March 2, 2014

"Why do men want to be smarter than their women?"

Asks Instapundit, linking to this post of mine (wherein I linked to something I wrote back in 2005). He proceeds to answer his own question... or I should say to suggest an answer, since he begins with "well" and posits the result of plugging the question into an evolutionary-psychology question-answering device:
Well, evolutionary psychology would say that a man’s greatest risk is being stuck raising a kid that isn’t his; thus, you don’t want a woman who’s smarter because she’s more likely to successfully cheat on you.
Poor men! So alpha and so beta, all in one organism that produces genetic material but can never see it through to fruition. Wrangling the reproductive container becomes a lifetime preoccupation. So dominant and so subordinate.

But let's examine the purported product of the evolutionary-psychology question-answering device. Isn't there always a smarter man, figuring out how to disperse his genetic material, getting it into a baby-incubator, without spending time caring for her? Shouldn't this woman who scored at the sperm bank trick a good-enough man into caring and providing for her? If this good-enough man wants a woman he can control and looks for someone dumber than he, she only needs to be smart enough to play dumb.

There's no end to the stories one can generate to explain whatever science report happens to pop up in the press and inspire us to think of reasons why it's true (if it's true).

100 comments:

harkin said...

"Wrangling the reproductive container"

Best phrase of the week.

rhhardin said...

It's a peg battle.

Lyle said...

It's just not true men want to be with smarter than women. Men will be with any woman regardless of intelligence. Intelligence is lower on the list of reasons maybe like being a nice guy is lower on the list for women. Women seem to gravitate towards more intelligent men for whatever reasons.

Personally, I find intelligence in women to be attractive.



chickenlittle said...

Isn't there always a smarter man, figuring out how to disperse his genetic material, getting it into a baby-incubator, without spending time caring for her?

When the Woody met the Frank

Pogo is Dead said...

Evolutionary psychology explanations are Just So stories for atheists.

MadisonMan said...

It's not that they want to be, they just are.

James Graham said...


All the slickest deceivers I've met were not "smart" or "intelligent."

They were shrewd and cunning, two qualities possessed by some of our less intelligent fellow humans.

Anonymous said...

Just about any woman's conversation is going to consist largely of criticisms and complaints. The more rhetorical mastery she's able to bring to the task, the harder it is to take.

rhhardin said...

Wrangling the reproductive container becomes a lifetime preoccupation. So dominant and so subordinate.

You outgrow it.

It's not voluntary, remember. The wiring that survives is the wiring that does stuff producing reproductive success.

Hence us.

Dismissiveness is a female attention ploy to attract men.

What's that "miss" doing there after all.

jimbino said...

All this time I've been thinking women to be lacking in intelligence and ability in chess, math, physics, economics, cabinetmaking, welding, film making, haute couture and haute cuisine, beer brewing, solo travel and other important pursuits.

And all this time they have been fooling me! They just want me to feel superior.

rcommal said...

Men don't prefer an edge over other men as well? (Din't humans generally, in one way or another, when it gets down to it?)

rcommal said...

don't, not din't

rhhardin said...

Women vote for Obama because he's so stupid.

My theory.

Big Mike said...

I love smart women. I married the smartest woman I ever met (way smarter than you, Althouse, since she didn't vote for Obama in 2008). We've been married 39 years. She's just wonderful.

I think lots of men are insecure, and don't know how to form a partnership with their wife. But if you're going to form a life-long partnership, why wouldn't you want it to be with the best partner you can find?

Howard said...

Men knocked down a peg having another man holding the door want their women to be relatively dumber.

The Crack Emcee said...

White men, historically, have wanted to be seen as smarter than everyone, whether it was true or not.

Blacks don't care, and the matriarch in most homes is the historical evidence.

rhhardin said...

Women want super to take the dative.

madAsHell said...

So they don't have to answer a bunch of stupid questions??

BDNYC said...

Why so women want to be prettier than their men?

Why do women want to be shorter than their men?

Etc

Jupiter said...

During most of human history, when your family/tribe/city lost a war, the men got killed, and the women got new husbands.

rhhardin said...

Just so skepticism is a survival strategy.

Henry said...

Given that the "evolutionary" part of evolutionary psychology is based on behaviors that supposedly solidified before men were sapiens, given that men in hunter-gatherer cultures typically have lots of (relative) freedom, I would say that man's greatest risk is evolving.

It's not smart women that are the problem. It's smart people in general. You got the whole day ahead of you to do some hunting, pick some fruit, and then some brainiac plants some beans. Agriculture is work! Men have been running away from that for 50,000 years.

Jupiter said...

That's gonna leave a mark.

rhhardin said...

It's time to talk about kicking the can down the road.

traditionalguy said...

There is social intelligence that most women have over men. But it is the rare woman who has the rest of the intelligence package that includes: continuous education in the latest fields of knowledge, and mixed with practical life skills of money management, disciplining and raising children and keeping grandchildren a regular part of life, all the while being a perfect complement to her husband's image socially and at Church.

Men are basically good for physical protection and companionship. That is why we have to work so hard at romance skills so we wont lose her.

chickenlittle said...

rhhardin said...
Women want super to take the dative.

Not to be accusative, rhhardin, but aren't we nominally talking about the genitive here?

Pogo is Dead said...

Why do bicycles want to be smarter than their fish?

bandmeeting said...

Crack MC,

I noticed that the sun came up in the east today. Could you give us the racial angle on that. Thanks because I see race in absolutely everything but that one has me puzzled.

Anonymous said...

It's not so much that I want to be. It's just that I am.

Michael K said...

It's amazing to me that intelligent people will spend time talking about this. It sounds like a lead article in a NOW magazine.

Evolutionary psychology also tells us that attractive people tend to be smarter. Not in individuals but in the entire population. Genetic anomalies often cause the victim to be odd looking and unattractive in the sense of desirability as a mate.

When I was at Childrens' Hospital years ago, it was early in the genetic era of medicine. We would see kids with suspected anomalies who were "funny looking." We even had an acronym, "FLK Syndrome." On one occasion, a kid was being worked up for FLK syndrome until his parents showed up. They looked just like the kid.

Evolutionary forces have brought men to choose attractive women and women to choose men who are better providers. Both rational choices.

Recent political forces have modified this to include earning ability as the middle class has lost ground. Eugenics is also alive and well among the "elite."

rhhardin said...

Is the shrug more or less dismissive than dismissiveness.

Who knows.

chickenlittle said...

Pogo is Dead said...
Why do bicycles want to be smarter than their fish?

In the context of Wisconsin gubernatorials, that's a Burkean question.

Howard said...

Michael K:

Absolutely right. Elites are elite because they have the instinct to breed well: a self fulfilling prophesy. Every parent practices eugenics, most fail.



The Crack Emcee said...

bandmeeting said...
Crack MC,

I noticed that the sun came up in the east today. Could you give us the racial angle on that. Thanks because I see race in absolutely everything but that one has me puzzled.


White men brought blacks to the West, against their will, thus the sun rises in the East.

If blacks had made slaves of whites, instead of the other way around, the planet would've reversed on it's axis.

That said, here's a note for white guys:

1) Your anger at any mention of America's history of slavery, etc, isn't going to make it go away, won't change the facts, and isn't helpful, so you might as well can it.

2) When you harass a black person for mentioning it, you're still committing a racist act. (Your "colorblindness" didn't make us stop being black and white - nor did it stop the historical workings of this country)

3) Learn more about the history of the country - blacks have - and we make you sound like fools,...

tom swift said...

The answer is silly.

The question is silly.

The concept of "evolutionary psychology" is silly.

We have no idea why what we call intelligence evolved.

Oh, there are boatloads of theories. But no evidence.

As we used to say at MIT, intelligence has no survival value.

That's an aphorism, though, not a fact.

At the anecdotal level, I don't think I've ever run into a woman who's intelligent enough to realize that she isn't as intelligent as she thinks she is. Though some would claim that that's a shortcoming in the wisdom department, rather than intelligence.

Little known fact (at least in some quarters) - most men would prefer women to be (1) intelligent and (2) quiet.

I have no data for that. It's just another aphorism.

SGT Ted said...

""Why do men want to be smarter than their women?""

Assumes facts not in evidence and really is the typical feminist twaddle that asserts that men are intimidated by strong women.

Howard said...

Crack is right. White men have been bred and trained to high expectations. As Steely Dan put it: "In the land of milk and honey
You must put them on the table "

In your enlightened position as the self-appointed foil for republican racism, is the African American matriarchy due to strong women, weak men, white men, ?

SGT Ted said...

White men, historically, have wanted to be seen as smarter than everyone, whether it was true or not.

Blacks don't care, and the matriarch in most homes is the historical evidence.
>


More assumed facts not in evidence.

Howard said...

Tom:

On a thread about intelligence, when you play the MIT card, you knock yourself down a peg. It reeks of pride and self doubt. If you want a smart and quiet woman, marry a man.

dbp said...

I think most men want to have an uncontested leadership role in their marriage.

They are usually bigger and stronger which means that they cannot be physically pushed-around.

In marriages where the woman is noticeably smarter, she also is more likely to be the alpha in that marriage. Some men are okay with this, most are not.

The Crack Emcee said...

Howard,

In your enlightened position as the self-appointed foil for republican racism, is the African American matriarchy due to strong women, weak men, white men?

Nah, it's due to that simple understanding:

"This is a man's world - but it wouldn't be nothing,…"

Being raised by women allows black men to appreciate them - even if we hold all the (physical) cards,...

chickenlittle said...

Being raised by women allows black men to appreciate them - even if we hold all the (physical) cards,...

We probably need a TMR link to fully understand this,..

bandmeeting said...

Your anger at any mention of America's history of slavery

I'm not angry--how could you know?--I am amazed, however by your ability to turn anything into a racial argument.

When you harass a black person

You call that harassment? I don't post 40 times on a single thread.

Learn more about the history of the country

Tell me, how much history do I know?

SGT Ted said...

1) Your anger at any mention of America's history of slavery, etc, isn't going to make it go away, won't change the facts, and isn't helpful, so you might as well can it.

2) When you harass a black person for mentioning it, you're still committing a racist act. (Your "colorblindness" didn't make us stop being black and white - nor did it stop the historical workings of this country)

3) Learn more about the history of the country - blacks have - and we make you sound like fools,...


It isn't anger at it being brought up. It's anger at your arrogance to think that we haven't ever examined it and that our disagreements are invalid, because we are "white.

It is anger at your insipid brain dead racist construct that was invented by White revolutionary leftists and stoked by propaganda operation designed by the KGB to produce just such an attitude in the black communities, by fomenting racial hatred and distrust of all whites as racists.

You and those that think like you got suckered bigtime by 80 year old GRU/KGB anti-western propaganda aimed at fomenting racial strife.

If you were a real student of history, you would know that what you think is some sort of defiant truth telling is a mere parroting of Communist psychological operations and "moral equivalence", pro-Soviet Union talking points written by other white people.

Michael K said...

"The concept of "evolutionary psychology" is silly.

We have no idea why what we call intelligence evolved.

Oh, there are boatloads of theories. But no evidence. "

I think we are the best evidence but, as you say, it is all theory. It;s a bit difficult to prove anything like this but it is not "silly."

SGT Ted said...

Being raised by women allows black men to appreciate them -

Yes, because all the white babies are raised by machines made of cold metal and hooked to the Matrix for sustenance.


Racist idiot.

rcommal said...

Does it come down to oneupmanship?

The Crack Emcee said...

chicken little,

"We probably need a TMR link to fully understand this,.."


That you didn't get one should prove how bullshit your complaint is.

You're a racist, chickie. Deal with it. I do.

Hagar said...

Does not that depend somewhat on being smarter at what?

Two breadwinners with no talent for home-making is not going to work out that well, nor is two home-makers with no talent for breadwinning.

The Crack Emcee said...

band meeting,

"I'm not angry--how could you know?--I am amazed, however by your ability to turn anything into a racial argument."

It's not a racial argument - it's American history. I know, whites have been protected from it before, but those days are over and declaring any mention of race as inciting racism is bullshit. If you can't recognize the differences, then shut-up until you can..

"You call that harassment? I don't post 40 times on a single thread."

You also don't regularly get a white mob after you either - I do - why do you suppose that is, again, with this country's history?

"Tell me, how much history do I know?"

Not enough to think you can correct me,...

Big Mike said...

@Crack, it isn't white men impregnating all those teenage Black girls.

If you want to find out who's at fault for the state of Blacks in America, go get a mirror.

Henry said...

It's worth reiterating the basic tenant of evolutionary psychology. Certain psychological traits in some pre-humans made them more successful at passing on their genetic traits than other pre-humans. Over time these traits predominated in the species. Given the evolutionary time scale, these psychological predilections were all locked in place before any actual human history.

But what if there were multiple psychological strategies for passing on one's genetic material?

Consider the "clever layabout" theory. Here, the successful male is a lazy do nothing. By not bothering much with being successful at hunting or fighting, he gets to spend that much more time hitting on the females. The females want a better provider than the clever layabout, except for the fact that the best providers are also in the highest risk profession. The dumb female seeks the immediate reward offered by the great hunter. The smart female calculates the actuary tables and realizes that the smart layabout, while never offering a surplus of provision, is also less likely to die a violent death far from home.

Thus, we have the rule that smart women are attracted to lazy men.

Is that what the study said?

rcocean said...

The real question is how many women want to be "The smart one" in the relationship?

Being the dumb one, implies mental weakness, and Women don't like weakness in their mates.

I don't think most men care. They care about Looks and personality first. And money too.

Howard said...

SGT Ted

My take on Crack is that he blogged for years thinking he was one of *us* who just happened to be black. Then Trayvon Martin happened and he finally decoded the dog-whistle talking points of teabagger chickenhawk pusbag bloggers.

Now, he appears to be on a solitary mission to remind the dominant white male culture that being born into the richest family the world has ever known makes life appear easier than it really is. Also, the post racist society is BS. Racism is hard-wired. That's why dog-whistles work.

Telling oneself and the world that one is colorblind is denial. The path to sobriety is admitting you have a problem.

Hi, my name is Howard and I am racist and prejudiced and use stereotypes everyday.



The Crack Emcee said...

SGT Ted,

"It isn't anger at it being brought up. It's anger at your arrogance to think that we haven't ever examined it and that our disagreements are invalid, because we are "white."

Oh, Sarge, stop it - you've heard these guys admit they "don't think about race" so stop lying.

"It is anger at your insipid brain dead racist construct that was invented by White revolutionary leftists and stoked by propaganda operation designed by the KGB to produce just such an attitude in the black communities, by fomenting racial hatred and distrust of all whites as racists."

Nope - racial constructs were invented by whites, not "liberals," so stop lying again. And the communist accusations go all the way back to slavery so, if you know so much, why are you still trying it?

Because you don't know as much as you think.

"You and those that think like you got suckered bigtime by 80 year old GRU/KGB anti-western propaganda aimed at fomenting racial strife."

Or whites are actually guilty of doing bad things. Hmmm. Considering I know history, and me, I'm going with my version and not yours.

"If you were a real student of history, you would know that what you think is some sort of defiant truth telling is a mere parroting of Communist psychological operations and "moral equivalence", pro-Soviet Union talking points written by other white people. "

And, if you were a real student of history, you would've read Native Son a looooonnnnng time ago and knew this line you're giving me is ancient history to blacks.

Like I said, you sound like a fool.

Check out that last link - I'm expecting an apology from a man of honor, such as yourself.

Seeing Red said...

Anyone watch the meltdown linked on Instapundit? She may be "smarter," but brains isn't everything. Yeesh.

Michael K said...

"The smart female calculates the actuary tables and realizes that the smart layabout, while never offering a surplus of provision, is also less likely to die a violent death far from home.

Thus, we have the rule that smart women are attracted to lazy men."

The weakness of this theory is when a rival tribe attacks and kills the lazy guy, Then the winners rape all the women and 9 months later you have a new generation of warriors.

This behavior was common all through human life until Democrats were invented.

The Crack Emcee said...

SGT Ted,

Yes, because all the white babies are raised by machines made of cold metal and hooked to the Matrix for sustenance.

If that's what you call this, O.K..

I call it better mothering than whites gave,...

Henry said...

The weakness of this theory is when a rival tribe attacks and kills the lazy guy

By that point the lazy guy has already done his work.

The Crack Emcee said...

Big Mike,

"If you want to find out who's at fault for the state of Blacks in America, go get a mirror."

Not until you look at hundreds of years of earning for whites under the whip and rape did.

It came first.

The Crack Emcee said...

Howard said...
SGT Ted

My take on Crack is that he blogged for years thinking he was one of *us* who just happened to be black. Then Trayvon Martin happened and he finally decoded the dog-whistle talking points of teabagger chickenhawk pusbag bloggers.


BINGO!!!!

rhhardin said...

Whites stopped caring what blacks thought after OJ.

The Crack Emcee said...

rhhardin said...
Whites stopped caring what blacks thought after OJ.

Wow - that's an amazing admission. It was actually after the Civil War.

They re-up on not caring about every decade,...

The Crack Emcee said...

I wonder how whites think not caring about blacks is new, or some evolution in their behavior.

It's really par for the Nazi/KKK course. If blacks were Jews in Germany, you'd see that, I hope.

That whites don't understand that is chilling,...

Saint Croix said...
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Martin said...

Man smart, but the woman is smarter:

Home

Howard said...

rhhardin is correct. OJ was a very polarizing event. It was a huge public event, bigger than the superbowl and bigger (for whites) than the Rodney King verdict. The riots following the Simi Valley jury exoneration of the LA cops was the first start of the polarization for whites. The OJ verdict reaction caused a majority of white conservatives and moderates to think "Fuck Them".

Saint Croix said...

Also, the post racist society is BS. Racism is hard-wired. That's why dog-whistles work.

Dog whistles work on dogs. We are not dogs.

Breeding defines dogs. We are not dogs.

People have free will and nothing is hard-wired. Atheists, if you will pardon the lurch into religion, have nothing helpful to add about race. It's like hairless apes talking to children of God. Shut up.

The Crack Emcee said...

Howard,

"The OJ verdict reaction caused a majority of white conservatives and moderates to think "Fuck Them"."

That's brilliant. After 400 years of white injustice, whites see one swing the other way - not out of calculation, as whites historically did it, but just bullshit - and they decided they'd had it.

After 400 years of white injustice.

That whites don't see how chickenshit that looks is amazing. Let's try a visual:

400 YEARS OF BRUTAL RACISM, PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE, AND TERRORISM ACCOMPANIED BY A RAVING INJUSTICE SYSTEM

Vs.

One nasty trial outcome that didn't go your way.

I keep telling you, you look like Nazis, and you ignore it.

What can anybody do with that?

Only by ignoring history can many of you think and feel the way you do - and it's wrong.

Big Mike said...

Not until you look at hundreds of years of earning for whites under the whip and rape did.

Paid in full, Appomattox Court House, Virginia, April 9th, 1865. May I assume you didn't get the memo?

Big Mike said...

@Howard, yeah, the picture of Blacks jumping for joy at the OJ verdict, followed by the riots, were a turning point. Another more recent one was Trayvon Martin. All of the evidence agreed that Martin physically assaulted Zimmerman after Zimmerman had lost sight of him. Hispanics aren't allowed to fight back when jumped by a Black? Has anybody run that past La Raza?

@Crack, if you want to change things for the better, start by teaching young Black men not to respond with violence whenever they feel that they're "dissed." If he hadn't felt the need to settle his grievance with Zimmerman using his fists, young Martin would be alive today.

The Crack Emcee said...

Big Mike,

Paid in full, Appomattox Court House, Virginia, April 9th, 1865. May I assume you didn't get the memo?


There was nothing paid - there was something stopped.

And then, 12 years later, they started some new shit for another 100+ years.

What's wrong with you?

You probably thought that French deal, where the Haitians had to pay the French for their freedom because the French had lost slaves was a good deal, too?

Gee, why is Haiti so poor?

Why are blacks here so poor?

Because nobody's paid shit.

Howard said...

Crack:

You act like this is news or something that has just come to light. Also, your lofty expectations for white behavior indicates that at one point, you may have subconsciously bought into the whole master race meme.

We are Neanderthal inbred greedy bastards. Why do you think the Romans called our ancestors Barbarians?

Listen to the words of Zep's Immigrant Song to get an idea of why we are this way.

The Crack Emcee said...

Big Mike,

@Crack, if you want to change things for the better, start by teaching young Black men not to respond with violence whenever they feel that they're "dissed."

No, I'm going to tell whites to stop being animals.

Howard said...

Big Mike

The only reason the wife-beater pussy Zimmerman confronted the unarmed teenage boy was that he had his heater to back him up.

His Dutch courage directly led to the kids death. If Trayvon beat him to death, it would have been justified since he was assaulted by an armed adult.

The Crack Emcee said...

Howard said...
Crack:

Your lofty expectations for white behavior indicates that at one point, you may have subconsciously bought into the whole master race meme.

Stop it. I actually think white people deserve the benefit of the doubt, is all. True, they test you, but we eat the same food, etc. And they ain't all bad. You can be white and cool, too.

I've beat too many white guys, physically and mentally, to believe in any "master race" bullshit,..

The Crack Emcee said...

Howard,

"Listen to the words of Zep's Immigrant Song to get an idea of why we are this way."


Nah, fuck Robert Plant's posing - I go to the source for my fun.

Fen said...

Crack: There was nothing paid

And there it is folks. Millions of whites who died to free black slaves.

Crack: Not good enough

So why would any of us expect that Crack is arguing in good faith? He just wants "stuff" and is will to stir up race hate to get it.

There's a name for that.

n.n said...

Saint Croix:

Exactly. Bias is a product of nature, while prejudice is a product of nurture. Each can be moderated by freewill and mitigation, respectively.

Howard said...

Crack:

Laibach is fucking intense. Thanks for the link. Listening to Volkswagner now... Nietzsche would approve!

The Crack Emcee said...

Howard said...
Crack:

Laibach is fucking intense. Thanks for the link. Listening to Volkswagner now... Nietzsche would approve!


Cool - check out the first album for the whole Nazi experience.

They're artists, trying to evoke the sound and culture, not Nazis, BTW.

Big Mike said...

The only reason the wife-beater pussy Zimmerman confronted the unarmed teenage boy was that he had his heater to back him up.

His Dutch courage directly led to the kids death. If Trayvon beat him to death, it would have been justified since he was assaulted by an armed adult.


@Howard, all -- let me shout that -- ALL of the testimony points to the kid throwing the first punch. Trayvon Martin was not assaulted by an armed adult, Zimmerman was assaulted by the unarmed kid. Zimmerman did not fire his weapon until he was flat on his back on the ground getting his face pounded. The law says that he is allowed to defend himself with lethal force under much lesser circumstances than that.

Would Zimmerman have left the car had he not had a gun on him? Perhaps not. But perhaps so. What you are taking as a certainty is mere supposition on your part. At any rate the circumstances are what they are. He was the one attacked. If Trayvon was still pounding him when the cops arrived one minute later, they might have shot him, case closed. Once Martin decided that he was "dissed" and that -- according to Crack -- the only possible response was violence, he was at least 85% likely to be dead within minutes.

That's the reality. Deal with it.

Big Mike said...

No, I'm going to tell whites to stop being animals.

According to FBI statistics, more Black men and women are murdered by other Blacks every year than Black men and women were lynched during the entire Jim Crow period. We honkies don't know how to stop Black on Black murder. And all you can do is try to blame us. Blaming whites is easy. Blaming New Age stuff is easy. But we aren't pulling those triggers. We aren't getting Black teenage girls pregnant. That's all on you.

Just grow up.

The Crack Emcee said...

That's the reality - from Zimmerman himself. Deal with it.

"I think my life would be tremendously easier if I had stayed home."

The Crack Emcee said...

Big Mike,

According to FBI statistics, more Black men and women are murdered by other Blacks every year than Black men and women were lynched during the entire Jim Crow period.


White men cause more crime than everyone else.

Michael K said...

"The OJ verdict reaction caused a majority of white conservatives and moderates to think "Fuck Them". "

It wasn't the verdict. I watched a lot of the trial and thought the prosecution blew the case. The reaction was what turned a lot of people off. The black women talking about white women (Nicole) taking "our black men."

That was powerful and Trayvon was the finale. He was a doper and was kicked out by the school and his mother. He was not some "innocent black kid."

American blacks, and it is limited to them, have squandered a lot of goodwill. Goodwill that brought about affirmative action. Nixon proposed that when Byrd was still a grand kleagal of the Klan.

Big Mike said...

White men cause more crime than everyone else.

Not when normalized for their percentage of the population.

Grow up. It's not all about you. No one cares about you. Stand on your feet and be a man.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael K,

It wasn't the verdict. I watched a lot of the trial and thought the prosecution blew the case. The reaction was what turned a lot of people off. The black women talking about white women (Nicole) taking "our black men."

That's me and Trayvon in reverse. I sided with Zimmerman, but his supporter's monkey noises? Fuck that. I'm done. And now Zimmerman's shown his true colors, so whatever.

"That was powerful and Trayvon was the finale. He was a doper and was kicked out by the school and his mother. He was not some "innocent black kid.""

Here's where we differ. He didn't have to be innocent, Michael, he was a kid - stupid by definition. He didn't have to die.

"American blacks, and it is limited to them, have squandered a lot of goodwill. Goodwill that brought about affirmative action. Nixon proposed that when Byrd was still a grand kleagal of the Klan."

You seriously think affirmative action is evidence of "a lot of goodwill" after the four centuries of deprivation and wickedness you now have decided you can wipe our nation's hands of? Wow, Michael.

Not only is that mind-blowing KKK/Nazi/South African ideologically, but it shows the same callousness, and willingness to re-write history, that rivals those and any other major Holocaust and history deniers.

400 years vs. 40 and we've used up YOUR goodwill?

You really need to think, hard, on the concept of white supremacy, Michael.

You've got it bad, buddy.

The Crack Emcee said...

Big Mike said...
White men cause more crime than everyone else.

Not when normalized for their percentage of the population.

Most black people are in prison after being caught in the stupid war on drugs.

And BTW - you're not helping,..

Big Mike said...

And BTW - you're not helping, ...

Actually, I am helping. You just don't get it.

The people who tell you that it's not your fault, that it's all whitey's fault? They're laughing at you as soon as your back is turned. ARM, garage, they're laughing at you. If you like being laughed at, keep it up. If you want to be respected, then stop being disrespectable.

The Crack Emcee said...

Big Mike,

"Actually, I am helping. You just don't get it."

O.K. - shoot:

"The people who tell you that it's not your fault, that it's all whitey's fault? They're laughing at you as soon as your back is turned. ARM, garage, they're laughing at you. If you like being laughed at, keep it up. If you want to be respected, then stop being disrespect able."

Um, I've rarely ever spoken to garage, the last time having been over a year ago, I think. ARM and I have known each other awhile but don't always see eye-to-eye. He's a good guy but I'm pretty sure he'd laugh at the idea that I get my ideas from him.

It's interesting you'd think that. I can't make up my own mind? I need a "whitey" to tell me what's-what?

Now what would make you think that?

And you say you're not a racist,...

Alex said...

99% of men are insecure with the idea of any woman being smarter than them. That makes for a lot of insecure men as there are a million women PhDs out there....

Alex said...

Great....

Crack had to come in and unload another smelly pile of crap on a thread!

Great going Althouse...

rcocean said...

"Whites stopped caring what blacks thought after OJ."

Except for Spike Lee, various Athletes, Singers, and Oprah.

Oops. Better add Obama.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The real question is how many women want to be "The smart one" in the relationship?

Being the dumb one, implies mental weakness, and Women don't like weakness in their mates


The REAL issue is: what is the definition of being the "smart one". It isn't a competition between men and women. Man and women are not the same or interchangeable. In fact NO ONE is interchangeable.

People are "smart" in different ways. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses in ANY relationship whether it be business or personal relationships.

A man can be "smart" in some aspects of living. A woman can be "smart" in others. The key is to be joined in a relationship where what the one lacks the other has. This synergy makes a whole.

This isn't difficult to grasp.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Because the chance of passing on inferior genes is a small price for Glenn Reynolds to pay in exchange for feeling superior to his companions.

Howard said...

Michael K: Re-read your quote of my post... it says REACTION.

So, being a "doper" and kick out of the house by Mom makes it open season on Trayvon and all the other kids who diddy-bop and dress like Thugs.

Let me get this straight. After slavery and lynchings, we some throw fuck-me money and shitty low-level government jobs at blacks who should be mighty grateful to us kindly white folks. This is confusing. I thought the neo-con philosophy teaches that welfare and AA created the multi-babydaddy gangbanger lifestyle that has destroyed the black family. What goodwill fantasy shall Crack and his people be grateful?

Nichevo said...

Um Howard, I don't know what diddy-bopping is, but yes, if all thugs had one neck to hew, I'd say that would be a good day's work.

But let's not be so unrefined as to kill. Let's teleport them to Planet Obama for a day, and feed them Skittles (mmm) and Arizona watermelon (mmmm) and everything they like, and give them horsey rides or belts or flatscreens or shivs or whatever their little souls desire, and let Planet Earth go thugless for a day.

Who then would push the "bring them back" button? You?

And haha, how many would survive? How many would choose to return? Do you think there would be much improvement?

PS. For fun, drop them in a Gulag for 25 years, repeat.

Why are thugs protected? Why are they desirable? Why should they not be extincted? I'm sure Crack can find other musical inspiration.

Mike said...

I think the obvious explanation here is that men, like all humans, like to feel needed. We can't kill wooly mammoths any more and woman can make as much as we can. But knowing something that your wife (or kids) doesn't know makes you feel needed.