Neither did Bill Clinton. But Trump did. And he enjoyed it!
Somehow intellectual liberals can tell the rest of us the difference between a statesman and a candidate who is just a perversion and a fantasy.
Vote for Hillary and the further erosion of the middle class in America. Sell it all to the elites for cheap labor. Create another migrant crises. Start a war with Russia. At least you'll know you've cast your vote and let everyone know you don't condone private potty mouths.
2. Boasting of committing what sounds like criminal sexual assault is not the mere saying of words. The size of the outrage isn't about the words as bad words, but the words as evidence of actions allegedly taken.
3. The outrage isn't limited to women. Men, too, are outraged.
this is the most deliberately obtuse thing I've seen all year. Althouse pretends she does not understand flirting and consent, and makes believe men are actually outraged. They're not.
She is going to vote for the most corrupt, criminal, incompetent candidate in our lifetimes.
Trump will respond by increasing personal attacks on Clinton, but the outcome is likely to drive voters to Johnson/Weld, not the GOP.
Stories like the one below if they get the attention that a Trump barrage can give them, will seriously damage Clinton:
Is the Clinton Campaign deliberately overcharging small donors?
Observer reporter Liz Crokin spoke to a Wells Fargo employee who works in the fraud department.
"We get up to a hundred calls a day from Hillary's low-income supporters complaining about multiple unauthorized charges," the employee, who asked to remain anonymous, told Crokin. The source added that they had not received any calls about the Trump campaign and donations.
The source said this has been going on since the spring, and that the campaign stops after it has taken a little less than $100 from a one-time donor.
"We don't investigate fraudulent charges unless they are over $100," the source said. "The Clinton campaign knows this, that's why we don't see any charges over the $100 amount, they'll stop the charges just below $100. We'll see her campaign overcharge donors by $20, $40 or $60 but never more than $100."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-clinton-c...
Everything Obama said about Hillary in 2008 is true, and most Democrats know it. She corrupts everything she is involved in. Her clueless blind ambition will destroy the Democratic Party for a generation.
Johnson/Weld can surge past 34% in enough states to win as the two most disliked candidates in US History slime each other.
"I suspect Billy Bush and the Bush family is the source of the Trump tape."
-- I don't see how he'd have access to them. Simplest is easiest. The people who owned the tape have been digging for anything anti-Trump and found it. Expect every media that he's ever been on to be doing the same.
Althouse is the person Dennis Prager is talking about when he says you have to have an advanced degree to be so stupid. It's not lack of intelligence, it's lack of wisdom.
"Donald's real error was thinking he wouldn't get caught."
-- At the time, he wasn't as public a figure. There was no reason to think anyone would care what notorious playboy Trump said -- and frankly, no one is all that surprised at what he said.
"We get up to a hundred calls a day from Hillary's low-income supporters complaining about multiple unauthorized charges," the employee, who asked to remain anonymous, told Crokin. The source added that they had not received any calls about the Trump campaign and donations.
Evil corporate Amazon by mistake failed to log that they shipped a DVD and shipped it again. I got charged only once, for the first. There's some failsafe double charge preventer.
What Trump and Bill Clinton did with their dicks is most important issue facing America today.
It is exactly why we need a President who only wishes she had a dick.
"this is the most deliberately obtuse thing I've seen all year. Althouse pretends she does not understand flirting and consent, and makes believe men are actually outraged. They're not."
Its a big collective lie by the corrupt elites.
Althouse is the person Dennis Prager is talking about when he says you have to have an advanced degree to be so stupid. It's not lack of intelligence, it's lack of wisdom.
Sexual violation is her thing. The solution is like Vicki Hearne's rule for dealing with a husband who likes boats: keep him away from water.
Anything aimed at the masses is vulgar.
In this case feminist outrage.
"What Trump and Bill Clinton did with their dicks is most important issue facing America today."
Bill Clinton raped women, he wouldn't take no for an answer whereas Trump admitted to being rejected and compensated by bragging about his overall success with women. There is a big difference in Trump and Clinton, Clinton's behavior was far worse.
The weird thing about feminism is that it takes men as role models.
Watching Ann wax poetic about this is awesome. It is a window into the vapidity of the Clinton supporters female mind. Nothing Trump said was violent or against the law. When she said no he backed off.
Meanwhile:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/09/breitbart-news-exclusive-video-interview-bill-clinton-accuser-juanita-broaddrick-breaks-describing-brutal-rapes/
Bill Clinton brutally raped a woman. Hillary sent thugs after her and slutshamed her.
We see through the bullshit. You are full of it.
Ryan: The only thing I really care about is that... ...aside from the married thing and the jail thing... ...is the boat thing.
Hanks: What boat thing?
Ryan: I could never be with someone who had a boat.
Hanks: I have a boat.
Ryan: Oh.
Habks: Which clinches it. We'll never be together.
The corrupt elites don't realize that they're revealing their rotten core. They continue to expose themselves, totally corrupt. Rotten to the core!
It takes a while to get past the media/DNC hysteria on this. I won't defend Trump's words as I wouldn't use them myself. But I know I've said many things in private settings that could be used against me in public, particularly in our politically correct world.
When I step back and seek perspective, I think back to the many things I've heard otherwsie decent people say in private and particularly in locker rooms and fraternity houses. Then I think of the actions and reputed statements of JFK, LBJ and WJC.
Trump has admitted his error, taken personal responsibility and issued an apology. I'm ready to move on. And I think most Americans without an axe to grind are ready to move on as well.
Access Hollywood owned the tape, since it was their show, and Billy Bush may even have got his own copy of it, since he was on it.
Ann, when you read "alpha males when they are alone" did you think alone meant solitary? That's the only way your question makes sense. Because obviously from groups you can hear reports, as have been relayed to you here. And you can hear recordings, as you have done in this case. You're the one brought up "obtuse".
Watching Ann write this absolute thumb-sucking stupid shite while accusing other people of being "obtuse" = lulz.
It does seem that forcible rape by the rich and handsome is forgiveable, but publicly disclosing crude language describing what some women will allow an alpha male to do to them is not.
Or perhaps it is just whether you are running for office as a Democrat or as a Republican?
Hey, Trump has put up the obligatory passive aggressive politician's apology.
If he gets asked about it in the debates, he should say, "As my opponent did for her actions that left America's secrets unsecure and endangered our human intelligence in hostile lands, I have apologized for my actions. I assume, just as you have done with her, that this is the end of the discussion."
Thank you, Ann, for articulating a lot of the ideas that are percolating in my head as well as yours, apparently. I want to join you in "I'm for boring." I have always wanted my politicians to be workhorses, not show horses. I think Paul Ryan is the perfect example of a "boring" politician. So was Eric Cantor. Marco Rubio has the potential to be a boring politician. Jeb was boring. I want more boring politicians in my life. I don't want Trump's drama. I dont' want Hillary's drama, either, for that matter, but she has a boring streak he'll never possess. I'm counting on her to be boring for our country.
At some point you will realize that your beloved "My Dinner with Andre'" is not the touchstone for western civilization. Pardon
Blogger Jason said...
"Watching Ann write this absolute thumb-sucking stupid shite while accusing other people of being "obtuse" = lulz."
We are obtuse for thinking women who vote for Hillary are in any way rational or intelligent or give any of this any level of coherent thought.
"Many excellent sentences can be made using those words — sentences that can be received with favor by women who hate what Trump said." And what about all the men who hate what Trump said? Althouse, you are so full of shit. You fucking pussy.
"I dont' want Hillary's drama, either, for that matter, but she has a boring streak he'll never possess. I'm counting on her to be boring for our country."
Bullshit. You want the government to take my stuff and give it to you. You don't mind if bill assaults a few volunteers or if Hillary makes a few million selling influence. You also don't mind the end of the rule of law.
It is going to be temporary. You will miss the rule of law more than I will.
I still don't see how the woman who has tied up the FBI for over a year, destroyed government records, illegally communicated with the president on a secret server about things we'll never be able to know about despite FOIA because she destroyed many of those communications illegally, is surrounded by people like Weiner and her husband, and stage manages questions from minors can be considered "boring."
2. Boasting of committing what sounds like criminal sexual assault is not the mere saying of words. The size of the outrage isn't about the words as bad words, but the words as evidence of actions allegedly taken.
This seems like a huge leap. I find it hard to believe that Donald Trump thinks he committed a criminal sexual assault, considering he is relaying the story and laughing about it. I find it hard to believe the person who heard the story thought it was a case of sexual assault considering he was laughing along as he heard the story. And also it is important to recognize the fact that the woman he is talking about has not come forward to accuse Trump of sexual assault, despite having ten plus years to do so. Also, one important statement of the story is that he says that because he is a star women agree to activity that is much more forward than normal. Plus, another point of the story is that even though he ultimately wanted to have sex with her, he didn't. He stopped.
So what is in favor of reading into the story that it is really talking about sexual assault? Trump never describes her verbally consenting to the specific activity. As a guy who has heard his fair share of sex stories. None of which I thought in any way described a case of sexual assault, I've never heard one that inclduded the guy saying "And then I asked her if she wanted me to do..." "and then she nodded and said yes". Even if a statement like this did occur, it would seem odd to include in a raunchy story about the event.
The woman whose foundation has been shown to make deals with Russia to influence policy dealing with uranium? Super boring.
Hillary Clinton, known for lying to the country and imprisoning a man for a video that her secret, hidden emails show she knew wasn't responsible as a political tactic to cover the administration's foreign policy weaknesses? So drole.
It concerns me as anything that concerns a friend might concern a friend, to paraphrase Fenimore Cooper.
Donald Trump has bad character. We knew that going in. This tape is not much of a surprise.
What bugs me is all the "all men talk like this" shit. No, we don't. Shut your mouth.
Which part of "let you do" denies consent?
I buy u
"What bugs me is all the "all men talk like this" shit. No, we don't. Shut your mouth."
#NotAllMen
Seriously though, I just let that defense of what Trump said slide by me without comment or really thinking about it.
But, it is a very good point. Not every man talks like that. Could you imagine Romney walking around talking like that? What about Obama? For all the policy disagreements I have with him, I can't imagine him talking like Donald Trump.
You have to be pretty fucking stupid, or intellectually dishonest to the point of psychopathy to listen to that tape and come up with "boasting of what sounds like criminal sexual assault."
Not at all. You only need be a woman sheltered her entire life in tenured academia in liberal Madison, Wisconsin.
Matthew Sablan
Impossible for Obama to talk like that with his friends in sports because black men do not use that kind of language.
"Face the grim reality of picking a suitable President."
That ship has sailed.
Face the grim reality of picking Trump or Hillary.
Don't be too hard on those who rationalize Trump's words in order to consider him suitable unless you're prepared to be just as hard on those who rationalize Hillary's actions for the same reason.
There is evidence that both Trump and Clinton probably had sex with underage girls while either on Epstein's island or plane. The evidence suggests that this probably happened more times with Clinton than Trump, but Trump's likely participation is why this line has not been pushed hard by the Trump camp (the Epstein stuff is mutually destructive).
I think they are all sickos and none deserve to hold high office. But if its not fatal for the Clintons to engage/support this behavior (and please don't argue that Hillary knew not what Bill did, including the prior likely rapes - she willingly sacrificed the women abused by Bill as the price to be paid for riding his coattails to the top) then why is is for Trump?
The good news is, upon retiring, Professor Althouse will be liberating herself from a life lived before captive audiences of much younger people dependent upon her approval for their expensively purchased livelihoods.
I hope Trump mockingly wiggles his shoulders every time that cunt HRC does her phony "shimmy" tonight.
William @8:16: Granting all you say about how objectionable Trump's behavior is, how is a vote for Hillary an effective protest against such behavior?
Best comment I've read all weekend.
Agree with Bob Ellison. the vast majority of men do not talk like this. The vast majority of men also do not have sex with underage girls, rape women, sleep with interns several decades younger, etc. The vast majority of women do not tacitly support such behavior in their husbands as the price that is obviously worth paying to obtain wealth and power.
These are unusually horrible people all around.
I am holding out for Althouse's cruelly neutral takedown of all of Titus' comments in which men were objectified.
Tits.
No, neither Romney nor Obama will "talk like that," but I most certainly can imagine the Kennedy males and their friends and associates "talking like that," and WaPo and the NYT, etc. being well aware of it, but being very careful to make sure it does not become public knowledge.
It is the faux outrage on purely "us vs. them" political grounds that I want to point out.
From Instapundit:
JACK HELLNER: Trump’s Dirty Talk vs. Hillary’s Corruption. It’s no surprise that the political class is less offended by the corruption:
In the past week:
– Justice drops the case against a gunrunner from Hillary’s Libya fiasco whose testimony would certainly have harmed Obama and Hillary.
– Evidence surfaced that the White House participated in the cover-up of Hillary’s violation of national security laws with her private server even though they said they absolutely knew nothing about the server and would not interfere with an investigation.
– We have learned more this week about how the investigation of Hillary by the Justice Department and FBI was a pure sham as they gave immunity to so many, took so much stuff off limits, and even carried out the destruction of evidence. The email investigation was pretend, just like the IRS investigation and any supposed investigation of the Clinton Foundation. It is clear that the White House, Justice Department, State Department, and IRS are working specifically to protect Obama and Hillary instead of working for the American people.
– Aleppo and Syria are deteriorating rapidly despite Obama and Kerry being extremely tough and telling Russia and Assad to stop it.
– Obama partially blamed the Civil War in Syria on a drought he says was caused by humans. That is one of the most ignorant statements ever. The war is because Assad is a tyrant, and the Mideast is essentially a desert that has had continued droughts for millennia.
– An NBC News man topped Obama’s stupidity by saying the worthless Paris climate agreement would stop hurricanes.
– Obamacare is collapsing rapidly. The multiple lies to pass the law are more obvious every day. The law is greatly harming the middle class and small employers and reducing the potential for full-time jobs.
– An NSA contractor who committed the same crime as Hillary by keeping classified documents at home on several nonsecure devices is under arrest. Why isn’t Hillary?
The media, of course, don’t focus on any of these things. Instead they trot out a tape of Trump talking dirty about women eleven years ago.
Well, a ban on dirty-talking doesn’t threaten the whole feedlot. A ban on corruption and incompetence would put them all out of business. . . .
Permalink • 8:00 am by Glenn Reynolds
Is there any way they can both lose? They are both disgusting. Clinton is worse.
Obama and Romney are pussies -- of course they don't talk like that. Sadly, they remain pussies.
"Is there any way they can both lose?"
-- Well, we could convince a whole lot of people to vote Johnson or Stein. Though did either get on enough ballots to actually win?
What everyone was thinking of but could not cite...
From Chapter 12 of The Godfather, by Mario Puzo:
...He was ready now. He put his drink down on the long inlaid cocktail table and turned his body toward her. He was very sure, very deliberate, and yet tender. There was nothing sly or lecherously lascivious in his caresses. He kissed her on the lips while his hands rose to her breasts. His hand fell to her warm thighs, the skin so silky to his touch. Her returning kiss was warm but not passionate and he preferred it that way right now. He hated girls who turned on all of a sudden as if their bodies were motors galvanized into erotic pumpings by the touching of a hairy switch.
Then he did something he always did, something that had never yet failed to arouse him. Delicately and as lightly as it was possible to do so and still feel something, he brushed the tip of his middle finger deep down between her thighs. Some girls never even felt that initial move toward lovemaking. Some were distracted by it, not sure it was a physical touch because at the same time he always kissed them deeply on the mouth. Still others seemed to suck in his finger or gobble it up with a pelvic thrust. And of course before he became famous, some girls had slapped his face. It was his whole technique and usually it served him well enough.
Sharon’s reaction was unusual. She accepted it all, the touch, the kiss, then shifted her mouth off his, shifted her body ever so slightly back along the couch and picked up her drink. It was a cool but definite refusal. It happened sometimes. Rarely; but it happened. Johnny picked up his drink and lit a cigarette.
"What bugs me is all the "all men talk like this" shit. No, we don't. Shut your mouth."
Yeah. I am not outraged over this tape, but this claim that "all men talk like this" is simply false.
I wonder if Bill Clinton used the words fuck or pussy while he was getting blow jobs from his intern? We should ask.
The truth is, professor, that this overreaction ultimately reflects on you. You've accepted far worse than this. You are not an honest broker.
Blogger Hagar said...
I suspect Billy Bush and the Bush family is the source of the Trump tape.
10/9/16, 7:58 AM
This seems possible, would be dreadful, why not use it in the primary? If the Bushes prefer to hand the election to the Clintons then I prefer that the Bushes are all massacred. That would mean the country is just a plaything to them to be smashed when it no longer amuses them.
@Althouse, first of all do you see the straight line, the connections, from your foolish vote in 2008 to Trump's candidacy today? It would be good if you could think before you vote this time.
Secondly, we've had rude, crude presidents before. Within your lifetime and mine we had JFK boinking Marilyn Monroe and a gangster's moll (among others), LBJ forcing his attentions on female reporters, and Dick Nixon's crude language (go read the transcripts of his tapes), not to mention Bill Clinton boinking interns and assaulting Kathleen Willey. Today we have Barack Obama flipping off people in public and VP Joe Biden skinny dipping in front of female Secret Service agents.
Does any of that bother you? Or are you only bothered when the mainstream media make a fuss about something? Perhaps it's in your nature to give a pass to Democrat politicians and hold Republicans to a higher standard? You can forget all about that, ma'am. This time the Republicans have put up someone who will get right down in the mud with your beloved Democrats. Don't like it? Go get a time machine and tell yourself to vote for McCain, or to contribute the limit to Romney.
"No, neither Romney nor Obama will "talk like that," but I most certainly can imagine the Kennedy males and their friends and associates "talking like that," and WaPo and the NYT, etc. being well aware of it, but being very careful to make sure it does not become public knowledge."
Well, there is this.
http://politopinion.com/2016/10/caught-obama-pussy-bill-clinton/
I posted this yesterday on another site, don't know from whence it came but it kind of reflects my feelings now that the stupid of this campaign has been dialed up to eleventy...
I need to register a complaint.
TO: TPTB
From: An American Citizen
Gentlemen;
It has come to my attention that you are holding a quadrennial election for President of the United States. As a concerned citizen I must protest this insane reality show you have replaced my normally scheduled election with. this is unacceptable.
Currently our economy is in sad shape, more people out of work than ever recorded. You all seem determined, despite the wishes of our citizens, to "Fire the electorate and import another" since we are unwilling to go along with your globalization schemes that enrich you at the expense of the many.
The treasury is printing money like there is no tomorrow and cannot stop or the game of Musical Chairs for Financial Ruin will crash the economy of the entire world.
Drug use among the unemployed/permanent underclass has skyrocketed as hope has evaporated, and the response from the DEA is to reduce the stocks of painkillers by 25% and attack the medical profession for prescribing them. The Heroin Cartel thanks you profusely.
The Middle East, always a thorny area of the world considering everyone who lives there hates all their neighbors. has been turned into a bloodbath. Our current leadership has made a bad situation much worse. Their warriors will come here to kill us. Count on it.
Our current leadership appears to be trying to start a war with Russia. As a child in the 1960's I still remember when we were in a cold war with Russia, and we respected the power of a nuclear weapon to rain death down on our cities. Has this possibility been completely forgotten or are our leaders simply so arrogant or careless that they accept that amount of devastation as something our nation can 'absorb' like a terror attack?
Lastly, I believe you and your friends are responsible for this pervasive attempt to silence any opposition to your schemes with Political Correctness. That is simply evil. The damage you are doing to an entire generation of young Americans will be with us for decades, and may well lead to the dissolution of our nation. If that begins no one can predict where it will end.
Therefore, I am as of this day withdrawing my consent as a member of 'The Governed.' I will pay my taxes as one coerced at the point of a gun. I will obey such laws as I deem legal and just. I will resist with all legal means absolutely every thing that you propose or subscribe to, whether a good idea or not because it is inevitably the fruit of a poisoned tree. No amount of persuasion will ever make me believe in anything you stand for ever again.
Sincerely,
An American Citizen.
Looks like Obama is reading a quote from something, and Snopes agrees. I've quoted people saying things I'd never say, so I don't really see a problem with that.
"I think Paul Ryan is the perfect example of a "boring" politician."
Ryan is a good reason why we have Trump. Ryan was in a position to stop much of Obama's lawless behavior merely by returning to "Regular Order"in the House. That would have meant 12 Appropriations bills debated and passed. Obama would have had to veto 12 bills to shut down government. There were ways to use the rules we have followed for 200 years to oppose the wreckage of representative government by this leftist insurgency.
Harry Reid used the "Continuing Resolution" to avoid requiring his Democrat Senators to make unpopular votes.
Why did Ryan continue this practice when it worked against his party ?
I know it takes a modicum of Civics knowledge to understand this. Ryan knows. Why did he do it ?
"Boring" indeed.
Most disgusting aspect about the Trump hot-mic sound grab? All those GOP politicos self-righteously denouncing and distancing themselves from Trump.
There is exactly 100% chance that EVERY ONE of those swinging dicks has at some time made equally or more gross, disrespectful comments.
This is precisely the hypocritical lying that defines Hillary.
You know what's disgusting? The items on the list Bad Lieutenant posted at 9:32 were not discussed on MTP this morning. They have not been discussed by Althouse. Everything has been about Trump's vulgarity. We are not a serious people. No wonder the country is in such dire straights.
The outrage isn't limited to women. Men, too, are outraged.
I think just about everyone is faking the "outrage" - how much did their pulses increase? Virtue signaling doesn't raise the pulse much.
This teapot tempest brings to mind kindergarten kids, and some teacher's-pet girl saying "Teacher, Donnie said a bad word!" and then smirking in satisfaction.
Blogger Original Mike said...
"What bugs me is all the "all men talk like this" shit. No, we don't. Shut your mouth."
Yeah. I am not outraged over this tape, but this claim that "all men talk like this" is simply false.
10/9/16, 9:40 AM
98% of men masturbate, 2% of men lie. Admittedly I would not speak so crudely, but I have more words than Trump. If he were more refined in his language, would there be this squirming? The alpha male phenomenon of loosening knees is remarkable and discussable-many women are overawed by star power, riches, etc.
Is that the source of Ann's animus? This secret must be kept under the lid at all costs? We shouldn't know just what a slut she and her sisters potentially are? Sugar, the secret is out. #NotAllWomen but obviously lots of them. You hate Trump because of what this says about you.
I think a stampede of voters would be thrilled to vote for Pence/Carson.
Hillary and that rude guy are so.... old and corrupt.
Original Mike said... We are not a serious people. No wonder the country is in such dire straights.
A sociopathic traitor working with her pre-corrupted DOJ/FBI(&IRS) is a pretty swell choice as long as she doesn't say any naughty words.
The campaign against Trump includes the allegation that he "raped" some 13 year old girl on an Epstein "Lolita Express incident.
This story appears to be a hoax even as Dan Abrams sister, a judge in New York, granted credibility to the "case."
This has Clinton fingerprints all over it. As does the 11 year old tape. At least it does seem to be Trump on the tape. The "rape" allegation appears to be a hoax pushed by Clinton staffers and supporters.
Blogger Michael K said..."Ryan is a good reason why we have Trump. Ryan was in a position to stop much of Obama's lawless behavior merely by returning to "Regular Order"in the House."
I thought he tried but wasn't able to coral his own cacus. This, apparently, was the plan going forward.
Ann, is this a blogging death wish? Did "splooge stooges" not do the job for you entirely? Are you trying to totally destroy the blog?
The Facebook thing lost me at "so outraged."
"... Boasting of committing what sounds like criminal sexual assault is not the mere saying of words. The size of the outrage isn't about the words as bad words, but the words as evidence of actions allegedly taken..."
I am reminded of "Give 'em the old razzle dazzle" from "Chicago" as Professor Althouse attempts to provide her reasoning (again, Scott Adams) for voting for Hillary. Without her prejudice, her statement stands reason on its head. As evidence of actions actually taken, his words provide evidence of his innocence!
I am reminded of storied white Southern juries considering the guilt of blacks on trial. I am reminded of Democrats playing on the frustrations of female voters to get them to mark a ballot as a VOTE FOR WOMEN! Sad.
Professor Althouse, in this case, the words establish his innocence of the crime of sexual assault. You wish to convict him for his thoughts, as you project them. Ah yes, criminal thoughts - thought crimes - safe spaces - trigger statements...we get it.
Reposting from the previous thread.
This is getting absurd. The actual information coming out about Crooked Hillary and the Dems just gets worse and worse, while the press and the elites first concentrate on Trump's illegally obtained 20 year old tax return, and then some potty mouth braggago. While this has been going on, we have found out that:
- FBI investigation into email just looks worse and worse. FBI did deals with coconspiritors (e.g. chief of staff Cheryl Mills), letting them be illegally act and be treated as Clinton's attorneys, shielding their talks back when both were on the federal payroll.. And, instead of just seizing their laptops, as the FBI usually does, they agree to destroy them after a desultory search.
- The emails on the server were deleted after they had been subpoenaed by Congress and the federal courts by order of Clinton atty.
- DNC spreadsheet showing political contributions to major dems in one column, name of contributor in another, and TARP funds received in a third.
- emails showing illegal ccordination between Clinton campaign and Sorros organizations
- scandal going state wide in swing state of Dems registering dead people to vote
- 2nd debate in a row where moderator openly helped Dem over Rep.
- No interest whatsoever about what was in Crooked's ear the last two times that the two candidates met.
- TV show caught giving Clinton questions before she went on the air. Evidence that the network putting on one of those two times they met gave her people the questions in advance too.
- Her health appears to continue to decline. Spending a week resting up for the debate this week. She doesn't have to bother campaigning, since she has the MSM to do it for her.
- both the reset with Russia and regime change in Syria are falling apart before our eyes this week.
- More that I have probably forgotten.
Trump started hitting back last night with a retweat of tweats by Juanita Broderick, reminding us that Crooked's husband raped her. So, I expect another of these October surprises to be picked up by the MSM this week to keep the ball rolling, and our eyes off of Clinton.
Blogger Fernandinande replied to Althouse's claim that "The outrage isn't limited to women. Men, too, are outraged."
with:
"I think just about everyone is faking the "outrage"
I think the Oscar goes to the Democrat woman I saw in TV yesterday who broke down in tears.
Any Democrat who didn't call for Clinton's resignation in 1998 should sit this one out.
Wait, we are voting, come 8 November, for sainthood for someone? I didn't realize. As Lord Acton tells us "Great men are almost always bad men." I remember we did pick a Saint for President in 1976 (Carter), and in 1928 (Hoover), and in, God Help us, 1912 (Wilson). It doesn't always work out. The question we face is who is most likely to (1) take away more of our civil rights, (2) crash the economy and (3) start one more war. On 1 and 3 I would say Mrs Clinton, based on her record and what she says. On 2 it may be a toss-up.
Thank you for this opportunity to vent.
Regards — Cliff
Love this, especially the last. Way, way, back someone told me I reminded them of Andre. I hadn't seen the film and even after I had, I wasn't sure I liked the comparison. Seeing this clip, I embrace my Andre fully. Shawn is fear incarnate. Fear that I see in a vast number of those heavily invested in this election on either side. It is itself a fantasy really, like Willard. I say to all - and I see a lot of it even here in these comments - go see Willard. Stop wasting your emotions on Trump and Hillary. Boring.
Why did Ryan continue this practice when it worked against his party ?
I know it takes a modicum of Civics knowledge to understand this. Ryan knows. Why did he do it ?
Paul Ryan and all the other establishment republicans have Stockholm syndrome. They have been in and around democrats in congress, the administration, various government agencies, and the national media so much that they look on them as benevolent captors. They immediately give credence to whatever narrative the democrats put out there. Whenever something 'bad' comes out about a republican, the establishment republicans initial instinct is to buy into the democrat's narrative and play defense, usually by distancing themselves from accused republican and joining in by chanting "Shame!".
Democrats almost never do this. Democrats almost always circle the wagon. And when asked about their colleagues malfeasance they always change the subject or paint it as a naked republican political attack. Now it helps that they have a largely complicit national media working for them but republicans need to emulate the democrats in this fashion. This is why so many in the republican party disliked the establishment.
I think it was Ted Cruz in one of the debates who recounted why the base was upset, and he described the Republicans saying "just get us the house and then we can do something." And then the voters turned out and got republicans the house but they did nothing. Then they said, "Just get us the Senate and then we can do something." And then the voters turned out and gave them the Senate and still nothing happened. The establishment Republicans look like weak, feckless pushovers to the base. And the establishment is surprised that the base chose a strong man like Donald Trump?
Ann - Crooked Hillary is only boring because the MSM refuses to cover anything concerning her, her health, her corruption, her failures i foreign policy, her support of Obamacare that is exploding, Dem party corruption, etc. We even found heard last week how she planned to gut the 2nd Amdt through executive action and regulations. All hidden and ignored, so that you can be induced to freak out about something that Trump said in in private, locker room conversation 11 years ago. Just like they concentrated on Romney's dog on the roof and bullying in prep school, while ignoring Obamacare, Benghazi, and the horrid economic recovery.
Was there outrage when that one woman said she would fellate Bill Clinton during the impeachment? Was she disrespecting all women?
Will Althouse condemn Titus?
Many people — women and men — are fine with using the words "fuck" and "pussy" in private conversation.
I’m in total agreement. I want to read further:
Stories about murder and torture and all kinds of physical and psychological abuse are very popular. The effect is titillating, but that doesn't mean people want these things actually to happen to them.
The statement above is one of the best defenses of Trump that I’ve seen. It requires a working imagination and the ability to intellectually connect some fairly obvious dots but yes, Trump may talk about sexual harassment but that doesn’t mean he wants to actually grab pussies. Thanks, Ms. Althouse.
How is it that when, as a candidate for President, Mr. Trump said that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and people would still vote for him, nobody claimed that he had admitted to homicide,; but when, in what he thought was a private conversation 11 years ago, he said that women would let celebrities grab them by the pussy, that's supposed to be an admission of sexual assault?
The common sense reading of both statements is that they were hyperbole, right? Let's check for some context: is Donald Trump someone known to use hyperbole on a regular basis?
Public corruption combined with incompetence is not acceptable just because it is boring. Richard Daley would have been a boring president, and seemed competent.
I guess Althouse would view Boss Tweed as a better candidate than Trump, too.
Lamar Gonna Set You Straight....
You White People are SO fucked up when it comes to sex talk. Us Blacks, we keep it real -- check out Jay-Z:
Business guys you were victimised.
Have 'em payin rent on condos in a Miami High Rise.
They ask her, "Who pussy's this?"
Look her right in her eyes.
She say, "This pussy's yours, Daddy"
Tell 'em nothin but lies.
Ha! They didn't believe it, but they wanted to.
Needed to. She had the type of body that you didn't want leavin you.
Check out Ice Cube:
Tried it again and I failed to grasp
I missed that pussy and I bust my ass
and
I gots to get mo' money mo' money
Can't get pussy with no money
We know how this shit goes down, and yet White People pretend they're all offended and shit: bitches get the vapors, you feel me? Notice they don't give a shit that Black People say these things, because these condescending fucks think we just don't know any better...
What they're telling me is that they only get upset about other White People saying shit, because it's all about the Whites: come on and call ME out, bitches. Tell ME, a proud Black Man, that I'm vulgar. Tell ME I ain't treating women right. That's right: you gonna keep your White Mouth quiet, aren't you? You all scared to go THERE...
You think you got Problems? Fuck You.
I am Laslo.
It's important to continue to be able to distinguish what is the real world and what is merely a morality play about the real world:
Trump Support Drops Just One Point After Video
If the map is not the terrain, a soap opera about the map that's not the terrain is certainly not the terrain.
But all the outrage remains informative, nonetheless, telling us in no uncertain terms that those who would not be voting for Trump will now not be voting for Trump with the fury of a thousand white hot suns laced through with a delicate curdle of repulsion.
Trump cannot afford any drops. He needs to be climbing up, because he was already losing ground to the corrupt Clinton Machine.
Ann - this is a side of powerful men that professional women rarely see. And that is because it would be considered sexual harassment. As a guy dealing with more powerful men, i have heard it plenty over the years, esp after i started practicing law. No doubt, most of the male lawyers in your old law firm have too, and some probably engaged in it. Probably not the female attys though, because the guys there are probably too smart to allow it in their presence. It is a male dominance displaylay, pure and simple.
And, yes, wealth and power are like a super aphrodisiac for a lot of women. If you don't see it, i suspect it is because you are too cerebral. The stories are legion in DC, and, yes, in Vegas where my partner grew up. She grew up in an environment where guys expected women to want to have sex with them, merely because they were somewhat famous. And many did. Plenty of good looking women willing to jump into bed with merely a snap of the fingers (or, we found with Kobe Bryant in Vail, just bent over the chair). Just the way the world works.
Michael said...
Matthew Sablan
Impossible for Obama to talk like that with his friends in sports because black men do not use that kind of language.
10/9/16, 9:18 AM
you're using a racial stereotype to suggest that somebody else uses this language. but you're doing it to defend someone who actually has used this language.
Just wait, the Master Media Manipulator will turn this around and make fools of all of them! You can't get to the Jedi! You'll see. He'll drag out some war heros and just wait! He's not a politician, you know. He's way ahead of all those pussy, cuckhold, establishment Republicans, too. He'll be grabbing them by the pussy come January, you'll see! And, they will like it, too! Immigration! Trade!
Trump is a vulgar braggart. Hillary has done much, much worse.
You might wish for a "boring" president, but the next 4 years will be anything but boring. America's enemies are gleeful about what a complete joke this country has become and will surely take advantage of our internal divisions - made much worse under Obama - our corrupt ruling class and our ridiculous obsession with trivial bullshit. Living in a safe, largely white and highly smug college town in flyover country will not insulate you from what is coming.
Congrats, Ann, on being manipulated so successfully by the media. They pull the puppet strings and you jump in exactly the direction they want you to jump. That's one thing -the only thing -they're really, really good at.
"Trump Support Drops Just One Point After Video"
It would be so healthy for us as a people if that holds. For all of the vapors the press are putting on, for the people to say, "We need to talk about OUR problems" would really be heartening. We'll see.
AprilApple said...
"Is there any way they can both lose? They are both disgusting. Clinton is worse."
Well, darlin'. Yer just gonna hafta cowgirl up and choose.
I just saw a video, Adriane Zuker: Soap Talk 2005 where she admits she flirted with Donald Trump and talks about how "cute" and "charming" he was. The hostess agrees. The stupid bitch apparently doesn't realize that she was the victim of a criminal sexual assault. Either that or somebody else is the stupid bitch here.
The choices are Hillary or Trump. You don't have to like either one but you need to decide which is preferable. Trump's potty mouth is still preferable to Hillary's corruption.
"Character doesn't matter." - Bill Clinton
Maybe to beat this to death a bit, but imagine how boring it would be if the party labels were reversed, and the Democrat had engaged in a male dominance display using locker room vocabulary, and the Republlican had been fought out lying to the FBI, destroying evidence, part of a massive Administration wide cover up, the public policy actions of the candidate had blown up, causing massive death, a runaway immigration problem, that the party was caught actively violating campaign laws, registering dead voters, and taking campaign contribution bribes to lard out tax payer money to those contributors. Would you think it boring then? It would be wall to wall scandal. Screeching about corruption. But, of course, the party tags are reversed, and the Clinton/Dem scandals are ignored, which is why they are so boring - you don't hear about them in the MSM.
"I think the Oscar goes to the Democrat woman I saw in TV yesterday who broke down in tears."
Oh, for Chrissake.
You know what I'd like to see Trump do? Bring that woman who was so brutally raped as a 12 year old that she couldn't have children to the debate. The woman whose rapist was defended by Hillary, who laughed about the case afterwards. Trump should point her out in the audience and say "I've apologized for my remarks. Hillary, will you apologize to this woman for slandering her in court and laughing because you got her rapist off with a light sentence?"
Now there's a woman who has reason to cry.
Have Hillary face one of her victims.
It's nauseating to have Althouse and the santimonous liberal Sisterhood wave the banner of Women's Rights in order to defend a female candidate who has shown time and again she will viciously destroy women and men who stand in the way of her ambitions.
As I law professor, I would expect you to have a better grasp of the words/actions distinction. Trump isn't confessing to anything, he's being an ass in a private conversation.
I'm happy to have a real discussion about how to make sense of this scandal, but you need to get honest first.
vicari valdez
You should get out more.
Laslo
I commend to you the language and rhyming skills of the incomparable 2Chainz:
I've been getting money, where the fuck you been? (Hold up)
I've been getting money, where the fuck you been? (Turn up)
I've been getting money, where the fuck you been? (Yeah)
I've been getting money, where the fuck you been? (I told her)
Bought a new crib just to fuck you in (I told her)
Bought a new crib just to fuck you in (I told her)
Bought a new crib just to fuck you in (tell 'em)
I've been getting to the money, where the fuck you been?
[Verse 2: 2 Chainz]
Gucci hat (Gucci hat), Gucci belt
If you wrote a autobiography you'd have to sue yourself
You lying ass, codeine in my wine glass
I know you had a wild past, I ain't fucked you in a while with your wild ass
I get high and I fly past, I don't know nothing 'bout iChat
I work in this iPhone they need an app called iTrap
I trap, shining like a night night lamp
I just hit my girlfriend and asked her where her wife at (tell 'em)
White cup, white hat, laying on a white couch (Tru)
Got that presidential and a residential white house
Nigga saying "who?" (who) like a white owl
You can see me shinin' (shinin') with the light out
"Many people — women and men — are fine with using the words "fuck" and "pussy" in private conversation."
What's your point? Trump said this in private conversation. He did not say it in public and would not say it in public.
Instead, we blame him when it was Billy Bush who released the video. No one says anything about that, at least is you want to remain a card-carrying media member.
AprilApple said...
Trump cannot afford any drops. He needs to be climbing up, because he was already losing ground to the corrupt Clinton Machine.
10/9/16, 10:30 AM
Point is it could be worse. The people are not losing their shit over this like the elites are. Stay the course. Read my Instapundit quote above and remember what is important.
Maybe we should go back to the Edwards-Duke race in LA those years back:
Vote for the bigmouth, it's important!
--Of course, AA, you may prefer you and yours to die in a nuclear fire because Democrats have gutted the military but will keep ineptly poking at Putin with no thought as to consequences and no appreciation of reality of the correlation of forces.
Blogger J2 said...At some point you will realize that your beloved "My Dinner with Andre'" is not the touchstone for western civilization.
Also worth realizing--Andre is a self-obsessed asshole. The movie is subtle on that point--much subtler than the diner scene in Six Easy Pieces--but it's similar as a character test for the viewer.
Who's assaulting whom? We are talking about groupies.
If Trump screws up tonight, he should bow out. Our only hope against the Corrupt Clintons is for Trump to gracefully bow out and let Pence/Carson win it. Democrat media elite and hollywood would lose their minds over it.
Trump is man trying politics.
Hillary is a political machine trying a woman.
Bad Lieutenant said
"Of course, AA, you may prefer you and yours to die in a nuclear fire because Democrats have gutted the military but will keep ineptly poking at Putin with no thought as to consequences and no appreciation of reality of the correlation of forces."
Yeah, I love the magical thinking displayed by Althouse here. Electing a "boring" president (not exactly the word I would use for the Clinton Crime Cartel)will result in boring, peaceful times. And she accuses others of living in a fantasy world?
Hillary will usher in an era of peaceful boredom just like Obama brought us racial healing.
The prof fell for that crock of horseshit back in 2008.
I can vote for him, but I refuse to worship the guy. I don't do worship politics. Know when you are losing - give up on your ego, and get out. Art of the deal - right?
If Trump loved America, he would get out. Especially if he crashes and burns tonight.
If he can prove himself and beat the crap out of the leftwing media and the Corrupt South American Big Bank Donor She-Chavez, then I will re-think.
All the “OMG! heresy!” from the Trump blind-faithers is a real turn off.
Trump should hammer her on the recent revelation that she agrees with the idea of cutting Social Security. After all, Trump had no trouble accusing his former GOP rivals of the same. With Hillary - it's actually true.
But the base of it is Scott McNealy's "you have zero privacy, get used to it." I think people born before a certain time have to get grandfathered out of that. Can't enable this diddling people to death with ticky-tacky fouls.
Trump has to be forgiven this and elected in spite of it, else no one who has not bleachbitted their lives is ever going to be able to do this. I don't want to live in the grasp of the status quo. The lords of ticky tacky must be overthrown, whatever the cost.
After Romney being ticky-tacky fouled, no one could possibly think that Trump, or any other candidate on Earth, would be 100 times cleaner than Romney. I'm sure no president in the past hundred years or so was cleaner than Romney. So the tactic is not to play the game. The tactic is to not play the game, to stop the game from being played. Trump wins or it's all over.
It's really that simple. Everyone who has said s*** or f*** on Blogger is dead. Google will not protect our anonymity past the point where it suits them. There will be some accident no doubt but Laslo, Jon Ericson, or me or anybody who presents even a theoretical threat to the regime can be data mined, identified, isolated, frozen and destroyed per Alinsky rules, which are kind of like Hama rules for American politics.
All you people - I'm not going to insult you; I'm not going to call you prissy and things like that. You apparently have a high or rather I should say a low tolerance for superficial improprieties of a candid nature. I hope you have a high tolerance for what Hillary is going to give you because it's coming if she wins. She will have no reason to be reasonable. Full steam ahead, doubling down, all of it, for as long as she and hers can keep spinning.
But p'raps it won't be long because I repeat that the malicious incompetence of the present clique will soon lead us to real disaster such as no one here is seriously imagining.
If that's what you want, you know how to get it. If you don't want that, you have exactly one choice. Sorry, please vote Trump. Hillary is never sorry for anything. Why should she be? No one has made her sorry. Now's your chance. Make her sorry.
"If Trump screws up tonight, he should bow out."
Won't happen. Fantasy thinking all over.
Trump is man trying politics.
Hillary is a political machine trying a woman.
Agree 100%.
Hillary Clinton, In Paid Speeches To Wall Street, Promoted Commission That Pushed Social Security Cuts
Blogger Bill Peschel said...... we blame him when it was Billy Bush who released the video.
10/9/16, 10:52 AM
Is this known for sure?
The real fantasy is the inability to see he is losing.
How badly do you have to suck to be losing to Hillary Clinton?
"2. Boasting of committing what sounds like criminal sexual assault is not the mere saying of words. The size of the outrage isn't about the words as bad words, but the words as evidence of actions allegedly taken."
Was he actually boasting about committing criminal sexual assault? If he was -- I'd be right there with you... but that's not what I hear at all. Not even close.
I hear an exaggerated hypothetical to emphasize (very crudely) his point. (It's a rhetorical flourish he's known for.)
It's a crude point -- one you might well object to on its own -- made in an embarrassingly crude and ridiculously unpresidential way. The statement is bad enough on its own. Why the pretense that it's something more?
For the *Clinton Campaign* and their surrogates, the why is obvious. Everyone who hears their claim will either (1) believe it, which hurts Trump, or (2) go look up the actual words and spend more time absorbing the image of Trump saying crude things crudely, which hurts Trump. The lie help's Clinton whether it's believed or not.
What I find harder to understand is why so many people seem to believe the blatant misrepresentation of a statement they can read for themselves.
April, I agree he has much heavier artillery than scandal tit-for-tat. Hope he can get it out.
Althouse is trolling again. There's no way she's this stupid or easily manipulated, is there? Surely, she's being deliberately obtuse in order to spark conversation. It's really getting tiresome, though.
Bad Lieutenant said...
April, I agree he has much heavier artillery than scandal tit-for-tat"
He certainly does, but the media would rather focus on sex scandals. Ideally, Trump should hit back hard - just once - on that score and then pivot to actual issues. My fear is that he's not adept enough to do that, especially since the moderators will be in Hill's corner.
Right. And what has "boring" done for the country, lately? You actually think that "boring" is steering the ship of state properly? It's an auto-pilot with no self-correcting mechanism that is economically hollowing us out. Living in Madison, don't people make this evident to you? Even despite living in a cushy professor's neighborhood? You think the "justice" they cry about is an abstraction, with all these people living on the street?
How do you sleep at night? Have you ever volunteered, worked in a soup kitchen, got a view into the lives lived by people much poorer than yourself?
Economic privilege must be very boring.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Trump, like Hitler, is a symptom. Not the disease. Staying the course ensures that there will be many more Trumps down the line, much worse than before. And trust me, it will not get any more boring next time, either.
Just vote for stasis and stagnation and the establishment and let's see where it gets you.
The reason that I mentioned Ann's old law firm was that she worked for one of the top, most prestigious, law firms in the country. What are called "white shoe" law firms. (For any who think that she is a legal slouch - she isn't - these are 1% firms, recruiting mostly from the top 1% of LS grads nation wide). Which means that their senior partners are probably into seven figures, and their clientele is mainly Fortune 50 and billionaires. A lot who likely talk just like Trump. And dealing with that sort of client every day, some of the attys probably do the same.
Why is sex and sex talk tied so closely into male dominance? I think it is because the main purpose of power and wealth for males is for breeding opportunities, and those go to the dominant males, because they have the superior gene ethics. Or at least that is how many/most females emotionally think. We aren't, of course, alone there. The male bighorn sheep colliding so loudly this time of year a dozen miles east of us in MT are vying for breeding opportunities. The turkeys fanning their tails are doing the same. One's place in the male hierarchy determines to a great extent how often we can breed, and, in particular, the number and quality of the females that we can breed with. Best way of showing this dominance is to snap your fingers, and have a beautiful woman respond by willingly bed you. Or, by being willing to. When you cant do that, because there aren't any women present, then you can brag about it.
Trump's problem here is that he wasnt a politician then, so didn't have the sort of personal constraints that politicians learn very quickly to utilize. The stories are rampant out of DC of politicians acting worse, or, like WJC, far worse. But most of it is when they are drunk in a safe setting (around Dem partisans willing to cover for them). Making things words, Trump has been rich and famous for a long time, engaged during much of that time in glamorous pursuits, with a lot of beautiful women hanging around him much of the time. We are talking the guy who owned Miss USA and Miss Universe. One of the, if not the, most recognizable billionaires in the country. If he had wanted to bed a different beautiful woman every night, he probably could have. A true super alpha male, who partially got where he is today by making a production of his male dominance displays. So, while we may look wistfully back at a rich avid church goer as a candidate, Trump's alpha male dominance displays are good part of how he got the nomination, and why the election is still close. Was what he said bad? Yes, but likely no worse than is heard every week in the conference rooms at Ann's old law firm.
AprilApple says: "... With Hillary - it's actually true."
How refreshing. Down old memory lane. I remember when we used actual truth. And actual legal reasoning. Sigh.
Boasting of committing what sounds like criminal sexual assault is not the mere saying of words. The size of the outrage isn't about the words as bad words, but the words as evidence of actions allegedly taken.
Let's understand the context of such a criminal sexual assault committed by a serial seducer such as Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, John Kennedy, Edward Kennedy, Warren Beatty and so forth.
The seducer flirts constantly with the young women who surround him. Some of the young women flirt back. The seducer escalates the flirting. The seducer has gone through many hundreds of such conversations. He is like a chess master who knows can deftly execute many openings and gambits. He is like a master salesman who knows all the customer objections and overcomes them persuasively.
As the seducer determines that he might be able to seduce the young woman, he gradually isolates her. His wingmen engage the young woman's girlfriends in conversations to prevent those girlfriends from inhibiting the young woman.
Gradually, the seducer isolates the young woman physically. He takes her alone to another bar. He takes her into his private office or his hotel room or his home.
There, he sits next to her on a couch. He puts his arm around her, hugs her, kisses her.
At some point of this gradual seduction, he might "grab her pussy".
That's the context of this criminal sexual assault.
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When Bill Clinton was a governor, he used state troopers as his wingmen. Gradually he had selected those troopers who responded positively when he talked about sex and about seducing women. Those particular troopers became his bodyguards, and they distracted bothersome girlfriends and sometimes managed to seduce those girlfriends.
Clinton used this method on Paula Jones -- just as he used it on countless other women who worked as government clerks, as nightclub singers, as restaurant waitresses and so forth. Many of these women were married to ordinary men who lacked Clinton's celebrity, success and charm.
Ted Kennedy used the method on a young woman, recently married, who worked on his Senate staff. Because of that seduction, his personal assistant Richard Burke rebelled and wrote the The Senator: My Ten Years With Ted Kennedy, which included this particular adultery story in the larger pattern of Kennedy's womanizing, alcoholism, vanity and vulgarity.
After Burke's book was published and became a famous, much-discussed, much-reviewed best-seller, Kennedy was elected to the Senate three more times before he died.
That's some context for this discussion about Trump's supposed "criminal sexual assault".
Thank you, Ann, for articulating a lot of the ideas that are percolating in my head as well as yours, apparently. I want to join you in "I'm for boring." I have always wanted my politicians to be workhorses, not show horses...
The correct word for people who will do anything for money is "workwhores."
Do you work on Wall Street? In finance, the professions, academia, venture capital or executive management?
What's that you say? Yes you do?
Unless you don't then I don't give a damn about your opinion.
Anything other than a tendentious reading of Trump's words in the Access Hollywood tape will show that Trump made a pass at the unnamed and married woman in past and was rebuffed. The rest of the quotes can't really be read as an admission of sexual assault since the underlying predicate, explicitly stated, is that it was consensual. You can try to assume he meant he had "grabbed the pussy" without consent (that would be sexual assault), but you are basically having to put actual words into his mouth at that point. However, even beyond this- reading this as a man who has heard similar stories from other men over the years, it is all but certain that the last part was an empty boast about what a woman let him get away with.
No, most men won't talk like this, but most men would and have been parties to conversations like this with men who do, and we generally don't condemn them for it at that moment, or even later on reflection. What I found most disturbing about the comments was that they came from a 60 year old man- the last time I heard such talk at such a crude linguistic level was from fraternity aged men. By the time men reach their 30s, they have found less crude ways to talk about sex and the women they would like to nail, as an example- I don't think I have heard a male older than 25 use the word pussy in this way, though I have certainly heard it from men older in the way it was used on Drudge for Ryan last night, and as a pejorative description of a coward.
All of this is surprising to hear from a woman who made the point about some taking Trump's speech too literally. What is missing here for me to take Althouse's point as important is a credible accusation of such actions. Maybe that is the next shoe to drop, but until it does, I can't really take any of what Trump is recorded as saying to be anything more than empty boasts of his sexual desirability.
"Was he actually boasting about committing criminal sexual assault? If he was -- I'd be right there with you... but that's not what I hear at all. Not even close.
The statement is bad enough on its own. Why the pretense that it's something more?"
So that she can use it as the pretense of "How Trump lost me.". Althouse prides herself on her support for free speech, so for this episode to be used as the hook for her swing to Hillary, she needs it to be more than words.
I think Althouse panicked unnecessarily. With a month to go, Trump is sure to provide a more legitimate reason for her inevitable declaration for Hillary.
A lot of men talk about hitting that and nailing that- I pretty much dismiss all such talk for the same reason I think most rap lyrics are fiction.
Now, Trump can be criticized for creating such a persona, but for me it is a minor issue since I believe most personae are artifices anyway. I believe none of us are the persons we project to others, and I give Trump a pass on this particular one because he hasn't spent most of his adulthood trying to be a politician, which is just a persona of another kind.
Hillary Clinton receives much secret information about Donald Trump's sex life. She receives tape recordings, private investigators' reports, media clippings, and miscellaneous allegations.
Sexless Hillary Clinton -- like sexless J. Edgar Hoover -- studies all this secret information resentfully, plotting to use it to punish the sexual sinners.
If money must be paid for tape recordings, then she knows wealthy Scientific Progressives who can and will provide millions of dollars secretly.
If Trump becomes President, he should ask the IRS to show him Billy Bush's income during the year 2016.
Michael said...
vicari valdez
You should get out more.
10/9/16, 10:51 AM
where should i go? why?
But why not in real life?
The desire for a government of a given emotional temperature seems more of an aesthetic preference than a practical one. A desire for a representative government at all also seems like a bit of trivial frippery under the circumstances.
You certainly dont have a representative government now, in any substantial sense.
I mentioned yesterday that Spain and Belgium have made do without a "government" for extended periods. This rather healthy situation is an artifact of multi-party parliamentary systems and is not possible in the US system. But it seems to me that the state of the public will in the US at this time could easily result in this if the structure of government just got out of the way.
History also is instructive. Much of the desire for this or that proves to be a matter of local fashion more than a substantial difference, based on actual results. And, of course, styles of government are more a consequence of underlying cultures than an independent cause. Governments are a consequence, not a cause.
Yeats rough beast, thats so given to slouching about, has shown up.
It isn't impossible that the Bushes are the ultimate source of this. Sure, Billy Bush probably didn't have a copy of the recording, but he almost certainly remembered the conversation, and that is all one would really need to track down the actual video and audio.
Exactly. Also there is no evidence that he himself did this. I gave the example of kids talking about a martial arts expert's ability to perform some impossible feat. Doesn't mean the kids themselves can, or ever did, knock someone over with a one-inch punch, or kill them with the five point exploding heart technique, or whatever. It is safely assumed hypothetical, or conditional, or BS, or whatever you like to say. Again, it was private conversational badinage, there was no attempt or need for clarity.
If Trump was describing say the exploits of Warren Beatty no one would doubt it. No one would doubt that when you're Warren Beatty, or Robert Plant or Genghis Khan, you can grab a woman by the pussy and she'll go along.
Meanwhile, back to the disproportionality. Trump is pretty clearly talking about people at his level with a reasonable degree of empowerment and status. Even if they didn't like it, no harm done, that is to say, no other harm done.
Clinton picked out shopgirls and office workers and had men with guns bring them to his hotel. And he didn't take no for an answer. If it was all Eleanor Mondale and Nina Burleigh, or if Clinton had run that game on *you*, at least it would not be such a case of punching down as it were - and I have to despise those who are not seeing or not appreciating the difference.
Wait ... in the course of my life as a normal guy I would say that men when they're hanging out with each other -- in, say, a locker room -- don't talk a lot about women and sex. They don't talk dirty about women, generally. Men who do that are seen as being kind of creepy. Men who talk obsessively about sex and use obscene slang terms for women's private parts in the course of conversation are the exception to the rule of men-talking-with-men because they are just plain creepy and weird. In any large group of men you may find that one guy who talks like this, and what happens is the other guys quietly listen to him and smile wanly and maybe laugh mildly at his jokes, but really they're mostly all wishing he would shut up. Sex talk by men to men makes heterosexual men uncomfortable for the same reason that full-on camera shots of the guy in a porn movie makes them uncomfortable.
Or maybe I'm just erroneously projecting my Midwestern white-guy middle class upbringing, morality, and experience on men everywhere. But if you are a Midwestern white middle class guy of a certain age then I think you will agree with my comments above.
"Where should I go? Why?"
A very intelligent question. Sits at the root of practical philosophy.
Most people dont think much on this. They simply do go, or not, and then rationalize their way tho "why".
"But if you are a Midwestern white middle class guy of a certain age then I think you will agree with my comments above."
I am and I do. I've been surprised at the number of commenters who have said "all men talk like that".
Mike and Roughcoat,
Really, you haven't been with a group of guys in a bar or a club when the conversation didn't turn to the semi-attractive waitress with the question/statements, "Would you hit that," or "I would/n't hit that if you paid me," etc.
I am a devoted multiculturalist.
I have seen all kinds of things.
Personally I think that, if all men dont talk like that, then those who do should be free to talk like that.
My own subculture, of Spanish mestizos in Asia, were known as the "cono boys", because of our fondness for the word. Cono of course is "cunt". We were shameless, loud, rude and crude, descendants of peasants and proud of it. To make something of it was an absurdity, because it was our essence, no less than the Chinese propensity for gambling or the Filipino to dissemble to avoid shame.
One of Russell Kirk's Ten conservative principles was that of Variety. This is an interesting and unsettling one, to say the least, however little discussed. A bit of a think on it would be rewarding.
Fantasy time is over. Put down the novel. Turn off the movie. Face the grim reality of picking a suitable President.
The reality here is that the major parties have produced two unsuitable candidates for President. Worse yet, for a good while now each of our recent Presidents has in turn managed to expand the power of his office beyond that held by his predecessors. The thought of either of these two sociopaths gaining control of the powers of chief executive as it now stands scares the sh*t out of me. So I will be finding some boring person to write in on election day.
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There is evidence that both Trump and Clinton probably had sex with underage girls while either on Epstein's island or plane....
I don't believe it, not about Clinton, or Trump. Pedophilia is not something normal men engage in. Knowing a pedophile is not evidence.
Not saying it's never happened, Yancey, but not very often. And I'd note your examples are pretty tame compared to Trump.
I have said, and I'll repeat, I am not outraged by the Trump audio. This told me nothing I didn't already know about him, and its importance pales next to Hillary's past and current policies and practices. But "all men" do not talk like that. Or maybe, as Roughcoat said, it's a midwestern thing.
spoiled rich frat boys talk like that
his need for acceptance by a younger frat boy was the death blow of his candidacy...incredible.
vicari valdez
I would recommend you go to that place where you can learn that stereotypes grow from fertile soils and at that place you would be disabused of smug assumptions that are fertile soils for sanctimony.
Incredible indeed, machine. Incredible the number of people who are so shallow that they base their vote on this.
My point, Mike, is that men do talk about women in crude ways when women aren't present, and while a health majority of us don't say these things ourselves, we don't actually condemn the men who do- I almost never give it a second thought. The only thing that distinguishes the Trump recording is the linguistic level of it- that was juvenile. Like I wrote above, the only males I have ever heard use the pussy in that way (outside a rap song) were under the drinking age or voting age.
It's a Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice world.
That said, throw another baby on the barby, there is "planning" to be done.
The solution is like Vicki Hearne's rule for dealing with a husband who likes boats: keep him away from water.
Errol Flynn seduced thousands of women.
One of his methods involved his ownership of a yacht. During the week, he would individually invite a dozen or so young women to spend the weekend on his yacht.
Each of the women was assigned to a individual cabin. By the end of the weekend, he would visit each woman alone in her cabin. In many such cases, he came in the middle of the night, simply crawled into the bed and had sex with her.
Then during the next week he would invite another dozen or so new women to spend the weekend on his yacht.
Another day, another abortion rite.
The exclusion of Posterity by the Church, liberal judges, female chauvinists, and progressives who receive their religious/moral instruction from the twilight zone.
Viva la sexual revolucion!
"spoiled rich frat boys talk like that"
So do Spanish peasants and British soldiers and Chinese merchants. Going out for drinks with a fair selection of the human race is an essential part of education.
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Bad Lieutenant said...
April, I agree he has much heavier artillery than scandal tit-for-tat"
He certainly does, but the media would rather focus on sex scandals. Ideally, Trump should hit back hard - just once - on that score and then pivot to actual issues. My fear is that he's not adept enough to do that, especially since the moderators will be in Hill's corner."
I'd love to see him turn this back to his core winning issue: "elites" vs everybody else. Compare his words to Bill Clinton's deeds and Hillary Clinton's words and deeds. Make it all about how Bill Clinton got away with rape. How Hillary Clinton got away with gross, blatant corruption of her office and the uncountably many crimes that were committed in support of that corruption. How he's seen first-hand, from the private-sector side, how the pay-to-play corruption of government at every level hurts us all. Ask how many Americans think it's in our national interest to sell a sixth of our Uranium production to a Russian oligarch with ties to Iran.
A Bill Clinton could do it. A Ronald Reagan could do it with a shake of his head and two or three words. We'll see what a Donald Trump can do. But I do think he's far better suited to this kind of fight than most of his primary opponents would have been.
Rats overrunning the White House? I think once the Chicago Thugocracy took over, that no longer became a fantasy.
"My point, Mike, is that men do talk about women in crude ways when women aren't present, and while a health majority of us don't say these things ourselves, we don't actually condemn the men who do- I almost never give it a second thought."
I don't have a quibble with this statement, Yancey. I hardly ever hear it, but I have no doubt SOME do. I was pushing back against "ALL men talk like that.". And as too condemn men who do: condemn, no, avoid, yes.
Can't wait to see Clinton and Trump greet each other warmly at the debate. Then, insult each other and smile and shake hands after.
Any question to Trump about pussy should be dismissed with a "I;ll get back to that" as he goes into prepared talking points re corruption and latest emails "blacks are losers, etc.
Cono of course is "cunt". We were shameless, loud, rude and crude, descendants of peasants and proud of it.
So, it seems I was indeed projecting my Midwestern experience/values on at least some other men.
Be proud, Cunt Boy. Be very proud.
Michael said...
vicari valdez
I would recommend you go to that place where you can learn that stereotypes grow from fertile soils and at that place you would be disabused of smug assumptions that are fertile soils for sanctimony.
10/9/16, 12:35 PM
let me see if i follow you: trump's language was acceptable because obama hypothetically said something similar once because 2 chainz's lyrics.
lol
Indeed!
We are a talented lot. Plenty of scholars and leaders out of those cafeteria tables where the cono kids gathered. Most have emigrated, but in every case I know they were successful men.
Which again raises Russel Kirks point, or points.
Hey, I'm quoting quintessential Americans at you.
Be careful or I'll pull out the Ortega y Gassett, and then where will you be?
On the cono kids - just a bit more - as it happens the prototype, or rather the quintessence of them was the first actual President of the country, Manuel Quezon, whose favorite word was cono, if it wasnt puneta.
A mestizo of the classic sort, descendant of humble people, loud, brash, charismatic, handsome, and a tremendous womanizer. It would be a sad world if a peacock like that was written out of the script.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio ...
Shakespeare would have grokked it all. As would Heinlein.
@buwaya puti ... Kamusta ka! Don't miss the filipina impression on the latest thread. Bet they don't know any Tagalog. But they did get as far as "hola".
vicari valdez
You are beta so it is understandable that you would be drawn to words and then spin them to fit your belief. You will not find that I wrote that Trump's language was acceptable nor any of the other imaginings you have pulled from my brief statement that you should get out more. 2Chainz excellent lyrics, a staple in many parts, were not meant to illustrate anything to you but were directed at Lazlo who has both a sense of humor and an understanding of stereotypes.
But otherwise if you sharpen your reading skills your logic might flourish. With time.
Face the grim reality of picking a suitable President.
Seriously? There's a candidate in this election who would make a "suitable" president?? No, the real "grim reality" is that no one on the ballot even approaches suitable.
You can't separate the outrage of these men from the obvious implication that they never had the balls. Women aren't going to fight the praises+privilege but they sure aren't attracted. These are the guys jerking off at the hope of being allowed inside The Gate To Women's Country" (a solid + thought provoking feminist utopia where the "boys" are made to be cuckolds).
rhhardin,
I now have a better understanding as to why dogs are your best friends.
But "all men" do not talk like that.
and another:
I was pushing back against "ALL men talk like that.
The comments are full of this nonsense.
Not only do all men NOT talk like that – I cannot find where any comment on this thread made any such claim. We’re talking not just straw man but EXTREME straw man, readers.
Oh, grackle, growckle up. This is not a straw-man thing.
Feminazis and leftists love the notion that all men talk like that, think like that, and are secret misogynists when they lay their fat heads down at night.
Join FaceBook if you want some evidence. Or surf the web a bit.
2. Boasting of committing what sounds like criminal sexual assault is not the mere saying of words. The size of the outrage isn't about the words as bad words, but the words as evidence of actions allegedly taken.
I still haven't seen an argument that makes this true.
Why not? You're a lawyer, or were, for crying out loud. How hard is it to make a simple syllogism? What are the premises that lead to the conclusion of the above statement?
Michael said...
vicari valdez
You are beta
10/9/16, 2:31 PM
lol ok.
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