November 23, 2014

Author asks the Green Bay Packers to stop selling his book on Vince Lombardi... because it has a foreword written by Bill Cosby.

"A quick reply came from Gabrielle Dow, the team's vice president of marketing and fan engagement. The books were pulled, she said."
"In this ever increasing environment of awareness in which the National Football League is taking a strenuous stance against domestic abuse and sexual assault, removal of the book in all forms would be an appropriate course of action, in my opinion," [Royce] Boyles wrote.
This might seem like a bold and selfless move by the author, censoring his own book, but the book, "Lombardi's Left Side," had co-authors — former players Herb Adderley and Dave Robinson — and Royce didn't ask them if they wanted the book withdrawn.
"I know their names are on the jacket, too, but so is mine," he told me. "I don't think you take a vote on integrity. If integrity is for sale at $26.95 a copy, I don't want to know about it."
The foreword was "written" by recording what Cosby said off the top of his head immediately upon being asked over the phone if he'd write a foreword: "Cosby said, 'Just turn on your tape recorder.'" Cosby had been childhood friends with Herb Adderley:
The rambling foreword talks about their days in school and athletics. 
Which is probably why Cosby agreed to do it. He had ready material.
He doesn't get around to Vince Lombardi until the very end.
So maybe Adderley should have been consulted. Royce has other books about Lombardi, by the way. 
"I can write another book," Boyles said. "But when they drop the lid on my coffin, I just hope that maybe somebody would say, 'He had a sliver of integrity anyway.'"
Here's the cover, note the size of the names on that list of authors:



Herb Adderley — who's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame — is 75 years old and played from 1961 to 1972.

ADDED: You can read the whole foreword by clicking on "Look Inside" at the Amazon page for the book. The book is about Adderley and Robinson. That's why it's called "Lombardi's Left Side." Adderley was the left cornerback, and Robinson was the left linebacker. I'm reading a little of the book, right after the foreword: "Two great black men shut down the left side of the football field and opened up the right side of our minds." That strongly suggests that Boyles is the sole author.

83 comments:

tim in vermont said...

Who knows if he is innocent, I don't, have all of Roman Polanski's works been taken off the market? Because I know he is guilty.

David Hampton said...

Falling on one's own sword, so to speak, in the cause of political correctness against the scandal du jour seems unworthy of the author. A simple statement in the public square can condemn the unproven charges while pointing to the good that Bill Cosby did. To the public who are banging their drums against Cosby, who may not be black enough for the cause, I remind the slathering hordes of recently defeated democrats; "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

jim murray said...

Integrity: Guilty until proven innocent.

Laslo Spatula said...

If he valued the other two men as equals in the work his integrity would be displayed by his consulting with them, first.

He either didn't feel that they were that important to the work (subjects, yes, co-writers, nope), or he is grandstanding. I suspect both.

Bobber Fleck said...

A noble and inspiring act that speaks truth to power, or something like that. Too bad the Packers were dragged into the circus.

Laslo Spatula said...

To follow: "Lombardi's Left Size" -- NEW EDITION! Newly included author's note explaining the reasons for the Newly excluded foreword.

All better.

Tank said...

Dick move !

Laslo Spatula said...

"Lombardi's Left Side" not "Lombardi's Left Size". This is not a book written by the tailor of his pants.

Hagar said...

"Under all that fake tinsel, there is real tinsel."

Wilbur said...

I was a little surprised by what you added about the book's content.

I would have guessed the book was about Lombardi being a liberal Democrat, who had experienced discrimination in his own life and was acutely sensitive to it.

I did not expect it to be about Adderley and Robinson.

Curious George said...

I was going to say how many Packer fans would even but that book, or remember Herb Adderley. But then I remembered that thousands have bought Packer stock that is worthless, so...

The Crack Emcee said...

David Hampton,

"Falling on one's own sword, so to speak, in the cause of political correctness against the scandal du jour seems unworthy of the author."

Boy, even "integrity" can be reconstructed to mean something else, if - all by your lonesome - you add the term "political correctness" to it, huh? Nifty trick, that.

"A simple statement in the public square can condemn the unproven charges while pointing to the good that Bill Cosby did."

We're almost up to 20 women - many who are grandmothers now - and you're still claiming they're liars. Wow. I guess you know "political correctness" when you see it. You're the expert.

"To the public who are banging their drums against Cosby, who may not be black enough for the cause, I remind the slathering hordes of recently defeated democrats; "let he who is without sin cast the first stone.""

Only white guys are saying Cosby "may not be black enough" for anything - that's their narrative for blacks rejecting what was tried and doesn't work - I don't any blacks who've done so. Even Hannibal Buress, who broke this open, still loves "Cos," so how much INTEGRITY do you white guys have, as they continue trying to advance their historical agenda of blaming blacks for the crimes whites have saddled us with?

You came so *close* with Cosby - but even he wouldn't stand with you:

No FOX News appearances for him - he hates those racists.

No claims blacks are "on the plantation" - because that very phrase, in the American context, is racist.

No claims American blacks were better off in Africa - or should go back if they don't like it - because the people who've say that are racists.

Long story-short, you're lying, and defending a man who blacks know waaay better than you do - because he loved us and not you. He may have been wrong in his old age, politically, but that doesn't mean anybody rejected him - Bill Cosby only confused us while giving us concern for his mental state - whites will just twist a lie for themselves, as usual, and claim that's reality.

I betcha - if it was your daughter complaining - "political correctness" would be the last words coming out of your mouth.

But it's not - so you'll use any weapon handy.

The question is - after 400 years of white interference in the black community dominated by white's self-serving lies - why would a white guy want to enter the black conversation at all?

And, since they like integrity so much, why are whites loathed to follow the story of this nation's crimes - which include such a massive number of rapes of black women black's skin is a different color - to it's logical conclusion?

Oh yeah - because whites in this country aren't into "political correctness".

Whites simply ain't got much stomach for - or experience with - honesty, of any kind, if you ask blacks.

Bill Cosby's "not,...black enough for the cause"? No - not as a rapist. His image is shit to us. Because we're good people.

You guys are still certainly white enough, though.

Your every lie proves it,...

RecChief said...

Tim, you beat me to it.

Ann Althouse said...

"I was going to say how many Packer fans would even but that book, or remember Herb Adderley. But then I remembered that thousands have bought Packer stock that is worthless, so..."

I think the idea for another Lombardi book was to place him in the context of racial progress.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

If 20 (white) Althousians declaim a person commenting (black) racist, I reckon they are racist and there is no need to further determine any other possible answers.

When 20 people claim Obama is an Islamic traitorously-gay drugged-out low IQ freak we know that is true; otherwise why would 20 people make the claim?

RecChief said...

who is royce boyles?

I've never heard of the book.

What are the sales figures for this book? Maybe they Packers had an ulterior motive for pulling it?

If Cosby hadn't called out the "black community" would any of this have happened?

Laslo Spatula said...

Women get angry when a man's foreplay leaves something to be desired. Men: drugs don't equal foreplay. Something for everyone.

AJ Lynch said...

Professor: interested to know if you think this look back at Cosby's actions might fuel a look back at the alleged actions of Bill Clinton? I think it will.

Wilbur said...

@ AJ Lynch

The MSM has no interest in dredging up anything about either Clinton. What you're suggesting is "old news".

Anyway, we were all properly instructed years ago that a) after all, it was just about sex, b) it was solely a private matter between Bill and Hillary, and c) it was just that sex-obsessed perv Ken Starr who was behind it all.

Original Mike said...

"I was going to say how many Packer fans would even but that book, or remember Herb Adderley. But then I remembered that thousands have bought Packer stock that is worthless, so..."

Herb Adderley was probably my favorite defensive player.

I'm embarrassed I don't own Packer stock. Every fan should.

MayBee said...

Seems like a way to draw attention to his book.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Jerry Seinfeld drugged a woman on his show so he could "play with her toys."

"Jerry is fascinated with his girlfriend's (Celia played by Julia Pennington) old toy collection that she won't let him near."


How many men, in factors of 20, decided "hey if Jerry does it, I can do it too!"?

All else being equal, this entire issue highlights the difference in treatment leftist whites get from their media and blacks get from the leftist white media.

The leftist whites are racist, blacks know it and extrapolate this fact erroneously to all whites in many cases, and the beat(ings) go on.

Unknown said...

Nice of schmucko to drag the football players with him. Perhaps Adderly might have been of the opinion that his old friend Bill Cosby either was innocent or at least deserved due process first. That's another form of integrity, which Royce or Boyce or whoever seems not to value.

Crack, you've come out of the woodwork for this one. What does it mean to you exactly? There's a lot going on here. What's your math to push against Cosby?

Laslo Spatula said...

The two players are black; I am assuming the author is white. If so, doesn't that seem racially patronizing on his part? The intelligent white writer will make the call on integrity for the two black athletes? If this is the case, the writer acted like a bitch.

Unknown said...

and yes as someone said above, when the lynch mob goes over 20, does that mean it's all right to castrate, hang, take pictures of Garage's blackys? Besides, they were evidently white women, so really wasn't it just revenge? Reparations, as it were?

chickelit said...

The author could stage a public bookburning at Lambeau Field where many people who bought the book are likely to gather. This could be both effective and warming. I haven't thought through the symbolism angle yet though.

Help me.

Quayle said...

Christ said that the highest commandment was to love God and the second to love your fellow man, and that on this hung [or, in other words, to this end existed] all the prophets and the law.

So it makes perfect sense that as people turn away from the prophets and act in violation of God's laws, the amount of love in our society diminishes.

Or put plainly in another way: the end result of the violation of the 7th great commandment is not just more fun with more sex, not just one guy, Cosby, is now being accused by the mob. Rather the end result is a diminution of love, and a weakening of the cross beams to the other commandments, which only further diminishes the substructural foundation needed to foster and maintain a loving and merciful society.

The fact that the fun of free love is immediate while the resulting loss of love and mercy in a society sets in over time -generations even - does not lessen the momentum of the unintended results that are now coming.

Now the soup is starting to boil, and before this is over we'll all be helplessly looking around for some savior and some line of thinking that will clean up the mess and keep the wolves at bay.

And I know of only one philosophy that will get us out.

And it starts with insisting that those that are without sin among us only, be allowed to first take up the stone against Crosby.

AJ Lynch said...

Orig Mike:

I was watching a HS football playoff game on TV yesterday - it was being played at Northeast HS in Philly which was the successor to Adderley's alma mater.

Diogenes of Sinope said...

Bill Clinton.

dreams said...

And serial sex abuser and rapist Bill Clinton is welcomed to KY and Arkansas to campaign for the Dems because, well just because.

Diogenes of Sinope said...

It is odd that ten or more women could have been raped by one famous easily identified man and not one of the victims would have gone to the police at the time. This is not much different then the having to prove you're innocent, no due process on college campus kangaroo courts. I have no idea if Cosby is innocent or guilty. But I know it is impossible for a person to prove they are innocent of an accusation of a 20+ year old crime.

Big Mike said...

That's one way to publicize your book.

garage mahal said...

Vincent Thomas Lombardi was a proud union supporter and member of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

Michael said...

Another case of the classic raped by a virile black man fantasy. This time by a safe herd. And in the waning days of the 20 th century, long past the ascendency of the strong, self sufficient, white woman. The Polanski reference is worth pondering. The lefties rally around their own

I believe redemption lies within Cosby's grasp. A straight on attack of the media using his blackness as sword and shield. Polanski? Clinton? Maybe the introduction of a few MFs in his conversation, some more blackish rhetoric, a different outfit. A new fiery Cosby, ready to confront the power. No Scottsboro Boy, he.

Wilbur said...

That Lombardi, a great empathy for the working man.

Jim Ringo, All-Pro Packer center, brought an agent with him to negotiate with Lombardi. His secretary told him Mr. Ringo and his agent were here. Lombardi said ask them to please wait.

He came out in a few minutes and said "Gentlemen, you're at the wrong office. You've been traded to Philadelphia". Lombardi went back in his office.

chickelit said...

@Wilbur: Lombardi sounds like Walker.

Years and years ago, Democrats stood for something different. Not to be indefinite, but these days they either stand with Walker or stand with a walker.

Ann Althouse said...

"Seems like a way to draw attention to his book."

Which anyone can easily buy on Amazon. It's available on Kindle.

Unlike the Bill Cosby book I'd buy and blog if it were in Kindle: "Love and Marriage."

Ann Althouse said...

"Professor: interested to know if you think this look back at Cosby's actions might fuel a look back at the alleged actions of Bill Clinton? I think it will."

Not for Clinton supporters. Clinton still aligns with liberal politics. Cosby veered into conservatism. Remember that Clinton got away with sexual harassment just a few years after liberals tried to destroy Clarence Thomas (who was only accused of asking for dates after it was indicated they were not wanted and engaging in some banter about sexual things in the workplace). Liberals had invested a lot in teaching Americans to take sexual harassment seriously, and then with Clinton, they pretended none of that mattered, even though we knew a lot more about what Clinton had done and the accusations against him were far worse.

Ann Althouse said...

"Not to be indefinite, but these days they either stand with Walker or stand with a walker."

What? No link to "Stand With Governor Walker"?

garage mahal said...

@Wilbur: Lombardi sounds like Walker.

Lombardi was one of the first NFL coaches to be openly friendly to gays and gay players. Lombardi had a zero tolerance policy towards racism inside the organization, he told every player that if he found about it they would be cut on the spot.

I wonder if Lombardi would have something to say about a jacobinist like Walker. He was everything Walker isn't.

Michael K said...

Cosby had a sold-out stage show the other night.

Not everybody is a hot house flower.

furious_a said...

So, Whoopi...was what Mr. Cosby is alleged to have done "rape" or "rape-rape"?

CWJ said...

The eyes grazing to heaven, Palm to the chest, posturing coffin/integrity quote made me spit take my coffee.

This has nothing to do with integrity, and everything to do with self-promotion.

The author asks the Green Bay Packers to stop selling his book. Shrewd move. High profile but lower volume seller directly affiliated with the book's subject. The story is sure to be picked up. As the Packers person notes, they can't say no when the NFL is embroiled in a domestic violence brouhaha. Mission accomplished.

Wake me when he stops cashing his checks. Wake me when he asks Amazon or Barnes and Noble to stop selling his book. More to the point. Wake me up when he asks Ascend Books to stop publishing his book.

Integrity indeed.



CWJ said...

OK, I now see that he plans to have "a lawyer" contact Amazon and B&N. "Plans" not yet done. But the Packers, yeah that was quick and easy. I also see that sales have been less than great, and that he doesn't expect his publisher to reprint the book.

Sounds like a case of "I quit," rather than be fired.

Self promotion intact. Integrity still zero.

William said...

Ray Lewis has a body count and a statue memorializing his deeds as a football player. Someone got away with murder in the Lewis case. Black men can be killed with impunity but only by really good football players.......Cosby has now joined Justice Thomas as a black celebrity whom it's ok to dump on. Unlike Thomas, the abuse is probably proportionate to his crimes, but there are other black celebrities who have committed worse crimes, and all is forgiven with them.

The Crack Emcee said...

Unknown,

"Crack, you've come out of the woodwork for this one. What does it mean to you exactly? There's a lot going on here. What's your math to push against Cosby?"

A lot going on. Let's unpack some:

20 women against "America's Dad"? Grandmothers. Stories stretch over decades. No money. No jail. A man with so much power his fans might do anything - and, still, they add their names? Look, like 400 years of open white supremacy on blacks vs. a few decades of not-so-open, I can do math:

He did that shit, and another black man handled it, because Cosby's scoldings didn't make sense.

Cosby's a "race man" - not a conservative as y'all think - so to blame blacks for being poor was old age talking, which it is since it's Booker T. Washington's turn-of-the-last-century's rejected ideas. We thought Cosby lost his mind. Until now.

His "pound cake speech," which started his crusade, began just as all this started emerging. Cos didn't "leave the plantation" - he never said white supremacy doesn't exist - and his words weren't received by blacks that way. They were evidence of him acting waaay out of character. That's key. He was rattled.

Anyway, I'm enjoying America having a rare moral moment, at least in most quarters. It feels good, everybody debating important issues, rather than whether J-Lo's butt defined the new thing.

Coming on the heels of Hoover's evil letter, and tape, to MLK (that made it to Coretta) and documented evidence the Mormon's Utah is really Joseph Smith, Inc.'s North Korea (I've been so wrong and y'all such good little drone boys) the status quo's "patriots" are being given a pretty decent thrashing by - say it with me - HISTORY.

And there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Go on, don't listen to me, check your history: America let 1000 Nazis into this place, and paid their bills - including Social Security - as it steadily worked to cut blacks out of the American Dream. But - hey - you liked the message Bill was selling so all better.

The man whites liked, to hide their racist ahistorical views behind, is undone by his own part in white supremacy - wanting to dominate white women. What a joke. What a sap. But typical of a black man of his era - minus the drug stuff. That's really weird.

So, all further proof this place is constructed on lies, of purity, innocence, and benevolence, with so many skeletons in it's closet, it's supporters don't dare air open it for fear - no, knowledge - of their own complicity.

As long as I don't have to live in shame of them for a while, because history's got my back. That's all I want. Some existential cover.

I'm right, and I know it - again - and that's my interest, and my day's comfort,...

rehajm said...

But when they drop the lid on my coffin, I just hope that maybe somebody would say, He had a sliver of integrity anyway.

Less likely.

Michael K said...

Cosby had a standing ovation at his show this week.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael K,

"Cosby had a standing ovation at his show this week."

And this, too, will pass,...

EMD said...

NotquiteunBuckley said... [hush]​[hide comment]
Jerry Seinfeld drugged a woman on his show so he could "play with her toys."


Wine + Turkey (tryptophan) = drugged?

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael K,

"Cosby had a standing ovation at his show this week."

The Washington Post added another name last night.

The Crack Emcee said...

An ex-NBC employee named Frank Scotti told the New York Daily News in an exclusive interview this week that he would guard Bill Cosby's dressing room while the comedian brought young models, some as young as 16, into his dressing room. Cosby claimed he was interviewing them for the show.

Scotti says that in the years he worked for NBC during The Cosby Show's 1984-92 run, he paid out money orders to eight women, including Shawn Thompson, after Cosby gave him the cash to do so. At one point, Cosby asked Scotti to call up Donald Trump's brother to get an apartment for one of his women. Cosby had Scotti do his monthly money payouts up to $2,000 each to women the comedian was allegedly sleeping with, and Scotti held on to the money order receipts.

- Gawker

garage mahal said...

There are plenty of black celebrities who have been accused of raping 20 women and got a free pass. Really!

chickelit said...

The Washington Post added another name last night.

Left to grow on its own, that number would probably grow to 1 in 5 women.

"They got the guns but we got the numbers" and all that.

chickelit said...

There are plenty of black celebrities who have been accused of raping 20 women and got a free pass. Really!

Are you talking about the first "black" president?

PeterK said...

well to use a phrase used by the Democrats during the Clinton impeachment
"but it is only about sex"

NotquiteunBuckley said...

"Kramer gets Jerry to admit that he has been drugging his girlfriend. Kramer then brings out an angry Celia (who was "backstage"); she breaks up with Jerry as Kramer and Newman do their best to whip up the non-existent audience."

I don't remember if it was cold medicine or something else, but this character DRUGGED A WOMAN for laughs.

For money.

And you defend it.

You had better introduce light to the dark corners of your brain Sir.

damikesc said...

I love that garage confuses paying hush money with rape.

Did Clinton rape Lewinsky since he got friends to offer her jobs she did not quaify for?

Its another case of narrative trumping reality.

also, further proof that Crack is the worst poster here. Most people say it would be better if he was not here and, given his stated beliefs, he should leave.

Unknown said...

----I wonder if Lombardi would have something to say about a jacobinist like Walker. He was everything Walker isn’t.---

Gosh, you could grow so much stupider actually listening to Garage.


The Jacobin Club was one of several organizations that grew out of the French Revolution, and it was distinguished for its left-wing, revolutionary politics.[2]

The Jacobin dictatorship was known for enacting the Reign of Terror, which targeted speculators, monarchists, left-wing agitators, Hébertists, and traitors, and led to many beheadings

The Jacobins were known for creating a strong government that could deal with the needs of war, economic chaos, and internal rebellion (such as the War in the Vendée).

Walker has not beheaded anyone. He believes in smaller government.

That lefty name calling is a loser Garage. Unless you’re an ignoramus.

CWJ said...

"I don't remember if it was cold medicine or something else, but this character DRUGGED A WOMAN for laughs."

Isn't this the tryptophan episode? If so, I hope you're just joking with us?

The Crack Emcee said...

Unknown,

"Walker has not beheaded anyone. He believes in smaller government."

Translation: throwing people in the street.

Such a nice man,...

The Crack Emcee said...

chickelit,

""They got the guns but we got the numbers" and all that."

O.K., but then you have to explain why, on a beloved figure.

And the matching stories, by strangers, separated by decades. 18 women. That's a conspiracy with lots of moving parts. Easy to claim but - with that many women - also easier to crack, if it existed. Nothing so far.

But, then, y'all fell for ebola, and BENGHAZI!!! and the birther bullshit, and Mormonisms-not-a-cult-because-they-are-so-nice, and slavery was a long time ago, so why should this be any different?

The Crack Emcee said...

“Nothing stays in the dark 4ever!”

- Lisa Bonet

Michael said...

Crack

Y'all predicted a rout of Republicans at the midterm. Y'all are rarely right.

If the allegations against Cosby were being made against Coates y'all would be screaming about the historic reason for the hanging of black men, the alleged rape of white women. Scottsboro Boy,s all the way down.

Suddenly you trust these white girls.

LOL

NotquiteunBuckley said...

I just watched the episode. Jerry is in her bathroom, looks at a couple of pill bottles and talks about which ones "might" or "may" cause drowsiness, then doses her.

With pills from her bathroom, after playing for laughs which drug will best accomplish his tawdry, sordid task.

To play with her toys.

Yes, later, in levels of kink many can't imagine, others involved provide the amount of turkey required to forego the possibility of consent.

This doesn't change the pill scene Sir.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

"Y'all predicted a rout of Republicans at the midterm. Y'all are rarely right."

I also predicted Romney would lose.

You don't understand what "rarely" means,...

NotquiteunBuckley said...

An artist would take 32 teams and articise them.

For art.

Next thing you know abounding art Belmont Clubs then KACHING.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Crack prevented Rush from owning the Rams.

I am learning each day muse.

TEACH LOUDER.

It's okay.

Had a bad day.

Well I'm drowning in it too.

Everyday hits me something oh so cold, find me sitting by myself, no excuses to unfold...

Michael said...

Crack

The white women don't give a shit about Coates. They have never heard of him. Like most people. They also don't give a shit about Cosby's race. Like most people these actresses don't give a moments thought to black people

You may have noticed a trend lately that women are deciding, years after alleged events, to claim they have been raped. Or something like rape. Perhaps.

Possibly.

That is what we have here. That and a chance for you to let an Uncle Tom have it. Just because there is nothing you find more satisfying.

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Alice In Chains was the paraphrase there Philistines!

"No Excuses" is the name of tHe damn song.

tim maguire said...

This strikes me as not so dissimilar to the removal, after 9/11, of a scene in spiderman where the webbed one swings around the world Trade Center. Someone might feel bad, better to air brush it out.

In Soviet Russia, no one can predict the past.

The Crack Emcee said...

"Unlike typical black Republicans, Cosby spoke directly to black people. He did not go on Fox News to complain about the threat of the New Black Panther Party. He did not pen columns insisting the black family was better off under slavery. He was not speaking as a man sent to assure a group that racism did not exist, but as a man who sincerely believed that black people, through the ethic of "twice as good," could overcome."

- Ta-Nehisi Coates

Do whites ever consider why they enjoy Cosby's message - that blacks must be "twice as good" to be their "equal" - in America? Maybe it's because, like Cosby, they know white's discrimination is real - and enjoy keeping us working twice as hard to succeed? That is the status quo, as Bill Cosby explains it, and you're endorsing as the correct way to see things. Tell me:

What if we had to work "thrice as hard" to be the same - would you think that was a good statement, on American democracy, in 2014, too? Four times? Five? Obviously, working no harder than whites do is out of the question - white supremacy won't allow it.

White people can work at any rate they choose. No larger numerical needed. But blacks - twice as hard for the same paycheck - and, if you say that's not fair, "you're wrong" white people say. "Twice as hard" for blacks is The American Way they know - and will insist, without irony, that's what "All Men Are Created Equal" means.

It's conundrums, like this, that cause blacks to just stare blankly at white people - and, now, Cosby - wondering what's wrong with their minds.

BTW - Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock, and Dave Chappelle, have all publicly chastised Cosby for his bullshit without anyone claiming the black community excommunicated Cosby. Even the black community never claimed to have done so - it's just whites talking from the outside. Telling us what they "believe" without a single fact to back it up. You know:

Like when they were calling Obama "incompetent" for not freaking-the-fuck-out, with them, over a single case of ebola.

They never admitted he was right and they were wrong. Never admitted they were the incompetent ones. Never admitted their ignorance.

They were just happy to pretend the first black president didn't know more than whites did, and spread that message, far and wide.

No interest in the truth what-so-ever.

But they know it now.

They've got another massive conspiracy - a la birtherism, 9-11 truther, Benghazi, and all the rest - that'll explain everything. Again.

This is a nation of malevolent mad men,...

Michael said...

Crack

I work with a black guy who works half as hard and makes twice as much as I do so you are wrong about all blacks having to work twice as hard. He makes a whole lot of money. He isn't the only rich black guy I know.

The nation is not filled with malevolent mad men. So you are wrong about that too. Very wrong about that.

The Crack Emcee said...

"Martin Luther King was a criminal. Rosa Parks was a criminal. Malcolm X was not just a criminal in his youth but regarded and treated as such by the FBI until the end of his life. Indeed, J. Edgar Hoover criminalized much of black leadership from Marcus Garvey to King to Malcolm to the Black Panthers for his entire career.

And Hoover did much more. When Viola Liuzzo was brutally murdered by white supremacists, Hoover's FBI spread rumors that she was heroin addict who liked to sleep with black men (a crime in several states.) The rumors had the intended effect:

... the July 1965 issue of The Ladies' Home Journal published a poll that asked if readers thought Liuzzo was a good mother. Fifty-five percent didn't. ("I feel sorry for what happened," said one woman in a focus group convened to talk about the Liuzzo story, "but I feel she should have stayed home and minded her own business.")

Why was Hoover so dead-set on criminalizing Liuzzo? Because Hoover himself was a criminal who'd placed an informant in the car with her murderers. The informant had cut his teeth beating the daylights out of Freedom Riders. Hoover did nothing to restrain him. Liuzzo's husband tried to defend her name. He later turned to drinking and died. Liuzzo's family sued the FBI and lost. Today the name of J. Edgar Hoover—an inveterate racist and scourge of black people—decorates the headquarters of the incorruptible FBI.

Even being technically within the law has not insured protection for black people. The Freedom Riders were not seeking new laws; they were trying to get the federal government to enforce a Supreme Court ruling already on the books. The response from law enforcement was to treat them like outlaws. The attorney general's office was essentially created to enforce civil rights for black people, but when called to actually enforce the law, Robert Kennedy denounced not the Southern police but the Freedom Riders, for producing "good propaganda for America's enemies." Meanwhile informants, ostensibly in his employ, were helping white supremacists wreak havoc.

All of this must be remembered the next time the police invoke "Stop Snitchin'"—the same police who've long maintained a blue wall of silence. The uncomfortable fact is that "The Law" in America has been—at best—a halting friend of black people, and more often a direct enemy."

- Ta-Nehisi Coates

But - hey - if Bill Cosby says that's the American Dream, and even persecution by the FBI is a problem that individual blacks working "twice as hard" can overcome - alone - he must be right.

White people said so,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

"I work with a black guy who works half as hard and makes twice as much as I do so you are wrong about all blacks having to work twice as hard."

Because, like Cosby, one black guy stands in for - literally - millions of others we all see, every day.

Just insanity on parade,...

Michael said...

Crack

No. White people did not say that.

But everything Bill Cosby ever said critical of the black community is wrong. Because white women said so.

The Crack Emcee said...

Martin Luther King was wearing a suit when he was shot in the face.

Please explain how the words "pull your pants up" changes that.

Michael said...

Crack

Keep the pants down low. That will show em.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

Hilarious - only a white man can say "White people did not say that" and then follow it up with "everything Bill Cosby ever said critical of the black community is wrong" and not realize he's contradicted himself.

And "Keep the pants down low. That will show em" is snark - which, I must assume, in white circles passes for an Einstein-worthy argument.

I swear, with such brilliant minds, if whites had to work "twice as hard" they'd still be living in caves,...

The Crack Emcee said...

"I began to see the entire device—a method by which you exploit a people and then clean yourself of all responsibility. An act is committed—enslavement, for instance. The victims make a credible claim. The claim is disputed with poor logic. (“They have been taught Christian civilization, and to speak the noble English language instead of some African gibberish. The account is square with the ex‑slaves.”) The people making the claim eventually die. At that point the claim is acknowledged as having been credible, but because the claimants are dead, nothing can be done.

The counter-strategy to reparations has always been to run out the clock. It was true in the time of Callie House. It is true today. The vast majority of the responses to "The Case for Reparations" are not so much responses, but evasions. The respondents prefer to ignore the details of the claim ("The people to whom reparations were owed are long dead."), to ignore the facts of history ("What about...Japanese Americans, interned during World War II?") or to to simply flail around like a six-year-old ("OK. Whatever. Reparations scholarships to Middlebury for all!")

Understanding that those who could make a reparations claim were very much alive, I wanted to understand who the claim was being made against. One popular response to reparations is to say "I didn't own any slaves, so I can't be held responsible." Other versions of this include "My ancestors came over in 1920, I can't be held responsible." Or, "My great-great grandmother was half-black, I should not have to pay." The first flaw in this logic is to believe that the reparations claim is rooted in the allegedly distant past. I now knew that it wasn't. But the second flaw is to conceive of reparations as a claim made against individual white people, as opposed to American society itself.

Kim Forde-Mazrui's scholarly article "Taking Conservatives Seriously: A Moral Justification for Affirmative Action and Reparations" was crucial in understanding this question. The article notes that the state, necessarily, outlives its individual citizens. Americans pay for things, all the time, that they are not individually responsible for. If the "I didn't do it" argument was followed to its logical end, the state would effectively dissolve.

At that point I then felt I had argument."

- Ta-Nehisi Coates, showing Michael how it's done,...

Michael said...

Coates is a bore, crack. As are you. Plus a poor reader.

Whites have done pretty well for themselves. Even those who have lived far from slavery, in countries that never had slaves. That doesn't work well for your thesis about the white race.

dont think reparations are going to make it next January as you predicted. focused on paying Mexicans now.

Unknown said...

---Crack says Walker is throwing people in the streets.


Go do some drugs crack.

Pianoman said...

Unperson refs Bill Cosby