Why attack a satirical newspaper? What was your first thought there?
[The satirical weekly] Charlie Hebdo has been attacked in the past for satirizing Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. Its offices were firebombed in 2011 after publishing a cartoon of the prophet on its cover promising “100 lashes if you don’t die laughing!”"Ramandan" is a typo in The New York Times. Here's what the Charlie Hebdo cover looks like, with: "En 2022, je fais Ramadan!"
The cover of the newspaper on Wednesday featured a caricature of Michel Houellebecq, a controversial novelist whose sixth novel, “Submission,” predicts a future France run by Muslims, in which women forsake Western dress and polygamy is introduced. On the cover, Mr. Houellebecq is depicted as a wizard and smoking a cigarette. “In 2022, I will do Ramandan,” he is shown saying.
Charlie Hebdo, which prides itself on skewering a wide range of targets with garish cartoons and incendiary headlines, has long been vulnerable at its Right Bank headquarters, where it has weathered a firebombing, a lobby shoot-out and now a massacre.Yes, you can see on that cover: "Jésus/A-t-il existé?" Maybe it was Christians with the Kalashnikovs.
The journal is part of a venerable tradition in France, deploying satire and insolence to take on politicians and the police, bankers and religions of all kinds, including this week a mock debate about whether Jesus existed or not.
ADDED: "[V]ideo, recorded by the French journalist Martin Boudot from a nearby rooftop as shots were fired — and the attackers shouted 'Allahu Akbar'... posted... by French state television":
VIDEO. Des images de l'attaque au siège de...
There is also video of the 3 gunmen shooting at the police.
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Nothing like a true believer to go ahead and prove the point of their harshest critics.
Maybe it was Christians with the Kalashnikovs.
Yeah, OK. I get it, all religions are identical except for the details of the organization their hate.
You could mock Christians as much as you like and never receive worse than an angry letter. Muslims however are quintessentially intolerant.
"Maybe it was Christians with the Kalashnikovs."
Tell you what, I'll publicly mock Christianity, you publicly mock Islam.
The purpose of the attack is self-censorship. I suspect it will be successful.
Prediction: the French government will crackdown on satire.
You folks might note my avatar. It is a 14th century painting of Mohammed.
PS: I've got lots of friends with long guns
I hope they find these gunman's families, and deport them. I'm sure they'd find Syria or Algeria more to their liking than Paris.
Just heard on CNN that we need to go back to how awful our country treated Muslims after 9/11. The French need to be careful about how they respond to this attack.
Because you know......
Jen Psaki says this can't be the act of Muslims. Muslims don't act like this.
Marie Harf is still working on her hair.
Just when the anti anti-Muslim protests in Germany seemed to be getting the upper hand, some Muslims decide to jump in and give great big shout out to the anti-Muslims.
Next up: Moderate Muslims the world over decry Islamophobia.
Another random act of "workplace violence"?
Where's the outrage from the "moderate" muslims?
Maybe we need to make a PSA to instruct Muslims that shooting people is not okay.
That should fix it.
I am Laslo.
Fucking savages. They need to be put down like the rabid dogs that they are.
Islam is incompatible with modern civilization, period.
Tim, I think the Christians with Kalashnikovs line was satire. Kind of fits with the story, nest-ce pas? You may have reacted over-seriously to satire.
In other news, Egypt's al-Sisi made a speech calling for moderation, a push-back against violent Islamism, and, essentially, an Islamic "reformation." So far as I can tell, radio silence.
http://janetheactuary.blogspot.com/2015/01/parking-link-what-do-you-make-of-al.html
Can't wait to see what the crowd size estimates are of next week's Pegida marches.
And I'll now check my facebook news feed to see what my old high school friend, then living in the U.S. with her expat family, now back in France, has to say.
"Overseas Workplace microaggressions" - US State Department
Headed to France last year, we got serious advice from liberal French friends not to take the train into Paris from Charles De Gaulle airport. Reason: the danger at train stops in muslim suburbs outside of Paris. They were not kidding.
Well, you can bet that the stalwart and brave western press will be up in arms at the religion of peace after this.
Religion of Peace, Dammit!
Rae said...
Prediction: the French government will crackdown on satire.
The French have used very rough tactics against internal threats. My guess is they will again as a response to this.
Obama was right again! "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. "
Nope, just 'workplace violence', nothing to see here. Please return to your campus speech codes, censoring comedians, politically correct tv shows. 'Proper writing". Let's continue to examine our speech, find hidden meanings, expose sexism and homophobia.
Palin is always a correct target, as are most conservatives. And anything white.
Support the narrative, its more important than facts, always remember that, comrade.
and above all, remember that Orwell is a fiction writer, whose work has no application in the 'narrative world'.
"Prediction: the French government will crackdown on satire."
No, don't think they're going to roll over on this one. Keep in mind this is the same French government that already enforces a ban on headscarves and other religious symbols in schools.
Jesus is a prophet in Islam. Disrespect to Jesus can be fatal.
The only proper way to attack a satirical newspaper is with fake guns.
LEARNING FROM HISTORY: A saner, in 1492, Spain resolved that problem by expelling all Muslims.
The USA still has time!
Parisian Cops react with more vigor than the NYPD when thugs kill cops.
Expect folks to be rousted in the 'burbs tonight looking for accomplices...
v.rahmatullah said...
These killings are unreligious as no religion, including Islam support, this kind of behaviour.
Well, yeah, that's obvious because there have never, ever been any examples of violence based on religious beliefs. None. Ever. Anywhere.
So this incident was obviously the work of amoral atheists angry about the magazine making fun of nothing.
The purpose of the attack is self-censorship. I suspect it will be successful.I hope you aren't right, but 10 people brave enough to resist self-censorship are dead.
My first thought was, gee, how many ethnic groups respond with violence when made fun or or criticized?
The world seems to be hating on Jews, but let me count all the violent responses and acts of terrorism committed by Jews against the nation in which they live. Hmmm. Same with Christians and other religious sects.
Banning the immigration of Moslems seems to me no different than banning entry from Ebola stricken countries. And why would any Moslem be surprised or not comprehend the rejection of more of their people being allowed into a country?
I reject the notion that it is a phobia. Meanwhile I will be heading to the largest Islamic country in the world in a few weeks.
What a tragic case of workplace violence! The reported Islamic shouts (like at Fort Hood) are surely just a coincidence, I'm sure. Nothing to see here. Move along.
v.rahmatullah
I think you are wrong. I think the beliefs that led to this violence is central to the faith. The prophet has been mocked openly, hilariously, repeatedly by this magazine and that cannot stand.
This "bring them to justice", hang them from the Eiffel tower is a pretty thought, but how about putting the cartoons on the front page of every newspaper in the civilized world every day until these primitives heads explode?
I think your religion of peace is turning out to be an especially stupid and barbaric one.
Oh, and neither you or your children were murdered in France. Platitudes appear to be the defense of the members of the religion of peace who appear unwilling to step into the modern world.
Prediction: There will not be a march of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Paris in protest to this barbarity. Prediction: There will be platitudes heaped on platitudes which will be feasted upon at a gathering of the concerned.
My actual first thought is of our President saying "The future must not belong to those who would slander the Prophet Mohammed" in response to the Bengazi attack.
My actual second thought is what a cowboy, rush-to-judgement president France has, as evidenced by his thoughtless and premature characterization of this event as "terrorism".
Rae beat me to it.
I think that West is at war with all of Islam, whether we like it or not. And we seem to be losing.
I bet of we guys started calling ourselves the "Gender of Peace" we wouldn't have to put up with so many PSAs about how awful we are for hitting women.
The French get an undeserved reputation for weakness (admittedly I have made my share of jokes at their expense) but they really can be quite badass when their interests are at stake. And they don't have the civil liberties we have, so I expect a pretty harsh response.
What I can't get is the mindset of the terrorists here--a satirical magazine that few people have heard of is now getting far more press, and Muslim extremists yet again are being seen as humorlous and murderous and vile. Does that defeat satire?
James Pawlak said...
LEARNING FROM HISTORY: A saner, in 1492, Spain resolved that problem by expelling all Muslims.
The USA still has time!
That was the jews. Islam was ushered out of Spain before that.
PS: I've got lots of friends with long guns
More than you know ;-)
No doubt if Obama and the French treat this as 'workplace violence' then the Muslims will see us as all weak and up the violence to cow everyone into 'submission'.
After all, 'submission' is their goal, right?
"This "bring them to justice", hang them from the Eiffel tower is a pretty thought, but how about putting the cartoons on the front page of every newspaper in the civilized world every day until these primitives heads explode?"
How about both? Kill the bastards responsible, and republish the "offending" material as much as possible to make clear how self-defeating their form of violent censorship is.
I don't like to offend people who had nothing to do with it, but most likely they'd also be the ones least likely to find such publication offensive. Meanwhile, would-be killers learn that stomping out satire is like trying to kill the hydra.
God bless brave people.
I bet of we guys started calling ourselves the "Gender of Peace"
ROTFLMAO
Je Suis Charlie
Rusty said...
That was the jews. Islam was ushered out of Spain before that.
From 1482 to 1492, Castile and Aragon fought the "War of Granada" with the Moors. The end of which destroyed the last Muslim entity in Iberia.
The wiki version:On January 2, 1492 Muhammad XII of Granada (King Boabdil) surrendered the Emirate of Granada, the city of Granada, and the Alhambra palace to the Castilian forces.
The Jews were expelled just after the Moorish issue was resolved...
These killings are unreligious as no religion, including Islam support, this kind of behaviour.
I've been waiting for the Religion of Peace to have its universal face/palm moment for more than 14 years.
Given Mr. Rahmatullah's comment I conclude my wait shall go on, and on...
Sweepstake anyone? How many times will we be told these butchers don't represent Islam?
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned." (The Quran)
78% of British muslims support punishment for people who publish cartoons of Mohammed (2006 survey by NOP Research)
36% of young British muslims believe apostasy should be punishable by death (2007 survey by Populus).
If I were Hollande, I would start by demolishing the twelve largest mosques in France, one for each victim. No, it's not justice. It's retribution.
"The Future Must Not Belong to Those Who Slander The Prophet of Islam'... POTUS Obama
And now it doesn't, to at least 12 folks who were alive yesterday.
Maybe we can make some PSAs telling jihadists that terrorist attacks in response to free speech are wrong.
The Drill SGT said...
"Parisian Cops react with more vigor than the NYPD when thugs kill cops."
When the Paris police found out that the people doing the shooting had weapons, they ran like little girls.
My idea of a PSA catering to Muslim men:
Have muslim kids standing in front of pretty girl.
Director says: caress her. They do (but only if she has her face covered. Otherwise they are allowed to throw acid in her face)
Director says make Make funny faces at woman.
Director says: Slap her. If they don't, then say "she's trying to get an education." Or "she's a Zionist Israeli" see how many then do.
Director says: she insulted the Prophet Mohammad.
See how many the go on murderous rampages and destroy embassies, kill people in streets or commit acts of murder.
The message of the PSA: don't f with Muslims.
I have to say, if I were going to publish cartoons designed to piss off Muslims, I would make damn sure I had armed guards on the front door. A government that tolerates Islam cannot protect free speech. They are simply incompatible.
I wonder if the attack succeeded. They killed ten of the employees there. A lot of the surviving employees will not be so keen on going to work tomorrow. The writers will make a showing to prove that they're not afraid but what of the accounting clerks and receptionists. This is bound to have an inhibiting effect on such publications......I don't know anything about this magazine, but my guess is that if they're a satirical magazine, they find most of their targets on the right. They were probably supportive of Snowden and Assange and hostile to those who prosecute the war on terror. Now that journalists are being murdered in their workplaces, I wonder if that fact will cause journalists to rethink their hostility to surveillance of mosques and the like........Probably not.
Paul Zrimsek -- that's brilliant.
When the Paris police found out that the people doing the shooting had weapons, they ran like little girls.
I understood it to be that the first two cops on the scene were unarmed. or perhaps had only pistols. If that is the case, I don't impune their honor if they got under cover and called for back-up against guys with AK's...
another banner day for the Religion of Peace.
PSA for satirical paper. have a white atheist, a conservative male, a Christian male, a Jew male and a Muslim man stand in front of a cartoonist. He will lift up an offensive cartoon that targets their group. And see the reaction. The message of the PSA. Don't f with Muslims.
They will murder your ass.
"v.rahmatullah said..."These killings are unreligious as no religion, including Islam support, this kind of behaviour.""
I see that some people are responding to this comment, so I should say that I deleted it. Reason: It included a screenful of blank space after the written part.
Repost if you like, and please, everyone, notice if you do that, redo your comment, and delete the bad one.
If you read the Hadiths they end with the death of Mohammad and he tells his followers to go out and spread Islam at the point of the sword. Which they then do In Europe. Of course Europe then gets blamed for the crusades. But that reaction ignores that Islam had in fact proceeded to wage war against the west for centuries. The crusaders try to take back the holy lands, and they are suddenly the imperialists. ignoring the fact that Islam itself took those lands.
At any rate, when people say that no such religions countenance violence in furtherance of the religion, I'm not sure they are aware of Islams long history of doing just that.
I wonder when the next showing of the movie "El Cid" will be on cable?
And maybe reviewing the anti-terror techniques from "Battle of Algiers" would prove useful to the Parisian authorities?
Hey, haven't heard from the Red Brigade recently, maybe we should review who stopped them?
Terror only works until those being terrorized decide they have had enough of it. Then things get ugly, then things get better.
At 8:00 (central) CNN had brought in Anderson Cooper from from the evening. He was interviewing the idiot Christian Amanpour. The subject: this was this was all about an attack on journalists. At 9:37, this will only provide fodder for islamophobes to attack moderate muslems.
Further comment withheld.
Spain actually expelled the last Moslems long after it expelled the Jews. The Moslems, unlike the Jews, were initially permitted to stay on per the terms of the final peace treaty, and they did hang on under various accomodations, official and unofficial, until the 17th century and the final comprehensive expulsion. The differences vs the Jews was that there were many more Muslims, and the Muslims were the bulk of the rural population in several regions and thus were far more difficult to move than the urban Jews and expelling them meant a heavy hit to agriculture, particularly in the estates of the nobility and church.
Watch the video of them executing the police officer and never forget.
Know Islam, no peace. No Islam, know peace.
Now lets distinguish Muslims from Islamists. Islamists did this. Sure, all Islamists are Muslims, but Islamists are like white supremacists. Not all white people are white supremacist. Let's not make arguments using the logical fallacy of guilt by association.
Let us shame the hell out of Islamists though.
Perhaps we need a hashtag.
#NonMuslimLivesMatter comes to mind.
Let us shame the hell out of Islamists though.
Lyle, though you are correct in separating Islamics from Muslims, the analogy is "sharks swimming in the sea"
However, "Shame Islamists"? How could that possibly be effective. Shame Muslims perhaps into giving up info on sharks, but Islamics are not going to response to ugly hashtags from Michelle Obama
Only guys with guns can confront Islamics.
Trying to deny the connection between Muslims and Islamists, or Islamists and Islam is asinine.
Stare this horrible scourge in its face Muslims.
Drill Sgt,
Muslims can shame the hell out of these people. Look at Sisi's recent speech. He totally belittles these Muslim supremacists.
Yes, tragically, violence will have to be used to stop al Qaeda and the Islamic State.
My French fb friend switched her profile picture to this and I didn't know why. Now I do. She also posted a coexist sign, but we all know that is useless.
Looks like the mag isn't going to go quietly.
Hyperlink didn't work. Here it is:
http://fastncurious.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/charlie_hebdo3.jpg
The video of the gunman shooting the wounded cop is on a couple of UK newspaper sites. People are already tweeting links to the video with #HandsUpDontShoot tags.
There are already discussion of how this will effect the next round of French elections. Marine Le Pen's nationalist party will likely get a big boost from this attack.
"I reject the notion that it is a phobia."
As well you should, since that construct is pure propaganda. You should always reject the propaganda of your opponents.
I was criticized by our hostess for pointing that out in a post when the Canadian soldier was gunned down in Ottawa. She claimed that the video she posted showed "Islamophobia" which it certainly did not. Firstly, because the entire concept is bogus and therefore can't be demonstrated, and secondly, the behavior she highlighted didn't even mention Islam or make any argument about it. You're buying into self-serving CAIR propaganda if you use that term. It deserves scorn and nothing more.
At least Pres Hollande called it a terrorist attack. We might not expect this same from our administration.
"I wonder when the next showing of the movie "El Cid" will be on cable?"
I saw an add for it recently that it had been digitally remastered and was available on DirecTV.
"How many times will we be told these butchers don't represent Islam?"
They represent Islam until Islam does something about them.
How long before the lefties start up a scholarship fund for the shooters?
How did they not get these guys?
This is why, even though I am an atheist, I would get a tattoo of a cross. This is war, and they aren't going to let me go anyway. I would just like it clear which side I am on. The side of peace.
I would hope I would have the guts to flip them off before they killed me, and maybe some camera would catch it. I am not judging the cop who begged for his life, I am just saying I don't want to die begging for mine.
I wonder if a psychiatrist would have told that cop he suffered from a phobia, and to just relax and wait for the bullet?
I have emailed the publisher, editor-in-chief, managing editor, and front page editor of the Raleigh News & Observer newspaper calling on them to publish at least one of the French cartoons in their paper tomorrow, ideally on the front page.
We'll see how much courage they have.
At 9:37, this will only provide fodder for islamophobes to attack moderate muslems.
Reminds me of the evergreen joke Tim Blair related a decade ago:
"British Muslims fear backlash from tomorrow's bombing."
St. George said...
I have emailed the publisher, editor-in-chief, managing editor, and front page editor of the Raleigh News & Observer newspaper calling on them to publish at least one of the French cartoons in their paper tomorrow, ideally on the front page.
We'll see how much courage they have.
Maybe back when the Daniels family owned it, but since Gannett bought it? I wouldn't hold my breath!
David said...
Rae said...
Prediction: the French government will crackdown on satire.
The French have used very rough tactics against internal threats. My guess is they will again as a response to this.
1/7/15, 8:27 AM"
When stuff like this happened back in the early sixties there were lots of bodies found floating in the Seine. If bodies start floating in the Seine then you can believe the French will use rough tactics to this current internal threat.
Trashhauler said...
Perhaps we need a hashtag.
#NonMuslimLivesMatter comes to mind.
1/7/15, 10:13 AM
I like that and will try to start using it.
What use is a god who needs human protection? My God wears his big boy pants and does not require my assistance.
Trey
Lisle wrote
"Now lets distinguish Muslims from Islamists. Islamists did this. Sure, all Islamists are Muslims, but Islamists are like white supremacists. Not all white people are white supremacist. Let's not make arguments using the logical fallacy of guilt by association.
Let us shame the hell out of Islamists though."
This is very pretty talk. I actually like it. But let me amplify, clarify, your analogy a bit. All white people are not in the KKK but all white people do not wear hoods. It is not so easy to tell the islamists from the muslims. And there is a reason for that.
Thanks TGS.
I should have known that.
It appears to me this was a well organized and equipped attack. I suspect arms (AKs and possibly an RPG) came from the failed state of Libya, probably funneled thru Tunesia into Jihadist elements in France. If that is so, all of western Europe is in danger. (and please, this post is not meant to rehash the Benghazi incident)
Let us shame the hell out of Islamists though.
Been trying that for decades.
It seems to be a failing strategy.
>>Let us shame the hell out of Islamists though
You keep misspelling "shoot"...
Here is the key difference.
We police our own. Muslims do not.
Sure, not every Muslim is going to rape girls in Rotheham, blow up a train station in Madrid, or gun down people in Paris...
but they will make no effort to hinder those that do.
Very well. Live by the tribe, die by the tribe. A large Islamic population guarantees a segment of young males who will violently push for an Islamic state, and a magnitude more who will educate them that to do so is right, and will hide them from the authorities and fight the propaganda war on their behalf. Who will undermine and demoralize the host nation's faith, culture, society, economy, and welfare systems. Who will demand the right to vote, and proceed to vote for more immigrants of their own kind, and for more wealth from the host.
Kick them out. France for the French. Germany for the Germans. Holland for the Dutch. If the group dynamics are what they are, then the group must go.
When you allow people whose beliefs are antithetical to yours to move into your midst, this is the result. If you allow a nest of vipers into your home, how can you be surprised when innocents are bitten and die?
Find the gunmen. Capture them. Have women execute them. Enclose their corpses in hog carcasses. Leave them out in the sun.
Why do people persist in the belief that jihadists are afraid of being buried with pig parts?
Revenant: "Why do people persist in the belief that jihadists are afraid of being buried with pig parts?"
https://adask.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/muslim-kryptonite-pigs/
Although I cannot vouch for the universality of such thoughts/beliefs today.
Excellent question.
The Muslim's don't fear pork. They have turned it into a rhetorical weapon against the west. Ban the pork sausage! is just a way of undermining our resolve. Some mullah crying and babbling on the television about bacon left on his mosque's front door is a propaganda victory.
But the camera goes away, they garble a few chants and boom! problem solved.
The jihadist is, according to his faith, going to Allah. He can drink, smoke, rape, bugger a bloody hog if he likes and then piss on the Koran... and if he dies in the jihad, if he brings the entire world closer toward Dar-al-Islam... then he is favored by Allah.
You or I burying him in a pigskin makes no difference in the slightest. In fact, I imagine that the infidel befouling the remains of such a hero would just exalt the evil bastard higher.
Mockery on the other hand, is a great intellectual weapon, which is why they'll kill you for it where they won't kill you for throwing a pork chop. Mohammad with a turban bomb? Excellent. Death chant in "100 ways to die in the west" - we need 100 more films like that. Calling women in burqas 'ninjas' - keep it up. A perpetual intellectual (high and low) assault on Islam is absolutely essential. It's not sufficient, but it is essential.
But quit thinking that we're going to win a 1500 year old war some time tomorrow because we've got ham.
All that camel fucking makes them angry.
Je Suis Charlie. My heart is with the French today.
They represent Islam until Islam does something about them.
Who represents the bombing of the NAACP office in Colorado, I wonder.
We'll find out, won't we garage?
And then we'll see how many people seek to intellectually defend the perp.
Garage of course would attempt to obfuscate the issue because it terrifies him.
Foreign armies when defeated return home. POWs (well, among Christians, at any rate) get treated fairly well and are not stripped of their dignity. The vast majority of us only wish to see Islam removed from the west - we have no desire to kill them on their own towns if the are not around to kill us in ours.
Historically, Quislings tend to fare considerably more poorly.
But quit thinking that we're going to win a 1500 year old war some time tomorrow because we've got ham.
I don't know, a nice spiral sliced honey ham. Powerful stuff.
Garage of course would attempt to obfuscate the issue because it terrifies him
LOL. Okay dude.
garage,
I would say it is better than 50/50 it's an inside job. I can wait for the investigation, though I am sure you are already itching to blame people you don't like.
garage: "Who represents the bombing of the NAACP office in Colorado, I wonder"
LOL
You do white man.
Or haven't you been paying attention.
Given your very recent and vocal support of Hamas, it's not surprising you might want to shift the focus of this thread.
garage is the appeaser who wishes to be last one the crocodile eats.
https://adask.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/muslim-kryptonite-pigs/
And the Pershing story rears its silly head again. As Snopes notes, it isn't clear that Pershing ever did this -- and there is certainly no reason to believe that it worked.
Although I cannot vouch for the universality of such thoughts/beliefs today
You can't vouch for the universality of the beliefs a century ago, either.
In reality, of course, the supposed belief is theologically ridiculous, and has never been "universal". Muslims do not believe that you can keep someone out of Heaven by desecrating their corpse.
Some of the usual suspect-types are claiming it's the fault of the publication that they were gunned down in broad daylight.
Isn't that akin to slut-shaming a rape victim?
If one looks at the past 60 days, the vast majority of black businesses burned down or otherwise destroyed were by black men supposedly expressing grievances with the police in a Democract-controlled town.
So my money is on blacks. My next bet is white liberals seeking to frame. My last bet is a grandmother from Iowa who went to a tea party rally last year.
But hey, I could be wrong. We'll see.
But here's the question, if it does turn out to be a black man or a white liberal, will garage allow us to paint them as representative of the group the way he inevitably will if it turns out to be the grandmother? Inquiring minds want to know.
Given your very recent and vocal support of Hamas,
How recent would that be? I looked at the past year and didn't find anything. Except you flapping your mouth about it of course.
Michael,
You are right, it is hard to distinguish. But it is illogical to argue that all Muslims should be shamed over this. I have close Muslim friends who aren't that religious and they're American. They are own our side.
We have to treat people as human until they show us that we must treat them like we've treated so many al qaeda and Islamic State folk.
MJT: It's hard to psychoanalyze other people, but I sometimes suspect that blaming Salman Rushdie and Kurt Westergaard, as many writers have, for bringing down the wrath of these maniacs from Somalia and Iran, may be a way of convincing themselves they'll be safe as long as they don't cross the same line. Any writer or graphic artist must, at least for a second, think oh fuck, they could come for me if I don't watch out. They can say to themselves they'll be fine if they don't cross that line.
[emphasis added]
Garage: "I, for one, welcome our Islamist overlords!"
garage: "How recent would that be? I looked at the past year and didn't find anything. Except you flapping your mouth about it of course."
Ah yes. The patented garage "reset".
Well played.
BTW, what the hell are you still doing here? Don't you have a move to Minnesota to execute?
For what it's worth, I think at the Europeans will cower one more time here. But I think Germany is at the absolute boiling point, and the Nordics are not far behind. If this happened in Hamburg, or if a Rotherham is revealed in Berlin, then absolutely all bets are off.
Ah yes. The patented garage "reset"
Where are the links of my very vocal and very recent support of Hamas? Did you lie?
You'd better get busy garage. I'm sure there are Minnesota muslims who could use your help for escorting in order to protect them from marauding Tea Party-ers and Christians.
You are just the sort of "courageous" soul who would excel in that role.
Links? A link?
How recent would that be? I looked at the past year and didn't find anything. Except you flapping your mouth about it of course.
Oddly worded reply. If someone accused me of having vocally supported mass-murdering terrorist groups, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to say "no, I haven't" without needing to add "... within the last 12 months".
garage mahal: "Links? A link?"
LOL
Links links he demands! Of course, this is the same moron who claimed to have asked many "simple and easy to answer questions" regarding Ferguson, and continued to demand answers to those questions even after being informed that he had never asked any questions!
In any event: here you go moron, playing your role perfectly of the purveyor of Hamas talking points:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-would-you-do-if-your-neighbor.html
Send them to Norway, or perhaps Kosovo. The Norwegians love the consequences of diversity. They are competing with South Africa for the title of "rape-rape capital of the world", but strangely not of illegal aliens. At least not in Norway.
Revenant: "Oddly worded reply. If someone accused me of having vocally supported mass-murdering terrorist groups, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to say "no, I haven't" without needing to add "... within the last 12 months"
Well Revenant, as garage might say, it's easy to see you probably never played contact sports in school.
Further, you probably attended schools that used modular buildings! (another of garage's bugaboos)
Not sure what Drago is referencing but could it be this?
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2014/08/has-any-other-country-in-any-other-war.html?showComment=1407253778123#c4435755821329688097
In any event: here you go moron, playing your role perfectly of the purveyor of Hamas talking points
Come on! Which comment am I vocally supporting Hamas?
garage mahal said...
Israel is illegally occupying Gaza. Perhaps if Israel doesn't like getting nicked and scratched they should stop choking the victim.
Matt, your link would work as well.
To Revenants point (somewhat), what's most interesting about garages responses to terror acts by Hamas and earlier today in Paris is his immediate and desperate need to shift focus away from the terrorists and then categorically criticize others (always non-muslims).
That garage does this so effortlessly and mindlessly creates a blindspot in his memory where his rhetorical support for such blood thirsty groups doesn't even register for him as something significant.
Thus his strange answer (as recognized by Revenant) and failure to recognize the rhetorical support he provides to these groups.
I would lay odds that even re-reading his own posts will lead him to ask "what's the big deal".
Me: I would lay odds that even re-reading his own posts will lead him to ask "what's the big deal".
garage: "I would lay odds that even re-reading his own posts will lead him to ask "what's the big deal"."
Right. On. Cue.
Correction:
Me: I would lay odds that even re-reading his own posts will lead him to ask "what's the big deal".
garage: "Come on! Which comment am I vocally supporting Hamas?"
Right. On. Cue.
Drago: Which comment?
garage mahal: "Drago: Which comment?"
garage doubles down, yet oddly doesn't understand why. Even after it has been explained.
Even after it has been explained.
You've explained nothing. Which comment of mine in that thread vocally supported Hamas? You can't do it, can you?
garage: "You've explained nothing. Which comment of mine in that thread vocally supported Hamas? You can't do it, can you?"
LOL
Keep it up.
Everyone reading this will be most impressed with your "discernment".
Who represents the bombing of the NAACP office in Colorado, I wonder.
Going with recent history...a Progressive probably.
So, I'm supposed to take a guess at the post of mine where I allegedly and vocally support Hamas? LOL. You are a fucking piece of work Drago.
garage mahal: "So, I'm supposed to take a guess at the post of mine where I allegedly and vocally support Hamas? LOL. You are a fucking piece of work Drago"
LOL
I'm quite comfortable with others viewing this exchange and judging it accordingly.
Particularly with regard to my 2:33pm comment.
Going with recent history...a Progressive probably
The ineffectiveness of the bomb has "occutard" written all over it.
So my money is on blacks.
"Sanders said investigators were looking for a balding white man in his 40s who may be driving a dirty pickup truck. It could have an open tailgate or a missing or covered license plate." Link.
This terrorist attack wasn't from a black person it does not appear.
Bitchtits the Muslim appeaser.
Bitchtits the liar.
Bitchtits the middle school athletic hero.
Fuck you and your attempt at hijacking the thread.
garage: "This terrorist attack wasn't from a black person it does not appear."
With every comment garage proves the point.
Lots of white occutards garage.
garage mahal said...
On the one hand you have Israel, who is trying to protect it's own civilians and attack the enemy, who has surrounded himself with civilians to avoid targeting.
Israel is illegally occupying Gaza. Perhaps if Israel doesn't like getting nicked and scratched they should stop choking the victim.
8/5/14, 10:49 AM
The fat lilly white Jihadist, Bitchtits Mahal.
He puts the "Fat" in "Fatwah."
Yes, I remember garage saying that Gaza was "occupied" by Israel.
He had no idea that Israel had left Gaza in 2005.
None at all.
If reports that the actual terrorists (pay attention garage) from this mornings shooting have been identified (captured?) it looks like there might soon be a couple of "openings" in the terrorist network.
obama better hurry and get the last of the Guantanamo "innocents" released so they can take advantage of those openings.
Lots of white occutards garage.
Lots of white tea partiers too. President Moms Jeans is an angry, racist white teabagger, for instance. You can practically smell the fertilizer in his posts.
I take it as an honor to be insulted by a fat piece of shit hamas supporter who barely made it through middle school.
Tell me more about how racist I am, bitchtits, since you are so tight with "the blackys" as you like to describe them.
garage: "Lots of white tea partiers too."
And..........what?
Are they keeping French authorities from arresting your islamist heroes or something?
With such amazing reasoning skills and education, it is a wonder that your ex wife deserted you. Perhaps did not want her daughter raised as an islamic savage apologist.
It's okay thought fatty, it is evident that now you can just constantly dessert yourself.
Allahu Snackbar!
garage: "Lots of white tea partiers too."
Brian Ross made the same mistake. I'm surprised you aren't bright enough to learn from his error.
http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawire/181843/abc-news-speculates-theater-shooter-jim-holmes-linked-to-tea-party/
Garage's own link also notes that as the explosive was outside and very feeble, there is no evidence at this time that its proximity to the NAACP was anything but coincidence.
Not something garage mentioned. Funny, that.
Wow, those are some real fire takes there PMJ. Desert. Dessert. How can I ever recover from those owns?
So, where is President Gruber on all this?
'Workplace Violence'?
garage mahal: "Wow, those are some real fire takes there PMJ. Desert. Dessert. How can I ever recover from those owns?"
The same as everyone else.
Workout more.
Eat less.
Study more.
Any other questions?
tim in Vermont wrote:
This is why, even though I am an atheist, I would get a tattoo of a cross. This is war, and they aren't going to let me go anyway. I would just like it clear which side I am on. The side of peace.
Muslims consider Christians and Jews people of the book. They have SOME consideration for them since they supposedly are a sister religion. (Even though the jews and Christians perverted the religion with their foulness - even though they were there for centuries before Mohammad was even born). For that they get to be dhimmis and pay the tax to the muslim state for "protection". We can see how that works out for Jews and Christians in the ME.
But YOU? as an atheist? Islam doesn't play that. You'd be the first to go.
It is stunning to see Muslims on the Internet defend or at least excuse the attacks as if they were the victims. The monsters.
I'm not sure I want to associate with Muslims anymore.
I laughed when I saw a tweet earlier today from "God" saying, in effect, "I am the Lord God of All Creation and I can take a fucking joke."
But Muslims can't. Devout Muslims are not all violent, but they certainly don't do snark and irony. They don't find religion funny. They don't think diversity or tolerance are wonderful values.
In Philadelphia in 1725, anybody who made such a joke would have been flogged in the public square by those nice, gentle Quakers. And the onlookers would have thought it a just punishment for blasphemy.
But, because modern Christians and Jews are now far removed from that mindset themselves (although the dreary atheist crusaders would have you think otherwise), it's difficult for even religious Westerners to grasp that sort of mentality.
If it's hard for religious Christians and Jews, it's next to impossible for the secular leftists who make up our elite class. They lack the imagination to understand conservatives, for God's sake, so how on earth can they wrap their minds around the existence of people who are willing to kill and die in the name of something they believe to be an illusion?
They can't. And so over and over again, we have the idiotic spectacle of media people and pols rushing to tell us that these attacks and murders are not caused by Islam, when the terrorists themselves claim otherwise.
" We can see how that works out for Jews and Christians in the ME.
But YOU? as an atheist? Islam doesn't play that. You'd be the first to go."
1/7/15, 6:03 PM
I would imagine many atheists would get religion very quickly.
"I have close Muslim friends who aren't that religious and they're American. They are own our side. "
I just hope they aren't like the Muslim limousine drive from Irvine, about 5 miles north of me, who decided one day to drive to LAX and start shooting at the El Al counter.
After the gunman fired 10 bullets at the crowd, one of El Al's security guards, who was unarmed, managed to knock him down. Meanwhile, El Al's security officer, Chaim Sapir, ran to the scene but was stabbed by the assailant with a knife. Despite this, Sapir managed to draw his pistol and kill the gunman.The assailant was identified as Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, a 41-year-old Egyptian national who immigrated to the United States in 1992. Hadayet arrived in the United States from Egypt as a tourist.
Hadayet had a green card which allowed him to work as a limousine driver. He was married, and had at least one child. At the time of the shooting, Hadayet was living in Irvine, California.
Sudden jihad syndrome. Like the one that took down The Egypt air Flight in New York.
The report by the National Transportation Safety Board is due to be published shortly. It will conclude that el-Batouty forced the New York-to-Cairo plane down. The report will not attribute motives to him as to why he took the action nor will it suggest that he deliberately crashed the flight.
Just more "workplace violence."
Saying "I rely on God", he switched off the auto-pilot and pushed the plane into a dive.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
What we see in the Middle East is Christians being massacred. ISIS isn't one for nuance in the 'us vs. them' way of Islamic doctrine.
Obama finally got one thing right about the Middle East:
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.
Even though the jews and Christians perverted the religion with their foulness...
Not necessarily, more like their predecessors in the faith cling to an incomplete, out-of-date revelation, Mohammed's being the most current of the three.
Not much consolation to the poor sap getting his head sawed off in a live internet feed, but there you go.
Garage Mahal@2:31pmIsrael is illegally occupying Gaza.
Garage Mahal is just phucking stupid.
But then we knew that already.
Safer to make fun of Mormons and Catholics -- Mormons will turn the other cheek, Bill O'Donohue might issue a strongly worded press release.
The sheeple of the West are doomed. they refuse to see that they are in a war, and they are losing it. the only solution is to outlaw Islam, deport every Muslim back to their home shitholes, and proclaim that every terrorist attack will r esult in the vaporization of a Muslim city. a few megatons of disinfectant on Mecca, Medina, Qom, Teheran, etc will have a cleansing effect.
Well here we actually have a case of "hands up don't shoot".
Didn't do the unarmed French policeman much good. He was wounded and down on the ground and Abu Mohammed Goatassaulter finished him off with a burst from an AK 47. Where's Al Sharpton when you really need him?
French police are mostly unarmed. Up against two or three guys with AK 47's all they have to protect themselvesis begging and pleading and ol Abu Mohammed Goatassaulter and his ilk aren't much into mercy.
Still there's a certain innocence--or maybe just willful ignorance--in a society where the police are unarmed. I visit England frequently and I was used to seeing unarmed bobbies on foot patrol. It was a real shock the first time I saw a couple of London policemen carrying machine pistols while patrolling in Grosvenor Square outside the US Embassy. But the world has changed, and it's time for cops to arm up.
Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Hillary was telling us that we need to empathize with our enemies and try to see things from their perspectives? While she and Billy Jeff are raking in millions from the same regimes who sponsor said enemies.
Btw, you know the case of Prince Andrew being named in the suit of sex with underage girls on his pedo friend's orgie island....Epstein? The Clenis is also named in that suit. He was on Epstein's speed dial.
Lost in the news is that the magazine was a left wing one.
The most guns I ever saw in one place not a gun store was in England. Tony Blair's motorcade had just gone through an underpass I was waling though and there were cars parked around seemingly randomly, but as soon as his motorcade passed, all of these parked cars turned out to be full of men with all kinds of what looked like automatic weapons that sped off as soon as he passed. I guess it would have been a good place for an ambush.
Unarmed bobbies can call for armed backup on pretty quick notice. Law enforcement there has plenty of guns.
Michael, for the purposes of free speech that's pretty much irrelevant.
Rusty
You are right, it should be. But it is not. On the whole the left is increasingly willing to curtail speech it doesn't like.
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