That came in the context not of discussing the struggles of ordinary women to succeed, but in chewing out younger women for not supporting Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton was there, clapping and laughing and — as the NYT put it — taking "a large sip of her beverage." Gruesome!
This is so wrong on so many levels, but I'm going to isolate one: Don't talk about Hell. Mixing religion and politics is a tricky matter. It can be the best of politics and the best of religion. It can be Martin Luther King Jr. orating about the Promised Land. But mostly it's bad politics and bad religion or just banality that soothes some people and makes others vaguely uneasy. But when you switch from religion as uplift — God bless America, Jesus calls us to love one another, etc. — to religion as condemnation — there’s a special place in hell — you've debased yourself and debased religion.
Do Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton believe in torturing their political enemies? That's what Hell is. Eternal torture. Maybe you think it's just a big joke or no one could take it literally. Well, if you don't believe in the religion that other people cling to, just leave it alone.
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Not only do they believe it, but the thought of eternal torture for her enemies makes Hillary laugh.
Yes Hillary paved her way with women everywhere.
The mask slips
As Albright actually ever run for elected office? Insulting the very constituency whose votes you have to capture is the height of stupidity.
This is from feminists that complain about theological oppression by Christians yet they do the same to oppress females based on their beliefs. So fascist.
Yes, they are so concerned about all those women in Muslim countries.
It would be hilarious if it were not so sad.
I'm sure Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton think that special place in hell is filled with the opponents of Margaret Thatcher. We should all support all members of our gender tribe.
“There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”
I have two words for these nasty, hypocritical bitches: Sarah Palin.
Female nationalism + socialism! It's new and exciting! National Socialism now with gender!
There is no greater disloyalty than the children of immigrants forgetting their own roots. That is a betrayal,” he wrote. It is criticism that echoes the rhetoric aimed at Justice Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Court and other successful members of minority groups who are perceived as failing to uphold their own group’s interests.
Hispanic nationalism + socialism! It's new and exciting, National Socialism, but this time with Hispanics!
Wait, wasn't Saddam Hussein an National Socialist? The Baath party, same with Assad, IIRC.
Democrats, the party of new ideas!
“There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”
Limbo.
Not voting for Hillary won't lead you to salvation, but it's better than voting for her and joining her in the lower circles.
The best answer is what YH just said.
"Madeline and Gloria who?"
- Millions of women under 45
Oh, come on.. you are reading too much into that line. It is humor and Hillary laughing was to smooth the rough edges for people like you. And there is some truth to it though. Most women in their 40-50s can attest to at least one woman along their career path who screwed them, especially when much is at stake and that woman's success overshadows the woman whose support is sought. This is typical minority behavior (and maybe even not specific to gender) and much has been written about it.
I am old enough to remember when, after the hard lessons of WWII, children were taught that nationalism was probably a bad idea.
Now it turns out that was all wrong!
did Albright help sarah palin? No? then the cunt should shut the fuck up.
No one answered the first time I asked this question, so I'll ask it again. Has Madeline Albright always been this stupid? Or is she merely descending into senility?
Most young liberals I follow on Twitter are laughing at Albright and passing around a meme of how she opposed Sarah Palin by specifically citing gender as a reason not to jump to someone's support.
Oh, come on.. you are reading too much into that line.
"Come on, you are not coming to the correct conclusion." - FIFY
In fact, I take objection to what Gloria Steinem said more and it was more than insulting, (she said young women were supporting Bernie the fraud to please their male counterparts, (paraphrasing)). Now that is a line that is demeaning, (gruesome!) -- we had a woman English teacher in college who used to say girls take up science so that they are better marriageable material.
Will Hillary be there for her attacks on the "nuts and sluts"? And does that mean that if I don't vote for her, I'll be in that special place in hell with her? For eternity? Oh, well. Still not voting for her.
You have to vote for ME because I am a woman, otherwise you are a traitor to your vagina....is not a compelling or even a rational argument.
Ann,
I notice that you capitalize Hell. Someone (Evelyn Waugh?) was once asked why he did that, and responded, "Because it's a place. You know, like Scarsdale."
Re: Hillary, I think she had better respond sooner than later to the attacks by other women on her husband. If we are to believe all accusations of abuse, then we are to believe Juanita Broaddrick's account of her rape. Period (TM). If Hillary says she doesn't believe Broaddrick, Hillary is lying somewhere. Ditto if she says she does believe her.
Re: Thatcher, ddh, don't you know it! "Ding dong, the witch is dead!" all over London when she died. Do you imagine they would've found something equivalent for a man? I don't.
So, are we to infer from Madeline's comment that there is a special place in Hell for men who do vote for Hillary? I mean, if we are reducing support for a candidate to just gender identity, that is the logical implication of her statement.
I can't believe she would imply something so sexist while saying something so sexist. We should shun that type of intolerance.
You know what Hillary reminds me of? In the 60s, as a boy, I loved watching WWII movies. Sometimes movies about the Pacific war included a scene where a Japanese Zero at about ten thousand feet would take a bunch of machine gun fire, a wing would burst into flames and it would begin a long, whining descent, auguring towards the ocean, where after a while it would crash with a cathartic explosion and splash.
Hillary is a worthy successor to Obama, who took a wrecking ball to the Democrat Party, dragging it so far to the left of American Voters that they lost the Senate, the House, the majority of State Houses, even the governorship of Maryland, for Christ's sake. Now Hillary froze out all of the Democrats who were remotely ready for the presidency to clear the field so that it was either Hillary or the Democrats would lose their last hold on national power.
She would rather see the party in flames, finishing the job Obama started, than accept the possibility that she will not be the nominee, the possibility that the country might prefer another Democrat.
Just another version of "if you're not with us, you're against us". A natural follow-on to "the ends justify the means".
CBS is just itching to promote Tea Leoni from "Madame Secretary" to "Madame President".
"Special Place in Hell."
So: assigned seating.
I guess that makes Hell a 'salad bowl' rather than a 'melting pot', all heat inferences to the contrary.
I am Laslo.
Joe Biden, call your office, Elizabeth Warren, I think you should make some calls too.
"Hillary is a worthy successor to Obama, who took a wrecking ball to the Democrat Party, dragging it so far to the left of American Voters that they lost the Senate, the House, the majority of State Houses, even the governorship of Maryland, for Christ's sake."
For now. I have a sneaky suspicion that might reverse, and do so without the Democrats not moving back towards the middle.
If Sanders is nominated, do you think he will lost New York, California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington and Massachusetts? The Democrats have a solid base of reliable electoral votes and only need to sneak in a few others to win the Presidency.
CBS is just itching to promote Tea Leoni..
I have never seen Madame Secretary, but I have seen Spanglish, so I am assuming that using her to play Hillary was type casting.
I believe that the comment was said in jest, but what Secretary Notsobright left out was that only liberal Democrat women deserve help.
What has Madeline done for Muslim women? How has she helped them? Make sure you get an asbestos coffin, Madeline.
Imagine how the main stream media would be screaming bloody murder if a prominent Republican had said that there was a special place in hell for women who didn't support Ted Cruz.
"There's a special place in hell for women who won't have sex with me." I use that line in bars all the time. It totally works. It's not like young women have brains or anything. I just manipulate and command, and they obey.
"I have a message for young women who will not sleep with me: shame on you!"
And the New York Times reporter is following me around, taking notes.
Hillary and Madeleine aren't even Leftists; they are establishment Democrats. Establishment Democrats want to see everyone who disagrees with them sent to hell.
Lets make sure this doesn't happen folks.
Until every sin is repaid... Honor your father and mother, Albright.
Hell is actually waterboarding and is not harmful.
Women may want to go to Hell, so they'll have a chance to meet Bill Clinton.
Satan has binders full of women.
Does this deserve a "war on women` tag?
"Albright". So that's what my 7th-grade English teacher meant by "irony".
Unlike Obama's race, President Hillary's gender will get her nothing, in terms of respect and cooperation. She'll be the politician that everyone can shit on with social impunity. More good times coming for the Democrat Party.
Autocorrect turns "good" into "Google". WTF? Bern may be onto something...
The point about the religious connotations is more than fair, but I come back to the central problem with Hillary as a "feminist" candidate.
If there SHOULD BE a special place in hell for women who don't help each other, which is what I think Albright means to say, wouldn't Hillary get star billing in it?
Dragging hundred dollar bills through trailer parks and all? And then there are the allegations of sexual harassment and even attack. I don't think one can create a theory that says that Hillary wasn't involved over the long term in publicly covering up Clinton's sexual behavior, and doing so for the purpose of political power. This is the negation of feminism. Most women who DON'T consider themselves feminists wouldn't even engage in this behavior - for purported feminists to condone it in any way is unconscionable.
Seriously? For older women to be reproving younger women for not being hypocrites about supporting Hillary AS A WOMAN is disgusting. I'm rather proud of the younger women for having issues with this. It's one of the few bright points in a rather dreary and intimidating election year for me.
Albright thinks that there is a special place in hell for women who don't support Hillary, not for women who don't support other women. If many younger women see Hillary as a candidate rather than a "women's" candidate, then I think we may have actually bred a generation of healthy women.
It all comes back to Hillary! for her supporters. The penumbras and enamations of her sovereign presence in government must be accepted and revered without question. If a rational doubt occurs, a true believer will crush it. It's the religion of Hillary. You just have to take it on faith that her candidacy is step forward for women. God knows there is no rational basis for that theory.
In another month or so, I expect some of these women to be saying that they'd rather cut off their right hand than use it to vote for someone other than Hillary. If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, etc.
I strongly suspect that a subliminal sense of shame over her own behavior in supporting Hillary is what causes someone like Steinem to attribute younger women's preference of Sanders to "boy-chasing". This isn't going to end well for those who are engaging in it.
I admire and respect the blogstress for grappeling with this issue. It is sad that some older women are so denying of it. Very sad.
What place in Hell is reserved for Hillary then? Or did she actually help the "nuts and sluts"?
The problem with all this internet stuff is we see so much of what people do and say. And they are mostly idiotic. Looking at cat pictures on Facebook is a better use of time than sifting through the goings on of Hillary and Madeline.
Since Hillary didn't help Juanita or Paula or Monica, she's now in her special place in hell.
Big Mike - I think your question is a good one, and I suspect that the behavior of the Albrights is motivated by secret, repressed shame.
I accept someone who says they support Hillary because she's the best of a bad draw this year. I disagree, but I do not disrespect the person who formed that theory. I cannot accept someone who says that not voting for Hillary is betraying the female cause. THAT is bizarre.
Madeleine ain't all that bright.
Where was all this feminist solidarity talk when Sarah Palin was on the ticket?
"A special place in Hell" needs to be understood within the context of the secular Religion of Progressivism. What Albright is invoking is an earthly Social Hell, becoming a social outcaste, like Sarah Palin or Clarence Thomas.
No respectable person or institution will have anything to do with you and every trope of sexism (or racism) may be visited upon your head with none of the respectable defenses normally applicable.
For an average person trying to make his or her way in an ever trickier economic environment, it is not the empty ironic threat that secularists might hide behind.
In the Stable there is always a Girl bitching that all the Hos don't just stand up for each other. You know: Sisterhood shit. She tries to rile them up, but bitches are gonna do what bitches do, unless there is a Pimp on Hand to straighten it all out...
All Pimps know: there ain't no such Shit as Sisterhood. Any of my Girls would turn on another if you dangle the right trinket in front of them. Rip the weaves out of each other's hair, scratch and bite like feral cats: all that shit. That's part of being a Pimp: you gotta know what trinkets work, and when Daddy is to give it to them...
See, they think they may be some Sisterhood, but -- on their own -- the divisions, they come fast:
The White Girls versus the Black Girls.
The Pretty Girls versus the Ugly Girls.
The Ones who can handle their Drugs versus the Ones that can't.
The Ones that are the Pimp's favorites versus the Ones that are jealous and shit.
See, leave them without proper supervision and the Lines get drawn real quick. And it takes A Pimp some valuable time and energy to get all this shit calmed back the fuck down...
That's why it is best for at least one Girl to have some bruises at any time: it keeps them in the Moment, worrying only about themselves, with no time for any of that Thinking Things shit...
You know what Hell would be for a Pimp: dealing with the same bitches forever, and unable to use the Pimp Hand...
I am Laslo.
Feminist solidarity??? Modern day feminism is just another franchise of the Left.
Vote for vagina!
Hell has a ladies night and a VIP section?
I did not know that.
"If Sanders is nominated, do you think he will lost New York, California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington and Massachusetts? "
I think ISIS might be too dumb to let us elect an idiot like Sanders. They will go ahead and make some sort of atrocity that will stir up even Democrats, like they are doing in Germany and Sweden.
Many progressive women face this dilemma: their heart belongs to Bernie, but their vajayjay belongs to Hillary.
A man never stands to tall as when he stoops to help a feminist.
Bros before hoes.
Madeline Albright is the despicable war criminal who stated quite calmly that the deaths of upwards of half a million Iraqi children (as a result of the Clinton sanctions program against Saddam Hussein) was "worth it." Of course, disgusting as is her own placid calm while making this statement, we musn't forget this mini-genocide was the result of the efforts of the Clinton administration, and all the people in it who were part of the planning and implementing of it. I don't think any decent human being wants to let that crew get back into power.
We can all laugh, because we're all money-grubbing atheists, so it's OK to talk about Hell as though it's a real place. We know it's not. But we know who's going there. Somehow we're omniscient on that point.
It's a thigh-slapper!
One ancient Secretary of State with no notable accomplishments endorses another. Impressive people those Dems.
That's not funny!
Gee, Robert Cook, you force me to defend that idiot Albright. She makes a simple point, badly: wielding power is cautionary and sometimes deadly. Even Obama misplaces a drone from time to time.
Only a fool would think that the use of deadly force is intrinsically wrong.
Remind me again what Albright did to deserve attention in the news media.
And by the way, avoid the DDT ban issue.
Once he admits that the relevant factor was the ability of Saddams Iraq to reconstitute its WMD program in the absence of sanctions, rather than stockpiles of them, Cook is well on the way to admitting that in ordering the invasion to end sanctions GWB made a moral choice.
Not to mention the sanction regime and military containment of Saddam from Saudia Arabia were two of the list of three particulars listed in osama's second fatwa against nst the US.
There's hope!
There are woman and then there WOMAN. Albright speaks in code for which WOMAN one must support to avoid be cast into Hell. The wheels are coming off the Clinton bus, the funk of desperation is palpable. 2016: Hillary!For Prison!
"Only a fool would think that the use of deadly force is intrinsically wrong."
The Iraqi civilian dead were the Palestinians of the 90s as Saddam manipulated the MSM and got away with murder of the "Swamp Arabs" and Shiites. Most of the "500 thousand children were bullshit.
US troops found a billion dollars in cash in one house used by Saddam's sons.
"Oil for Food" corrupted the UN beyond redemption.
Blogger Doug said...
Remind me again what Albright did to deserve attention in the news media.
She and Bill Clinton allowed North Korea to develop nuclear weapons. Now they're developing intercontinental rockets.
Prog Hell = being out of power and not invited to swank Georgetown parties
Anyway, AA protestations notwithstanding, unwilling as she is to face the reality of really existing feminism as practiced in the real political arena, Albright is reducing the Hillary! pitch to its core. In this case, exegesis amounts to evasion of hard truths.
* Policy does not apply to nuts and/or sluts. Offer not valid when politically inconvenient.
Funny thing about pride (which in my life I have observed and distilled down to its root as being an individual choice of desire, emanating from the heart of a person, to be above or better then another.)
Pride causes (requires) the prideful person to take any group of which they are a member and and divide it with some threshold or delineation. This dividing along some criteria is the first and essential step to satisfying themselves that they are in the "better" side of the division - "better than those guys over there." Since their motive is not to find "better" and share it (their motive is to be above and better than others), their constant work is to detect the encroachment of others from beneath them up to their "superior" state, and fend the encroachment off - to keep the others down. They also do everything in their power to pull down the person they perceive to be " above" them.
Funny thing about a prideful society, no matter what "better" subgroup some of them form, it isn't long until a member of that subgroup is creating another dividing parameter, and trying to claim superiority for being in the correct side of that subgroup.
It never stops until were all isolated in unitary subgroups, and even then itndoesnt stop as they begin to divide their own internal soul and being.
And this is exactly how pride destroys nations. Each subgroup's desire to be "above" is so great that they don't care if the entire civilization burns to the ground, as long as the others don't get "above".
A special place in Hell for women? Damn, even hell is patriarchal and anti-feminist. Women deserve the same place in Hell that men have, and gawdammit, they won't stop squawking until they get it!
But Clinton offered a message that the collected plutocrats found reassuring, according to accounts offered by several attendees, declaring that the banker-bashing so popular within both political parties was unproductive and indeed foolish. Striking a soothing note on the global financial crisis, she told the audience, in effect: We all got into this mess together, and we’re all going to have to work together to get out of it. What the bankers heard her to say was just what they would hope for from a prospective presidential candidate: Beating up the finance industry isn’t going to improve the economy—it needs to stop. And indeed Goldman’s Tim O’Neill, who heads the bank’s asset management business, introduced Clinton by saying how courageous she was for speaking at the bank.(Goldman Sachs)
So word has leaked of things that Hillary has said to bankers...
I think it can be summarized as "We need these Occupy useful idiots to get elected, but don't worry, I know where my bread is buttered!" - HRC
Michael K, 1:20 - thank you for putting it better than I could.
Robert Cook: Like you I am disgusted with any formulation that says the deaths of lots of children were "worth it." What I don't accept is that these deaths were an unavoidable consequence of sanctions. It was "worth it" to Saddam Hussein that they suffer, rather than that he comply with other countries' dictates; and it was "worth it" to him that they suffer as photogenically as possible.
And this is exactly how pride destroys nations. Each subgroup's desire to be "above" is so great that they don't care if the entire civilization burns to the ground, as long as the others don't get "above".
Let me give a concrete example: a subgroup is willing to allow an increase in rapes in a society rather than allow their declared enemy-subgroup - their "lessers" - to be or appear right on the topic of unrestrained immigration.
Here's another one: a subgroup cultivates an over-inflated sense that their own efforts landed them to their "above" state, and endlessly preaches "you can do it too" to their "lessers", when in reality their motive isn't at all to help their "lessers" learn and develop any capacity to move up, their motive is to salve their consciences wounded by that nagging feeling that they should be helping their neighbor and fellow citizens in a more direct and personal way.
"Female nationalism + socialism! It's new and exciting! National Socialism now with gender!"
So, Rush, when he came up with the label "feminazi," pretty much nailed it.
The special place in Hell is reserved for politicians who are supporters of partial birth abortions just to get elected. Hellary Clinton has an entire wing named for her.
Let's be fair. Gloria Steinem admitted that young women could still be feminists EVEN IF THEY SUPPORTED BERNIE SANDERS.
What a big tent that feminist straitjacket is!
Madeleine Albright is on very good terms with the devil, so if she says there is special place in hell reserved for those women, then you can assume she got that straight from Satan, himself.
I felt that way when it was Hillary v Obama, but not now. Guys had such a bro crush on Obama: they were walking around with Palin is a c*nt t-shirts, Bros over Hos, etc. (I add the * because IIRC you have a filter.)
It was critical that Hillary was shut down in the 2008 cycle. Ideally, Hillary should have run in 2008 and Obama now.
She's had to make so many concessions to power that it's vaguely nauseating. A young female family member (who supports Bernie) said she looks like a robot and Bernie doesn't. I'm old enough to know *why* she was forced to turn into a robot, but that knowledge only helps so much when it's reflected in her policies.
Same goes with Palin. She was much more interesting when it was "Ms. Palin goes to Washington," only in her case it's Z-li$t celebrity culture that has changed (or revealed) her current self.
Bernie resisted all that for so many years and stayed relatively small with mostly the courage of his convictions for company.
So if not helping a member of your identity group guarantees you a special place in Hell, does that also apply to blacks not helping other blacks? Hispanics not helping other Hispanics? Probably, right. What about whites not helping other whites, or God forbid, white men not helping other white men? Well, that would just be racist! And sexist! Uh-huh.
In a piece written for Time by Walter Isaacson in 1999 entitled "Madeleine's War" (and intended to be a puff piece about the former Clinton Secretary of State) severe criticism leaked out.
"I cannot recall a time when our foreign policy was in less competent hands," declared Peter Krogh, who had been her close friend and mentor when he was dean of Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service during Albright's tenure there.
The bombing of Iraq has only entrenched Saddam Hussein's power. The bombing of Serbia has likewise entrenched Milosevic and contributed to a refugee debacle.
More broadly, Krogh accused Albright and her colleagues of conducting a policy based on scolding other nations. "They instruct the Russians and the Japanese on their economics, the Chinese on their politics, the Iraqis on their military, the Serbs on their provinces, the Latin Americans on drugs and the U.N. on reform...It is a foreign policy of sermons and sanctimony accompanied by the brandishing of Tomahawks."
Last time I checked bombing populations and creating refugee problems wasn't a good thing for women. Neither is putting Hillary Clinton in charge of anything.
Let me tell you about one of the Hos in my Stable: she's Maddy Lean, and she sure thinks she all knows how things should be...
I come into the Pad one day, and I overhear Maddy telling the other Girls that they have Stick Together, if they can Stick Together they have no need for Me, their Pimp. Once they see me, though, they all Front and pretend they were just talking small-ass Bitch Shit...
Now, I could have given the Pimp Hand to Maddy right there, to let them all know how this Shit goes down, but I choose to just sit on the leather couch all quiet-like, nodding to a beat in my head, eyes all Mystic Oriental Samurai Style...
Now the girls are starting to sweat, so I say I need to speak to Melanie, in Private. All the Girls know that Melanie is the weakest link in any chain, which is why so many customers try to talk her into Anal off the books. Like I let THAT shit go down...
Anyway, the Girls now know that I know something, and they know that Melanie will confirm it: she don't have to even say anything, she just starts crying and shit...
So -- before Melanie and I leave the room -- all the other girls start pointing fingers at Maddy, saying how Maddy's trying to stir some shit up and how they was gonna tell me this just as soon as they could...
See how I did this? It's much easier to let the Girls tear themselves down rather than me having to directly handle Shit. Lesson of the Day for the Girls: they can't Trust one another worth a Fuck....
So Maddy tries to leave, thinking I'll stop her, but I tell her it's cool, she just ain't leaving with no clothes on -- I bought those clothes, and they staying with me. She starts to cry, but I kick her naked ass out the door, and she's wailing that it's too cold outside, it's almost freezing. Not my problem, bitch, you a Popsicle now...
Melanie, now she start's crying -- I told you she was the wink link -- and she says to me PLEASE can I let her give Maddy a blanket, the concrete outside gets so cold...
Magnanimous, I say "Sure"-- but not for another hour or so. Some lessons need time to sink in...
I am Laslo.
Madeleine Albright has been important to Hillary's political campaigns because without "Madeleine's War" in Bosnia, there could never have been the infamous sniper story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-kass-hillary-lies-met-0715-20150715-column.html
More likely young women are supporting Bernie because "math is hard."
Same goes with Palin. She was much more interesting when it was "Ms. Palin goes to Washington," only in her case it's Z-li$t celebrity culture that has changed (or revealed) her current self.
This. What a profound disappointment. Television ate her.
The special place in Hell is not a new threat. I (Wellesley '70) was told the same thing in 2008 by the head of a Wellesley alum group for Hillary (Wellesley '69) when I refused to agree that electing Hillary would be good for women.
Must be Wellesley tradition. Madeleine Albright is Wellesley '59.
btw current Wellesley women are not all that supportive of Hillary!
They prefer Sanders.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/02/03/watch-wellesley-students-endorse-bernie-sanders/
Did the NYT say what the beverege was?
Water? Juice? Vodka?
John Henry
Only a fool would think that the use of deadly force is intrinsically wrong."
Only a monster would not think the use of deadly force is intrinsically wrong. It may, rarely, be regretably necessary, but it is always intrinsically wrong.
That said, Albright wasn't talking about American use of force against Iraq, but about the post-Desert Storm financial and trade embargo placed on Iraq, severely damaging the Iraqi healthcare system, and preventing adequate supplies of clean water, food, and necessary medicines from getting to the Iraqis.
"Once he admits that the relevant factor was the ability of Saddams Iraq to reconstitute its WMD program in the absence of sanctions, rather than stockpiles of them, Cook is well on the way to admitting that in ordering the invasion to end sanctions GWB made a moral choice."
Bush did not order the invasion of Iraq to end sanctions. He ordered the invasion of Iraq to further America's geopolitical agenda in the middle east, which was to assert our dominance in the region and gain control over access to Iraq's oilfields. Why else do you think we're continuing our criminal aggression in (how many now?) other nations in the region? We want to rule the world.
In the aftermath of Bush's order to invade Iraq, many more innocent Iraqis have been killed, injured, and rendered homeless. That seems to be the American way now: destroy the world in the name of "saving" (or "freeing") it.
John Henry, I am not sure, but I think it was bubbling and emitting fog like one of Morticia Adams' martinis.
How is Hillary going to stop this? What well of goodwill is she going to draw on, what untapped fount of political skill is she going to draw from to win this election? She can't turn on the Republicans yet because she doesn't know which one it will be, and she has her hands full with Bernie. Bernie is dragging her further and further leftward, emboldening the party's left, crushing her centrist strategy.
If she can pull this off, "comeback kid" style, when even the press outside of old snugglebuddy Stephie at ABC, is turning against her.
I guess that means Eva Braun must be up in heaven right now calling down to them and saying, "Help me!"
In retirement, I've been gradually disengaging from the fight with insane lefties like Cookie.
The insanity, hatred of their own country, loathing of their own culture and stupid, lethal belief in Stalinism cannot be deterred. The sickness is so fucking deep.
What can you do with people who have embraced absolute evil and made evil into their religion?
The question answers itself.
I'm leading a good life babysitting my grandchildren and enjoying playing music. What do I gain from duking it out with depraved idiots?
Do Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton believe in torturing their political enemies?
Hell yeah they do.
What worthless sacks of crap. They can't even use subtlety to play the gender card. Desperate pathetic losers.
Rankles me to the this gang might take power.
That angelic soul Lizzie Borden is looking down at them right now and saying, "Help me!"
Help her, you hell-bound masculinists!
LOL @1:52.
Only a fool would think that the use of deadly force is intrinsically wrong.
Certainly not one time.
But a half a million times over and you really have to begin to question someone's judgment. Even if you think that not giving Albright's statement a second thought is morally above reproach, we have to wonder how accurate that person's calculus is. It's possible to get sloppy doing anything a few hundred thousand times over - even killing people in an otherwise morally immaculate way.
And @11:01. Yep, I hope Maggie Thatcher is casting these chicks down into the bowels of the pits of hell for not helping her.
Do these bitches ever have anything worth saying? At all?
If women are forming a unified force, what should men do? I mean, if anyone is unifying in force, it has to be against something they're not and the only thing that women are not is men.
I think you all have it backwards if you think this hurts Hillary. The chance to sneer at others is one of the most compelling selling points of Hillary's campaign. It's like when Obama called Palin a pig, it boosted him with his supporters.
Whatever I may think of Bernie Sanders, I will be forever grateful to him (as I am for Obama, regardless of what he did as president) if he puts an end to this awful woman's political ambitions. Albright is forever that tool who danced along with the Kims in Pyongyang. She is going to hell already.
Robert Cook said, "Only a monster would not think the use of deadly force is intrinsically wrong. It may, rarely, be regretably necessary, but it is always intrinsically wrong."
Let's unpack that statement.
How can something be both "always" wrong and "regrettably necessary"?
I think you mean something different.
You haven't thought it through.
"[Is] there is a special place in Hell for men who do vote for Hillary?"
Yes. It's an alt-universe where Hillary wins the Presidency. (At least I hope it's an alt-universe.)
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Since when did any member of the modern day Democrat party understand or know anything about Christian values or theology. Their God is secularism. Now there may be an uncomfortable microwave or some stray EMFin the secular Democrat hereafter, (or maybe a waterboard or two) but there sure as heck isn't a Hell. Ol Maddy doesn't know what she's talking about. But it's okay. I understand that she drools in her oatmeal these days.
"[Bush] ordered the invasion of Iraq to further America's geopolitical agenda in the middle east, which was to assert our dominance in the region and gain control over access to Iraq's oilfields."
Thank God for fracking, huh Robert?
Violation of the commandment: "you shall not murder", is another criterion that reserves a special place in hell for women and men. A deeply held faith pulled from the dark fringes of a penumbra will not forfeit your special place nor will its thinly veiled cloak secure your privacy.
Bush did not order the invasion of Iraq to end sanctions. He ordered the invasion of Iraq to further America's geopolitical agenda in the middle east, which was to assert our dominance in the region and gain control over access to Iraq's oilfields.
If that's a real reason, why not invade Canada and/or Mexico then?
How can something be both "always" wrong and "regrettably necessary"?
I'm not one to align with Robert Cook's politics, but this reminds me a bit of Bonhoeffer's understanding. Violence is always wrong--meaning it is a sin--but sometimes we are in a position that we must commit violence even still. Bonhoeffer was a pacifist who participated in the plot against Hitler, saying that it was a greater sin not to stop a tyrant. God forgives the sin of violence when it is to protect from worse evil. Another Biblical example is King David, who was commanded by God to all sort of violence and was especially valued by God. But, when he wanted to build a temple, he was told he couldn't do it because he had blood on his hands. He was a man of violence, not peace, so couldn't build the Temple. It has an effect, even if it might be the right thing to do.
Where I differ from Cook is seeing that Hussein was an absolute evil tyrant himself who was causing no end of chaos in his country and the region.
Actually, a better way to describe Hell is "Eternal Separation from God." If you do not vote for Hillary, the Goddess of feminist ambition, you will be eternally separated from her and unable to bask in her radiant presence for all eternity.
A lot of modern theology teaches that Hell is not punishment assigned by God. It's what we CHOOSE when we say 'no' to God.
You're choosing hell, if you say no to Hillary.
Of course, in Greek mythology, a mortal making herself equal to the gods soon experiences the inevitable consequence of hubris..... Nemesis.
Hillary will lose the primary, and then she'll rage in a way worthy of Medea. If I were Chelsea, I'd be looking into the witness protection program.....
Violence is in the eye of the beholder. Some GTA clips I think are crazy cool; others I find to be gratuitous to the point of dyspeptic. This is why morality and ethics need to be centered on non-coercion and the prevention of violations against the individual. As the state retains the last legitimate monopoly on violence or coercion, we find it much easier to debate and settle the idea of what is or is not a violation of the individual than what is or is not too violent. Violence describes the feel of a setting or event. Violation and its prevention is part of a much more precise language, which is what discussions of ethics require.
Albright who enabled the North Korean nuke, her protege Wendy Sherman, will do much the same for the Islamic Republic,
yes, she really enjoyed when her church was set ablaze, when she was tagged with accessory to murder, when that mcguinness stalker surveiled her property and slandered her, all for speaking truth to power, whereas hillary has never the truth on purpose in her entire life,
Here's the game feminists play:
1. We need a woman elected Prez to crash the old boys' network! (How 'bout Sarah Palin as VP? Nah, she's a right-wing nut)
2. How dare you insinuate that we are supporting Hillary just because she's a woman. That is sexist too! (But I thought you said we needed a woman President?)
3. Madeleine Albright: If you young women support Bernie over Hillary, you're going to Hell!
Much of feminism is just a facade for ordinary Leftism - the goal, of course, is simply to accrue power.
Ironically, there is a special Hell for campaign consultants who pencil in fervent support from 50% of the population without bothering to ask what that population wants.
It's called everyday life.
I get the 90 odd percent support Obama got from blacks. A lot of people never thought they would see a black president, and then they get a candidate, and he's young, and handsome, and articulate -- of course people are going to go nuts for a candidate like that.
But to just pencil in Hillary as the female version of the same thing is nuts. She's not aspirational at all -- she's old, she's compromised, she's a terrible speaker. She's got her creepy husband in tow, who's simultaneously a patron and a bad memory. And just like clockwork, the scandals start bubbling up just like before.
That's a lot to swallow. Even if you're a committed feminist, it seems like you could take a pass on supporting Hillary and figure that something better is sure to come along before long.
Somewhat OT, but relevant, I think: If waterboarding is "simulated drowning," what do we make of actual drowning? Do we say that the passengers and crew of the Lusitania (say) were all tortured to death?
Zach,
They can't wait. They know perfectly well that ll their "war in women" bullshit is pure bullshit, and the first elected female president is every bit as likely to be a Republican as a Democrat (just as it was perfectly possible the first black President could've been a Republican). They rushed both Obama and now Hillary because they absolutely cannot, will not, EVER permit that to happen, even if it requires electing such corrupt, incompetent individuals that their respective identity groups will be humiliated for decades to come. In fact, to thw Democrats, that's probably a feature of thr plan rather than a bug
Dust Bunny Queen said...2/7/16, 11:14 AM
You have to vote for ME because I am a woman, otherwise you are a traitor to your vagina....is not a compelling or even a rational argument.
She doesn't have any compelling or even rational arguments (except, to some people, the argument that the other candidates are worse.)
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...2/7/16, 11:15 AM
If Hillary says she doesn't believe Broaddrick, Hillary is lying somewhere. Ditto if she says she does believe her.
Hllary's official position, I think, is that she's not familiar with what Juanita Broderick said and doesn't want to know.
narciso said...2/7/16, 6:15 PM
yes, she really enjoyed when her church was set ablaze, when she was tagged with accessory to murder, when that mcguinness stalker surveiled her property and slandered her, all for speaking truth to power, whereas hillary has never the truth on purpose in her entire life,
Not even in the 3 secret speeches Goldman and Sachs paid her $675,000 to deliver?
I would say, yes, not even then - but it may have avoided certain lies.
What a strange way that modern secular guardians of political discourse talk about Christianity. Talk about God blessing America is OK, God being dragooned into approving whatever the American political class is doing. Jesus is often drafted into the Peace Corps, telling us to love one another. I am reminded of the admonition that in the view of so many cultural Christians, God is the Almighty Patsy. Heinrich Heine, a famous nineteenth-century German poet, allegedly spoke these last words: “Of course God will forgive me; that's His job." The religious lumpen-culture really does not wish to delve any deeper into the issue of sin any deeper than this which makes it a very bad no-no to bring up Hell. The only people who use the term and mean it are Christians who have examined their faith ... and atheists for whom Hell is simply a four letter word what does not involve either excrement or sex.
Who helped Carly?
trade embargo placed on Iraq, severely damaging the Iraqi healthcare system, and preventing adequate supplies of clean water, food, and necessary medicines from getting to the Iraqis.
Cookie, there are times you sound almost rational. This isn't one of them. Saddam played the CNN people like a fiddle. You seem to be one. It was NOT the Embargo that was starving Iraqis, to the extent they starved, it was SADDAM ! He took in billions !
Oil for Food was a joke and enriched Saddam and his henchmen,plus of course the Germans and Russians and French who aided him.
You usually don't sound quite this stupid but I guess it is a hobbyhorse for you.
all those palaces you saw dotting everywhere from baghdad to najaf, was the product of that scam,
Vagina is a reason to do a lot of things, but not the premier qualification to support a grifter for the US Presidency.
Hillary is not authentic - that's why millennial women aren't attracted to her.
She made some weird deal with her husband as an ambitious young power couple in the 70s. Bill, You kick ass in politics, I will bravely support you thru thick and thin, you can even sleep with as many women as you want, and I will demonize and/or ignore these bimbos, as much as possible to protect your political interests. However, when you're done, it's my turn to get ultimate power, and your turn to support me, Deal?
Something like that. Anyone can see thru the Clinton facade. Phony, power-hungry politicians.
Madeline Albright stood on a stage with the rest of Clinton's cabinet, and publicly declared that she believed his denial of having sex with "that woman", about 13 seconds before "that woman" told the press that she had the dress the lying bastard had jizzed all over. She knows a thing or two about special places in Hell.
Due to, and in addition because of PC, my Broncos can't let be known the factors of success.
But, as I spoke under nomenclature "notquiteunbuckley" the assemblage of great men does, after just a few years, matter.
Like Einstein knew, of course.
Michael K. wrote: You usually don't sound quite this stupid but I guess it is a hobbyhorse for you.
I suppose if you can slice stupid with a microtome it might look that way. But in my impoverish lab Cookie's ravings are just one big mass of undifferentiated stupid.
I've made it to 6am without learning who was in the superbowl or let alone who won. Imus in the Morning is sure to spoil that. They always want to make sure that you find out.
The media always know what your true concerns should be.
I know who won but not who their opponent was, thanks to not listening attentively while making breakfast.
There must be a minor fact category that doesn't rise to diverted attention.
From reports around the time of the Goldman Sachs speeches, from the people that were there, her message seemed to be, "Wink wink, it's all talk to get votes, you all know can trust me."
Michael K,
""Oil for Food" corrupted the UN beyond redemption."
I disagree, but only because the UN was clearly already WAY beyond redemption before that point. Read Michael Maren's The Road To Hell, or any of the various works on the Rwandan genocide, or about the effectiveness of the UN "peacekeepers" during the festivities in Bosnia.
Somebody please tell me what happened to R & B? Regardless of the cause his/her new sanity is most welcome.
The concept of grace must escape most Women's Studies professors. Though not appropriate for STEM classes, I'll wager that the professors who teach quantum physics could give it a go.
Rwandans say there is a special place in Hell for Bill Clinton and Madeline Albright.
Cook's comments show one of the issues with the critique of Bush deposing Saddam.
"He was already in line due to sanctions"...ignoring that the Left opposed the sanctions also.
"Cook's comments show one of the issues with the critique of Bush deposing Saddam.
"'He was already in line due to sanctions'...ignoring that the Left opposed the sanctions also."
I didn't say anything about Hussein being "in line due to sanctions," or suggest the sanctions were praiseworthy, although others have said so. In fact, he was defeated and pushed out of Kuwait by US forces in Desert Storm. Sanctions were unnecessary, and were purely punitive.
@Michelle Dulak Thomson
Somewhat OT, but relevant, I think: If waterboarding is "simulated drowning," what do we make of actual drowning? Do we say that the passengers and crew of the Lusitania (say) were all tortured to death?
No we don't because the word "torture" has a specific meaning. But I am guessing you are trying to work a "waterboarding isn't torture" angle. If that is so, then why don't we use it on Americans accused of terrible crimes?
Oh, reading the history of Albright's quote (it was used on a Starbucks cup!) I came across a fun fact: Sarah Palin pointed to Albright's quote back in 2008! Albright responded that she didn't meant the quote to have any political implications, just to express that women should support other women.
Here, in 2016, she's explicitly saying that her quote has political meaning (since she's using it to argue that women must vote for Hillary). In other words, Albright is full of shit. Surprise!
Thereby proving how fundamentally unserious feminism is.
Thanks Madeline.
Special places in Hell should be reserved for people who've done true evil, such as whomever it was that screwed up the user interface in Microsoft Office.
Since no one else has said it, I will:
It's kind of sad that Madeleine Albright is campaigning for someone she thinks will go to Hell: Hillary Clinton.
Since I'm pretty sure that when Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jone, and Monica Lewinsky all needed help, Hillary wasn't willing to help them.
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