Just out of curiosity, if they could not plan to reach the pole without sufficient safety margin to avoid eating their pack animals, perhaps they should not have gone? Or waited until there were snow machines? they could hardly have pleaded military necessity.
"Just out of curiosity, if they could not plan to reach the pole without sufficient safety margin to avoid eating their pack animals, perhaps they should not have gone?"
Or was it the plan? If you accept eating meat, what is the real problem here? These were animals bred and exploited for the benefit of human beings. They lived and were cared for. Their bodies were created and used for work and for meat. What is the issue? That you are sentimental about the species dog because your use for dog is to be a pet and that psychological category of human exploitation excludes the meat use? But these animals were not pets.
I excerpted the part -- in the other post about Antarctica -- about how the load was lightened along the way, so it seems like a rational way to proceed.
The invisible fence collar buzzes as the dog approaches the fence and shocks when it gets closer. The smartest dog I ever met would lie down just close enough to the fence and let the collar buzz until the battery wore down and then come and go as he pleased.
Ann, we get it. "Epater le bourgeoisie, that's all that anything means to me." That's why I think you need some epater, to see how you like it.
I'm pretty much on record saying that dogs and horses are superior in my mind, closer to humans (if socially) than other animals. If you are going to use beasts of burden and plan to slaughter and eat them as part of the economy of the thing, why don't you use oxen to draw your cargo? Or cats? Cats deserve to die, and oxen would taste better. Or reindeer, they would be well adapted to the clime.
I think a man looking at mounds of horse meat and dog meat and thinking about petits pois is trying to jolly himself along. I think it was not that important to get there in the first place. That they should blunder or mischance and be set to equiphagy and caniphagy might be one thing; to plan it from the outset...I ask with Bugs Bunny, Is this trip really necessary?
Also, and this is trying to treat this rationally, once you have used up all your dogs and horses getting to the Pole, how is it that you get back? Do you hit the reset button and get gifted with another set of pack animals to load you out of the Pole? Or did they mean to die there, or set up housekeeping? Be resupplied by FedEx? Walk home?
This is the other side of the coin by how I mean that this seems a strategy of desperation.
@Nichevo, one uses dog sleds because sled dogs don't sink deeply into the snow the way horses, mules, and other hoofed animals do.
Amundsen planned his expedition meticulously, including the slaughter of some of his sled dogs. Some he expected to lose to physical breakdowns anyway. But he didn't kill all of them. How would he and his men get back?
Amundsen's meticulous planning contrasts with Robert Scott's amateurish miscalculations. And Amundsen not only beat Scott to the pole but he and his men returned alive and well. Scott and his men died just 11 miles from a forward food cache.
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The Good Owner Cafe.
They're all good dogs until they rip your throat out.
Where's Zeus? He is the best dog of them all.
Cute doggie!
Why are you so extremist?
Like Jon Stewart, Althouse and Obama look from above at the happenings and decide accordingly. They decide with all. Not just your bigotry.
You, those looking not-from-above, of course wouldn't understand.
This idea is filled with hope. They have already raised $1 million:
solar freakin' roads
Today at Brat Fest I was grilling next to someone who is convinced Scott Walker will lose in November. I did not engage him in debate.
At the Good Duck Café:
March of the Peabody Ducks Memphis TN with red caepet.
You want the truth?
I saw Pelosi's daughter on Hannity years ago and realized I'm not even JV.
I ain't in Varsity's sights.
Other ways can't be so I ain't bothered, but Pelosis' daughter is, like Ritmo Sequndo or whatever, smarter than me and more than I can handle.
That's why Buckley.
Trigger warning warning:
That dog is glaring at me from eye-level with nothing in between but an electronic barrier!
Bow-wow-zarre, Meade.
Just out of curiosity, if they could not plan to reach the pole without sufficient safety margin to avoid eating their pack animals, perhaps they should not have gone? Or waited until there were snow machines? they could hardly have pleaded military necessity.
excuse me, that one was meant for the Freak going on about his mounds of peas. I'll give him peas!
"Just out of curiosity, if they could not plan to reach the pole without sufficient safety margin to avoid eating their pack animals, perhaps they should not have gone?"
Or was it the plan? If you accept eating meat, what is the real problem here? These were animals bred and exploited for the benefit of human beings. They lived and were cared for. Their bodies were created and used for work and for meat. What is the issue? That you are sentimental about the species dog because your use for dog is to be a pet and that psychological category of human exploitation excludes the meat use? But these animals were not pets.
I excerpted the part -- in the other post about Antarctica -- about how the load was lightened along the way, so it seems like a rational way to proceed.
The invisible fence collar buzzes as the dog approaches the fence and shocks when it gets closer. The smartest dog I ever met would lie down just close enough to the fence and let the collar buzz until the battery wore down and then come and go as he pleased.
Ann, we get it. "Epater le
bourgeoisie, that's all that anything means to me." That's why I think you need some epater, to see how you like it.
I'm pretty much on record saying that dogs and horses are superior in my mind, closer to humans (if socially) than other animals. If you are going to use beasts of burden and plan to slaughter and eat them as part of the economy of the thing, why don't you use oxen to draw your cargo? Or cats? Cats deserve to die, and oxen would taste better. Or reindeer, they would be well adapted to the clime.
I think a man looking at mounds of horse meat and dog meat and thinking about petits pois is trying to jolly himself along. I think it was not that important to get there in the first place. That they should blunder or mischance and be set to equiphagy and caniphagy might be one thing; to plan it from the outset...I ask with Bugs Bunny, Is this trip really necessary?
Also, and this is trying to treat this rationally, once you have used up all your dogs and horses getting to the Pole, how is it that you get back? Do you hit the reset button and get gifted with another set of pack animals to load you out of the Pole? Or did they mean to die there, or set up housekeeping? Be resupplied by FedEx? Walk home?
This is the other side of the coin by how I mean that this seems a strategy of desperation.
@Nichevo, one uses dog sleds because sled dogs don't sink deeply into the snow the way horses, mules, and other hoofed animals do.
Amundsen planned his expedition meticulously, including the slaughter of some of his sled dogs. Some he expected to lose to physical breakdowns anyway. But he didn't kill all of them. How would he and his men get back?
Amundsen's meticulous planning contrasts with Robert Scott's amateurish miscalculations. And Amundsen not only beat Scott to the pole but he and his men returned alive and well. Scott and his men died just 11 miles from a forward food cache.
I think I would not have gone absent necessity. Wait for internal combustion, slaughter some defenseless hydrocarbons.
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