So begins a big, conspicuous piece in The Washington Post, which doesn't say anything that's not familiar to those of us here in Wisconsin, including the spin of last paragraph:
If conservative groups succeed in undermining the investigation’s legitimacy, the result could ironically convert the probe from a possible Walker weakness into an unexpected strength, rallying conservatives around a governor perceived to be holding firm against liberal bullies.By the way, 3 years ago today, in the Wisconsin protests, which included teachers who were calling in sick to absent themselves from the classroom, doctors stood on a street corner under a sign that read "I'm a doctor/Need a note?" They were real doctors, putting their names on notes that the protesters could use to excuse their absence from work:
At first I thought it was some sort of comic street theater, but it was, apparently, real doctors, defending what they were doing.... I asked if it was dishonest or unethical, and the answer was that everyone has symptoms, perhaps a migraine, diarrhea, or insomnia. I suggested "activitis."....(The doctors were later reprimanded.)
I spoke to another doctor... and I asked him whether he was worried, with all the cameras here, about his reputation. He said no. But he didn't use a political defense. He didn't say he supported the protesters and wanted to help them. He said people really do have symptoms, and it's a normal thing for doctors to believe patients who report symptoms and to write excuse notes for them. People call doctors all the time to get the required notes, and doctors trust the patients to report their symptoms properly. He ticked off the symptoms I've listed above.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 346 of 346Man, he lawyered up for nothing?
Fucking idiot.
MOJO: " Another thing: when is criminal prosecution supposed to be dependent on the capabilities or cost of the defense? Either Walker committed a crime or he didn't."
Oh no no no.
For the left, the very fact that Walker will defend himself against garage's friends is PROOF, PROOF I tellya of his guilt!!
Oh, sorry.
As Cliff (the "conservative" snort) says "probable" guilt.
Good old Cliff, employing that "probable" guilt line.
What a very very very good concerned "conservative" citizen.
Cliff the "conservative": "Oh, and also he has been terrible at job creation. Separate issue of course, but what's the attraction to a guy who abused taxpayer dollars, cheated in college, and has most the absolute worst job creation record of any current governor? How does that make him a republican star?"
I defy you to parse that and have it not sound like a garage post.
Cliff, you are doubling down on stupid. Walker cheated in college? Evidence? Regarding the emails, I went to Huff Post figuring they would give the dirty details. (I am not going to read the emails as I have better uses of my time.) Huff Post showed nothing incriminating in their article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/19/scott-walker_n_4815704.html
Additionally, Cliff, you provided no links to support your position. Why not?
If Walker is so awful, why the need to try and play “Gotcha!” when there is not evidence to support the charge? Just focus on the evil, awful things he actually has done. Cliff, you are quickly heading towards “ignorable”.
Garage is also displaying the dumb. When the government is investigating possible criminal actions, only a fool does not have a lawyer. When the investigation is this long lasting and large in scope, it gets expensive. You are arguing he should not defend himself with a lawyer, or, being generous to your position, he should not get the best lawyer he can afford. You are criticizing Governor Walker for not being foolish. That is dumb on your part.
Walker's crime is governing while Republican.
In the end, here is why there's no there, there. With THIS kind of pressure on the lefties, you know damn well they'd toss out an indictment - ANY indictment - against Walker to get this monkey of their backs.
Let's go back to the WaPo article!
A sealed judicial opinion issued earlier this year and obtained by the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page has fueled the effort. The document showed that a judge quashed a set of subpoenas in the probe, ruling that prosecutors had failed “to show probable cause that a crime was committed.”
The Journal editorialized that the ruling vindicated their suspicion that the “probe is a political operation intended to shut up Mr. Walker’s allies as he seeks re-election this year.” Prosecutors will likely appeal the ruling.
In its lawsuit, the Wisconsin Club for Growth, one of 29 right-leaning groups that have received subpoenas in the matter, charged that the still-secret probe is “calculated to chill protected speech” and therefore violates the civil rights of the group and its leader Eric O’Keefe.
David Rivkin, a Washington-based lawyer for the Club for Growth, said that already, the investigation has largely halted the group’s political activities in the state. He said the probe has sidelined the anti-tax group from weighing in on behalf of a $500-million tax cut Walker is now advocating, while the secrecy rules inhibit its ability to fully defend itself. Even the group’s federal complaint is heavily redacted in deference to the John Doe rules. “This is worse than anything I’ve ever seen,” Rivkin said of the secrecy. “It’s Kafkaesque. . . . And bad things happen when there is no sunlight.”
The lawsuit also accuses Milwaukee District Attorney John Chisholm, a Democrat who launched both probes, of political bias. It notes, for instance, that there has been no indication that any left-leaning groups have faced similar prosecutor’s scrutiny though unions were active in the election as well.
If conservative groups succeed in undermining the investigation’s legitimacy, the result could ironically convert the probe from a possible Walker weakness into an unexpected strength, rallying conservatives around a governor perceived to be holding firm against liberal bullies.
I'm thinking someone in Milwaukee is getting a little hot under the collar...
How does that nothingburger taste, Bitchtits?
Um, Walker paid 750k because he thought prosecutors had nothing? What planet are you on right now?
Who says Walker is paying?
Bwa...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
[pause]
[breath]
MWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
But yeah. What Pogo-is-dead said.
Pogo- he is neither evil genius or fucking moron, just a possibly corrupt governor who has one of the worst job creation records of any current governor.
Secret routers!
Lamer than Rose Mary Woods' tape recorder as a sinister device, but go with that. Certainly worthy of a stern letter from the AG.
Just you wait. At the end of all this, Scott Walker is gonna be sitting at some big Koch-sponsored retreat on Oak Island, and laughing with Bigfoot, Elvis, D.B. Cooper and Chupacabra about how he got away with it. Whatever it was. FOOLED THEM ALL, I tells ya! And Garage will be there in the bushes taking photos and videos. But they'll all turn out grainy and out of focus and shaky and shit, and nobody will believe him. DAMN YOU, SCOTT WALKERRRRRRRRR!!!!!
"...just a possibly corrupt governor"
Is he just possibly a levitating governor with shiny wings and a magic wand, riding a pony that shits marshmallows?
Is he just possibly a secret agent governor, bedding Russian spies and saving the world from Dr. Evil's plan for destroying Milwaukee?
Just possibly?
He can't be any worse at creating jobs than Obama.
His $10 an hour minimum wage will lose 500,000 jobs.
Woopsy!
Cliff. Really, dude.
No one is buying it. It's just... bad. You're about as authentic as Hamburger Helper.
Leftie logic:
If you lawyer up when defending yourself against an accusation of wrongdoing (Walker), you're obviously guilty and evil, because who needs lawyers when you're innocent?
If you refuse to lawyer up and decide to defend yourself against an accusation of wrongdoing (Steyn), you're obviously so guilty that no one will defend you, therefore stupid and guilty - and don't forget evil.
So, Cliff, you went from being quite certain that Walker broke the law to him now being “just a possibly corrupt governor”. Why the change? And why have you not provided links to the emails to support your original claims of Walker’s illegal activities? I’m starting to think you didn’t actually read them…
Your integrity has been called into question. Time to back up your claims or admit dishonesty.
Garage:$750,000? Cheapskates. Besides, you're admitting that the prosecution has nothing.
"Um, Walker paid 750k because he thought prosecutors had nothing? What planet are you on right now?"
Garage, I know that $750,000 seems like a lot of money to you and that in your world only a guilty person would spend that to defend themselves. But that is because you haven't looked at the statistics on convictions on cases brought by the government against individuals. In Federal cases it is north of 90%. So, in the real world, the world where Walker and I live, it is better to be safe than sorry, better to pony up and hire first rate counsel than it is for the government to come down on you and 1. freeze your assets making it impossible to hire decent counsel, 2 spend limitless amount to pursue you (how much, by the by, has the State of Wisconsin spent? Do you think it could be as much as $750,000? Really?)
Thank you for the link in your comment (2/19/14, 2:55 PM), Mrs. E! Bully for the provost, who looks to have more spine and sense than the state medical board.
I get the sense that Althouse commentors are not the brightest bulbs, but Michael's characterization of not knowing which emails were going to which servers is laughable even for such dim bulbs. It's not the server that is the issue but that the server was created for violating election law. That Walker would send emails and discuss having campaign meetings on taxpayer time is the issue, regardless of what server it was on.
Simply amazing that Althouse and her followers defend such abuse of taxpayer dollars. The Obama excuses are the best - even for such dimness as is found here. Obama might be as or more corrupt but that sure don't change the fact that Walker sure looks guilty of election fraud and taxpayer theft.
Shorter Cliff: Look! BIGFOOT! Well, I mean a big footprint anyway. At least, it's a muddy smudge kind of shaped like a footprint. And you're all rather stupid for not seeing it!
I wonder if all the union members posting on the Journal Sentinel are doing so on their own time?
Cliff, I am communicating with you one on one. You want to lump people together a brush them off, you can certainly do so but it does not reflect well on your character. You said that you read the emails and saw evidence of illegal activity by Governor Walker. I told you that I have not read the emails and asked you to provide a link to the evidence you saw. Where is the link?
I do not believe there is one because, for one, Governor Walker has not had charges filed against him and, two, his critics have not provided evidence of his malfeasance. Where’s the link?
Chance that 'Cliff' has posted here before under a different name: 70%
Chance that he has posted here under four or more different names: 35%
Chance that he's being paid to post here: 50%
Well, that settles it.
Cliff is not just a concern troll.
He's a moronic, no talent, unimaginative, dull, slopeheaded, hairy, smelly, genuine BillyGoatGruff concern troll.
Seriously. He lives under a bridge with a 300 baud dialup and a hoard of twinkies preserved in the skins of his victims.
When he can gather up the wherewithal to make a meaningful sound, he says, "Snarf." This is distinct from his usual attempts at reading his script, while on the phone with his handlers:
"Ok, Cliffy. Snarf! Now... Try 'Conservative!' No. Not 'snarf.' 'Conservative!' They're the ones who make you live under the bridge! Not 'snarf,' dammit! 'Conservative.' Not 'Compuserve,' Cliff. Jeebus. 'Conservative, you FUCKING TROLL MORON!!!' OH, JEEZ, I'm sorry, Cliffy. Really, really sorry. Snarf, snarf, snarf, ok? Ok? Can we get back on track? Hmm?"
Garage, I know that $750,000 seems like a lot of money to you and that in your world only a guilty person would spend that to defend themselves?
Zzzz. Utterly predictable, and so boring. Just admit it - you and most Republicans would vote for Walker if he were behind bars.
Chance that 'Cliff' is a registered Republican who voted for the Republican nominee in at least 3 of the last 4 presidential elections: 3%
I don't know any Republicans who would vote for a candidate who was behind bars unless they thought he was (a) unjustly convicted, or (b) running against someone whose policies would be so disastrous that even a jailbird would be preferable.
On the other hand, I suspect that garage mahal would be glad to see Scott Walker, or me, or most of the other commentators here, go to jail even if he knew for a fact that we were innocent of whatever crime we had been accused of.
All his accusations of kneejerk political bigotry are obvious cases of projection.
Somebody quick get
Cliff back on the reservation and hooked up back into the Borg! No conservative talks different than every other conservative!
Garage, as I previously stated, I would never vote for a Democrat. However, that does not mean I would vote for the Republican. In our last gubernatorial election in Minnesota, the choices were the godawful, self-admitted “worst senator” and long time drug abuser Dayton versus the Republican, Emmer. The Democrats put out a commercial that stated that Emmer was a two time DUI offender. I was shocked as it was an oddly specific charge. So, I looked it up and, sure enough, he was a two time DUI offender. I believe DUI is practically attempted manslaughter. As such, I could not and would not (and didn’t) vote for Emmer. I picked the most interesting name on the ballot, which I believe was the Green Party candidate.
To get to the point, I would not vote for Walker if he were a criminal. However, the critics keep failing to produce anything. Y’all need to provide evidence! And a reasonable explanation as to why there are no actual charges! And to be clear and upfront about my position now, is it substantial or is it on par with speeding? But we are nowhere near this point as nothing has been produced that implicates Walker.
Seriously, this is what you were salivating over? The "t-minus countdown?"
You couldn't even make the front page of MSNBC, and barely generated a hundred comments on the swamp of leftwing idiocy with the kos kidz.
Yawn.
Cliff. Wait, Garage says it is a secret router, now you say its a server.
Garage. If it is so boring then why did you note it? Bizarre.
Cliff is conservative like Althouse is a conservative.
"Just admit it - you and most Republicans would vote for Walker if he were behind bars."
Well, you had your chance to find out, but no bars for Walker, except maybe neighborhood bars.
Cliff. "That Walker would send emails and discuss having campaign meetings on taxpayer time is the issue, regardless of what server it was on."
So if you are running for reelection you cant discuss reelection? Odd, I somehow rhought our recently reelceted president did quite a bit of campaigning and fundraising on "taxpayer time."
And so, you think it is OK to send someone an email and not know what server it is passing through?
Garage: Surely the great State of Wisconsin didn't spend $750,000 in going after Walker did they? How could that be possible? Or was there another zero on the State's costs? Shoot us a link to how little the state has spent on running down this bandito.
Shouldn't the WashPo have to account for the reporter's salary as an in-kind contribution to the DNC?
Seriously, it is amusing to see the liberal establishment preparing the battle-space for the next election. We can expect to see the NYT and WashPo assign dozens of reporters to unearthing whatever dirt they can find on whichever GOP candidate seems to pose any kind of threat to Her Royal Hillary's coronation. If they can't find dirt, they'll manufacture dirt, or look the other way when some liberal activist gives them some manufactured dirt. All to be expected, but thank the Lord for the internet, because it has given the peasants a chance to expose these machinations and to fight back.
However, the critics keep failing to produce anything. Y’all need to provide evidence!
What do you need to render any sort of judgement on Walker. Let's start there. What would it take?
A conviction would be nice, given the prosecutorial effort expended thus far.
Garage: Surely the great State of Wisconsin didn't spend $750,000 in going after Walker did they?
Walker spent 750k. Actually more than that, he just piled another 86k into lawyers. Per his filings. I can tell you that if you're indeed curious about this stuff it's really easy to find on the internet.
That said, given the IRS abuses, I don't believe convictions any more either.
Thanks to Democrats I no longer have faith in our judicial system.
So maybe I need videotape of Walker drowning kittens before I'd believe you.
Damn, that's a pretty low bar Pogo! Good Party man you are.
Garage, I thought I was already clear.
1) Evidence that Governor Walker broke the law. Like a link to an email wherein he is breaking the law.
2) A reasonable explanation as to why charges have not been filed.
Neither one nor two has been satisfied.
"I can tell you that if you're indeed curious about this stuff it's really easy to find on the internet."
Awesome! So show us the easy to find evidence that Governor Walker broke the law!
Garage, I thought I was already clea
So your bar to vote for a Republican candidate rests solely on whether or not they were convicted of a crime?
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Garage, I thought I was already clea
So your bar to vote for a Republican candidate rests solely on whether or not they were convicted of a crime?
2/19/14, 7:17 PM
So... you are stupid? You asked me about Walker. You asked about a very specific issue related to Walker.
I will not vote for a Democrat. That does not mean I will vote for a Republican. Now, where is the evidence of Walker's illegal deeds?
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How many were me?
So... you are stupid? You asked me about Walker. You asked about a very specific issue related to Walker.
And you stated your position. You would need a conviction to not vote for Walker. Great?
Matt: "Now, where is the evidence of Walker's illegal deeds?"
It's right next to Walkers secret routers and Cliff's RNC membership card.
LOL
New garage: Walker hired a lawyer. Why would an innocent person do that?!!!eleventy!
Earlier garage: No the IRS did NOT target conservative groups illegally/improperly!!!eleventy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/lois-lerner-irs-tea-party_n_3288579.html
snip: "Lois G. Lerner, who managed the IRS exempt organizations unit that approved applications for nonprofit status, is in Montreal, according to her attorney, a congressional source said, and has not yet said if she will come to Washington for testimony next week. Lerner has hired William W. Taylor III, the lawyer who represented Dominique Strauss Kahn, the former International Monetary Fund head accused of sexual assault by a New York hotel housekeeper, the source said."
Garage: ............ SECRET ROUTERS AND SERVERS DAMMIT!!!
garage: "So your bar to vote for a Republican candidate rests solely on whether or not they were convicted of a crime?"
Wasn't that good enough for Clinton?
Simply amazing that Althouse and her followers defend such abuse of taxpayer dollars
The only apparent waste of taxpayer dollars was the never-ending investigation turning up jack shit.
What do you need to render any sort of judgement on Walker. Let's start there. What would it take?
Evidence of the crimes you claim were committed would be a solid start.
Matt wrote: "I would not vote for Walker if he were a criminal."
garage mahal insists that that means "You would need a conviction to not vote for Walker."
Anyone who understands basic logic knows that saying that a conviction would suffice to lose Matt's vote does not in any way imply that there is nothing short of a convication that would lose Matt's vote. He never said he would vote for any Republican who's managed to avoid a conviction, rather that he wouldn't vote for any Republican who had been convicted.
So either garage mahal is utterly ignorant of the most basic principles of logic, in which case he should go away and learn how to argue like a grownup and not come back until he has done so, or he's a lying asshole who knows he's misrepresenting Matt's argument and doesn't care, because he's a political bigot, or because he's paid to disrupt this site, or a little of each.
Wasn't that good enough for Clinton?
Hell, the lack of a conviction was proof --- PROOF --- that Republicans were seeking a coup d'etat against Clinton.
Yet, Walker is still guilty in spite of the lack of evidence.
Dr Weevil: "So either garage mahal is utterly ignorant of the most basic principles of logic,.."
Full. Stop.
You've said enough.
Garage, and those like him (Inga), are simply wind up toys barking at whomever their masters point at.
Garage is the Islamic Rage Boy of Wisconsin dems.
LOL
The laws in Wisconsin, they are different for Republicans and Democrats? The investigator, finding no evidence of crimes, can open the secrecy at whim?
In the country of my birth, this is how government works. This is correctly called by the name facism.
I hoped America would be a better place.
Garage: Oddly enough you cannot easily find out how much the state of Wisconsin has spent on investigating Walker. I suppose the citizens of that splendid state are disinterested in that bit of information. But I will take a stab that it is one hell of a lot more than 750K
Low bar, garage?
Then meet it.
I think you meant a high bar, or something.
Or maybe it just didnt make any sense.
duntov283: "The investigator, finding no evidence of crimes, can open the secrecy at whim?"
Well, it's all they have left.
Think of it as the Craig Livingstone scenario.
Craig Livingstone.
Remember him?
A nobody wannabe thug who somehow managed to find his way into a white house personnel security job yet no one, and I mean no one, knew who hired him (per their testimony)
No. One. Could. Say. Who. Hired. Him.
For a white house job.
And this guy ended up with hundreds (HUNDREDS) of Privacy Act protected (LOL, not under Dems it's not!) raw-information FBI background files of Republicans.
The reaction of the left: You already know.
But hey, that Walker guy sure is guilty of something.
He has to be.
No "Privacy Protection for Fascists!"
http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2013/03/taxpayer-money-and-time-spent/
Appears that Milwaukee County doesn't keep track of time spent on cases or of associated expenses.
Michael,
Thank you for the link in your comment.
A three year investigation would probably cost millions.
Hopefully the Maciver (sp?) Institute issues a new request and does the math itself.
had to wait until I was done working, but here is the chart I mentioned earlier. From Gallup, and I must confess I was wrong, Wisconsin didn't make the top 10, but finished in eleventh (11). My mistake.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/167126/north-dakota-leads-job-creation-fifth-straight-year.aspx
Anyone who understands basic logic knows that saying that a conviction would suffice to lose Matt's vote does not in any way imply that there is nothing short of a convication that would lose Matt's vote
Just to cut your usual horseshit to a minimum, that is exactly what I asked Matt. Matt had a chance to answer, I accepted it, and moved on.
Gallup?
bwahahahah
LOL
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Just thought I'd reply on Garage's behalf...save him the time.
I think you meant a high bar, or something.
Or maybe it just didnt make any sense.
It made perfect sense. A low bar means you simply have to stay out of jail to honorably serve.
"even for such dimness as is found here"
You're here. What does that say ?
looks like I didn't miss much while I was gone today.
Though he can't resist pretending that it's "horseshit", garage mahal admits that being refuted by me with arguments he is utterly unable to answer is a "usual" thing for him.
Re: low bar.
I learned that from the Clintons.
It made perfect sense. A low bar means you simply have to stay out of jail to honorably serve.
Wow, you've pretty much described the House AND the Senate to a tee.
I learned that from the Clintons.
So you carry around the worst impulses of both parties? Blech.
Just so it's clear:
A three year, millions-of-dollars-down-the-drain investigation has produced nothing of consequence against a governor with a substantially improved state budget and a decent jobs record?
Yeah, it would take something more than that to turn me from Scott Walker.
Forcing the unions to collect their own dues is an added bonus.
And the fact it makes garage mahal batshit fucking crazy is the cherry on top of my absolutely not giving any shits!
"What do you need to render any sort of judgement on Walker. Let's start there. What would it take?"
-- A clear, defined, verifiable charge/accusation would be a most excellent start.
"Misuse" of taxpayer money isn't that, by the way. At federal levels, we've seen even more blatant misuse of public dollars -- by both parties -- to campaign, that came up nada. So, IF I'm to believe Walker somehow broke the law, I've got to re-evaluate a lot of other people too and seek some sort of understandable level of badness that the accuser will accept.
Otherwise, it's all just political.
Also: If you're accused of a crime, it is your right to have counsel. Implying someone who avails themselves of that right is guilty for doing so is inherently against the very foundational principles of our justice system -- if not morally bankrupt at the core.
It is no more flawed reasoning than saying someone who takes the fifth is clearly guilty. Denying people of their rights by giving them a Morton's Fork is evil.
-- A clear, defined, verifiable charge/accusation would be a most excellent start.
I don't have time for this right now but I promise to honestly debate this w/ you. See here. Play Devil's Advocate and tell me what looks bad.
Cliff,
You keep saying two things.
1) Walker has one of the worst records of job creation
and
2) You're a conservative
I don't think conservative means what you think it means.
As for me, I'd call myself a right wing conservative. I'd also say that it's not the purpose of the government to create jobs.
It's fine if you're a Democrat or a Liberal and would like to make the argument, "You didn't build that!"
But coming from a purported conservative? It's confusing to say the least.
Are you also a pro choice, pro Marijuana smoking, pro gay rights, anti Iraq war, BushChimpHitler, Conservative?
Al Gore used the phone in his office to solicit campaign contributions and garage mahal said nothing. Now he has to be institutionalized. Poor cocksucker!
At 8:44 AM, Garage started posting the count down. He stayed engaged in the discussion all day long. He consistently refused to answer Matthew's simple challenge -- to provide "a clear, defined, verifiable charge/accusation".
Then at 11:22 PM, finally unable to ignore Matthew any further, and over 14 hours after his first post, Garage posted this: "I don't have time for this right now".
Honestly, that's the biggest laugh I've had all day.
Garage. Did you read the lengthy article you linked?
Because it does not say what you think it says.
Because it does not say what you think it says.
Cliff said...
"Pogo- he is neither evil genius or fucking moron, just a possibly corrupt governor who has one of the worst job creation records of any current governor."
Yeah! That Pat Quinn guy is gonna get his ass handed to him. Probably by one of those Democrats masquerading as Republicans.
"The Republican governor spoke to the press only before the records were released, saying he was confident there wouldn't be anything damaging in them beyond what had already led to criminal charges against several former aides and appointees."
-- That's normal. All that looks bad in the first two paragraphs is the horrible reporting.
"That night — in an email previously made public — Walker wrote to Timothy D. Russell, a longtime campaign and county aide."
-- What did he write? I've written to people who turn out to have done bad things.
I just don't get WHAT we're saying Walker did, besides have some people around him doing bad things, and that he may have sent emails to/from a place he didn't know a lot about.
""We cannot afford another story like this one," Walker wrote Russell in one previously disclosed email. "No one can give them any reason to do another story. That means no laptops, no websites, no time away during the work day, etc.""
-- Wait -- So Walker telling people to follow the rules proves... what, exactly?
There might be a smoking gun in there, but that article reads like what everyone here is saying: Walker's aides may have done some shifty things, and his opponents played hard ball, possibly going on fishing expeditions until they got lucky.
garage mahal said...
Walker spent 750k. Actually more than that, he just piled another 86k into lawyers. Per his filings
And then what?
Someone with a high school education and no understanding of how the criminal justice system works actually believes hiring a lawyer indicates guilt.
Shocking.
@Jay, there is a certain mindset endemic to the Democrat party that the accusation all by itself is proof of guilt. So we saw the KKK -- 100% of whom were loyal Democrats -- lynch Black men for allegations that they spoke disrespectfully to a white woman. So we see today campus kangaroo courts where a woman's allegation of unwanted sexual advances are adequate grounds for expulsion. So the man in question can prove he was never anywhere near the little piece of work? She alleged, therefore he is guilty, therefore he must suffer. So it is with Progressive feminism in the 21st century.
Which brings us to garage. What we see is that all the necessary conditions are present -- person belongs to a category he hates (Republican politicians) and there exists an allegation. Consequence: proof (in his mind) of absolute guilt. He is at one with his progenitors in the KKK.
Uh, Cliff?
You really need to work on your concern troll script.
I told you he was strictly Amateur Hour.
And then what?
Run a 500k campaign ad and hope people forget about lawyer fees and embarrassing emails?
The seriousness of the charge is more important than actual evidence of a crime.
It's typical leftist Alinsky horseshit.
Still no ponies found in that pile of horseshit I see.
This is what a wet sticky sock looks like:
"garage mahal said...
And then what?
Run a 500k campaign ad and hope people forget about lawyer fees and embarrassing emails?"
This is what a wet sticky sock looks like:
"garage mahal said...
And then what?
Run a 500k campaign ad and hope people forget about lawyer fees and embarrassing emails?"
Implying someone who avails themselves of that right is guilty for doing so is inherently against the very foundational principles of our justice system -- if not morally bankrupt at the core.
Matt, that's because leftists don't really believe in American style justice. It's all about using the trappings of Government to punish their opponents and rewards their friends. It's about winning, not justice, or fair elections and even less about honesty. Its about power.
That's why when the GOP wins, it must always be portrayed as illegitimate and/or criminal, with never ending investigations that produce nothing. But when THEY win they say "Shut up, we won."
Cliff, I was in law enforcement for 26 years. Your evidence is very weak to nonexistent and your utter reliance on leftists style arguments about "the seriousness of the charge equal his guilt" just screams "lefty troll".
Saying "I'm a conservative" doesn't make your lefty arguments more legitimate. The Community Organizer training your received to pose as a "concerned conservative" assumed, wrongly, that non-leftists are too stupid to notice you parroting the lefty boilerplate.
That's why you remain strictly Amateur Hour.
Come back when charges are actually filed.
You're about as authentic as Hamburger Helper.
Hamburger Helper doesn't pretend to be Cordon Bleue.
You owe HH an apology.
In the country of my birth, this is how government works. This is correctly called by the name fascism.
We have had open fascists here since the 1930s. They call themselves Progressives and always have.
Still waiting for the pony. But all I get is horseshit.
This is what a wet sticky sock looks like:
Hehe. No press availability today. Unintimidated.
We did, however, get a fine vortex going on here.
Hehe. No press availability today. Unintimidated.
More horseshit, still no pony.
Ted,
That;s because there is nothing to see here
"garage mahal said...
Hehe. No press availability today. Unintimidated."
You should go down to the Capitol and have a circle jerk with the Solidarity Singers! You should write a song. Call it "Victory". I mean Walker is still governor. And will be re-elected. And public employees still have to pay into their pension, and into their healthcare, and have virtually no collective bargaining rights, but Walker isn't talking to the press on Thursday, February 20, 2014!
"What does lameness look like? This what lameness looks like!"
At least Christie is taking it like a man. Little Unintimidated Scotty hiding like a little girl. Tsk tsk.
garage mahal said...
Run a 500k campaign ad and hope people forget about lawyer fees and embarrassing emails?
You had a DAY and a HALF to produce your evidence of Walker's wrongdoing and all you have to show for it is that he hired a lawyer to defend himself against corrupt DemoCRAT prosecutors who were slapped down by a judge for their worthless subpoenas and he -- horrors! v--spent money on his reelection campaign.
Maybe you really are as stupid as most people here say, but I've always thought you had enough gray matter to realize that the two conditions you postulate -- mind you, after a day and a half of furious research and breathless countdown -- are common, in fact every Democrat politician eventually does both of those two things: hires defense attorneys and runs ads to be elected. Therefore under garagelogic we can surmise that all politicians are crooks.
We don't need you for that. We have Cookie to tell us that. And we don't need him either because all it proves is that Fen's Law is like gravity: irrefutable and obvious to every sentient being.
You had a DAY and a HALF to produce your evidence of Walker's wrongdoing
I didn't have to do a fucking thing. The emails are speaking for themselves all around the internet.
Yes they are. I particularly like Walker's email telling his staff to stick to official business and leave the campaign work for outside office hours. It also tells me you are more insane than the prosecutors who have ruined their careers by acting like rabid dogs instead of agents of the executive branch.
Garage you have singlehandedly succeeded in converting bystanders into Walker fans. Thanks!
So, the Clinton defense fund was evidence that Clinton did everything he was accused of?
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/defense.fund/index.html?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
Intriguing.
The emails are speaking for themselves all around the internet.
Yes. And they're saying "This much was spent investigating THIS? Really?"
Nothing in the new batch of emails incriminates Walker in any way. But we already knew that: if there was evidence of criminal activity, prosecutors would have filed charges. Instead, they shut down that probe without charges against the governor.
Now they seem intent on trying to score points in the court of public opinion that they didn't dare try in a court of law. And Democrats have stripped even the thin of veneer of non-partisanship from the probe by going all-in to exploit it for partisan advantage.
garage mahal said...
You had a DAY and a HALF to produce your evidence of Walker's wrongdoing
I didn't have to do a fucking thing. The emails are speaking for themselves all around the internet
No YOU are the one who said with baited breath that we would all see Walker's crimes revealed in 3...2..1 and then POOF! A nothingburger, a none-event a twelve-minute countdown to 12 hours of prevaricating followed by twelve hours of squirrel-spotting interrupted only by increasingly frenetic blamestorming while you allege that (1) hiring a lawyer is prima facie evidence of guilt and (2) somehow suddenly everyone using email should be aware of how the packets are routed through various servers and that not knowing was some kind of thoughtcrime, and finally that (3) spending money getting reelected is really really shady (although not criminal in your mind, I think).
So YOU called your shot and YOU failed to nail the target. Just. Like. The. Whole. John. Doe. Fiasco. Itself.
POOF!
So what laws did Walker break with this email system? Sounds like a fanatical left-wing prosecutor is overstepping bounds. Well, Walker was never a real Presidential candidate for 2016. I hope he wins re-election this November.
I hate to step in and disagree with Alex, not because I always agree but because I enjoy his comments so much. Would that I were so pithy.
But, I'm thinking if Walker can elicit Palin-level left-wing paranoia and overreach like THIS, then I might line up early to vote for Walker in a primary a couple years down the road. Hell we might see Garage go completely Sullivan on us by then!
Mike - garage has been batshit crazy for years now. He can't get any worse. Scott Walker is his Moby Dick.
Hell we might see Garage go completely Sullivan on us by then!
Sarah Palin's uterus made Sullivan hysterical in 2008. Women don't appear to excite garage.
Also, the Walker reelection itself will be a test of garage's WDS -- whether he can self-medicate or will need an intervention.
So YOU called your shot and YOU failed to nail the target. Just. Like. The. Whole. John. Doe. Fiasco. Itself.
Your frantic need to defend Walker fuels me. Honestly. I haven't had this much fun in a long time. Walker is going to be dogged with questions why the emails show he was actively involved with the illegal computer network that was set up in his office. He can no longer credibly deny any knowledge. He will be asked why he tried to keep a lawsuit secret related to a woman who starved to death in a county supervised facility. He will be asked why so many in inner circle sent vile and racist emails around. Pass the popcorn, as they say.
Hey garagelogic I'm not DEFENDING Walker I'm CONDEMNING you for your obsession with him.
I repeat:
So YOU called your shot and YOU failed to nail the target. Just. Like. The. Whole. John. Doe. Fiasco. Itself.
Keep fucking that chicken Mike.
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Um, Walker paid 750k because he thought prosecutors had nothing? What planet are you on right now?"
Where is the limit? For example, if Obama spends millions of dollars to make no sure that no one has access to his university records, and prosecutes people who try to get access to his records, does it mean that his university records are abysmal?
How about Lerner, she refused to testify about IRS corruption. Do we all agree that she is a criminal?
Garage, who decided that server was illegal? Anyone gone to jail for it?
garage mahal said...
Keep fucking that chicken Mike.
She's a chick not a chicken. You should try it sometime.
Or was that a "chicken choking" reference to your earlier activities that failed to coalesce into a coherent retort?
My personal favorite from the garagelogic archives is the "I don't have time to address that" from earlier today.
PRICEless! Comedy gold, Man. Yeah, that's the ticket. "I'd love to nail the governor for his crimes against humanity but, y'know, I don't really have time to deal with it after spending 21 fucking hours combing through emails to get bupkis."
Gets me every time, G Man. Geez my sides hurt.
It is no longer a router or funnier still a server. It is now an entire "illegal computer network."
You cannot make up stuff this stupid, this crazed, this lunatic. It is truly outstanding. Wisconsin. On Wisconsin. Where the prosecutors don't count the hours or the costs!!!
It is no longer a router or funnier still a server. It is now an entire "illegal computer network."
It produced a lot of great material. All free bad publicity. What's not to like?
Even Reince Penis shows up in the emails.
With plenty of free bad publicity for out-of-control prosecutions for political vendettas. Yeah, that worked out well for everyone involved. Nice to know if politicians have R after their name they can be hunted for sport, even after judges tell the wacko county prosecutors to chill out. Lotsa respect for the law you show there garagelogic!
2 words, garage: Graeme Zielinski.
Those wacky Republican DA's hunting Walker for sport :(
I wonder how many of those emails have been "unsealed" by now? Three long years of sitting on these and no indictment.
I would spend less time muttering about Walker and more time in finding competent prosecutors if the evidence is right there in front of our faces with all the router traces still on them. Or illegal computer network traces. Or server traces. Or some damn thing. Because he got emails from them! Has anyone thought to dust his inbox?
What's the hurry? It took them a long time to get Blago.
Hilarious. Dude, they have quit. They have given up. But maybe you could round up the drum circle and have a go at revving it up.
Walker & Co just filed a 3rd lawsuit trying to stop John Doe II. Anonymously. They really dont want this one going ahead any further. In wingnut land that proves innocence I suppose. Good times.
You can't have a John Doe II when now we all know the target is Scott Walker.
Pitiful, Garagelogic.
You used to have some game and kept things interesting. Now you just do the sock-puppet imitation Garage shtick. Oh well. You're out of good material, the prosecutor is out of plausible reasons to keep his geek show going, and I'm heading for the exit sign soon too. See ya around Dickhead!
Michael: I couldn't bail on this fascinating study in turdmindedness without complimenting you on the post @ 3:12.
Yes they should definitely dust his inbox and if it was me -- instead of some richard-cranium-type DA dude -- I would start by dumping the spam filter into a fine mesh screen (like a Tyler 62 maybe) and see if any unopened secret emails are stuck in the muck there. Some of the secret routers also have custom firewall set-ups that can overheat and trap sticky messages in there. Clean it ALL out that way no stone has gone unturded.
That's no typo.
Get some rest Mike, you're making even less sense than you were earlier. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
Heheh, garage. Reince Penis. Yes this is fun, the madder they get the funnier it is.:)
Quick, Inga, what server do you use?
Michael, it's a secret.
Inga: No, the investigations are secret, the servers are known. Or is it the routers? The cost of investigation is certainly secret.
PRICEless! Comedy gold, Man. Yeah, that's the ticket. "I'd love to nail the governor for his crimes against humanity but, y'know, I don't really have time to deal with it after spending 21 fucking hours combing through emails to get bupkis."
OK, now MY sides hurt!!
The Vortex even drew in Instapundit.
48 hours later and still no pony. I was really hoping for a pony, with all the horseshit still around.
There's no better example of living in a political bubble than the liberals in this thread hyperventilating about these e-mails. The general public is going to give this 30 seconds of attention (at most) and come away with a big yawn. No charges against Walker. Nothing there of substance or even, of interest.
By Monday, the left will have exhausted itself on this topic and it will be forgotten with nothing new to say.
And let's be honest about this: if what Walker is alleged to have done is such a huge crime against humanity and the public, then in a fair world 90% of public union employees in Wisconsin (include public school teachers) should have been charged and suspended during the recall.
But, by all means, live in your bubble. It's so comforting there, I'm sure.
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