February 18, 2015

"A group of Muslims plan on forming a 'peace ring' around a synagogue in Oslo, Norway, following the recent attack on a synagogue in Copenhagen."

"Hajrad Arshad, the 17-year-old organizing the event, told Norway broadcaster NRK that the group wants to 'extinguish the prejudices people have against Jews and against Muslims.'"

95 comments:

Michael said...

Good. I hope they don't lose their heads over it.

David said...

Not sure I would be comforted by that if I were going to the synagog. It only takes one ringer among the ringers for this to go very badly.

Unknown said...

Believe it when it happens, and lasts for for longer than a week.

The Drill SGT said...

Guys with guns always beat guys without guns.

Given that the crime rate for Muslims in Norway is 5-10 times that of Norwegians in Norway, I think these folks are not the Muslim norm there...

Alexander said...

Yawn. Every time, when the Muslims feel there's a danger maybe they'be gone too far... they go and do a peace ring and cry on the TV that they're not all like that.

Never a mass protest, though they're good at that for other things.

Remember a few years back when everyone was crying joyful tears at the Muslims 'protecting' Coptic Churches in Egypt? Yeah, how'd that work out.

Propaganda, nothing but. It's like saying the Allies were the bad guys in WWII because Oskar Schindler was German and he was a really good guy.

But this is what I'm talking about in the other thread. A tiny number do the actual killing, but the community at large runs interference to ensure that the flow of Islamic colonizers continues. The peace ring guys aren't going to come out and say yes, there needs to be greater policing of who comes into the country. That yes, Muslims need to police their communities and absorb the cultural norms of the host. No, they're just going to give a show that will prevent exactly 0 future attacks but give the fifth column something to crow about.

richard mcenroe said...

SA forms peace ring around Jewish ghetto. See tonight's Pathe' newsreel at the Orpheum.

Anonymous said...

They must be MINO's, because we've been repeatedly heard from many commentators on this blog that there is no such thing as a "peaceful" Muslim

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Their hearts are in the right place but anything more than posting a selfie while holding an apology sign is really going too far.

Drago said...

Madisonfella: "....we've been repeatedly.....no such thing as a "peaceful" Muslim."

"..repeatedly.."

Should be easy to shower us with links that show that precise phrasing.

Not holding my breath waiting, naturally.

traditionalguy said...

That is impressive. But I understand they will be lead there in orange prisoner suits with their hands tied so that the next step need not be delayed.

Alexander said...

Madisonfella,

Do you believe that it's possible when group X is looking bad, that group X might make a public act or statement to diffuse that image, *without making any actual steps towards fixing the actual cause of the problem*?

Then kindly shove it. You can argue that they are in fact doing something legitimate, but don't snark that this somehow disqualifies the very idea of bad faith.

Michael K said...

"we've been repeatedly heard from many commentators on this blog that there is no such thing as a "peaceful" Muslim"

Inga, I'm sure you believe everything you read at TPM. Me, not so much.

EMD said...

This is good. A start.

Curious George said...

Meanwhile, Democrats in the Virginia House of Delegates walked out, twice, rather than vote on House Bill HJ 659, a bill in support of Israel.

Curious George said...

France is looking good too for Jews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQq51hNSyoc

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2956040/Journalist-puts-Jewish-skullcap-walks-streets-Paris-filmed-hidden-camera-safe-streets-are.html

SomeoneHasToSayIt said...


Who/what is this entity 'Allah', people keep referring to?

Is there any evidence of its existence?

Asking for a friend.

Anonymous said...

Should be easy to shower us with links that show that precise phrasing

Funny how the same guy who refuses to provide links when asked is always demanding other people provide links. Bonus points for building that "precise phrasing" part too. your Uncle Saul must be very proud of you.

What is funny is that even tho I never claimed anything about "precise phrasing", an example of that precise phrasing is quickly found:
"One day, I hope to wake up and find that everyone finally realizes that there is no such thing as a peaceful muslim. There are only muslims."

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/dana-milbanks-heritage-disaster.html?showComment=1403069323049#c6279957786711713210


If you weren't completely obsessed with me, then you might have also noticed the comments in this very thread where people are ridiculing the idea of a "peaceful" Muslim.

CJinPA said...

Hajrad Arshad, the 17-year-old organizing the event, told Norway broadcaster NRK that the group wants to 'extinguish the prejudices people have against Jews and against Muslims.'"

What about Christians?

"No comment."

m stone said...

Muslims actually confronting Jew-harrassing Muslims in the act would persuade me more.

There are plenty of opportunities at least in France apparently.

"Adopt a Jew"?

Revenant said...

Given that the crime rate for Muslims in Norway is 5-10 times that of Norwegians in Norway, I think these folks are not the Muslim norm there

Men commit rape at ten times the rate that women do. Does that mean men who oppose rape aren't the male norm?

There were only a few dozen murders in Norway last year, and around 120,000 Muslims. If the norm for Muslims is to be pro-murder, one has to wonder why there is only around 1 murder for every 4000 of them. Maybe the rest are just lazy?

Rusty said...

First Cici and the King of Jordan and now this. maybe we have an awakening among muslims. I pray it goes well for them.

Rusty said...

madisonfella said...
They must be MINO's, because we've been repeatedly heard from many commentators on this blog that there is no such thing as a "peaceful" Muslim

21 Coptic Christians would love to hear you expound on this.

Oh. wait.

Nevermind.

Alexander said...

There were peaceful Europeans among those who landed at Plymouth and Jamestown.

Doesn't change the fact that the Indians would have been well advised to drive every single one of them into the sea without exception.

Even if every single Muslim in the 'peace ring' does so in good faith, it does not change the fact that:

1) They seek more Muslims moving into Europe
2) Those Muslims will seeks to impose their culture on the host.
3) They will do so violently if the host does not submit.

Every woman in Jamestown who gave birth to at least three offspring who survived to reproduce brought about the inevitable destruction of the Indian as the men defending the stockade. Likewise, every 'peaceful' Muslim family that does not actively fight any more of their own following them into the West is complicit in the bloody war that is coming to Europe.

You, madisonfella, are just as guilty. You will provide cover for as long as possible and so ensure the maximum amount of chaos when all goes to hell.

And if history is any indication, when the balloon finally goes up and you find yourself in the unenviable position of having to explain to the only tribe that would possibly take you in that you are part of why so many of their sons will die in the Reconquista, you will try to cover tracks by having the loudest voice demanding 'justice'. While I, today, say let the Muslim have his slice of the world from Morocco to Pakistan but leave Europe to Europeans, the day will come when you demand the heads of children, all to protect your own skin.

Gahrie said...

How much do you have to hate your own civilization to think that the major problem is the reaction of Western Civilization to Muslim violence, rather than Muslim violence itself?

richard mcenroe said...

The word Madisonfella keeps having these little episodes and blanking out on is "taqqiyah"...

SteveR said...

Maybe they can have a BBQ to celebrate.

Thorley Winston said...

Meanwhile, Democrats in the Virginia House of Delegates walked out, twice, rather than vote on House Bill HJ 659, a bill in support of Israel.

Why is a State legislature spending taxpayer dollars and the voters’ time having a symbolic vote on something that’s clearly outside their jurisdiction?


Curious George said...

"Thorley Winston said...
Meanwhile, Democrats in the Virginia House of Delegates walked out, twice, rather than vote on House Bill HJ 659, a bill in support of Israel.

Why is a State legislature spending taxpayer dollars and the voters’ time having a symbolic vote on something that’s clearly outside their jurisdiction?"

The voters time? Taxpayers dollars? The voters are the legislature, this wasn't a public proposition. And the incremental cost for this is virtually zero.

Anonymous said...

Ervin Kohn, the leader of Oslo’s Jewish community, said he would allow the event if 30 people or more attended. He said it might "seem counter-productive" otherwise.

What's the over/under here on attendance? Is it 30?

And, what do they need to form a peace ring for?

It doesn't really tell me in the article, it just references some sort of attack in a far away place.

Who are they trying to protect these Jews from?

The article left me wondering.

Curious George said...

"David said...
Not sure I would be comforted by that if I were going to the synagog. It only takes one ringer among the ringers for this to go very badly."

As the soldiers at Fort Hood and Maj. Gen. Harold Greene found out.

Unknown said...

Revenant, you are incoherent. You should seek medical help.

lemondog said...

An incipient movement?

Martin Luther started it with the Ninety-Five Theses.

Why not this 17 year old and a peace ring?

It may take generations.

Revenant said...

The voters time? Taxpayers dollars? The voters are the legislature, this wasn't a public proposition. And the incremental cost for this is virtually zero.

Over a million dollars for every day the Virginia Legislature is in session. That's a lot to pay just to watch representatives masturbate to a map of the Holy Land.

Maybe Virginia should stick to state issues.

tim in vermont said...

I hope it works. If something doesn't work, things are not going to go well for a long time.

hombre said...

Taqiyya.

Islam preaches against Jews.

Thorley Winston said...

The voters time? Taxpayers dollars? The voters are the legislature, this wasn't a public proposition. And the incremental cost for this is virtually zero.


The Legislature works for the voters/taxpayers/residents of the State of Virginia and when they spend time and money on symbolic nonsense like this which is outside the jurisdiction of their State, they are wasting the time and money that belong to the voters/taxpayers/residents of the State of Virginia. If they've already solved the problems of their State, they should adjourn early and go home.

tim in vermont said...

If they've already solved the problems of their State, they should adjourn early and go home.

You should definitely vote against your state rep in Virginia if he was part of this. Otherwise, your irrelevant opinion noted.

I fee the same way about my senator, Bernie Sanders, pushing for a Fed bailout of Greece. What does that have to do with the issues of the State of Vermont, or Leahy trying to push gun grabbers onto the Supreme Court, for that matter.

But here we are and this is how our democracy works.

Revenant said...

when they spend time and money on symbolic nonsense like this which is outside the jurisdiction of their State, they are wasting the time and money that belong to the voters/taxpayers/residents

It is actually a bit worse than that, if you look up the text of the bill. It isn't "in support of Israel"; it is a call for total Israeli political supremacy over the Biblical lands of Israel, including the West Bank and Gaza.

In short, it is a bill that not only flaunts established US foreign policy going back to 1948, but flaunts established *Israeli* policy, too.

Michael K said...

"Over a million dollars for every day the Virginia Legislature is in session. That's a lot to pay just to watch representatives masturbate to a map of the Holy Land.

Maybe Virginia should stick to state issues."

Interesting. Good thing there have been no Muslim atrocities in Virginia !

Wait... I guess you have been pretty safe since those Muslim snipers.

Revenant said...

Interesting. Good thing there have been no Muslim atrocities in Virginia

1. Support Israel
2. ...
3. Virginia safe from Muslims!

Big Mike said...

I'd be more impressed with them if they flew down to Jordan and enlisted.

Revenant said...

You should definitely vote against your state rep in Virginia if he was part of this. Otherwise, your irrelevant opinion noted.

An amusing attitude to take, given that the thread kicked off with someone complaining that Virginia's Democratic legislators were refusing to vote. Either zero or one of them was his state rep, so why should we care about his opinion of the others' behavior?

Anonymous said...

The Legislature works for the voters/taxpayers/residents of the State of Virginia and when they spend time and money on symbolic nonsense like this which is outside the jurisdiction of their State, they are wasting the time and money that belong to the voters/taxpayers/residents of the State of Virginia. If they've already solved the problems of their State, they should adjourn early and go home.


Here's the difference between you and I.

I wish legislatures would waste more time doing nothing, and spend less time "Doing something!"


It's a disease, I tell you. It's the "We need to do something!" disease.

Just once I'd like to see a legislature get elected on the platform that nothing ought to be done. That every time they "Do something!" they end up just screwing things up more.

Drago said...

Yes madisonfella, that is one.

Wheres the rest of the them? You know, the ones that could be included in your "repeatedly" category?

madAsHell said...

Jericho.

gerry said...

An interesting Atlantic piece about what ISIS is really all about, with an excellent synopsis of Islamic theology, scripture, and eschatology.

Drago said...

Which begs the question: how often and by what mix of commenters would a phrase have to be posted to qualify as repeatedly?

If that sounds like I am being a bit too "precise" with our underpowered pal madisonfella its most likely due to a particular client who has been very squirrelly definitionally.

Drives me crazy.

Michael K said...

"an excellent synopsis of Islamic theology, scripture, and eschatology."

Pretty good for a lefty, which he is.

Drago said...

And if you have to go back to June of last year to find a particular phrase, does that really aggregate up to "repeatedly"?

Alex said...

This won't end well.

Drago said...

A dictionary definition of "repeatedly" gives us "over and over again; constantly"

I would think some discretion in the use of "repeatedly" would be wise in this circumstance.

But that's just me.

Shootist said...

@Alexander

The Indians you mentioned were late neolithic humans. The Europeans were post Enlightenment pre-Industrial humans.

The result was pre-ordained.

EMD said...

I'm with Thorley and Rev on the Virginia legislature business.

Maybe they should only convene 3 months out of the year.

richard mcenroe said...

"Wait a minute," one of the ringers said to a BBC cameraperson, "you mean we're supposed to allow the Jews back OUT?!"

Michael The Magnificent said...

Well I, for one, am glad someone (thank you Muslims!) is finally coming to the aid of the Jews, and keeping them safe from those murderous, raping, head-chopping, burn-them-alive Lutherans.

The Drill SGT said...

So this "Ring of Peace" is a bunch of folks standing around the Temple holding hands for 30 minutes then headed home?

Brings to mind Condi Rice's father after the Birmingham Al, church bombing. That night, Pop sat on the porch with his shotgun in his lap as the neighbors took turns keeping watch.

That's what it takes to protect Jews.

Guys with guns

Chef Mojo said...

Gosh. Such a nice, sweet, meaningless gesture. Yay, Muslims!

richard mcenroe said...

Hey, come on, it's not as powerful as a #hashtag... the Obama adminstration still leads the way in meaningless displays of faux compassion...

CWJ said...

Yes! Good for them. Let's not let our cynicism override their gesture. I'll leave it to the Jewish congregants on site to evaluate its effectiveness/sincerity. We commentators have been asking for this sort of behavior for quite some time.

OTOH, "Remember a few years back when everyone was crying joyful tears at the Muslims 'protecting' Coptic Churches in Egypt?"

Yeah, I don't remember that at all. However, I do remember my Egyptian daughter telling me about her Coptic neighbors being burned out of their homes and the "Brotherhood" painting the Arabic equivalent of "C" on people's doors.

David said...

Curious George said...
Meanwhile, Democrats in the Virginia House of Delegates walked out, twice, rather than vote on House Bill HJ 659, a bill in support of Israel.


Watch out, African-Americans. You could be in line for similar treatment when you have outlived your usefulness to the Democrats.

David said...

gerry said...
An interesting Atlantic piece about what ISIS is really all about, with an excellent synopsis of Islamic theology, scripture, and eschatology.


Or an overblown superficial mess pretending learning and authority.

Take your pick.

tim in vermont said...

An amusing attitude to take,

Hey, all I said was that legislators waste time all the time, spend time working against the best interests of their state, etc, etc..

I would rather have them wasting their time than passing new restrictions on the freedom of their constituents.

tim in vermont said...

Look how much time Vermont spent trying to inflict single-payer on us, only to abandon it as unworkable for reasons pointed out at the outset.

RecChief said...

what could go wrong>?

SGT Ted said...

How much do you have to hate your own civilization to think that the major problem is the reaction of Western Civilization to Muslim violence, rather than Muslim violence itself?

This.

SGT Ted said...

Note that the peaceful Muslims never form a peace ring around the houses of their fellow Muslims who are radicals and ask them to adapt to western tolerance or leave Norway.

Kaos said...

Taqiyya...da dum da da da Taqiyya

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

Sebastian said...

Since others have cited the Atlantic piece on ISIS, here's an earlier take, also by an apparent leftie, on Islamic violence: http://www.hoover.org/profiles/mark-gould

Revenant said...

I would rather have them wasting their time than passing new restrictions on the freedom of their constituents.

Well, no argument there. Really, if $72 million a year paid for a Virginia legislature that never did anything at all, the state would likely benefit.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Shootist,

The Indians you mentioned were late neolithic humans. The Europeans were post Enlightenment pre-Industrial humans.

I think my Enlightenment must be a little later than yours. Maybe you meant "Renaissance"?

MadisonMan said...

Maybe the Peace Ring people can get Cat Stevens (or whatever his name is now) over to sing Peace Train.

richard mcenroe said...

"Watch out, African-Americans. You could be in line for similar treatment when you have outlived your usefulness to the Democrats."

Why do you think the Dems support open borders. They need a dependent voter base that will show up at the polls on order, something African-Americans have sucked at per capita.

If the Democrats hadn't been buying black votes with someone else's money (OURS), the black vote would have shown a lousy return on investment.

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MadisonMan said...

...and then I see Meade rewriting Oh Very Young in another thread.

Yusuf.

Michael McClain said...

Trust in God, but keep your powder dry.

Gusty Winds said...

@Gerry said: interesting Atlantic piece about what ISIS is really all about, with an excellent synopsis of Islamic theology, scripture, and eschatology.

I read the article tonight after seeing the author on Anderson Cooper. It is scary, and should be required reading.

I came away from the reading with some sympathy to Obama's refusal to acknowledge ISIS as a religious authority, even though they are deeply Islamic. Their barbarism is based purely on the writings of Mohammed, a false prophet, and the original Islamic extremist.

Article in short: ISIS is setting up an apocalyptic tar baby.

Laslo Spatula said...

Sure: it starts with a 'peace ring', then it's a gigantic cock ring, then it is a daisy-chain of people sucking cocks and ass-mongering. When they are sucking cocks and ass-mongering ANYONE can walk by.

I am Laslo.

Laslo Spatula said...

Am I not the only one who sees this?

I am Laslo.

Laslo Spatula said...

Great: you are attending your synagogue, meaning no harm to no one, and some guy walks right past all the people sucking cock in a circle and he shoots you.

This is so damned European.

I am Laslo.

Laslo Spatula said...

Suck harder and maybe the guy with the AK-47 will go away.

It could happen.


I am Laslo.

Shootist said...

@Michelle Dulak Thomson

15th-17th century = Enlightenment. Protestant Reformation in full swing.

14th-17th century = Renaissance

Yes. Both. The point being, the advanced civ will destroy the less advanced civ Except perhaps in the case of Islam. Time will tell.

Revenant said...

15th-17th century = Enlightenment

17th-18th century, not 15th-17th.

Shootist said...

@Revenant

ok. Precisely. The enlightement is an era from the 1650s (15th) to the 1780s (18th)
wiki.

Carry on.

Saint Croix said...

thats a beautiful story, Althouse, thanks for sharing that!

Revenant said...

The enlightement is an era from the 1650s (15th) to the 1780s (18th)

1650 = 17th.

Lyle Smith said...

Awesome! More power to this 17 year old and his compatriots. We need more of this. I hope hundreds, if not thousands join him.

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jimbino said...

Why doesn't this group of Muslims just encourage ISIS to do religious oppression the Amerikan way: insist that "Allahu akbar" or "Boko haram" be engraved prominently on all the bills and coins, that "moments of silence" be observed at public facilities so as to grant time for the believers to pray, require pledges and anthems of religious patriotism in all classrooms and sports events, and provide for monuments engraved with the Koran to be featured in courtrooms, park lands and national monuments throughout the land?

Not to mention, found public schools to indoctrinate the youth in ISIS "exceptionalism."

Revenant said...

Personally, I would love to witness the reaction from American Christians if the US government started engraving "Allahu akbar" on our currency.

Half the people here seem to think it is a taqiya-based Muslim conspiracy that this 17-year-old wants to help protect a synagogue. They'd shit themselves in half if someone got Islamic cooties on our money.

rhhardin said...

I'd form a mood ring.

sparrow said...

Every little thing that's good should be praised. It might not amount to much, but it shows the reach of Jihad is limited.

MaxedOutMama said...

What I cannot and could not fathom is how this action was supposed to address prejudice against Jews??

I have returned to this post five times wondering why others aren't as struck by that issue that is so overwhelming to me??

WHAT DOES HER STATEMENT MEAN??? What could it possibly mean?

Or is the "peace ring" a ring of separation and not protection, in which case it is an implied attack on Jews????

Robert What? said...

Look, he is a seventeen year old, idealistic kid. I'm not going to fault him for that. I just hope he lives to see his eighteenth birthday.

Rusty said...

Revenant said...
Personally, I would love to witness the reaction from American Christians if the US government started engraving "Allahu akbar" on our currency.

Half the people here seem to think it is a taqiya-based Muslim conspiracy that this 17-year-old wants to help protect a synagogue. They'd shit themselves in half if someone got Islamic cooties on our money.


I can guarantee one thing won't happen. Heads will not roll.