Prompting this dialogue at Facebook (in which I am one of the participants):
X: Trump: bringing people together (except his daughter and her friend, who he'd rather keep apart).
Y: I wonder if I could get paid as a Trump translator. I know what he means!
X: What does it say about him if he needs a translator? It's important for the president to communicate!
Y: Seems he's done pretty well with his communicating, but people who oppose him are taking advantage of opportunities to act like they don't understand him. We'll see how these cross-purposes resolve themselves.
Z: This actually makes sense, even if on first hearing it, it doesn't sound right. A lot of what he says, though, just can't be translated into anything a decent person would ever say.
Y: You reverted to pointing at all those other things after you were prompted to observe what makes sense of this one. I challenge you to focus individually on the other things and put them, one by one, through an equivalent effort. There must be a name for the logical fallacy you are committing here. Think about it. You believe there is a pile of evidence that X is true, and when you examine one item, it doesn't show X is true, so you point to that pile. It's over there....
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Concealed evidence is the best kind.
PC is not saying what you know. It doesn't keep you from knowing it and doesn't try to.
Intimidation is the point.
The pile is the intimidation.
As for fallacy, guys already like Trump. Logic isn't the problem.
Excellent. That's indeed an important fallacy. I've observed it in some climate change discussions, especially about particular parts of the field. About the Hockey Stick in particular, Steve McIntyre (climateaudit.org) has done a outstanding job of detailed devastating critiques of every proxy study that claims to show a hockey stick, for more than a decade now. Generally, even experts in the field admit that each individual critique is correct, and eventually in each study the experts have withdrawn the claims and/or made corrections (usually without acknowledging him). But the fallback always has been, But there a whole lot of other studies that show the same result, this is just one of many, so the result remains true! Not too many of the experts acknowledge that he has punched big holes in every single one of the studies as they come down the pike.
Not a comment on the rest of climate science; McIntyre's specialty is hockey sticks.
"Seems he's done pretty well with his communicating, but people who oppose him are taking advantage of opportunities to act like they don't understand him." Yeah, but people who oppose the people who oppose him are taking advantage of opportunities to understand perfectly well the people who are taking advantage of opportunities to act like they don't understand him. With our fancy equipment to spot prog phonies and all.
In God and Philosophy, Anthony Flew called that the "nine leaky buckets" fallacy. "This rational argument for the existence of God isn't valid, and neither is this other rational argument, or this other argument . . . but when you look at all of them, don't they make you think maybe there's something to it?"
After the accusing Muslim Dad called The Donald out for bad Muslims killing his son and Trump then not wanting millions more of them brought over here, I thought he would have to keep his mouth shut.
But the Queens kid in him just rambled on about why Momma Muslim had to keep silent. He attacked back at the weakness of the opponent. And the wrestling match goes on.
It is like Trump never accepts domination from opponents, be they Muslims that demand submission from everybody or Dems that claim it from everybody. I think that is why he cannot see how Ivanka and Chelsea can do it, just as if there is a safe place to be a neutral in a war.
Switzerland.
Lamar Gonna Set You Straight....
I hate when I say something and then White People all pretend like I didn't really mean it, that I just didn't say it right. I say what I say, and if you can't get it through your ears to your brain that is Your Problem, bitches...
Like, I say: "I hate all White People."
And they say: You don't mean that."
And I say: "Fuck Yeah I mean it: I hate all White People."
And they say: "You can't hate ALL white people."
And I say: "Hell yes I can. I hate ALL White People."
And they say: "Surely you've met a white person you don't really hate."
And I say: "Not fucking one, motherfucker. Every White Person I've met, I hate. You just ain't listening to me..."
And they say: "You can't hate everybody..."
And I say: "I DON'T hate 'everybody' I hate WHITE PEOPLE."
And they say: "You're just talking about a certain kind of white person: the racist ones and the conservatives..."
And I say: "You ALL are Racist. ALL White People are Racist and I hate ALL White People. What is so hard about that to understand?"
And they say: "You're just speaking out of pain..."
And I say: "Pain? The fucking 'pain' in MY ass is White People, bitch! I see you everyday: I KNOW you..."
And they say: Y"I don't know how we can have a conversation when you take an attitude like this."
And I say: "I don't WANT no Conversation, you feel me? YOU the one that keeps talking."
And they say: "It saddens me that you feel this way."
And I say: "It saddens you? Now I make you sad? You don't make me sad, you make me Sick. Sick and tired with trying to talk with your White Ass..."
You know: THAT Shit.
You think you got Problems? Fuck You.
I am Laslo.
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."
Richelieu may have said this, but it has been perfected by the modern political class, of which the media is part. Every powerful person says lots of things which their opponents take out of context to portray them as dumb, evil, clueless, etc.
Of course part of Trump's appeal is he has such a powerful brand he can say all sorts of things which would hang any other person. I suppose this has always been important but he's showing its more important now than ever before.
I predict Ann will not do a post about how Trump disrespected the mother and father of a fallen Hero. She prefers these diversions.
Althouse- did you read the Glenn Greenwald interview in Slate I linked to yesterday? I think you would appreciate it.
I wonder if Chelsea and Monica Lewinsky were friends? Probably not. Easier if they weren't.
I predict Ann will not do a post about how Nidal Hasan, a Muslim, and a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others.
Brilliant. Perfectly framed. It's never a matter of what Trump actually does say and mean. It's a matter of those who are determined to take anything he says at all and 'translate' it into something objectionable. And of course, the Media LUVS this because they feed on such manufactured controversy....
Trump's appeal is that he is never ever politically correct.
If my kid were Chelsea's friend, I definitely would not be pleased and might express my feelings in the same way Trump did.
Trump wishes Ivanka did not like to hang with Clinton scum spawn.
Politically incorrect but understandable sentiment.
And Trump is not afraid to say it out loud in public.
I wouldn't let any children near the Clinton's in any way. If they're female there is a decent chance they'll be raped. If they're boys, murdered.
Trump likes the Clintons.
That's why he's sacrificing himself for her. In a few years, Trump will be Golden again and it will all pay off.
Laslo brings it again!
I just hope I live long enough to stand behind a ponytailed girl without thinking 'swish, swish'. LOL
"I predict Ann will not do a post about how Nidal Hasan, a Muslim, and a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others."
I predict that if you bother to do a search, you'll learn that she has already done 18 posts about Nidal Hasan.
I was mocking once this or that, Meade. Not that you're paying attention
April, make up your mind.
Chelsea does not take after her parents, but it is a bit awkward for Trump that she is a friend of Ivanka's, while he is calling her parents names.
And you ain't seen nothing yet. The next three months are going to be brutal.
Ivanka Trump is 34yo. A parent should shut his pie-hole at some point about what his daughter thinks.
"I thought Chelsea did a nice job [at the convention]. You know, Chelsea likes Ivanka and Ivanka likes Chelsea. I wish they didn’t like each other, but they do."
The perfectly understandable sentiment of a loving father. Allow me to construct an illustrative story, call it the Parable of the Prosecutor.
There was once was a Mafia don who had a bright and charismatic daughter. The young woman attended a major university, entered the business world on her strengths, and formed many personal friendships, one of these being the daughter of a career prosecutor specializing in organized crime. When the prosecutor learned of the misalliance between his daughter and the daughter of the Mafiosi, he advised her that the friendship was unwise, that someday soon he would be duty-bound to bring her friend's father to trial, which would inevitably lead to the friendship ending in hatred.
President Trump will reopen the case of the United States v. Hillary Rodham Clinton, which will likely result in humiliation for the entire Clinton household if not a stay in prison. How will Chelsea react? Will her friendship with Ivanka endure unchanged, or will a vengeful Clinton operative try to strike back at Trump through that relationship?
Trump feels compassion for the People, for Ivanka's friends (as individuals, not classes); even for the lost babies in abortion chambers and Planned Parenthood. How did he ever manage to survive, let alone prosper, in the cosmopolitan jungles?
The Pro-Choice Cult will destroy him.
He needs to mimic Obama, Clinton et al and deliver social justice through sodomy sessions and mass abortion of the innocent, the repentant, and even loyal comrades.
Binders full of women.
It seems that even a good friendship would be strained under these circumstances. You hear about people unfriending each other on FB over trivial political bullshit.
It could be that they care less about the final outcome than a lot of us - their lives might change depending on who wins but neither will be especially better or worse off. Or, it could be that they have a good idea of which parent will win and have accepted that and are just playing out the game.
There is nobody in the world who actually cares Trump said this, or thinks it is horrible. That's why it got my Binders Full of Women tag.
"I wish they didn’t like each other, but they do."
It's called a joke, people. And it's actually funny. Lighten up.
Has he answered this question:
"Let me ask you, have you even read the United States Constitution?"
"Seems he's done pretty well with his communicating, but people who oppose him are taking advantage of opportunities to act like they don't understand him."
Yes, this is exacly right. By no stretch of the imagination did Trump ask "the Russians" to hack into a defunct email account hosted on a long-disconnected server, but his dumber critics (dumber by choice, maye) want to suggest that he did.
If I had a daughter I wouldn't want her palling around with Chelsea Clinton either.
AprilApple said...
That's why he's sacrificing himself for her. In a few years, Trump will be Golden again and it will all pay off.
One thing you can say with certainty, once AprilApple gets an idea in her head she is not letting go of it. No judicial weighing of alternative views and hypotheses here.
I think those who translate for Trump most often try to put a kinder, gentler, less obnoxious, more intelligent spin on his words. No one who isn't already voting for him buys it. Trump will keep being himself all the way until November, which is exactly what we want him to do
The party platform, written at the convention in Cleveland last week, removed references to arming Ukraine in its fight against pro-Russia rebels, who have received material support from the Kremlin.
The change to the platform on arming Ukraine was condemned even by some Republicans. Senator Rob Portman of Ohio described it as “deeply troubling”. Veteran party operative and lobbyist Charlie Black said the “new position in the platform doesn’t have much support from Republicans”, adding that the change “was unusual”.
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Now, why in the world would this have happened?
"Now, why in the world would this have happened?
Oh, just coincidence. Nevermind all the other Russian connections.....
In the meantime Trump is making excuses about football games to get out of debating Climton. I told you so. He knows he will come out of a debate with Clinton, looking even more of a loser than he already looks now.
Hillary is the one dreading the debates. Trump will ask her about Benghazi and her hundred other screwups. Unlike Sanders.
Bullshit. Hillary is probably relishing the chance to show the nation the extent to which Trump is ignorant of the issues and how he will lose his cool when she makes him look the ignoramus he is. He will come out of those debate bloodied and bruised. Sorry for the violent imagery.
Hillary was asked about Benghazi for 11 hours straight and she made those GOP interrogators looks like complete fools. Hillary has already been tested. Trump hasn't. He is mercurial, thin skinned and ignorant. He will be humiliated by her. Maybe he knows this and that's why he is making excuses already to get out of the debates. Just wait and see, I'll tell you I told you so again.
People in charge set the overall direction of their organization. They bring in people to carry out the work. Knowing "land,sea, and air" is just bullshit distraction. Obama couldn't run a falafel cart if he had to do everything himself. And I suspect, neither can you--Inga.
"Inga" says you are as dumb as Trump, LOL!
Blogger Unknown said..."In the meantime Trump is making excuses about football games to get out of debating Climton. I told you so. He knows he will come out of a debate with Clinton, looking even more of a loser than he already looks now."
Talk about intentionally misunderstanding what Trump said.
Oh poor Trump, everyone is misunderstanding him.
Is Donald Trump lying about having received a letter from the NFL complaining about the schedule for the presidential debates?
The issue first came up last night in a Trump tweet, in which the republican nominee attributed blame for the schedule —which is made well in advance by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee.
Then, Trump gave an interview to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, in which he claimed that the NFL was up in arms about the debate schedule.
I got a letter from the NFL saying, ‘This is ridiculous. Why are the debates against—’ ‘Cause the NFL doesn’t wanna go against the debates. ‘Cause the debates are gonna be pretty massive, from what I understand, Okay? And I don’t think we should be against the NFL.
But the league is denying Trump’s account. NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told CNN’s Brian Stelter that the league never sent the candidate any such letter.
Where does he say he won't debate?
Excuses, excuses, he is setting up a fight with the DNC in order to pretend to be insulted and then he will refuse to debate, mark my words. He has a history of trying to get out of tough debates.
Laslo--an absolute classic! You really get it.
Scheduling debates against NFL games is stupid. Who's bright idea was that?
The debate schedule was set a long time ago.
"The issue first came up last night in a Trump tweet, in which the republican nominee attributed blame for the schedule —which is made well in advance by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee."
It was a rhetorical question, Inga.
The change to the platform on arming Ukraine was condemned even by some Republicans. Senator Rob Portman of Ohio described it as “deeply troubling”..."Now, why in the world would this have happened?"
Maybe because Trump is against the United States supporting most NATO interventions. Is there some reason why that point of view is automatically treasonous, as plenty of anti-Trump commentators seems to think?
Fabi and mockturtle: thank you...
I am Laslo.
"While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things."~ Trump
Yo Drumpf, actually the First Amendement says he does have that right. Looks like Drumpf didn't read the Constitution as he claims he did, lol.
He has a right to perpetuate Democrat lies--like that Trump said he wanted to ban Muslims permanently, not the moratorium he asked for. Same as the right Hillary exercises as she lies every minute.
What is Hillary paying shills these days, unknown?
Unknown said...
The debate schedule was set a long time ago.
"The issue first came up last night in a Trump tweet, in which the republican nominee attributed blame for the schedule —which is made well in advance by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee."
Even more evidence that the "non-partisan Commission" has been controlled by the Democrats and favored Clinton from the beginning. Didn't matter who Repubs nominated, Clinton camp knew she would continue to look bad in any debate
How many more of these "do overs" will Trump (RNC) need to make before November? Keep talking Trump, lol!
http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-releases-do-over-statement-on-the-late-capt-khan-plus-superfluous-transcript/
Trump Releases Do-Over Statement on the Late Capt. Khan
>>"Let me ask you, have you even read the United States Constitution?"
I can answer that one. There's not a damn thing in it that prevents the USA from refusing entry to citizens of certain countries.
Well, now we know where Inga gets her material:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-trump-getting-ready-to-back-out-of-debating-hillary-clinton/
I suggest we change Unknown's user name to "Control V"
From that Facebook conversation:
"John Althouse Cohen Mom, even Trump knows he can no longer defend his statement about McCain, his initial announcement of the Muslim ban, his statement about punishing women for getting abortions.."
@Althouse
There must be a name for the logical fallacy you are committing here.
Indeed: special pleading. An expression of confirmation bias.
Did the Democrat platform say anything about arming Ukraine? Would arming Ukraine even be a good idea?
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-2016-7
The presidential debates are organized by the Commission on Presidential Debates, a nonpartisan group that announced dates for the general-election match-ups nearly one year ago, and long before Trump won his party's nomination.
Trump doubled down on the accusations Saturday in an ABC News interview with George Stephanopoulos: "I got a letter from the NFL saying 'This is ridiculous. Why are the debates against prime-time games,'" Trump said.
He added: "The NFL doesn't want to go against the debates, because the debates are going to be pretty massive from what I understand."
The NFL appears to have debunked Trump's claim that the football league reached out to him. Here's CNN's Brian Stelter: "Top NFL spokesman tells me 'While we'd obviously wish the debate commission could find another night, we did not send a letter to Trump.'"
Trump famously ducked out of a Republican primary debate that was broadcast on Fox News in January, choosing instead to host a fundraiser for veterans in a competing time slot. The fundraiser's outcome turned out to be less than favorable for Trump.
Unknown asshole said...
Yo Drumpf, actually the First Amendement says he does have that right. Looks like Drumpf didn't read the Constitution as he claims he did, lol.
Is he saying that the guy has no legal right to do that? I certainly doubt it. Trump understands that he has every legal right to do it. (It is mainly the progressives that want to restrict constitutionally protected speech.)
What Trump means is that he has no moral right to do it. I tend to agree with Trump on this but can see other points of view too.
John Henry
John Henry...yet another translator! Why does Trump need so many translators? So many "do-overs"? Could it possibly be because he is an incompetant ignoramus?
Speaking of progressives and free speech, Crooked Hilary has been very consistent for some years about limiting speech that she doesn't like.
Most striking example is her constant references to overturning citizens United.
John Henry
(I am a robot but don't tell Ann or Google)
And yes Mr.Khan does have a moral right to do so. That should go without saying.
OK whichever unknown asshole you happen to be, answer me this: What indication do you have that Trump was talking about no legal/constitutional right?
John Henry
The change to the platform on arming Ukraine was condemned even by some Republicans
And yet it still showed more support for Ukraine (and stronger language against Russia's actions) than the DNC one did.
Here's what Khan said, I assume that this is what got UA so spun up and it seems to be what Trump was questioning:
Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities, women, judges, even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls and ban us from this country.
Donald Trump, you are asking Americans to trust you with our future. Let me ask you: Have you even read the U.S. Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words "liberty" and "equal protection of law."
He certainly had a legal right to say this. Seems to me that since he does not know what he is talking about he had no moral right. YMMV as they say, though.
He certainly had no legal or factual basis for this
1) He has no more idea than a goat whether Trump read or understand the constitution.
2) As a factual, legal, matter the president and/or Congress have the absolute right to restrict the entry to the US by any alien for any reason. Could be because they are Muslim. Could be because they come from a country that exports terror. Could be because we have too many Elbonians already (Country quotas). Could be health issues. Could be because they have green eyes or red hair.
Any reason at all.
So no, equal protection of the law does not apply to an alien wanting to come to the US, though it does apply to one already here.
And since there is no question we can ban entry, there is no Constitutional reason we can't build a wall or do pretty much anything else necessary to enforce our laws.
John Henry
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Equal time and fairness and stuff.
Its hard to misunderstand Hillary because she avoids talking to the press and doesn't take hostile or hard questions. Her last formal press conference was 200 days ago.
Trump, OTOH, is answering questions from a hostile MSM, almost every day, for over a year.
As for Trump critics who deliberately misunderstand him, I think its a variation on the Straw man argument. Or its just outright lying about him, and not a logical fallacy at all.
It gotten so bad that if the NYT or WaPo has a headline "trump attacks ABC or says XYZ" I know the chances are 9/10 its either a lie, or they're either twisting his words, taking it out of context, to make him look bad.
For example, he never seriously asked Russia to hack Hillary's e-mails, and anyone who asserts that is either stupid or a liar, or both.
When are people ever going to bring up the fact that Hillary is HIDING from the press and the American people and won't take questions?
If Trump was acting that way, we'd be hearing about it 24/7 from every News outlet in America.
I knew it was hopeless for the networks to correct the Muslim dad on the constitution and immigration. Feelings, you know.
Hillary was interviewed by Chris Wallace this morning. She blamed the classified material on her email server on the people who emailed her.
I think voters in the upcoming election will be divided between those who trust the media and those who don't. Funny how I never see any polls about that.
You know, Chelsea likes Ivanka and Ivanka likes Chelsea. I wish they didn’t like each other, but they do.
Yep. THERE'S the great uniter.
Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.
more Unknown idiots pretending not to understand plain english ('has no right to ...')
"I thought Chelsea did a nice job [at the convention]. You know, Chelsea likes Ivanka and Ivanka likes Chelsea. I wish they didn’t like each other, but they do."
Just for the record, Trump went on to say he thought it was great and then prompted the crowd to agree.
Mockturtle gets what Trump gets- the media is trusted less and less. Trump capitalizes on this, and is proven right week after week after week.
The fundraiser's outcome turned out to be less than favorable for Trump
They raised plenty of money--especially given the short notice. The only hiccup in giving it away was when some of the recipients selected--veteran charities--turned out to be lefties and refused the funds, necessitating that they vet other charities. I'd like to see how much your source would raise under the same circumstances. Google that was co-sponsoring the debate was bringing in illegals and Muslims to ambush Trump. And Kelly had more prepared hit pieces for Trump. Not showing up didn't hurt him at all. In fact, he wrapped up the nomination a few weeks later.
If Facebook routinely results in such ludicrous dialogue, then I know that I have chosen the right path is ignoring the medium. This isn't any better than the multitudinous discussion that supposedly takes place daily on such earth-shattering subjects as the time awakened this morning, flavor of toothpaste chosen and the condition of the shrew that the cat drug into the house. Dumbing down America is somehow not making us great.
@Roy Lofquist said...
Hillary, Hillary, [etc] . . .
Equal time and fairness and stuff.
Ok - here is one hour and five minutes on the goodhearted Clinton Family starring in their own movie.
And since there is no question we can ban entry
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". Notice he doesn't use the word "immigration". Entry includes returning citizens and legal residents, and temporary entry. If his ban includes citizens and legal residents (and he has never said it doesn't), then what he is proposing is clearly unconstitutional.
Gustav, is this the hill you want to die on?
Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party.
This is a Dick Morris lie. When Hillary interned with Truehaft's law firm, he was no longer a member of the Communist Party, and was never "head of the California Communist Party".
Notice he doesn't use the word "immigration"
Yeah. Because he was talking to regular people, not Lefty c-suckers.
In 1963, Robert Treuhaft founded his own Oakland-based firm Treuhaft, Walker, and Bernstein, where Hillary Rodham Clinton worked as a summer intern in 1971-- Bernstein, Carl (2007). A Woman in Charge.
You're the expert in Communist matters, but also a serial liar--as most Communists are. I'll send a Western Union to the Cal Commies and see what they say.
Can you imagine Hillary complimenting Ivanka's speech the way Trump did Chelsea? Me neither. On Friday's Today show, Jenna Bush Hager warmly and effusively praised Chelsea's speech. On the other hand, I've observed that democrats can't praise a republican without prefacing the statement with assurances that he thoroughly disagrees with the person.
Is everyone the head of the California Communist Party? I think I remember that joke.
Yes. If you leave your house to get a pack of smokes, Donald Trump won't let you back in.
FAQ of CPUSA.
Re the Chelsea Ivanka friendship:
Suppose your daughter became friends with someone like Meadow Soprano. She may not be active in the criminal enterprise but is the daughter of the head hood. I suspect that, like me, most here would be a bit dismayed by this association. Get close to a crime family like that and there is no telling what you might get sprayed with.
Chelsea is not only the daughter of the head hoods in the Clinton criminal enterprise known as the Clinton Foundation, she is on the board. Or a VP or something. Actively participating. Who know's how much immunity Crooked Hilary and Slick Willy have or how long it will last. More importantly for the hypothetical, how much of that immunity extends to Chelsea.
I would not want my children or grandchildren affiliated, even if only by friendship, with someone like that. There are too many good people in the world to be friends with to take the risk of being collateral damage if the shit hits the Clinton fan.
John Henry
Blogger Freder Frederson said...
And since there is no question we can ban entry
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States". Notice he doesn't use the word "immigration". Entry includes returning citizens and legal residents, and temporary entry. If his ban includes citizens and legal residents (and he has never said it doesn't), then what he is proposing is clearly unconstitutional.
You got a link for this, Freder? Not a link about this but a link to video or a words for word transcript of where he said this.
I've not heard anything like your claims.
John Henry
(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
Would you like to hear him saying it? Go here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video
Or if you prefer not to go to the guardian, you can youtube it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA
Again, who cares? Speaking with lawyerly precision is frankly unimportant during the campaign. All these details are subject to negotiation in any case. Everyone understands that except the spitefully willfully stupid.
And if VIPs coming from Riyadh to make hedge fund deals get 3-day visas that's fine with me too. The point is, the status quo will not continue. That's what we want. The rest is details. If you think being obtuse is a refuge then by all means be obtuse.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
"Entering" implies they are coming in for the first time. Muslim citizens are not "entering" the US after traveling abroad. They are returning, coming home, just like a non-Muslim citizen coming home from a trip doesn't say, "I am entering the US." That's how I understood what Trump said. He wasn't referring to all Muslims or a permanent ban or saying anything about all Muslims.
I'm another Trump translator.
"Land or Sea Travel: U.S. citizens entering the United States by land or sea are required to present a valid WHTI-compliant document, which include:
U.S. Passports
etc"
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/74/~/us-citizens---documents-needed-for-entry-into-the-u.s.
Your translator is wrong.
There are no explicit constitutional rights for US Citizens to travel abroad and to return to the US. Hence, the 10th amendment should have that covered. Or does it?
When are people ever going to bring up the fact that Hillary is HIDING from the press and the American people and won't take questions?
When Hillary announces her intentions not to debate Trump...late on Friday 9/2, just before Labor Day.
After that it will be old news and we will be told to move on.
Trump would prefer that his daughter not be friends with trailer trash.
Who would be against that?
Who would want their child to have anything to do with graft, corruption and,with Bill, sexual depravity.
I still say it was a joke.
Agree. Joke.
I get it.
Freder: This is a Dick Morris lie. When Hillary interned with Truehaft's law firm, he was no longer a member of the Communist Party, and was never "head of the California Communist Party".
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Two young moms who can chat about the injustice of the female "pay gap" and how government can address it.
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