November 28, 2014

The problem with the Ferguson grand jury process...

... from the point of view of Nancy Grace.

What I read between the lines is that she's frustrated that what could have been handled as a public trial, to be dissected, witness by witness, on high-rated commercial television, happened in secret, with the evidence dumped all at once and with the outcome already known.

Now, just because media commentators have an obvious and strong interest in fomenting suspicion and outrage does not mean that the evidence should not be analyzed and questioned. But even as they are suspicious of the various witnesses, I am suspicious of them. They do not want peace, love, and harmony. That's no kind of show. 

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Curious George said...

Not just Nancy Grace...the left is pissed because there is no trial...hell anyone can get a grand jury indictment if they want, right?

They don't care that the evidence proves no crime...have a trial!!!! (Well, except morons like garage)

It's chilling.

tim in vermont said...

After all, if you can indict a ham sandwich, surely you can indict a pig!

Laslo Spatula said...

"They do not want peace, love, and harmony. That's no kind of show."

Unless Peace, Love and Harmony are three strippers: THEN you have a show.

I am Laslo.

Tank said...

“When people say, it does not add up, I will tell you what doesn’t add up, these photos,” Grace said, holding up copies pictures of Wilson’s face after the shooting. “I’ve looked at a them, I’ve studied them, and I was expecting to see his face mangled.” She added, “He doesn’t even have a bruise. right? It’s red. He’s got a red mark!”

***

Finally, Grace questioned Wilson’s assertion that all he wanted to do in the moment of the shooting was “live.” She said, “If you wanted to live, then put the pedal to the metal and drive when the guy is trying to jump in your car and grab your gun!”


1. Grace thinks that he wasn't attacked "enough" unless his face was what..? Broken bones? Split open? It's not enough to have a large red bruise showing you've been hit in the face? This is her concern?

2. Grace apparently thinks that police officers should run away from criminals they are trying to apprehend. Wilson knew that Brown was the robbery suspect at that point. Grace thinks Wilson should have let him escape instead of staying and trying to apprehend him. Weird.

Birkel said...

Building off Tank's comment:
Nancy Grace *blech* is arguing not for a heckler's veto but a criminal assailant's veto.

RuyDiaz said...

"She added, “He doesn’t even have a bruise. right? It’s red. He’s got a red mark!”"

Somebody needs to explain to Nancy how coagulation works.

Humperdink said...

That Nancy Grace still has a show surprises me, but then so does The Most Reverend Al.

mr said...

I suppose that for some people, police officers are required to take just enough of a beating to satisfy the Nancy Grace's of the world, but not so much as to be incapacitated in the performance of their duties, which for ratings sake better be a shooting and big public trial.

I'm sure that other officers will keep Nancy Grace's desires in mind the next time they are being punched in the face by a criminal they are duty-bound to arrest.

Laslo Spatula said...

Feed them to the lions, but can you do it not all at once?

Crimso said...

"After all, if you can indict a ham sandwich, surely you can indict a pig!"

An old friend from high school is an attorney. On Facebook he posted something about a ham sandwich, and somebody asked what he meant. He pointed out that it has long been said that you can get an indictment against a ham sandwich. He said that was apparently no longer true.

My first thought was of Navin Johnson, when the sniper was trying to kill him. He kept missing and hitting cans of oil instead. Johnson's conclusion: "He hates these cans!" My friend was faced with a couple of possibilities: 1) the grand jury process had gone horribly wrong, either due to the DA or the racism of the jurors or both; or 2) there was not sufficient evidence to conclude it was reasonably possible Wilson committed a crime (not exactly unheard of).

Some talking head attorney on CNN said she read everything that was released from the grand jury proceeding and said it was clear to her why Wilson was not indicted: there was not a shred of credible evidence (CREDIBLE) he committed any of the possible crimes they were considering.

Tank said...

For those interested in a thorough review of the evidence before the GJ, Andrew Branca is going over it piece by piece at Legal Insurrection. He did a very good job on the Zimmerman, and other, cases. He has not reached the "hands up" witnesses yet, but has hinted that the review of their testimony will be entertaining (and not for its truthiness).

mr said...

Reminds me of the Zimmerman case. I heard up and down that the guy wasn't hurt enough to justify shooting a gun.

Here's a tip to people who have never been in a fight: when you are losing, you want it to stop right now before you suffer permanent damage.

Hagar said...

Is Nancy Grace someone famous?

garage mahal said...

When a rich, white conservative gets served a subpoena from law enforcement it's like Hitler marching into Poland. Gulags and Guillotines.

When law enforcement shoots and kills a poor black kid 6 times, well, you can guess what the reaction will be with 100% certainty.

Paul said...



Wilson is not a human tape recorder.

It is well known that in intense situations people many times exhibited auditory exclusion, tachypsychia (time seeming to slow down or speed up), tunnel vision, remembering events out of sequence, and other things.

Hence the use of recording devices are gaining in popularity in police forces to give an accurate record of events.

I find nothing wrong in what he did given the circumstances. It could have been a black cop and white kid, same outcome.

mr said...

garage mahal said...
"When law enforcement shoots and kills a poor black kid 6 times, well, you can guess what the reaction will be with 100% certainty."

Yup. Rioting, arson and mayhem.What's your point?

Fernandinande said...

mr said...
I heard up and down that the guy wasn't hurt enough to justify shooting a gun.


I think the (uninjured?) shop-keeper would have been 100% justified in shooting the overgrown POS who was robbing and assaulting him.

CWJ said...

garage wrote -

"When law enforcement shoots and kills a poor black kid 6 times, well, you can guess what the reaction will be with 100% certainty."


Law enforcement killed him 6 times? Yeah garage, that does seem like overkill.

Fernandinande said...

garage mahal said...
shoots and kills a poor black kid 6 times,


The helpless babe-in-arms didn't get killed six times.

Abdul Abulbul Amir said...

Nancy Disgrace.

Laslo Spatula said...

"Protester Taylor Gruenloh, a 32-year-old white man from nearby Florissant, said that while he believes there's truth to claims that Brown had his hands raised when shot, the lack of proof makes little difference to protesters who have found it to be a unifying force.
"Even if you don't find that it's true, it's a valid rallying cry," he said. "It's just a metaphor"."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FERGUSON_HANDS_UP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-27-15-46-08

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Nancy Grace. It is logicsl that news organizations have a bias to find ways to get people to pay for subscriptions and then sell their attention-getting behavior to advertisers. Thanks for saying so right out loud. Journalists have a simbiotic relationship with attention-getting agitators. There is a local agitator who is always consulted for his take on any story that can be presented as an issue of race relations. Any time he picks up a bull horn or picket sign he gets on the front page and the six o'clock news.

Thanks for taking your news cameras to lower middle-class areas to incite riots. That makes them easier to avoid for everyone else. It does victimize the local residents but I know journalists are out to change the world and rich people have guns, security people, and lawyers--and know how to use them to avoid hosting the riots needed for social progress and good ratings.

The Drill SGT said...

garage mahal said...
shoots and kills a poor black kid 6 times,


The universal lesson I would take from it is:

"Trying to wrestle a gun away from a policeman is always going to turn out badly for someone."

alternately:

"Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

April Apple said...

292 pound innocent tiny teen-- Killed 6 times by white racist cop, for no reason whatsoever.

There's your democrat media complex headline.

April Apple said...

Nancy Gruber.

Bob R said...

Megan McArdle does a pretty good job laying out the options open to McCulloch. The fact that he chose the unusual step of laying out all the evidence to the grand jury indicates pretty strongly that he at least thought he couldn't get a conviction. (Read the appalling lethal use of force statute for Missouri. Their cops basically have a license to kill.)

garage mahal said...

"Trying to wrestle a gun away from a policeman is always going to turn out badly for someone."

Allegedly. We'll never know.

mr said...

garage mahal said...
"Allegedly. We'll never know. "

I don't expect to get a straight answer, but I'll ask anyway: Upon what do you base your skepticism about whether or not Brown attempted to grab the gun? Please be specific, and provide links to what evidence you rely on.

Birkel said...

Not only dose "garage mahal" think a person can be killed six times, he also believes guillotines were made famous in Poland.

I am beginning to think the middle school athletic achievements were not worth the long-term brain injuries.

Original Mike said...

"I don't expect to get a straight answer..."

You won't.

Birkel said...

Now "garage mahal" is only willing to stipultae that something allegedly turned out badly in this sitaution. Apparently it would have taken killing the black man 7 times for the allegedly to be lifted.

iowan2 said...

Here is what I have learned from the left.

Gay Marriage? The process has spoken. Regardless of the peoples right to elect representatives to write the laws they live with, the process has spoken.

Illegal aliens? The Executive has the power to ignore existing law and write his own law, with out congress, despite the peoples right to elect legislatures to represent them.

Ferguson MO? The prosecutor is an elected official, that was just elected by overwhelming majority of the citizens he represents. The prosecutor has acted well with in his rights and followed all applicable laws and statutes.

Please explain why even one person has any grounds to be disappointed in the process

After reading listening and watching the citizens of Ferguson. The only conclusion I have reached is and indictment would have resulted in exactly the same riots, giving people and excuse to steal and destroy the property of their neighbors. The disappointment is in the fact that with out a trial, there is no opportunity to riot, steal and destroy after that outcome is handed down.

Why?

Past action in Ferguson have proven that the citizens of Ferguson desire to live in the community they have created.

The Drill SGT said...

garage mahal said...
"Trying to wrestle a gun away from a policeman is always going to turn out badly for someone."

Allegedly. We'll never know.


Seriously?

1. Testimony by black witnesses that Brown reached into the car and struggled with Wilson?
2. Wilson's bruises could only have happened in the car by every account
3. coroner exam states that the wound in Brown's hand was a contact wound.
4. Brown's blood is splattered against the driver door INSIDE, meaning the gun and wounded hand were to the left of the inside drivers door panel...

One can argue about whether the shots outside the car were needed, but I can't see any doubt that there was a violent and deadly struggle inside the car.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they could feed Nancy Grace to the crowd.

garage mahal said...

Upon what do you base your skepticism about whether or not Brown attempted to grab the gun? Please be specific, and provide links to what evidence you rely on.

Because if that were your kid you would want a clearer, more definitive answer than "welp, the cop said so and we'll have to just leave it it that".

Moose said...

Excellent analysis, Ann.

Anonymous said...

When you've lost the psychotic hell bitches, you've lost America.

Humperdink said...

"Because if that were your kid you would want a clearer, more definitive answer than "welp, the cop said so and we'll have to just leave it it that"."

Gee, I thought there were other witnesses. My bad.

Birkel said...

Other witnesses and forensic evidence. But for somebody with the deductive powers of "garage mahal" that just can't be enough.

The Crack Emcee said...

Garage,

Forget it - you can't expect Nazis and slavers to think human life is worth anything. Definitely not worth "Rioting, arson and mayhem" because blacks have always only been seen as white's slush fund for buying more things. The things are all they see.

The fact, that by white orchestration, blacks don't usually have the things we need escapes them - just as the worth of a human life does.

That's why mr. asks "What's your point?"

These people are products of this culture.

Slavery, Jim Crow, the hounding of MLK, redlining, restrictive covenants, mass incarceration, and on and on and on. A never-ending white kleptocracy based on black's mass murder.

They've never recognized the worth of other's humanity - nor their, or their culture's, lack of any - and they never will,...

Birkel said...

Also, if my kid were killed by police I'd be asking why the police killed a three year old girl.

If she were a 300 pound man attacking the police officer inside his cruiser, I'd be burying him and hoping to live down the shame that my little girl grew up to be an obese criminal.

Birkel said...

When granddad was born on the res, he had a choice. Thanks granddad.

garage mahal said...

The lesson is always, always always always trust the government when they kill your child. Shut up, and do not question anything. If you absolutely require some sort of explanation check your local right wing website.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Poverty Pimp and Fatty McNoCollege.

The leading intellectual lights of the Democratic party, you know, the one that just had it's prosecutor come back with no indictment.

Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were both worthless thugs and the world is better off with them feeding worms.

Big Mike said...

Apparently in the world envisioned by Nancy Grace, and Crack and garage, whites have no right of self defense if attacked by young black men. That includes police officers.

Krumhorn said...

What they wanted was a televised trial like The OJ circus. The lefties and racial agitators don't want more information and clarity. What they want is more opportunity to howl and yowl and drag it out right up to the 2016 elections.

- Krumhorn

Birkel said...

As a Native, that rule matters not to me, Big Mike. However I am not sure where I am on the pecking order. Can you help?

Am I allowed to defend myself from a gay black woman?
Am I allowed to defend myself from an amputee?
Are there any groups who have greater moral authority than do I?

Calculus was never my best discipline and this new math is tricky.

mr said...

garage, what sort of evidence would convince you?

Crack, you don't know me, so STFU.

Birkel said...

I enjoy the idea that the government pimp, "garage mahal", is now so distrustful of the institution he so fully supports.

I know, "garage mahal", let's give the government power over our health care even It thinks you should die at 75.

Jon Burack said...

I have been astounded at the total betrayal of any journalistic discipline in the way the commentariat has taken it upon itself to lecture us about this case. What qualifies any of them to adopt the full-fledged priestly role they are assuming here, hectoring all of us for our supposed racist flaws?

As to the "narrative" now fully in place about grand juries, Grace reveals how empty headed it is in this comment: "The grand jurors are like sheep, they’re babes in the woods. The prosecutor’s duty is to seek the truth,” she said. “I am telling you that the prosecutors, if they want an indictment, they will get an indictment."

First of all this is totally contradictory. The prosecutor is to seek truth, but because jurors are like sheep, his job is to get an indictment. What if "truth" does not merit an indictment? I've seen a lot of blather about how grand juries always indict (hence, the ham sandwich image). My understanding is that is because if the evidence does not convince the prosecutor to seek an indictment, he or she probably will not take it to a grand jury to start with. In this case, that would have caused even greater howls of rage, so it was taken to the jury. But probably because the prosecutor did not feel it was worthy, he allowed all the evidence to be seen without pushing the jurors to behave like sheep, which is what the media wanted of them. My question to Ann is, why would this not be normal, even in the majority of grand juries where the prosecutor is certain an indictment is merited? Or to put it bluntly, if an indictment is supposed to result automatically, why even bother with grand juries at all?

The Crack Emcee said...

Garage,

Michael Brown, at 18, wasn't perfect, you see? He wasn't MLK, filled with souring oratory and wearing nice suits, but - instead - he stole some cigars. Some things. So he (too) deserved to die. That's the formulation:

Nothing can be worth more than that pack of cigars. Or a store. Or any,...thing. Things cost money. And whites understand the worth of money.

Darren Wilson saw a demon, not a child. That's also why so many whites are criticizing the grieving parents. The slavery-to-the-present line-up of parents, of dead or maimed black children, don't always handle it well, because the fact cigars are worth more than kids, to whites, can be shocking (and it's always classy to mock and attack when parents grieve - I learned that during Trayvon).

Honestly, I don't know why whites make vampire movies, when mirrors are so close by,...

April Apple said...

I admire people who are brave enough to think for themselves. Brave enough to wander out of the democrat media complex paradigm of lies.

mr said...

"Honestly, I don't know why whites make vampire movies, when mirrors are so close by,..."

1) Blackula

2) Vampires don't cast reflections.

Big Mike said...

Slavery, Jim Crow, the hounding of MLK, redlining, restrictive covenants, mass incarceration

What do these have in common? Answer: they are all at least forty years in the rear view mirror. Slavery, of course, ended 150 years ago. That's a century and a half, but to Crack it was the day before yesterday.

They've never recognized the worth of other's humanity

Well, we used to. Then along came Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, Jr., and the reaction of the black community to their deaths. A culture that says "shame on all you whites that you would defend yourself from an attacking black youth" isn't one to encourage, and that goes double when the culture continues "and if you don't lynch the white perpetrators we'll go on a riot and burn down our own communities."

No, that's not a culture to encourage.

Mark Nielsen said...

Are we really headed to another thread that repeats the same stuff from yesterday? It was OK reading for a while, but Crack and GM are just going to continue on their well-established pattern: refuse to address the existence of the evidence. Boring.

Birkel said...

Darren Wilson saw a 300 pound man punching him inside his police cruiser, not a child.

I fixed your misspellings, The Crack Emcee.

Gahrie said...

The lesson is always, always always always trust the government when they kill your child. Shut up, and do not question anything. If you absolutely require some sort of explanation check your local right wing website.

1) The government investigated, provided evidence to a grand jury and was questioned by the prosecuter and grand jurors.

2) The last thing in the world that Brown's parents would ever do is shut up.

3) Brown's Mom won't admit that the thug on the video committing the robbery was her son, even though he was killed with the cigarillos he stole still on him. There is no evidence that could have been provided that she would have accepted.

4) The lesson should be, if you are going to make a case to create a martyr, choose a choirboy, not a thug. Problem is, there's not many choirboys in the hood, and the ones there don't attack cops.

Jon Burack said...

Crack,

I know this issue is grist for your mill, but surely you are kidding yourself with your bit about "he stole some cigars," as if it is all about things, property. Most have seen the photos and it was not the stealing of cigars that angered them, it was a huge punk assaulting and terrorizing a far smaller store owner. That was a HUMAN BEING, not a thing! Had you been that store owner, I expect the word "demon" would not seem out of place. In any case, I am fine with it. I am not fine with the relentless post-modern criticism the media indulges in to psychoanalyze the cop's words, as if we are all in some hideous nightmare English literature class.

William said...

I think a lot of the coverage is biased against the police. They have to act with perfect tact and discretion. If they wear too much riot gear that's an incitement to riot. If the stores burn down, then the cops have been remiss in their duty to protect be people......The reporter who was detained for a couple of hours in McDonald's is treated as a martyr and the arresting officer as some kind of jackbooted thug. (That's their racist name for white cops: thug.). In any event, the burning down of McDonald's did not seem to provoke the same amount of outrage as the detention of the reporter......In real time, the media is reporting on their own biases. They're getting good ratings, but, in the process, they're destroying their own reputations.

tim in vermont said...

Wow Crack, you should be careful about believing what you think.

The Crack Emcee said...

Garage,

Don't forget about fear. It was once said, to me, that blacks live in fear. (I was once told I fear women - boo!) But Darren Wilson said he feared the black kid. He also feared the black crowd. And Bill O'Reilly recently spoke to Tavis Smiley of white's collective fear of blacks. So we've got white fear to contend with. Their historic fear of "savages" is legendary (didn't someone, here, call blacks "vicious savages" yesterday?)

So - we're talking about leadership from a nation of cowards - people armed-to-the-teeth but afraid of their own shadow (because it's black). We can't expect reasonableness from folks in a permanent state of "panic". Remember the shit we just went through with whites over ebola? It's from Africa! Obama's incompetent! The sky is falling!

And they have the nerve to question black hysterics.

You can't expect much of anything from such timid-without-a-gun and hypocrits,..

The Crack Emcee said...

Big Mike,

"What do these have in common? Answer: they are all at least forty years in the rear view mirror. "

Boy! 40 whole years. Taken together - 400 years of white nonsense resulting in theft and death - they have NOTHING to with the state of blacks today.

You're Nazis, I tell you,...

Michael said...

I see that a coalition of the ignorant has formed. The Crack Emcee, freedom rider of the Althouse blog and the mouth of the ventriloquist TNC, and the conscience of the Madison hood, the down-with-the-brothers Garage Mahal.

Crack should start his own blog and have Garage as a guest blogger.

The Crack Emcee said...

Jon Burack,

"Most have seen the photos and it was not the stealing of cigars that angered them, it was a huge punk assaulting and terrorizing a far smaller store owner. That was a HUMAN BEING, not a thing!"


Awww. A kid discovers he's bigger than others and tests it out. It happens.

And it doesn't mean he can't mature, apologize, and make amends - UNLESS YOU KILL HIM.

Jesus, you people are evil,...

Birkel said...

The Crack Emcee's recent post seems to be begging "please fear me" and nobody on these threads is afraid. Begging is an unmanly act.

garage mahal said...

Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were both worthless thugs and the world is better off with them feeding worms.

PMJ claims to work in the legal profession. Seems doubtful, but if true, how would you like this scumbag racist handling evidence or be part of any investigation of any kind?

Birkel said...

Why does The Crack Emcee infantilize an 18 year old black man? How fucking racist to deny a black man his majority.

William said...

The dynamics of black outrage: Hundreds of children get abducted and raped. Result: hashtags. One black teenager gets shot during a violent confrontation with a police officer: Result: riots.

Michael said...

Crack

I was just kidding and then realized that you really should start your own blog, opining on these important topics in your unique voice. You could get TNC to guest blog. You clearly wouldn't want Garage.

Crimso said...

I'm getting the impression from both garage and Crack that there is simply no possibility whatsoever that this was a case of a thug attacking a cop and getting killed as a result. To borrow from Dershowitz, the killing of Michael Brown was an act so heinous that not even innocence is a valid defense.

When you attack a cop, you're likely to get shot. That's as common sense as the outcome of taking cell phone pictures of a bear coming at you. Guess the bear was just a racist Nazi...

CWJ said...

Grand Jury returns no bill.

Legal commentators and late night comics hardest hit!

Michael said...

Crack

When you see the attention you get here on another person's blog, imagine the traffic if you had your own. I would hit the tip jar

CWJ said...

Crack wrote -

"Michael Brown, at 18, wasn't perfect, you see?"

There's an understatement.

Crimso said...

"Jesus, you people are evil,..."

He won't get the chance to "mature, apologize, and make amends" if he attacks a cop shortly after committing the robbery. Jesus, you people lack common sense...

I mean, c'mon Crack. I understand far more of what you write than you would ever admit, and I even agree with some of it (painting all whites with the same broad brush, though, is something someone who supposedly knows so much about racism should know better than to do). But this is a total no-brainer. Next time Amazon is running a deal on Occam's Strop, get one.

Crimso said...

"When you see the attention you get here on another person's blog, imagine the traffic if you had your own."

He does have his own.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Shouting racist has no effect, you fat fuck. The word no longer has the power to make people cower.

The fat boy who cried racism.

It was not the skin color of Saint Skittles and Gentle Mike that made them thugs, it was their actions.

Michael said...

Crimson

Get out! Is Althouse over on his blog clogging up the comments?

The Crack Emcee said...

Crimso,

"I'm getting the impression from both garage and Crack that there is simply no possibility whatsoever that this was a case of a thug attacking a cop and getting killed as a result."

Well, when a kid becomes a "thug" from "vicious savages" to whites, that's the first sign - like the Nazis turning Jews into "vermin" during WWII - we're not dealing with rational people, but delusional killers, rationalizing why they have such a long history of committing murder so much.

That's our first "impression" problem.

"To borrow from Dershowitz, the killing of Michael Brown was an act so heinous that not even innocence is a valid defense."

Honestly - when have whites ever not portrayed themselves as innocent? Start from slavery.

"When you attack a cop, you're likely to get shot."

When cops, who don't see people, are losers with no social skills - yelling "get out the street" from their car like that's good policing - trouble is bound to happen.

"That's as common sense as the outcome of taking cell phone pictures of a bear coming at you."

I've got three friends who are cops - never killed anyone. I had a big 18 year old nephew - never had to kill him.

What's YOUR problem?

"Guess the bear was just a racist Nazi..."

Nice to know, even in your eyes, whites have no more humanity than wild animals,...

Pookie Number 2 said...

I'm amused by Crack's insistence that there's nothing remarkable or unusual about a black man being a violent thug ("Awww").

When he learns that there can be, and is, a difference between these two sets, he'll understand why Trayvon and Michael were killed, and Tim Scott and Condoleezza Rice were not.

Michael K said...

Crack, I accidentally read something you posted.

"You're Nazis, I tell you,..."

I think you had better make plans to get out of here fast ! Would it help if I sent you some airline schedules to other countries ? Where would you be safer ? Let me know and when you want to go and I'll send along a link.

The Crack Emcee said...

Crimso,

"painting all whites with the same broad brush,"

Didn't you just call Michael Brown a "thug" - the term many whites use for black youth today?

Man, how short-sighted can you get,...

Drago said...

LOL

I see garage and crack have reset to the GJ testimony and forensics information doesn't even exist!

Precisely as predicted.

And why is crack calling Michael Browns mother a liar? She says that isnt her gentle giant in the video and crack demurs.

Wow, how callous can crack be?

We should set an over/under for how long it takes for garage/crack to transition from denial of the existing evidence to the twisting of the evidence.

The nice thing is this game can be played each and every day as garage/crack revert to baseline with the rising of the sun!

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

Condoleezza Rice was friends with the 4 little girls bombed in church.

Explain to her why they were killed,...

Birkel said...

The Crack Emcee continues to deny a black man's agency. How fucking racist.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Because actual vile racists bombed her church. Which is horrible.

And has nothing at all to do with people killing malevolently violent and actively threatening thugs like Trayvon and Michael.

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"When he learns that there can be, and is, a difference between these two sets, he'll understand why Trayvon and Michael were killed, and Tim Scott and Condoleezza Rice were not."

It also explains why whites supported Bill Cosby's nonsense and blacks did not.

Y'all sure know how to pick 'em,...

James Pawlak said...

The "problem" was that the jurors attended to facts and NOT racist lies.

On the other hand, Officer Wilson should have been charged with LITTERING by his deposit of 300 pounds of lead and illegal drug contaminated garbage on the street.

Birkel said...

Maybe The Crack Emcee is old enough to have Alzheimer's Deisease and is sundowning. That would explain the reset every morning, Drago.

Birkel said...

Let an 18 year old man be a man The Crack Emcee. He's a man. That you would deny him agency and majority because of his race is...

Racist!

Crimso said...

'like the Nazis turning Jews into "vermin" during WWII'

By that logic I should think you are a thug as well. Of course, I don't think that. But Brown WAS a thug, I have seen video evidence clearly demonstrating it. Thugs don't deserve to die, but they should expect to when they attack a cop. I feel like we're now living in the Monty Python skit where gangsters were trying to extort the British Army.

You have made it clear that when a white kills a black, the white should be presumed guilty until proven innocent ("Honestly - when have whites ever not portrayed themselves as innocent? Start from slavery"). If proven innocent, then something went wrong with the system.

Pookie Number 2 said...

It also explains why whites supported Bill Cosby's nonsense and blacks did not.

The fact that Bill Cosby is (as the evidence suggests) a rapist doesn't detract from the validity of his message that Blacks would be better served by taking responsibility for themselves instead of whining about how Whites magically make them abandon their children and avoid education.

Just like the fact that Martin Luther King was a philandering plagiarist, but still had an important and valid message.

traditionalguy said...

Nancy expresses her thoughts and feelings clearly. No need to wonder what she thinks or FEELS on a subject.

I find that refreshing in the day of Blonde Bimbo Announcers reading teleprompters.

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"And has nothing at all to do with people killing malevolently violent and actively threatening thugs like Trayvon and Michael."

Sure it does - if you're black, you can be innocent or not, and white's will find a justification for your death.

Oh - those guys were vile racists - we're upholders of the law!

Either way, we're right - or wrong - and blacks are dead.

And not only that, but we'll insist these deaths have no effect on anything to do with the living.

They shouldn't be traumatized - they should be earning, right? Real go-getters! Seeing opportunity everywhere! Daddy's dead by white people? What a great motivator! Been ripped of by unscrupulous real estate deals - backed by the government? Become patriotic like everyone else and succeed!

You're mad, I tell you - just crazy,...

,...

garage mahal said...

Y'all sure know how to pick 'em,...

They worship cops who kill blacks and bizarre creepers like Zimmerman. Sick, sick people.

Michael said...

Birkel

Crack's overarching thesis is that blacks have no agency because of four hundred years...etc. Reading his posts over dozens of topics it is clear that is his belief.

The irony eludes him.

Michael said...

Garage

The cops did not kill Zimmerman.

The Crack Emcee said...

Crimso,

"Brown WAS a thug, I have seen video evidence clearly demonstrating it."

You saw an 18-second video clip of a big 18 year old ghetto kid stealing cigars.

Really? You think that encapsulates his humanity?

White kid steals his Dad's car and totals it - not his best moment - but is that ALL he is?

It's a truly remarkable statement on white's outlook on black life.

Just cruel beyond belief - and clueless,...

traditionalguy said...

I want to see a match between Bob Wright and Nancy on Talking Heads. Wright would go catatonic.

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Crimso said...

'Didn't you just call Michael Brown a "thug" - the term many whites use for black youth today?'

Based on the video evidence. Know who else is black and a thug? The coward who murdered my friend a couple of months ago, dragged his 70 year old mother through the house by her hair looking for valuables, all the while calling her a "white bitch" (how about a hate crimes charge? Not holding my breath). He tried to kill her too. Given the chance, I'd kill him, and I'd do it with my bare hands and feet. He'll stand trial for that. Want to take up his cause as well? He just a victim of 400 years of white oppression?

But here's the difference between us: I don't hold you or any other black person responsible for what he did. But you keep insisting I am somehow guilty of slavery.

Anthony said...

Dear Media: How Not to Screw Up the Next Ferguson

Which is a good read, although misguided. As this post demonstrates, it was never the media's intention to get anything right. What it was about was:

In Ferguson, reporters were falling all over themselves to be social justice warriors (to coin a phrase) who would strike a blow against racism and an unjust system. When they cast themselves in this role, they became partisans who were no longer able to admit facts that run contrary to the partisan narrative.

tim in vermont said...

Certainly it was not all he was, but it does demonstrate his state of mind shortly before he attacked the cop. Angry and aggressive.

Drago said...

Michael, you need to cut garage some slack. In addition to all his intellectual disabilities he suffers heavily from "Sudden "Incredibly Easy Questions" Loss Syndrome".

This is an affliction common to many posters who attempt to post on topics that are clearly beyond their capacity to comprehend.

Crimso said...

"Really? You think that encapsulates his humanity?"

Thugs are human too. Did you miss the part where I stated thugs don't deserve to die? But deserve's got nothin' to do with it. A thug who attacks a cop should expect to get shot. A non-thug who attacks a cop should expect to get shot. White, black, whatever.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Oh - those guys were vile racists - we're upholders of the law!

Well, yes, on both counts.

Either way, we're right - or wrong - and blacks are dead.

Yes. Some deaths are the result of horrific criminality, and some are the appropriate response to violent criminality. The difference matters.

And not only that, but we'll insist these deaths have no effect on anything to do with the living.

No, we won't insist on that. We'll take measures to prevent church bombings, and to provide free education and programs like affirmative action to help the living recover. But we don't, and shouldn't, pretend that Trayvon and Michael died for any reason other than their own violence.

They shouldn't be traumatized - they should be earning, right? Real go-getters! Seeing opportunity everywhere! Daddy's dead by white people? What a great motivator! Been ripped of by unscrupulous real estate deals - backed by the government? Become patriotic like everyone else and succeed!

No, they should try to make their lives better. Lots of opportunity for that, for people willing to try.

You're mad, I tell you - just crazy,...

No - I just think that most blacks are capable of success, just like any other ethnic group with horrors in their past.

traditionalguy said...

Wilson was doing his job. Until the monopoly on authority to confront and arrest perpetrators is no longer a front line policeman's job, he had to follow The Big Gentle Baby who was high on drugs and taking whatever he wanted from pussies afraid to confront him.

But Zimmerman was told not to follow Trayvon, but he tracked him in the dark with a gun for walking home and shot him for resisting total non authority.

The Crack Emcee said...

Crimso,

"Here's the difference between us: I don't hold you or any other black person responsible for what he did. But you keep insisting I am somehow guilty of slavery."

Yer damned skippy. I will hold whites accountable - for all of it. They have weedled for 400 years, never conceding, always making American life a struggle. And, all the while, living quite comfortably off the proceeds of our blood while spreading the myth of their benevolence.

Whites are guilty as sin itself - even for your friend's problem - because they never cared enough to make "good" a goal in this society.

It's always been force with them - so enjoy what force breeds.

End of story. Full-stop.

Crimso said...

Anyway, I've got to go. So if I don't respond to any other comments directed at me, I'll try to check back later.

Drago said...

BTW has crack figured out that the DNA evidence was presented to the GJ yet?

My hope is that before the end of next week crack will figure out that those directing his actions neglected to clue him in on that.

Yes, hope springs eternal.

Birkel said...

Anthony:
The goal has always been to keep blacks voting for Democrats at 95% while Gentry Leftists push policies that harm the black middle class.

Michael:
I am aware of the irony. The Crack Emcee wants an adult man to be considered as a kid because he denies agency and majority to blacks. The Crack Emcee is a racist. It's fun to write because it is true.

Drago said...

And now we see that crack is in violation of Article 33 (I believe) of the 4th Geneva Convention agreement.

Uh oh.

Now you've done it crack! The blue helmet lads will be quite upset with you....and many of them are French!

The Crack Emcee said...

Blacks must work twice as hard to be just as good.

That that unfair formulation is still expected is all I need to know:

Fuck America,...

Crimso said...

"even for your friend's problem"

Being murdered by a shot to the head in a home invasion is not exactly a "problem." You clearly don't think that he was a human being, worthy of any respect. Because it was his fault, really. He was white, after all.

Just remember, you accuse whites of reaping what they sow. Or, more accurately, what their great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents sowed. Take a close look at the seeds you are planting here and now. You accuse whites of demonizing blacks, and then use that flawed premise to justify demonizing whites.

Laslo Spatula said...

Crack says: "Whites are guilty as sin itself - even for your friend's problem"

His friend's 'problem' was getting murdered. Interesting word choice.

But at least it reminds me to check Crack's blog and see what 'interesting word choices' he is currently using to denigrate Althouse and Meade.

What I wrote last night is still applicable:

Crack is still continually shitting on Althouse at his site, then coming here to her site to stand upon her guest chair and pontificate about character. You don't need self-awareness when you have self-rationalization. Evidently.

Of course, I could paste-and-copy this every day, it seems.

Birkel said...

As a Native, I have greater moral authority than nearly anybody. Thank goodness my granddad moved off the res. My baby girl is better for that decision.

I pity those living on the reservations of their own making.

FullMoon said...

Hey, Mr. Crack,
What's your real name?
You published AA and Meades name at your joint, aling with AA picture while you hide behind an alias' comin' here crying cause you cannot live up to your potential.
Tou be weak, bro. Seriously disappointed you been cuttin' and pastin'.

Shuckin; and jivin'
Cuttin' and pastin'
Littl ol' white lady professor got more guts than scary black man.... pathetic....
Put your name and picture and location out there....black addict

pussies all the way down
hahahaha

The Crack Emcee said...

"Why can't you be compliant Negroes like our imaginary MLK?"

The Crack Emcee said...

"Discussions about the Civil Rights Movement also tend to gloss over the fact that people were killed and killers walked free"

President-Mom-Jeans said...

How is poverty going today for you Crack?

Is the wifi good at the library where you mooch off the white man?

tim in vermont said...

If I felt that way about America, I would leave. But that's just me.

Curious George said...

"The Crack Emcee said...
It also explains why whites supported Bill Cosby's nonsense and blacks did not."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4#t=128

Dude looks black to me.

Michael Brown was a thug. He committed to violent felonies. He tried to commit a third. With a cop who had a automatic drawn and warned multiple times he was going to shoot. So he is not only a thug but dumb as brick.

The ending was justified. And predictable.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Why can't you be compliant Negroes like our imaginary MLK?

A more accurate phrasing would be "Why don't you believe that blacks are capable of living decent, responsible lives?"

And the answer, at least for us, is that we do. That's why we distinguish between the thousands and thousands that do take responsibility for themselves, and the violent criminals that don't. We don't see ignorant violent thuggery as an innate characteristic of being black. I hope one day you recognize that as well.

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"The fact that Bill Cosby is (as the evidence suggests) a rapist doesn't detract from the validity of his message that Blacks would be better served by taking responsibility for themselves instead of whining about how Whites magically make them abandon their children and avoid education."

When whites see a "demon" in blacks, how are we supposed to do that again?

That's why nobody's listening to Bill:

Blacks have been trying that shit since the Civil War ended - it doesn't work.

That whites insist we do what doesn't work - and let themselves off the hook as usual - is all we need to tell you and Cosby to fuck off,...

exhelodrvr1 said...

Problems with the "witnesses"

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-grand-jury-papers-full-inconsistencies-161011644.html

Pookie Number 2 said...

When whites see a "demon" in blacks, how are we supposed to do that again?

By recognizing that Wilson only viewed Michael Brown as a demon when Brown became violent.

That's why nobody's listening to Bill:

That's a shame, and clearly unproductive.

Blacks have been trying that shit since the Civil War ended - it doesn't work.

Actually, it does. That's why there are thousands and thousands of successful black doctors, lawyers, accountants, plumbers, electricians, bake-shop owners, etc. Not enough, of course, but still clearly a better choice.

That whites insist we do what doesn't work - and let themselves off the hook as usual - is all we need to tell you and Cosby to fuck off,...

If you really want to see what doesn't work, ask Trayvon and Michael Brown how being ignorant and violent worked out for them. Then ask Ben Carson how getting an education worked out for him.

Different approaches, different results.

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Drago said...

So i take it crack now does understand that the DNA evidence was given to the GJ?

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Drago said...

Crack, when you first realized that your programmers had failed to give you accurate GJ/DNA evidence information did you return to your programmers to inform them of their "mistake"?

garage mahal said...

As a Native, I have greater moral authority than nearly anybody

You're just another dumb fuck on the internet. Stop fooling yourself.

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Birkel said...

Drago:
The Crack Emcee meticulously avoided admitted he was a fool peddling other people's lies about DNA evidence. He switched lies seamlessly. But he dropped the DNA lie, at least.

All:
Let's assume The Crack Emcee is correct and black adults have no agency and therefore no moral culpability. What logical inferences should be drawn if we accept the racist proposition. As a non-racist I fail to see how anything good can come from the racist The Crack Emcee proposition.

Birkel said...

And here is "garage mahal" to deny a Native agency.

It may very well be racism all the way down.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Is bitchtits denying that Native American's have greater moral authority than the "blackys?"

Apparently nobody has greater moral authority than lilly what obese middle school athletic heros whose wives left them for a real man.

Drago said...

Garage: "You're just another dumb fuck on the internet"

LOL

That's absolutely perfect! But not for the reason garage thinks.

...wait for it...

And he posted it twice.

Again, perfect!

Thanks garage.

Birkel said...

The President of the United States says I am allowed to object to amnesty but others are not.

My moral authority remains unquestioned by all but racists like "garage mahal".

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"If you really want to see what doesn't work, ask Trayvon and Michael Brown how being ignorant and violent worked out for them. Then ask Ben Carson how getting an education worked out for him.

Different approaches, different results."

You're seriously comparing the actions of two kids to what was achieved by a grown-assed man - which they will never get to be because whites got specific ideas on constitutes a worthy life?

Wow.

It's no wonder you never minded killing the indians for this land, and putting the rest on reservations in the desert, either.

Y'all got this genocide thing all figured out,...

damikesc said...

The complaint seems to be that the grand jury wasn't the usual railroad job it is. Which, to me, says we should make all grand juries like this and not the usual ham sandwich indictment route.

Drago said...

Indeed Birkel.

Why is garage challenging our President?

Lets see, older white guy in all white rural area challenges our black President....and feels comfortable using the term "blackys".

I think we all know what we are dealing with here with garage.

And it rhymes with "b-acist".

The Crack Emcee said...

FullMoon,

"You put AA info out there
Where's yours"

A picture of the modern white man in the slavemaster's future: still so lazy, he now expects blacks to use Google for him,...

Pookie Number 2 said...

You're seriously comparing the actions of two kids to what was achieved by a grown-assed man - which they will never get to be because whites got specific ideas on constitutes a worthy life?

No, but I respect your attempt at misdirection. Trayvon and Michael died because they posed an immediate threat to people that were armed. As you well know, that has nothing to do with anyone's idea of what constitutes a worthy life.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." - F. Nietzsche

The abyss draws folks in every day. Nothing new here.

Drago said...

I was assured there would be no Nietzsche before cocktails.

I must say that I am quite put out.

Oh well, when in Rome....

The Crack Emcee said...

Detroit, like many places in the United States, has a long history of racial discrimination. By the 1920s the city had become a stronghold of the Ku Klux Klan and the Black Legion, organizations committed to white supremacy. In summer 1943, in the midst of World War II, tensions between blacks and whites in Detroit were escalating. Detroit's population had grown by 350,000 people since the war began. The booming defense industries brought in large numbers of people with high wages and very little available housing.

In recent years, 50,000 blacks and 300,000 whites had arrived, mostly from rural Appalachia and the American South. Ethnic groups were pressured to resent African Americans especially. A historian of Detroit's Poles found that they were scared into seeing African Americans as "threatening their jobs, homes, communities, and churches".

Recruiters convinced blacks as well as whites in the South to come up North by promising them higher wages in the new war factories. Believing that they had found a promised land, blacks began to relocate their families North in larger numbers. However, upon arriving in Detroit, blacks found that bigotry existed in the North just as it did in the deep South. They were excluded from all public housing except Brewster Housing Projects, forced to live in homes without indoor plumbing, and paid rents two to three times higher than families in white districts. They also faced discrimination from the public and unfair treatment by the Detroit Police Department.

- Wikipedia, What Caused The Detroit Race Riots?

Pookie Number 2 said...

It's no wonder you never minded killing the indians for this land, and putting the rest on reservations in the desert, either.

Not me - I moved to the US in the early 1990s.

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"No, but I respect your attempt at misdirection. Trayvon and Michael died because they posed an immediate threat to people that were armed. As you well know, that has nothing to do with anyone's idea of what constitutes a worthy life."

I repeat: I deal with such kids all the time. Why must whites kill?

They've admitted it already - with a great assist from Bill O'Reilly: they're scared,...

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Drago said...

Nancy Grace does not care about Detroit 50 years ago.

She needs ratings now!

Cracks rantings are rendered meaningless when compared to the immediate need to sell Ad Time!

My God! What will the Shareholders think?

Trashhauler said...

"...it was clear to her why Wilson was not indicted: there was not a shred of credible evidence (CREDIBLE) he committed any of the possible crimes they were considering."

But we need to remember, some crimes are so serious that innocence is no excuse.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

This is a link to another atheist quote, this time Chris Hitchens.

Pookie Number 2 said...

I repeat: I deal with such kids all the time. Why must whites kill?

Self-defense.

Are you claiming that you don't fight back when "such kids" are pounding your head into the pavement or otherwise actively and violently attacking you? I'm a little skeptical of that.

Besides, there's certainly no shortage of blacks killing other blacks for much lesser slights. Apparently it's not actually a white thing.

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"Not me - I moved to the US in the early 1990s."

Oh. So you think being an American means you just celebrate the good parts and have no responsibility for the bad - or pretend that those who supplied the wealth, you now live on, shouldn't look at you askance, right?

Fool,...

Drago said...

Wow, crack deals with such kids all the time!

Crack can you tell us about the time you were attempting to apprehend a suspect in a strong arm robbery while the much larger suspect attacked you in your vehicle?

I bet it makes scintillating reading!

Pookie Number 2 said...

Oh. So you think being an American means you just celebrate the good parts and have no responsibility for the bad - or pretend that those who supplied the wealth, you now live on, shouldn't look at you askance, right?

Um, no. It means that I bear no blame at all for what happened to the Native Americans, which was the topic under discussion.

I don't live on the wealth supplied by others, and anyone that looks askance at me for my life is displaying unjustifiably poor character.

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"Self-defense."

Please. They're cowardly oafs.

"Are you claiming that you don't fight back when "such kids" are pounding your head into the pavement or otherwise actively and violently attacking you? I'm a little skeptical of that."

They don't attack me - I have social skills.

"Besides, there's certainly no shortage of blacks killing other blacks for much lesser slights."

Or the 83% of whites killing whites. It's like people kill others who live close to them. But whites, like you, keep trying to make it seem like it's unique to black people. Why is that? Giuliani brought that up a few days ago, like it meant something, other than he's a racist. Why do whites keep trying to make the effort to smear us as different, when whites have the most over-worked history of killing in America?

"Apparently it's not actually a white thing."

It's an American thing. 15,000 a year.

But - after slavery, Jim Crow, mass lynchings, etc. white racists will sure try to turn that black.

The Boston Tea Party was property damage, wasn't it? Sure it was. Whites celebrate it.

Looting? They TOOK the country from the indians - and killed doing it.

And what was slavery but both?

You kid yourself, Pook,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"Um, no. It means that I bear no blame,..."

The topic was "responsibility" - check and see.

"I don't live on the wealth supplied by others, and anyone that looks askance at me for my life is displaying unjustifiably poor character."

Um, 256 years of slavery supplied the wealth America rests on. You chose to live on it.

And then spend your time here, with blacks, dening you have any idea how it got this way,...

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Pookie Number 2 said...

Please. They're cowardly oafs.

Maybe. It's still legitimate self-defense when one is being attacked by a violent thug like Trayvon or Brown.

They don't attack me - I have social skills.

Glad to hear it. Self-defense is still an appropriate response when people allegedly without social skills are attack by violent thugs like Trayvon or Brown.

Or the 83% of whites killing whites. It's like people kill others who live close to them. But whites, like you, keep trying to make it seem like it's unique to black people. Why is that? Giuliani brought that up a few days ago, like it meant something, other than he's a racist. Why do whites keep trying to make the effort to smear us as different, when whites have the most over-worked history of killing in America?

I'm actually doing the opposite of your accusation - you asked why whites must kill, and I responded that it's clearly not exclusively a white thing - as evidenced by the frequency of blacks killing blacks.

The Boston Tea Party was property damage, wasn't it? Sure it was. Whites celebrate it.

Looting? They TOOK the country from the indians - and killed doing it.

And what was slavery but both?


Slavery was an absolute evil.

You kid yourself, Pook,...

Birkel said...

We are not Indians.
Do keep up.

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Pookie Number 2 said...

Um, 256 years of slavery supplied the wealth America rests on. You chose to live on it.

Yup. Just like you.

And then spend your time here, with blacks, dening you have any idea how it got this way,...

Not true. I just disagree with the belief that contemporary blacks cannot succeed with honest effort.

The Crack Emcee said...

Hey, Pook, I just realized how "intelligent" you are:

You sincerely believed that you could move to America, criticise it's oppressed, and - when faced with America's crimes - back away with saying you just got here?

Like JOINING a criminal enterprise doesn't already say something profound - especially about your ethics?

Dude, you deserve to be looked at weird,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"Yup. Just like you."

Nope - I was born here. And, as a descendant of American slaves with - as Bill Cosby pointed out to white applause - no connection to Africa, I can't go back. (No matter how often the Michael K's of the world offer: BTW, Mike, you're going to leave first - watch.)

Anyway, you're confused, and that's getting boring,...

President-Mom-Jeans said...

I'll take you up on your calling out the white man as lazy, Louis. I'll do the work that most Americans refuse to do, and use a search engine.

However, Google doesn't have very much about your filthy whore of a mother dropping unloved little bundles all over the place by different men though. Could you please elaborate?

Birkel said...

Is it odd that some in my family have proven realtively successful while others have not given that we are all descended from a granddad born on the res?

Or is life deterministic as The Crack Emcee suggests?

Since I am not racist, I cannot fathom how the racism of The Crack Emcee is supposed to benefit anybody.

Pookie Number 2 said...

You sincerely believed that you could move to America, criticise it's oppressed, and - when faced with America's crimes - back away with saying you just got here?

Um, yes. Because its oppressed do things that are destructive, and we have freedom of speech, and I bear no responsibility at all for crimes that other people did. There's no logical or moral inconsistency there at all.

damikesc said...

So, since known thugs Brown and Martin were black, why should whites not just shoot to kill all blacks, Crack? You believe in group guilt and all.

And Grace made enough of an ass of herself during the Duke lacrosse case that I ignore her.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Nope - I was born here. And, as a descendant of American slaves with - as Bill Cosby pointed out to white applause - no connection to Africa, I can't go back.

I didn't say you should go back. I said that I'm living off America's accumulated wealth the same way you are.

Birkel said...

damikesc:
If it took you that long to ignore Nancy Grace, I suggest your family buy you a football helmet to wear for your own protection. Respectfully.

:)

The Crack Emcee said...

Pookie Number 2,

"Um, yes. Because its oppressed do things that are destructive,..."

Wait - whites lynching blacks for 100+ years was an example of the "oppressed do things that are destructive"?

Crazytalk. Dude, you've walked into a family argument and - because you don't know shit - really have nothing to offer.

We're done,...

FullMoon said...

Crack claims "And, as a descendant of American slaves .."

I say you lie....
Just because you believe it does not make it true.

What's your name...?

What are you hiding....

Your whole story is made up...

Wife murdered three people... a lie

Wife stole all your money... a lie...

Man wastes talent telling lies ...

Projects image of coming up from the ghetto, down on the mean streets.... fools some of the educated elites coming here...

I am an ignorant fool here to call you on your cowardice. Attacking AA and Meade, people you call friends,


You a punk.....you never lived the life

What's your real name... (Eric?)

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Drago said...

Crack: "It's an American thing. 15,000 a year."

Hey man, all countries can't be as enlightened as Rwanda.

Pookie Number 2 said...


Wait - whites lynching blacks for 100+ years was an example of the "oppressed do things that are destructive"?


No. Blacks pretending that Michael Brown's death was anyone's fault besides his own, and rioting and destroying property in response, are examples of the formerly oppressed doing things that are destructive.

Crazytalk. Dude, you've walked into a family argument and - because you don't know shit - really have nothing to offer.

None of which remotely challenges the validity and relevance of what I'm saying. I actually have quite a lot to offer, and I'm happy to continue to do so.

America's great that way!

Tank said...

Fred Reed explains why you can't have a rational conversation with Crack:

Two questions, methinks, arise from Ferguson’s latest outburst. The first, political, is “Why does the country tolerate it?” The second, more anthropologically interesting, is “Why the eerie incapacity of underclass blacks to understand evidence, or law, or much of anything?” Of the countless explanations given for the poor performance and poor behavior of blacks in the US, one of them dares not speak its name: Low intelligence.

Yet it fits all the evidence. It explains why Africa never built cities, why it did not invent writing, why there was no African Fifth-Century Athens. It explains why Rhodesia, prosperous and an exporter of food when run by whites, fell immediately into hunger and barbarism when whites left. It explains the dysfunction of black societies from Africa to Haiti to Detroit. It explains why blacks invariably score far below whites and Asians on tests of IQ, on the SATs, GREs, on entrance and promotion exams for fire and police departments.

It explains the need for affirmative action and for departments of Black Studies in universities when black students can’t handle real courses. It explains why the gap in academic achievement never closes. It explains the criminality, the violence, the poor impulse control, the dependency on welfare, the unemployment, and the inability to integrate themselves into a high-tech society. It explains the constant scandals involving teachers in black schools giving students the answers on standardized tests.

Further, it explains why none of the programs intended to raise performance of blacks in the schools ever work. Head Start didn’t work. Integrated schools didn’t work, nor segregated schools, nor black schools with white teachers nor black schools with black teachers. Expensive laboratories and free computers didn’t work. Schools run entirely by blacks with very high per-student expenditure (Washington, DC for example) didn’t work. There is no indication that anything at all will ever work. Low intelligence is the obvious explanation. There is precious little counterevidence.

Endless evasions seek to avoid the unavoidable. Tests are biased, all tests without exception. Africa is primitive because of colonialism, or for geographic reasons, or because the natives l iked hunting and gathering. Detroit is largely illiterate because of slavery, or low self-esteem, or institutional racism, which seems to mean undetectable racism. On and on.

damikesc said...

If it took you that long to ignore Nancy Grace, I suggest your family buy you a football helmet to wear for your own protection. Respectfully.

Don't think I ever saw her before her tour de force in the Duke case.

But, in my defense, television "legal analysts" all look alike to me. :)

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Drago said...

FullMoon: "No more than 200 blacks lynched in american history."

I don't know about that. It seems to me that number is awfully low, although it's reasonable that would be the number for documented lynchings.

FullMoon: "More whites lynched than blacks, that,s a fact."

That's much easier to believe but how would the number of whites/blacks/asians/Mexicans lynchings compare if compared on a % of population basis? (and yes, the shifting demographics would make this question more problematic)

rcocean said...

Hey, its the Crack show on Althouse!
Episode 1,212.

Althouse is high on Crack. They can't get enough of him.

rcocean said...

41 posts by The Crack Emcee so far, not to mention at least another 80 responding to him.

No need to comment on the original post.


rcocean said...

A much more balance thread though. 107 instances of "white" and 112 of "black"

Slavery -20 times, Nazi - 7, lynching 10.

I'm beginning to suspect Crack is a computer program.

Jon Burack said...

Tank,

At first, I thought you might be raising a fair question, before you descended into your Crack-provoking rant about black Africa, whose people are the most genetically diverse on earth. But to get to this question you raised

“Why the eerie incapacity of underclass blacks to understand evidence, or law, or much of anything?”

But if this episode should teach anything, it is that highly schooled (I do not say "educated') professional Americans, in journalism and government, black or other, are also eerily incapable of understanding evidence or law in this case. It is these intellectual lights who pretend to lead and preach to us who lack these basics. So your question is better directed at them - and at yourself as well when it comes to matters of genetics, knowledge, understanding, and intelligence (four things, by the way, only very slightly connected to one another.)

PackerBronco said...

The Liberals have replaced the principle that everyone is entitled to a fair trial with the demand that everyone is entitled to a show trial.

Tank said...

Jon, I respectfully disagree with you, Obama, Holder, Coates et al understand what a grand jury is, and they understand the law, but they have an agenda to drive, and talking about the law, facts, their interplay, and the function of a grand jury just distracts from their agenda.

Off the record, out of sight, you could probably have a good academic discussion with them and their ilk, but the five sixths of African Americans with IQs south of 100, and the 50% of African Americans with IQ's south of 85, well, you could not have that discussion with them.

Gahrie said...

black Africa, whose people are the most genetically diverse on earth

Cite please.

I'm fairly sure that recent studies have shown that Africans are the most genetically "pure" Homo Sapiens Sapiens, with the rest of the world's population having evidence of interbreeding with other hominid species.

Lydia said...

Between 1882 and 1968, there were 4,743 lynchings in the U.S.; of these 1,297 (27%) were white and 3,446 (73%) were black. Figures compiled by the Tuskegee Institute.

FullMoon said...

Drago said;
FullMoon: "No more than 200 blacks lynched in american history."

I don't know about that. It seems to me that number is awfully low, although it's reasonable that would be the number for documented lynchings.

FullMoon: "More whites lynched than blacks, that,s a fact."

That's much easier to believe but how would the number of whites/blacks/asians/Mexicans lynchings compare if compared on a % of population basis? (and yes, the shifting demographics would make this question more problematic)

Actually, I just made that shit up.
Reading Crack and Garage, I thought that was allowed. I will be more careful about my lies.

Fun fact, Tuskeegee airman lived in Silicon Valley, was a teacher at a local school. Son was police officer. Nice guys, both of them.

Say, anybody know Cracks real name?

Lydia said...

Study Finds Africans More Genetically Diverse Than Other Populations

Drago said...

Lydia: "Study Finds Africans More Genetically Diverse Than Other Populations"

It seems pointless to me to use the term "Africans" when the continent of Africa is as large and diverse as it is.

It would make more sense to subgroup the continent in some relevant way as to make the study more meaningful.

I would differentiate central africa from the Horn of Africa from West Africa from South Africa from Northcentral/east Africa from Northwest Africa, etc.

If you just say "Africa" I think you lose any real value to any overarching and overly broad statements regarding "diversity".

Drago said...

Not to mention that the results of such a genetics diversity study in no way solves Nancy Graces problem of having lost the opportunity to spend lots and lots of revenue generating minutes on CNN lamenting the failure of "the process" to simply execute Officer Wilson without regard to actual evidence.

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Unknown said...

---Read the appalling lethal use of force statute for Missouri. Their cops basically have a license to kill

Pretty dramatic. Do you have any citation or do we just have to trust you?

A National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund preliminary report said that in 2011, 62 law enforcement deaths are attributed to firearms, 60 deaths are attributed to traffic-related instances and 44 are attributed to other causes. This likely will not be the final tally.

Gahrie said...

Study Finds Africans More Genetically Diverse Than Other Populations


Interesting article from 2009. However it suggests that Africans are the most diverse when it comes to Homo Sapiens Sapiens genes.

A much more recent study (2013 I believe) suggests that when it comes to non Homo Sapiens Sapiens hominid genetic diversity (interbreeding with other hominids) the Africans have the least amount of diversity. (In fact I believe almost none)

Anonymous said...

The "experts" are also pissed because with the evidence available to anyone, no one has any special reason to listen to "the experts".

Also, they can't lie, and trust that the rest of us, with outside jobs, won't have had time to catch the trial, and so won't be able to call them on their lies.

Birkel said...

Gahrie,
I believe that is correct. There is evidence that problem solving skills are associated with that inter-species breeding too. But I don't trust the scientists to play it straight on such sensitive matters.

Lydia, perhaps you already have the stats at hand but I wonder how lynchings are defined. Horse thieves could be legally hung in Texas, as I understand it. Were lawful hangings counted as lynchings? Only those that were extra-judicial? All hangings?

Now I am curious and I would like a short-cut if you have one. Thanks.

ken in tx said...

"Between 1882 and 1968, there were 4,743 lynchings in the U.S.; of these 1,297 (27%) were white and 3,446 (73%) were black. Figures compiled by the Tuskegee Institute."

That sounds about right. That's pretty close to current violent crime conviction ratio between blacks and whites. It reflects the objective situation of violent criminal behavior.

rcocean said...

Glad to see more talking about Lynching and the origins of Africans.

But you're missing the whole point of the post.

Crack.

rcocean said...

Has Crack ever been to Lynchburg Va?

I mean they weren't subtle back in the old days, were they?

rcocean said...

Why not just call it, "NoBlackPeople" VA ?

Lydia said...

Birkel, here's how the Tuskegee Institute defined its parameters for pronouncing a murder a “lynching”: “There must be legal evidence that a person was killed. That person must have met death illegally. A group of three or more persons must have participated in the killing. The group must have acted under the pretext of service to justice, race or tradition.”

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