December 11, 2014
About that grouse.
"Before lawmakers could agree to a $1.1 trillion, last-minute deal to avoid shutting down the U.S. government, they first had to deal with a couple of birds. The result is a 1,603-page spending bill that includes a paragraph barring the Obama administration from approving endangered-species protections for two types of sage grouse, an imperiled, pheasant-like bird that is ruffling the petroleum industry’s feathers across the West by cohabiting on prime oil and gas land. Now environmentalists are squawking...."
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It only makes sense to kill all these animals, after all. Postivism!
Then problem is that envirofascists have been abusing the endangered species act for decades to shut down energy development, resource extraction like logging and agriculture. The frauds are numerous. I bet the bird isn't anywhere near endangered.
I believe that if the birds are listed, huge swaths of land are locked away.
"I bet the bird isn't anywhere near endangered."
How To Respond to Environmental Issues 101. "I bet that ain't even an issue!"
The corporate environmentalists do not squawk about birds imperiled by windmill and solar farms. There are some conservationists that have squawked, but they are ignored by the mainstream press. The problem for cohabitation during deployment is elevated for windmill and solar farms. The problems during deployment are equally imperiling.
"Endangered" caribou were used to try and block the Alaska pipeline. Turned out, the caribou didn't give a damn about the pipeline.
Modern environmentalism is self-hatred.
Say it with me: "environmentalism is self-hatred."
They do it because they hate humans, because they hate themselves.
Actually, the caribou like the pipeline; they often bed their calves down beside it for the relative warmth of the oil flowing through.
And the grouse were arbitrarily declared endangered, much like the non-threatened Delta smelt that destroyed the Central Valley farms in CA.
Original Mike:
That's one of the problems in second (e.g. Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras) and third-world nations, where people, especially poor people, are prevented from exploiting the land to sustain their lives and improve their welfare. In America, the corporate environmentalists have forced environmental destruction to occur in other lands (e.g. China) in order to sustain "green" development.
Remember when we were warned the spotted owl was being exterminated by logging?
Turns out they were being exterminated by larger, territorially aggressive owl species. So you don't hear about the poor spotted owl anymore.
But the logging restrictions are still in place...
richard mcenroe:
Radiant heating system? Enterprising caribou.
In the spirit of discovering "endangered" species, the polar bears wandered back to the observation areas once their "food" returned. Apparently, there's a decadal pattern exhibited by the local conditions that escaped the notice of special interests... I mean, environmentalists.
The grouse can coexist well with the drillers. The radical environmentalists don't want that.
The solution is so simple. Whenever a species is put on the endangered list, collect a few eggs and sperm from a few dozen specimens then if they do go extinct, re-create them later.
A win/win for everyone that should even satisfy the envirofascists (if saving endangered species were their real goal).
You can't fight the science!
The government is not going to be shut down regardless. Sheesh.
Todd:
They can cohabitate with human womb banks and sperm depositors. Besides, if we can commit mass premeditated abortion of human lives, then why not simpler forms of life? Evolutionary fitness is a metric for a select class, not necessarily a species. The environmentalists know it. That's why they are not picketing Planned Parenthood et al. That's why the Left promote premeditated abortion in principle and practice, and the squishy middle tolerates its subsidy.
Harrogate: "How To Respond to Environmental Issues 101"
Uh, you should have written that as "How to Respond to Politicized Environmental Issues 909" since we've been down this road many times and there is quite a track record of your side being...lunatics.
Next up for harrogate: Birds are elitist and won't utilize "new growth" forests!!!!"
Except for the ones that do, which is all of them.
Curious George:
The federal government operates with trillion dollar deficits. The power of the purse is lost when the government operates without a budget.
Maybe the Grouse are supposed to go extinct........
Gahrie said...
Maybe the Grouse are supposed to go extinct........
12/11/14, 10:50 AM
But everyone of us is diminished whenever one of God's creatures is lost... except for those removed by Planned Parenthood or those removed by PETA or those removed by ACA cuts to end of life care or those removed by the loss of DDT or those removed by....
http://justplainenglish.blogspot.com/2012/02/more-peta-kills-animals.html
The Gunnison sage-grouse is only found a part of Colorado and Utah. The EDA designation is opposed by the Governors of both states and all 4 Senators. Including of course the 3 Dems in CO.
harrogate said...
It only makes sense to kill all these animals, after all. Postivism!
They do taste good.
Ya wanna save the sage grouse?
Quit farm and ranching in their range.
Which is pretty much all of the prairie states
I bet the bird isn't anywhere near endangered.
...unless he flushes into the blades of a wind turbine.
Grouse is pheasant-like?
Well, they are both in the order galliformes, but then so are turkeys.
BTW, pheasants are natives of the Himalayas, so according to the environmentalists, they should be eradicated in the Americas.
Pheasants are introduced?
The frauds are numerous. I bet the bird isn't anywhere near endangered.
Exactly. This whole idea of an "endangered species" is just a way for con men to grift money out of dumb suckers. There is an entire industry perpetrating the false idea that mankind is powerful enough to wipe an entire species out and that simply isn't true at all.
Have you seen the latest lies they are peddling?
http://www.nature.com/news/biodiversity-life-a-status-report-1.16523
The idea of animals being "wiped out" is ludicrous, and is nothing but a bunch of fear mongers trying to make a quick buck off dumb people.
1600 pages delivered the day before the vote.
Republicans taking a page from the Pelosi play book 'pass it to see what's in it' lawmaking.
After 4 years of complaining about that, they do the same trick.
I bagged my limit of Sage Grouse this year and they went down smoothly with wild rice and a Cabernet. Bit gamey from the sage diet and you have to draw them immediately and let them hang in a cool place for 48 hours before plucking.
The issue is corrupt environmentalists abusing the system.
The posts proving my contention are ignored by the ideologues much the same way discredited rape accusers are defended: the Narrative of rampant environmental threats must be serviced and maintained in the face of contrary evidence.
I've offered more proof of environmental fraud than Harrogate or Inga have as to actually endangered grouse.
All the major environment big money corporations routinely use chicken little fear mongering to raise money. Follow that money.
madisonfella:
Tell me how many species there are in the world within 50% and we can talk.
Original Mike said...
Pheasants are introduced?
Yes they are.
From China I think. The idea was to replace Prairie Chickens since pheasant can live on less land than a grouse and more and more of the grouses territory was being claimed for farming.
madisonfella said...
The frauds are numerous. I bet the bird isn't anywhere near endangered.
Exactly. This whole idea of an "endangered species" is just a way for con men to grift money out of dumb suckers. There is an entire industry perpetrating the false idea that mankind is powerful enough to wipe an entire species out and that simply isn't true at all.
Have you seen the latest lies they are peddling?
http://www.nature.com/news/biodiversity-life-a-status-report-1.16523
The idea of animals being "wiped out" is ludicrous, and is nothing but a bunch of fear mongers trying to make a quick buck off
You wanna save em?
Then go to those states where they are threatened and buy a hunting lisense. Join Grouse Unlimited. Put your money where your outrage is.
"Mark said...
1600 pages delivered the day before the vote.
Republicans taking a page from the Pelosi play book 'pass it to see what's in it' lawmaking.
After 4 years of complaining about that, they do the same trick."
Let's break down this stupidity:
ObamaCare which was passed with no GOP input or votes. ZERO.
This spending plan is and must be BIPARTISAN. The GOP does not control the Senate yet. Boehner is working with Pelosi...because he will not have enough GOP votes to get it out of the House, and Reid, to get the Senate to accept it.
You really just are not very bright.
Best view is that if a foreign nation did to us what the lying EPA Regs are doing using hoax science, we would have gone to war with them the next day.
The EPA is a deadly choke hold on all Americans. And Obama's appointed bimbo Administrators are the hired hit team.
traditionalguy:
The EPA, as well as other regulatory agencies, have their purpose and place. However, it must be acknowledged that excessive or irrational regulation is most onerous for small businesses and acts as large inertial force opposing creation of new businesses.
n.n said...
traditionalguy:
The EPA, as well as other regulatory agencies, have their purpose and place. However, it must be acknowledged that excessive or irrational regulation is most onerous for small businesses and acts as large inertial force opposing creation of new businesses.
12/11/14, 3:32 PM
Regulations are also a club used by Government and those with connections to Government to maintain control over others. To either protect their "turf" or affect behavior.
Todd:
I agree. Regulations may be excessive, irrational, or manipulative. Unfortunately, everything is potentially dual-use and is often distinguished by intent.
The environmentalists should not be squawking. They should be "pop[ing] curvaceous air sacs with a ziplike sound that can be heard two miles away."
Started to say they should be grousing, but ....
It's all about that grouse
About that grouse
About that grouse
It's all about that grouse
No pheasant
One of the Sage Grouse in question, on a mating lek, with a natural gas facility in the background:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Iy8Jk_Ys8p0/UyoEZmcnxaI/AAAAAAAAg58/Zu4WKpptoPA/s1600/Lesser-Prairie-Chicken-0248.jpg
Doesn't seem to disturb them all that much.
If a habitat becomes a house,
I can understand the need to grouse,
Even though it may seem batty,
I can understand their beef,
But I prefer to horse around.
I've never heard an explanation for why we should care if a particular species of bird is endangered or not.
Cheap energy is important. Having 10000 species of bird instead of 9999 isn't.
Revenant:
I understand your point. But get somebody to say how many species of birds exist. Try to find that number. You're giving too much credence to the self-titled environmentalists. They are Leftists in pursuit of power. Always and in every case.
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