Wayne LaPierre opinion piece is translated into He's Crazy! format for safe consumption by the readers of Think Progress, so they can keeping thinking: Progress!
ADDED: I hope Think Progress isn't also flogging the lefty meme that we must not, in our struggle against gun violence, stigmatize the mentally ill. There's a meme-collision here: 1. Don't fear the mentally ill, who are harmless and deserving of empathy, and 2. That man seems like a mentally ill person, so we need to loathe and fear him.
February 14, 2013
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7. But The NRA Is Totally Not Paranoid: “Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe. It’s not paranoia to buy a gun. It’s survival. It’s responsible behavior, and it’s time we encourage law-abiding Americans to do just that.”
That crazy LaPierre. Hurricanes are for climate change, not guns.
I have the feeling Wayne LaPierre doesn't give a rats ass about this silly crap. He's not running for anything and he knows that many people, perhaps a definite majority are glad he's doing what he does, even if they won't say it out loud.
No they don't want crazy people or criminals to kill innocent people but like the vice president they know gun laws won't stop that
It's the Jon Stewart school of news journalism.
They didn't actually present any facts, they just poked fun.
I had not known that Phoenix was having a kidnapping problem. Two seconds with Bing takes me to ABC news: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1
They even quote Gov. Moonbeam: " California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists – those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix – are overlooked.
"Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said.
In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade.
An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough. "
So, yeah, Wayne may have gotten his facts right. Feel free to poke at his conclusions, but obscuring the facts is no favor.
-XC
We live in a time when someone who states facts is labeled as "crazy".
“Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals.
Well in my lifetime I've been in a city where every one of these things existed or happened excepting riots. So, how is that crazy?
You don't go to war with the Wayne LaPierre you want. You go to war with the Wayne LaPierre you have.
Ah yes, liberal logic at work:
1. The globe is warming
2. The warming globe causes increased hurricane activity
3. You're like a super-duper wingnutty idiot for thinking you need a gun in a natural disaster such as a hurricane.
It must be fun to lack such self-awareness.
The idea that you have the right to defend yourself is much more widespread than the left will allow itself to admit. My wife and I had been thinking of getting our pistol permits here in CT for some time (it's been 30 years since I last shot), but did join the NRA after this latest frenzy started. I have heard anecdotal evidence that there are many like us. Gun shops estimate up to 30% of their sales are to new gun owners in the last few years.
(By the way, you would never know that there is an investigative task force on Newtown here in CT, with their report due out in March. The governor stopped getting daily briefings a few weeks ago and nothing is being given (or leaked) to the press. My guess is something adverse to the gun control effort will be disclosed, thus the silence)
"Stand and Fight" sounds good to those of us who can't use running blades.
@roadgeek - you win!
Conceal and Carry saves lives.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a bad emotional progressive argument.
All the shooters in these mass killings are leftwing mentally ill. Of course the Pravda media will tell you, incorrectly, that they are Sarah Palin or tea party members, but the truth is all the mental defectives that go on these rampages have connections with batshit crazy leftwing ideology.
“Latin American drug gangs have invaded every city of significant size in the United States. Phoenix is already one of the kidnapping capitals of the world, and though the states on the U.S./Mexico border may be the first places in the nation to suffer from cartel violence, by no means are they the last.”
An example of how the leftist propoganda machine works. One leftist claims obvious facts are "insane". The "insane" definition becomes the media talking point while the leftists meticulously ignore the disconnect between fact and conclusion. Anyone trying to return the discussion to the facts from the conclusion is demonized and the substance ignored.
phx showed us how leftists implement these principles when the media accused gun rights supporters of heckling the father of a child shooting victim. In that case a leftist commenter repeated the leftist talking points demonstrably at odds with facts viewable in the video. phx siezed that crutch. When the deficiencies in those talking points were identified he made excuses about why he could not evaluate the facts for himself. This refusal allowed him to justify believing the demonstrably false conclusions.
Leftists don't remain in their fantasy world by happenstance. They work at it.
Facts. Don't let them ruin a bad emotional argument.
Arm the children! The end is nigh...
Like the mindless automaton (and almost all the other trolls), he ridicules but does not rebut.
Possibly because he really can't?
Machine brings the standard prog strawman argument. No one is talking about arming kids, idiot.
If I didn't check this Reddit, I would have never known there was an attempted home invasion in the most expensive suburb of Lexington. Thwarted by a gun toting homeowner.
http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/
It was reported on the TV website, but not on the TV news. Go figure.
The Media will flog gun owners from now on since Obama's reelection, possibly retreating only if Rand Paul is elected POTUS.
At first, when I look at the Facebook pictures of the commenters, it seems strange how many hard-left opinions are held by the older people.
It's not what I've always been accustomed to hearing from older people.
Then I realize that all the hippies from the 1960s are that age now.
Indoctrination combined with a failure to grow-up explains much of it.
Hopefully the boomer cohort will pass through the body politic soon like a painful, impacted stool.
The drug gangs ARE in most cities across the U.S. Just reading the papers shows that with all the arrest. If one thinks gun control will stop gangs from getting guns then well drug laws ought to stop them from getting drugs, right?
Violence is violence. To say one wants to stop 'gun violence' is to ignore that the violent will simply use other methods to kill (presuming they can't get a gun.) Most South American countries have very strict gun control yet are very violent, far more than the USA.
"We will not appease". Dang right we won't.
The 2nd Amendment is not about DUCK HUNTING. It did not say the rights of the MILITIA or rights of the STATE or rights of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. It said RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Simple as that. And we most certainly do VOTE.
We are not crazy. We are just in the right.
I agree with a number of the posters above. The lefties here pull something out of context, put a title on it, and then they all to the Jon Stewart laugh at it.
But, of course, Obama is driving the economy into the ground, with his almost six trillion dollars of additional debt and deficit spending. And, of course, that means that there is less money to pay for cops to defend us (and, to make matters, worse, Chicago cops want a big raise right now, because they are doing such a good job at protecting everyone in their city). And, that means that cops are getting laid off - at least one city in CA has laid off all their police force.
Do, these leftie gun grabbers really believe that removing semiautomatic rifles and regular capacity magazines from law abiding civilians will actually make them safer? How are they going to induce the criminals to disarm?
We saw a couple days ago where two NY cops watched on as the subway killer they were looking for attacked yet someone else, and only intervened when the killer was subdued by his victim, after receiving numerous stab wounds to the head. He might have been able to put a quick end to the attack - except that this was NYC, with its strict gun laws. So, the moral there is that cops have little duty to protect anyone, except maybe themselves, even when seeing a violent felony being committed right in front of themselves. That is if they don't get laid off because of Obamanomics (and the greed of their unions).
Thanks to Obama, and his feckless policies on the economy, he feckless policies on the border and with illegal immigration, etc., it can be more dangerous to law abiding people, and, yet, their solution is to seize the weapons most usable in personal defense.
Do any of the writers at ThinkProgess live in Compton next door to members of the infiltrating Sinaloa cartel?
I thought not.
Ask any black man in South Central if he wants the right to defend himself.
"Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said.
This is what is so frustrating about Brown. For all the moonbeamy leftist nonsense he spouts, every once in awhile he will make a perfectly-cogent argument for liberty and individualism.
Facts. Most of what LaPierre said is actually true.
5. If You Want Gun Safety, You Want Civilization To Collapse: “After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all.”
I don't know how much denser the progs could be. A natural disaster occurred. And, in parts of NYC, it was pretty bad. The NYPD was mostly, it seemed back in the more politically powerful parts of the city, and, for a day or so, still preparing for the marathon. NYC, being a progressive Utopia of sorts, had effectively disarmed the lower classes of law abiding people. So, you had the roving bands of looters, armed either illegally with guns, or legally with blunt objects such as baseball bats, and they were running at will throughout some of the more remote and devastated sections of the city, terrorizing everyone there. No police when you needed them, and no guns for protection, because the criminals might get their hands on them.
Why was this sort of thing so much worse in NYC after Sandy, and before that, NOLA after Katrina, than in the surrounding countryside and states? Because the progressive Utopian social engineering breaks down in the face of natural disasters. You are supposed to sacrifice your own personal safety in trade for the promise that the police will protect you, but this promise is fragile, esp. since it is made by a highly politicized government. So, when the police are needed the most, they aren't there.
After Katrina, Mississippi and the rest of Louisiana still had their guns, and so didn't have the roving gangs looting and pillaging. And, after Sandy, New Jersey and the rest of New York still had their guns, and so didn't have the same sorts of gangs.
It isn't that anyone wants natural disasters, but, rather, that natural disasters do happen, and when they do, natural order tends to break down, and, in many cases, normal police protection is reduced, if not nonexistent.
CNN doesn't care about these people.
Shot in cold blood in an act of revenge by a man who adored Obama and the democrats.
Leftists don't remain in their fantasy world by happenstance. They work at it.
Which is why they win these battles. Because conservatives don't work at it.
Wayne LaPierre is the exception, not the rule. Until our side fights with the same dirty tactics, we're bound do go down as a country.
Just read some of the complete idiocy in the comments at the linked piece at thinkprogress.
I Callahan said...
Just read some of the complete idiocy in the comments at the linked piece at thinkprogress.
I'll just wait for Garage to post it here. It's one of the conveniences of Althouse.
This is fairly typical of the intellectual level of the gun control "conversation". Most (not all) supporters of gun rights offer arguments in favor of their positions based on experience (e.g., the uselessness of the 1994 "assault weapons ban"), law (DC v. Heller), information (semi-automatic rifles and pistols fire one shot per trigger pull, magazines can be replaced in a couple of seconds no matter how few bullets you are allowed to load into them), etc. Most (not all) supporters of gun control ignore the arguments and rely instead on stirring up emotions to an irrational level against those who support gun rights (they are "murderers", they are responsible for the "slaughter of the innocent", they are "terrorists").
Why do you think that is?
Most mentally ill people are in fact no threat to anyone but themselves.
When they get into positions of power, that often changes fast.
LaPierre spent four solid years telling anyone who'd listen that "Obama is coming for your guns!" Then he changed the con to "Obama will be coming for your guns in his second term!" without skipping a beat, & as if the last four years of paranoid hysterics had never happened. Unlike many, I'm inclined to think that's an act of calculated cynicism, not delusional thinking.
Little need be said of his decrying the already-refuted fiction that violent video games cause shootings - the declining rate of violence since the rise of FPS & online games speaks for itself.
The NRA is a political lobby that represents arms dealers & manufacturers. Its only interest in gun owners is as marks to be kept terrified 24/7 so they can be squeezed for every possible buck while they can.
Hyping crime in an era of falling crime rates is par for the course for LaPierre, who never met a profitable myth he didn't promptly sell for whatever the market would bear. Some kids get pointlessly slaughtered in the process? Tough shit: you gotta expect some collateral damage when your product's only practical use is killing, so suck it up, America ... & make sure you keep those checks coming in!
jim said...
Little need be said of his decrying the already-refuted fiction that violent video games cause shootings - the declining rate of violence since the rise of FPS & online games speaks for itself.
This exact evidence 'refutes' that gun control reduces violence. It's revealing that leftists understand the concepts but fail to apply them consistently. It's like they choose when to follow science and when not to depending on whether the science advances their predetermined preferences.
Marshal, if this "jim" is the same Obama Zombie who posts on the Transterrestrial Musings blog, he's like all leftifts that I encounter, online or off: impervious to facts and logic.
Actually the whole "crazy" meme is SOP for the Hive. Anyone who opposes the Hive is evil, stupid or insane. That's how open-minded "liberals" (i.e., tax-happy State-fellating coercion-junkies) actually are, despite their own inflated self-image.
machine said...
Arm the children! The end is nigh...
Curious ... are you also cheering on the mass murderer Dorner with all the other lefties?
That background buzz in your head maybe more serious then just cognitive dissonance. May want to get it checked out.
That background buzz in your head maybe more serious then just cognitive dissonance.
If Dilbert is any guide (and why wouldn't it be?), cognitive dissonance has a very distinct SPOINK sound, unlike anything else inside machine's potential head.
Which is why they win these battles. Because conservatives don't work at it.
And that's because leftists have an agenda of "change," whereas conservatives do not.
You can complain about LaPierre "hyping crime", or you can hit your opponents over the head with dead kids. Not both.
If you don't think that you might ever need an assault rifle, Google search the following:
"Rodney King Korean"
Read the articles. Watch the videos. And then ask yourself - and let me emphasize that this would be an awful thing that I'd never want to come to pass - what would happen in our cities if someone shot Pres. Obama? What would you need to protect yourself?
Well, progress is a strictly ambiguous concept until it is qualified. It's now considered progress to presume guilt, to inherit guilt, to extrapolate (e.g. from incidental features) guilt, etc.
The gun control crusade is premised on the presumption of guilt. Since it does not control the behavior of criminals, it's intent must be to disarm law-abiding members of society, and, in following, to further empower minority interests, both public and private, domestic and foreign, which do not abide by our laws.
Jay said...
Ah yes, liberal logic at work:
1. The globe is warming
2. The warming globe causes increased hurricane activity
3. You're like a super-duper wingnutty idiot for thinking you need a gun in a natural disaster such as a hurricane.
It must be fun to lack such self-awareness.
Every day brings with it a new surprise.
If you don't think that you might ever need an assault rifle, Google search the following:
"Rodney King Korean"
Read the articles. Watch the videos. And then ask yourself - and let me emphasize that this would be an awful thing that I'd never want to come to pass - what would happen in our cities if someone shot Pres. Obama? What would you need to protect yourself?
"Why does Wayne LaPierre not believe in America's greatness?"
machine said...
"Why does Wayne LaPierre not believe in America's greatness?"
Liberal Brain "Power" by machine:
"Why are rethuglicans so stupid?! Can't they understand that guns are best in the hands of police alone? Our mass murdering hero Dorner proves that with his necessary weapons and murder spree against those evil police! This is all just an end result of the NRA's cycle of death! They create all this crime by using fake crime claims to arm both sides in a death spiral of DOOM!" ... buzzz ... click click ... SPOINK
Any NRA members who read that piece will recognize the crazy on the screen.
And, by damn, if I need to shoot a hurricane or tornado, I will! Or looters following, looking for targets of opportunity.
Saw this in the article's comments:
My permitted conceal-carry has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.
Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals.
Why, that's just crazytalk!
There is a general concensus that mentally ill people should not have access to guns - many of the recent mass shootings have been done by people that appeared to have mental problems - often undiagnosed.
I am trying to envision a law that precluded the mentally ill from buying guns. Most of these people have not committed a crime. There are a small group of peaple that have court orders identifying them as mentally ill; my understanding is that such people are already precluded from buying guns. A dermination of mental illnes is normally made by a mental health professional like a psychologist. So we would need to somehow rely on mental heath professionals to add the name of the mentally ill person to the "do not buy guns" list. How else would you do it?
But such a process would have huge problems. Suppose Mr. LaPierre went to see a doctor who believes that Mr. LaPierre's idea are nuts. So the Dr. adds adds Mr. Pierre's name to the "Do Not Buy" list. So we would need to have an appeal process, and an appeal of the appeal process, etc. Since mental illness is often a subjective process.
Are there other ideas out there to prevent the menally ill from buyuing or obtaining guns? Would such laws have prevented the recent shootings in Tuscon, Colorado, Wisconsin or Newtown.
I am not arguing pro gun or anti gun positions. I',m simply asking how do we restruct gun acces for mentall ill.
Any other ideas?
Lyn
I can't believe Think Progress didn't include this insane, wildly paranoid, impossible-to-believe quote from LaPierre:
With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option. You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. But are you prepared?
You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We’re partners now. Can I count on you?
Oh, wait. That wasn't LaPierre; that was David Clarke, Sheriff of Milwaukee County in a PSA, urging citizens to learn how to handle guns.
Fr Martin Fox said...
I can't believe Think Progress didn't include this insane, wildly paranoid, impossible-to-believe quote from LaPierre:
With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option. You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. But are you prepared?
You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We’re partners now. Can I count on you?
Oh, wait. That wasn't LaPierre; that was David Clarke, Sheriff of Milwaukee County in a PSA, urging citizens to learn how to handle guns.
Yes, Father. All the progressives have brought us is barbarism.
Turn a cheek, but keep your sword in sight.
First thing I did when they issued the Blizzard warning was check on my guns cause you know Mexican drug lords just love to kidnap children during snowstorms.
I read Wayne's words directly, not Think Progresses. He may have facts, but the conclusions are madness. This is insanity, no sort of pat comparison with left wing hyperbole will change that. Shame Anne.
Obama is coming after your guns. Don't kid yourselves.
Does anyone here have a link to anything about the rampant looting in South Brooklyn following Sandy that Mr. LaPierre-anoid was on about?
Or the fact that there were no murders in NYC for several days during the storm & its aftermath?
Currently living in Florida before every hurricane I check my rifles and handguns.During each hurricane while the wind speed is above 50kts the SO will not dispatch officers.And after the wind speed drops it sometimes takes days to get assistance anywhere.So yes we are armed around here-and everyone knows it and acts accordingly.An armed society is a polite society.Says something about why New York,California, Chicago and New Orleans have reputations for being nasty doesn't it?
Plus when I used to live in Wyoming and Colorado a whiteout could leave you out of touch with everywhere for a week.Ask the owners of the cabin Dorner used if they wish they had been armed.
Currently living in Florida before every hurricane I check my rifles and handguns.During each hurricane while the wind speed is above 50kts the SO will not dispatch officers.And after the wind speed drops it sometimes takes days to get assistance anywhere.So yes we are armed around here-and everyone knows it and acts accordingly.An armed society is a polite society.Says something about why New York,California, Chicago and New Orleans have reputations for being nasty doesn't it?
"A heinous act of mass murder—either by terrorists or by some psychotic who should have been locked up long ago—will be the pretext to unleash a tsunami of gun control."
Breaking news from, er, last December onward.
A key message I get from LaPierre is that being unarmed in the midst of economic destabilization and a growing Mexican organized crime threat isn't a good thing.
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