Corn would like us to think he's got material that's quite nefarious, because "McConnell and his aides considered assaulting Judd for her past struggles with depression and for her religious views." But doesn't every campaign brainstorm about everything that could possibly be used? One campaign aide said:
She's clearly, this sounds extreme, but she is emotionally unbalanced. I mean it's been documented. Jesse can go in chapter and verse from her autobiography about, you know, she's suffered some suicidal tendencies. She was hospitalized for 42 days when she had a mental breakdown in the '90s.And there's a quote of Judd's about how bright and flashy things are in America, such that when she returns home from overseas things, like "pink fuzzy socks on a rack" can make her "absolutely flip[] out" and she "can never anticipate what is going to push [her] over the edge." We're supposed to be offended that McConnell's people even considered using material like that? Hey, she kind of used "pink fuzzy socks" against America. Surely, the pink fuzzy socks can be used against her. No! Not the fuzzy socks!!!!
How about using religion? Well, it depends on what kind of material you have!
She says Christianity gives a God like a man, presented and discussed exclusively with male imagery, which legitimizes and seals male power, the intention to dominate even if that intention is nowhere visible.Is there something bad about a campaign thinking of using and how it would use material like that? Obviously, there's some overall theme that Judd is flaky and not in synch with mainstream Kentucky.
CNN reports:
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's re-election campaign is "working with the FBI" on how Mother Jones, a liberal magazine, obtained a recording of political aides meeting with McConnell and discussing opposition research on Ashley Judd, McConnell campaign manager Jesse Benton told CNN Tuesday....Either this kind of bugging is acceptable or it's not. I'm surprised Corn went forward with it when the material isn't even shocking. It's actually quite bland... in comparison to what I assume is batted around within all the various campaigns as they decide how to attack opponents. Can we get transcripts of all that crap? I'd love to blog it.
"Obviously a recording device of some kind was placed in Senator McConnell's campaign office without consent. By whom and how that was accomplished will presumably be the subject of a criminal investigation," Benton said in a statement.
Suddenly, I realize why Corn may believe this material is worth printing: These are attacks on a sweet and pretty lady. Corn's decision to publish is — ironically — evidence of sexism.
ADDED: There's an update at the first link that says the tape came from "a source who wishes to remain anonymous" and:
We published the article on the tape due to its obvious newsworthiness. We were not involved in the making of the tape, but it is our understanding that the tape was not the product of any kind of bugging operation. We cannot comment beyond that, except to say that under the circumstances, our publication of the article is both legal and protected by the First Amendment.Here's my question to Mother Jones: Do you want to encourage the activity that produced the tape? Do you endorse this activity as applied to all the politicians you love? You are profiting from this activity. Whether you are protected from legal action or not, your actions imply that you believe what you are doing is ethical and good journalism. That applies across the board, whether the intruded-upon politicians are ones you loathe or ones you love. Step up and endorse that, explicitly and clearly. I challenge you!
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Why is this news? Ever been in a marketing meeting that talks about how to take down a competitor or how to expose their weakness on their brand and product? How is this any different? Oh right, this is about finding peoples soft spots and hitting them. Oh the shame of it all. So maudlin and everything.
I'd like to hear secret tapes of what Ashley Judd says about America, Americans, and Kentuckians. McConnell's campaign was only looking at material SHE put out for public consumption. Imagine what she says to her inner circle, such as campaign donors. What would be her equivalent of Obama's "bitter clingers" quote? You can hear her contempt for ordinary Americans in the material that she believed put her in a flattering light. What did she and her people say about McConnell behind the scenes?
McConnell's stuff is pretty sedate, practically gentlemanly.
I'm sure the same thing is done -- is being done -- with and by every Senator who is seeking re-election.
When Newt's strategy session was illegally tapped by a Democrat operative and sent to the press, Newt's "sleaziness" was exposed.
When a Republican operative got hold of a Dem's sleazy strategy session, the operative was fired, the material was not used. The Republican Party was attacked by the press.
They read her autobiography, not her personal diary. Of course they are going to dissect it.
I wonder if they purchased a few copies or borrowed it from the library?
Judd isn't even running!
Isn't it creepy that the left have surveillance - everywhere.
No wonder we are so boned when the Senate majority leader has to spend time, in early 2013, on his 2014 campaign vs. a potential airhead actress. I guess I should blame the American voters who have shown they will elect dickheads like Al Franken, Sonny Bono's ex-wife, a Law & Order actor, a Love Boat actor, Barbara Boxer, etc.
By the way, remember the shock and horror Corn and his ilk expressed when Democrats talked about going after Mitt Romney for his religion?
Me too!
It would have been nice if someone in the MSM would have dissected Teh One's two books and his public statements back in 2007.
Because the left never use religion and mental health as ammo.
The left want to fight with dirty ammo, and force anyone against them to disarm.
Jay: "By the way, remember the shock and horror Corn and his ilk expressed when Democrats talked about going after Mitt Romney for his religion?"
remember the shock and horror Corn and ilk expressed when Democrats accused Mitt Romney of killing a women with cancer?
All hell will break loose once the McConnell campaign gets hold of some of her spit.
You mean leftwing brownshirts who work at Mother Jones /MSDNC are into illegally placing microphones and bugging the place?
All your conversations are belong to leftwing fascists.
Mother Jones - what a joke.
Sue their asses.
Drago said...
remember the shock and horror Corn and ilk expressed when Democrats accused Mitt Romney of killing a women with cancer?
Damn right!
Bain capital came in an took over that steel mill and old Mitt glefully took away that guy's health care (Mitt targeted him personally!) and his wife died of cancer.
Totally legit, Corn and his ilk have no problem with such a narrative...
How many of these stories is it going to take for Republicans to realize that these people will stop at nothing to gain power?
Do Republicans even pay attention to, and think of this stuff?
No matter how many "gangs" Republicans join to pass Democratic legislation, liberals are still going to to do this.
When will they wake up and realize these people are the enemy. The enemy all the time, every time?
And how did I-am-not-a-dictator Zero become a US Senator?
Jay said...
Judd isn't even running!
Now.
Shows just how afraid McChinless was of Judd's candidacy if they planned on going Lee Atwater on her.
"Either this kind of bugging is acceptable or it's not."
Of course it's not. I hope they catch the perpetrator. And if they don't, I hope we reach the point where David Corn is sitting in jail for not releasing his source.
Garage Mahal shows just how extreme his bile is, as the entire thread is about how mundane the discussions are.
Does Mahal actually find any particular quote to dump his "Lee Atwater" smear on? Nope. Not a one.
Because there's nothing there, and if there is any expert on nuttin' its Mahal.
Either this kind of bugging is acceptable or it's not.
It's always acceptable when used against Republicans. Mitt Romney's "47%," George Allen's reference to a Democrat operative as a "piece of macaca." Why do you feel the need to ask?
The left's universal motto at work:
Opposition research?!
"HOW DARE YOU!"
Only the left are allowed such liberties.
Why shouldn't McConnell have been afraid of a potential Judd candidacy? She's a frickin' icon in Kentuck. That's 40% of the electorate in the can before she even would have opened her mouth.
The clear comparison is the LA Times refusing to release the recording of Obama's speech at a dinner honoring terrorist Rashid Khalidi.
How many of these stories is it going to take for the GOP to wake up, smell the coffee and realize that we live in a world of ubiquitous, compact recording devices (smartphones, digital recorders)? Mitt Romney may well have been done in by the effect of the recording that was made by a waiter, catering the event here in Boca. That was shot with a smartphone on a table, behind a plant.
Compare and contrast all the leaked/surreptitious audio/video that was released on Romney with all those released on Obama in the 2012 campaign... Oh, you can't? That's right, there were none for Obama's campaign. He learned the lesson of 2008, when his "bitter clingers" remark was captured without permission.
Whatever Obama's people were doing (simple as check-your-cell-phone-at-the-door, perhaps wanding participants as they enter, etc.), it worked. The GOP needs to wake up to the modern world of devices and avoid any more of this shit.
What did Obama know and when did he know it?
This wasn't a public event - this was a private meeting in an office.
I wonder what the Kentucky law(s) re: clandestine recording.
Suddenly, I realize why Corn may believe this material is worth printing: These are attacks on a sweet and pretty lady. Corn's decision to publish is — ironically — evidence of sexism.
True, but it's a particular type of sexism. It's called "feminism." It's their stock in trade to call upon men to protect them from attacks from other men. Feminists love the white knights. They are feminism's useful idiots.
Does Mahal actually find any particular quote to dump his "Lee Atwater" smear on?
He has no clue who Lee Atwater was.
He's just flinging poo.
Like a monkey in the zoo...
Lest we forget that actual corporations that call themselves the MSM will sometimes refuse to publish tapes that are recorded legally, if they embarass the wrong folks.
LA Times, Obama, 2003, Dohrn, Ayers, Khalidi
Account of Ashley Judd in Africa - saved from the lawyers!
Trevino's Blog | Josh Trevino
This is A. Judd.
You little motherfuckers.
"She was badly constipated, perhaps because she chowed down on Powerbars with alacrity. And she talked about it a lot."
Remember it was Corn who released the 47% recording of Romney.
They'll be having a field day on Chris Matthews tonight (where Corn is a regular).
The spittle will be flying.
These are attacks on a sweet and pretty lady. Corn's decision to publish is -- All about the clicks. If Huffington Post ran this, they would have turned it into a slide show.
* * *
There's one line that jumps out:
The fellow in charge of the meeting referred to a Freedom of Information Act request filed "through a third party" that aimed to uncover damaging information about [Alison Lundergan Grimes] actions in government
Apparently the irony of the Democrats using a third party to publicize damaging information about Mitch McConnell is lost on Mr. Corn.
She is pretty kooky. She takes her dogs and cats with her to the set for "support."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/03/ashley-judd-keeps-a-psychological-support-dog-to-help-deal-with-her-depression/
She is more Hollywood than Kentucky. She likes to think of herself as some kind of rebel and tough girl, but when you are used to being treated with kid gloves, she would have made so many political gaffes very quickly saying what she "feels."
I always thought Corn more intelligent than this--just demonstrates how deeply an otherwise seemingly intelligent guy (well, glib, at least--the two aren't necessarily synonymous) can be held captive to an ideology..
Shows just how afraid McChinless was of Judd's candidacy if they planned on going Lee Atwater on her.
"Shit in her autobiography" isn't character assassination.
And funny hearing somebody who championed Reid's claim that Romney paid no taxes (when he actually paid more than he should have) or who assured us, repeatedly, that Walker was about to be charged whining about somebody being mean.
Ann, read the end of the transcript. They talk about another Democrat, mentioninng that the only thing they have on her is the fact that she supported Obama's platform.
This tape is why Judd decided not to run, and it was released to put McConnell on defense. Look at the lib blogs - nobody cares that McConnell's office was wiretapped. It's all noise about him not planning to run on the issues.
Mitt Romney's horse could not be reached for comment.
I'm disappointed there wasn't anything salacious. I was hoping McConnell and his staff were not as dull as they seem.
He has no clue who Lee Atwater was.
Atwater famously accused a Dem in S.C. of having jumper cables hooked up to him as a child. McConell's staffers were plotting how to attack Judd for admitting she contemplated suicide. As a sixth grader. I thought that was an easy comparison for someone to follow, even for a butt-ignorant hack like you.
Either this kind of bugging is acceptable or it's not.
Richard Nixon, call your ... nevermind.
Althouse: This post is absolutely dead-on. Well done.
It looks like surreptitious recording of a conversation is legal under federal and Kentucky law if the recorder is a party to the conversation.
So the question is whether the meeting was recorded by a participant (legal) or a bug (illegal - fine and up to five years under the Wiretap Act).
The same penalties apply to knowledgeable disclosure of illegally obtained material.
But Ashley Judd would be one of those evil one-percenters, wouldn't she?
Bitchtits Mahal says:
"even for a butt-ignorant hack like you."
The biggest Obama and union schill on this site who has admitted that he barely made it through high school made this statement.
Need I say more?
Ace's Rule: Whenever a leak damages a Republican, it's all about what was leaked. Whenever a leak damages a Democrat, it's all about the leaker.
Let me see if I got this now.
Going after Rand Paul for Aqua Buddha - good
Going after Ashley Judd for Christianity is patriarchy (or somthin' like that) - bad
In which Garage reveals again that he is clueless about terms like "brainstorm" and "strategize" and has no idea what the Minority Leader would have done in the campaign. Now we DO know Democrats (emphasis on rats part) used every lowdown trick in the book against Mitt but that's A-OK in Garage's world.
It just hit me, you can't do a brainstorm without a brain. No wonder Garage is ignorant of the process.
Sweet, our resident lawyer* is here.
Could you give a brief legal analysis of the secret taping here?
*LOL. Just kidding dude.
I actually thought of Creams Jeans today when I saw the story about the guy that was caught masturbating out a car window going 90mph. Maybe he saw a car with an Obama bumper sticker and he wanted to jizz all over it, like he jizzes all over these threads? But the person was a politician, and even that low low bar couldn't possibly be hurdled by a flunky like him?
Rabel said,
It looks like surreptitious recording of a conversation is legal under federal and Kentucky law if the recorder is a party to the conversation.
So the question is whether the meeting was recorded by a participant (legal) or a bug (illegal - fine and up to five years under the Wiretap Act).
Isn't there a "but if the evil rethuglicans are plotting! to! destroy! a pretty girl from Hollywood who is a standing member of the progressive group-think, then it's all good." - clause?
garage mahal said...
He has no clue who Lee Atwater was.
Atwater famously accused a Dem in S.C. of having jumper cables hooked up to him as a child. McConell's staffers were plotting how to attack Judd for admitting she contemplated suicide. As a sixth grader. I thought that was an easy comparison for someone to follow
And the resident bozo goes on to show he doesn't know the difference between accusing someone of something, and talking factually about events.
Everyone reading is shocked by this development.
Shocking that you didn't get custody of your child Bitchtits, how could the judge have overlooked your amazing literary skills?
How could any woman leave a man who is capable of such eloquence?
"I actually thought of Creams Jeans today when I saw the story about the guy that was caught masturbating out a car window going 90mph. Maybe he saw a car with an Obama bumper sticker and he wanted to jizz all over it, like he jizzes all over these threads? But the person was a politician, and even that low low bar couldn't possibly be hurdled by a flunky like him?"
Now get back to your high income but only requires a GED career, fatboy.
My goodness. Garbage is having a bad day.
Let's watch! :)
Atwater famously accused a Dem in S.C. of having jumper cables hooked up to him as a child.
Actually, he did no such thing.
But that is totally like referring to someones auto-biography.
Really, it is.
And if you don't understand that, you're like a super-duper dummy!
garage mahal said...
Shows just how afraid McChinless was of Judd's candidacy if they planned on going Lee Atwater on her.
But it would have been OK to go David Axelrod on her, right?
George Allen's reference to a Democrat operative as a "piece of macaca."
That was a public event, which in my view, is open season. Of course it was blown out of proportion by WaPo.
what did Corn know about Valerie Plame and when did she out herself to him?
I would've gone with the Puffy Face Conspiracies.
Judd would have made a terrible, terrible Senator. Perhaps a bit worse than Mitch McConnell.
Actually, he did no such thing.
Actually he did. You've already googled it, so why lie?
At a press briefing, Atwater planted a fake reporter who rose and said, "We understand Turnipseed has had psychotic treatment." Atwater later told the reporters off the record that Turnipseed "got hooked up to jumper cables"– a reference to electroconvulsive therapy that Turnipseed underwent as a teenager.[5] Link
"Judd, you magnificent bastard. I read your book!"
Atwater planted a reporter!
Scandalous!
LOLOLOL
Remember how the left applauded Linda Tripp's recording of Monica Lewinsky?
Going Lee Atwater on someone is what you fall back on when you'd rather be going Harry Reid on them-- but the only damaging information you've got happens to be true instead of made-up.
Oh, boy, Barry's budget is going to be released tomorrow, good times, good times.
Actually he did.
Yes, because being a young man is now the equavalent to being a "child"
Look troll, you're a fucking moron and your only purpose here is to deflect, dissemble, and lie.
In doing so, you reveal a deep and broad ignorance that emblematic of the disphit political movement you're a part of.
Carry on.
Jim Treacher said...
My goodness. Garbage is having a bad day.
Let's watch! :)
Every single day is a bad day for Bitchtits Mahal.
He is like Flounder from Animal House, except not drunk, just fat and stupid.
Oh and Flounder actually went to college.
And Flounder's wife didn't leave him.
I guess he isn't that much like Flounder at all, Flounder had many redeeming qualities.
Bitchtits is just fat and stupid, which gets back to my original point why every day is a bad day for him.
Apologies to Flounder for the comparison.
Does anyone here want to claim PMJ or Jay as their own?
And how did I-am-not-a-dictator Zero become a US Senator?
Good point. The media got a California Judge to release Ryan's sealed divorce records against the wishes of the former husband and wife. Here's an article from the time.
"Suddenly, I realize why Corn may believe this material is worth printing: These are attacks on a sweet and pretty lady whose name isn't Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin, etc., etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam, ad infinitum nauseam.
FTFY, Ann.
Does anyone believe either of these idiots ever got out of 10th grade? Does anyone believe the two aren't the same person? Does anyone think that the tactics employed by the two are any different than those employed by Whoresoftheinternet?
Again, who here wants to step forward and claim these fools as one of their own?
Inga said...
Does anyone here want to claim PMJ or Jay as their own?
Quit "stalking" me, or I will be forced to inform the internet police, you silly old cow.
Sarcasm of course, except for the silly old cow part. I mean that in complete sincerity.
"He did no such thing"
Um, here the proof.
"Yea? You're a moron!"
And the troll probably thinks he's doing a bang up job.
Could it just be a ploy to increase MSNBC's ratings? How much would that be worth to the actors involved?
@ Emil Blatz
"Mitt Romney may well have been done in by the effect of the recording that was made by a waiter, catering the event here in Boca."
Actually I think it was the bartender.
Personally I would have sued the living shit out of the catering company, forced it out of business and then let the shit roll down the hill as they sued the shit out of the bartender.
garage mahal said...
Um, here the proof.
Yes, because being a young man is now the equavalent to being a "child"
You can't read.
Literally, you can't read.
Inga said...
Does anyone believe either of these idiots ever got out of 10th grade? Does anyone believe the two aren't the same person? Does anyone think that the tactics employed by the two are any different than those employed by Whoresoftheinternet?
Says the person just as juvenile, and who eggs on Jack Diamond as well.
Inga, here's a pro tip on how to manipulate a scroll bar.
Inga said...
Does anyone believe either of these idiots ever got out of 10th grade?
Listen, you silly, fat woman.
I exceeded your education level when I got my first bachelor's.
So you can shut up now.
Thanks.
Marshal, what are you taliking about regarding Jack Diamond? Are you saying I egged him on? When, why, where? If you make such a statement at least make yourself clear.
It's Watergate.
Democrats are spying on Republicans.
No one here is concerned about this?
Goodness
Atwater famously accused a Dem in S.C. of having jumper cables hooked up to him as a child.
False.
It's not that garage is stupid. It's that he knows so many things that are just not true.
Again, hearing Obama sycophants whining about somebody delving into the personal life of an opponent is endlessly amusing.
Inga said...
Does anyone here want to claim PMJ or Jay as their own?
4/9/13, 12:58 PM
Mind you, from the author of:
Inga said...
Why does everyone sound like a clone of Jay today?
4/8/13, 4:40 PM
You can't make this level of stupid up, folks.
@Jay He has no clue who Lee Atwater was
[garage goes to Wikipedia, and furiously searches "Lee Atwater" article and comes back]
@ garage Atwater famously accused[...]of having jumper cables
Voila!
Inga said...
When, why, where?
Just because you can't remember, or pretend not to, doesn't mean others can't.
Hey, Jay, Inga, you're really boring at this point. Shut up for a while; let it simmer. Another substantive point might actually crop up.
Hey Bob, I was done.
Inga said...
Does anyone here want to claim PMJ or Jay as their own?
I've agreed with both from time to time, but, unless there's a Lefty circle jerk in progress - and many times not even then, nobody claims the She Devil of the SS.
She tries to suck up to all the trolls now and again, but mostly wants to get into Ann's good graces with her constant "Brava!" s on the subject of same sex marriage.
damikesc said...
It's not that garage is stupid. It's that he knows so many things that are just not true.
I don't believe this. I don't think he believes a word he writes. His goal is increasing the cost of participating (in time) by making everyone else wade through his bullshit.
Mitch McConnell says that he thinks ProgressKY bugged his headquarters.
The post is spot on, of course.
Here's another angle too...Judd decided not to run, ostensibly because she knew these unflattering details would be used against her. So now a lefty decides to put the public focus on these details of her mental instabili, in the guise of protecting her from the nasty GOP senator.
Gee, with friends like these, Ashley....
[garage goes to Wikipedia, and furiously searches "Lee Atwater" article and comes back]
So I made something up, and miraculously, I was proven right by Wiki!
"McConell's staffers were plotting how to attack Judd for admitting she contemplated suicide."
By "attack" I suppose you mean quoting her own biography ?
By the way, a liberal group was caught on tape mulling racist attack on McConnell's wife for her Chinese heritage, and David Corn was not outraged.
And silly, fat, garagie didn't pretend that said group was going "all Lee Atwater" either.
It's only dirty politics if the Democrats do it, apparently....
Garage thinks that Republicans were afraid of Judd running? Are you kidding me? She was so obviously weak as a candidate that top Dems intervened to keep her out -- about which she complained publicly.
Republicans would have LOVED to run against Judd.
Garage's political acumen is just as great as his knowledge of economics.
Did they discuss unsealing divorce records? I've heard that is quite effective.
Again, who here wants to step forward and claim these fools as one of their own?
I honestly have no idea what this means.
These are individuals. Some are smart. Some are dumb. Most are probably internet assholes. They don't belong to anyone.
Benton said a recording device had been placed in McConnell's office without consent.
pogo101
Republicans would have LOVED to run against Judd.
Yeah, that's why they had strategy sessions to beat her, right? If she was so easy to beat then why even discuss it? Why not actually encourage her to run?
"Republicans would have LOVED to run against Judd."
She's a celebrity. Of course she'd be dangerous. A lot of people can't tell the difference between a Senate race and American Idol.
If a leak damages a Republican (not that his does, but to make a point), its called a "leak".
When a leak damages a Democrat, its called "stolen emails". See Global Warming emails.
"Benton said a recording device had been placed in McConnell's office without consent.
Yeah, that's why they had strategy sessions to beat her, right? If she was so easy to beat then why even discuss it? Why not actually encourage her to run?
It is even easier to run unopposed. But thanks for showing it is no longer "have you no decency in reading her autobiography" but now it is "have you no decency in holding a strategy session". Perhaps later you can lecture on the new civility?
Then there was the recording of her saying how proud she was to be a resident of Tennessee.
"Republicans would have LOVED to run against Judd."
McConnell sports a 36-54 job approval rating
"But Ashley Judd would be one of those evil one-percenters, wouldn't she?"
No, the Dems are exempt from that charge, those are the liberal rules.
Why is it ethical to publish stolen information?
If you found a copy of iTunes music, and published that, would it be legal, let alone ethical?
"Again, who here wants to step forward and claim these fools as one of their own?" - [The Sweet Old Maiden]
"I honestly have no idea what this means." - EMD
It means she wants to play the victim card now. Because it's that time of the thread. She came, she shat, she wants some one to play his role of dung-sweeper and knight-errant.
Matt said...
It's only dirty politics if the Democrats do it, apparently....
Of course!
I mean, you totally like proved those meanie wingnutz wrong and stuff!
Matt said...
Yeah, that's why they had strategy sessions to beat her, right? If she was so easy to beat then why even discuss it?
And the resident brain dead lefty reveals he's never heard the term "Planning"
That is heart warming.
Really, it is.
Interesting to read on this "whack a mole" site that political slime has become sedate. If all this is so sedate why does McConnell seem so defensive?
I think Matt is the bumptious old nurse in drag.
But in case (s)he's not: Who here wants to step forward and claim these fools as one of their own???
Bueller?
A lot of people can't tell the difference between a Senate race and American Idol.
Mitch McConnell = Lazaro?
So R/V, you're good with bugging your opponent?
McConnell's Poll numbers are bad!, so that means democrats are allowed to say racist things about his wife and illegally bug his office.
1111!
Newsflash Garage - Nancy we have to pass it to find out what's in it Pelosi's numbers were much lower when she was speaker.
Who's Lazaro?
"Mitch McConnell = Lazaro?"
Or Mitch McConnell = Sean Duffy
I wonder if the recorder was wearing a pimp costume. Jay would be beating chest how teh awesome that was then.
Jay
Okay then, 'planning'?
The point is too obvious for you I guess.
Personally I have no problem with McConnell et. al. digging dirt on whomever runs against them. That's politics. David Corn is looking for a story where there is none.
BUT I still stick by the view that if Judd was so easy to beat then why not encourage her to run. It would be an easy win for McConnell in my opinon.
It looks like the FBI is being called in.
Nomennovum said...
"Again, who here wants to step forward and claim these fools as one of their own?" - [The Sweet Old Maiden]
"I honestly have no idea what this means."
It means she wants to play the victim card now. Because it's that time of the thread. She came, she shat, she wants some one to play his role of dung-sweeper and knight-errant.
She wants to be swept?
Yes Fatty, because Acorn offices that invite someone in to speak with them should have exactly the same amount of privacy as a fucking Senator's office.
Community agitators dicuss a ton of classified and national security sensitive material, what O'Keefe did is exactly the same.
You fat fucking retard.
"It looks like the FBI is being called in."
I'm sure they'll get right to the bottom of it; right after they catch the Benghazi terrorists.
because Acorn offices that invite someone in to speak with them should have exactly the same amount of privacy as a fucking Senator's office.
Apparently not too invited, O'Keefe has to shell out 100k for that invitation. Somehow.
But as a non-lawyer you wouldn't be expected to know anything about the law, would you?
Yeah, that's why they had strategy sessions to beat her, right?
Obama had strategy sessions to beat Alan Keyes.
Jim DeMint had strategy sessions to beat Alvin Greene.
You know, people actually plan some shit out here and there.
If she was so easy to beat then why even discuss it?
I was unaware that politicians traditionally ignore any threat to their power.
When a leak damages a Democrat, its called "stolen emails". See Global Warming emails.
Heck, go back to when Congressional Dems left their strategy notes on the wrong side of a firewall and it their plans were publicized by Republican staffers.
Republican staffers got fired for "hacking" notes that weren't behind a firewall at all.
McConnell sports a 36-54 job approval rating
Which is why Kentucky Democrats are so chomping at the bit to face him that they considered running Ashley Judd.
It looks like the FBI is being called in.
Yes, with AG Holder, that will surely go far...
Apparently not too invited, O'Keefe has to shell out 100k for that invitation. Somehow.
So, to avoid your disdain, he should go bankrupt fighting off numerous suits from the same person constantly?
Why do Progressives seem to view courts as another avenue for war? You did that to Palin as well.
garage mahal said...
But as a non-lawyer you wouldn't be expected to know anything about the law, would you?
He's not the one pretending laws don't vary from state to state, and demonstrating a deep & broad ignorance on the matter.
You are.
Apparently not too invited, O'Keefe has to shell out 100k for that invitation.
That's right stupid shit! O'Keefe only went to 1 ACORN office, and made one tape and he was totally fined for it!
Really, he was!!!
Good thing they didn't have a binder on her.
Matt said...
"It's only dirty politics if the Democrats do it, apparently...."
Wiretapping a private meeting of ANYONE is not 'dirty politics' but a violation of federal law.
Savvy?
damikesc
You are aware that O'Keefe was once arrested for allegedly wiretapping the New Orleans office of Democrat Sen. Mary Landrieu?
I guess wiretapping is okay if it's done to Democratic Senators?
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/26/ugh-acorn-buster-busted-at-sen-landrieus-office-in-alleged-bugging-plot/
Who's Lazaro?
Last man standing on Idol. Can't sing very well, but his life as a severe stutterer guarantees a sympathy vote.
Has a terrible time remembering lyrics, too.
Um, hey Matt:
Note that the affidavit refers to malicious interference with the phone system, not bugging or wiretapping.*
O'Keefe did not wiretap or attempt to bug any Democratic Senator.
Paul
I agree wiretapping is illegal. But there is no evidence exactly who tapped McConnell's office. Could have been one of his own staff for all we know at this point.
And when I mentioned 'dirty politics', I meant digging dirt on Judd. My original comment did not address wiretapping since it is still unknown who did it.
Matt we DID encourage her to run. Democrats -- that is McConnell's opponents, in case you need a bigger hint -- were the ones DIScouraging Judd from running. And the act of brainstorming behind closed doors doesn't reveal what Mitch's team were or were not going to say about Judd, only what material there was available to draw from.
"Can't sing very well, but his life as a severe stutterer guarantees a sympathy vote.
Has a terrible time remembering lyrics, too."
Sounds like Senate material to me.
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Matt said...
You are aware that O'Keefe was once arrested for allegedly wiretapping the New Orleans office of Democrat Sen. Mary Landrieu?I guess wiretapping is okay if it's done to Democratic Senators?
Methinks Matt missed the point. The left criticized O'Keefe for his action, but so far no lefty publications have criticized Corn. And the admittedly unrepresentative selection of lefties here are defending him.
MadisonMan: "I'm sure the same thing is done -- is being done -- with and by every Senator who is seeking re-election."
Hush, we wouldn't want little Matt to get the vapors or anything....
Jay
O'Keefe is an arrogant prick. If he maliciosly interferred with a phone system of a Senator he should have gotten his teeth kicked in. You're one of the few who would defend him. Not sure why....
As usual fatty, you have no idea what you are talking about.
O'Keefe's settlement is a civil matter with him and one Acorn employee, and had absolutely jack shit to do with his "being invited" in. Gile's claim survived summary judgement, and O'Keefe chose to settle rather than push it through a trial. Regardless, Gile's claim wasn't that O'Keefe wasn't invited in to speak with him.
All told 100k is a bargain to bring down a nationwide funnel for taxpayer money to be used to campaign for lefty causes.
If you were going to try and make a comparison with what he did at Mary Landreiu's office you might be on slightly firmer footing, but since you just wanted to regurgitate the latest leftard taling point you heard, you went with the pimp costume line.
All of this is just distractions from the point of this thread, and the comments, which is that it is a big fucking deal to be bugging a sitting US senators office.
But you won't address that, because you are a worthless pathetic liberal hack who has never had an original thought in the entirety of your failure of a life.
With a source like RealOnlineComments.com, it has to be real!
Matt said...
Jay
O'Keefe is an arrogant prick. If he maliciosly interferred with a phone system of a Senator he should have gotten his teeth kicked in
You have obviously not one utter clue what happened in the matter.
Note: pointing out your continued factual inaccuracies is not "defending" anyone.
Marshal
The Corn episode JUST happened. Why would any publication go after him when all the facts are not available yet? Lynch mob much?
For example: the use of the word "utter" would be a red flag to the software. [screen for further bias]. Similarly, usage of sentence-endings like "much?" would indicate premises for screening. There are probably lots of the latter. "The truth of the matter is", etc.
Siri, help!
Matt said...
Marshal
The Corn episode JUST happened. Why would any publication go after him when all the facts are not available yet?
And yet here you are defending Corn, so regardless of whether the lefty publications prove hypocritical your hypocrisy is already proven beyond question.
Lynch mob much?
Ridiculously overstate much?
Matt: "I agree wiretapping is illegal."
Your agreement is irrelevant.
Matt: "But there is no evidence exactly who tapped McConnell's office. Could have been one of his own staff for all we know at this point."
Hilariously unlikely. And do note the very quick raising of the possibility for "false flag" ops by the Republicans. Meanwhile, obvious lies like "Conservatives spat at Black dem lawmakers nd called them the "N" word as they walked between congressional office buildings was embraced immediately as "true" (to this day) despite there being about a thousand cameras and mikes open to record and listen in with absolutely no evidence of either transgression taking place.
Matt: "And when I mentioned 'dirty politics', I meant digging dirt on Judd."
LOL
But accusing Romney of not paying his taxes from the Senate floor as well as accusing him directly of murder? Uh, meh.
Having a Craig Livingstone hired by "who knows" and wandering around the West Wing with over a thousand secret FBI background check files on Republicans? Uh, meh.
Having a democrat operative couple from Florida who "just happened" to be riding in their car near Newt and a couple of Republicans on the highway in Florida and then "just happening" to tune in their specialized radio scanning equipment to pick up a Newt cell phone call and then "just happening" to have a recording device attached to the scanner and then "just happening" to turn the recorder on and "just happening" to contact a local florida dem operative who then "just happens" to tell them to send the tape to a Dem congressman in DC who then "just happens" to leak the tape to the press and then "just happens" to be let off the hook by the dems in the House as well as Clinton's Justice dept and then the couple from Florida "just happens" to get a really cool plea bargain deal/wrist slap from Clintons justice dept?
Uh, meh.
Anyone noticing a pattern here?
Of course, one would have to customize the service for different clients. "udder" would appear often on cow sites.
Matt said...
Marshal
The Corn episode JUST happened. Why would any publication go after him when all the facts are not available yet? Lynch mob much?
If it comes out that it was a staffer or someone who in the room who made the recording, that would certainly be a less problematic breach of privacy.
But unlike with Anthony Weiner, I am taking the sign that McConnell's camping is involving the FBI as a sign this was not the case.
Matt: "O'Keefe is an arrogant prick."
Just for discussion sake, what does that observation have to do with matters of Law?
Matt is trying to pull off his best "from on high (olympian)simple observer of facts and stuff" act and he just can't hold it in.
Too funny.
Marshal
How exactly am I defending Corn? Am I obligated to criticize him until I know all the facts? That's why I say 'lynch mob'. You want me to condemn Corn without any investigation whatsoever?
Personally, I could give a hoot about Corn. If you WANT me to call him names and accuse him then I can if it makes you feel better.
Anyone noticing a pattern here?
Yes.
Matt, in a breathtaking bit of a lack of self-awareness, is demanding that James O'Keefe be denounced (and he's threatening him, the tough guy he is!), while furrowing his brow and wondering why everyone is criticizing Corn.
Oh yeah, I had forgotten how quickly Rep Weiner was able to shift "the narrative" from him sending pics of his junk to young ladies to "those darn dirty repubs did this" thru cell phone and twitter magic.
Of course, nothing says "wait till all the facts are in" quite like Diligent Dan's conjuring up false National Guard memos to falsely accuse GWBush of being AWOL!
The Matt and the other go: Uh, meh.
Of course, if nothing else, after the GWBush National Guard memo incident at least 1 acquaintance of mine, a life long dem (former president of his college democrats club) turned republican when I pointed out that since just about every naval air reservist had rescheduled drills and almost all who were currently in non-flying reservist billets had allowed their flight physcials to lapse (due to timing of drills), that according to the dems, those guys/gals were all AWOL!!!
LOL
Drago
Read this:
http://www.fbi.gov/neworleans/press-releases/2010/no052610b.htm
Here's the headline:
Four Men Plead Guilty to Entering Federal Property Under False Pretenses
That's all the law I need to understand regarding O'Keefe. Do you understand?
Matt: "Am I obligated to criticize him until I know all the facts?"
LOL
And yet you call O'keefe an arrogant prick and then fully demonstrate that you have not real clue as to what the actual facts are for that incident.
But hey, you're all about facts and stuff.
As someone on the left here in the "modern age", if you were really concerned simply about facts and stuff, you might be the first.
so Matt - you are outraged! over OKeefe, but not at all outraged that someone bugged and illegally recorded something from a sitting senator's office?
Cognitive dissonance anyone?
Drago
You just proved you cannot read or comprehend. Congrats.
Matt said...
How exactly am I defending Corn?
You're attacking those criticizing him, that's defending him.
Am I obligated to criticize him until I know all the facts?
Only if you prefer not to be recognized as a hypocrite. The fact that the recording was made without the authorization of those being recorded is not disputed by Corn or anyone else. What "fact" do you think you're waiting for?
Sloppy thinking reveals you're just looking for excuses rather than honestly evaluating the facts.
Matt at 3:46pm: Here's the headline:
Four Men Plead Guilty to Entering Federal Property Under False Pretenses
That's all the law I need to understand regarding O'Keefe. Do you understand?"
LOL
Matt at 3:19: "You are aware that O'Keefe was once arrested for allegedly wiretapping the New Orleans office of Democrat Sen. Mary Landrieu?"
LOL
Well, now, what was O'keefe guilty of again, "facts"-boy?
Wiretapping or the misdemeanor entering under "false pretenses"?
Did you know that the prosecution NEVER even presented ANY "evidence" or testimony to the effect that O'keefe was attempting to "wiretap" Landrieus office?
I mean, you DID know that, didn't you?
I mean, you are ALL about facts and stuff, right?
And about letting the facts play out, right?
I mean, you wouldn't want to be seen to be inconsistent on that, would you? I mean, since it's clearly such a strong "principle" with you?
LOL
Given that Matt is a self-proclaimed lover of "let the facts play out" before we say anything, to what can attribute his eager willingness to raise an arrest assertion of wiretapping even after the entire proceedings have ALREADY played out and it was shown that wiretapping was not even in the realm of prosecutorial possibilities?
LOL
Do YOU understand now Matt?
I'm thinking.....probably not.
You are definitely a candidate for the "garage mahal "consistency" and "accuracy" award"!!
AprilApple
They should bug EVERY Republican senator. But it would be boring to listen to their conversations. Most likely they would only talk about how much they hate the black guy in the White House and how terrible gays and women and minorites are.
# ; ^ )
Four Men Plead Guilty to Entering Federal Property Under False Pretenses
Get O'Keefe a Pulitzer!
AprilApple said...
so Matt - you are outraged! over OKeefe, but not at all outraged that someone bugged and illegally recorded something from a sitting senator's office?
Of course.
That is what silly leftists do
Matt - thanks for removing all doubt that you're just an total idiot.
So Matt, You have no problem with democrats breaking the law as long as it's a win for your corrupt side?
garage: "Get O'Keefe a Pulitzer!"
Speaking of Pulitzers, and we were, we should all take a moment right now to make a special note that the Pulitzer prize awarded to Walter Duranty of the New York Times still hangs proudly in the entrance to the venerable New York Times building in NYC.
What did Walter Duranty do to earn his Pulitzer?
Oh, nothing much, other than purposely lying for years to help the Soviets cover up mass murder.
You know, mass murder.
Walter Duranty: Liberal and Journalistic hero.
And his plaque still hangs proudly today.
The left: you cannot make this stuff up with them.
Matt: "They should bug EVERY Republican senator. But it would be boring to listen to their conversations. Most likely they would only talk about how much they hate the black guy in the White House and how terrible gays and women and minorites are."
I wonder what we would hear in Dem senators offices relating to Clarence Thomas, Dr Ben Carson, the Log Cabin Republicans, Margaret Thatcher/Kay Baily Hutchison......ok, you get the idea.
We certainly already know what they think of Marco Rubio.
I mean, can you imagine how pissed the dems get whenever anyone escapes Castro's "paradise" in cuba?
Well, their insults towards Rubio probably don't count because Rubio is just a "white hispanic".
I'm still waiting to hear from "Just the facts"-Matt why he was so willing to bring up an alleged arrest citation without actually indicating that the charge he referenced was shown to be utterly bogus after all the facts had played out?
I mean, Matt, why would someone as intellectual and principled and objective as you do that?
Perhaps because....you are none of those things?
Drago
Not sure where you are getting your facts? Here's what a NY Times article says from 5/26/10:
The conservative provocateur James O’Keefe and three other men pleaded guilty in federal court on Wednesday to a misdemeanor in a scheme in which they posed as telephone repairmen in Senator Mary L. Landrieu’s New Orleans office.
Magistrate Daniel Knowles III, ..., sentenced Mr. O’Keefe, 25, to three years of probation, 100 hours of community service and a $1,500 fine.
You're saying this sentence was reversed upon appeal? Or didn't really happen this way? If true then please provide a link. Note this is not about ACORN. This was regarding Landrieu.
Well, it's been fun.
Gotta run to a productive capitalist meeting with my productive capitalist client.
I haven't been charged yet with the "crime" of "engaging in capitalism", but for the garages of the world hope springs eternal!
I can always rest easy knowing that good solid salt-of-the-earth "just the facts" folks like Matt will surely come to my defense when the charges against me prove false.
Right?
Drago
Thank you for admitting that I was right and that I won the debate. [Cause I did].
Appreciate that candor and honesty from you. Carry on....
Matt, I have made perfectly clear what I'm talking about and you are continuing your hilariously pathetic obfuscation.
YOU raised the arrest allegation against o'keefe of "wiretapping" a senators office.
YOU made a big deal about "waiting for all the facts to come out" regarding the incident in O'Connells office.
I pointed out the ridiculous inconsistency in that the o'keefe incident played out and that the prosecution presented NO EVIDENCE and DID NOT CHARGE o'keefe with wiretapping.
Instead, as I mentioned, the plea was for a misdemeanor charge of "entering under false pretenses".
You then triple down on stupid by posting a link which only references the misdemeanor nature of what the plea was while "curiously" neglecting to paste the fact that it was entering under false pretenses and NOT wiretapping.
Hmmmmmm, thanks for so aptly demonstrating your hackishness.
Still not up to garages standards, but there's hope.
"Attorney J. Garrison Jordan denied the four men were trying to disable or wiretap the phones in Sen. Mary Landrieu’s office at a federal building in New Orleans.
"You’re dealing with kids," he said. "I don’t think they thought it through that far."
LOL.
Matt: "Drago
Thank you for admitting that I was right and that I won the debate. [Cause I did].
Appreciate that candor and honesty from you. Carry on...."
LOL
BTW Matt, I purposely posted my adios a little "early" to see what you would do, and you did not disappoint little boy.
You did not disappoint!
Gee Matt, even garage is laughing at you since even he, with his learning disabilities, was able to quickly locate information that demonstrate that O'keefe was not wiretapping.
Man, when garage is correcting you and laughing at you at the same time, well, it's not. really. good.
garage: ""I don’t think they thought it through that far."
Hmmm, speaking of not thinking things thru, and we were, do you think garage would perhaps study just a bit harder if he was given a second chance to go back thru school at a trailer-infested campus?
I wonder if garage regrets not caring enough about education to try and improve himself?
Drago
LOL, this HAS been fun. I'll grant you that. Look, it's pretty obvious that O'Keefe was up to no good. Petty little misdemeanor or not. Thanks for drilling me until the facts were correct!
And look, if Corn is guilty in some way then he deserves to serve the time or pay the fine. I won't defend him. Dirty politics is one thing, crime is another.
Drago
Actually, I am pretty sure garage was laughing at the quote he cited that claimed that O'Keefe was merely a kid who wouldn't think things through that far. That is a pretty naive statement. O'Keefe isn't merely a prankster.
I'm sure O'Keefe and his troupe of misfits were just posing as telephone repairmen and wanted to gain access to Landrieu's phone system as part of some sort public service to the community!
Having a democrat operative couple from Florida who "just happened" to be riding in their car near Newt and a couple of Republicans on the highway in Florida and then "just happening" to tune in their specialized radio scanning equipment to pick up a Newt cell phone call and then "just happening" to have a recording device attached to the scanner and then "just happening" to turn the recorder on and "just happening" to contact a local florida dem operative who then "just happens" to tell them to send the tape to a Dem congressman in DC who then "just happens" to leak the tape to the press and then "just happens" to be let off the hook by the dems in the House as well as Clinton's Justice dept and then the couple from Florida "just happens" to get a really cool plea bargain deal/wrist slap from Clintons justice dept?
I had forgotten about this. That rotten piece of shit McDermott had to cough up over a million over that little stunt.
The Progressive caucus must be so proud.
garage: "I'm sure O'Keefe and his troupe of misfits were just posing as telephone repairmen and wanted to gain access to Landrieu's phone system as part of some sort public service to the community!"
Well, I'm sure that NBC news personnel placing explosives on trucks to ensure the gas tanks exploded (you know, to "help the truth along.....") was some sort of public service.
The left and the trial lawyers certainly thought so.
I'm sure that forging Military documents to sabotage the reelection chances of GW Bush was in the public interest.
The left STILL believes that.
But, since garage has brought up the "public service" angle, now would be a good time to ask: what was okeefe attempting to do?
What was he attempting to "expose"?
The short story: At the time of the health care debate, landrieu constituents were claiming they could not get thru to the Senators office. The senators staff were making technical excuses as to why that was.
okeefe and his pals were attempting to show this was untrue.
An ok explanation from the Wash Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/27/AR2010012702917.html?hpid=topnews
So, it looks as though there WAS a public service component to the "sting" operation.
If okeefe had pulled it on a republican, he probably would have been nominated for an award.
LOL
I probably should have ended my last posting with: "And now, you know...the..rest...of...the story"
"It's OK, everybody...Mother Jones reporters were dressed as pimps at the time..."
Drago
Thank you for clarifying which federal law O'Keefe broke and what he plead guilt to. That's a public service to conservatives who want to defend O'Keefe from such terrible attacks against his fine upstanding character.
machine said...
"It's OK, everybody...Mother Jones reporters were dressed as pimps at the time..."
Looks like another braindead leftard got the same wrong talking point that Bitchtits was peddling earlier.
As extensively discussed above, the pimp outfit was related to the Acorn incident, not the Landrieu incident.
Although neither had any wiretapping, but why let facts get in the way of the left's latest narrative?
Much like Fatty, Machine probably didn't make it past high school (if even that far.)
No word on how many failed marriages machine has had, however.
I had forgotten about this one:
"For the uninitiated, then-CNN correspondent Abbie Boudreau (now with ABC News) reported, last September, that, based on documents and eyewitness accounts, James O’Keefe had planned to lure her onto a boat filled with sex toys and hidden cameras. The plan called for the boat to set sail with O’Keefe and Boudreau aboard, so that the reporter would be unable to escape, at which point O’Keefe would try to “seduce” her. The plan called for the “prank” to end with Boudreau in tears, begging to be let off of the boat."
That's Pulitzer stuff right there.
Then there is the "innocent intercept" of Newt Gingrich's cell phone call on which he discussed strategy on how to fight the ethics charges against him by Sen. David Bonier. A retired Florida couple, John and Alice Martin (with direct ties to the Democratic Party), had to have very sophisticated equipment to follow a call through numerous cell towers. Back in the mid-1990's that equipment could not be purchased at Radio Shack. Newt's cell calls were being continuously monitored. David Clymer at the NYT wrote it up which in the end, resulted in a $300,000 fine and end of Newt's political career.
So the the Pulitzer Committee has slightly higher standards than the Nobel Peace committee, whats your fucking point oh Bitchtits the Uneducated?
Breitbart: O'Keefe "is already well on his way to being one of the great journalists" and deserves a Pulitzer.
Hannity: O'Keefe is a "pioneer in journalism."
O'Reilly: "Frank and Conyers should be giving Ms. Giles and Mr. O'Keefe congressional medals."
Michael Flynn agrees O'Keefe is a hero, says O'Keefe is owed "an apology and also a thank you for rooting out these employees."
Coulter: O'Keefe and Giles are "so magnificent."
Lowry: O'Keefe deserves "award for impactful guerilla journalism."
Examiner.com's Dupray: "Looks like a Pulitzer might be in order."
Wallace featured "fascinating character" O'Keefe as "Power Player of the Week."
This reminds me of the guy who said that if you are "really looking at every possible solution to a negotiation, 'why don't we just kill him' needs to at least be mentioned, even if it is just to dismiss it. Otherwise, you're not really thinking of every possible solution."
This is no different than the strategy that went on Obama campaign reminding us that McCain was old and Romney was different; it would've been kind of awkward, I'm sure, to see how the sausage of attack ads are made for either side.
So when O'Keefe does something idiotic the left criticizes O'Keefe. And when some idiot lefty does something similar they also criticize O'Keefe.
Apparently this is the lefty version of balance.
If only O'Keefe had gored some Republican oxes, he could be the next Ezra Klein.
"Matt: "But there is no evidence exactly who tapped McConnell's office. Could have been one of his own staff for all we know at this point.""
Something Ace had up suggested that this might be illegal in Kentucky (?) as well. Wiretapping would be a Federal law? But there are possibly state laws that apply. I have no idea what they might be. In some places it's illegal to record someone without their knowledge, isn't it?
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