Althouse: "He can be a serious presidential candidate because he represents a segment of Republicanism that hasn’t had a voice."

April 27, 2013

"He can be a serious presidential candidate because he represents a segment of Republicanism that hasn’t had a voice."

"But he can’t just be a neater package of his dad — that won’t work. He needs to convey his own domestic and foreign vision, and continue to overcome the kook factor, which he inherited."

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: How can anyone attack or defend a thing that has no definition? How can something be a dogma if no one knows what it is?

Not only that, but if a tree falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? And ALSO, what is the sound of one hand clapping?

Enough with the Taoism 101 bullshit. I thought we moved on from this ridiculous quibble already.; 4/27/13, 7:05 PM
cubanbob said...: Yes Ritmo those evil capitalist republicans are sitting on those obscene cash hoards while they wait for the country to come to its senses in 2014 and 2016. They are hopping that once the country comes to its senses and removes the disincentives to growth they once again do what they do best and invest. In the meantime they are doing what is sensible for their businesses and keeping their powder dry. I know it's hard for you to understand but businesses exist to make money for their owners and not to bankroll social spending.; 4/27/13, 7:15 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Yes Ritmo those evil capitalist republicans are sitting on those obscene cash hoards while they wait for the country to come to its senses in 2014 and 2016. They are hopping that once the country comes to its senses and removes the disincentives to growth they once again do what they do best and invest.

Not evil. (Well, not most and not completely evil, anyway). Just greedy pussies who are used to having a lot of sunshine blown up their asses and being sweet-talked into thinking it's the government's job to goose demand to the point of relying on artificial bubbles as a primary mechanism of growth.

That will no longer happen. Grow your own speculation bubble and in the meantime leave the people who are fine with astronomical growth to the legitimate drivers of it: Technology. And other industries based in the sort of science that Republican'ts like you hate.; 4/27/13, 7:20 PM
Rusty said...: Cubanbob
You're arguing with the economic intellectual equivalent of a a 5 year old girls soccer team.
funny as hell to watch unless you're their coach.; 4/27/13, 7:28 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: That's funny, Rusty - considering that your "star athlete" didn't know the difference between a political argument against the employment of state workers and the fact that employment increases demand regardless and has in every other recovery.

Other than that, a fully respectable attempt at chest-beating.; 4/27/13, 7:33 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Anyone else as disappointed as I am in Jay's disappearance from the thread without so much as an attempt to explain what he sees as a "contradiction" between low demand and high profits?; 4/27/13, 7:50 PM
Unknown said...: Another Ritmo thread reaches 200. I hope there's a way to charge him for having this much fun.; 4/27/13, 8:00 PM
furious_a said...: One would think that, in a nation of 300M+ people, we get a break from...

BUSH, CLINTON, CLINTON, BUSH, BUSH, CLINT...oops, (maybe) CLINTON or BUSH.; 4/27/13, 8:09 PM
garage mahal said...: BUSH, CLINTON, CLINTON, BUSH, BUSH, CLINT...oops, (maybe) CLINTON or BUSH.

Not much daylight between any of them. Including Obama.; 4/27/13, 8:17 PM
garage mahal said...: And we'll probably never see a Rand Paul or an Alan Grayson get through the primaries because the party bosses will never allow it.; 4/27/13, 8:20 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Nope. But go buy something off the portal wyo sis and Amazon will subsidize it! ;-)

It's funny that you blame me for the fact that a lot of Althouse worshippers seem to like arguing with me. Why not blame them?; 4/27/13, 8:28 PM
cubanbob said...: That will no longer happen. Grow your own speculation bubble and in the meantime leave the people who are fine with astronomical growth to the legitimate drivers of it: Technology. And other industries based in the sort of science that Republican'ts like you hate.

Speculation bubbles are a federal reserve specialty. Necessary for growth and funding of government. As for astronomical growth sure in every recession and indeed depression there are a few companies, individuals and industries that do very well. Some of them even do well without crony capitalism. But those are the exceptions, not the rule. Now take away the special carve outs for Silicon Valley and watch them become rabid fiscal conservatives. Incidentally my brother-in-law owns several small high tech companies and he is as much as a conservative as I am. Paying high taxes for little benefit and thus impeding his capital formation and making it harder to self-finance his business drove him to the Dark Side. So tell us how many do you employ and if your personal tax bite goes north of 50% will you do a Bill Mahr on taxation or still remain a progressive?; 4/27/13, 8:56 PM
chickelit said...: New Chirbit: Ritmo bashes Carol (script at 11:04 AM in this thread).

Ritmo Channels Churchill; 4/27/13, 9:12 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Was that your own voice, Chickie? I feel a mix of flattery and sadness that you actually went to such lengths doing that.

Anyway, comments on what Carol said were two at most. The rest were with what others, esp. that foolhardy freak Jay, had to say - to me.; 4/27/13, 9:19 PM
chickelit said...: @Ritmo: I did it in two takes. It took less than 5 minutes. I stumbled over my scotch and cigar the first time.

I recorded a bunch of other voices here; 4/27/13, 9:25 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Bill Maher remains progressive on taxation. As will I. I'm not sure what you're smoking. We pay more for the burdens of a faulty and spotty and inadequate safety net otherwise. Maher and I both like having our meat inspected and our air traffic well controlled, and our streets empty of thugs whom the state didn't care to provide with better opportunities. And if your total burden on income surpasses 50%, you obviously have to take that up with your own state. The top federal rate remains below 40%. Keep the capital gains rate below 20% if you can, encourage individual investment. And accept the fact that prior to instituting a central bank and the regulations of FDR boom-and-bust cycles were not only more frequent, but more devastating. I'm sure your brother would have loved investing in the gold rush of 1848. Good thing the closest thing we have to ghost towns nowadays are the meth havens of Red State America.

You about done with this yet, Cuban Bob?; 4/27/13, 9:28 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Cool, Chick. Sounds like an interesting pastime. I used to like doing impressions also.; 4/27/13, 9:29 PM
Unknown said...: It's the unaware self-aggrandizing that's so amusing to toy with. Ritmo is a thing of beauty and a joy forever in his own twisted way. I think I'll buy a John D MacDonald book in his honor. Travis would have a great time with Ritmo.I give Trav two sentences to demolish the little asswipe. Maybe one.; 4/27/13, 9:42 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: I'm still trying to find out what Ritmo means by 'voodoo economics'.
I've discovered that GHW Bush used the term, once, in a speech that he gave at Carnegie-Mellon in April of 1980, and that he used it w/o connecting it specifically to Reagan or his proposed policies. I've also learned that, in 1982, GHW Bush denied using the phrase 'voodoo economics'. When he was shown a clip of him using the phrase, he said that it was meant to be a joke.
I can't find transcript of the speech anywhere.; 4/27/13, 9:48 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: It's always as fun as it is predictable to watch wyo use psychobabble to confirm her own frame of reference while observing me - i.e. her completely warped and f*&^ed up family. That's very special. As is watching her sucking the dick of an obscure writer of mystery fiction. Because, hey, you know, I'm not that guy.

If Amazon ever invents a human face-palm I believe the covered mug will be wyo's.; 4/27/13, 9:49 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: You go ahead and keep looking, Terry. Wyo likes mysteries -- maybe you can "join forces" with her.

Go on Amazon together and look at purchasing that old 1970s series In Search Of. Leonard Nimoy looks at all sorts of fascinating stuff on there. From ancient astronauts and aliens to Lord knows what else. It'll be fun.

GHW Bush sends his regards.; 4/27/13, 9:52 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: I think that every person, regardless of their political views, who believes 'x is anti-science!' should explain what qualifies them to judge whether someone or some group is or is not 'anti-science'.

Example: "Sarah Palin is anti-science, and you can trust me on that because I attended the Columbia School of Journalism!"; 4/27/13, 9:53 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: Or maybe "Republicans are anti-science and you can trust me on that because I starred in the 1989 film "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death!"; 4/27/13, 9:56 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: No they shouldn't Terry. Sane people think it's ok to accept that when biologists, NASA, economists, overwhelmingly declare the evidence for evolution, AGW, or Keynesianism respectively to be beyond a reasonable doubt, it's safe to judge their assessment as sound.

It should be incumbent upon the iconoclast to prove not only that he isn't an utter ignoramus on the subject, but that he has evidence that can change that assessment. He shouldn't proclaim peer-reviewed publication and the rigors that entails to be beneath him.

We don't throw out jury verdicts based on what one lone internet denizen says, either. We don't overthrow governments based on the designs of a singe, single-mindedly misanthropic malcontent, either.

What you need to do is to stop elevating the Ted Kaczynskis of intellectualism. Yes, you resent the knowledgeable. No, your pretensions to insights don't surpass their actual understanding.; 4/27/13, 10:00 PM
Unknown said...: There is a powerful intellect behind Ritmo's thinking. It's astounding to watch him transform a small somewhat admiring comment into a desire to suck dick on his part all neatly wrapped as an imagined insult to me. Face-palm indeed. Face plant is more accurate. I've paid for this little self-revelation on Ritmo's part by using the portal. Let's see if Rigmo is as generous.; 4/27/13, 10:09 PM
chickelit said...: Winston Ritmo sez: We don't throw out jury verdicts based on what one lone internet denizen says, either.

Many jury verdicts (especially in capital cases) must be unanimous. We don't convict and execute if there is a reasonable doubt.

Likewise, we shouldn't convict and execute a carbon-based economy without unanimity.; 4/27/13, 10:10 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I consider your projection of your sick family dynamic onto me, wyo, to be beyond insulting. I've known at least a couple narcissists and I consider them to be grotesquely lacking in humanity. Perhaps this shortcut from taking your own burden in stride is convenient to you, but my job is to make it harder. It's not right.

That having been said, if Althouse wants to monetize my (or anyone else's) participation here, she and Yoko are free to do it. They don't know if I use the portal, and they've made it a policy not to care. And as I told them many times before, if they want to stop favoring presumptuous, consensus reactionary opinion at the expense of needed dissents to that, then I'll be more than happy to change the tone of my comments.; 4/27/13, 10:15 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Chick: Juries have a limited number of participants whose identities are agreed to beforehand according to the counsel of the parties involved.; 4/27/13, 10:18 PM
Unknown said...: Please Ritmo,
Never change. We need you. You are the powerful motivator we need. God has a purpose for you. Don't fight it. Go with the flow. See the light? It's shining just for you and for the great service you provide. I'm honored to pay for your valuable dissent.
So humbles to be in the shadow of your greatness.; 4/27/13, 10:20 PM
Unknown said...: humbled; 4/27/13, 10:20 PM
Unknown said...: All future monetization on this site by me is in honor of the great and powerful Ritmo. In honor of his continual self-revelation.
It's epic.; 4/27/13, 10:22 PM
chickelit said...: Chick: Juries have a limited number of participants whose identities are agreed to beforehand according to the counsel of the parties involved.

Yes. But that's not responsive to my insistence on unanimity. You are arguing from consensus, with little to no regard for dissent.; 4/27/13, 10:26 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Keep sucking the dick of your narcissist brother-in-law, wyo, whose ego is protected from your contempt and resentment by your unburdened projection of the pain he makes you feel onto unknown people on the internet.; 4/27/13, 10:26 PM
chickelit said...: This blog would be nothing without ritmo. Althouse should recognize this immediately.

Someone go wake her.; 4/27/13, 10:27 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Chick: Knowledgeable dissent is fine. Proudly ignorant dissent is stupid.

I'll continue pointing that out for as long as it needs to be heard.; 4/27/13, 10:28 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Althouse doesn't give a damn about wyo's sucking of her brother-in-law's dick, Chick. You might be trying to be funny, but wyo - underneath her anguish - knows it's anything but.

She's dealing with it the wrong way, so unless you'd like to perpetuate that, you're not helping.; 4/27/13, 10:30 PM
chickelit said...: @ritmo: You comparison to litigation is interesting. For example, full disclosure regarding real parties of interest should be disclosed. On the one side we have carbon-based industries; on the other we have self-perpetuating Federal grant machines.; 4/27/13, 10:32 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: Speaking of 'keynesianism', Ritmo, is there an economist named 'Keynes' whose first two names aren't 'John' and 'Maynard'? Because I can't see where JM Keynes advised raising taxes during a recession.; 4/27/13, 10:32 PM
chickelit said...: @Ritmo: I wasn't so much riffing on Wyo Sis's comments as the absurd juxtaposition of your two paragraphs (stripped of their clutter):

I've known at least a couple narcissists and I consider them to be grotesquely lacking in humanity.

+

And as I told them many times before, if they want to stop favoring presumptuous, consensus reactionary opinion at the expense of needed dissents to that, then I'll be more than happy to change the tone of my comments.

= hilarity; 4/27/13, 10:37 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Because I can't see where JM Keynes advised raising taxes during a recession.

He didn't. Both raising taxes and cutting spending are not advised during recession - even though one has technically ended.

The point is that Republicans don't care a fig about either because banging on the debt drum during a recession is the wrong time to do it. They wanted to prolong economic calamity for political purposes - to give Obama the blame, and to lessen their discredit for the nearly 30 years of Republican neoliberal economic policy cliches ending in a global financial crisis.

So yammer on about debt they must. The opposition is just calling their bluff on it. That's fine; it's politics. And the worst of the calamity is over now anyway, so it's better timing economically.; 4/27/13, 10:38 PM
chickelit said...: Because I can't see where JM Keynes advised raising taxes during a recession.

Keynes didn't hold a personal grudging animus towards the wealthy whereas Obama does. Obama is not a "Keynesian" --he's a vindictive prick.; 4/27/13, 10:40 PM
Unknown said...: I just can't figure out why Ritmo is so obsessed with my brother-in-lwa's dick. Do they know each other from the narcissist meetings?; 4/27/13, 10:41 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: And as I told them many times before, if they want to stop favoring presumptuous, consensus reactionary opinion at the expense of needed dissents to that, then I'll be more than happy to change the tone of my comments.

How is this a narcissistic comment?

You are sounding ridiculous. And don't forget your difficulty in understanding social situations before deciding how to answer. You've just spent a few rounds stating that scientific ignorance is a way of encouraging some kind of rightful dissent, went so far as to compare it to jury nullification - and by a non-juror at that!

A narcissist wouldn't have graciously, and without insult but sincerely, engaged that little bit of lunacy on your part for as long as I did.; 4/27/13, 10:41 PM
Unknown said...: law's

Damn iPad.; 4/27/13, 10:42 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Do they know each other from the narcissist meetings?

Narcissists don't go to "meetings" wyo as they consider their disease to be a sign of superiority.

If you weren't as stupid as you are insincere, you'd know this. But who knows? Maybe you were wrong about him, too.

Maybe the problem is you. Maybe you don't know how to handle much of anything at all. Maybe what is and is not your fault is a judgment call that you're just not capable of making.

Go read your little grown-up Hardy Boys thing.; 4/27/13, 10:44 PM
Unknown said...: Wow. That was fun.
Thanks for playing Ritmo.; 4/27/13, 10:45 PM
chickelit said...: And as I told them many times before, if they want to stop favoring presumptuous, consensus reactionary opinion at the expense of needed dissents to that, then I'll be more than happy to change the tone of my comments.

How is this a narcissistic comment?

If I were Althouse, I would ask "exactly who is this 'ritmo' person and why does he suggest I change my blog for him?'; 4/27/13, 10:46 PM
chickelit said...: @ritmo: Do you see the assumed self-importance in your comments when considered together?

And if there is someone else here lurking who doesn't see this besides ritmo, please speak up.; 4/27/13, 10:51 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: If I were Althouse, I would ask "exactly who is this 'ritmo' person and why does he suggest I change my blog for him?

I am not making a personal request, but a request on behalf of all the empirically unchallenged, non right-of Genghis Khan readers who would enjoy allowing more respect for those viewpoints generally. It's safe to say they are favored by not just myself, but taken together, a good majority of people.

Althouse gets carried away in showcasing the extent to which perceptions can be warped. It's interesting, but that's actually a narcissistic trait. And it's what drove our buddy Trooper York, a non-scientist, non-lefty away from this space as well.

I think that's evidence enough that there's something amiss with this approach, despite its strengths.

Althouse is not known in the blogosphere for having thick skin. In a debate over whether one is a narcissist, you might want to consider that also.; 4/27/13, 10:52 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: @ritmo: Do you see the assumed self-importance in your comments when considered together?

No. I think I raise empirical or rational objections to people who unfortunately invest their political identity into ignoring both.

If hey are consistent and repetitive that is because the denials of them are also.; 4/27/13, 10:55 PM
Unknown said...: And after the buzzer too!; 4/27/13, 10:57 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 4/27/13, 10:57 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Shorter Pollo:

"Being knowledgeable is a narcissistic thing to do."; 4/27/13, 11:02 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Pollo:

Which is more narcissistic: Being rational or being knowledgeable?

I'm really curious to know what your answer to that is.

Please do not be too self-important to answer my humble request.; 4/27/13, 11:03 PM
chickelit said...: Ritmo told Wyo Sis: Keep sucking the dick of your narcissist brother-in-law, wyo, whose ego is protected from your contempt and resentment by your unburdened projection of the pain he makes you feel onto unknown people on the internet.

Wow. I don't even know the context of that or the insight involved on ritmo's part but I really want to voice him saying as Hannibal Lector talking to Clarice.; 4/27/13, 11:05 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: The character of Lecter was a genius who had other problems. His FBI questioner didn't seem to find him unperceptive.

In any event, wyo's problems are not mine. Her projection of her problems onto me seem a bit narcissistic, though.

Also, autistic means self-involved. It's more of a perceptual problem than a personality issue, but the leap from that to seeming narcissistic isn't hard to make. I'll leave it at that.; 4/27/13, 11:09 PM
chickelit said...: Being rational or being knowledgeable?

Being knowledgable sounds more narcissistic because it connotes reflecting or projecting being knowledgable--like a teacher interfacing with students. For example, we don't say he/she was a knowledgable researcher; the purpose of the research is to gather knowledge.

Rational sounds less narcissistic.

Calling oneself either though has little value because narcissists don't generally recognize it in themselves.; 4/27/13, 11:12 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Being knowledgable sounds more narcissistic because it connotes reflecting or projecting being knowledgable--like a teacher interfacing with students. For example, we don't say he/she was a knowledgable researcher; the purpose of the research is to gather knowledge.

If someone brings verified, valid facts (as understood by those familiar with them) to a debate where they did not exist before, then we call that person knowledgeable. The researcher of the facts becomes knowledgeable and we don't denigrate that knowledge by comparing it to the lack of such knowledge by someone who would still debate the issue without them.

Calling oneself either though has little value because narcissists don't generally recognize it in themselves.

Don't recognize what? Are you saying that recognizing knowledge that others lack (or simply new facts in general) makes one narcissistic? If that's the case then you are obviously anti-science, because you have declared it a personality disorder to discover and/or disseminate findings that others haven't found.; 4/27/13, 11:16 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I'm not sure if this is a narcissistic thing to say (or, at least, self-involved), but right now I'm making some farts that smell like Chinese food. I'm not sure why.

This has never happened before.; 4/27/13, 11:19 PM
chickelit said...: If someone brings verified, valid facts (as understood by those familiar with them) to a debate where they did not exist before, then we call that person knowledgeable. The researcher of the facts becomes knowledgeable and we don't denigrate that knowledge by comparing it to the lack of such knowledge by someone who would still debate the issue without them.

This augments what I said without contradicting it.

Don't recognize what?

narcissism.

Are you saying that recognizing knowledge that others lack (or simply new facts in general) makes one narcissistic?

No. Lacking self-perception as perceived by others makes one a narcissist.

A second "invisible" person standing obliquely beside the pool in which Narcissus saw his reflection was needed to tell the story [omniscient author device]. Narcissus didn't live to tell the story. That was an important point of the story which is implicit in the story's structure, i.e., it wasn't self-authored. It's true today. Narcissists can't "see" themselves as others do.

If that's the case then you are obviously anti-science, because you have declared it a personality disorder to discover and/or disseminate findings that others haven't found.

That's not the case, so I reject it outright.; 4/27/13, 11:36 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: The point is that Republicans don't care a fig about either because banging on the debt drum during a recession is the wrong time to do it. They wanted to prolong economic calamity for political purposes - to give Obama the blame, and to lessen their discredit for the nearly 30 years of Republican neoliberal economic policy cliches ending in a global financial crisis.

Keynes gave a few reasons why a "keynesian stimulus" might not work to 'unstick' wages and prices and so end a business-cycle recession (or sustained low growth). One was that if consumers are 'forward looking', they will reduce their spending when the government engages in deficit spending. 'Forward looking' consumers do this in anticipation of tax increases to pay for the deficit spending.
A second reason a keynesian stimulus may not work to lower unemployment is that the unemployment may be structural, rather than related to the business cycle.
I don't think that Keynes ever considered the 'Ritmo reason' that an economic downturn will not respond to stimulus: the GOP will hate the president with white-hot rage and so screw themselves over just to make him mad.; 4/27/13, 11:38 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: This augments what I said without contradicting it.

No it doesn't. It only augments what by now is obvious as your elevation of ignorance as a form of moral superiority.

Are you saying that recognizing knowledge that others lack (or simply new facts in general) makes one narcissistic?

No. Lacking self-perception as perceived by others makes one a narcissist.

That's ridiculous. Autistic people often lack insight into themselves as well. Blind people cannot see what they look like. A deaf person cannot hear oneself. And so on. None are narcissists.

Narcissists, as a disorder (not that I can assume you're interested as you've declared above that the possession of facts is a morally suspect act), has a number of criteria that must be met, an obvious and rather unique one of which would be lack of empathy toward others.

A second "invisible" person standing obliquely beside the pool in which Narcissus saw his reflection was needed to tell the story [omniscient author device]. Narcissus didn't live to tell the story. That was an important point of the story which is implicit in the story's structure, i.e., it wasn't self-authored. It's true today. Narcissists can't "see" themselves as others do.

As Lecter would say, that's incidental. Read the DSM. Stop fearing facts, you factlessness promoter.

"If that's the case then you are obviously anti-science, because you have declared it a personality disorder to discover and/or disseminate findings that others haven't found."

That's not the case, so I reject it outright.

Ah, but it is - as we can amply see above. You are anti-fact and declare the possession of accurate facts, or of facts more accurate than what another has, to be morally bad.

You fixate on things, but are still anti-fact. One cannot be anti-fact and pro-science - it is a tautological impossibility.

And it explains you well, though.

I appreciate this opportunity you've provided to be a sort of guinea pig into the mind of an anti-science right-winger. It is, at the least, interesting. (Being sad about it you would perceive as an insult, so I won't do that).; 4/27/13, 11:43 PM
Palladian said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 4/27/13, 11:44 PM
Palladian said...: I love your impersonations, chick.

I did some "renditions" of various Althouse commenters a few years ago:

Titvs

The "Jeremy" Incarnation of the Entity called Gene.

Another of the "Jeremy" Incarnation of the Entity called Gene.

and finally, one of a commenter we used to have called Montana Urban Legend, whose avatar was a picture of a fine Bubo virginianus...; 4/27/13, 11:44 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Consumers were pretty much the opposite of "forward looking" from 2008 onward.

I don't dispute the assertion that there can also be structural issues at play in the current unemployment numbers.

Yes, Keynes never anticipated that a political party would be so craven in its goals as to engage in economic malfeasance just to have the chance of discrediting another party's presidential candidate (even if they risked discrediting themselves, equally). But it was and remains a surprise to even me.

But there is no other way to conclude otherwise, I'm sorry to say.; 4/27/13, 11:49 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I remember Palladian's recording. I'm sorry to say, Chick, that I found it and still find it quite a bit funnier. ;-)

And his taste in nature appreciation has grown, which is also a good thing.; 4/27/13, 11:51 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I think the music backgrounds really add to it.; 4/27/13, 11:52 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I'll clarify: Chick believes the dissemination of facts to be morally wrong if doing so distracts others from pointing out that the person should really be engaging in self-reflection instead.; 4/27/13, 11:54 PM
Palladian said...: It's a long way from Montana to Rio, al ritmo de un búho...; 4/27/13, 11:55 PM
Palladian said...: I've long been an owl fanatic.; 4/27/13, 11:55 PM
Palladian said...: The one of Cedarford as William S Burroughs is hilarious.; 4/27/13, 11:56 PM
Palladian said...: There was a wicked messenger
From Eli he did come
With a mind that multiplied
The smallest matter...; 4/27/13, 11:58 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Owls are awesome. I don't know nearly as much about them though as I like.

I remember a Xerox ad a few years back that had three species (along with a horned owl and a barn owl, can't remember the third) depicting how well they could be visualized through various forms of color overlay. I don't know why, but I found it entrancing.

Palladian you should hang out more. I'm always curious to know what new things you're up to in the kitchen, artistically, or just on the consumer products front.; 4/27/13, 11:59 PM
chickelit said...: @Palladian: Great links!
There's a second and third page on that chirbit page I linked. There are a couple Titus recordings there as Paul Lynde.; 4/27/13, 11:59 PM
Palladian said...: The hipsters are really getting into owls so I presently have to keep my obsession hidden.; 4/28/13, 12:00 AM
Palladian said...: Chick, I just got to that one. Very, very good! I like the Serling ones too. You catch the timbre of your impersonation subjects very accurately.; 4/28/13, 12:02 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: The one of Cedarford as William S Burroughs is hilarious.

I'm liking that one as well.; 4/28/13, 12:03 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I hate it when hipsters imitate me. I'm usually a few years ahead of them on their trends.; 4/28/13, 12:04 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Inga Zone is fun, too.; 4/28/13, 12:05 AM
Palladian said...: Palladian you should hang out more. I'm always curious to know what new things you're up to in the kitchen, artistically, or just on the consumer products front.

I've not been up to much. I got forced out of my long-term loft at the end of February, and since then I've been temporarily existing in grim but conveniently-located digs, and most of my life is in storage, including the majority of my studio, my perfumery lab and my batterie de cuisine.; 4/28/13, 12:05 AM
Palladian said...: My stint in my temporary location is going to come to an end next month, after that, I don't know what the future will hold.

Carpe diem.; 4/28/13, 12:07 AM
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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: You can't go homeless, man. That would suck. Isn't there some way to find more stable accommodations? Friends/neighbors/relatives? I almost feel like mailing a check...; 4/28/13, 12:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Palladian, you know the way to a man's heart is through his stomach;); 4/28/13, 12:10 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Chirbit reminds me of that Entertonement site, where I could loop tracks of Obama saying "Get your own damn fries" over and over again on high volume from my office for endless hours of amusement.

I meant to post this before my comment to Palladian but the html formatting got fucked up.; 4/28/13, 12:11 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Yeah, but his needs are material Inga and some of us aren't as, well, transactional in our charity.; 4/28/13, 12:13 AM
Lewis Wetzel said...: Consumers were pretty much the opposite of "forward looking" from 2008 onward.
But Obama's campaign slogan in 2013 was 'Forward!'.
I think you need to check your epistemology, Ritmo.; 4/28/13, 12:25 AM
Palladian said...: Palladian, you know the way to a man's heart is through his stomach;)

My boyfriend of nearly three years broke up with me in November, after I cooked him Suprêmes de volaille à brun and a spinach timbale topped with Sauce aurore.

That evening, I kept thinking that the quickest way to his heart was with a 12 gauge shotgun firing a deer slug.; 4/28/13, 12:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Palladian, sorry to hear about your travails, keep the faith, something may happen to turn you situation around.

As for the boyfriend thing, I can relate ...somewhat.; 4/28/13, 12:31 AM
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Palladian said...: Here's a picture I took of the fateful dish, Timbale aux Épinards à la Sauce aurore.; 4/28/13, 12:52 AM
Anonymous said...: That's beautiful Palladian!

That makes me want to make a tomato bisque tomorrow, maybe with a spinach frittata.; 4/28/13, 1:01 AM
Rusty said...: If that were true herr Ritmo the stimulus would have driven us out of the recession it hasn't. 2.5% growth is barely above breaking even.
When unemployment is figured in it is still under 2%.
Employment increases demand for consumer products.
Elon Musk creates the technology that allows employment in the first place. Without people like him there is no wealth to be taxed. No jobs created for paychecks to be taxed. No taxes, less public employment.
Public employment does not drive the economy. No wealth is created. Wealth is consumed by the public sector.; 4/28/13, 7:31 AM
Paco Wové said...: 294 total comments
# comments/commenter (sorted)

113 O Ritmo Segundo
39 Jay
25 Terry
23 El Pollo Real
22 cubanbob
13 Palladian
11 wyo sis
8 garage mahal
5 Rusty; 4/28/13, 8:32 AM
X said...: Obama's father was a deadbeat dad. I wonder if Obama Jr. inherited some deadbeat factor.; 4/28/13, 8:54 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: And now we have #1 from Paco Wove, #1 from X and #1 more from me, for a grand total of 297 comments.

Paco would have many more, if he had any ideas of his own, you see. But apparently he thinks the purpose of a comments board is to be thoughtless and taciturn.

I went over the comments, because at least 27 of my own were consumed by a little war that erupted with the useless turd known as "Jay". His is the only presence on this blog that I think is a complete waste. Yet, the aggressive obstinance of his insulting ignorance requires response. It's a shame, and not one that Paco would know - as ignorance is something that enlightens him, aggression inspires him, and obstinance reassures him.

Suffice it to say, those are not my values.; 4/28/13, 9:05 AM
Baelzar said...: Drop Rand Paul from any consideration for President now.

This is from an email from Rand Paul sent out 10 days ago:

"Working from what the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade, pro-life lawmakers can pass a Life at Conception Act and end abortion using the Constitution instead of amending it."

If he goes after Roe v. Wade, he's already toast.; 4/28/13, 9:13 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I'm going to have to disappoint Comment Monitor Paco a bit more and add to the count by pointing out to Rusty that what this economy suffers from is not lack of wealth or lack of wealth "creation". It suffers from lack of demand. It is astounding that these Republican golden calf worshippers keep never failing to miss the difference.

There you go, PW. #298. #115 from me, but I do like to think the #27 devoted to "Jay's" astoundingly aggressive stupidity wouldn't have been necessary - in a perfect world.

BTW, thanks to your effort to hyperlink our profiles, I just checked out your blog and must say that there's something really wrong with it. The "writing" - if you can even call it that... What mixture of methamphetamine and LSD do you prepare for yourself before cranking out one of those posts? Serious question.; 4/28/13, 9:18 AM
Rusty said...: It suffers from lack of demand. It is astounding that these Republican golden calf worshippers keep never failing to miss the difference.

We already addressed what drives demand.

You've been dancing with yourself way too long.; 4/28/13, 10:07 AM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: I'm only answering your own questions, Mr. Too Good to Be a Dance Partner.

Demand isn't "driven". It exists in itself and is acted upon when the means to do so (i.e. "employment") exists. The idea that you can stimulate it with something other than those means is bubble-talk. It's like saying you can entice others to want things that they wouldn't ordinarily want, eg. with drugs. Or hypnosis.

Endorsing artificially-driven demand is exactly why Republican'ts can't be trusted to manage sound economies. They cannot distinguish between true economic growth and economic bubbles. It seems increasingly likely, to me, that their preference for financial speculation over a sound economy is a good reflection of their preference for legends, myths and lies when it comes to other sorts of general, factual knowledge, as well.

When it comes to demand, conies simply cannot tell the difference between wanting a porn star and wanting a decent woman to settle down with. Money is a form of pornography to them.; 4/28/13, 11:27 AM