Wow. I'm just seeing this now. How awkward. I was embarrassed to watch the clip. Jack Nicholson — the greatest actor of the modern era (or something) — comes out as if he's going to announce the award, observes that it's traditionally one presenter who does the announcement, then throws it to a White House feed where it's Michelle Obama, dressed up in her ball gown, in the company of White House toadies in tuxes. And then "Lincoln" doesn't even win, so we don't get the stunning climax of all of history that was what the producers may have thought they were setting up.
Abysmal.
IN THE COMMENTS: Drago said: "Those aren't 'toadies.' Those are the military aides assigned to the President. They have no choice but to be there when 'directed.' And those aren't 'tuxes,' those are military dress uniforms." I stand corrected. I'm sorry. I was going to watch the video again to check that detail but there was no scroll bar on the video and I could not put up with watching it in real time. Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?
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322 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 322 of 322@Scott M: Yeah, I know. But since the number of laws and dollars is finite, those who argue this way do so very selectively.
I caught you lying and proved it.
First of all, this is what I responded to: "Did Reagan, a former Hollywood actor, or his wife, Nancy, ever do something like this?"
Quite clearly, Reagan doing a taped appearance for the Oscars is "something like that".
Second, your argument that we can't test students from the same city and judge the results only makes sense if you conclude that we can't test students and judge the results from within the same class either.
phx said...
First Lady's should not make a presentation appearance at the Academy Awards because ...
No because...as I've said before, I don't give a shit about it. Whoever said it was appropriate because both Barack and Michelle are "actors" has it about right. How can anyone with an intellect greater than a sack of rocks give a shit?
Because ________________??
Obama only has to win 51% of the electorate, but does Hollywood wish to alienate 49% of their customer base?....The Academy Award Show is to some extent an advertisement for the Hollywood product line. It is just bad business for Hollywood to so overtly embrace the Obamas.
@garage mahal
Your link to the 4 photo montage is hardly proof that the Reagans did anything remotely similar. 3 of the 4 photos were taken in the White House with one obviously the oval office.
Having the Office of the President deliver military personnel for a moochelle kodak moment is gauche if not altogether inappropriate.
William said...
Obama only has to win 51% of the electorate, but does Hollywood wish to alienate 49% of their customer base?
They've had no problem with it for at least 20 years, and more like 50.
PS tree hugging sis, why praise Jesus?
Because only the Army was embarrassed?
PPS Those aren't "Marine dress blues". That's the old 1872 Army dress blues with Marine modifications.
Why were military personnel used as props for an entertainment industry awards show?
@ roesch/voltaire
"Gabe here is a quote from the Stanford Study on charter schools since you seemed challenged to find the link" ..."
**LAUGH**
Could a synopsis be any more mealy mouthed?
"On average"
"to those of their virtual "twins" in regular schools who shared with them certain characteristics"
Half of Detroit's adult population are functionally illiterate. Half of the functionally illiterates have high school diplomas.
"On average"
"virtual"
"shared with them certain characteristics"
**LAUGH**
So. Who paid for that study?
Tree Hugging Sister said ...
Just for clarity's sake, though ~ those were ALL US Army dress uniforms behind her during the whole ghastly thing.
Not a single Marine in blues did I see and praise Jesus.
Nope, not just Army...some USAF also plainly present. As for USMC, although I appreciate your sentiment, look at the beginning of the Michelle-o-rama, on the left (your left, the other left)and briefly there is a person in a Mess Blue with wide red cumberbund...looked like USMC...albeit briefly. I am NOT going to suffer through it again to be sure :)
EdButcher
PPS Those aren't "Marine dress blues". That's the old 1872 Army dress blues with Marine modifications.
What on earth are you talking about, Ed? As a Marine myself, I kinda know those weren't dress blues, believe me. That's why I made sure to differentiate between the services from the paragraph I quoted. That Army uniform they were wearing last night has NOTHING to do with the Marine Corps, period: dress blues, Mess Dress or otherwise.
@ garage mahal
"Quite clearly, Reagan doing a taped appearance for the Oscars is "something like that"."
Is that +5% or -5% or somewhere in between?
@garage:Second, your argument that we can't test students from the same city and judge the results...
I made no such argument. I said, the results you presented were not significantly different. I did not say, no possible results could ever be different. If the srudy had shown 70 vs 90, or 20 vs 90, that would be highly significant.
Lying, or unable to read, your choice.
As for USMC, although I appreciate your sentiment, look at the beginning of the Michelle-o-rama, on the left (your left, the other left)and briefly there is a person in a Mess Blue with wide red cumberbund...looked like USMC...albeit briefly.
Speaking of which...if anyone knows a current or recently former Marine line officer, lemmie know. I need to interview one.
Aridog,
If I missed that, I sincerely apologize, and I'm SURE it was because I was SO HORRIFIED for all of them (especially for that poor girl who's trying to smile and look truly interested...oh, God.) that the cringing caused me to avert my eyes.
Or maybe it was the squirming.
It COULD have been running to Twitter to argue with brain dead dolts who insisted that NO ONE would EVER "ORDER" anyone to be AT the White House in full dog and pony show outfits to sit around.
Oh, yeah. Never.
Tree Huggeing Sister ....I broke down a bit and did go back to watch the first few moments of the video...and yep, early in the video, on Michelle's right, your left facing the screen, there is a U S Marine in USMC Mess Dressas illustrated by two of the gentlemen in the photo here.
I humbly apologize for ruining you after noon. :-)
Aridog,
You are a gentleman and a scholar to take one for the team like that.
I guess sacrifice is meant to be shared and so it was. I can only hope the Marine used all his knowledge and battle skills to find a way to be as FAR off camera as possible.
I fear the women were screwed from any chance of conceal and cover, though. Michelle would want them front and center.
BARF.
The Obama Administration's War on Women continues...
The point of all this is that there is no escape from Obama propoganda, they are everpresent in all corners of society.
Up next, President-throws-like-a-girl will regale the nation with his NCAA basketball tournament picks, disseminated by a fawning espn.
I have a hard time getting much outrage on this particular low point in the history of the presidency. I could not give any less of a shit about a bunch of leftwing closet cases patting eachother on the back at an awards ceremony. The retards who turned out at the last election voted to be ruled by Kardashian's, let them have it.
Seeing noted scholar Manboobs Mahal and full blown retard Phx defending first lady camacho is unsurprising.
Perhaps Phx at least made it to the level of attending community college, however.
You could make a fortune selling kneepads during this administration. And that's just in Hollywood!
. I said, the results you presented were not significantly different. I did not say, no possible results could ever be different
Here is what you posted:
" The populations tested are not identical. They do not constitute random samples of the same population. Variables common to both may be ultimately responsible. etc, etc."
The populations tested that I cited were from the same city.
phx wrote:
The smarter wingers may not be able to stand your politics and are certain you're wrong but at least they have more class than to call you a liar.
Arent' libs fond of saying "bush lied and people died"?
Good for goose good for gander?
Garage. Are not comparisons of public schools versus charter schools valid only if the school abandoned is compared to the charter school chosen? Otherwise an ultra shitty school is ignored as a comparative while a less shitty school is substituted that is better than the charter while the charter is leagues ahead of the abandoned school.
I am not sure the methods used are honest.
@garage:The populations tested that I cited were from the same city.
No one disputed that. But they are not identical populations. There are confounding variables, and so 5% difference in performance is not significant.
If students had been assigned randomly from the general population to a voucher or a public, the populations would be identical, provided they were large enough.
This isn't hard to understand, Stat 101 if that.
Then why the "praise Jesus"?
I'd think, as a serving member of the Armed Forces, you wouldn't want to see anybody in uniform humiliated that way.
Of course this is the answer as to why charter schools want to be exempted from public disclosure of testing and accountability standards. Just like their leaders who advocate this crap.
Seeing noted scholar Manboobs Mahal and full blown retard Phx defending first lady camacho is unsurprising.
Now the intellectuals are weighing in.
@garage:Of course this is the answer as to why charter schools want to be exempted from public disclosure of testing and accountability standards. Just like their leaders who advocate this crap.
Just like teacher's unions too (see also LAUSD).
The situation is not cleared up by mathematical illiterates like yourself lying about the results, though.
Good for goose good for gander?
If that's YOUR standard, go for it.
"This isn't hard to understand, Stat 101 if that."
Gabriel, you are terribly mistaken if you ever thought that Manboobs Mahal has ever taken a "100 level" class.
Poor Garage never made it past his shitty union run public school. It's not fair to require him to understand such concepts.
I'm sure he was just super at PE though. Probably got a participation ribbon and everything, despite being a fatty. He most likely did not fare very well in dodgeball however, since the game was obviously culturally biased against chubsters like him.
@phx: Hollywood's. And to me, it doesn't matter if they're willing to jettison the tradition, the point is they just gave the appearance of doing it for servile, partisan reasons. It's giving up their professionalism for abject self-subservientism, and as such is distasteful.
Also: It's not accurate to characterize my objection as "anxiety". It's more along the lines of disappointment. They're willing to cheapen themselves to give an honor to someone who's done nothing by even their professional standards to have earned it. That sort of behavior is characteristic of toadies, not professionals in an industry with intrinsic reasons for their own professional pride. I no more respect this than I would a judge giving a stand-up comic the duty of reading a verdict. Or if you want something more dignified, a medical professional. Neither have anything to do with the court system.
Phx gurgled:
"Now the intellectuals are weighing in."
I assume you were referring to all the advanced degrees that Manboobs has? I'm sure your community college is just a stellar hotbed of intellectualism as well.
What grievance study did you end up getting an associates degree in again?
@President Mom Jeans: I'm a bit of a chubster myself. That's neither here nor there.
Ed Butcher
Then why the "praise Jesus"?
I'd think, as a serving member of the Armed Forces, you wouldn't want to see anybody in uniform humiliated that way.
Well, Ed, of COURSE not! Didn't I say I thought the whole thing was a GHASTLY exercise? But it's only human to hold your OWN service a tad dearer to your heart.
Also: It's not accurate to characterize my objection as "anxiety". It's more along the lines of disappointment.
Fair enough Tibore. I withdraw my characterization and note your disappointment.
@Gabriel.
Oh no worries, unless you are attempting to hypocritically force eating habits on the population while sporting an ass this size of the state of Wisconsin ala the first wookie.
I just like to needle Garage, he is quite sensitive about his weight.
I would think he would be more sensitive about his lack of education, failed marriage, etc etc but hey, whatever works.
No disrepect intended to you or any other Americans of Girth.
Tree Hugging Sister: "Just for clarity's sake, though ~ those were ALL US Army dress uniforms behind her during the whole ghastly thing."
False.
At lease 2 of the officers behind michelle were Naval Officers, including 1 Naval Aviator.
assume you were referring to all the advanced degrees that Manboobs has? I'm sure your community college is just a stellar hotbed of intellectualism as well.
No, I'm referring to your constant namecalling. This thread and every thread you are in.
That's how you roll. Shrug.
@PMJ:Americans of Girth.
I prefer embonpoint, thank you.
garage: "The populations tested that I cited were from the same city."
LOL
Here's where garages ignorance shines brightly.
Just because the school kids are from the same city, does NOT make them part of the same rational subgroup for statistical analysis.
You have to identify the other relevant characteristics and use them to break up your groups into the appropriate samples from which you then need to sample randomly.
LOL
The basic contention, which I agree with, is that the FLOTUS's appearance was in very poor taste, and that earlier FLOTI probably would have refused. No GOP FLOTI but perhaps Nancy Reagan would ever have been asked, of course.
Flimsy tu quoque arguments do not cut through the contention. I respect that some (phx, garage mahal, etc.) do not think it was in poor taste. That's a reasonable contention as well.
The point is not attending the oscars or being an hinorary awarder.
The point is appearing in the White House from inside the Drone Killer's Lair from whence Osama was executed thereby touting her as a Monarch that rules over all the activities of her Kingdom.
It looked as though Mrs. Obama's bangs are getting longer. I applaud this change. Please don't stop until they reach your chin, Madame.
But they are not identical populations
Especially considering charter schools don't admit kids with learning disabilities and behavior problems at the same rate as traditional public schools.
Poor Garage never made it past his shitty union run public school.
Beats that charter trailer school you went to.
To add: My friend told me the dumbest people he ever met were in law school. I'm starting to see what he meant following this blog.
Zeb Colter sez:
She's a witch! Burn her...burn her!
Ma'am, you need to express yourself a little more clearly.
And I'd have to defer to our vets as to whether they feel the same way if the Marines are being humiliated.
Jay said...
sonicfrog said...
The whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearings - bringing that up without even considering to get confirmation that there is any validity at all to that very serious type of accusation - made your side look absolutely ridiculous and the backlash from that stupidness probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
Uh, on February 7, 2013 Breitbart News’ story on “Friends of Hamas” was written.
Chuck Hagel is not yet confirmed.
"The Friends Of Hamas" was a joke... literaly! You might want to at least pay attention to more than one news source if you want to know what's going on in the world. Breitbart is not exactly reliable, as this sad tale demonstrates.
@garage:Especially considering charter schools don't admit kids with learning disabilities and behavior problems at the same rate as traditional public schools.
Maybe, but not relevant to the study you lied about.
Manboobs says:
"Beats that charter trailer school you went to."
Yes fatty, trailers were everywhere on the gorgeous campus's of the private universities I attended. You really got me.
"To add: My friend told me the dumbest people he ever met were in law school. I'm starting to see what he meant following this blog."
I'm sure it was a very prestigous institution of legal scholasticism where your "friend" met dumb people while emptying out the trash and cleaning up vomit after Barrister's Ball.
Oh are you going to claim that this "friend" of yours was actually there in the capacity of law student now? Did this friend represent you in your divorce after your marriage failed? I hope since he was so smart that you aren't paying any alimony and didn't get bent over by your ex-wife.
Of course plenty of dumb people attend law school, Joe fucking Biden (barely) graduated from (a very poor) one. But you go on and try and make yourself feel better at your educational and intellectual failings.
garage: "Beats that charter trailer school you went to."
I've seen garage post this kind of a comment multiple times over the past several days regarding trailers being utilized as temporary classrooms until building funds are appropriated (from whatever the relevant funding sources happen to be) and the classrooms constructed.
Why are trailers "bad"?
GE Modular Space wants to know...
http://www.schoolfacilities.com/siteSpecific/vendor/vendorDetail.aspx?vendorID=2
Hmmmm,
when there's something stupid to be said, machine can be counted upon to say it.
But you go on and try and make yourself feel better at your educational and intellectual failings.
I wouldn't trade my income [not knowing yours, if you have any] in a million years.
My public primary and secondary schools had trailers. My kids' public primary and secondary schools have trailers.
garage mahal, you're a fisherman. Care to drag a dollar bill through our schools? You might catch something.
Why are trailers "bad"?
Because that way lefties can hang their much-loved "trailer trash" meme on charter schools?
RE: "What I was asking for is someone to articulate a principle that indicates it's inappropriate for the 1st Lady to make a presentation at the Oscars. Pretty simple really." [phx]
Well, back in the day, the White House, including the First Lady, were supposed to carry themselves with a certain amount of dignity. The White House being a public institution, would never suck up to Hollywood celebrities like that or sit back to vainly accept their adulation.
What principle, you ask? I'd say the principle that the First Lady and the President should conduct themselves with class, dignity, and professionalism.
Sadly, the past is past.
lydia: "Because that way lefties can hang their much-loved "trailer trash" meme on charter schools?"
What about the large number of public schools that use modular classrooms?
Does garage consider them "trashy" schools as well?
(not that I expect intelletually consistency from garage!)
Charter vs public schools.
I'd like to know what the actual proficiency scores are, as well as the way they change. Then I'd like to allocate the variance between the scores between the charter/public variable and any others that might be in play. Then I might have an opinion and be ready to draw conclusions.
Manboobs says"
"I wouldn't trade my income [not knowing yours, if you have any] in a million years."
Ah yes, lardass falls back to relying on the amount of income he supposedly brings in. How unprogressive of you. I thought in your little drum circles making money was reserved for those evil one percenters?
My career earnings trajectory has just begun, and perhaps at this point you may have a slightly higher income than me in the most recent tax year. My income however, does not involve cutting a check to my ex wife every month. Factoring that in, I am confident that my disposable income exceeds yours.
But hey, money isn't everything Manboobs, and I can sleep well at night even if you make slightly more money secure in my superior age, education, romantic choices, and of course, physical appearance.
Wait, garbage pail the liar is trying to claim something is true, just trust him?
Lol! Him and Bill Clinton. "Just trust me, baby."
Ask Garbage Pail how one can be a communist and yet not be in favor of the overthrow of a government.
Watch him lie. Or run away.
Leftists: all liars and cowards. No exceptions.
Love the line - that Obama gave Michelle more military backup when she demanded it than he gave to the Americans under fire in Benghazi when they asked.
So tell us, O lardass, just how mighty a one percenter are you?
Let's hear about that massive income earned courtesy of that fantastic Wisconsin public school education you recieved.
Don't be humble fatty, out with it.
sonicfrog said...
"The Friends Of Hamas" was a joke... literaly!
No, you're a joke.
Literally!
garage mahal said...
I wouldn't trade my income [not knowing yours, if you have any] in a million years.
Yes!
Because a silly, fat, loser who's wife ditched him and has no education past high school has a high income!
Really, you do, stupid shit!
My career earnings trajectory has just begun, and perhaps at this point you may have a slightly higher income than me in the most recent tax year. My income however, does not involve cutting a check to my ex wife every month. Factoring that in, I am confident that my disposable income exceeds yours.
Translated: You don't have a job and you have a mountain of soul crushing debt. Good luck with that.
sonicfrog said...
"The Friends Of Hamas" was a joke... literaly! You might want to at least pay attention to more than one news source if you want to know what's going on in the world. Breitbart is not exactly reliable, as this sad tale demonstrates.
Stupid shit:
You linking to left wing Web sites doesn't illustrate you have much of a handle of "what is going on in the world"
I realize you have to knock down straw men since your idiotic drivel has no semblance to reality, but a good rejoined when being demonstrated to be spectacularly wrong is to not say link to Slate or tell someone else they don't know what's going on.
If you had an ounce of decency you would shut the fuck up.
You, however, will come back with more drivel.
It's what you silly little propagandists do.
For the record, those folks were NOT Military Aides to the President. That title refers to the five folks who carry the nuclear football.
Thos are White House Military Social Aides.
These are volunteers that have day jobs, are young, attractive, single, Service academy grads preferred, who get called up for state dinners to escort folks and 'dance with LOL's"
garage mahal said...
Translated: You don't have a job
Hey fat fuck:
If you want to brag about being an "income" stop referring to your take home pay.
People with real wealth understand this.
You don't.
Want to guess why?
In moments of unmatched hilarity, garagie blustered he would post his W-2.
Garagie doesn't know wealth.
Garagie dumb.
If you want to brag about being an "income" stop referring to your take home pay.
Disability checks not cutting it tough guy?
Did Michelle get the inspiration for that hairstyle form a middle schooler?
I remember from reading Conrad Blacks biography on Nixon that the jews of the NY Times and other media centers had a field day when Nixon had his staff festoon non-military White House people in ornate garb so that he would have more pomp and color behind him.
"The Imperial Presidency!!"
"Who does that twisted dark goyim think he is, Louis the 14th??"
"Nixon tries making the White House Versailles!"
The biography states that Nixon, a combat veteran, with a war going on in Vietnam..just thought it slighted and demeaned the military to use them as props for ceremonial or poltical poll pimping.
But at events where he thought the military was appropiate, like greeting and meeting with visiting heads of other nations, Nixon did slather on the dress uniforms, ribbon confetti, and expensive jet flybyes to impress the foreigners and the TV audience.
In fairness to Obama, he isn't the 1st President to use "The Heroes Who Serve!!" as props for entirely non-military or foreign dignitary occasions.
Dubya Bush was bad at it...and had the further bad habit of surrounding himself with the "Heroes Who Keep Us All Perfectly Safe" when on the road discussing how great the Heroes were doing getting Iraqis to love us, how much the people in his MIdwest crowds on a campaign swing should know how he cared for the props behind him. (And imply The Heroes ! - all loved whatever Dubya was doing.
Reagan of course, had staff that worked up the 1st personalized SOTU homage to a Hero - some schmuck picked for some small feat to push the right audience emotional buttons and show how Ronnie emphasized with the common folk who did some small meaningful thing.
That cancer spread to where pols now salt their audiences with several prop military heroes or civilians with some accomplishment or some certified Victimhood the pol uses in set prepared speeches to call on them to stand up and be singled out and celebrated.
So fucking manipulative and basically done for advancing identity politics or wrapping the flag around themselves or given female voters who feeeel vs. think warm fuzzies because the President is taking time away from issues to talk about the single mother of two who is a minority and just came out as gay who organized giving Afghan girls soccer balls, thus " empowering them"
Manboobs Mahal says
"Translated: You don't have a job and you have a mountain of soul crushing debt. Good luck with that."
Dodging the question is not translation, didn't they teach you anything at that shitty high school of yours?
In your fat dreams, Manboobs. I'd love to be loafing with the funemployment Obama voters, but unfortunately for me, I was raised with some work ethic. My parents didn't get divorced, so I do not have that sense of entitlement or emotional baggage.
I will crack six figures (just barely) this year, after coming up just a bit short on that this most recent year. Certainly not where I want to be with the amount of hours I work, but could be worse in this Obama economy. I guarantee my monthly student loan payment is less than your alimony, tubby.
So to sum up: On this very site you have admitted that you are 220 lbs yet only 5'11. You have admitted that you have zero educational achievements. You have admitted that your marriage was a failure. And yet, you want people to be impressed with you, because you claim (with absolutely nothing to back it up) that you have such an enormous income that I should be jealous of your superiority.
It's not my fault your life turned out to be such a failure, and I will guess that Scott Walker was not in power when you failed to get into college as well as failed in your romantic life.
If I am supposed to be so impressed with your amazing income Manboobs, you should at least throw out a number. Give us non one percenters something to strive for, you know?
I will crack six figures (just barely) this year
Doing what?
So not answering the question again, eh fattie?
Were your parents divorced too? Is that why you have such poor question answering abilities? Perhaps it is more than diabetes that is hereditary in your extremely shallow gene pool.
But I will humor you lardass, perhaps you will learn something. Unlike so many of my peers who were cursed to come out of law school during the Obama recession, I actually have found employment as an attorney. Shocking yes, but a few of us actually were able to find work requiring that you be barred.
Well, back in the day, the White House, including the First Lady, were supposed to carry themselves with a certain amount of dignity. The White House being a public institution, would never suck up to Hollywood celebrities like that or sit back to vainly accept their adulation.
What principle, you ask? I'd say the principle that the First Lady and the President should conduct themselves with class, dignity, and professionalism.
Sadly, the past is past.
A principled answer - the basis for an argument between reasonably intelligent people. A response that merits respect instead of derision.
Why can't all of you argue this way? Did y'all go to public schools or what?
Unlike so many of my peers who were cursed to come out of law school during the Obama recession, I actually have found employment as an attorney.
LOL. Sure you did. Funniest thing I've read all day, so thanks for that.
garage: "LOL. Sure you did. Funniest thing I've read all day, so thanks for that."
The envy is strong in this one....
Ah, Manboobs, the idiot who claims on the internet that he makes sooooo much money despite his total lack of education with absolutely zero evidence doubts the claims of someone else on the internet making claims with exactly the same amount of evidence.
Unlike that stupid donkey witch Inga, I am not foolish enough to give out personally identifiable information on the althouse blog. So enjoy your skepticism, and all that amazingly large income that somehow you can't bring yourself to put a number to (nor how much you are sending over to your ex wife in alimony.)
Judging by your response (total lack of any), it isn't all that much. I can't say I'm surprised, especially since there are so many fat divorced men in wisconsin who pull down more than six figures a year with no education.
Just to clarify, money a nigerian prince claims is coming to you as soon as Walker is indicted cannot be counted as income.
Wow. What an epic pissing match. Who won?
Love the line - that Obama gave Michelle more military backup when she demanded it than he gave to the Americans under fire in Benghazi when they asked.
My first chance ever to agree with Cedarford, so I'm gonna take it.
Nobody wins internet arguments, you new around here EMD?
I'll claim victory based on lack of responses to questions from Manboobs however. While my income is just as unverifiable as his is, at least I put a number out there.
I also have at no point admitted a failed marriage, BMI that the federal government defines as obese, nor lack of formal education.
I'll throw it to the judges though.
"You're fat!"
I bet that's a winning legal argument for your "clients". They're lucky to have you on their team!
garage mahal said...
Disability checks not cutting it tough guy?
Why you think that someone who has a high school education, comes to this blog and routinely posts silly, easily debunked lies, while demonstrating very, very limited reading comprehension, would convince anyone they have some sort of high income is beyond me.
There are a lot of weird and stupid people on the Internet and you're obviously one of them.
garage: "They're lucky to have you on their team!"
Who has signed you on as a member of their team garage?
Do you have many takers?
phx said...
Why can't all of you argue this way? Did y'all go to public schools or what?
That coming from the imbecile who just yesterday assured us Republicans call people who disagree with them Communists.
Of course when pressed on evidence for such a claim, said imbecile starting whining that all people do who disagree with the imbecile is call names.
You can't make this level of stupid up, folks.
There are a lot of weird and stupid people on the Internet and you're obviously one of them.
Wow. What an epic pissing match. Who won?
We all lost, my friend.
What happened to sonicfrog? If I recall, he used to be a nice, sensible, relatively non-denominational commenter. Now he's gone all Andrew Sullivan on us.
It's sad when it happens to someone you know...
Garage, you have spittle all over your chin and nose.
Garage said Laura Bush appeared at the academy Awards? Did she actually present an award?
I'm trying to think back to that time and can only vaguely remember her appearing as a speaeker (amongst many others) of a documentary that was made by Errol Morris that was played during the Awards.
Is he referring to that or another incident.
Also, in the case of Reagan, he WAS an actor.
THis is the first time EVER that a first lady presented an award at the academy awards.
Jay said...
sonicfrog said...
"The Friends Of Hamas" was a joke... literally! You might want to at least pay attention to more than one news source if you want to know what's going on in the world. Breitbart is not exactly reliable, as this sad tale demonstrates.
Stupid shit:
You linking to left wing Web sites doesn't illustrate you have much of a handle of "what is going on in the world"
The fact that I know that the "Friends Of Hamas" doesn't exist, and you didn't, doesn't help you here. I don't trust anything I hear in the media... Any media, right or left. Sometimes, right leaning media get a good accurate story, sometimes, the left leaning media does. This time, the left is right, and your guys stepped in it. It was stupid for Hugh Hewitt to repeat this on the air without confirmation. It was really dumb for a sitting Senator to fall for this. But, most of all, it was stupid for Breitbart to publish before getting any confirmation... oh, yeah, I forgot. They don't typically do that.
I realize you have to knock down straw men since your idiotic drivel has no semblance to reality, but a good rejoined when being demonstrated to be spectacularly wrong is to not say link to Slate or tell someone else they don't know what's going on.
If you had an ounce of decency you would shut the fuck up.
You, however, will come back with more drivel.
It's what you silly little propagandists do.
Propaganda is the spreading of false and / or misleading information to damage an opponent, which is typical of the post-modern model of "news" reporting.
Oh, and you should look up the definition of strawman.
Here is the definition of a strawman argument:
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
Typically, a strawman argument has little or no relevance to the point at hand. Seeing that my point was this:
You've all become so reactionary to ANYTHING this President, his administration, or anyone associated with it, that anything they do, you react as a reflex action - you automatically leap before you look. The whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearings - bringing that up without even considering to get confirmation that there is any validity at all to that very serious type of accusation - made your side look absolutely ridiculous and the backlash from that stupidness probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
Since I make the assertion that a faction of the Right reflexively and in an often acidic manner reacts to anything the Obamas do or any action of the administration, and since the "Friends Of Hamas" is an example of that, it clearly is not a strawman.
So, back to the Oscars. A Liberal First Lady presents and Academy Award to a liberal film maker at an industry awards show run by a predominately liberal industry, watched by a predominately liberal leaning audience... And we're supposed to be upset about that why?
Shes not the President. She's a first lady. This has no bearing on the country, except it's just one more thing for you guys to rag on about.
PS. In case you missed it. I didn't vote for her husband in either of the last elections. He was very qualified when he ran the first time, and he's done nothing much to earn my vote this time either. He's a mediocre President at best.
THis is the first time EVER that a first lady presented an award at the academy awards.
That BITCH!
Hey C4 -- Dubya appears to actually care about the guys and gals in the military even out of office. Does not make the front page much. No glitter or scandal.
As for the Obamas ... it's E! and TMZ.
Typically, a strawman argument has little or no relevance to the point at hand.
Which is why you provided links asserting that that Breitbart News isn't accurate or reliable.
You silly little strawman, you.
sonicfrog said...
The fact that I know that the "Friends Of Hamas" doesn't exist, and you didn't, doesn't help you here.
Stupid shit:
Considering I gave the day the story was published, I certainly know about said story.
But don't worry, in your continued beclownment, you then said this:
Since I make the assertion that a faction of the Right reflexively and in an often acidic manner reacts to anything the Obamas do or any action of the administration, and since the "Friends Of Hamas" is an example of that, it clearly is not a strawman.
Uh, except that isn't what I was referring to, at all.
See dumbass, you asserted that the whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearingss probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
When I pointed out Hagel is not yet confirmed. You responded, in strawman fashion, that Breitbart News isn't accurate or reliable.
Want to guess why you did that, little fella?
phx said...
Methadras weighing in with his psychiatric problems. Just on time.
I have none other than the fact that leftards like you exist for my amusement and disdain.
I have none other than the fact that leftards like you exist for my amusement and disdain.
You're always the last to know.
Who the hell cares?
Why does this matter?
Why is this somehow 'egotistical' or 'demeaning?'
You guys are nuts. It's just a stupid TV awards show. If any of you can convince yourselves that this is serious then you have no clue about what serious is.
garage mahal said...
I will crack six figures (just barely) this year
Doing what?
Probably taking Christmas holiday photos of your mom getting saddled for the next Anheiser Busch carriage beer pull. That always fetches a pretty penny in circulation. Either that or inventing a bra big enough to hold your gravity inducing tits.
phx said...
I have none other than the fact that leftards like you exist for my amusement and disdain.
You're always the last to know.
lulz.
The obumblers are grifters. come on people, get with the program.
Which is why you provided links asserting that that Breitbart News isn't accurate or reliable.
In this case, they clearly screwed up. They play too lose with facts to be trusted without extra verification. They're not as bad as WND, but they have linked to that silly site when it serves their purposes. Still, you missed the part where I said they are right sometimes, or did you simply ignore that.
See dumbass, you asserted that the whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearingss probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
OK. Let me clarify.
...the whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearingss probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needs to get confirmed.
Semantic error. Most of the reports I've seem to indicate Hagel has the votes to squeeze by and be confirmed. If that happens, the false and sleazy story may have played a part.
When I pointed out Hagel is not yet confirmed. You responded, in strawman fashion, that Breitbart News isn't accurate or reliable.
Wow. Did you even read my response to that assertion?
Here is your first response:
Jay said...
sonicfrog said...
The whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearings - bringing that up without even considering to get confirmation that there is any validity at all to that very serious type of accusation - made your side look absolutely ridiculous and the backlash from that stupidness probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
Uh, on February 7, 2013 Breitbart News’ story on “Friends of Hamas” was written.
Chuck Hagel is not yet confirmed.
You gave the date of the original story, but no indication that you had any awareness that it's since been shown to be bogus, unless you want to stick to Breitbarts Ratherian assertion of "Fake, but accurate".
Oh, never mind. You're too seeped in partisan muck to comprehend anything with any clarity.
Oops...
Semantic error. Most of the reports I've seen seem to indicate Hagel has the votes to squeeze by and be confirmed. If that happens, the false and sleazy story may have played a part.
Listen to her again, friends, with this in mind: "Django Unchained" was in the pack.
Seriously, it doesn't matter if it's styrofoam columns or military personnel, it's all backdrop to these Obamas. They could care less what anyone thinks. They know for sure that the MSM will never say anything bad about what they do, how they act, where they vacation, or how often they vacation.
AllenS said...
Seriously, it doesn't matter if it's Styrofoam columns or military personnel, it's all backdrop to these Obamas....
Yes, it is, most certainly an attempt at emulating the formality of uniforms for a "Royal Household." Hell, even Nixon gave that idea a shot...Hooah, MF'rs!! :-(
Over 300 comments.
Some people are very very very very very very very very invested in protecting Queen Bee Bangs. (Isn't she totally cool? Did you see her on Fallon?) Reagan, like, totally did the same thing, ya lying liars. And he was FROM Hollywood so he needn't have. Or something like that. You guys.
phx: What I was asking for is someone to articulate a principle that indicates it's inappropriate for the 1st Lady to make a presentation at the Oscars.
I think it's inappropriate that Michelle Antoinette's Oscar Night military detail was larger than that assigned to our murdered ambassador to Libya.
And what's worse--- I could see the letters N*I*G set apart by a fold in the fabric of her dress.
she did it because Hollywood wanted it and it was a payback from the Obama's.
I don't disagree with that, but at some point it would be nice if someone would show a little deference and say "no."
And what's worse--- I could see the letters N*I*G set apart by a fold in the fabric of her dress.
Whatever makes you feel special.
sonicfrog said...
Oh, never mind. You're too seeped in partisan muck to comprehend anything with any clarity.
Hey stupid shit, since you have obvious and inarguable reading comprehension problems, let me help you.
You:the whole "Friends Of Hamas" fiasco at the Hagel confirmation hearingss probably ended up swaying the few votes Hagel needed to get confirmed.
Me: The story ran Feb 7 and Hagel is not confirmed
You: reitbart News isn't accurate or reliable.
The last part is the straw man, you fucking idiot.
I never commented on the accuracy of the story, speculated on the accuracy of the story, nor is it relevant here.
I'd also add that this: The fact that I know that the "Friends Of Hamas" doesn't exist, and you didn't, doesn't help you here. is another straw man.
You're a fucking dipshit.
sonicfrog said...
Most of the reports I've seem to indicate Hagel has the votes to squeeze by and be confirmed. If that happens, the false and sleazy story may have played a part.
There is no evidence, anywhere at all, to lead one to believe a singular story on a right leaning Web site has anything to do with swaying any votes.
EMD said...
Wow. What an epic pissing match. Who won?
Who cares?
What in God's name happened to this thread? Suddenly I'm seeing all sorts of non-Oscar or Hollywood stuff being flung around.
There is no evidence, anywhere at all, to lead one to believe a singular story on a right leaning Web site has anything to do with swaying any votes.
Is English a third language for you? I said "may" have played a part. Before the "friends of Hamas" thing was shown to be sloppy journalism / propaganda from Breitbart, the buzz was that Hagel didn't have the votes. After Breitbart and a few Republicans were shown to be fools for biting on this, Hagel is said to have enough votes. While there is no direct evidence that this event changed the outcome, the implications are there.
Jesus H Christ, Moses, Vishnu, and Mohammad!!...can anyone state in simple concise cogent terms specifically WHY Hagel should be Secretary of Defense and/or Brenna should be Director-CIA?
Besides Obama's petulant demand...what specially in skill sets and experience qualifies Hagel? How does being the White House mole bypassing multiple layers of command and oversight qualify Brennan?
Would any of these liberal sponsors of these spurious candidates have backed Oliver North for D-CIA? Oh, not really?...didn't think so.
One of these days, nominating and confirming wholly unqualified, political clout and suck ass creatures, such as Hillary, persons for these critical posts in the cabinet and CIA will result in disaster.
Oh, wait....U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Foreign Service officer Sean Smith, and former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods had something to say...however they are conveniently unavailable.
PS: I am a slow learned, but after a career or two in military and federal service, I am finally beginning to understand the absolute fucking need for institutionalized bureaucracy that can wreak budgets & efficiency, but also are necessary to minimize the depredations of appointed cabinet and director level assholes....not to mention the generally know-nothing appointed SES. It truly is damned if you do, damned if you don't.
PPSS: I don't much care what Michelle Obama does, it is all comedy to me...she is the blackest person I have even seen who dances like a white guy. Now that's funny.
Jay.... Hagel filibuster dies, moves toward confirmation.
One of these days, nominating and confirming wholly unqualified, political clout and suck ass creatures, such as Hillary, persons for these critical posts in the cabinet and CIA will result in disaster.
Because that didn't ever happen in Republican administrations.... Oh. Wait. Hello Mike Brown.
You probably want to do some research on this topic. It's been standard practice since at least John Adams.
sonicfrog said...
Because that didn't ever happen in Republican administrations....
Uh, did I say it never happened in Republican administrations. No...but don't let that stop your inferences. While you're at it, think about Bush appointee Gates, a total fuck up if there ever was one...which explains why Obama retained him.
Oh. Wait. Hello Mike Brown.
That'd be the Mike Brown who allegedlydidn't send FEMA and other federal responders to New Orleans & Katrina until a week had passed, right?
Well, that was bullshit and he took the fall, qualified or not...and I know the federal response began the Saturday before the Monday landfall of Katrina...because I WAS PART OF IT....my team was there Saturday...awaiting Monday. What wasn't prepared or deployed was any state or local response...how do you think federal responders know what and where things are needed? Federal resources and assets were pre-deployed and no one from NOLA or the State was there to direct distribution or coordinate relief...unlike Mississippi and Alabama.
As I said, we pre-deployed a relief materials and personnel, and had made that a practice since Puerto Rico in the late 90's when the honchos finally figured out that pre-deployment and hunkering down was easier and less costly than trying to come in over blocked roads and wires down....to find a hovel to set up in or pitch a tent in a field, or sleep in a car.
You probably want to do some research on this topic.
Good advice...you might do that before you cite bullshit and unsupported inferences as a response....especially to someone who was actually there for the crap you cite.
By the way, I was amused by the new modern FEMA under Obama & "Big Sis" in New York and New Jersey...nothing pre-deployed, and something as basic as emergency water provisions not even ordered until a week had passed (I checked it on FedBiz in disbelief when advised of it)... so yes, appointing nincompoops is harmful.
As you were, carry on....
Well, that was bullshit and he took the fall, qualified or not...and I know the federal response began the Saturday before the Monday landfall of Katrina...because I WAS PART OF IT....my team was there Saturday...awaiting Monday. What wasn't prepared or deployed was any state or local response...how do you think federal responders know what and where things are needed? Federal resources and assets were pre-deployed and no one from NOLA or the State was there to direct distribution or coordinate relief...unlike Mississippi and Alabama.
You infer a lot of things I didn't say also. I didn't say anything about FEMA not responding to Katrina. I figured he did a better job under the circumstances than some gave him credit for. Yes, the state and city governments did a horrific job prepping for this disaster.
That said, he WAS a pure political appointee - a guy who didn't so much have the qualifications for the position, but someone who was a friend of the POTUS and got the job because of it.
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