Now, Walker’s not yet a dynamic speaker, but his everyman persona is going to be more appealing in 2016 than pundits may recognize. His Men’s Wearhouse suits and accent are not the sort of things that appeal to the insider set – one gets the impression he would show up to the G8 meeting with an Old Navy American flag shirt, worn unironically, or start the State of the Union by saying he won’t keep you longer than ten minutes because there’s a game on.Gets the impression. No one would do that, right? You're just saying that you listen to him, you look at him, and that's the kind of thing you think.
Disrespect for the People of the Heartland rages out there on the coasts.
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A President who kept the State of the Union speech to under ten minutes would earn brownie points with me.
Disrespect for the People of the Heartland rages out there on the coasts.
Disrespect? Sounded like a compliment to me.
"or start the State of the Union by saying he won’t keep you longer than ten minutes because there’s a game on."
Any President who started off a speech like that would kick off a bi-partisan grass-roots drive to repeal the 22nd Amendment.
"an Old Navy American flag shirt, worn unironically"
The flag is ironic to lefties, a bit of kitsch.
Like bowling or PBR.
There is an assumption that Walker will coast through the 2104 election, but with all the ass clownishness displayed by the recallers, I'm not so sure. If they go bonkers and he handles it again with grace and calm, he may emerge a frontrunner.
I've learned from experience that you can get a good laugh at a cocktail party by using a rope around your waist to hold up your pants.
Someone who thinks hanging out and watching a football game is more important than foisting more bureaucracy on us?
Excellent.
one gets the impression he would show up to the G8 meeting with an Old Navy American flag shirt
But Governor Walker would keep the name of the Chancellor of the Exchequer straight. That's certainly a plus over what we've got now.
"Men's Warehouse accent" and the rest comes out in George Zimmer's voice, and I suddenly feel sorry for George Zimmer, and then suddenly not sorry for Zimmer due to Men's Warehouse statements during Occupy protests, and then I'm flashed beyond that to a breakfast room restaurant table with my dad sitting across me asking, "How can a board oust the founder of its own company?" And my careful explaining, step-by-step visualization-conversation one thing leads to another, we do that, he was always an overexplainer and now I am, it's a thing, how companies do sometimes vastly outgrow their founder's abilities so that the founder becomes a liability, an anchor dragging along, and shareholders demand his removal, did not pass my dad's resistance to it.
I'm not even ADD, I can hold a thought.
I looked at Scott Walker images in another window to make sure I'm thinking of the right guy because there is another guy from Wisconsin with the Eddie Munster hair and Scott Walker, according to photographs, looks nuth'n like as described here by politics real and clear.
Paul Ryan! I knew it'd come.
Disrespect for the People of the Heartland rages out there on the coasts.
Granted, but it is a strategy that seems to work for Democrats, as the white demographic shrinks and the coasts have yet to meet their financial day of reckoning.
"The People of the Heartland" sounds like a Soviet silent film...also, good to hear that Brown's hometown of Norfolk, Mass counts as the heartland. But wait...is Norfolk raging with disrespect against itself? Sounds confusing.
@Beta Rube
Been hearing lots of grumbling by Republicans over your way. Any truth to that? Voucher schools, DOT dump, etc. Calls going into Alberta Not So Darling were apparently going unanswered. Oh my.
I see this all the time: Disrespect for the People of the Heartland rages out there on the coasts.
It is only beaten by the absolute DERISION shown for People of the South. (esp Texas)
I think they would find Walker even more infuriating than Bush. And for that reason alone, I'd love to see it. However, Walker might not want all the drama that comes with elite disdain. I wouldn't blame him a bit for going fishing instead.
"Disrespect for the People of the Heartland rages out there on the coasts."
Alternatively, the "People of the Heartland" have always shown nothing but love for City Folks and for the Coast. When they say "elites," they mean it in the same way that one might say that Albery Puljols is "Elite."
Also, Ignorance is Bliss is correct. The author clearly means it as compliment. It's a stupid compliment with no bearing in reality, but a compliment nonetheless.
The Dems know how to play politics and the Republicans know how to govern because that is what their life experiences have taught them which is why most of the time the wrong people get elected.
Happiness doesn't matter much in politics. We'll pull the lever for the R's, just like disgruntled lefties pull the D lever regardless of grievance du jour.
I don't know if he would have shown up anywhere in an Old Navy American flag shirt (he was very Old School), but you have described to a T Ronald Reagan.
When I use the word elite, its usually as a pejorative but then because of the liberals, liberal became a dirty word and so is the word progressive.
Harrogate almost gets it: it's not that Heartlanders disrespect Coasties; it's that we're alternately bemused and pitying. Which interestingly enough, the Coasties know, and which infuriates them further, resulting in an endlessly increasing closed loop of disrespect/bemusement-pitying.
"...but then because of the liberals, liberal became a dirty word and so is the word progressive"
Liberals are the King Midas of ruin.
Harro, the Heartland does have cities and citizens of the Hearland do live in them.
Now if you're talking about our educated, credentialed ruling class who put policies in place and have so many "unexpected" and poor outcomes, then there's something to talk about.
Ben Domenech is a confessed plagiarist who I rarely, if ever, link. He puts up some good analysis sometimes, which makes his past intellectual theft even more difficult to understand.
As long as there's a crease in his pant as he wears the %-shirt, what's the problem?
Seeing Red, of course there are cities in "The Heartland" just as there are small towns on "The Coast," and people live in all of it and not all of them are the sane and yet for all of that the stereotypes remain.
So what we get here is caterwauling about "disrespect for People of the Heartland" running rampant on "the Coast" which to an extent, is true. But no mention of the rampant disrespect for "the Coast" or whatever marker you want to use for "liberal," that is just as real, if not moreso.
"There is an assumption that Walker will coast through the 2104 election"
It is a solid assumption. Ron Kind (stated he is not running) and Russ Feingold (heading off to Africa) are off the table and Tom Barrett is a three-time loser. No Dems in the legislature have enough ability or heft to garner statewide support, especially now since most of them are from Milwaukee or Madison and are hard left.
Walker would be beatable if there had been no recall.
So much better just to sniff at the yokels instead, Harro?
"There is an assumption that Walker will coast through the 2104 election"
It is a solid assumption. Ron Kind (stated he is not running) and Russ Feingold (heading off to Africa) are off the table and Tom Barrett is a three-time loser. No Dems in the legislature have enough ability or heft to garner statewide support, especially now since most of them are from Milwaukee or Madison and are hard left.
Walker would be beatable if there had been no recall.
And we finally get to see at least some of the source of harrogate's pathology:
Hurt feelings that he (and/or his heroes) aren't worshipped by those he considered his inferiors.
Cue the world's smallest violin.
The disrespect is mutual, isn't it?
Those people on the coasts can be complete assholes about almost anything.
harrogate:
When the Red States come up with a term equal to "flyover country", or when they come up with a map as dismissive as the "Jesusland" map, then you might have a point.
Except that it was always the liberal elites who did it first, unprovoked.
Look at the tortured readings of my comment already. Good Lord.
Never mind. The People of the Heartland are indisputably a rhetorical victim class and as for anyone who doesn't fit that demographic, they're just snobs. Feel better, Nathan?
It just dawned on me, the elites don't consider Chicago part of The Heartland.
BWAAAAAAA
garage mahal said...
Been hearing lots of grumbling by Republicans over your way.
You obviously haven't been paying attention, but that's a plus.
So, is it that he's from Behind the Cheddar Curtain, or he doesn't have the right schooling or initials after his name?
"tortured readings?"
LOLOLOLOL
I wish you could see me smiling softly and shaking my head at you, Harrogate.
Bemusedly.
Pityingly.
Never mind. The People of the Heartland are indisputably a rhetorical victim class and as for anyone who doesn't fit that demographic, they're just snobs. Feel better, Nathan?
I didn't feel bad before.
I just stated facts that supported the obvious oikophobia of many coastal elites.
The only person I see whining about Poor Misunderstood Victim Status is you as you try to justify the "Flyover Country" and "Jesusland map" prejudice.
Scratch a liberal, find a bigoted fascist, as they correctly note.
I wonder how geography based the condescension is. I suspect that a quite well dressed, learned, urbane conservative living in Manhattan would still be considered a toothless cousin humpin' hillbilly by his or her liberal betters.
You invoke "flyover country"--a term I only ever see invoked by righties trading in the manufactured grievances you are trading in here--and then accuse me of buying into that terminology. Which is doubly rich since its precisely the kind of thinking I am critiquing here anyways.
What's extra fun about it all is that the blurb Althouse quoted is also being totally misread here. It's a spectacle of "d'ohhhh!" But that's what manufactured resentment will get you.
Is it a floor wax or a dessert topping?
The irony is that it's the sports fans on the coast - specifically the New York fans, although the Boston ones are up there too - who've come off to me to be the most obsessed, take-it-too-seriously-at-the-expense-of-all-else types of fans around.
I'd trust a Colts or Chiefs football fan, or a TWolves or Pacers NBA fan, to be more receptive to the notion that sports is interruptible by "More Important" things. It's fan bases like the Jets (not all of them, but enough of whom I've encountered) who I'd think would whine if their game was pre-empted by something like a news flash about nuclear war breaking out.
harrogate continues his troll compulsory floor exercise...his coaches inform the judgesthat he is attempting the hipster irony contortion...that brings with it a maneuver complexity of 3.4, so he's apparently going for the gold medal in the troll sophistry competition....and he...he...fails to stick the landing.
That's going to mean a low score.
@Tibore,
I'm a Chiefs fan. Good to see us getting some props.
We're like the meek, I'm just glad we're getting something, cause we have a 'ell of a time.
You obviously haven't been paying attention, but that's a plus
I do pay attention and what I described is what I'm hearing. The locals ain't happy up in Ashland and Iron counties, but you probably knew that.
It's fear of the people of the Heartland masked as disrespect. Fear of having all of the elitist things that they hold dear to their hearts being exposed as irrelevant.
It's fear of the people of the Heartland masked as disrespect. Fear of having all of the elitist things that they hold dear to their hearts being exposed as irrelevant.
Nathan, I gotta admit, that "low score" burn was pretty damned good. I still think that the disrespect runs equally both ways and is mostly founded on falsity, but whatever. Being right is easy--getting hit with a well executed, cheerful burn is much more rare and enjoyable.
garage, there's plenty of public school teachers where I live that don't like Walker either. That's also a plus to me.
Wisconsin?
I wouldn't live there if you paid me to!
You middle earth people eat roadkill, right?
Only if it's fresh and tenderized by a Mac truck.
@Allen
I was talking about Republican grumblings against Walker & Republicans. They aren't happy with vouchers schools or the plan to dump millions of tons of crap in a Brookfield quarry. I'm headed up to Ashland this weekend to vacation. I'm looking forward to visiting the LCO Harvest Camp. Are you Lac Courte Oreilles?
No mention of our bumpkin gov's lack of college degree credential? How'd the author miss that one? That should drive the elites crazy, knowing that they might be governed by a credential-lacker.
The last line made me laugh: Walker sits "on a throne made out of the skulls of his enemies."
Conan, what is good in life?
Amy said...
"I see this all the time: Disrespect for the People of the Heartland rages out there on the coasts.
It is only beaten by the absolute DERISION shown for People of the South. (esp Texas)
True.
Out here in California, the only people "we" hate more than Mid-Westerners are Southerners, especially Texans.
It's quite psychotic, especially in light of the fact that most Californians are, in fact, from some place else.
garage, please understand, I'm not a Republican. I think that they are almost as bad as the Democrats. I joined the Tea Party. Whether they get elected and improve the situation is yet to be determined.
My father, and both of his parents were members of the White Earth Band of Ojibwa (Minnesota).
Let me make this perfectly clear, garage, most of the Republicans are not helping improve the situation.
I just wish that there were Democrats who would look at what's been taking place, and conclude also, that they are also the problem.
Whatever, man, enjoy your vacation.
As someone that's hanging way out on the left coast, I can tell you that this is nothing to emulate. We can't educate our kids, pay our bills, fill our potholes, keep our criminals in jail, protect ourselves, or get out of our own way. California is Idiocracy, but in the way it really will happen, not the backwards idea that Hollywood came up with.
The disaster doesn't come from idiots overpopulating the planet, but from them overpopulating the government. It actually already happened, and you didn't notice. Now we live in the real deal. Our leader is named Governor Moonbeam, and he's gonna build us a high speed train.
Tim and Amy:
I'll see your derision and raise you a contempt because that is what Texans feel for our "superiors" in Washington, California, Austin, Harvard and Yale.
I think one explanation is that all the "heartland's" homosexuals migrate here.
Those in the "heartland" then mock places like San Francisco (and Los Angeles) for all their homosexuals; while those in San Francisco (and Los Angeles and places like them) mock the heartland for being inhospitable for homosexuals.
It doesn't explain all of it, of course.
My father, and both of his parents were members of the White Earth Band of Ojibwa (Minnesota).
Cool. Thanks for sharing that.
Bill, Republic of Texas said...
"Tim and Amy:
I'll see your derision and raise you a contempt because that is what Texans feel for our "superiors" in Washington, California, Austin, Harvard and Yale."
Bill,
Mind you, I'm only reporting.
I have family in the Midwest, East, South and Texas. Lovely people all, and so too are their neighbors. Love visiting, and sincerely believe the contempt Californians show to people from those places is itself contemptible, and embarrassing.
bagoh20 said...
"As someone that's hanging way out on the left coast, I can tell you that this is nothing to emulate. We can't educate our kids, pay our bills, fill our potholes, keep our criminals in jail, protect ourselves, or get out of our own way. California is Idiocracy, but in the way it really will happen, not the backwards idea that Hollywood came up with.
The disaster doesn't come from idiots overpopulating the planet, but from them overpopulating the government. It actually already happened, and you didn't notice. Now we live in the real deal. Our leader is named Governor Moonbeam, and he's gonna build us a high speed train."
bagoh20,
It's actually worse than all that, but you just keep on walkin' on the sunny side of the street!
Tim:
I knew you are reporting. I just referred back to use my play on words.
"
It's quite psychotic, especially in light of the fact that most Californians are, in fact, from some place else. "
Mexico. 40% so far but soon.
The ultimate in "derision of heartland", said to a West-Coast enclave of snobs:
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
It's quite psychotic, especially in light of the fact that most Californians are, in fact, from some place else.
Someplace else that we left, Tim.
I grew up in the South. It sucked, so I left and came here. That's not terribly unusual. My Filipino friends have little good to say about the Philippines, my Chinese friends badmouth China all the time, etc. Generally speaking, if you're living some place and life is GOOD there, you don't move hundreds or thousands of miles away.
I'm in the market for my first suit and... Men's Wearhouse suits are looked down upon? They're not cheap. People keep telling me just to throw something together from Walmart or JCPenny. I'm wearing a Walmart suit right now actually. People say I look nice. >_>
"Someplace else that we left, Tim."
Sure.
But not for everyone.
Sometimes it's a job transfer, or your spouse insists on living close to her parents (my parent's case), sometimes for health (my grandparent's case) or many other reasons other than just fleeing.
And, being a native-born Californian (and Irish, with lots of family lore about Ireland, the English, etc., etc., etc.), but having family spread throughout the US, I prefer living here (for now - see the coming insolvency), but think the disdain and contempt Californians have for other places is quite parochial and myopic, to say the least.
Sometimes, people are just smug pricks.
I don't think Ben Domenech was insulting the Heartland and was complimenting Walker. But as suggested above, with him you might need to ask: did you come up with that all by yourself, Ben?
Flyover country people are less judgmental of urbanites because they value individual freedom more. Urbanites are more judgmental of flyover folks because they hew more to ideological homogeneity, and would rather subvert freedom to get more people to do what they think they should be doing.
Joe Schmoe cannot see the irony of his comment. That's sort of beautiful.
It is touching, isn't it harrogate?
And on cue the hipster douches respond exactly the way they are conditioned to respond. Trained seals have nothing on you guys.
Disrespect for the People of the Heartland
ha, try to be from the South sometime.
Walker won't win re-election in 2014. He broke too many promises and engaged in too much cronyism. The people of Wisconsin don't like that sort of thing.
There have been 9 presidents total who didn't have a college degree, and 0 since Truman. I'm thinking Walker doesn't stand a chance on that basis alone.
The 9: George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, and Harry Truman.
Not having a college degree can be a feature and not a bug if Walker runs a populist campaign against the elites. If he refuses to debate using the main stream media rules. If he goes on entertainment venues and plays off on the low information voter as Obama did in his election.
He needs to attack early and often and if Hillary is the Democratic candidate he will have the benefit of Clinton fatigue. Just as it would be benefit if he ran against Jeb Bush in the primaries. Many people are tied of the Bushes and the Clintons and business as usual.
He has a shot at running a real populist campaign.
A populist campaign on behalf of the wealthy.
A populist for the middle class who are getting screwed by taxes and regulation for the benefit of the dependent 49% who want their Obama phones and Food Stamps and government programs that the Democrats buy them with. A populist who will ignore the corrupt mainstream media and take his campaign to the people unfiltered by bias. A populist who disdains the credentialed Ivy league assholes who run this country.
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