July 7, 2016
"I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago and then you’d be good and better and I’d be good and better."
Said Roger Ailes to Gretchen Carlson, according to her sexual harassment lawsuit.
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I thought all you lawyers were big on "allegedly" for any perp, even if quoting a witness statement.
Her ratings were awful and she was dragging down the afternoon lineup, says Imus.
One brainless bimbo among many, is my opinion. Who watches this crap? The eternal question.
I have no idea about Ailes. I'd doubt he's impressed by women. It's a business.
"I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago (when you were at the peak of your beauty and mystery and before Time brought you down from the mystic) and then you’d be good and better and I’d be good and better."
I added the Mailersque parenthetical.
I am Laslo.
I've never heard anyone use the phrase "good and better".
I've seen enough BS sex harassment allegations (not just unproven, but proven to be BS) to be generally skeptical, so I'll wait and see how this one plays out. Let's see what evidence and testimony come out on this (if it's not settled early).
This means Roger's current pet it girl, Megyn Kelly, is safe until she ages.He never ages.
Roger wants to keep up with Ruppert who just bought him another it girl. The old Lions must keep their female prides under control, or just go off and die.
Wikipedia tells me she used to be Miss America and that she's relatively short, something of an overachiever, then.
An internet image search tells me she has the sort of looks that suggest a sexual relationship would largely involve her administering oral sex, to be followed by coitus in the well-established positions, then she gets on her knees and the man stands above her, masturbates, and then ejaculates on her face.
Game over.
Unless she has better evidence than in the Complaint, she's sunk. Just a single one-on-one conversation is weak tea.
And I like Gretchen on TV.
And Steve Doocey plays the clown on TV. He's just a goof.
But what many are now thinking is that Megyn Kelly et alia slept their way to the top. Unfair to all concerned.
Not saying it isn't true but if her ratings were a lot higher, then the allegations would be more credible.
That...just doesn't seem like the way someone would talk while propositioning someone.
Note that she didn't have issues when she had a contract. Her sex appeal was an asset then.
No contract renewal? Then I'm been mistreated.
sorry, I'd believe her more if she filed after getting a new contract...
For shame, Eric the Fruit Bat, you transgressive leathern-winged megachiropteran!
I certainly hope no unmedicated paranoid feminists monitor this blog.
Said Roger Ailes to Gretchen Carlson
Probably not, but otherwise so what? Trivial.
Surely Gretchen Carlson should have been able to outrun Roger Ailes?
I'd believe her more if she filed after getting a new contract...
I'd believe her more if she had not included that bogus quotation in her suit.
Quaestor: See davidthompson.typepad.com if you need pointers to unmedicated feminists.
Roger is just jealous of Donald Trump. No one ever said publicly ," That was the best sex I ever had " about Roger Ailes. Privately all the time on his casting couch.
But obviously Megyn learned how to fake admiration for powerful men and good got better for her. And she gets to take
out her anger on Trump. Gretchen sues the bastards.
Convenient timing. This distancing from Fox opens up a large percentage of potential new employers who would normally consider her prior employment disqualifying.
What would be considered mild flirtation in someone who looks like, say, Robert Redford, comes across as sexual harassment when acted out by someone who looks like Roger Ailes. From the looks of him, Roger has some impulse control problems, but they're probably more directed at the pastry cart than at the on-air talent.......The charges have some credibility, and you can bet that they'll be given far more publicity than the early rape allegations against Bill Cosby. A tactful silence now surrounds David Letterman's improprieties.
The Drill SGT said...
Note that she didn't have issues when she had a contract. Her sex appeal was an asset then.
No contract renewal? Then I'm been mistreated.
sorry, I'd believe her more if she filed after getting a new contract...
She could be just another rice bowler throwing a strike.
Jeezums Eric, did you work for the Clinton PR machine at some point?
Gretchen is one of those miserable germanic names that warp personalities. It's like Gudrun or Brunhilda.
Bill Clinton is lucky to have you guys in his corner.
Bill Clinton is lucky to have you guys in his corner - ARM
I agree with you. It's disheartening to me, but I am sure Hillary is loving it.
Megyn Kelly explains it for you.
I am Laslo.
So a guy can't even make a simple observation or state an opinion any more!
Also, as there does not appear to be any sort of statute of limitations on this sort of thing, can I bring suit against the 8 year old girl that kissed me on the playground when I was in first grade? She NEVER asked my permission! She just ran up to me, professed her love and kissed me on the cheek and than ran off! I [now] feel so violated! In addition, as I was underage at the time, this might qualify as statutory rape! Where is MY justice?
Sure, I am just a cis-normal, hetero male BUT that was not known at the time (as I was so young, my sexuality was still forming) and [based on current rules] that could still change!
Where is MY justice?!?
People say "if only we had been lovers..." Or "if only we had slept together..." Or "what we needed was a good f***"
They don't make oddly clinical statements about a putative "sexual relationship." That only works when you are drafting a complaint and want to make sure you allege specific facts for your cause of action.
First, there is a presumption of innocence in civilized societies. Second, the female chauvinist political movement has created a presumption of fraud. Furthermore, in light of the State-established Pro-Choice Church, it would be unreasonable and irrational to accept the allegations on face value.
Much of what people are speculating about is contained in her complaint.
Mr. Ailes quoted comment was not made in an effort to proposition her. It was made at the end of things after she had refused him repeatedly. She also addressed the issue of ratings. She says she was moved to the afternoon show as punishment for refusing Ailes. She had more work, being the sole host, for less pay. Despite this, she says she steadily improved the ratings of her time slot. It would be unusual for her lawyers to put that in the complaint if it were not true since it is easily verifiable.
The weakest parts of her complaint were the accusations against Doocy. She described as "sexual harassment" his ignoring her and treating her as less than a full team member - "mocking" and "shunning" her off camera. Upsetting, sure, but how it that "sexual?" Then again, I'm no lawyer.
"But what many are now thinking is that Megyn Kelly et alia slept their way to the top. Unfair to all concerned."
Women have a strong herd instinct too so there might be more Fox women sharing their stories of sexual harassment.
Move on!
This is just personal relationship and I'd no one's business. If Ailes lies under oath then no big deal because everyone lies about sex.
-- Every Democrat
AReasonableMan said...
Bill Clinton is lucky to have you guys in his corner.
Apparently ARM doesn't believe there's a difference between incidents which did happen and incidents which didn't. Revealing.
Life, if you're good at it, is one long sexual advertisement. True harrassment as opposed to "answering the ad" is an entirely different thing than what I'm reading between the lines.
He suggesting elliptically she'd be feeling "good" and her career "better" if they frolic. He may really feel her onscreen presence improves if she's sexual. A tv network is surely a sublimated pack mentality so controlled by the alpha male. A female out of sync with that tribe-- and Sarah Palin also comes under Ailes' sexist scrutiny-- invites his 'medicine'.
The conservative movement is coming apart at the seems. All of the rats are jumping ship! Lovin' it!
Does Trump in his speeches even use the word "conservative"? Does he speak about conservative principles or solutions? Does he ever talk about reducing the size of government?
Sorry hillbillies but your party is fucked.
Unless she has something in writing or other people who can corroborate her accusation, it's just he said, she said. In the old days, the burden of proof was on the claimant. Today, a woman's accusation is the conviction. A man is automatically guilty until proven innocent and it's almost impossible to prove yourself innocent.
Ailes is a pig. Fry his bacon.
I have always felt that a man cannot seek a sexual relationship with Gretchen Carlson and get it simply because he wants it.
I think that he can seek the sexual relationship and obtain it only when Gretchen Carlson requires what he may have to offer.
"Unless she has something in writing or other people who can corroborate her accusation, it's just he said, she said. In the old days, the burden of proof was on the claimant. Today, a woman's accusation is the conviction. A man is automatically guilty until proven innocent and it's almost impossible to prove yourself innocent."
Well, if it makes it to trial it'll come down to who gives more believable testimony (in the absence of other evidence, or the claim failing to survive a motion for summary judgment). FOX may have reason to fight this one out rather than settle if they're worried about their reputation and believe they can defeat this at trial.
I've never heard anyone use the phrase "good and better"
Maybe he said good, and bed her.
"Maybe he said good, and bed her."
Or "I'll get you good and wetter."
He's just channeling his inner Proust -- reaching back, looking for a long lost past when life could have taken a different path but didn't. The sort of thing an old man would say.
Just as a philosophical question, would you say that boner pills increase or diminish the challenges of aging? My guess is that for men of wealth and power they are definitely a complicating factor. For the rest of us not so much. If a tree or other form of wood grows in the forest and no one is around does it ever really happen.
The conservative movement is coming apart at the seems. All of the rats are jumping ship!
OWT displays more symptoms of his dementia praecox (as if any more was needed) Loving it!
Does Trump in his speeches even use the word "conservative"?
Maybe that's because Trump isn't a Conservative. And all Republicans aren't Conservatives as everyone except Lefties know.
Hillary/Soros, Don't pay "Once written, twice" for today's comments. They're pathetic.
The conservative movement is coming apart at the seems.
So it appears.
They should program a virtual reality computer game called Entertainment Honcho. It could have many variations. In the Hollywood version, you could get to play around with under aged children. In the Fox version, you get to fool around with the on air talent. The Fox version would appeal to an older, better educated demographic. I would definitely choose the Fox version, but the David Letterman VR would have definite possibilities. To increase verisimilitude and suspense, I would incorporate a high powered lawyer into the game. But here's the kicker. She's very attractive and wants her own show. If the player plays the joy stick properly, she can be maneuvered into a threesome with the plaintiff, or alternately, you lose the suit and game over.....I'm sure that in th future VR games will become immeasurably better, and reality will continue to suck.
Never knew Gretchen was a former Miss America.
Naturally, I went to the Wikipedia page for Miss America winners, to see who the other three winners might be, with whom Roger Ailes claimed to have had sex. At 76, Ailes requires going back a great many years.
Somebody -- knowing that I am a frequent viewer, and frequent critic of FNC -- asked me if Gretchen was a major player at FNC. I told her I barely ever saw her. That she was third-string. That is partly because I watch so little morning/daytime tv.
If they didn't fire Bill O'Reilly for wanting to lather up a producer's naked body in the shower with a "falafel" [sic-"loofah"] -- and being caught on audiotape making the suggestion -- they sure as hell aren't going to fire Roger Ailes for suggesting that it would have been a really great idea for Gretchen to have considered having sex with Ailes.
The conservative movement is coming apart at the seems(sic)
Good thing it's not the seams, then.
I'd like to lather up many a woman's naked body in the shower with a falafel. I usually keep that to myself, though.
I don't have any comment on this story other than so far it sounds like "a he said, she said" situation in absence of any other proof. I know little about Roger Ailes and even less about Gretchen Carlson. I never saw her afternoon show and the handful of times I've had the misfortune of catching a few minutes of Fox and Friends I found it to be cringe inducing brainless drivel. Not that all the other morning shows aren't brainless drivel as well, but it's especially insulting since it's supposed to be the only one with the conservative bent. It's like watching an SNL sketch mocking conservative stereotypes, except it's depressingly all too real.
As I've said before, the only shows on FNC that are worth a damn are The Five and Special Report with Bret Baier.
Fox will settle out of court for $7 million
Ah, one of the Fox blonde babes spills the beans about how women are treated over there. Ew, to sex with Roger Ails.
I'd like to lather up many a woman's naked body in the shower with a falafel.
The major problem is that the falafel patty falls apart in the water. It's amazing how well the pita bread holds up under soap & water, however.
Note to self - NEVER open one of Laslo's links while at work...
My father warned me that familiarity breeds attempt.
I mean, yeah; I feel that way about almost all women I'm attracted to, of course.
I don't say it out loud, obviously.
Is that enough to create a hostile work environment? (I'm sure there's much more.)
Women - men who are attracted to you think it'd be a good decision, for you, if you had sex with them, and they certainly think that'd be a good decision for them (complications notwithstanding). Does that make anyone uncomfortable, to realize that? Or is it only uncomfortable when someone says it to you?
Not that it's something that should be said, of course...but it's sort of obviously what most people think most of the time, right? What kind of a loser would you have to be to think "if these women I'm attracted to slept with me it'd be terrible for them?" Even if that's true--and probably most of the time it would be true!--people have higher self-regard than to think that of themselves, right?
Ah, one of the Fox blonde babes spills the beans about how women are treated over there.
I sure would like to know if Unknown has some evidence that no one else does.
Conservative: guilty until proven innocent, because Fox News.
Liberal (Hillary): innocent until proven guilty, but still innocent because Fox News.
"Fox will settle out of court for $7 million"
Indeed, just like O'Reilly/Andrea Mackris.
As the no spin zone marches on ...
Once written, twice...
The conservative movement is coming apart at the seems./
Does Trump in his speeches even use the word "conservative"? Does he speak about conservative principles or solutions? Does he ever talk about reducing the size of government?
What a nice non-sequitur! The conservative movement is falling apart because Trump isn't a conservative...and Trump isn't doing well so that means, ah, conservatism is getting worse?
You're on much better ground when you say the party (as in, GOP) is coming apart, but the evidence of that should be that Trump won the primary but is not a conservative (and the GOP was formerly controlled by the conservative moment, in this telling)...almost the opposite of what you articulate here!
GOP <> conservative, or "conservative movement"
Trump <> conservative
Therefore Trump's failure is a failure of the conservative movement ?!
Anyway enjoy your gloat.
Ah, one of the Fox blonde babes spills the beans about how women are treated over there. Ew, to sex with Roger Ails.
Had she spilled the beans on Bill, we know that Hillary would have been at the forefront of branding her a nut and a slut, isn't that right Unknown?
Did he forcibly rape her the way Bill did Juanita? Did Hillary go up to her afterwards and thank her for her silence?
But the Clintons get their stink on all their supporters, don't they? They pulled the high ground right out from under your feet there, didn't they?
"Fox will settle out of court for $7 million"
Indeed, just like O'Reilly/Andrea Mackris.
As the no spin zone marches on .
You mean like Bill Clinton did with Paula Jones? I gotta hand it to you guys for going there.
I enjoy UnknownInga calling them "blonde babes" while decrying the sexism at Fox.
My irony meter pegged.
traditionalguy said
"Roger wants to keep up with Ruppert (sic) who just bought him another it girl. The old Lions must keep their female prides under control, or just go off and die."
Rupert's new "it girl" is sixty years old.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
One would think that a successful, sophisticated man in his 70's would have a less sophomoric way of trying to get into a younger woman's panties. I learned a long time ago that more the subtle approach ALWAYS works best.
I thought that guys figured that out in time, except for Bill Clinton who was much more of a sexual predator than a loverboy. He liked the direct, sometimes very forceful approach.
t in vt
Another winning pro Fox argument ie ...
but, but, but, Clinton/Clinton/Clinton
I gotta hand it to you guys
rhhardin said.
""The conservative movement is coming apart at the seems.""
"So it appears."
I see what you did .. and I appreciate it.
"blonde babes"
Stating the obvious, although a more accurate description ~ blonde babe airheads!
Indeed, not a lot of "ugly" women on tv, period! Go figure.
Hagar said:
"Surely Gretchen Carlson should have been able to outrun Roger Ailes?"
The last story I read about Ailes claimed he was so infirm and old, he had to use a walker to get around and spent most of his time in Florida. If that is true, I'd bet on Gretchen too in a foot race.
but, but, but, Clinton/Clinton/Clinton - shiloh
Have you seen me defend Fox or Ailes anywhere? But one is looking to hold the highest office in the land and put a forcible rapist in an office in the West Wing, and the other is a private business.
So yeah CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON!
You do know that Broaddrick have five contemporaneous witnesses, including her friend that walked into her hotel room and found her crying and bleeding with torn panty hose, right?
You do know that Bill refused to release his schedule for that day?
Not sure why we should forget the facts that are on record here.
t in vt
Psychiatric care is available. It probably won't help you, but it is available.
shilo, if you think I am delusional, here is a simple task for you, point out any false statements that I have made.
This story is depressing.
There are so many good looking women at Fox News and Gretchen isn't one of them.
"Indeed, not a lot of "ugly" women on tv, period! Go figure."
I've noticed the last few years that there are more and more full figure woman on local TV which is a trend I don't like, however sexist.
The Politico article is full of insinuation. "it took 7 hours for Fox to respond", "no full throated defense from Foxies", "anonymous source says",
ho-hum, Politico's credibility is scant to start with, unlikely they'll stir more than the usual lefty goofballs.
Female chauvinism's political ambitions, the resumption of abortion rites (and Planned Parenthood), the frequent cries of fraud, and the State-established Pro-Choice Church have been detrimental to women's rights and human relationships.
That said, despite the Press and Justice's involvement, I hope that justice can be served.
The fun part is going to be watching Fox report on this story. Or not.
I just pictured Roger Ailes naked-gross.
He looks so much like a republican.
I don't think offenses such as sexual harassment or adultery have anything to do with political orientation. Republicans or Democrats are just as likely to fall astray. I do think, however, that Republican offenses in such areas are far more likely to be publicized and mocked. The Democratic claims that Republicans are hypocritical about sexual morality are, in a meta sense, hypocritical.......Research has shown that women discriminate against men who are old, bald, and obese. My heart goes out to a man like Roger Ailes who has been so overtly discriminated against for so many years, especially by Miss America winners. Was this sexual harassment or an inarticulate protest against the callous treatment that was inflicted on him?
The stuff about Doocy and Kilmeade is minor. They have to banter; it’s what they get paid to do. That and a multitude of chef and food segments. But here’s what drew my eye:
At times, quotes that seem lifted verbatim, as if from a recording, appear in the lawsuit, prompting many media watchers to wonder whether Carlson’s lawyers have recordings of Ailes.
If she has him on tape he’s screwed. If he said what she’s alleging he said he deserves to be screwed.
I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago and then you’d be good and better and I’d be good and better," adding that "sometimes problems are easier to solve” that way.
As others have pointed out, the phrasing is atypical. And that is why it sounds authentic to me – atypical phrasing is common in ordinary speech.
I think they have insurance for this kind of thing. If not they should.
Republican sex scandals rarely involve any sex.
Hillary could have hardly timed this better to help reinforce her war on women theme.
Fox will be calling her allegations baseless, Republican men will be demeaning herlooks and calling it a joke, and Hillary barely has to say a thing to make her point.
grackle: Yes, I thought the exact same thing about the phrasing of the quotes in the Complaint. Sounds like she was recording Ailes. I'd be surprised if she didn't. New York (where I presume they all work) and New Jersey (where Ailes resides, and where the lawsuit has been filed are both one-party consent states. That is, a party to a conversation on the phone or in person can record that conversation and not tell the other party, without violating state wiretapping laws.
And yet, as I mentioned above, Bill O'Reilly was on tape, too. With a FNC producer, no less. (Not just some ordinary Manhattan bar floozie.) So it was definitively a workplace-harassment situation. Although O'Reilly may not have been her direct supervisor in fact. (Interestingly, O'Reilly was quoted as saying that Ailes would essentially have his back and she'd get fired by Ailes if she told anybody about BillO.)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/oreilly-falafel-suit-turns-five
And basically nothing happened to O'Reilly, discipline-wise, at FNC.
Hillary could have hardly timed this better to help reinforce her war on women theme. - Mark
Yes, let's everyone start talking about sexual harassment lawsuits! That will help Hilary!
President Clinton reached an out-of-court settlement with Paula Jones yesterday, agreeing to pay her $850,000 to drop the sexual harassment lawsuit that led to the worst political crisis of his career and only the third presidential impeachment inquiry in American history. - Washington Post
I Callahan said
"Conservative: guilty until proven innocent, because Fox News.
Liberal (Hillary): innocent until proven guilty, but still innocent because Fox News."
To be clear, Democrats are still considered innocent even when obviously guilty, both Clintons for example.
Michelle Fields can back me up!--Gretchen.
Tim, if Fox News decides to focus on Bill's sexual issues of the 1980's while ignoring Roger Ailes' current lawsuit that's not going to work as well as you think.
But go ahead and try.
I would also suggest you take a look at this very thread for some perfect examples of objectification that will also sink your case. Sexists making a big deal about Paula Jones are pretty easy to see through.
I would also suggest you take a look at this very thread for some perfect examples of objectification that will also sink your case. Sexists making a big deal about Paula Jones are pretty easy to see through.
LOL, Paula Jones was "no big deal" Juanita Broaddrick, "no big deal." We can go on and on about the "no big deal" thing all you want. And what does Fox News have to do with any of it? Who cares what Fox News says about it? We all know they can't be trusted on this issue.
Bill Clinton--Blow me or you'll be looking for another job tomorrow.
Roger Ailes--We should have had sex a long time ago when I could have found my penis. Good and Plenty!
Yeah, Fox News can never talk about the Democrats sex scandals again. Stupid Lefties.
But Mark knows that Fox News is the only outlet that would ever even discuss the true history of the Clintons' "complicated" history with sexual harassment, assault, and rape. So he may be right there.
Who makes a "big deal" out of forcible rape by a man who is going to have an office in the White House? Not Mark! Not Democrats!
Roger wants to keep up with Ruppert who just bought him another it girl.
A 60-year-old "It Girl" -- bully for her.
Roger Ailes has a long way to go to catch up to Bubba.
"This story is depressing.
There are so many good looking women at Fox News and Gretchen isn't one of them."
Who would have thought that Roger Ailes had such low self-esteem that he would sexually harass one of his least attractive employees.
He was talking to Shep.
No contract renewal? Then I'm been mistreated.
She claims she met with Ailes to complain about harassment, and then was dropped when her contract came up for renewal.
If she doesn't have witnesses or a recording or other support from women who've had the same problem she's going to have a hard time selling this, particularly with the low ratings.
I've noticed the last few years that there are more and more full figure woman on local TV which is a trend I don't like, however sexist.
Klavan 7/6 podcast on Star Wars listener question
My feeling is that all female heroines are Mary-Sue's [=perfect in every way] at this point, to be perfectly honest with you. The minute they start fighting and beating up men and knocking and punching men and man goes flying across the room I just think like that's not what women do and that's not where their super-powers are. I'm perfectly happy to follow a female heroine if I can at least relate to her, plus, it doesn't help women, because the funny thing about women is that they look at Barbie and think "I don't have a nice body," Men look at Superman and think "You know, I'm just like that." The insecurity comes from within, so I don't think it helps. But I really think that Mary-Sue's are a actual problem with all heroines in superhero movies especially.
Who ever says "good and better"?
1. It's a term in descriptions of workplace practices e.g.
"Good" - Ethics values are included in the company’s mission statement
"Better" - Company’s leadership leads by example by consistently demonstrating company’s values through actions. (Hmm, Ailes may have been trying to do that)
2. PepsiCo's Hello Goodness™ Vending Initiative Offers Diverse Selection Of Good- And Better-For-You Food And Beverage Products
3. Between Good and Better is a movie described by a reviewer, (who is or is not Laslo's cousin) as:
"This is the story about man who don't know what to do with his life because has almost everything. If man has everything in property than discomposure can come and fall down is incipient! Boris is flying over his life undaunted and unlimited but sudden pain force him to slowdown."
4. "Which road will you take? When it comes to the service industry, specifically the carpet cleaning industry, there is a stark contrast between just good and better." (The White House will be calling them in January)
5. There is a book - People Styles at Work...And Beyond: Making Bad Relationships Good and Good Relationships Better. "At work, and in other spheres of life, how well you relate with others affects your ability to get things done. What you may not realize is that all people exhibit one of several different behavioral “styles,” which determine how they think, make decisions, communicate, manage time and stress, and deal with conflict. By understanding which “people style” you’re dealing with, you can establish rapport with someone more easily, become more persuasive, and avoid miscommunication and the possibility of rubbing someone the wrong way." (So that's what happened)
Your examples of "good and better" as common usage made me envision a drowning man, gasping for air. You need lots of work to be a bullshit artist like Obama.
76 years old? Time for Ailes to retire and enjoy his fortune.
When Roger Ailes has a real chance of sleeping in the White House I'll worry about this. In the meantime the convicted perjurer and sexual harasser Bill Clinton just might.
Mark is trying to keep dreams of the Woman Card alive -- Hillary-ous!
Michelle Fields can back me up!--Gretchen.
LOL!
Its good to see the liberals and MSM finally being concerned about sexual harassment.
Because I thought everyone sexually harassed their employees and lied about it.
Ooops, that was Bill Clinton.
Bad memory.
Carlson's case is a perfect display that sexual harassment is 99% a display of power over a woman to meet a man's ego needs. That is mean and rude and terribly unfair if the woman is married.
Ailes at his age is not seeking a hot afternoon of sex with this married woman. He has a younger Megyn Kelly who will do that. He is simply bullying her with an assertion that she should be sexually submissive to him.
Meanwhile Murdoch recently brought in his son to try to sort of become Ailes' boss. This case is the perfect opportunity for the son to get rid of Big Daddy's main icon that gets all the credit, and he will do it by agreeing to a nice settlement so he can blame the loss on Ailes.
Gretchen has parlayed this into a big payday.
Carlson's case is a perfect display that sexual harassment is 99% bullshit. Those words prove that Ailes is an asshole, not a sexual predator. Verdict: Judgement for Carlson, $100.
Dude, I just told a young, newly college age person to check out this blog and its comments today, and now you go posting this story.
"Hey, mom, you know that site that middle aged lady recommended?"
Laslo is NOT a safe space.
for anyone, really what is the point of moderation, if he can go tasmanian devil at any time?
Removed.
I am Laslo.
Oh if I woulda fucked Roger the Saudi's would have killed him though.
You aren't advocating death by Islam are you?
Artists ought be given leeway they earned, righteously.
Beta earned a bunch, but frankly I didn't trust myself to endorse Ted Cruz until after he lost because of what I think my reputation must be among those I respect. Nothing isn't high--it's impossible--for a standard not known as fearful silence.
I would literally cry if I knew beta started consciously thinking of himself and not The World.
Beta has exhibited more "flow" than most any* man* I've ever read. Truth hurts. Bliss/ignorance calculations. Cursed knowledge.
**I shan't put the word "other" where some may feel it properly lies in the sentence so as to not contribute toward some falsified twisted ideology claiming xenophobic, tribal hatred of the "other" is bad when they do it but not me and us and our kind of folks.
"for anyone, really what is the point of moderation, if he can go tasmanian devil at any time?"
The point is there is no point, just the concept of a point we must define by/of/for ourselves and our kin and progeny, and I thank you for pointing that out so adeptly* Sir.
*I bitch and moan about auto-correct, but it has, and did also so here, saved my hide many a time.
America dies when the furniture re-arrangers of the Titanic Americana influence the Captain's North Star directional guidance through methods described by the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Thanks Ann for seizing on the lowest level story in the news. Carlson got ahead on her looks and sex, and now she is complaining. She is an air head and it doesn't take 5 min of her "opinions" to see that.
I come to this site thinking I will get insightful opinion. Mostly Ann chooses trivia.
Make a safe space for women. Needs a menstruation tag.
Hillary could have hardly timed this better to help reinforce her war on women theme.
...except her husband allegedly raped a woman and she got a rapist off once. It's not a winning argument. Attack Trump over the actions of Ailes, after Trump has lambasted FNC repeatedly, and he'll go back over Bill's indiscretions and her protection and enabling of all of it.
Tim, if Fox News decides to focus on Bill's sexual issues of the 1980's while ignoring Roger Ailes' current lawsuit that's not going to work as well as you think.
Doesn't matter what FOX does. Trump is the issue. He has nothing to do with this, but Hillary is deeply tied to Bill's repeated problems.
...and as we saw with Letterman, it's not like networks don't have these problems and don't routinely ignore them...
Did Ailes do it? Maybe. I'd like to see the evidence.
Damikesc, it's not that they can go against Trump with it, it's that Fox cannot dwell on Bill without clearly being hypocrites.
I would guess most young people are going to look at stories of what Bill did before they were born being delivered by a station with a current harassment culture and see it for the squirrel it is.
Keep telling yourself this is good for the right, just like you tell yourself the polls are wrong. Enjoy the results in November.
and she got a rapist off once
Misguided. You can't convict someone unless it's against the best possible defense.
The best possible defense is necessary.
She didn't have to laugh about getting the rapist off.
Damikesc, it's not that they can go against Trump with it, it's that Fox cannot dwell on Bill without clearly being hypocrites.
Any reason why?
The actions of one employee of the company, no matter how high up, doesn't mean ALL of the employees did it.
"Well, your boss allegedly did the same thing" is an asinine claim to make to any employee. Especially when you're comparing it to a woman who DIRECTLY assisted and protected her husband.
Misguided.
Irrelevant.
Did she do it?
Yes?
Then why the fuck should we try and DEFEND her actions? Does she defend Trump using bankruptcy law to his benefit? No.
Stop fucking shielding her.
She got a rapist off. Period. It's not unfair to mention it. It's not unfair to ask a "feminist" who thinks rape is really awful why did she defend a rapist in court and protect another one who lives in her house? How many other feminists have worked so hard to protect multiple rapists?
"She got a rapist off." So close on that one.
I get the feeling that Althouse is on vacation somewhere.
It's the first sexual harassment in the pluperfect tense.
No aspect is safe.
MadisonMan said...I get the feeling that Althouse is on vacation somewhere.
Probably no electricity. Too many trees around her power lines...
Honda EU2000i is a nice source of electricity. Mine has worked over a decade for use when needed to keep the computers going. After three days of course the phone company substation dies and it's academic, internetwise.
Add Stabil to the gas, if it's a new engine. (Stabil may dislodge gunk in old engines which may plug things up.)
Buy a low wattage microwave, so there's hot food without requiring a high wattage power source.
Am pretty sure all Power has been restored after the big storm two or three nights ago. Still plenty of branches at the sides of roads though.
I don't think I've ever been without power long enough to feel the need to invest in a generator. 30 hours was the longest -- didn't even lose the food in the freezer (this was a summer outage).
But I don't need a/c -- I might feel differently if I lived down south, though my brother in the Deep South doesn't have one, that I know of. Maybe if I were in the middle of the woods somewhere up here and needed power for water. But I don't need power to have water, or to light my stove (which tells you how old my stove is!), so I'm content to endure any power outages.
But this 24-hour Althouse Outage? It's testing my coping abilities :)
I don't think Gretchen was let go because she's a bimbo with fading looks. If that were the pattern at Fox, Shep Smith would have been released years ago.
Laslo, LOL. Didn't mean to step on your writing. Your stories are often loved. Thanks.
Funny thing is that Carlson is not hot and never was. Well, a nice body...butterface! Look at that face! How does that get Miss America? Like a lady ox.
Not sure who you guys are talking about, Gretchen was fetchin'.
Sure, with a bag over her head.
...That's an exaggeration. Not ugly, but hardly beautiful or even interesting. I'd walk over her to get to Maria Bartiromo.
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