"... he was forced to go through the Clinton Foundation for an appointment. Abedin advised Band that when she went through 'normal channels' at State, Clinton declined to meet. After Band intervened, however, the meeting was set up within forty-eight hours. According to the Clinton Foundation website, in 2005, Salman committed to establishing the Crown Prince’s International Scholarship Program (CPISP) for the Clinton Global Initiative. And by 2010, it had contributed $32 million to CGI. The Kingdom of Bahrain reportedly gave between $50,000 and $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. And Bahrain Petroleum also gave an additional $25,000 to $50,000."
From "New Abedin Emails Reveal Hillary Clinton State Department Gave Special Access to Top Clinton Foundation Donors."
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156 comments:
One of these days this load is going to get too heavy for Hillary's people. (He said prayerfully)
I thought DJT was the expert of the art of the deal.
Now we learn that an HRC meeting w/ no results can be sold for close to $200 million.
Hopefully DJT is calling HRC for advice.
That's right, the big concern PB&J has is that Trump might not be as good as Hillary is at selling US influence and corruption.
That's the only thing that concerns today's left. Hillary committed treason? Yawn, right? I mean, selling the US down the river probably is an unqualified good to PB&J.
I mean, Hillary's closest advisor (Huma) was on the masthead of a radical Muslim brotherhood paper advocating death to America and putting women in chains for over 12 years as an associate editor, and the left applauds her constantly.
--Vance
Hillary!
Cha-Ching!
BTW,
Did anyone follow the second email chain at the link? Was that as lame as it seemed to me?
I'd like to hear some huffing and puffing about that number two powerful smoking gun email chain as well as this number one $200 million to sit down and not get anything email smoking gun.
Carry on.
Sultans pay. Then Sultans play.
What don't you critics get about "D"?
To make dough for himself, DJT needs to bilk loser Americans looking for get rich quick schemes. HRC got Arabs to fork over close to $200 million for charity and all they got was a nothingburger meeting.
I guess tricking Americans into giving you money is a good thing. But, tricking Arabs into giving money to charity is a bad thing.
Carry on.
Hillary is a bonafide extortionist. One would think wash post or nyt would have a team devoted to investigating. Frm senator and First Lady and president are running huge extortion scheme.
This seems like it might be close to abscam.
odd the kingdom has a crown prince as well, who had a charity for bosnia, which funded alqueda camps in afghanistan,
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2012/07/30/atlantic-whitewashes-islamist-groups-in-abedin-controversy/
The old Democrat Pay-to-Play system. It's corrupt as hell but SOP for Hillary & Company. It's crap like this that drives me to never vote for a Democrat again.
and guess where he will end up,
http://houseofkhalifa.com/sheikh-salman-of-bahrain-strong-candidate-for-fifa-presidency/
Narciso,
Imagine if HRC had a full day meeting with this guy, then she'd have persuaded the Arabs out of all of their dough. Terrorism would be solved.
That was rather careless.
khesanh0802 said...
One of these days this load is going to get too heavy for Hillary's people. (He said prayerfully)
Clinton Criminals: Bill and Hillary’s Friends Keep Being Investigated, Convicted, Jailed
"He asked to see hrc thurs and fri thru normal channels. I asked and she said she doesn’t want to commit to anything for thurs or fri until she knows how she will feel."
Maybe she was just not feeling well during that Benghazi thing...
that's not how it works, bahrain has also provided considerable zakat to islamic state,
like so, of course as with the kingdom, they have opponents as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/opinion/the-islamic-states-bahraini-backers.html
HRC swindles Arabs and bad folks to get dough for charity. DJT swindles poor Americans looking to improve themselves (e.g. buying Trump labeled, China made junk, or going to TrumpU, or having your invoices unpaid) so that he can piss in a gold toilet (maybe not literally, otoh?).
Carry on.
PB&J wrote:
I guess tricking Americans into giving you money is a good thing. But, tricking Arabs into giving money to charity is a bad thing.
Bill and Hillary tricked many ordinary Americans out of their investments in Whitewater Development Corp.
What Hillary sold to Salman was not hers to sell or give away, PB&J.
People with poorly developed ideas about ethics are what allows criminals like the Clintons to thrive.
PBandJ_LeDouanier said...
I guess tricking Americans into giving you money is a good thing. But, tricking Arabs into giving money to charity is a bad thing.
Classic Clintonian combination of moving the goalposts and parsing: sure we took the money but you can't prove we sold anything. Much like the meaning of the word "is" the Clintons use excuses we wouldn't accept from our elementary school children. Last week my 5 year old told me we couldn't prove he ate the graham crackers.
There is absolutely nothing that could turn hardcore partisans like this against Hillary. The double standards are getting embarrassing for the apolitical Dem voters with Hillary calling Trump the head ISIS recruiter then the media falling over themselves in faux outrage over his saying Obama and Hillary founded it. Last week they claimed the existence of Russian investments creates an unacceptable conflict of interest for Trump while this week influence peddling is fine.
Meanwhile the people who believe this nonsense think they have a handle on things.
@PB&J:ut, tricking Arabs into giving money to charity is a bad thing.
The charity that employs your own daughter, and gives away a tiny fraction of its donations to charitable purposes and is one of the least transparent charities ever?
I'm sure Colin Powell told her that it was easier to schedule appointments if you set up your own charity foundation and let people who gave large contributions go to the head of the line.
PB&J, you don't seem to understand that virtually anything you can throw at Trump can be thrown at Hillary -- with the significant difference that the Clintons' crimes were also an abuse of public office.
This is really disgusting. And it strikes me that many Americans don't realize how deadly it is to our republic. I mean, Democrats and the MSM will do their best to make light of it and be dismissive. Especially on late night TV where the youngsters get all of their news.
But this is some terrible stuff. Having a US political appointee for sale? Ugh.
That should be some serious jail time. The fact that they will probably be our next president is unsettling.
Rick,
Imagine if there weren't any missing graham crackers, in fact what if the 5yo had talked been a minute late for lunch because they were taking the meanest kid on the block into giving a million graham crackers to poor families under the nearest bridge. You wouldn't punish the kid, would you?
I'm old enough to remember when an appearance of impropriety was enough to stop people from doing something, even if that thing were otherwise perfectly legitimate. Something has been lost in the last decade or so, and I fear it's not coming back for many decades to come.
I'm keeping track. So far everybody prefers tricking Americans for greed over tricking Arabs for charity.
Carry on.
"tricking Arabs for charity."
Interesting euphemism for 'selling access to public office.'
The 'charity' was, of course, Hillary's personal slush fund.
Terry,
Did you see the second email chain at the link?
What did you think?
I didn't read it, PB&J.
You can't possible read anything I have written in this thread as a defense of anything Trump did or may have done.
You, on the other hand, are explicitly defending Hillary of selling access to the people's government.
Imagine the pride you will feel pulling that lever for Hillary in November!
I will not be voting for Trump or Hillary.
what do you think they get for that money.
Yeah, what does this guy get for his $32 million.
Answer: Plenty.
Hillary has sold our country out to a bunch of foreign countries. It will be a disaster if she wins.
How much uglier can it get before she is forced to step out of the race? She really should be in prison.
Really damning. Can only imagine what is in her many "personal emails" that were deleted. Was she the final judge as to what was personal? Never hear that discussed.
Blogger Luke Lea said...
Was she the final judge as to what was personal?
Yes.
Hillary defender PB&J is convinced that Hillary exchanged a meeting with her, as Secretary of State, for a personal favor from a foreign national (donation to the non-profit she controls).
You will never here Hillary admit that, because it would be confessing to a felony bribery charge.
1. The Clinton Foundation has saved millons of lives!
2. Hillary's lackeys never agreed to be ethical!
3. You can't prove shit!
4. Trump said somehing!
PBandJ_LeDouanier said...
Imagine if there weren't any missing graham crackers,
Imagination: the Dems new standard of evidence. I've heard this one before, the super secret 1972 memo might have been coincidentally typed in exactly the default Word font and settings because a machine capable of creating superscript existed. There's no evidence the institution owned this machine and not one record from the time contains these settings. But because Dems can imagine circumstances where it did happen we're going to pretend not only that it's reasonable to conclude so but we're also going to claim everyone who disagrees does so because they hate Democrats and blacks.
they were taking the meanest kid on the block into giving a million graham crackers to poor families
Sid Blumenthal isn't poor, nor are any of the other beneficiaries.
it's the bart simpson test, and this is just the tip of the email pile,
I've been wondering for years why Huma gets a free pass. She has always seemed like as much of a security risk as Hilary.
My main concern is her mother. She is a professor in Jeddah University. Something like that would normally be a screaming red flag for a security clearance. She is, in effect a hostage. "Hey Huma, we're investigating your mother for adultery. Probably nothing to it, though. By the way, do you think you could get us a peek at the State dept phone book?" Always start with something innocuous. "You help us and we can help your mother."
See, for example, the recent case of a dentist who was denied clearance to work on reservists teeth at a reserve center. His grandmother lived in Israel.
Also,
In the 2000-2009 period Huma made a maximum reported salary of about $45m/yr working as Hilary's aide. Yet she was getting ink in magazines like Vogue and others for the glamorous (expensive) way she dressed. She managed to buy a $400,000 DC townhouse for cash. Her father is dead and had no money, her mother is a professor in Saudi Arabia. Where was she getting her money?
How the Hell did she get a security clearance?
Yes, I know about her alleged ties to Muslim Brotherhood. If true, those shoudl be disqualifying too.
John Henry
Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!
where does the money for much proselytizing abroad, read wahhabi propaganda, like the diplomat who ran the mosque where two of the 19 hijackers came from, the ministry of islamic affairs,
Huma's mother is pretty radical and pretty vocal about her radicalism. Among other things, she supports female circumcision as being required by law.
Huma, though born in the US lived in Saudi Arabia from abut 2 to 18 years old. It might be reasonable to assume that her mother circumcised her.
This could explain Weiner's behavior. "Gee Tony, I'm saving it till we're married" Then on his wedding night be is confronted trying to have sex with her hacked up lady parts. GAAGGHHHH!
It would be enough to put any man off his feed.
I think we need to see some pictures of Huma's lady parts.
John Henry
If radical Muslims didn't think she was a spy for the Muslim Brotherhood, she'd have a dozen fatwas against her for marrying Weiner alone and having children with him. She'd need an army to guard her.
Trump is into charity. In fact he's cancelling things a ways into next week because he was doing charity in LA for part of a day last week.
That makes sense.
I hear hints of the last defense used by politicians on tape arranging pay for play bribes:
With a straight face and great sincerety they swear on their mother's grave that they were working for the FBI on a sting operation to catch the bad guys who were trying to bribe American Crooked politicians.
And now the crooked FBI is disavowing their being its secret agents...talk about betrayal of good people.
Obviously spending a couple hours doing charity in LA and then going on to a rally that day would result in canceling several events the week after week after you spent a couple hours doing charity.
Carry on.
PB&J,
How is Trump U any different from pretty much any other US University?
Main differences I see are:
1) At Trump you only got meat courses without all the other non-vallue adding courses required to pad the curricula.
2) Trump graduates seem, in general, to feel they got more value from their education than typical University students.
3) It was a lot less expensive than most universities
4) Student loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy. Trump U had regular financing available. More student friendly than student loans.
5) Employment within the field was higher for Trump U graduates than for many regular university programs.
6) Pay was better for Trump U graduates.
John Henry
Huma's mother is pretty radical and pretty vocal about her radicalism. Among other things, she supports female circumcision as being required by law.
that should have been Muslim/Islamic/Sharia law
John Henry
Does it need to be spelled out? Hillary Clinton was SECRETARY OF STATE while carrying on these financial shenanigans. Conflict of interest and influence peddling. Get it????
PBandJ_LeDouanier said... [hush][hide comment]
HRC swindles Arabs and bad folks to get dough for charity. DJT swindles poor Americans looking to improve themselves (e.g. buying Trump labeled, China made junk, or going to TrumpU, or having your invoices unpaid) so that he can piss in a gold toilet (maybe not literally, otoh?).
Any "Trump labeled Junk made in Chine" is clearly marked "Made in China."
Tens of thousands of TrumpU people are satisfied with the product, and the case is yet to be judged.
Out of hundreds of thousands of invoices submitted over Trups decades in business, surely you can link to at least a hundred or so un-paid?
And Arabs are paying for future favors. Hillary loses, donations gonna dry up.
I will admit admiration for the Clinton's part in raising and spending tens of millions of dollars in Haiti.
Yet there she is, viable. This information would bury anyone else. Not the hand selected corrupt D. Media covers. she keeps lying.
"HRC got Arabs to fork over close to $200 million for charity and all they got was a nothingburger meeting."
For charity?
The skims off CGI are huge. Their payout ratio is @15%
So they kept @ $170 mil from the Bahrainis and used it to pay - who? what?
And who said there was a nothingburger.
Meetings is not just meetings. Meetings for money means meetings for a reason. Subtext dude, subtext. Nobody pays that kind of money for nothingburger. Clinton knew what they wanted, and the price for it was stated up front for a "meeting".
PB&J, I know you are just for fun, pero hombre, eres pesado.
The Clinton Foundation IS NOT a charity. It doesn't really do anything charitable.
The Clintons TAKE from Haiti and Te Congo... the poorest nations on earth.
No giving. If the Clinton Foundation were actually giving - Haitian poverty would be solved.
mock,
Where are the shenanigans and conflicts of interest and influence peddling. Some dude ended up w/ a meeting that was iffy only because HRC wasn't well.
And, did you read the second smoking gun email chain at the link that Althouse is pointing to? If so, can you tell me what was bad there?
john,
I don't know what you're using for comparison universities. But, I don't doubt that there are all sorts of lame profit schools that rip off folks. They're in the news fairly often. Not sure that two wrongs make a right. Also, when you're comparing to other university graduates, are you sure that TrumpU even provided degrees to graduates? It seems like they weren't credentialed to give degrees to "graduates."
i remember when Michelle Bachmann questioned Huma's security clearance. Holy Shit, was that un-American or what? If I remember, Johnny Mac and his little Buddy Lindsey even joined the hand-wringing parade! Now, the congresswoman looks like a Prophetess!
Amusing to watch "PBJ" straining mightily to make a point. Perhaps one day s/he will succeed. But that day is not this day.
I laughed in a friends face this weekend at a party when they were wondering when Trump would release his tax returns and I said we will get the returns the same day we can get an audit of the Clinton Foundation and they quickly changed the subject.
"And Arabs are paying for future favors."
I get it, maybe the Foundation will give refunds in coincidental exchanges when we get back some hostages in the future.
Crown Prince of Bahrain Forced to Go Through Foundation to See Clinton, after Pledging $32 Million to Clinton Global Initiative
Hollywood Executive Casey Wasserman, Slimfast Mogul Daniel Abraham, Controversial Appointee Rajiv Fernando also among Clinton Foundation Donors Granted Special Favors from Clinton State Department
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released 725 pages of new State Department documents, including previously unreleased email exchanges in which former Hillary Clinton’s top aide Huma Abedin provided influential Clinton Foundation donors special, expedited access to the secretary of state. In many instances, the preferential treatment provided to donors was at the specific request of Clinton Foundation executive Douglas Band.
The new documents included 20 Hillary Clinton email exchanges not previously turned over to the State Department, bringing the known total to date to 191 of new Clinton emails (not part of the 55,000 pages of emails that Clinton turned over to the State Department). These records further appear to contradict statements by Clinton that, “as far as she knew,” all of her government emails were turned over to the State Department.
The Abedin emails reveal that the longtime Clinton aide apparently served as a conduit between Clinton Foundation donors and Hillary Clinton while Clinton served as secretary of state. In more than a dozen email exchanges, Abedin provided expedited, direct access to Clinton for donors who had contributed from $25,000 to $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. In many instances, Clinton Foundation top executive Doug Band, who worked with the Foundation throughout Hillary Clinton’s tenure at State, coordinated closely with Abedin. In Abedin’s June deposition to Judicial Watch, she conceded that part of her job at the State Department was taking care of “Clinton family matters.”
Notice anything missing from tonight's ABC, CBS, NBC coverage.
Just heard NBC call it "The Clinton Charity" -
FM,
"Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills"
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
Quick - change the subject- The Clinton are corrupt again!
Hillary Clinton is made in China - and is bought and paid for by Big Arab Oil.
Banana Republic really needs to upgrade its image.
It started well as a niche fake-tropical gear seller, then lost its way.
Now it has a chance to return to its origins but also go upscale, New York, Washington designer stuff for big bucks, including bulky pantsuits for aged ladies. Because thats where you will find the biggest, most authentic Banana Republic on Earth.
April,
Go to the link that Althouse has posted (and you cut and pasted from) and read the second email chain that Judicial Watch is pointing to as some sort of supposed smoking gun.
What do you think?
"Included among the Abedin-Band emails is an exchange revealing that when Crown Prince Salman of Bahrain requested a meeting with Secretary of State Clinton, he was forced to go through the Clinton Foundation for an appointment. Abedin advised Band that when she went through “normal channels” at State, Clinton declined to meet. After Band intervened, however, the meeting was set up within forty-eight hours. According to the Clinton Foundation website, in 2005, Salman committed to establishing the Crown Prince’s International Scholarship Program (CPISP) for the Clinton Global Initiative. And by 2010, it had contributed $32 million to CGI. The Kingdom of Bahrain reportedly gave between $50,000 and $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. And Bahrain Petroleum also gave an additional $25,000 to $50,000.
That's not smoking gun enough for you, PBJ?
let see a gulf state's no 2, who's likely to head the fifa racket, whose ruling creed is a mild form of sharia, feathers the sinecure of the former secretary of state, which has jurisdiction over matters relating to that country, and her presidential campaign,
my opinion of Bono just jumped down the toilet.
The newly obtained Abedin emails also contain a memorandum sent to Cheryl Mills from State Department White House liaison Laura Pena revealing that Rajiv Fernando was proposed for his controversial appointment to the sensitive International Security Advisory Board as early as June 2009. Fernando was not actually appointed until 2011, and his appointment raised a firestorm because, according to an ABC News report, “he had no obvious experience in the field.” Fernando donated $1 million to the Clinton Foundation.
The Abedin emails reveal that even U2’s Bono got into the act when former Bill Clinton aide Ben Schwerin, who helped set up the Clinton Foundation, urged Abedin to help the aging rock star broadcast from the international space station. In a May 27, 2009, email with the subject line “Bono/NASA,” Schwerin wrote, “Bono wants to do linkup with the international space station on every show during the tour this year.… Any ideas? Thks.” Bono has been a donor to the Clinton Global Initiative. And in 2011, he gathered top entertainers for “A Decade of Difference: A Concert Celebrating 10 Years of the William J. Clinton Foundation.” According to USA Today, “Some tickets were sold to the public for $50 to $550, and premium seats went for $1,000 to $5,000 on the Foundation website.”
“These new emails confirm that Hillary Clinton abused her office by selling favors to Clinton Foundation donors,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “There needs to be a serious, independent investigation to determine whether Clinton and others broke the law.”
There are quite a few strings of emails in there, most just cited.
Every one shows personal access by back channels to the then-Secretary of State by major donors to CGI, a private entity, asking for favors of one sort or another. These are directed to employees of the State Department, such as Huma Abedin, acting to pass them to her supervisor, who should not be entertaining these informal requests for official favors.
If this sort of thing was happening in a Fortune 500 company, with emails of this sort in public, with Clinton as a company officer and Abedin as her executive assistant, they would be tossed out instantly, out of work and unemployable.
Geez, I have worked for several F500 companies, and every one of them has a required ethics class where exactly this sort of thing, or many variation of it are explicitly cited as firing offenses.
PB&R,
Not talking about for profits schools. I am talking about universities in general.
To take one example of local interest: How many UW law school graduates are working as lawyers 2 years after graduation? How much are they making? How much debt do they owe? How many say that they would do it again.
Stories are legion of people graduating from all manner of schools from Harvard to Clinton's Laureate affiliated universities with degrees in Feminist studies, Puppetry, English lit or a host of other majors who can't find any job using their education. Who can't find any job they weren't qualified for at HS graduation.
And holding tens or scores of thousands of dollars in student loan debt. Debt that they will still be paying off into their 40s or later. Dept that will prevent them marrying, forming a family or buying a home.
Compare this to Trump U graduates and tell me which group is significantly better or worse off? Seems to be more or less the same.
The real scam is not Trump U. The real scam is student loans.
John Henry
I forgot about the degrees. I don't know if Trump gave "Diplomas" or some sort of certificate of completion or the like.
Wisconsin Indianhead Technical College doesn't either. Packaging students get a certificate of completion and jobs, no experience needed, starting at $40-100m.
Employers care more about what you can do and what you know than what kind of diploma you have.
Completion of trump U was apparently viewed as valuable in the workplace regardless of what they called the completion document.
John Henry
Speaking of for profit universities, Bill Clinton got $3-4mm for a couple years part time work with Laureate Universities. They are basically a Ponzi scheme. Far worse than Trump because they are scamming the government.
John Henry
"Stories are legion of people graduating from all manner of schools from Harvard to Clinton's Laureate affiliated universities with degrees in Feminist studies, Puppetry, English lit or a host of other majors who can't find any job using their education."
My daughter was once fundraising for UCLA and was given a list of MBA grads to hit up for donations. A surprising number told her they were unemployed or broke and that they had wasted their time at UCLA.
John,
If spending dough, I'd rather have a degree than a certificate of accomplishment, or whatever it was that TrumpU was handing out.
Buwaya,
"Every one shows personal access by back channels to the then-Secretary of State by major donors to CGI, a private entity, asking for favors of one sort or another. These are directed to employees of the State Department, such as Huma Abedin, acting to pass them to her supervisor, who should not be entertaining these informal requests for official favors."
If they all show this, can you point to some? All of the excerpts from JW have filled in speculation, not tick tock timelines. Or, like the second most highlighted email chain, they show that access was not granted when it was sought. JW's own supposed smoking gun email chain shows that access was denied because Abedin didn't feel it was right to allow it.
"A surprising number told her they were unemployed or broke and that they had wasted their time at UCLA."
When someone calls me asking to clean my rugs I tell them I have concrete floors. Just sayin.
PB&J is not here to make points; he is here to disrupt the thread.
Another one paid to do so?
We used to pretend to hold our elected officials to an ethical standard. Then Bill rubbed our face in it and we had to admit we really don't care about that shit.
Rock on, Hill! Appoint your horse as secretary of something. See who peeps a word about it. It won't be Democrats.
Power, baby!
In this thread there are a few comments that make it seem like some folks think the election is already over. Don't forget that the polls are skewed or rigged, so DJT is actually winning. You can look at the Russian propaganda aimed at the West (i.e Sputnikint) to see that DJT is actually winning. They even use the MAGA hashtag, maybe they buy the hats, too (can they do that w/o citizenship?). Anywho, now that they've hacked the Ds maybe they can hack our voting system to help out DJT.
Don't give up hope.
"If they all show this, can you point to some?"
Sure - on the thread you cite, re the fellow asking for a pass on the criminal footballer, the donor felt free to call an employee of the State Department to request a special favor (it is very suspicious that he felt the ability to do so) instead of going through channels, and she agreed to do so with reservations. He let her off the hook, but?
This sort of thing is a no-no in Corp ethics. The proper answer is -
a - Say no immediately, and direct the requester to go through proper channels.
b - Report the improper request to the supervisor.
That there is such a constant pattern of this stuff?
You are too smart not to come to the inevitable conclusions PB&J. No seas pesado.
"In this thread there are a few comments that make it seem like some folks think the election is already over. "
I don't think its over, but I am pessimistic. I don't know why you aren't depressed PB&J.
This will be entirely a banana republic; I come from a banana republic. You won't like your banana republic. Why you insist on liking your coming poverty and chains, I can't understand.
I don't understand you PB&J.
What do you do, what is your history, where was your mind formed?
People are interesting, I am interested in you.
exactly, these are the issues not being spoken of subtly, but the time of subtlety is over, as we saw the last time, red queen promised transparency as a condition of her confirmation, and that went by the wayside,
The Smoking Gun is that these E-mails were deleted off a private, homebrew server after Hillary called them personal, said her lawyers (who didn't have appropriate security clearances) didn't read the messages and were deleted in contravention of U.S. law.
But PB&J has burned the goalposts and now claims we are incompetent if we cannot prove beyond a doubt what Hillary has tried to hide from public view.
Meanwhile, Hillary is a crook. She has sold her position for bribes. She has no redeeming value. She has no positive message. She will decrease America's wealth. She will decrease employment and economic growth. She will grow Leviathan and Leviathan will choke the country.
My lord, such open bribery now gets a great big yawn from the democrat media. It has been kinda slow, but it appears we are officially a banana republic. Just unbelievable.
Its very sad really.
I knew the Americans when they were mighty. I saw the giants walking the earth. I served the giants, proudly, in admiration.
I helped you make your technology, shoot your rockets, explore space, build your fleets and fill your squadrons.
There was nothing like it.
Now you are reduced to this, little snivelling grafters selling their people, retail and wholesale for the thirty pieces of silver.
PB&J, if you have seen the glory I have seen, you would regret your poor life.
You know, Hillary! may be our first President to be impeached before she is sworn in!
PB&J insists that Hillary arranged a quid-pro-quo bribe. Pay money to my foundation, meet with the secretary of state. Jesus, I think PB&J is too thick to realize he is defending Hillary by accusing her of committing a felony.
America, you were an empire that inspired continents.
At one time an American abroad could walk into a dispute among warring clans and make peace, because both sides trusted his reputation for honor and wisdom.
Now? Both sides will ask his price. Or ignore him entirely, a nullity.
This happened in a surprisingly short time.
As if the "rule of law" means something in a Pro-Choice society. Once you rationalize class diversity schemes (e.g. individual discrimination), and, worse, elective abortion for trivial causes, and clinical cannibalism at Planned Parenthood, there really is no limit to corruption. Western civilization is on a progressive slope.
Here's the front page top corner headline from the WaPo: "Emails reveal how foundation donors got access to Clinton, State Dept. aides". That's the WaPo who I generally would expect to bury the story. Apparently the NYT hasn't figured out how to deal with it yet so no headline. The WSJ headline is even a little tamer than the WaPo: "More Emails Show Clinton Foundation Sought State Department Access for Donors". Is there a shift going on? Stay tuned.
we were the strongest tribe, as recently as eight years ago in iraq, then the brilliant wisdom of the secretary, along with that resident geostrategist biden, concurred with obama to pull out, and along the way, try to force karzai out of power, that worked out nearly as well,
Buwaya: "A surprising number told her they were unemployed or broke and that they had wasted their time at UCLA."
They are probably lying to her. I always tell everyone soliciting donations--especially for my over-endowed alma meter--that I'm unemployed/broke., and that my time spent in prison for fraud and embezzlement was totally wasted. And then i ask THEM for money, just a little bit to help me get back on my feet. They always hang up on me right away.
If i don't add the prison part, they keep begging and begging for ever decreasing amounts (100, 50, 20, how about 10?)--even after hearing that I'M FUCKING UNEMPLOYED AND DEAD BROKE--and i miss half my damn t.v. show.
"They are probably lying to her."
No doubt some are, but way too many liked staying on the phone reminiscing about UCLA with a sympathetic ear. No, I gather that way too much of this was entirely true.
All it took to get rid of her or any other fundraiser was to say, no, sorry, not just now. It was the very opposite of hard sell.
interesting no, where her judgement determines,
https://twitter.com/juliangwan/status/767796123142541312
Is it any wonder that practically every foreign government official is for Hillary Clinton and vehemently against Donald Trump? They know that they can buy influence and special treatment from Clinton. Not so with the Donald.
you see how they went asleep when it came to the green revolution, then went all out against mubarak a unwieldy us ally, a year later,
Wait, was this one of the yoga routine emails?
Narciso,
Interesting bit that.
If she is stupid enough to listen to Sidney Blumenthal recommending Gary Sick, this explains a lot. The document there is from 2009. It seems...a bit less than prophetic I think. Old Khamenei ended up doing rather better than Blumenthal/Sick were saying.
Buwaya, fair enough. Your 7:44 comment is profound.
I am fascinated by how this could have happened.
Baby boomers? But what was it about us exactly?
Another reality to consider about these men who gave millions to the Clinton Family Cosa Nostra loosely disguised as charity, is that they could resell that "Appearance of Influence " over the American juggernaught that was then destroying every government in the Middle East that they felt like destroying that day. Those donors made themselves look like secret strong horses in order to protect themselves and their Massive Fortunes.
Put a little ice on that Khadaffi.
But they gave away all real leverage in the region.
I'm shocked -- shocked! -- to learn that access to our Secretary of State required donations to her family's "charitable" foundation.
Fortunately, we know that she is so honorable that even after taking the money, she will stiff her donors. At least sometimes.
Unfortunately, she is so self-absorbed that she doesn't understand why people have a problem with this.
Really, everyone, this is just a tempest in a teapot dome.
Its very sad really.
I knew the Americans when they were mighty. I saw the giants walking the earth. I served the giants, proudly, in admiration.
I helped you make your technology, shoot your rockets, explore space, build your fleets and fill your squadrons.
There was nothing like it.
Now you are reduced to this, little snivelling grafters selling their people, retail and wholesale for the thirty pieces of silver.
Fundamentally transformed, Buwaya, fundamentally transformed!
Hillary voted for the Iraq War. She was against the successful Iraq 'surge' of 2007. As secretary of state, Hillary advised Obama to abandon our allies in Iraq, and stood by when civil war erupted in Syria.
In September, 2012, Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed by a Muslim mob in Bengazi. He was the 8th US ambassador to be killed in the line of duty. All of the previous Ambassadors who were killed died as a result of assassination or kidnapping. Stevens begged for help from the state department eight hours. No help came because Hillary would not okay a rescue.
She was a terrible Secretary of State. She has the blood of thousands of our allies on her hands.
Hillary has a record. No Democrat will even attempt a defense of the person they will vote for in November.
Hillary is incompetent and corrupt. Her husband is corrupt, a philander and an abuser of women. But watch out for Trump! He doesn't like illegal aliens! People have sued him!
Now you are reduced to this, little snivelling grafters selling their people, retail and wholesale for the thirty pieces of silver.
And what is next? We hang ourselves and settle into ignominy? This election will decide.
Crazy Jane, you're right of course about her self-absorption - but it's worse than that, because her voters DON'T have a problem with this. For a crystal-clear example, read PB&J's comments throughout this thread, or talk to any random liberal you meet. They're too morally bankrupt or intellectually deprived, or both, to see any difficulty at all as long as the candidate with a D after her name is the winner.
It's as Buwaya says. We've lost something enormously important, and lost it so completely and quickly that many of us don't even understand why it would have been worth keeping.
Man... Hillary makes Al Capone look like both a piker and a WISE CRAFTY MAN WHO COULD HIDE HIS SECRETS.
Hillary is both corrupt to the bone and inept at the same time. Only thing saving her arse is rich high end Democrats that cover for her (MSM, Hollywood, and fellow Congressmen/Senators.)
But sooner or later I think she will just do one corrupt deed to many. Kind of like the straw that broke the camels back.
See she ain't no Bill Clinton.
BN,
I dont know. I only suspect.
A lot I think had to do with the schools, from top to bottom. The best schools used to turn out courageous gentlemen. They no longer do.
But this isnt our story. We are old men who were taught the old way I think. Our stories are just about what was.
One who would know, probably, are those like our friends PB&J and Titus. Their stories are important. Someone failed them badly. It would be useful to know.
Hagar said...
PB&J is not here to make points; he is here to disrupt the thread.
Another one paid to do so?
8/22/16, 7:16 PM
Same one. Shiloh. Traffic analysis. Now he is taking his meds.
Buwaya, indeed this is humiliating. Revolting. Absurd. I have no words.
How does she not quit the race? Or die of shame?
...
But remember, you fine pure ones, don't vote for Trump,
because...?
Oh, I know, because...
HE'S JUST AS BAD!!!
Right? Was that it?
If, for some reason, Obama had appointed Trump instead of Hillary in 2008, and by 2012 we were looking at Russia in the Crimea and threatening Ukraine, civil war in Syria, Libya as a failed state after Trump had removed Ghaddafi (w/o congressional approval), the murder of our ambassador to Libya, the abandonment of our allies in Iraq and the rise of Isis in Iraq and Syria, the nevertrumpers would have said. "Waddya expect? Trump is an idiot! Hillary would've been better!"
"Right? Was that it?"
Some are going w/ what he is not. I.e. a conservative.
The failure at the top, the entire corruption of the leadership class I think happened during the (Bill) Clinton administration. It had been growing in particular places, was endemic in others (Tammany Hall and all its copycats, the Kennedys, Texas, which has actually reversed much of its old poverty-driven third worldism), but Clintons was the first Federal government entirely corrupted.
Its no accident that we have all this from his wife. I wonder what Bill himself has done in private.
But this revelation is an artifact of the relative lack of sophistication of this early gang that has reached the top. The ones following will be much smoother and neater.
Ah, there you are.
We want your story young sir, PB&J.
Your life, if you please, as we are undertaking a failure analysis of America.
You, personally, are a very telling data point.
Why do you think what you think, and how did you get that way?
well one sees how bosnia was the real proving ground for al queda, not afghanistan, and ambassador galbraith, gave salafi and shia militants a back door into europe, meanwhile we were focusing on those strategic theatre, like haiti and somalia, the former was certainly a market, brennan was station chief, when they were making their bones in the kingdom, khobar and the like, there was at least one aborted hit on bin laden, some minor cruise missile strikes in afghanistan, ignored the december 1998 pdb, and went on a lark in kosovo,
My theory is that as Secretary of State, Hillary passed everything important on to Bill for a decision. She is smart enough to know that she is incompetent at anything to do with foreign policy other than attending conferences. What killed Stevens is that the military couldn't go into Bengazi w/o a state department okay, and Hillary couldn't get a decision from Bill in time to save Steven's life.
After four years of Hillary, we will be god damn lucky to have Putin satisfied with Ukraine and the Baltic states and no nuclear Armageddon in the ME.
What is sadly ironic to me is that Hillary represents everything the average Democratic voter pretends to be against. She is what they pretend the Republicans are.
But she has that "D" after her name.......
What makes the corruption business even more peculiar is that, while Hill was the obvious linchpin connecting State and the Foundation/Initiative, the scheme once set in motion unfolded without much obvious involvement from her. Her recorded statements are mostly vacuous, the clueless excretions of a nullity. She was run by her posse. Still is. An enterprising journalist could trace the gang's network.
buywaya,
I actually typed out a few paragraphs when you first asked. But, then deleted it all.
In 08, when I first landed here after being banned at two other sites (Talk Left and myDD) because I was too harsh against HRC, I was admonished by AA to not jabber about myself so much. So, I need to stick to that.
Hi PB&J,
I respect that.
How about one paragraph a day?
I seem to get away with a lot, but under the circumstances you are more interesting.
well one sees how bosnia was the real proving ground for al queda, not afghanistan narciso, I have often wondered about it but don't recall much in the US news. The BBC certainly believed so: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33345618
When Bill was elected in 1992 and they danced to that Fleetwood Mac song in Little Rock, a good portion of the media set into stone their most fervent desire for her rise to the presidency. Nothing done, or said, since has altered that. Nothing There is no conscious questioning, once they cleaned their palette with BHO. These are people who willingly buy the idea of something like AGW with questionable scientific data but turn a blind eye to the sad reality of Hillary.
buwaya puti said...
"I seem to get away with a lot, but under the circumstances you are more interesting."
Nope.
Buwaya Puti is one of my most favorites, because I get a sense of a world that exists beyond my narrow undestanding.
I see the Name and HAVE to read the comment.
HAVE TO.
I am Laslo.
Laslo Spatula said...
I see the Name and HAVE to read the comment.
Funny, that's the way I feel when I read the name Laslo. Apparently the world that exists beyond my narrow understanding is a sick and twisted place.
yes that's a good summary, of the situation, and bosnia then, was much like syria, today, serbs bad, bosnian muslims good, croats in the middle,
If folks are looking for commenting gold, it doesn't get better than Bad L at the end of the Powell thread. And, a tie back to Laslo, too.
Ditto re Laslo!
Please publish!
yes that's a good summary, of the situation, and bosnia then, was much like syria, today, serbs bad, bosnian muslims good, croats in the middle,
"Baby boomers? But what was it about us exactly?"
Looking inward vs. looking outward. We don't conquer anything anymore. Not even space, really.
We don't do big. We navel gaze and quest over trivial things.
PBandJ_LeDouanier said...In 08, when I first landed here after being banned at two other sites (Talk Left and myDD) because I was too harsh against HRC, I was admonished by AA to not jabber about myself so much. So, I need to stick to that.
This sounds like Althouse knew who PB&J was in real life and advised him or her to keep quiet about it.
I am more interested in knowing to whom PB&J is "related."
I still do not believe that our country has fallen far enough to elect someone as disgusting as Hillary Clinton. Even people from her side of the political spectrum should be afraid of what we will lose if she is elected. There are at least 40 million families out here that are well armed. The Hillary supporters that are attacking trump supporters now are just priming the pump. The BLM movement is just showing how thin the veneer of civilization is. When the rule of law is destroyed by the election of Hillary Clinton the tree of liberty will be thirsty.
Blogger EMD said...
"Baby boomers? But what was it about us exactly?"
"Looking inward vs. looking outward. We don't conquer anything anymore. Not even space, really.
We don't do big. We navel gaze and quest over trivial things. "
Our government punishes the entrepreneur class and pays people not to work.
"This sounds like Althouse knew who PB&J was in real life and advised him or her to keep quiet about it."
No, I was and still am a self absorbed idiot who wanted to be center stage. Althouse was doing me a favor by pointing out what was obvious to all but me. Now I also know the truth, but that knowledge hasn't curbed the obnoxiousness much.
Emails reveal how foundation donors got access to Clinton and her close aides at State Dep
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/emails-reveal-how-foundation-donors-got-access-to-clinton-and-her-close-aides-at-state-dept/2016/08/22/345b5200-6882-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html
"A sports executive who was a major donor to the Clinton Foundation and whose firm paid Bill Clinton millions of dollars in consulting fees wanted help getting a visa for a British soccer player with a criminal past.
The crown prince of Bahrain, whose government gave more than $50,000 to the Clintons’ charity and who participated in its glitzy annual conference, wanted a last-minute meeting with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
U2 rocker and philanthropist Bono, also a regular at foundation events, wanted high-level help broadcasting a live link to the International Space Station during concerts.
In each case, according to emails released Monday from Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state, the requests were directed to Clinton’s deputy chief of staff and confidante, Huma Abedin, who engaged with other top aides and sometimes Clinton herself about how to respond."
Terry,
You've got em' on the run now. The more it's rehashed the scarier it gets.
Carry on.
Engaging in how to respond = lock her up.
PB&J, I don't think I've rehashed any more about Hillary than you have rehashed about Trump.
Care to prove otherwise?
Maybe you would provide yet another link to some story dissing Trump U?
Terry,
I agree that the TrumpU complaints are weak: caveat emptor. But, I still feel for saps who are gullible. This is why I feel sorry for people like you who have become detached from reality regarding HRC and the supposed legal justification for putting her in jail.
Your link to a piece that describes folks "engaging in how to respond" is not a big deal. [Yes, I know I made comments complimenting HRC on her business acumen when I said she shook down some dude for a couple hundred million dollars donated to charity. Presumably the fantastical inflation of the dollar amount was a tip off to my sarcasm. At least I give hints, unlike DJT. But seriously, did you read the actual emails rather than the JW recap of the emails that Althosue posted? The Foundation asks about the meeting and they're told that HRC is already planning to do it based on how she's feeling. Then, it turns out that she's up for it and Abedin lets the foundation know that they went ahead and finalized a time for the meeting. You can't possibly think this a reason to put HRC in jail. Right? Doesn't Trump say we're not a nation w/o laws? If so, you can't lock up HRC for this, it's not illegal.]
It's not that he was forced to go through the Clinton Foundation - it's that that was a way to override her non-decision. Hillary Cklinton was willing to meet him, but didn't want to commit. Also, it wasn't the Clinton Foundation - it was Bill Clinton, communicating through Doug Band.
PBandJ_LeDouanier said...8/22/16, 4:37 PM
Now we learn that an HRC meeting w/ no results can be sold for close to $200 million.
As Jonah Goldberg said, you misunderstand corruption, if you think it's a matter of pure cash. It's favor trading.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439184/clinton-foundation-corruption-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-love-power
Things were not and are not simply for sale to the highest bidder. Drawing simplistic connections between money one day and a favor the next is wrong and it won't check out quite right most of the time. This was all much more of a long term relation.
Every meaningful realm of life that hasn’t been taken over by the logic of markets and contracts, operates on some version of reciprocal altruism...It is what motivates us to... ruin our Saturdays helping a coworker move.
But politics is different. For good reasons — and more than a few bad ones — we’ve tried to wall off politics from the logic of the market. Public servants are supposed to be above personal financial motivations....
...Still, the vast majority of corruptions in politics have little to do with money. And even in the cases where money is part of the indictment, it is only part of it. Most people don’t go into politics to get rich, not even Harry Reid (who nonetheless managed it). Vladimir Putin may be the richest man in the world, but you don’t have to be his psychiatrist to understand that he didn’t go into politics just for the rubles.
...The primary currency of politics is the favor. Trading favors at the macro-level is often called logrolling, but at the micro-level it is called “politics.” Favors can involve trading power, information, offices, access, recommendations of all sorts, status, and, of course, taxpayer dollars.
If you watch Game of Thrones you’ll notice that gold plays a big part in petty corruptions, but the desire for power is the real source of moral degeneration. Change out “Westeros” for “Ancient Rome,” the “Soviet Union,” or virtually every other society that has ever existed and you’ll notice the same thing.
Which brings me to the Clintons. The coverage of the Clinton Foundation is a textbook example of how our pinched and narrow conception of corruption distorts our understanding of politics. Those few mainstream reporters interested in the story at all think the hook is the “pay for play” angle...
...This “pay for play” angle is simply a manifestation of the bastardization of “follow the money.”
The money isn’t the primary issue with the Clintons and it never was. Sure, sure, they like being rich. They like flying around in private planes. They like having lots of houses. But the Clinton Foundation was never about getting rich, it was about keeping the Imperial Court in Exile well-tended to for their return to power. Huma’s amazingly corrupt moonlighting wasn’t about money grubbing per se, it was about keeping Hillary’s Richelieu on the payroll.
The Clintons are a tribe, a House like House Lanister or House Harkonen. They trade power, fame, influence and, sure, on occasion, money to advance the interests of their House...
...Hillary Clinton is corrupt in countless ways, but her desire for personal profit is among the least of her transgressions. She didn’t stay in her thoroughly corrupted marriage for money, she didn’t set up her server for money, she didn’t fire the White House travel office for money, she committed these sins — and myriad others — in order to seek the power and status that she covets and feels she is due.
That she genuinely feels she is entitlted to something is giving her far too much credit.
The rule of law is the opiate of the masses and lesser powers.
Terry said...8/22/16, 10:02 PM
My theory is that as Secretary of State, Hillary passed everything important on to Bill for a decision.
That's a definite possibility. Doug Band was not just the head of the Clinton Foundation - he was a personal aide to Bill Clinton, who did not use e-mail himself.
What killed Stevens is that the military couldn't go into Bengazi w/o a state department okay, and Hillary couldn't get a decision from Bill in time to save Steven's life.
Not true. They may have needed a Presidential OK to cross borders without the host government's permission. But Stevens was killed right at the beginning. The last two were killed hours later. They were being lied to by people in the Libyan government. There are lost of real questions. Including why he suddenly went to Benghazi on Sept. 11.
After four years of Hillary, we will be god damn lucky to have Putin satisfied with Ukraine and the Baltic states and no nuclear Armageddon in the ME.
Couldn't that also, be said about Donald Trump?
What killed Stevens is that the military couldn't go into Bengazi
Stevens and the other Americans died without American intervention, likely in a double cross associated with the Libya-ISIS Affair. Other Americans survived with the assistance of what remained of Gaddafi's government. Libya was a war zone after the opportunistic assassination of Gaddafi and destabilization of that nation. This was not a diplomatic mission. The authorization of force should have come from Obama.
Putin satisfied with Ukraine and the Baltic states and no nuclear Armageddon in the ME
The violence in Ukraine and Eastern Europe was propagated by a Western-backed coup. The progressive wars and refugee crises in the Middle East were initiated through actions by Obama and Clinton. After withdrawal of honest brokers from Iraq, and the subsequent Libya-ISIS Affair, Putin cooperated with Assad to counter the terrorist threats to the native people. If anything, Russia has been extremely patient as Obama, Clinton, and NATO have run amuck through Eurasia and Africa.
"That she genuinely feels she is entitlted to something is giving her far too much credit."
How so? The impression she gives off is that it is her turn and she deserves it. I think you give her too much credit for political subtlety. I see her as having the ambitions and morality of a gangster.
If the Clinton Global Initiative didn't exist, who would be hurt more? The Clintons, or the people who would receive charity from another wealthy person's charity?
Or Clinton Foundation, I should say.
Folks, stops trying to deal with PB. He is unable to argue in good faith.
Really damning. Can only imagine what is in her many "personal emails" that were deleted. Was she the final judge as to what was personal? Never hear that discussed.
One of the long-standing theories is that she erased emails dealing with the Clinton Foundation. This provides some evidence.
Remember: Nixon was nearly impeached over dramatically, markedly less than Clinton is being defended for doing. There was an erasure of 18 minutes of a tape. Clinton erased at least 30,000 emails while giving her lawyers illegal access to them.
Huma's mother is pretty radical and pretty vocal about her radicalism. Among other things, she supports female circumcision as being required by law.
Huma also had some interesting views in a journal she edited.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/huma-abedin-worked-at-a-radical-muslim-journal-for-10-years/
But, I don't doubt that there are all sorts of lame profit schools that rip off folks.
Did Bill make more money off of a for-profit school than Trump allegedly made with Trump U?
Trump never stole money from Haiti. Hillary and Bill did.
Penis, Balls, and Jism is the only Hillary paid troll at Althouse to survive Hill's cutbacks. That says something.
"That she genuinely feels she is entitled to something is giving her far too much credit."
Rusty said...8/23/16, 6:00 AM
How so? The impression she gives off is that it is her turn and she deserves it. I think you give her too much credit for political subtlety. I see her as having the ambitions and morality of a gangster.
I mean she knows she's NOT entitled to it. She knows she doesn't deserve it. She knows she has the morality of a gangster.
She's not foolish enough to believe that anybody who knows the truth about her would want her to be elected president.
Jonah Goldberg had written that she seeks "power and status" and feels she is due.
No, she knows that by any genuine standard it's not her due.
Maybe her pursuit of this, without any particular rationalization except maybe that it's her turn, gives off the impression that she thinks she is entitled to it, but I don't think she thinks she's entitled to it.
n.n said...8/23/16, 5:45 AM
Stevens and the other Americans died without American intervention, likely in a double cross associated with the Libya-ISIS Affair.
A double cross maybe yes, by some people who had been hired for security, but ISIS wasn't involved - it didn't yet exist. It wasn't al Qaeda either - it was more the parent or the grandparent of al Qaeda - Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Moslem Brotherhood.
Other Americans survived with the assistance of what remained of Gaddafi's government.
There was nothing left of Quaddafi's government. And nobody helped very much. They stalled actually and kept on lying.
Libya was a war zone after the opportunistic assassination of Gaddafi
Actually it was peaceful, but then Islamcits started to organize and things were getting worse.
This was not a diplomatic mission.
It was. Stevens was there, in part to gie aid ane encouragement tosome friends of America, but also to try to stop the ship loaded with arms for Syrian rebels from sailing. But it had already sailed. Stevens read the riot act to the Turkish intelligence station chief, and those arms remained in Turkey. eanwhile Islamcists, probably organized by some foreign inttelligence agencies who were prchasing arms to send to Syrian revbels plotted the murder of the Ambassador. Something like that.
The authorization of force should have come from Obama.
he actually gave ageneral order to do ebverything possible to get everybpdy out of there, which meant abandoning the CIA effort to buy weapons before Saudi Arabia or Qatar could, but he had not specfically authtoized going on against the wishes of the Libyan government and all through the night it always looked like it was over and they could get their people out without trouble..
The violence in Ukraine and Eastern Europe was propagated by a Western-backed coup.
The coup had popular support, and was no business of Russia.
The progressive wars and refugee crises in the Middle East were initiated through actions by Obama and Clinton. After withdrawal of honest brokers from Iraq, and the subsequent Libya-ISIS Affair, Putin cooperated with Assad to counter the terrorist threats to the native people.
The refugees were caused by the Assad regime, and Putin saved him in 2013. Terrorists had always been Assad's favorite enemy.
If anything, Russia has been extremely patient as Obama, Clinton, and NATO have run amuck through Eurasia and Africa.
Where are you getting this disinformation from?
The Ukraine coup took place becasue Russia had forced Ukraine to limit its ties to the European Union. Ukraine was in danger of getting too independent.
"This is why I feel sorry for people like you who have become detached from reality regarding HRC and the supposed legal justification for putting her in jail."
It is you, PB&J, who said that Clinton traded access for cash.
This for that.
Quid pro quo.
@PB&J: she shook down some dude for a couple hundred million dollars donated to charity.
By "to charity" you mean to HER OWN charity, which keeps 85% of its donations in part to pay her daughter a salary.
I really hope you are getting paid to post these things, and not so morally decrepit that you make meretricious arguments for free.
It profits a man nothing to give his soul in exchange for the whole world, but for Hillary Clinton?
http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/2016/08/end-of-season-sale-pay-now-play-later.html
"Maybe her pursuit of this, without any particular rationalization except maybe that it's her turn, gives off the impression that she thinks she is entitled to it, but I don't think she thinks she's entitled to it."
Sammy. I really do think she's divorced enough from reality to hold the firm belief that the election is hers.
If what Hillary did is OK --- then why, precisely, is quid pro quo prosecuted at all?
This was as clear cut a case as exists with far more evidence of it than a case normally has.
"One of these days this load is going to get too heavy for Hillary's people. (He said prayerfully)"
Nope. Democratic voters get off on this garbage, even as they piously condemn it when they imagine they see it in others.
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