March 16, 2014
"Bobby Jindal... and Scott Walker both have strong education records."
Says Instapundit, causing me to think he was snarking on Walker's lack of a college degree. He's not, but anyone who has ideas about pushing Walker in the 2016 presidential campaign needs to be aware of this obvious weakness of his, which opponents will exploit like mad.
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Walker could turn his lack of a degree into an advantage. He should own it and run on it. There's a strong anti-bubble-head dynamic out there.
Really? His education? That's his negative?
How about being a good member in standing in The White Supremacists Club?
The way white society blows off ghettos and such (or doesn't Wisconsin have any?) is criminal. It's not even a topic - where he went to school is.
Fuck his school. Scott Walker shouldn't be judged by how he does, with the poverty, in his state? Even surrounded by emailing racists?
If he doesn't, it really does look like a club - including the white voters,...
You say weakness, I say strength.
At this point I would think the guy driving the garbage truck has more real world decision making skill than the string of credentialed heavy thinkers we've had foisted on us lately.
Leave the edumacated slinging Starbucks where they can't do much harm.
The obvious winger defense is that lacking education is a positive because higher education is such bullshit, totally indoctrination.
Fine. Soak in it. Love it. Pleasure yourselves.
But the actual GOP needs a better argument.
Having spent time at Dartmouth, the University of Chicago, and Harvard, I would love to see a candidate who could articulate the difference between schooling and education, and who would not be ashamed of his lack of schooling. And who would let people know that they shouldn't be ashamed either.
" Walker's lack of a college degree." You make that sound like a bad thing. In light of the incompetence and outright criminal behaviors of the current administration a degree isn't indicative of anything worthwhile to the country. Nor even a worthy goal.
I would like to point out that we've never seen any college transcripts for Barack Obama. (although many recent candidates released theirs, he did not. This is how we know Al Gore got bad grades in Science!)
Some theorized its because he was registered as a foreign student, but I've always thought it was because his grades were bad. Likely very bad. I think he has average to slightly above average intelligence, but he's certainly not in the gifted range, and also appears lazy.
"The obvious winger defense is that lacking education is a positive because higher education is such bullshit, totally indoctrination."
The obvious elite snob offense is that lacking the "right" kind of education is a deal killer.
This may come as a shock, but a sheepskin and intellect are not mutually inclusive.
There are no mirrors in The Crack's house.
White society (aside from the class pandering for votes)pretty much ignores the ghettos. It's the residents who blow off (up) the ghettos. But you're right about one thing; it is criminal.
"Obama....and also appears lazy"
I never see him 'roll up his sleeves' and do the hard work of governance. He tells others to 'get to work', then he goes to play. He never misses a vacation, he never wrote an article for the Harvard Law Review (which I understand is unusual for the publications' editor), and he doesn't have any real accomplishments prior to running for office that would indicate hard work and insight into problem solving.
He was an average guy who happened to give a great speech in 2003(?) and has been dining out on that accomplishment and the lingering impression it left on the Democrats.
There are no mirrors in The Crack's house.
White society (aside from the class pandering for votes)pretty much ignores the ghettos. It's the residents who blow off (up) the ghettos. But you're right about one thing; it is criminal.
Finally, a president who didn't go to Harvard or Yale. Whew. Truman was the last prez without a degree and he didn't do too bad.
" lacking education " Educated and credentialed are not necessarily inclusive. Again, witness the behaviors of the current administration, at all levels. Witness the arguments and defense of these curs in the msm, the "logic" and relativism employed. Quite frankly there is a disturbing lack of evidence supporting the education of these people, as well as a commensurate lack of morals and ethics.
The other winger defense is that lacking education isn't much of a negative compared to lack of experience, and that anyone who was fool enough to shrug off the latter in 2008 shouldn't be cackling too loudly about the former now.
Oh, you mean like those losers Bill Gates and Steve Jobs???
Considering that the incumbent and his predecessor both have two degrees from the Ivy League, I'd have to wonder whether, as a college dropout, Scott Walker isn't overeducated for the job.
We should hear "we don't need no education," at all his rallies. I'd vote for him just for that.
"Oh, you mean like those losers Bill Gates and Steve Jobs??? "
Or Thomas Edison, or Nikola Tesla, or...
History is full of examples of the "uneducated" shunning academia . Instead they decided to change or lives for the better.
This reminded me of this, one of the funniest Onion pieces I've read in a while.
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The response to the Walker criticism is that a BA is a certification for someone who has no major accomplishments and is just starting out in the workforce. It is a stand in for excellent work experience and evidence of intelligence. A BA is meaningless when evaluating an adult with a long record of accomplishment and experience that can be used for evaluation.
Take, for example, this Abdul Aziz character. He could probably use a BA.
Professor, are you trying to be ironic? 'Cause your recent comment ("...Pleasure yourselves") comes across as a parody of elitism.
"Take, for example, this Abdul Aziz character. He could probably use a BA."
Based on his cohesion of thought, I assumed he had one.
Freeman Hunt, he already has a BS.
It is difficult for me to reconcile Bobby Jindal's "strong educational record" with his advocacy of teaching intelligent design and creationism alongside evolution as scientifically acceptable alternatives.
"The obvious elite snob offense is that lacking the "right" kind of education is a deal killer."
Your "elite snob" reference cannot be to me. Everyone knows -- or if they can read the NYT could know -- that I married a man who does not have a college degree.
Sure, you could formalistically acquire the additional credits to have the degree. Walker has even talked about doing that.
My point here is that it is something that is factual and that will be used.
A good response is needed.
Denial is not a good response.
He could leverage the negative as a positive, but that needs to be done well.
Bullshit can be detected.
At least some of the time!
A. Lincoln...you uneducated clod, go suck an egg.
The defense of Walker here has been best articulated by Walker himself. It is not "because higher education sucks" as many commenters here want to spew.
Walker had family obligations that prevented him from being able to finish college. He is neither proud of this nor ashamed of it, though of course he would rather have been able to finish. This is something people of all political persuasions can relate to.
I despise Walker's politics but attacking him on the level of intellect or for his lack of a college degree seems very easily parried. As long as the "fuck college" brigade of wingers does not get to frame the defense, anyway.
By "strong" on education I assume Instapundit means ruining public schools.
Ann Althouse said...
Love it. Pleasure yourselves.
Masturbation references are edgy. It's too bad we can't discuss it like adults.
Bob Ellison wrote:
"Professor, are you trying to be ironic? 'Cause your recent comment ('...Pleasure yourselves') comes across as a parody of elitism."
But see Bob, it only comes across that way according to a very narrow worldview. You do not seem to recognize, for example, that the anti-college rhetoric represents its own form of elitisim, one of many varieties of tribalism we have competing for supremacy.
On a side note, it is amusing to see that Bob carry on as though they invented the "street smarts beats book smarts!" clarion call. "Common sense! Usefulness! Be practical!"
You know what is common sensical, useful, and practical? Prostitution. Get thyself to prostitute trade school, Bob Ellison.
The way white society blows off ghettos and such (or doesn't Wisconsin have any?
We have several. Some are filled with Norwegians. Phd's. Undergraduates. Dairy farmers. Crazed football fans. Plus the more conventional kind.
"By 'strong' on education I assume Instapundit means ruining public schools."
It being Instapundit, there's a great chance that is exactly what he means.
"Your "elite snob" reference cannot be to me"
Oh, but it can.
Your wholesale discount of Walker's chances due to the lack of academic credentials combined with your calling anybody who disagrees a "winger" strikes me as the very definition of "elite snob".
Your nuptials not withstanding.
So I guess it is a negative because all the Harvard/Yale/Princeton types that dominate the current administration have done such a great job? We need more of them? I would be glad to have an administration full of people with real world experience having actually done something successfully and of significance. My experience from 40 years in business is that the farther away you get from college the less it matters. It may get you in the door, but it doesn't necessarily lead to success. t know a number of people at my company who do not have college degrees but are quite brilliant and have a work history of real accomplishments. Walker has been successful as a county executive and as a governor. That counts more in my book than a college degree.
Easy response to any higher education/diploma criticism:
$1,000,000,000,000+ in student loans.
And President Obama's takeover of that debt.
Some assembly required.
Walker had family obligations that prevented him from being able to finish college. He is neither proud of this nor ashamed of it, though of course he would rather have been able to finish. This is something people of all political persuasions can relate to.
This is the right tactic. His accomplishments notwithstanding the lack of degree illustrate that he is more than capable of finishing college. I think he probably should, just for the sake of the credentialism that exists in society today. Finishing up a degree later in life is also something many voters can relate to.
"Unknown said...
Oh, you mean like those losers Bill Gates and Steve Jobs???"
Yeah, I mean exactly like them,...
Another easy response:
Are suggesting those without a college diploma are incapable?
(Think: Have you no decency, sir.)
harrogate said...
It being Instapundit, there's a great chance that is exactly what he means.
Yep, Louisiana public schools were the envy of the world until Bobby Jindal. Clearly we need to replicate school manangement in such democratic strongholds as Washington DC to reverse course.
Walker had family obligations that prevented him from being able to finish college
This is what Walker has claimed. The only problem with that is that his first kid wasn't born until four years after he left Marquette. He's a pathological liar, you must assume everything he says is a lie first.
"Are (you) suggesting..."
Stupid typo.
Garage mahal @ 10:23
Projection is fun!
David said...
The way white society blows off ghettos and such (or doesn't Wisconsin have any?
We have several. Some are filled with Norwegians. Phd's. Undergraduates. Dairy farmers. Crazed football fans. Plus the more conventional kind.
Those ARE the "conventional kind" - more whites are in poverty than any other race and (I'll add) no one suggests it's because of their culture, except in good ol' Wisconsin,...
"So I guess it is a negative because all the Harvard/Yale/Princeton types that dominate the current administration have done such a great job? We need more of them? I would be glad to have an administration full of people with real world experience having actually done something successfully and of significance. My experience from 40 years in business is that the farther away you get from college the less it matters. It may get you in the door, but it doesn't necessarily lead to success. t know a number of people at my company who do not have college degrees but are quite brilliant and have a work history of real accomplishments. Walker has been successful as a county executive and as a governor. That counts more in my book than a college degree. "
This ^
"Those ARE the 'conventional kind' - more whites are in poverty than any other race and (I'll add) no one suggests it's because of their culture, except in good ol' Wisconsin,..."
This is an outstanding point. Paging Paul Ryan: the problem isn't that you "articulated" badly, the problem is that you will blame "inner city" poverty on "culture* while not having much to say at all, about the equally large (if not larger) problem of rural poverty.
But when I say rural poverty, I don't mean whites. Of course not.
"garage mahal said...
By "strong" on education I assume Instapundit means ruining public schools."
What schools were ruined? Your phrasing indicates all of them.
Ah forget it. Let's cut to the chase. After finding out that the general public did not cry a river over asking public school teachers to pitch in for their health care and pensions, the left changed the story to "it's for the children!" despite not giving a rat's ass for kids.
Sadly, this dog didn't hunt, as it is well documented that schools benefited from Act 10...hell Walker's opponent in the recall used the provisions. Fortunately most of us know what garage refuses to accept, that allowing WEA and WEAC to ass fuck the taxpayers of Wisconsin is not a necessary part of kid's education.
It would be better if he HAD a degree, I agree. But, if he can make the argument that his lack of degree didn't stop him from doing X, Y and Z, then I think it is a wash.
"This is what Walker has claimed. The only problem with that is that his first kid wasn't born until four years after he left Marquette."
- Family obligations doesn't just mean kids. It COULD mean that, but it could mean a lot of things.
If Walker wants to go for a snarky defense, he could go for this:
Our current President went to Harvard, and look how well that turned out.
More realistically, since he did go to college, he can say he regrets not finishing and that it was a mistake, but opportunity was knocking.
"I despise Walker's politics but attacking him on the level of intellect or for his lack of a college degree seems very easily parried."
-- I doubt it. The same kind of attacks were leveled at McCain for finishing poorly at the academy, at Palin for her choice of degree, and at Bush for how well he did in school. The simple fact is, people on the left like to revel in the fact that people on the right are dumb. The calling Walker dumb isn't meant to attract NEW voters, it is meant to give partisans a two-minute hate before they go out there to work the ground game.
The Crack Emcee:
Thomas Sowell says Scots and Irish culture was transported to Appalachia and is why Appalachia remains in poverty. I agree.
So you are wrong. Many say with great justification that Culture keeps whites poor too.
Try again.
I'm no elitist snob. When Ann posted the McDonalds pics yesterday, I thought it looked great.
Walker has emerged as my current favorite in a weak field. What I know of him comes almost exclusively from this blog.
But when I just read for the first time that he doesn't have a degree, he instantly moved several places down on my list. I think it is an insurmountable problem.
Harrogate:
Repeating what The Crack Emcee says approvingly has lowered my opinion of you. Solid work.
Pat:
Classic Concern Troll.
I suspect in this day and age someone could accomplish the impossible by earning an MBA and JD at the same time, finish at the top of both classes, then have an extraordinary career of achievement and contributions and it would still be used against them as a negative.
But that's just a cynic talking.
...more whites are in poverty than any other race...
Numbers yes, % no.
Rehajm:
Only Republicans.
Democrats like rocket scientist Joe Biden remain oddly uncriticized.
Oddly.
Matthew,
Well, by "easily parried" I did not mean that political opponents won't call him dumb or that some won't invoke his lack of a college degree to call him dumb. I am saying that his explanation makes a lot of sense and that the "walker dumb" argument won't get traction, for many reasons. Not the leat of which is that he is clearly an intelligent man.
As for the "two minute hate" business, please let's not break out the violin or the wagging finger of disdain for "the left." Not without a huge dollop of hypocrisy medicine anyway.
Matthew, as you know, many of us on "the left" did not call any of those politicos dumb. My own very strong disdain for each of the three of them can be itemized to the nines, but you won't find "not smart enough" among the items. In this, I am not not so much an outlier as you might suppose.
Birkel,
Don't get all ad hominem here. Don't be jealous either. Hell, if you said something right, I'd agree with you too. It could be anything at all. Say, for example, that baseball was meant tio be played outside, in the daytime, and on grass. Governor George W. Bush once said that at a college graduation ceremony I attended, and I cheerfully ceded the applause.
"As for the "two minute hate" business, please let's not break out the violin or the wagging finger of disdain for "the left." Not without a huge dollop of hypocrisy medicine anyway."
-- Why not? It's pure facts to show that your pretense that people will ignore the attacks on Walker is utter imagination. The left has proven, time and again, that they are willing to attack people as though they are subliterate morons for whatever excuse they can muster in an attempt to score political points.
The right may have their own boogeymen, sure. But in the very specific thing we were discussing, your statement about Walker is patently untrue. If Walker gets the nomination, we will get a never-ending parade of Walker is dumb comments.
That's the reality, within the bounds of what we're discussing. If you want to try and say "The right does bad things too!" Fine. Whatever.
But the thing we're talking about? Walker's lack of a degree? To pretend the left won't aggressively exploit it to encourage hatred against their chosen political opponents is a flight of fancy.
Right back at ya, harrogate, you were wrong to approvingly quote The Crack Emcee's incorrect statement.
Meta-wrongness. Good times. Good times.
Any opponent hoping to exploit his lack of a degree will be caught looking very stupid indeed. There are dozens of retorts that will stop that cold forever so he will be smart to use the weaker ones first so that others give it a try. It is a "smear" that will not work.
Culture is at the root of most poverty in this country and anyone who thinks white poverty is not blamed on culture has never heard or used the words hillbilly, cracker, redneck, clodhopper, yokel, hick, bum, hobo, drunk, or any of the dozens of other words aimed at the white underclass.
"Your "elite snob" reference cannot be to me. Everyone knows -- or if they can read the NYT could know -- that I married a man who does not have a college degree"
aka "I can't be a racist; I have a black friend"
"It is a "smear" that will not work."
-- It will work, the same way similar smears worked against any other number of politicians. Walker should have some defense ready, sure. But, the simple fact is, for what it will be used for, there's no real defense, because the market for the comments are not the unpersuaded voter.
anyone who has ideas about pushing Walker in the 2016 presidential campaign needs to be aware of this obvious weakness of his, which opponents will exploit like mad.
Because the noble B. H. Obama has shown the world what a Harvard degree is worth? Lies and corruption and ineptitude is about the size of it. I'll take Walker's track record over Obama's degree any time.
- Family obligations doesn't just mean kids. It COULD mean that, but it could mean a lot of things.
Quitting college in his senior year to take a part-time job at a nonprofit to support a family wouldn't make a lot of sense. Whatever the reason, you can be sure that the reason given isn't the truth.
What will be hilarious, if Walker runs, will be to watch the likes of David Gregory question the intelligence of another human. Or Katie Couric. Or Matt Lauer.
Dolts, the lot.
Matthew,
Fair enough, on this particular topic, the "not smart" boogeyman is indeed more of a left politics trope.
I can only say this. If Walker runs for President, pledge to argue as much as possible with anyone I hear use his lack of a degree against him, that they please consdier his explanation and stop being an asshole and oppose him, if they will, on the grounds of his political agenda.
I agree that the smear will be there. I just doubt it will have the wildfire effect you seem to think it will have. I kinda think that this is a lot like the Terri Shiavo case: too many people have been in a position to have to make that call, one way or another. It just was outrageous to a lot of people on a very personal level, to see politicians calling special sessions to weigh in on this terrible situation.
I think similarly, people will think "hey, that's like what happened to me" when people try to slam Walker for this. It is a dangerous game that could easily backfire.
That is, *unless* the right gets a chance to frame the discussion with one of *its* favorite "two-minute hate" vehicles: to wit, the slamming on college education and "bubble heads" that we have already seen so happily expressed in this thread.
2d post a Crack Emcee 'Racist' Rant. All racism all the time.
What an angry, hate filled person you are Crack. Let it go. Find the Good.
Matthew S. OK. So in a debate the opponent says that Walker's lack of an education shows x y or z. Can you think of no comebacks? Really? Not even, your degree certainly doesnt show up in your performance? A slam against the opponents college only draws in those from rival schools and makes half the alumni laugh.
It wont work in the way intended.
"Bubble heads" ???
Do you mean to express the $1,000,000,000,000 in student loan debt is not a real phenomenon?
Or do you wish to express that the costs of that borrowing extend to include delaying families? Delaying home ownership? Delaying moving out of the family home?
Please, do explain.
Garage. OK. So the retort is, I flunked out and saying otherwise wasnt like I promised you could keep your doctor. After our current president a bit of humility will be in great demand for our next one.
The best schools are: The public library; And, the "school of hard knocks".
Both avoid the mental-masturbation of too many academics.
----The only problem with that is that his first kid wasn't born until four years after he left Marquette.
Ummmm, there is more to 'family relations' than just children. Spouses, wives, parents, in-laws. Many sources of burdens and responsibilities.
Only a self-centered wretch like Garage….
Michael:
Does failing out in the last year of college happen very often? That's less likely than any number of other things.
harrogate said "Bob Ellison wrote: "On a side note, it is amusing to see that Bob carry on as though they invented..."
I have worked hard to suppress my desire to correct crappy writing and ignorance of grammar, case, tense, and subject-verb agreement, but man, you just made it well up inside me here. You need a book, or something.
Michael: I don't think anyone will use it to challenge him, directly. It'll be used on blogs, in stump speeches by surrogates distant enough from the main campaign, etc. The same way any politician makes a sensitive attack against an opponent that can be easily refuted but gins up the base.
Bob, please accept my apologies for the bad sentence mechanics. I would blame my phone but in truth I wrote it on a desktop and totally hit "send."
comes across as a parody of elitism.
That is a mistake. Althouse is nothing if not an elitist.
Birkel. Dont know and dont really care. I do know that in the fever swamps of Madison there are plenty of people who "know" the dreadful thing that happened that caused him to leave. Not unconnected to double secret routers that morf into double secret servers. Etc.
By "strong" on education I assume Instapundit means ruining public schools.
How can they get any worse?
I am a public school teacher and I strongly support Charter schools, homeschooling and parental choice. Anything that gives parents more rights and more responsibilities when it comes to their kid's education.
Birkel said...
Another easy response:
Are suggesting those without a college diploma are incapable?
(Think: Have you no decency, sir.)
There's also a considerable risk to Democrats if they try to slam Walker for his lack of a degree. The majority of Americans don't have a degree either. If they try to make the case that not having a degree means someone is stupid, the self-proclaimed party of the working people (which is a blatant lie) will also be calling the majority of voters stupid. It's like when they laugh at poor people for being trailer park trash - they're insulting the very people they claim to champion. In their smug sel-righteousness, Democrats are often tone deaf as to how others hear what they're saying.
harrogate, don't apologize. Own your inability. Own it, I say!
Michael:
Fair enough. But there are some reasons that would make Walker less likely to win. And many are innocuous.
Failing the last year of college is rare.
Matthew S. 22% of the population has a college degree. Great strategy to insult the remainder.
Those ARE the "conventional kind" - more whites are in poverty than any other race and (I'll add) no one suggests it's because of their culture, except in good ol' Wisconsin,...
You don't get out much do you Crack? I've been reading about a culture of poverty among White people for the last fifty years.
Birkel said...
Another easy response:
Are suggesting those without a college diploma are incapable?
(Think: Have you no decency, sir.)
There's also a considerable risk to Democrats if they try to slam Walker for his lack of a degree. The majority of Americans don't have a degree either. If they try to make the case that not having a degree means someone is stupid, the self-proclaimed party of the working people (which is a blatant lie) will also be calling the majority of voters stupid. It's like when they laugh at poor people for being trailer park trash - they're insulting the very people they claim to champion. In their smug sel-righteousness, Democrats are often tone deaf as to how others hear what they're saying.
Reading this thread really drives home my lack of understanding of the thought process of many.
So if I understand, the lack of the "proper" credentials early in life negates the accomplishments later in life.
Alternately, the Ivy League bonafides of our last 2 presidents negates all their epic fuckups.
Got it.
Matthew Sablan:
I think you hit the mark. This will be whisper campaign stuff. And it will be reported as "Some are saying..." To give the idiots in the MSM cover.
If handled too aggressively this line of attack is easily countered, just like criticisms of Reagan's age were cleverly set aside.
Quitting college in his senior year to take a part-time job at a nonprofit to support a family wouldn't make a lot of sense. Whatever the reason, you can be sure that the reason given isn't the truth.
Hey Garage...what reason would you have for sealing your schhol transcripts, records and papers while you are running for president? What reason would you have for sealing your wife's papers?
Aren't you even a little curious?
Those with a good College Degree who continue their educations with reading and seeking out truths by the standards of their Professors' rigorous approach eventually become learned men.
And then there are the literate men who believed what they read in newspapers and Time Magazine and had no curiosity to learn.
Walker will be OK as long as he is not shamed by a false inferiority image.
I do know that in the fever swamps of Madison there are plenty of people who "know" the dreadful thing that happened that caused him to leave.
My guess is he was kicked out of Marquette. It would fit the pattern.
Campaign theme song?
When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of education
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall
The shoe fits the other foot. It is incumbent on those who object to Walker's lack of a degree to explain why they're not elitist......No one in recent public life was more contemptuous of higher education than Ted Kennedy. He got caught cheating on an exam. He was not just stupid, but lazy and dishonest as well.. Ted's contempt for study and a academic excellence was not a deal breaker for most Dems.
By the way, when you say "winger", you reveal yourself as a leftist. It's a tell. We wingers don't use that term and have to think about it, because we're slow and stupid.
Birkel,
Thomas Sowell says Scots and Irish culture was transported to Appalachia and is why Appalachia remains in poverty. I agree.
Didn't we already do the there's-something-wrong-with-Irish-culture thing already - like in the 19th century?
I guess, when it comes to good slave stock, we ALL look alike,...
So even after an exhaustive investigation by Politifact Wisconsin that showed zero evidence that Walker was kicked out of Marquette and actual evidence that he was a student in good standing when he left, Garage still guesses he got kicked out. Must have found his evidence on the secret routers.
lemondog said...
...more whites are in poverty than any other race...
Numbers yes, % no.
Who cares about percentages? When I'm outnumbered 6 to 1, your percentage still overwhelms black's numbers but whites still act like we're the bad guys - with no acknowledgment of the life of crime THEY made an integral mechanism for survival.
Trying to defend the indefensible is indefensible,...
Based on Wiki, from my perspective, Walkers weakness is having very little private sector experience, seems mainly politics.
Well, at least he is not a laaaaawyer.
The Crack Emcee:
A non sequitur says what?
Michael,
Culture is at the root of most poverty in this country and anyone who thinks white poverty is not blamed on culture has never heard or used the words hillbilly, cracker, redneck, clodhopper, yokel, hick, bum, hobo, drunk, or any of the dozens of other words aimed at the white underclass.
That's crap - it's deprivation - kept in place by a dominant culture that insists everyone must suffer before making it.
Now I see.
The Crack Emcee has descended to peddling conspiracy theories across a broad range of subjects. Sad!
Unknown said...
2d post a Crack Emcee 'Racist' Rant. All racism all the time.
What an angry, hate filled person you are Crack. Let it go. Find the Good.
I like the presumption that I invented white supremacy, white privilege, voted for the Dred Scott law or anything else that made America racial. I didn't - I simply have to live with it's real-world ramifications and you don't. You can blow it off, as you're trying to do here. I try to blow it off and I get shot by some yahoo, who can't recognize I'm Republican by sight, and has been reading too many Glenn Reynolds posts on guns and his twisted sense about black culture.
That's not racism - it's reality.
You want something good? Fine:
I'm "positive" you're wrong,...
It's time we had a conversation about credentials versus accomplishments.
That's not a "winger defense", that's an opportunity to speak rationally to what our education system does right and where it goes astray.
Crack. Was it Black History month? Why, after all these years, did you become interested in slavery and oppression? You seem to have been more interested in eliminating New Age thinking than reparations. Then, bingo, we are all still stupid and you are stiil the seer but the topic has shifted. We are still captivated.
Michael said...
Why, after all these years, did you become interested in slavery and oppression? You seem to have been more interested in eliminating New Age thinking than reparations. Then, bingo, we are all still stupid and you are stiil the seer but the topic has shifted. We are still captivated.
Thanks, I think, but it's still just cultism/tribalism/groupthink to me. White conservatives are distancing themselves from the concept of America just as NewAgers distance themselves from, both, Christianity and the modern world - by attacking the "other".
That I got caught in it, during Trayvon, is what made the switch.
Conservatives should've left that one alone,...
There is no such thing as white or black culture. Attempts to combine lots and lots of complex things into one simple concept has driven people insane.
It is necessary to simplify and generalize but it can lead to sickening racism from weak minds.
And Crack sorry if I caused you to shut off your comments. It wasn't my intention.
"Conservatives should've left that one alone,..."
Ah, yes. "We" should have let an innocent man be attacked and convicted in the court of public opinion.
Nice other-izing you are doing there.
What will be hilarious, if Walker runs, will be to watch the likes of David Gregory question the intelligence of another human. Or Katie Couric. Or Matt Lauer."
Birkel
True comedy gold would be those questions in context of a Joe Biden campaign.
@horrowgate at 10.06 Spot on.
By the spring of 2016 the educational background of the candidates will be far less important than their professional accomishments to date. In 2016 I suspect that Walker's accomplishments will be seen more favorably ( assuming he is running) than the presumptive Democrat candidates.
Re-reading this thread I am amused at "garage mahal".
He has even less of substance to say than normal. That's no mean feat.
Wow. Just started reading the comments, and out of the gate, Althouse throws out a"winger" insult. Bitch, please. It's partisan hack academics like Obama and Liz Warren and yourself who have degraded the worth and stature of higher education. Only a hardcore, intransigent idiot would look at a 50 year old man as succesful and intelligent as Walker, and disregard him because he didn't go to college. Yeah, we really need more college boys and girls running the country. Just look at what an awesome job Barry and his geniuses have done. It's happy hour, democrats!
Really smart people leave college all the time. They leave because they went to college to create a skill so they can get a job. Next thing you know, you got that skill, somebody wants to pay you for that skill so you go.
As mentioned, ask Bill Gates or any other successful person pulling down bi money that didn't waste their time when they were ready, there are millions.
Got that right Michael.
Bob, please accept my apologies for the bad sentence mechanics. I would blame my phone but in truth I wrote it on a desktop and totally hit "send."
Damn Harrogate! You stole my excuse!
The entire Obama Presidency is an in indictment of the incompetence of the Credentialed Class progressives' central planning visions.
And it is hardly a "winger" idea to point out the failures of the credentialed class progressives policies as being a result of their over-reliance on credentials and ideology, as opposed to actual competency.
Dumbasses who did not finish college. Gates. Zuckerberg. Jobs, Dell, Ty Warner, etc
What is your defense you dumb wingers? Drop out billionairres who donT meet the standards of a professor afraid to fly.
But when I just read for the first time that he doesn't have a degree, he instantly moved several places down on my list. I think it is an insurmountable problem.
An elite snob outs itself.
I bet you voted for Obama, 'cause he so smart, with his law degree. We know how THAT is working out.
This attitude is a huge part of the problems facing this country. College credentials mean NOTHING when it comes to competence and common sense.
Anybody that has served in the Military has run into plenty of idiots and boobs with college credentials that talk a good game, while the people working for him are the ones that wind up rescuing him by taking care of the Unit and thus making the boob look good.
Andrew Carnegie. Henry Ford. Winston Churchill. Ray Kroch. Ted Turner. Ralph Lauren. Bobby Fischer.
Yeah, wingers, you better come up with a good defense. Wingers.
John D Rockefeller, J Paul Getty. John Mackey.
Think fast wingers the smartie lefties have you cornered.
Paul Zrimsek said...
The other winger defense is that lacking education isn't much of a negative compared to lack of experience, and that anyone who was fool enough to shrug off the latter in 2008 shouldn't be cackling too loudly about the former now.
Freeman Hunt said...
The response to the Walker criticism is that a BA is a certification for someone who has no major accomplishments and is just starting out in the workforce. It is a stand in for excellent work experience and evidence of intelligence. A BA is meaningless when evaluating an adult with a long record of accomplishment and experience that can be used for evaluation.
Those great points are the reality of the world and of Walker's abilities. Most of the posters here are intelligent enough to see that reality.
Unfortunately, the pop culture, easily mislead by Hollywood, and low information voters, will have a huge say in who gets elected.
That is why Walker will need to get advice from Joe Biden on what type of hairplug mistakes not to get, and he will need a quick Social Studies BA, to ward off the shallow thinking that the Democrats mine for cheap and easy votes. That is what makes me sad about the reality of how America votes (Look at the last election)
NotquiteunBuckley,
"There is no such thing as white or black culture. Attempts to combine lots and lots of complex things into one simple concept has driven people insane."
I know that - I see an American culture - but when Paul Ryan is quoting Charles Murray, and nobody ostracizes him, this other thing has got to be exposed.
"It is necessary to simplify and generalize but it can lead to sickening racism from weak minds."
And blacks have to live under it.
"And Crack sorry if I caused you to shut off your comments. It wasn't my intention."
Dude, it wasn't you - you can be harsh but you've always been cool - it's more like the cumulative effect of so much. I get the comments, the emails, people follow me around online, to other sites, just to harass me and prove how non-racial they are to everybody else. (Funny how that works.)
Anyway, it wasn't you, I swear. Thanks for caring, though - it means a lot.
Birkel said...
"Conservatives should've left that one alone,..."
Ah, yes. "We" should have let an innocent man be attacked and convicted in the court of public opinion.
Nice other-izing you are doing there."
Like jr565, I'm getting a little tired of you:
Conservatives were on fine footing, attacking the liberal media for their handling of the case, but then conservatives started attacking grieving blacks - including Trayvon's parents, for Christ's sake - and making monkey noises to boot.
I won't stand for it. As a Republican, as a black man, and as me.
You shamed yourselves and made every accusation of racism you faced real.
Own it.
Michael said...
Dumbasses who did not finish college. Gates. Zuckerberg. Jobs, Dell, Ty Warner, etc
What is your defense you dumb wingers? Drop out billionairres who donT meet the standards of a professor afraid to fly.
3/16/14, 12:48 PM"
All of them are natively brilliant. All of them if memory serves me right than other than Warner and Dell were Ivy undergraduates. Other than Warner all of them came up with a brilliant business model while undergrads and chose to seize the moment. it would have been foolish on their part to have postponed their business model until after graduation. In business timing can be everything and had they waited they may well have missed the moment.
To Elmer Fudd, a winger is either an underestimated, outstanding performer or a berry-picker.
Fuck his school. Scott Walker shouldn't be judged by how he does, with the poverty, in his state?"
Tell us, what precisely is he supposed to do about poverty in his state?
You don't get out much do you Crack? I've been reading about a culture of poverty among White people for the last fifty years.
Watch Justified or True Detective. There is a culture of rural poverty among whites. I have relatives who fit the bill.
Seriously, though, the word "winger" interests me. It derives from "right-wing", which originally (60s? 70s?) meant politics on the far-right. Now "right-wing", like the n-word, means pretty much anyone not on the left. "Winger" has replaced it as a quick term for the people right of center.
Now, I would call most folks on the far left a "socialist" or a "communist", but those words seem to get people riled up. Say "Obama is a socialist" at a cocktail party, and expect to get hipster smack-downs all up in your brie-encrusted croutons, or whatever.
But "winger", that's like the new "Nazi" or "fascist" (even though those are really leftist movements). It is a new term that socialists and communists and slow thinkers use to describe those of us who don't think politically correctly.
...writing too fast. 'Now "right-wing", like the n-word...' should have had something like "has evolved to something entirely different from its original meaning".
The Crack Emcee
My days of giving a fuck about whether you are "getting a little tired" of me are few and far between.
"You shamed yourselves and made every accusation of racism you faced real."
I did no such thing. Quit trying to make me anything but an individual. I share no collective blame for anything. Neither do you. I will not be other-ized by you or anybody else. You are not entitled to my individuality and I will not rent it to you.
I would like to thank Althouse for her writing, the forum, and attracting great comments.
There are all kinds of emotions relating to a college degree and Scott Walker. There are all kinds of arguments to be made and refuted. Having discussions about how it will play out can elevate the discourse or lower it, depending on what the electorate demands and the aims of the arguers.
I don't agree with how the country is operated and votes in many scenarios, and bitching about the media or how stupid the voters are makes me a stupid bitch, which I don't want to be more than is inevitable. Althouse helps arm me with better, more advanced arguments and a deeper understanding of the people who vote so different based on their different-from-me thinking.
That said, who cares if Althouse is "elitist?" That may be true but doesn't effect her argument. If all you can respond with is "you're wrong because you think as an elitist and that's wrong" then I don't believe, even if that were true, any advancement of winning strategy has occurred.
So, I've gone from believing after Nov. 2012 we need Lee Atwater attack attack attack messaging to we need Lee Atwater attack attack attack messaging and to tell voters how special they are and how much we care for each and every single one of the most-precious little darlings.
I think when Professor Althouse says "winger", she means a stupid person on the right. Someone from Kansas, someone who doesn't or can't bother to think through his or her positions.
NotquiteunBuckley, I agree. The discussion helps, especially when people who disagree join in.
Uh, "affect", not "effect". Otherwise you are saying the opposite of what I think you mean.
Oh, dear. I'd better take another no-edit pill. I keep editing myself, which makes writing difficult.
This is why Jindal makes a better candidate.
Lacking education and lacking credentials is different.
Walker should get his degree in wymyms studies.
Ann Althouse said...
The obvious winger defense is that lacking education is a positive because higher education is such bullshit, totally indoctrination.
Fine. Soak in it. Love it. Pleasure yourselves.
But the actual GOP needs a better argument.
Why?
----You can blow it off, as you're trying to do here. I try to blow it off and I get shot by some yahoo, who can't recognize I'm Republican by sight
That was almost comprehensible. You are a one dimensional racist, contributing very little here.
--Walker should get his degree in wymyms studies.
Political jiujitsu.. Walker completes his degree using the U of W reform he introduced.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/walker-unveils-new-online-degree-program-985r0ro-159567555.html
Then Garage could say he introduced the program just to benefit himself.
---but then conservatives started attacking grieving blacks - including Trayvon's parents,
Funny, the way I remember it was Spike Lee endangering total innocent by-standers by publishing their address as Zimmerman's.
And now Roseann Barr getting sued for posting Zimmerman's parents.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/13/zimmerman-parents-sue-roseanne_n_4956460.html
Walker has experience. Barry has credentials. Barry's surrounded himself reportedly with graduates from Oxford.
Why British education?
but when Paul Ryan is quoting Charles Murray, and nobody ostracizes him
What is wrong with quoting Charles Murray? He has done nothing more than state facts. Unpleasant facts, but facts nonetheless.
Question: Why is it illegal for a public school to give a Black (but only Black) child an IQ test in the state of California?
Question: Why is it illegal for a public school to give a Black (but only Black) child an IQ test in the state of California?
Is that true? I thought IQ tests were part of a common battery used to come up with IEPs.
All of this reminds me of the recent dustup over "experts". The enlightened folk (ie. those who spent $100k on a degree in underwater basket weaving) were upset that the "rubes" didn't respect their authority.
But the "rubes" kept pointing out how the "experts" only made things worse.
If you think a college degree makes you intelligent, you're an idiot.
Gahrie said...
but when Paul Ryan is quoting Charles Murray, and nobody ostracizes him
What is wrong with quoting Charles Murray? He has done nothing more than state facts. Unpleasant facts, but facts nonetheless.
That have been so thoroughly discredited even YOU look smart by comparison.
"Herrnstein and Murray prefer to ignore all the advances that have been made in neurobiology, embryology, cognitive psychology, developmental psychology, evolutionary biology and genetics. No serious scientist now speaks of intelligence as a single faculty."
And with that, Gahrie, I am now done with you, too. Because no one who would say that is intelligent enough to talk to, except by children, and even that's dangerous.
I gotta make a list of who's out - jr565, Birkel, Gahrie,...
Freeman Hunt said...
Question: Why is it illegal for a public school to give a Black (but only Black) child an IQ test in the state of California?
Is that true? I thought IQ tests were part of a common battery used to come up with IEPs.
I don't know but, if it is, I'd imagine it's because whites abused either the procedure or the results at some point.
Doesn't sound right to me, though,...
Funny how your "expert" link goes for the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
I found it: Larry P. v. Riles (9th Cir. 1984) 793 F.2d 969. I don't know if the ruling is still in effect.
I've read The Bell Curve. The Bell Curve is a book I own. You, sir, are at least two standard deviations from the average.
Crack. Michael,
Culture is at the root of most poverty in this country and anyone who thinks white poverty is not blamed on culture has never heard or used the words hillbilly, cracker, redneck, clodhopper, yokel, hick, bum, hobo, drunk, or any of the dozens of other words aimed at the white underclass.
"That's crap - it's deprivation - kept in place by a dominant culture that insists everyone must suffer before making it."
So when a hillbilly wins the lottery in W. Va. He and his family are good to go up the ladder? No, the odds are the hillbilly's culture will have the money spent in short order. The dominant culture is indifferent to the behavior of the underclass and "insists" on nothing.
So, what you wrote is actually "crap". Cry baby crap with a coating of nonsense.
Charles Murray's latest book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010 (2012), is largely about how lots of whites are poor because of bad culture.
I made the "out" list.
Hallelujah!
Now, if The Crack Emcee would kindly point to one thing I've written that is demonstrably wrong, I will die a happy Native American man.
If I can get my one square mile first.
for all of the advanced degrees in this administration, no one seems to really know anything other than the post-modernist "my truth" and "my worldview". It's as if they think that the world works just like their theorizing says it should.
Looks like another Crack thread. Glad I didn't look earlier.
please add me to the out list
Michael,
So when a hillbilly wins the lottery in W. Va. He and his family are good to go up the ladder? No, the odds are the hillbilly's culture will have the money spent in short order. The dominant culture is indifferent to the behavior of the underclass and "insists" on nothing.
So, what you wrote is actually "crap". Cry baby crap with a coating of nonsense.
Actually, no, I think you made my point when you said "the dominant culture is indifferent to the behavior of the underclass and "insists" on nothing." All along I have argued AGAINST white indifference. All along I have said it's the dominant culture - not the hillbilly's or blacks - that's the problem here.
And what did I say about making someone suffer before they can make it? Giving them tons of money and then throwing them to the WOLVES sounds about as good a description of that as I can find.
Y'all want to stand against us (why, I don't know) but you don't understand the terrain. That hurts you more than anything. Standing against us, I mean.
You can fix a lack of understanding,...
Crack. Your assertions are incorrect. I did not make your point.
In 1961 i walked into the SNCC office in Memphis and tried to join. I was told it was for blacks only. I got it than and I get it now. You are late to the game, dude. So dont give me all this y'all this and y'all that because it doesnt work with me. Because your tiresome rants against the dominant culture are a waste of your breath. There arent going to be reparations, Crack. And calling people stupid who are people of good will only make you look bad.
Michael said...
Crack. Your assertions are incorrect. I did not make your point.
"In 1961 i walked into the SNCC office in Memphis and tried to join. I was told it was for blacks only. I got it than and I get it now."
All you've "got" is a chip on your shoulder.
"You are late to the game, dude. So dont give me all this y'all this and y'all that because it doesnt work with me."
Dude, you were asked to leave SNCC. That definitely worked on you.
"Your tiresome rants against the dominant culture are a waste of your breath."
And how many times did MLK hear that? Malcolm X? Rosa Parks? Any of the others? You don't understand how this works. 10 people showed up for the White Man's March. The dominant culture can't stand.
"There arent going to be reparations, Crack."
Yawn. Just like there wasn't going to be freedom, or voting, or Civil Rights, or black presidents. If you don't mind, I'll listen to the winners instead.
"And calling people stupid who are people of good will only make you look bad."
With this sick, violent history, your "people of good will" are saying there's something wrong with me, my family, my friends, our culture, and our behavior - and you want to talk about calling people "stupid"?
You're lucky the language only has so many words for it,...
Sometimes you can only sit down.
Crack. You, your family, your culture and your behavior are just fine. Dandy, in fact.
Michael,
"In 1961 i walked into the SNCC office in Memphis and tried to join. I was told it was for blacks only. I got it than and I get it now."
You know what? No, you don't get it:
You wanted to join SNCC - good for you. I mean that. In 1961 that was no small feat and you should be thanked for it.
Sincerely, thank you, Michael. I know I can't convey sincerity convincingly online, but I want you to know I get that.
But you've got to understand something as well:
In 1961 there were probably LOTS of blacks who didn't want your help - not directly anyway. The probably had as much of white folks as they could stand and wondered what made you think - with the history of whites taking over shit - that you could just waltz in and be accepted. (Much like my reception in Republican circles.)
Can't you understand that? And even respect it? Why get mad? You were there, supposedly, to help. Well, giving traumatized people their space is helping. Or would you insist on touching a rape victim when she says not to?
Instead, you seem to have built up an, understandable, anger. But it's not warranted. It's not personal. Except to us as a country, if that makes any sense.
Blacks are going to get justice - I've no doubt of that. We got part of it on our own and we're no longer alone now. Nobody's dropping anything. And you're supposed to be happy about that. Because it means MLK was right:
“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”
ANd that means, no matter what we think as individuals, this country's still on the right track,..
I found it: Larry P. v. Riles (9th Cir. 1984) 793 F.2d 969. I don't know if the ruling is still in effect.
I was at an intial I.E.P. for a Black student last week....the law is still in effect.
Crack. You are a poor reader. I got it. I understood they didnt want or need my help. I walked down the street and joined the NAACP. I still have that card someplace.
If i have any anger regarding the failure of civil rights it is that when the moment came the decision was to take the easy road and that is the road that was taken. And we see what happened. So rave on, dude. You are cool. Your culture is cool. Keep it up.
Michael said...
Crack. You are a poor reader. I got it. I understood they didnt want or need my help. I walked down the street and joined the NAACP. I still have that card someplace.
Jesus, then WTF?
If i have any anger regarding the failure of civil rights it is that when the moment came the decision was to take the easy road and that is the road that was taken.
That's human nature.
And we see what happened.
See? See what?
So rave on, dude. You are cool. Your culture is cool. Keep it up.
O.K., now YOU'RE right - I have NO IDEA what you're talking about,...
Justice means I get my one square mile first. My wife gets hers. And the kids get theirs.
4 square miles of The Crack Emcee -approved justice!
Sweet!
Hmmm. The usual asshole thinks Paul Ryan should be "ostracized" for quoting Charles Murray. It's been less than three days since the same asshole wrote (in the Kitty Genovese thread):
"What's that? Blacks raped your mother? Wonderful!"
When I called him on it, he added:
"Dr Weevil,
I hope blacks rape YOUR mother."
Yet somehow the asshole hasn't even been ostracized here, much less banned.
Culture is at the root of most poverty in this country and anyone who thinks white poverty is not blamed on culture has never heard or used the words hillbilly, cracker, redneck, clodhopper, yokel, hick, bum, hobo, drunk, or any of the dozens of other words aimed at the white underclass.
This, ten thousand times.
Dr Weevil,
I hope blacks rape YOUR mother.
Way to show your ass. Good. I won't waste my time with you anymore. Stupid fucker.
Good luck with your "victim" bullshit.
Culture of white poverty? At a high-school graduation in Appalachia just two years ago the principal (as usual) asked everyone to hold their applause to the end. One girl wearing flipflops under her gown got a huge roar of clapping and hooting from a bunch of bearded and poorly-dressed rednecks in the stands, and the teacher sitting next to me said "Don't complain: she's the first one in her extended family to graduate from high school."
I've known students in Appalachia who were already buying, fixing up, and selling cars and trucks in high school, but couldn't be convinced that staying in school and passing basic English and (especially) math classes would come in handy if they wanted to go into the very lucrative car repair business.
Yet somehow the asshole hasn't even been ostracized here, much less banned.
Althouse holds Crack to a lower standard of conduct because he is black. More commonly known as "the bigotry of low expectations".
17 out of 176 comments by Crack. All about .....(guess what)
On a post regarding Scott Walker post secondary education.
tips for avoiding disapproval and deletion: Read the post and see what topics are raised. Address these topics. Express ideas and make good observations. Don't make any personal remarks and don't go back-and-forth with another commenter (except at the level of responding to ideas about the topic under discussion).
"I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University."
William F. Buckley
Paul Ryan:
"Everybody’s got to get involved. So this is what we talk about when we talk about civil society. If you’re driving from the suburb to the sports arena downtown by these blighted neighborhoods, you can’t just say “I’m paying my taxes, government’s going to fix that.” You need to get involved. You need to get involved yourself, whether through a good mentor program or some religious charity, whatever it is to make a difference, and that’s how we help resuscitate our culture."
Over to you, The Crack Emcee.
Any more lies to tell?
Ann wrote;
"But the actual GOP needs a better argument."
Um, no. The GOP doesn't need any argument. If the next Republican presidential candidate relies upon the GOP to do his work for him, he's already lost. If this is a problem Walker might have (I don't think it will be) then he ought to make the argument.
The commenters here have already done a pretty good job of helping Walker out. The answer is jujitsu, verbal style! Don't answer their stupid questions, attack.
Are you saying there is something wrong with people who don't have a college education?
Are you saying our current President could have somehow been worse if he didn't have his college education?
Be dismissive of their gotcha questions and their stupidity. Don't humor them. Laugh it off and throw it back in their face.
As I've stated several times here, I like Walker so far. But if he can't find his inner Chris Christie, I won't end up voting for him. We need more like Chris Christie (Without his politics) and less like Tim Pawlenty (No more Mr. Nice guys!)
Every parent wishes their child gets a degree and thus entrance to the middle class.
Sure, tell me about how Bill Gates or Steve Jobs didn't have a degree. I can open a phone book of any city and demonstrate how that is the exception not the rule. Go into any service job and find someone who wishes they were not limited by their education to low wage jobs,
No one wishes their own kid follows the Walker path and skip college. I am not sure what Walker can offer in terms of a future generations. It is not like his billion dollar cuts to education are going to inspire young families, no instead it will be the same old white guy demographic which might win elections in WI but does not win nationally.
"garage mahal said...
My guess is he was kicked out of Marquette. It would fit the pattern."
My guess, since you know that Marquette has said not only wasn't kicked out, he was was never even in bad standing socially or academically, is that you are a pathetic liar. It doesn't bother you at all that every position you take starts with a lie.
By the way, Bob Ellison,
When you say "leftist," you reveal yourself as a winger. It's a tell. We leftists don't use that term and have to think about it in between runs from our condos to purchase soft-shell crab with our food stamps.
Mark:
Look at the employment statistics for recent college grads and get back to me. Get thee some facts! Your rhetoric is 20 years out of date. Thanks, Obama economy.
Harrogate:
Yes, Leftists don't call themselves Leftists. But that's because Leftism is responsible for 100-120 million deaths these last 100 years. It's a branding and image problem.
Namely, Leftists actually branded people. And the pictures of mass graves were unpopular.
Would you prefer Collectivist?
Fan of centralized government?
Whore for power.
Go crazy and develop a New Speak name for your Leftism.
Yes, Leftists don't call themselves Leftists. But that's because Leftism is responsible for 100-120 million deaths these last 100 years. It's a branding and image problem.
Cold blooded, Moms Jeans wearing killers!
garage mahal:
That's a terrible talking point.
You do know that Obama already said they're not Mom Jeans, right?
Get back on message, troll.
Bickel, try harder. My generation graduated during that period.
Please show me all the parents aspiring for their kids to skip or drop out of college.
Just in case no one else mentioned it. Harry S Truman ...
Mack:
(We are misspelling names, aren't we?)
I see you ignored my advice. The lifetime earnings after repaying student loans are not unequivocally higher for those attending college. The fact that parents have been relatively slow to absorb this new reality in no way makes it untrue.
Get thee some facts.
The obvious winger defense is that lacking education is a positive because higher education is such bullshit, totally indoctrination.
Actually, a thoroughly valid argument is that we've given the highly credentialed control for decades and things could scarcely be more fucked up than they are now.
Also, I'll believe education is vital when Obama releases his records.
and at Bush for how well he did in school.
...and when it came out that he OUTPERFORMED both people he beat for the Presidency? Crickets from the Left.
I told you guys I don't talk to Birkel anymore, but he did bring up an interesting point:
Paul Ryan claims he wants to help blacks - as he speaks in revealing dog whistles and quotes a racist Charles Murray on Bill Bennett's show. That's the same Bill Bennett who famously said:
“I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could — if that were your sole purpose — you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down.”
But these aren't racists. Just two "inarticulate" white guys chewing the fat.
Let me ask you something:
Why is it some white guys can spend their lives around black people and never say an offensive or insulting word - no matter what he's saying - and you Tea Party types can't?
Just "inarticulate" I guess, huh?
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