The man, Seddique Mateen, tried to avoid being noticed. Hillary, of course, had words of sympathy for the families of the victims. A reporter noticed him, and he just said "We've been cooperating with the federal government, and that's about it. Thank you." Later, elsewhere, another reporter got a few more words from him: "Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions," and "I... wish that my son joined the Army and fought ISIS. That would be much better." He dodged a question about whether the Clinton campaign knew he was attending the rally: "It's a Democratic party, so everyone can join."
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It means that people that make anti-American videos, and/or support the taliban, and/or support run for the office of President of Afghanistan, and/or are under investigation by the FBI, and/or blame the pulse nightclub for the shooting that occurred in that nightclub have a political party they think is in alignment with them.
Maybe the press could ask him if he knows where Noor Salman has gone. Nah! Then the public would be reminded that she may have been an accomplice and the FBI lost track of her whereabouts.
It only means something if, say, a David Duke-like person supports Trump.
If any kind of cretin supports Hillary, well, Democracy, Baby!!
I'm stuck on trying to figure out what The Twilight Zone has to do with it.
The man, Seddique Mateen, tried to avoid being noticed.
That's a crock. In my experience, campaigns, particularly Dem campaigns carefully place the right mix of genders and colors right behind the candidate. He's there on purpose when she is talking about the shooting to stretch the Khan story out a few more cycles.
I say lets David Duke the heck out of this.
The man, Seddique Mateen, tried to avoid being noticed.
That's why he made a point of sitting on the stage right behind her...right?
Well, it does go to the theory that the son was basically a self-destructive madman and that it was genetic.
Trump gets raked over the coals by the democrat media for disavowing the KKK for the millionth time fast enough, hillary has the family of a mass murderer sitting behind her. Moveon....
We really, really, really need a republican in the white house. The democrat media has become Pravda.
It means as much as a Klansman supporting Trump. You can look at WHY they support you, and determine if there's anything to it (i.e., just because David Duke thinks Trump would be great for white people, doesn't mean Trump shares Duke's racist beliefs--only that Duke prefers Trump).
In this case, the father doesn't seem to be pro-ISIS so what should this matter? Should Hillary come out and say "I disavow a guy who raises a son who turned evil"?
There is marked difference between the father who's beliefs may be 180 degrees from his son's, supporting a political party and someone like Duke who actually espouses, supports and wishes to influence Trump with racist ideas supporting a candidate... not equivalent and unfair to equate them...
Drill SGT is absolutely right. Some Dem party official picked the terrorist's father to sit behind Hillary and in the line of sight of the cameras. Probably picked because he looked like a Muslim. Diversity.
Should Hillary come out and say "I disavow a guy who raises a son who turned evil"?
Only if she follows it with a wink, and a beat (Hillary is not known for comedic timing, so this might not work), and then says "People ask me about Bill's father all the time!"
The Democrat Party: Simultaneously a comfortable home for Homophobic Islamist Nutjobs, and also the party that wishes to disarm ordinary, law-abiding Americans.
Face it, the Dems are the freakshow party. If you base your identity on being weird, different, "oppressed" or otherwise opposed to what used to be mainstream American society, the Dems will welcome you to your plantation. Unfortunately for America, the freaks and weirdos, along with their enablers and exploiters, not seem to be the majority.
omeone like Duke who actually espouses, supports and wishes to influence Trump with racist ideas supporting a candidate
I forgot all about the Duke/Trump coordination conference calls. Thanks for reminding me.
If you base your identity on being weird,
Nah. That's the libertarians. Like me.
It only means something if, say, a David Duke-like person supports Trump.
If any kind of cretin supports Hillary, well, Democracy, Baby!!
Heh heh. Exactly.
It should mean a lot. The father of a man who slaughtered 50 innocents is pro-Hillary.
Islamic terror hearts democrats.
I never liked these human backdrops for speeches. Surprised there haven't been more of these fiascos.
@Brando
Per his videos, Mateen senior is a homophobic, Taliban-supporting Islamist. Maybe he doesn't condone mass killing or ISIS, but his own words are pretty vile in their own right. And if Trump had someone on stage behind him who espoused Mateen's views on homosexuality, it would be news for a week.
Oh, I forgot - there's one group that has the Privilege to be as homophobic and Jew-hating as they want to be. Because #diversity & #islamophobia.
The man, Seddique Mateen, tried to avoid being noticed.
Oh. Baloney!! The people who are strategically placed behind Clinton, or any candidate don't just get there by chance. They are carefully selected and placed, like objects, to make a statement about the candidate. It is subliminal most of the time. If the candidate wants to show just how much they 'lurve' and support blacks whose live matter the most (evidently), then there will be blacks so that the viewer will get that vibe. Women in Muslim garb? check. Mexicans? check. Military Vets? check? Guys in baseball caps (unknown at Hillary's little events) check?
The demographics of the background people are extremely important and they are there to tell a story.
You don't just get to flounce in, wander on up and sit behind the candidate and be in the screenshots. If he didn't want to be noticed, they sure put him in a position where that goal was impossible to be achieved.
Mr. Mateen was there for a very specific purpose. Of course the viewer's personal perception of what that purpose is may be backfiring, or "short circuiting" when viewed by those who are not liberal progressive muslim apologists.
It doesn't mean much since I doubt it will matter to most people, even if they're made aware of it.
For most of us on the right it will serve as further confirmation that the Democrat party is full of anti-American wack-jobs, and we'll feel a brief bit of self righteous joy maybe. For people on the left it'll be ignored or downplayed. It will have virtually no effect on the polls.
"Only if she follows it with a wink, and a beat (Hillary is not known for comedic timing, so this might not work), and then says "People ask me about Bill's father all the time!""
Ha! I was trying to work in something about her daughter marrying the son of two crooks, but it tied my analogy in knots.
"Per his videos, Mateen senior is a homophobic, Taliban-supporting Islamist. Maybe he doesn't condone mass killing or ISIS, but his own words are pretty vile in their own right."
Well, that's different--anything the father himself has said should be given the same weight as a white supremacist supporting Trump. It doesn't mean the candidate owns it, but the candidate should at least be asked what they think of it.
Hillary (and Obama before her) should have been asked about support from Al Sharpton. Far as I can tell, he's as racist as Duke and was involved in actual violence.
It means anti-gay immigrant vote is purposefully cultivated by Democrars. CAIR and the DNC are fully tied together.
"It should mean a lot. The father of a man who slaughtered 50 innocents is pro-Hillary."
I wouldn't go that far--if the father himself has done something terrible (or came out and said his son was a great martyr) that would be one thing. But if I did my best as a father and raised a rotten kid who went on to do evil, I wouldn't want to be blamed for it.
We noticed Mr. Mateen, sitting behind the podium where his face is clearly in the pictures.
Who else was at the rally, hidden in the corners, if this was the best person they could find to take that high-profile seat?
Has anyone checked to make sure Charlie Manson is still in his cell?
And is John Hinckley, Jr., still in DC?
Ok, so now anyone who is at a Trump rally can be pinned on him.
This should be fun, now that people here welcome this sort of candidate shaming.
"...tried to avoid being noticed". Ridiculous.
You can do that by staying at home. Going to the beach in a Speedo doesn't do it. Neither does sitting behind the candidate at a political rally.
Oh..Hey. I have to correct myself someone was wearing a ball cap at a Hillary event. It was Mateen! :-)
I didn't see that in the photos. My bad.
Bad phone
Did they ever find his daughter in law? The one who was an accomplice and the FBI let slip, same as they did with Hillary?
Well, whether it means anything depends on your reaction to David Duke's endorsement of Donald Trump. If you think it's bad that Trump did not immediately disavow Duke then it's very, very bad that the father of a man who murdered homosexuals in the name of Allah is endorsing Hillary Clinton. If you figure that Trump has limited control over who does and who does not endorse him then it's fair to say that neither does Hillary.
If you're going to say that the two cases are not equivalent, you're right. Accepting Mateen's endorsement is a dog whistle out to Muslims that they are much more important in the 2016 Democrat coalition than gays.
Well, it does go to the theory that the son was basically a self-destructive madman and that it was genetic.
Why did his wife help him then, and who is hiding her?
Please: you want to know the biggest gay story right now? The LGBT groups-- at least 25 of them, all the big names included, have decided that they need to demonstrate the virtues of tolerance and compassion they demand everyone show them. And how did they demonstrate this?
By writing a letter demanding that the Big 12 deny BYU a spot because BYU has an honor code forbidding premarital sex, and BYU enforces that honor code. Thus, our LGBT betters have decreed that BYU cannot be tolerated for having a different opinion.
Further: the LGBT crowd is actually trying to get BYU's accreditation pulled, in particular their law school, because BYU does not condone same sex marriage, and never has. They don't condone sex outside of marriage period.
I would love to hear Ann's view on whether BYU's law school, which is highly ranked and is one of the very few places that is not a leftist indoctrination camp, should lose their accreditation from the ABA because they don't follow the ABA's social justice mottos. And what does it mean for religious freedom, and whether Christian morals are allowed to exist in the law anymore.
--Vance
GWASH said: There is marked difference between the father who's beliefs may be 180 degrees from his son's,
Does he really believe 180 from his son? Pretty sure he is strongly anti-gay. He has the same beliefs, but maybe not the same convictions. Yet.
There is marked difference between the father who's beliefs may be 180 degrees from his son's,
Most people probably wouldn’t consider a son who supports ISIS to have beliefs that are 180 degrees from a father who apparently supports the Taliban but YMMV.
Mark wrote: "Ok, so now anyone who is at a Trump rally can be pinned on him.
This should be fun, now that people here welcome this sort of candidate shaming."
Now? It has already been happening. Get with the program.
I guess it goes down to whose ox is being gored.
Somebody should ask him where is daughter in law - the shooter's wife - is.
in addition, his son was the second person from that mosque, that went 'postal' the first was abusalha, who blew himself in syria, the fellow who tipped off the fbi, pointed out that matteen was a fan of red queen,
the parallel would if the charleston shooter's family was sitting behind trump, not a punk like duke who has been chased out of western europe and russia,
yes, what happened to miss salman, the likely accomplice, it's remarkable how they so blatantly ridicule and demean their strongest supporters, gays and latinos,
IMO, this is an example of how our immigration policy over the last 40 years was used to import more Dem voters.
This guy is nuts and he is un-American and he is a troubled hateful SOB. He spawned a hateful, crazed killer of a son Mateen. The father should be deported. And befoe we do that, let's audit his taxes - I bet he is a tax cheat too- and take all his money.
Does it mean anything? Yeah, it means Hillary is going to blow a fuse, short-circuit in a spectacular way. Some advance man or woman is going to be ducking a flying lamp.
"Well, whether it means anything depends on your reaction to David Duke's endorsement of Donald Trump. If you think it's bad that Trump did not immediately disavow Duke then it's very, very bad that the father of a man who murdered homosexuals in the name of Allah is endorsing Hillary Clinton. If you figure that Trump has limited control over who does and who does not endorse him then it's fair to say that neither does Hillary."
Those are fair points, but the appropriate comparison is if David Duke's father was at Trump's rallies. Then the question is does Duke Sr. (or Mateen Sr.) have noxious beliefs that reflect on the candidate, and what the candidate thinks of them.
any further questions,
http://www.algemeiner.com/2016/06/21/document-reveals-omar-mateens-father-tied-to-radical-islamist-groups/
interesting you say that, the russell square slasher, was a fan of one of those released detainees, moazzam begg, who recruited the underwear bomber,
Come on -- no way would they have placed him in camera view if they knew who he was. Get real.
"We've been cooperating with the federal government" Umm. no. Or will wifey show up any moment now?
It's Dem circle-squaring: Muslim terror and homophobic violence must not be allowed to bolster "Islamophobia" or anti-immigrant measures. Logically, of course, the circle cannot be squared, since Muslims are far more anti-gay than any other groups. But in the hierarchy of Others Muzzies now come first, and tactful silence and MSM complicity will do the rest.
no way would they have placed him in camera view if they knew who he was. Get real.
So.....in other words, Hillary and her team are totally clueless, incompetent and unable to verify the identity of anyone they place behind their candidate. Whoooo..... good thing he wasn't a rabid NRA member with a CC permit.
:-D
Just imagine the media firestorm if Dylan Roof's parents appeared behind Trump at a campaign rally.
This is another of those moments I wish I were a billionaire. I would so troll the media with this.
You know, for a fact, if this guy were caught sitting behind Trump in a rally, it'd be front page news for days. And the talk of every Sunday talk show. Maybe even for two or three Sundays.
But because it's a Democrat, well, it's understandable. Accidents happen. We can explain. Nothing to see here. Move along. Why are the crazy eighties making a big deal of this? Let's ask Trump why they are talking about this. Let's focus on the secondary story here about the reaction.
David Duke supports Donald Trump and I'm supposed to draw conclusions about Donald Trump on that basis.
The father of mass murder/terrorist Mateen supports Hillary Clinton--why wouldn't I draw conclusions about Hillary Clinton on that basis?
Isn't it funny that guilt by association is only supposed to apply SOME of the time?
When is Hillary going to denounce the endorsement of the terrorist's father?
It means largely nothing but the optics still suck.
you note how no one cared about bullying, until the shooting back started,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3725136/Russell-Square-knifeman-stabbed-American-tourist-death-devastated-husband-tried-kill-THREE-times-year.html
It would mean something but not at Hillary's rally. Nothing matters there except propping up the decrepid old sow.
The father is a seriously weird man.
Even the Clinton campaign is not stupid enough to deliberately put this guy in such a prominent position.
And Hillary can't be too comfortable with guys like this sitting 40 feet behind her.
Why is everyone so quick to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't know who he is?
I bet they knew exactly who the guy was. The Democrats are all about identity politics. This is a wink wink nudge nudge to what they believe are their Muslim allies. This didn't happen by mistake. They were just hoping we wouldn't notice.
This is a continuation of Hillary's email strategy:
I'm not evil just really stupidly mind-bendingly incompetent!
As applied to this special event:
My team isn't aligned with an evil pro-Jihad dad, they are just really neglectful about vetting any Muslim.
And yet she's running to be an EXECUTIVE. Trust her!
Does this perhaps reflect on how well she vetted Huma way back when?
It is testimony to the demented state of our political discourses that anyone cares about this at all. Or that anyone takes Drudges headlines seriously about anything. Or especially that anyone thinks Drudge will fail to do whatever he can to smear Hillary and promote Trump. I say this as someone who may not vote for Hillary even though I think Trump is an unparalleled disaster for this country and for Republicans in particular. Hillary is despicable. Trump is far more despicable. Drudge is most despicable of all - though fortunately of no relevance to anything much in his majestic awfulness.
As to Eric's query: "Why is everyone so quick to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't know who he is?" Well, Eric, perhaps its because a few here, at least, do in fact know the difference between what they know and what they do not know. As DR might have put, what you need to worry about are those who do not know what they do not know.
no he's a sincere salafi, they believe fervently, we don't in any in particular, as the good professor's favorite candidate put it to rick warren 'it's above my pay grade,'
The Drill SGT said...
'The man, Seddique Mateen, tried to avoid being noticed.'
That's a crock.
Oh, I dunno. Whenever I don't want to be noticed I go to a place with big crowds and thousands of cameras. It's no fun not being noticed in the living room because there's usually only one person to not notice me.
John Podhoretz 20 minutes ago said...
"Obviously, I am for Dukakis" -- Willie Horton
Blogger Mike said...
This is a continuation of Hillary's email strategy:
I'm not evil just really stupidly mind-bendingly incompetent!
As applied to this special event:
My team isn't aligned with an evil pro-Jihad dad, they are just really neglectful about vetting any Muslim.
And yet she's running to be an EXECUTIVE. Trust her!
We are going to bring in tens of thousands of refugees from dangerous parts of the world, but you can trust us with vetting them. Really. Trust us.
But if someone gets in and kills a bunch of people, well hey, remember that whole email thing? We warned you we were incompetent.
The rally was in Kissimmee, Florida, and caused a little confusion for the candidate. Hillary asked Huma, "Where exactly are we?" Huma answered, "Kissimmee." Hillary said, "Not with all these people watching."
I cannot wait to hear npr explain how this optic actually hurts trump and shows trump is a racist
I just realized that the sign on podium says "stronger together" so it makes perfect sense...anti gay, Taliban terrorist dad plus gays and liberals equals democrat party
Because stronger together
That is a really big tent
Rob wins.
Burack,
Hillary is despicable. Trump is far more despicable.
I know what I don't know, so I'll ask you to explain that remark before I comment further. By what standard?
Trump has gotten endorsements from the heads of the Klan and Nazi groups all over the country. The shooter's father showing up at one of Clinton's rallies and being seated right in front smacks of dirty tricks, we'll see.
Jon Burack said...
Hillary is despicable. Trump is far more despicable.
8/9/16, 10:43 AM
And why do you think that? What has Trump done that even comes close to what Hillary has done? Oh sure, Trump says a lot of dumb stuff, so does Hillary. The difference is that Hillary has held the reins of power and shown that she is not only incompetent but willfully destructive and negligent with that power in order to enrich herself. Compared to Hillary, Trump is a piker.
Trump is the worst choice possible, except for Hillary (by a country mile).
Regarding the debate schedule, check the Baseball playoffs schedule for, say, 2015. Between the two sports, there's always something conflicting.
If the Clinton campaign staff decided Mateen senior belonged on the stage so close to the candidate, I hope they frisked him pretty carefully.
If Hillary cannot vet a terrorist's dad in her VIP seats, how can she vet 10k Syrian "refugees"?
where could he have gotten such a notion, read further,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/09/belgian-police-hunting-teenager-who-pledged-to-kill-all-christia/
Unknown said: The shooter's father showing up at one of Clinton's rallies and being seated right in front smacks of dirty tricks, we'll see.
Ooooh..... a double blind backflip insider move by the Trump campaign to assign the seating at the Hillary event to make her look like an incompetent, confused, doddering, Muslim terrorists supporter. With the added bonus of making her campaign staff into utter fools.
Man. That Trump is one heck of a player. Not quite the smooth operator of Manaofort caliber. But still, the finesse to be able to get inside the Hillary campaign and manipulate it for his own advancement. I dunno.....I sort of like the idea of that much competence in the White House.
Or..or...OR...maybe the other tin foil hat conspiracy theory. The Russians did it!!! Yeah!!!! that's it. Not only have the Russians hacked the emails of every democrat everywhere, they have moles in the Hillary campaign.
/facepalm
This is the kind of slip-up you get when you assign all hands to man the server room to watch for break-ins to the servers.
Trump has gotten endorsements from the heads of the Klan and Nazi groups all over the country.
I'd like to see proof of this, bad Unknown. While your at it list all the domestic terrorists and their organizations that have endorsed Hillary, OK? Don't forget that Omar Mateen didn't just show up yesterday, the father and enabler of a mass murderer ENDORSED Clinton on TV while still blaming the deaths on the club goers' sexual ID! Sweet.
Two ex-Klan, one of whom heads the Nazi Party in USA, have endorsed Trump. Two. Not wackos from all over. Two wackos. Both rejected immediately by Trump. Has Hillary yet rejected Omar?
Holy cow! I can't believe this man would actually show his face in public again. He's supporting a female, pro choice, pro gay marriage candidate. It's so odd...
"Has Hillary yet rejected Omar?" For that matter, has she rejected all Muslim anti-Semitism and homophobia?
The criterion, of course, is: pro-Dem or anti-Dem? Homophobic, pro-Taliban Salafist is OK if pro-Dem (good Muslim! put him on the stage!); otherwise, not.
Elective abortion, class diversity, selective exclusion, trickle-up poverty, progressive wars, anti-native factions, scientific mysticism, and male chauvinism under the Pro-Choice Church led by the female chauvinists' candidate. Dysfunctional.
Yes, it is very odd. Odd that he was placed right behind Clinton. Odd that he is supporting her at all. Extremely odd. He was not invited to the event.
Or..or...OR...maybe the other tin foil hat conspiracy theory. The Russians did it!!! Yeah!!!! that's it. Not only have the Russians hacked the emails of every democrat everywhere, they have moles in the Hillary campaign.
Business insider is reporting today that wikileaks is offering $20k to information that leads to the arrest of the murderer DNC staffer, Seth Rich.
Was he the one who leaked the emails?
A reporter noticed him, and he just said "We've been cooperating with the federal government, and that's about it. Thank you."
Not really satisfying. In my opinion, the best public statement from family members of a mass murderer in recent years was the statement of the family of Cho Seunghui, perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre.
She is not at full meltdown yet but we can see it coming from here.
and in the next ring of the circus,
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-new-batch-hillary-clinton-emails/
Ohhhh Hillary is in sooooo much trouble!
"She is not at full meltdown yet but we can see it coming from here."
The Polls Aren’t Skewed: Trump Really Is Losing Badly. 538.
How is David Duke the equal opposite of Mateen? Duke had KKK beginnings. Don't think he killed anybody. Mateen's son killed 49, most of them gays. Not equal. Mateen is much worse.
Colluding with Wikileaks that is publishing emails hacked by Russia? Oh this is interesting. I'd love to see where this goes.
Trump ally Roger Stone confirmed that he was in communication with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange about the controlled release of hacked Clinton documents.
Speaking on Tuesday to the Southwest Broward Republican Organization, Stone was asked, “With regard to the October surprise, what would be your forecast on that given what Julian Assange has intimated he’s going to do?”
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-ally-roger-stone-claims-to-be-colluding-with-wikileaks-to-torpedo-clintons-campaign/
Nothing political brings a smile to me so easily as people who crow about polls this far out!
"Carter up 30 over Reagan"
"Dukakis polls stronger than Bush"
"Hillary has a lead!"
Hee hee.
"We don't want nobody nobody sent afterall..."
Mary hon, you will soon be deleted, so will this comment in response to you. It looks like Althouse doesn't want your sort around here, lol.
"Yes, it is very odd. Odd that he was placed right behind Clinton. Odd that he is supporting her at all. Extremely odd. He was not invited to the event."
Odd that you know who was or was not invited. So odd it is almost perverse.
Care to share the source of this insider knowledge?
Mr. Mateen is as much a lefty hero as Khizr Khan and that Muslim Olympic fencer who feels unsafe in America despite being armed with sword.
what you expect truth from the times, the journal (meckler), f chuck, all asked for dnc approval before filing their stories,
"Trump supporter with crowbar attacks unarmed black man."
I'm just practicing writing MSM headlines; the words are all correct, and their order is close enough for MSM work.
The basic difference between Duke, Nazis, and Klan members (for a century, the Dem party's armed foot soldiers) and the Orlando shooter's father is that he was invited to sit behind her. Trump has tens of millions of supporters. So does Crooked Hillary. They can't control if a couple on each side are nut cases. What they can control is who they allow to sit behind them, in the camera's view, at a rally, or in public. They can control who they essentially endorse. Pretending that these two situations are the same is using false equivalents, which the Dems are masters at. They aren't the same, and anyone who tries to convince you that they are here is either too dumb to understand the logical fallacy of false equivalents, or is a Crooked Hillary (probably paid) shill.
Unknown (11:13am):
"Trump has gotten endorsements from the heads of the Klan and Nazi groups all over the country." No link, just the assertion. Is he just assuming, or has he done any research? I'm going to guess the former. After all, Unknown (probably the same Unknown - too bad the lazy bastards can't be bothered to distinguish themselves) stated as fact (12:31pm) that Seddique Mateen "was not invited to the event", which he cannot possibly know for a fact.
What kind of evidence do I want? Something like this: Eight years ago, Esquire took the trouble to check what racists thought about Obama and McCain. Surprise! Three of the four white racists endorsed Obama, while the black supremacist endorsed McCain. Here's the link, which has appeared here before. I know I've quoted it before, but I think I got the link from YoungHegelian.
Ball's in your court, 'Unknown'. Of course, even if you can prove your statement, it will prove nothing. Absolutely no one thought Obama was disqualified from the Presidency because the leaders of White Aryan Resistance and the American Nazi Party endorsed him. Why should Trump be held to a higher standard? Hint: "because I'm being paid to hold him to a higher standard" is not an adequate answer.
Don't feed the Hillatroll, wittingly or unwittingly, as I did earlier. I find it easier just to skip reading Unknown posts. Kind of like junk mail. A waste of time.
mt:
I didn't write that for the paid troll, but for other readers who will (if they're honest) be delighted to hear about the Nazis endorsing Obama.
"Yes, it is very odd. Odd that he was placed right behind Clinton. Odd that he is supporting her at all. Extremely odd."
Not odd at all. You leftists and Islamic terrorists are joined at the hip.
Own it.
There's an old saying, probably in the Bible, that says it's a sin to visit the sins of the father upon the sons.
The same should hold for the sins of the sons: don't visit them upon the father.
But you can still say the father is a dick in his own right. Just like that Khan dick.
I'd like to see this Mateen daddy thoroughly dry-cleaned. Let's see what he's got going on. Who is he? What does he have in his closet? Maybe he's a homosexual. Maybe he takes bribes. What's there?
As the Father Goes, so Goes the Family
What God is saying is that if a father misleads his family, the family will pay for it. Each will have to pay for their own sins but the father could have prevented many of the sins that his children and grandchildren would fall into had he led his family in obedience to the Law of God. The effects of this fatherly mismanagement would be felt by multiple generations because what has been sown will be reaped because God cannot be mocked (Gal 6:7). God is not punishing the children for their father’s sins but they are feeling the consequences and having to pay for them. That is what God means in Exodus 20 and 34. These verses deal with the descendants of those children who would follow their father’s example of disobedience but each one of us are ultimately responsible for our own sins and this is what Ezekiel 18 and Deuteronomy 24 is saying. The father’s disobedience to God’s commandments have a ripple effect that keep on going until some other father in his lineage breaks that cycle.
God Doesn’t Punish Innocent Children
We cannot read these verses by themselves. Anytime there is an unclear passage we must read other plain passages so that we can clarify the unclear. In the first place, those who are too young to know good from evil cannot be responsible for knowing and obeying God. Jeremiah addresses this question in chapter 16:10-13 “Why has the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? What is our iniquity? What is the sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?’ then you shall say to them: ‘Because your fathers have forsaken me, declares the Lord, and have gone after other gods and have served and worshiped them, and have forsaken me and have not kept my law, and because you have done worse than your fathers, for behold, every one of you follows his stubborn, evil will, refusing to listen to me. Therefore I will hurl you out of this land into a land that neither you nor your fathers have known, and there you shall serve other gods day and night, for I will show you no favor.’”
God says that those who disobey God cannot blame their fathers because sometimes they “have done worse than [their] fathers” did, therefore they will have to pay for their own iniquities because God says that “every one of you follows his stubborn, evil will, refusing to listen to me.” There is a connect to the disobedience of the previous fathers though because they were worshiping other gods which are not gods at all and this is breaking all three of the first of the Ten Commandments.
Jesus Addresses Parental Sins
John 9:1-3 “As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.”
Guildofcannonballs, thank you for the guidance.
mt:
I didn't write that for the paid troll, but for other readers who will (if they're honest) be delighted to hear about the Nazis endorsing Obama.
Oh, I know, Weevil! My reminder wasn't directed at you but just to the bloggers at large.
GoC, so the apple doesn't fall far from the tree?
--Good Unknown
The father believes that gay people should be thrown off of buildings and/or shot to death. The father believes women who have sex outside marriage are adulterers and should be stoned to death. The father believes in killing apostates and infidels.
How do I know this? He is a Muslim and he believes in shariah law. This person is accepted by Hillary Clinton.
The people on the stage behind the candidate are a selected group. The question is: how was Mateen selected? This Mateen failure reminds me of the server security failure. Hillary has this weird mixture of tight control - no questions, no hecklers - and no control at all - the anti-gay father of a terrorist immediately behind her as she condemns that father's son and his anti-gay terrorism. If there was one person who should not have been that close at that time for those remarks it was Omar Mateen's father. But there he was.
@wildswan The people on the stage behind the candidate are a selected group. The question is: how was Mateen selected? This Mateen failure reminds me of the server security failure. Hillary has this weird mixture of tight control - no questions, no hecklers - and no control at all - the anti-gay father of a terrorist immediately behind her as she condemns that father's son and his anti-gay terrorism. If there was one person who should not have been that close at that time for those remarks it was Omar Mateen's father. But there he was.
Straining at gnats and swallowing camels.
Commenters keep saying that Mateen killed 50 or so in the Pulse nightclub shooting.
That seems to be incorrect. What I have heard is that almost all the deaths were caused by police bullets, not Mateen's bullets.
That is not to say that Mateen is not mostly responsible for the deaths. Had he not been there threatening the police would have had no reason to open fire.
But it looks like he did not pull the trigger on most, perhaps all, of the deaths.
John Henry
What I have heard is that almost all the deaths were caused by police bullets
Almost all? What is the source? What I've read is that some were killed by police but not most.
Second letter request for a source. John Henry, what are you talking about? I don't deny what you're saying but I never heard it. I did hear that the biker shootout Waco was probably largely police shooting bikers. But I have no data on that either although apparently the report is out now.
Supposedly the "autopsy reports" of the 50 dead have been
"released". The media reports that they were shot 200 times, and that is without counting the shots at the injured. Extrapolating a reasonable Number of those shots between 100 and 200, that means that 300-400 shots were fired, which would require 10- 14 30 round magazines. Mateen's autopsy supposedly claims that he was wearing a "plaid shirt" and "beige slacks". So where did he keep all the magazines filled with ammo? Or where did he carry 300-400 bullets, and how does he walk into the club carrying the sig. semi auto?
Supposedly the FBI report states that no one died before 5:13 AM when the SWAT broke a hole in the wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a6EAayIgq0
The autopsy report also says that the number of people killed by the Police is "undetermined", even though ballistics reports would surely tell them that. Supposedly Mateen was almost immediately confronted by a security guard, and retreated to the bathrooms, and no other shots were fired until 5:13 AM.
So in the first few minutes Mateen killed 50 people and injured 53, and fired 300-400 shots?
If there were any "killings" how many were by the police?
Where is the pic of the Perp under a tarp outside?
Where is the CCTV that the FBI supposedly says it has?
Where are the texts and facebook entries that Mateen supposedly sent?
Where is the wife, Noor Salman, a possible material witness to 103 "shootings"? You mean she just walked away? And why does the media ask NOT ONE question about her whereabouts?
Where are the multitude of ambulances needed to take away injured or dying victims?
Did you know that it was the Orange Co. Medical Examiner's first day on the job?
Does S. Mateen look like a grieving father to you? Do grieving fathers go to political rallies?
Where is his son's wife?
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