July 4, 2013

"I had decided that I would go to my grave never telling anyone what I had done."

"Recently, a friend became pregnant after a one-night stand. Everyone assumes that was an accident, but she confided in me that she had been seeking out sex with the purpose of getting pregnant. I was so relieved to meet someone else who planned an 'accidental' pregnancy that it made me wonder if I should open up about my secret."

From a letter to the advice columnist Prudie. I haven't yet read Prudie's answer. I just want to say that this woman imagines that she's found her counterpart in this other woman, but she hasn't. The letter-writer deceived a man with whom she had a serious relationship, letting him think she was still on contraceptive pills, and she's clung to her secret for many years, including from the man she married. She's kept the old boyfriend and the husband in the dark even as she's involved both of them in the upbringing of the child. That's years of hardcore deceit. This other lady is sleeping around with men she doesn't seem to care much about. And who knows what she told them about birth control? And she was apparently ready to blab about it as soon as the pregnancy happened. She's out and proud. It's way too late to emulate her. She's nothing like you.

Now I've read Prudie's answer. Excerpt: "There’s nothing to be gained by telling your husband and making him uneasy about your essential honesty." Essential honesty? The letter-writer's only indication of honesty (in everything but the central lie of her life) was "I'm mentally stable, and I have a pretty unremarkable suburban life." As if unremarkable suburbanites are honest.

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jr565 said...

Man, you didn't even have the vigor to push the shift key down for that observation.

Shiftless betaism personified.

Wow, going after people,for typos and then saying its a sign that the typer isn't a man because of it.
Shiftless, catty, emasculating, femi-nazi bitchism personified.

Bruce Hayden said...

I will agree with Ann here that homosexuality is really irrelevant here, except from my point of view for Lesbians who try to raise children together without a father figure e securely in their lives. Guess what - their outcomes apparently do even worse statistically than for straight women having their children out of wedlock.

bagoh20 said...

"They have careers, they work, they earn their own money."

They will have to do better than just be perfumed men to get my junk juice(TM).

dreams said...

"The proof of our superior kindness and compassion is that we give it to you freely anyway. We're givers, while you take it, keep it, control it, and then charge us for it. It's really a scam."

Some people are givers and some people are takers, as in big government benefits. Wheres my check?

jr565 said...

"Man, you didn't even have the vigor to push the shift key down for that observation.

Shiftless betaism personified."

Wow, going after people,for typos and then saying its a sign that the typer isn't a man because of it.

Shiftless, catty, emasculating, femi-nazi bitchism personified.


Nomennovum said...

The evidence of Ann and Meade's drinking and posting isn't any particular comment, its the frequency and content of the comments, the day (7/4), and the time of the day.

I know I'm drinking.

The Crack Emcee said...

Meade,

"We are not, after all, good people."

Duly noted.

Why anybody uses your portal, knowing that, is beyond me.

"Wow, going after people,for typos and then saying its a sign that the typer isn't a man because of it.
Shiftless, catty, emasculating, femi-nazi bitchism personified."


Don't make me repeat myself,...

The Crack Emcee said...

"females can be autonomous without getting freebies from Uncle Sam. They have careers, they work, they earn their own money."

And they have a legal framework in place that tells them they can abandon all that, at a whim, and shake down anybody they please.

Why do women think we forget?

Rabel said...

The Battle of the Sexes rages at Althouse on the Fourth of July. Much anger in the air, but I don't see any problems here that a little group sex wouldn't solve. Masks and an open bar would be a big plus.

I'll be making a French Exit when Titus arrives. Nothing personal, bro. Just worried that I wouldn't measure up.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The disconnect and double standard and hypocrisy is incredible.

Ann says to the men. "If you don't want her to have a child, don't have sex with her." Keep it in your pants you beta losers and pay up for the rest of your life. Suffer the consequences.

Would she say to the women: "If you don't want to have a child, don't have sex with HIM." Suffer the consequences of your own actions?

No. I can't imagine that statement. It is ok for the woman to decide to trick the man into being a father or accidentally to get pregnant and then decide all on her own, without any input from the "sperm donor" to kill the baby.

Seems the beta loser men are not given any choices other than STFU loser and don't have sex. The woman on the other hand has all the choices.

The man must prove he is worthy. The woman....no responsibilities. When is it EVER the woman's fault?

Sucks to be a beta guy, I guess. The double standard is breathtaking.

dreams said...

Barefoot and pregnant, we need to get back to the good old days.

jr565 said...

Althouse wrote:
It's about you, and you ought to think about why you keep dragging gay people into the discussion.


Generally, when you call someone a beta you are essentially calling them a fag. A weak, effeminate girly man.

Mark Trade said...

This is going to make my stomach turn the rest of the day.

Meade said...

Hey, guys, carry on without us for awhile. We're so drunk that we need to go take a nap (wink wink nod nod) and then we'll probably get even more drunk before we head out for a few hours of driving, paddleboarding, and biking. Hope we don't puke.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

And alphas don't have to spel right, use good grammar, or ..., hell we don't have to do anything. Now make me a sandwich.

Sammich.

If you are going to be alpha....do it right. Sandwich is much to beta.

;-P

The Crack Emcee said...

The double standard is breathtaking.

Only a lawyer - or someone teaching the youth of America - can do that.

dreams said...

And even if they can prove to the court they are not the father, they are told to shut up and stop whining.

The Crack Emcee said...

Meade,

Hey, guys, carry on without us for awhile.

Aww, just when you two were making so much sense,...

Gahrie said...

But you guys wanted to talk about that terrrrrible problem of female autonomy once again.

But it's not autonomy. The decision she is making has an impact on at least one other person, and potentially two. If she gives birth and has a child, her decision potentially effects the millions who may support her and her child.

Saint Croix said...

If you don't want her to have a child, don't have sex with her.

I think this is right, by the way. I would just apply this standard to men and women. We are both responsible for the babies we create.

And it's not just for men.

Of course it's just for men. As Planned Parenthood v. Danforth makes clear, men can be stripped of fatherhood against our will. We can also be made fathers against our will.

Jeez. You are blinded by your own anger and sense of victimhood.

I don't think women have victimized me at all. I think the legal authorities have diminished fatherhood in a really stupid way. But whatever complaints we have is nothing compared to all the infanticides you feminists are doing.

You want respect for your manhood? Try reading with comprehension, thinking rationally, not jumping to conclusion that glaringly show what you are afraid of, and not being so afraid of independent women.

Apparently my comment at 1:01 left a mark.

Bruce Hayden said...

Sure Inga, women can support themselves and their children. But you still have the consequences of raising those children without a father to take into account, such as their significantly much higher probability of committing crimes and ending up in prison for the boys and higher drug use, failure to graduate from high school, have kids out of wedlock, etc. for the girls. The latter meaning that while this generation of unwed mothers may do just fine financially raising their children, their daughters are much less likely to be able to do so (and many of their sons, in prison, are likely to be the absentee fathers of this next generation).

Gahrie said...

That must really bug you, huh? That women are human beings.

No, what bugs me is that babies are human, and you think it is perfectly fine for a woman to murder them or use them to coerce wealth from a man or society, for her own convience.

bagoh20 said...

"Masks and an open bar would be a big plus."

That would be fun for an Althouse blog get together, if some of us didn't put up our real photos here. We could just talk and see if people could guess who is who. As I've said before, my photo is stolen from a 70's gay porn site, and I still think Crack is actually a tiny Japanese girl who runs a holistic healing center.

bagoh20 said...

"If you don't want her to have a child, don't have sex with her."

Of course this would mean a near end to sex as we know it today.

They have this wonderful procedure now called vasectomy. That's the smart alpha in a modern world of feminism. Reproduction is for betas kept on a chain.

Freeman Hunt said...

I think the women-haters should get together with the man-haters and have a People Are Horrible! convention. There could be yelling and yelling and then... who knows...

The Crack Emcee said...

You want respect for your manhood? Try reading with comprehension, thinking rationally, not jumping to conclusion that glaringly show what you are afraid of, and not being so afraid of independent women.

No mention of feelings being the arbiter of truth? What kind of nut job are you?

As David Bowie said, "Is there a woman I can sock in the jaw?"

After she woke up - if she EVER woke up - I'd ask her if she still thought men were "afraid" of her.

Then I'd howl with laughter at the absurdity of it all,...

William said...

Everyone is on their own thread here. If some topics make men sound beta, those same topics make women sound like Lady MacBeth.....Anyway you slice it, it's still baloney or hide the salami depending upon how the night and the mood progress.

The Crack Emcee said...

bagoh20,

I still think Crack is actually a tiny Japanese girl who runs a holistic healing center.

It's yoga, fool, YOGA,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Women criticizing men are like America's critics:

They KNOW we can crush them, but are too good to do so, so they go off at the mouth, never giving us credit for letting them live.

Then they wonder why we resent them,..

Dante said...

If you want her to have your child, show your worthiness. If you don't want her to have a child, don't have sex with her.

Ann argues for the female role in "As good as it gets:"

Receptionist: "How do you write women so well?"

Melvin: "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."

Anonymous said...

I think it was good that women complained about domestic violence and equal pay. I think it's good that gays and their supporters complain about same-sex marriage.

And I think it's good that men complain about the current inequities around fatherhood.

Why not?

How else are issues ever addressed?

Dante said...

Aww, just when you two were making so much sense,...

Isn't Meade a kept man? I suppose he can't get too out of line or the alpha in the marriage will smash him down.

Nomennovum said...

And I think it's good that men complain about the current inequities around fatherhood.

Why not?


Because it's beta whining, beta.

The Crack Emcee said...

The way I see it, if you don't do everything in your power to make a woman cry, you'll eventually get an Ann calling you "beta" (A funny put-down, coming from someone with Meade,...).

Domination - just the way they want it,...

dreams said...

"I think the women-haters should get together with the man-haters and have a People Are Horrible! convention. There could be yelling and yelling and then... who knows..."

Make up sex?

--G. said...

Althouse writes: "Watch where you put that stuff, because it will be out of your control."

Good Lord. Most mornings I can't even find my keys. Hello, celibacy.

--G. said...

Althouse writes: "Watch where you put that stuff, because it will be out of your control."

Good Lord. Most mornings I can't even find my keys. Hello, celibacy.

DADvocate said...

Guess what, females can be autonomous without getting freebies from Uncle Sam.

Yeah. That's why we have Title IX, the VAWA, the gender aspect of affirmative action, feminists fight laws establishing default shared custody, etc, etc.

Anonymous said...

Funny that in a big War Between the Sexes discussion Althouse went for the balls literally and metaphorically, again and again.

There's a surprise.

Gahrie said...

Guess what, females can be autonomous without getting freebies from Uncle Sam.

...they just don't want to.

dreams said...

She hit below the belt but thats what they do.

Chip Ahoy said...

Stop being so cross.

It's totally harshing my mellow all the way over here on this our national holiday, now stop it ))whap(( See what you did? Made me come out of character again, that's what.

For I am in a very good mood, as I recall the episode last night as the woman I met just moments before said, "Here, hold this," and handed me her wine glass with ice in it. And I stood behind her as she fumbled with her keys, she needed the non-regular key, not the regular key, and thought, "God, I hate wine, but," and vocalized the rest, "Man, this wine cooler sure looks delicious!" She opened the door, we entered and BLAM-O!!! KaPOW!!!

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The Crack Emcee said...

wwww,

Your advice fell apart at #1. There's just no way to tell anymore. I've got two friends I trust, both male, and I've known them for two and three decades, respectively.

Almost everyone else usually reveals their unsuitability, even for friendship, within minutes of meeting them.

Being "a good judge of character" does NOT help,...

wwww said...
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The Crack Emcee said...

Never said you did. I said you're wrong:

When women say things like "I had decided that I would go to my grave never telling anyone what I had done" it's impossible. You have NO IDEA what they will do under this feminist regime. They see a choice - and it extends past any obligations they make to a man - backed and encouraged by the government. Do they make it today, or after they can take all you've worked for? There's simply no way to know.

So, since Ann told us we can't control our sperm, we put it on their faces - where we can be assured they wipe it away in front of us.

Feminism is actually kind of cool in that way,..

Anonymous said...

@baghoh and @crack

The satirical IFC series "Portlandia" captures the two edged sword aspect of of feminist lesbian relationships in some of their skits.

And it's just a good take on college towns in general - more along the lines of light chortles than hardcore laughs, but every once in a while...

Anonymous said...

All this Talk of "Beta this, "Beta" that -- I've Been Minding My Own Business in the Kafka Thread, Not Causing Anyone Trouble...

wwww said...
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Anonymous said...

@DustBunnyQueen asks when is it ever the woman's fault?

You're blithely overlooking the first 10000 years of recorded human existence.

The Crack Emcee said...

SOJO,

@baghoh and @crack

The satirical IFC series "Portlandia" captures the two edged sword aspect of of feminist lesbian relationships in some of their skits.

And it's just a good take on college towns in general - more along the lines of light chortles than hardcore laughs, but every once in a while...


Yeah, Portladia's kinda funny, but it's not portraying "college towns in general" as this article makes clear.

Anonymous said...

Rabel said...
"...but I don't see any problems here that a little group sex wouldn't solve. Masks and an open bar would be a big plus."

1. Make Sure You Have a Big Enough Tarp. You Will Thank Me Afterwards.

2. Accept the Fact that -- in Group Sex of Six People or More -- Someone, At Some Point, Will Be Accidentally Kicked in the Nuts.

3. Sometimes this is Not Accidental.

4. Clean Towels are a Plus.

5. No Peanut Butter, Honey or Whipped Cream Unless in the Designated Area.

6. There Must Be One Woman Present on the Tarp at All Times: no Ghosting En Masse.

7. Urination Is Only Allowed in the Bathroom, Perverts.

8. Name Badges Help. Simply saying "Hey You, That is an Off-Limits Area" in a Roomful of Naked People May Not Work as Intended.

9. Make Sure and Have a Safe Word to Signal a Time Out.

10. There is to Be No Sex in the Time-Out Room.

11. If You are in the Time-Out Room and Oily Please Sit Only on the Metal Folding Chairs, not the Proper Furniture. No Rorschach Tests in the Upholstery, Thank You.


Anonymous said...

12. Do Not Exceed the 3-to-1 Ratio. It is Not All About You.

13. Ejaculate Must Be Directed at a Consenting Subject: No Spraying of the Crowd. Please.

14. No Talk of Politics on the Tarp, Even if it is Role Play.

15. Partners Must Be Willing: No Surprise Visits to Port are Allowed.

Rabel said...

Beta,

I'm always willing to listen to the voice of experience. Will the tarp be reusable? The good ones are expensive.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Wow, I expect the post menopausal whining out of Althouse, but seeing Meade get all touchy is a bit of a change of pace. This is much more interesting since Althouse's eggs have long ago dried up and she will not be having any more children, gay or otherwise. The Meade hissy fit intrigues me though.

Crack Emcee must have really struck a nerve there eh Meade? What was it? The abandonment line? Perhaps some canoodling pre divorce finalization?

very interesting.

Has Crack Emcee uncovered something, gasp!, Ugly?

David said...

Althouse sez:

If you want her to have your child, show your worthiness. If you don't want her to have a child, don't have sex with her.

It's pretty simple. If you want to make it more complicated, don't whine about it.


This would piss off the college girls and othr women who are enamored of "hooking up."

Men on Strike indeed.

The world in which men and women have sex only with people they wish to procreate with is more than gone, it never was.

Idealistic advice, but hardly practical.

fivewheels said...

"afraid of independent women"

Independent? For fuck's sake, if only they were independent ...

fivewheels said...

Ann, you lack empathy here. That letter contains a story that strikes a nerve.

I might be persuaded to agree that there are some bad attitudes on display here. The difference is: Most women blithely assume that the men who have bad attitudes are bad people. Like it comes from nowhere. Most men (and rare women) who see the world as it is understand that the men who have bad attitudes have them for a reason.

Even if I don't fully agree with those men, I won't join in shaming them. And let's be honest, Ann, your behavior here is called "victim-blaming" in other contexts. You're telling the person who had a horrible thing done unto them, "Well, you should have avoided the situation."

Even if that's good advice, and it is, we still condemn the perpetrator. We don't call it whining. Or at least some of us do -- even if the perp is a woman.

Ann Althouse said...

"Generally, when you call someone a beta you are essentially calling them a fag. A weak, effeminate girly man."

Not in my experience. I don't honk about gay men that way, so don't project that idea onto me. That's offensive to gay men AND to women. To say a man is being weak, whiny, and ineffectual is not to say he's like a gay man and not to say he's like a woman. Don't paraphrase me like that. That's your idea, not mine.

Shouting Thomas said...

Not in my experience. I don't honk about gay men that way, so don't project that idea onto me. That's offensive to gay men AND to women. To say a man is being weak, whiny, and ineffectual is not to say he's like a gay man and not to say he's like a woman. Don't paraphrase me like that. That's your idea, not mine.

Althouse, why are you always doing this blowhard routine about your matronly concern for gays? Why in the fuck are you so busy telling the rest of us what we're supposed to think of gays?

It's kinda dumb. What is this burr up your ass?

Ann Althouse said...

I'm LOL-ing about "honk" in my last comment.

I'm one-finger typing on iPad and that was an autocorrect of "talk."

Ann Althouse said...

Honk if you like...

Shouting Thomas said...

Althouse, you're just a ghastly sanctimonious nag and blowhard on this gay shit.

Is there any way you can put a plug in it?

I'm embarrassed for you.

Anonymous said...

Althouse goes right the heart of concerns in this topic. First, she chastises jr565 for lack of proper shift-key usage and now this PC lecture about using the G word.

That's telling him!

Stick a fork in JR -- he's done.

The Crack Emcee said...

fivewheels,

Ann, you lack empathy here. That letter contains a story that strikes a nerve.

Femionists don't have empathy, they have an agenda - which they hope a man will slap down one day. If they don't, you hear this crap. They call it "being a human being" rather than an insane harpy.

I might be persuaded to agree that there are some bad attitudes on display here. The difference is: Most women blithely assume that the men who have bad attitudes are bad people. Like it comes from nowhere. Most men (and rare women) who see the world as it is understand that the men who have bad attitudes have them for a reason.

Yeah, Inga already played that card, immediately identifying herself as an idiot - again. Nobody payed it any mind. It's Inga. As unimportant as she is uninformed.

If you can get angry that women lie and cheat, it's no wonder that women lie and cheat.

I mean, just classic female "logic"...

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann Althouse,

"Generally, when you call someone a beta you are essentially calling them a fag. A weak, effeminate girly man."

Not in my experience. I don't honk about gay men that way, so don't project that idea onto me.

No, don't put that on her. I'm surprised she didn't run to the Urban Dictionary, or some shit, to avoid acknowledging what SHE'S SAYING and try to deflect to what it originally meant or something.

Ann may be a freak, but she knows what she's doing:

I have rarely encountered someone who embodies the word "disingenuous" as much as she.

Look it up,...

jr565 said...

Althouse wrote:

Not in my experience. I don't honk about gay men that way, so don't project that idea onto me. That's offensive to gay men AND to women. To say a man is being weak, whiny, and ineffectual is not to say he's like a gay man and not to say he's like a woman. Don't paraphrase me like that. That's your idea, not mine

to a guy, calling another guy a beta is like calling him a fag or a metrosexual. And note calling a dude a fag doesn't necessarily mean fag (as in homosexual). It means "weak".

The Crack Emcee said...

Ann Althouse,

I'm one-finger typing on iPad and that was an autocorrect of "talk."

The same mistake a man made, that you used earlier to call him a "beta".

Jesus, Ann, you are so fucked up in the head it's tragic,...

The Crack Emcee said...

I mean, seriously:

Who can't keep their story straight for a fucking thread?

You've only posted, like, 20 times and already contradicted yourself.

I'm almost 100% positive, without that feminist nonsense, you never would've been a lawyer because you just don't have the mind for it.

Your lack of integrity is par for the course, but it's obvious you can't do the heavy lifting.

You're a carpetbagger of intelligence,...

Anonymous said...

That letter contains a story that strikes a nerve.

A nerve with men, when a wife betrays her husband in an elemental way by unilaterally deciding to try for pregnancy by abandoning birth control without consulting him. This is basic, basic life-changing stuff and the man's right-to-choose matters not a whit.

No one should be surprised that this story reminds men of the myriad ways that the current system is stacked against men in favor of women.

So, not surprisingly, men complain. But somehow Althouse is surprised and notes that the women are not complaining.

Why would they? If Althouse started a "Men leave the toilet seat up" thread, I'm sure she would hear from several women, but probably no complaints from men.

Then Althouse sets off belittling men sexually. Ugly stuff.

Althouse can certainly be cruel, but she's nowhere near "neutrality."

Nomennovum said...

It doesn't matter whether Ann meant "beta" male to be synonymous with gay or not. She is quibbling over semantics and avoiding the issue. She clearly intended it to be an insult, a synonym for "loser." By doing so, however, she insulted the vast majority of men by calling all non-alphas losers. Her intent was to shut those she saw as mean anti-women whiners the hell up. This is a tried–and-true tactic of feminists, who, like many women, pretend to prefer beta men to those manly alphas, but in reality despise betas much more than any alpha male does. Watch your step, Meade.

DADvocate said...

Crack. It's good to see you back. I've enjoyed your comments today although I think it's wasted energy regarding Ann. It turns out, despite brief forays into rationality, she rationalizes rather than thinking rationally.

Of course, I'm just whining, much like those gays who want SSM legal everywhwere.

rcocean said...

"Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence."

Althouse would approve.

rcocean said...

Alpha Males wear Condoms.

They don't let women use their sperm without permission.

Nichevo said...

Nonsense RC, top dogs spread their seed. It is only modern law that makes this problematic because one can be found and bothered for money and such. Even so if you are sufficiently top dog you can afford this. Jack Nicholson evidently has a dozen love-children, and can afford them, as do some b-ball stars.

Let althouse define alpha behavior in other than negatives. It will be illuminating.

Crack, if she was 20 or 40 years younger and you met her today or 20 years ago, with her skull all full of mush like it is, I'm positive you could have turned her out. But would she be your number one lady or your bottom bitch? Or both at once?

Anonymous said...

Blogger Rabel said...
"Beta,I'm always willing to listen to the voice of experience. Will the tarp be reusable? The good ones are expensive."

Rabel: I Will Sell You The Tarp Less Than Wholesale. You Do Not Need the Good Ones, Just Those That Actively Prevent Moisture Transition.




Anonymous said...

I Think This Is Where I Ghost. My Further Ideas Will Only Cause Heartbreak. The Betamax3000 is Woman Candy: I Cannot Help It.


The Crack Emcee said...

Nichevo,

Crack, if she was 20 or 40 years younger and you met her today or 20 years ago, with her skull all full of mush like it is, I'm positive you could have turned her out. But would she be your number one lady or your bottom bitch? Or both at once?

Dude, she's got a pie face. She's into fashion but can't dress. And, along with awful taste in music, can't tell the truth to save her life.

I think that last line says it all,...

William said...

When you press the big red button, you get a honk. Why are red buttons so easy to find on men and g spots so difficult to locate on women.

The Crack Emcee said...

Nichevo,

"Bitch Betta Have My Money"



Anonymous said...

I take it that Crack and Nichevo are "negging" Althouse, which is pickup-artist talk for dissing a woman in order not to be slotted as a "beta" but an "alpha" and thus arouse her interest.

When you look at the world and notice all the positive attention women lavish on bad boys, murderers, psychos, bikers, rock stars, rap stars and general assholes, while repeatedly hanging the nice, considerate guys out to dry or worse, it's hard not to conclude there is something to the idea.

In any event Althouse is unlikely to give Crack and Nichevo the "beta" shaming treatment, so mission accomplished.

Baron Zemo said...

Norma Desmond: Don't be silly.

[hands Joe a present]

Norma Desmond: Here, I was going to give it to you at midnight.

Joe Gillis: Norma, I can't take it, you've bought me enough.

Norma Desmond: Shut up, I'm rich! I'm richer than all this new Hollywood trash! I've got a million dollars.

Joe Gillis: Keep it.

Norma Desmond: Own three blocks downtown, I've got oil in Bakersfield, pumping, *pumping*, pumping! What's it for but to buy us anything we want!

Joe Gillis: Cut out that "us" business!

Norma Desmond: What's the matter with you?

Joe Gillis: What right do you have to take me for granted?

Norma Desmond: What right? Do you want me to tell you?

Joe Gillis: Has it ever occurred to you that I may have a life of my own? That there may be some girl I'm crazy about?

Norma Desmond: Who? Some car hop, or dress extra?

Joe Gillis: What I'm trying to say is that I'm all wrong for you. You want a Valentino, somebody with polo ponies, a big shot!

Norma Desmond: What you're trying to say is that you don't want me to love you. Say it. Say it!

[slaps him hard across the face]
(Sunset Blvd, 1950}

Baron Zemo said...

Oh and by the way as I understand it Trooper York's place is for happy people who spent the Fourth of July with their family's enjoying the holiday and celebrating our great nation.

A place were many are called but few are chosen. So to speak.

Baron Zemo said...

Oh and by the way before it gets deleted I have to say that is going to leave a mark.

Welcome back Crack.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!

Unknown said...

@purpleslog,

I can never remember when all the dates related to the Gulf War because I was young and uninterested at the time.

I didn't join the military until 1994, when it was all over.

My relationship with this woman was a few years later '96-'97.

So I'm relating something I learned about almost 18 years ago and haven't thought of 3 times since then.

And the salient point is her attempt to get pregnant was to avoid going to the Sandbox.

I freely admit I'm foggy on when she tried with her husband, when she tried with the boyfriend, and how she managed the logistics of her infidelity.

I do know that her boyfriend was married, as well, so she seduced a married man into infidelity to match hers.

Maybe it was an easy seduction, and maybe the boyfriend had already been unfaithful. Dunno.

But the salient facts of the case are what they are. Refuse to believe if you want, it makes no difference to me.

The Crack Emcee said...
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Anonymous said...

And the salient point is her attempt to get pregnant was to avoid going to the Sandbox.

This is one of the snags with female soldiers. If they ever want to duck the hardships of deployment, they have an obvious out.

Nichevo said...

Crack, but all that would seem to make her the perfect whore, no? As for the pie face (? Don't know that idiom. She has big round blue eyes and kind of a stupid look. Is that what you mean?), whores aren't dimes, after all.

And her inadequacies would have made her easier to control, as they do today, and would provide her with motivation to be a hard worker.

With the whole PC trip in her head, she probably had perennial fantasies of being turned out by some black stud-a stepson of Charles Mingus would fit her profile to a T, what with her artistic pretensions. And she would have creamed when you beat her with the car antenna every time she shit tested you. With her tenderness towards gays she would obviously be a three-holer.

And creeley, half this blog is one big shit test. If you don't want to be treated like a bitch, don't act like a bitch. She does because she does.

Nichevo said...

And Baron, how far down does that rabbit hole go? You can't mean me.

Nichevo said...

Seriously, Ann, what's alpha to you? Ernest Hemingway, who hated even to let a whore swallow his load and preferred death to cunnilingus? Of course he murdered himself but that only disturbs you when you choose to let it. Jack Nicholson? Henry Kissinger? Don't forget, I know your secret.

X said...

But you guys wanted to talk about that terrrrrible problem of female autonomy once again.

talk about being an internet personality that gets things wrong on purpose. who complained about female autonomy as opposed to bad character?

Anonymous said...

And creeley, half this blog is one big shit test. If you don't want to be treated like a bitch, don't act like a bitch. She does because she does.

Nichevo: I've had a pretty good idea of who Althouse is since she began boasting repeatedly of her "cruel neutrality." My resistance may not be up to your trash-talking PUA standards, but I do push back.

BTW--you may not know as much about Hemingway's sexuality as you think or do. Or maybe that's more Game playing. The problem with the Game is that now that I know you are a player I don't trust you anymore than Althouse or Crack.

Anyway, here's an interesting journal passage from Hemingway about his fourth wife:

She always wanted to be a boy and thinks as a boy without ever losing her femininity.... She loves me to be her girl, which I love to be, not being absolutely stupid, and also loving to be her girl [at night] since I have other jobs in the daytime.

Hemingway was a much stranger guy than his supporters and detractors realize.

Nichevo said...

Creeley, no, I am not a playa, though I may start. I was calling Althouse on BS before I had ever heard of Roissy. Although he does explain a lot! She will (rhetorically) go to cut your balls off, just for kicks really, and the only thing to do is (rhetorically) break her nose/blacken her eye/give her a fat lip.

Amusingly IRL I pride myself on my trustworthiness and regret what you said. I may have said it for effect but every word I said is true. Althouse is a stupid kind of smart and she's been very very lucky in her life. The worst thing that ever happened to her was having a gay son, which she would set at naught, and really then the worst she can say is she wasn't a good artist like she wanted to be.

But she could have very easily been preyed upon or suffered many kinds of misfortune and I am convinced it is through no merit of hers, but some combination of pure dumb luck, the God she denies, and the patriarchy she spurns, to be where she is today. And yes, I am convinced she could have been ultimately gotten to whore herself for somebody like Crack or Bill Ayers except they never crossed her path, by the sheer power of sophistry and white liberal guilt. Probably to carry bombs and blow herself up at the extreme.

She seems dumber every time she opens her mouth. This latest with the car and the boy, no he deserves to be called a young man, whom she wanted to stay and perhaps watch the water rise and drown his father, or listen to him choke to death on his own blood, or burn in a car fire, rather than ooh! Cross a stream! Climb a hill! Run a whole half mile! And get help!

I'm sure it's for the most tawdry of reasons, too: either she's jealous, because she couldn't or wouldnt have done it in a million years, or else if she were the parent she'd want the boy to stay even at the cost of her own life or his. Let alone haha if it were a girl. Or she's unhappy because it wasn't a girl who saved her daddy. Which it easily could have been. Just not if the girl was Ann Althouse. It's not the worst thing to be a coward, it is worse to deprecate and suborn courage because brave people make you look bad.

So no, her stock has dropped with me. If this PUA rubric is useful to understand or describe her, then hey for the PUA. I rarely say or think this about anyone, but frankly I believe some misfortune would improve her character. But no worries, she won't get it from me.

Nichevo said...

I understand that Papa was a live one, btw. Lots of wheels turning there. Though I bow to your scholarship.

Nichevo said...

Excuse me, subvert, not suborn.

Ann Althouse said...

"Oh and by the way as I understand it Trooper York's place is for happy people who spent the Fourth of July with their family's enjoying the holiday and celebrating our great nation."

Their family's what?

Their family's grocer apostrophes?

I hope you readers see that Trooper tries to be the alpha and the invitation to be in his "happy" place is an invitation to be betas.

Instapundit is doing something similar with his males-are-victims routine. He's a much bigger alpha than Trooper can be, so are you a better beta with a smaller alpha/alpha wannabe or with a bigger alpha? So many decisions to be made by the busy, busy betas.

chickelit said...

Alphabeta:

Michael: a buh-buh buh buh-buh

J5: a buh-buh buh buh-buh

Michael: you went to school to learn, girl
Things you never, never knew before...

Jermaine: like I before e except after c...

Michael: and why 2 plus 2 makes four
Now now now, Im gonna teach you...
J5: teach you, teach you

Michael: all about love, dear...
J5: all about love

Jermaine: sit yourself down, take a seat
All you gotta do is reapeat after me.

Chorus:

J5: abc
Michael: easy as...
J5: 123
Michael: or simple as...
J5: do re mi
Michael: abc, 123, baby, you and me girl!
J5: abc
Michael: easy as...
J5: 123
Michael: or simple as...
J5: do re mi
Michael: abc, 123, baby, you and me!

Tito: come on, let me love you just a little bit!
Jackie: come on, let me love you just a little bit!
Jermaine: Im a going to teach how to sing it out!
Michael: come on, come one, come on
Let me show you what it's all about!

Reading, writing and arithmetic
Are the branches of the learning tree

Jermaine: but without the roots of love every day, girl

Michael: your education aint complete
T-t-t-teachers gonna show you

J5: show you, show you

Michael: how to get an a!

J5: nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!

Michael: spell me you
J5: add the two!
Jermaine: listen to me baby, that's all you gotta do!

Repeat chorus

Bridge:
Michael: sit down, girl!
I think I love you!
No!
Get up, girl!
Show me what you can do!

Shake it, shake it, baby, come on now!
Shake it, shake it, baby, ooo oooh!
Shake it shake it, baby, huh!
Abc, baby, oo ooo!
123, baby, nah nah!
Do re mi, baby, huh!
That's how easy love can be.

J5: abc
Michael: abc, it's easy

Easy as123
Its like counting up to 3
Or simple as do re mi
Sing a simple melody
All: that's how easy love can be!

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