I'm not interested in all this mental masturbation, but it continues to amaze me how many people will sacrifice every principle for Obama, man who has lied to them repeatedly and come up short on every bit of promise. He's gonna need to perform a few miracles, be crucified, and rise from the dead to deserve it. How many journalist, pundits, and regular folks have fallen far and hard. People, who confronted with their hypocrisy and lack of discernment, now just shrug, [are] willing accept what would have been repugnant just a few years ago. I have lost respect for so many. I hope Petraeus does not turn out to be a disciple as well. We could use a clear-headed Judas about now.Judas has a bad reputation, but having put the familiar Jesus template on Obama, we see why bagoh20 used Judas as the model. He's saying Obama needs a betrayer, and the name Judas also evokes the word "betrayal," a word so strongly associated with General Petraeus, notoriously called General Betray Us.
But Petraeus is already dishonored and exiled. You have to betray from the inside. You have to sacrifice something valuable to yourself to build a reputation through disloyalty. As an outsider, you've got a motive to bad-mouth those who ousted you. It's hard to get credit for taking revenge.
Still, Petraeus knows what he knows, and he can be a truthteller. I think there is a path to prestige through loyalty to the truth. He has begun to take that path by openly confessing to adultery — which is a disloyalty to his wife but a truthtelling. Compare Bill Clinton's early engagement with his Lewinsky problems: He lied. But Petraeus is caught up in lies. He lied about the adultery before he confessed. And he seems to have lied to the House Intelligence Committee about Benghazi.
It's a hard path to prestige through truthtelling, but what other path is there?
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"Listen, Jesus, to the warning I give.
Please remember that I want us to live.
But it's sad to see our chances weakening with every hour.
All your followers are blind.
Too much heaven on their minds.
It was beautiful, but now it's sour.
Yes it's all gone sour..."
I'm starting to wonder if he saw the Broad as a kind of useful idiot (she certainly comes across like that) and decided to string her along, feeding her the bit about the prisoners in Benghazi, trying to let the cat out of the bag.
Right now it seems the media sees him as a way to destroy the military (gotta have all those defense cuts for food stamps), so he's going to have to go for broke (notice I didn't say all in or all out? you're welcome) and just spill everything.
If we're lucky, there'll be an Internet video in it that goes viral.
Assuming a convenient and Clintonian fatal "accident" doesn't befall him, of course.
like a plane crash.
He needs to show up Friday to testify dressed all Ivy League wearing P3s, hair slicked back and go all John Dean on President Obama. The truth will set him free!
Maybe a Jack Nicholson riff, "You can't handle the truth".
Bagoh? Isn't he the guy who supported Mittens and made excuse after excuse for Mittens' lies?
Yeah, good old Bagoh is a real authority on hypocrites and people who "sacrifice every principle" to support a liar.
There's another player in the game. Sen. "General, that requires a willing suspension of disbelief" Clinton.
what other path is there?
Mishima
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXpK7V7vZ-k
Is there an "Obama is like Nixon" tag? Because I am totally getting an All the President's Men vibe from this.
Hillary Clinton says it's her fault there was no security at the embassy. Obama goes to Vegas!
Panetta says it's his fault that we didn't respond fast enough to the attack. Obama goes to the View!
It seems to me there are a lot of pissed off people in the FBI, and the CIA as well. Who's going to break ranks?
Nothing like a subpoena to get at the truth. Nothing like a fear or perjury, or obstruction of justice.
Mr. President, you said that no one wants to know what happened at Benghazi more than you. Do we need an independent prosecutor to look into this?
Jake Diamond, stick around a few years, try making even a small percentage of intelligent comments and then maybe you will be quoted in a post.
We'll never know the truth.
Well, sure as hell no one on any side is going to believe a word the Justice Dept. has to say about this.
"I was embedded with Gen. Petraeus in Afghanistan, and it was a little confusing to some of the folks there because I am also a military reservist with a top secret FBI clearance and then some,"
Memory Holed: Paula Broadwell University of Denver Speech Video Pulled Down from YouTube
"Now, I don't know if a lot of you heard this, but the CIA annex had actually, um, had taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back. So that's still being vetted."
I don't view Obama as evil. He is just incompetent, unqualified and an unabashed zealot for wealth re-distribution. Though he is a sneak in trying to pass himself off as a moderate.
Jake Diamond said...
Bagoh? Isn't he the guy who supported Mittens and made excuse after excuse for Mittens' lies?
No, he's the one who supported the Romster and made Diamond look like the fool he is by rebutting all of the KosKid talking points.
The underside of the bus just called.
Patraeus wants his reputation back.
As long as the public cares more about their party, and defends their party cronies even when unlawful and wrong, as a society we are on a short path to chaos and ruin.
To preserve our nation as it was, we must relearn how to love the law and truth more than we love our precious parties and causes, and if we don't relearn, then we don't deserve to preserve our nation as it was bequeathed to us.
Thank you for the opportunity to testify. I want to make this very clear: I lied. I told the truth about Benghazi, but I lied about the affair with my biographer in an attempt to get the hell out of this misbegotten administration as quickly as possible.
Sure, Petraeus could tell the truth, just as Robertson could have ruled against Obamacare, just as Republican congress members could have pushed pack hard on Obama's executive orders, just as the media could have covered Benghazi or Fast and Furious or the New Black Panthers or the ballot box stuffing in Pennsylvania, etc.
But nothing seems to happen beyond the usual voices in the wilderness of the blogosphere or talk radio.
I'm halfway into Dust Bunny Queen territory. The fix seems to be in no matter what Obama does or what blows up in his face.
I'm still contemplating the old VFW guys' theory that Holder, DOJ and FBI was sent out to discredit the two top combat generals to chill the officer corpse's opposition to the appointment of John Kerry to sec of defense. If they can discredit Allen and Petraeus, they can get anyone.
What's the price for silver these days?
"brainstorming. Meade and I"
hmm
Surfed said...
What's the price for silver these days?
Much more than election day.
I'm starting to wonder if he saw the Broad as a kind of useful idiot (she certainly comes across like that) and decided to string her along, feeding her the bit about the prisoners in Benghazi, trying to let the cat out of the bag.
No. He was just thinking with his dick and trying to be a big shot. That is what all of these guys do. Remember when Dick Morris let his hooker listen into his phone calls to Clinton?
bagoh/Althouse/Meade
Delusional con teamwork. ~ That's the ticket!
mctriumph, I don't think Kerry is stupid enough to undergo confirmation. he'd have to testify under oath and there are a lot of questions.
When Petraeus told of his infidelity in his resignation statement, I thought he was preempting the Obama/Axelrod blackmail. We'll see - why wouldn't anyone just want the truth, whatever it is?
"Remember when Dick Morris let his hooker listen into his phone calls to Clinton?"
Was that before or after she tied him up?
Yes Shiloh. We know. Obama is never to blame for anything. He is perfect in every way. We get it. How dare anyone even think to ask him about ambassadors being murdered and his head of his CIA being under investigation by the FBI. He couldn't possibly be anything but perfect in every way, so why even ask about it?
Petraeus will never get his reputation back. The best he can hope for is a quiet retirement and conscious clean enough that he can live with himself.
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mctriumph, I don't think Kerry is stupid enough to undergo confirmation. he'd have to testify under oath and there are a lot of questions.
Kerry is a majority senator and the Senate in general loves to promote one of their own, prestige.
Petraeus' reputation is gone.
There is absolutely nothing he can do to get it back, but he could partly redeem himself by publicly unloading on all of the lies and crap pulled by the Obama administration on him and others.
Problem is, he does that and they'll bring him back on active duty (you can with retired regulars), prosecute him in a kangaroo court martial, and send him to jail and take away his pension.
If he didn't have the balls to tell Congress the truth when he knew the Bamaites had the goods on him, why would anyone believe he'll tell the truth when (privately) threatened with jail, loss of rank, and loss of pension?
Petraeus is for the ash heap of history now. He might as well be a Russian in a Show Trial.
@Jake "... Mittens' lies ..."
Still haven't heard form any of the progs on the following: I'll accept Romney as a liar when you give me and example of him lying like Obama with the Stafford Act and his nasty Hampton University speech.
Getting his reputation back? You never come to grips with what the reputation was in the first place -- mostly competence in military matters, I should think. He's in the same company as Generals Patton and MacArthur and many others, good military leaders all but hardly models of personal rectitude across the board. The idea of a great military leader brings with it a sort of square-jawed image of the fearless fighter, brimming with strength and rectitude, but that's mostly a movie-maker's fiction.
Petraeus' reputation as a general and military strategist who made the surge work in Iraq is secure. Nothing about his infidelity or dishonesty during his time as CIA director even casts a shadow on the reputation he developed as a military leader.
The post implies that Petraeus had a reputation for unspecified personal qualities but that's mostly just a reprise of the movie-maker's fiction about a great general's presumed personal strength and rectitude rather than anything else. "Truthtelling" now is beside the point as to Petraeus' actual reputation, and inadequate to restore a (fictional) reputation for sterling personal qualities he may never have had.
Ann ends with: "It's a hard path to prestige through truthtelling, but what other path is there?" The truth is that he was never a candidate for sitting atop a pedestal, with all the attendant hero-worship. If anything comes out of this mess, perhaps the reminder that these guys, no matter how great and inspiring they are in some things, are very much like the rest of us in everything else.
Congressional hearings as Garden of Gethsemane?
"I'm not interested in all this mental masturbation, but it continues to amaze me how many people will sacrifice every principle for Obama, man who has lied to them repeatedly and come up short on every bit of promise."
These people to who you refer and voted for Obama don't care about these issues for a variety of reasons.
John, said nothing about Obama, but re: bagoh/Althouse/Meade's critical thought process:
Since they were all quite sure Willard would win in a landslide, any talk about any subject re: deductive thinking is somewhat amusing.
Heck, everyone is laughing at Dick Morris! ok, ok, everyone has been laughing at Morris for the past (20) years!
Re: Petreaus, yes he will tell the truth. When has ever not told what he thought was the truth publicly.
What happened w/his wife behind a closed door is another matter.
Brainstorming in a nutshell!
Getting his reputation back? You never come to grips with what the reputation was in the first place -- mostly competence in military matters, I should think. He's in the same company as Generals Patton and MacArthur and many others, good military leaders all but hardly models of personal rectitude across the board. The idea of a great military leader brings with it a sort of square-jawed image of the fearless fighter, brimming with strength and rectitude, but that's mostly a movie-maker's fiction.
Petraeus' reputation as a general and military strategist who made the surge work in Iraq is secure. Nothing about his infidelity or dishonesty during his time as CIA director even casts a shadow on the reputation he developed as a military leader.
The post implies that Petraeus had a reputation for unspecified personal qualities but that's mostly just a reprise of the movie-maker's fiction about a great general's presumed personal strength and rectitude rather than anything else. "Truthtelling" now is beside the point as to Petraeus' actual reputation, and inadequate to restore a (fictional) reputation for sterling personal qualities he may never have had.
Ann ends with: "It's a hard path to prestige through truthtelling, but what other path is there?" The truth is that he was never a candidate for sitting atop a pedestal, with all the attendant hero-worship. If anything comes out of this mess, perhaps the reminder that these guys, no matter how great and inspiring they are in some things, are very much like the rest of us in everything else.
If he lied to Congress, then he needs to be prosecuted like Roger Clemens was. I thought Clemens prosecution was dumb,as was the whole steroids in baseball investigation by Congress. But if the DOJ is going to prosecute a pitcher for lying about taking steroids they can prosecute the CIA head for lying about Benghazi, where US citizens serving our country were killed.
I'm with Dust Bunny Queen. On another thread, she remarked that she is done, kaput, throwing in the towel. Or something like that. And I feel the same way. Obama, the Media, Petreus, Hillary, etc are all liars. There is no way - none - to the truth. And most disturbingly, even if it would be revealed, the American people dont give a damn. As long as they can sock it to the "rich", get their free phones, pay no taxes, they dont care. The stupidity, shallowness and selfishness of our country was revealed last Tuesday. No hope for our nation at all.
Yes Shiloh, I know Obama is perfect. It is insulting and disgraceful that Althouse would even question him. Hopefully in a second term Obama can get the FBI out to shut people like Althouse up. I little time in jail and some re-education would do her and her wingnuts some good. Right Shiloh?
John, your Obama fetish is kinda cute!
You mean you don't love Obama Shiloh? I don't understand? You think some of this might be his fault? How is that possible? Please tell me how he is not perfect why we shouldn't be rounding up people like Althouse and her followers?
Are you some kind of a racist Shiloh? You can't handle having a black President who is perfect? Are you threatened by a strong black man?
I little time in jail and some re-education would do her and her wingnuts some good. Right Shiloh?
I've always said I'm for free speech for conservatives. After they're in the camps!
You and Bill Ayers. :-)
Garage - are you a Nazi?
Seems to me that many of our heros have feet of Clay--General Grant comes to mind. But let me put forward the soldier's general: Omar Bradley (a classmate of Ikes at West Point). Would more of the current crop of Generals take General Bradley as their role model. Alas, not so.
Petraeus needs to get immunity and tell ALL about what Obama has been doing. That will make him a 'John Dean' but that is about the best he can do.
Oh--and in fairness to General Grant: he fought--I do hope that President Lincoln actually sent the barrels of whiskey to Grant's generals.
Truthtelling, and the remainder of his life devoted to charity, Ã la John Profumo.
Oh the wailing, the tearing of hair, rending of garments and the donning of sack cloth, gnashing of teeth and deep deep depression, should there be nothing more to this all than has already come to light.
To want something so bad and then not get it would be very sad in deed. I worry for y'all.
To want something so bad and then not get it would be very sad in deed. I worry for y'all.
I doubt that very much.
I'm with Dust Bunny Queen. On another thread, she remarked that she is done, kaput, throwing in the towel.
marylynn: I know the feeling. I'm not convinced that Obama is going to be called to account for anything until Americans feel the economic bite of his policies. That will happen and it won't be pretty. The young, especially, are going to figure out who the rubes are.
Voters will turn hard against Obama and Democrats by 2014.
Perhaps Petraeus went to Libya to contact the two unnamed Libyans who "confirmed" to an Arab stringer for the NYT that the Benghazi attack was about the video. Of course the Times would have had to disclose the sources, but it would have been for a good cause - the re-election of the Obamessiah.
Oh. Did I forget the sarcasm alert at 11:59?
To want something so bad and then not get it would be very sad in deed.
What we want is the truth. What's sad is that are unlikely to get it.
What's also sad--but trivial--is your closed-minded partisanship.
I've always said I'm for free speech for conservatives. After they're in the camps!
Don't deceive yourself that he speaks in jest.
Voters will turn hard against Obama and Democrats by 2014.
Honestly, I don't see it. The tougher things get, the *more* susceptible people are to bribery and graft, not less. Class warfare gets easier when people are insecure, not harder. It's a vicious cycle that sadly probably won't end until it reaches rock bottom. What does "rock bottom" look like? I'm not sure, but so long as the lights are and you've eaten today, we probably haven't reached it.
Petraeus lied, his repuntation died. No resurrection.
Petraeus will live in infamy as Gen. Betray-Us.
He lied to protect his own reputation and send a hapless parolee to jail. He lied and shred the parolee's First Amendment rights.
Honestly, I don't see it. The tougher things get, the *more* susceptible people are to bribery and graft, not less.
Sofa King: Could be. However, while the past four years have been difficult, they were cushioned by a lot of easy money that Obama et al. put into the system as well as people's rainy day money they've saved.
The bite from Obamacare starts next year and that will be noticed as people see their healthcare plans vanish, full-time jobs fall away, and the real Obamacare taxes happen. The young especially will notice. There is no way for Obamacare to be blamed on Bush and the Republicans.
I don't think Americans will wait until they are missing meals to get really cranky about the economy and taxes.
marylynn said:
The stupidity, shallowness and selfishness of our country was revealed last Tuesday. No hope for our nation at all.
Romney got 59 million votes, or 48% of those who voted. Don’t those people count for anything to you?
garage mahal said...
I little time in jail and some re-education would do her and her wingnuts some good. Right Shiloh?
I've always said I'm for free speech for conservatives. After they're in the camps!
Like to see ya try.
creeley23 said..."The young especially will notice."
Don't give credit where credit is not due. In any case, you are talking about the young who have a job, about 50% of the new college grads.
"I don't think Americans will wait until they are missing meals to get really cranky about the economy and taxes."
Tax the rich, the blood suckers.
One amazing thing about the so-called working class is they voluntarily subjected themselves to Union bosses's exploitations, they are jealous of the rich, their employers. It's always other people's fault that they can't find a job.
I asked a union worker once how they could approve of the union boss's half a million salary, his inch thick gold chains, his Hugo Boss suits, Italian shoes, chauffeured limousine. The brainless worker told me, the boss has to keep up appearances so he would not be looked down by the management in negotiations in which they would get another 25 cents per hour.
The mind boggles.
Via neo-neocon, this is worth a read. Here’s a tasty morsel:
TO THE GLOATERS crowing over the comments sections of every conservative and Republican website: burn through every gallon of that sweet euphoria as quickly and fully as you can, for it will very soon become stale and leave only the putrid taste of rot in your mouth. I know you, for I’ve seen your peers and walk among them in the Land of the Frenchmen. Tomorrow, the effects of your plebiscite will pierce through the exhilaration of your victory, and they will crush you as much as they afflict those you mock today.
Just as they did in France, the policies you champion will affect everyone’s standards of living, directly and indirectly. If you are wealthy today, your wealth will dwindle tomorrow. If you are already poor or believe yourself so, you will never rise and prosper.
Soon, just as the French did, you will realize that you’ve elected yourself servants of an unaccountable oligarchy courted by a small intelligentsia to which you will never belong, from which you will never profit and of which you can never get rid. Then, you will join the legions of what the French call les déçus de la Gauche, or "the Left’s disappointed"—Indeed, even in Left wing France, the Left never fails to disappoint its followers for it is made of and thrives on fallacy and deceit.
Just as the French, when you realize that the effects of the political model you tout today cascade and accumulate to the point where you have effectively handed that oligarchy a permanent majority that begins to feed on its pawns—you—it will be too late and your loss will be complete.
Understand this: I am not a US citizen nor a resident in the USA, so this is not the bitter retort of a sore loser. This is a prophecy from a foreigner who has seen your future because he lives in it: you, my friend, who laugh today will cry twice as much tomorrow.
It's a hard path to prestige through truthtelling, but what other path is there?
Why do I predict with great certainty and confidence that John Dean will not be coming on television to impart the wisdom and courage of "truth telling"?
I'm going with my gut.
The young, especially, are going to figure out who the rubes are.
The young are fucking morons. They will never get how much they've been played --- but I don't care.
They have earned their useless degrees, mounds of debt, and zero job prospects.
At this point, I'm seeing Patreus as more of a Colin Powell/Wesley Clark type of general. A moderate if not teetering into liberalville. At this point, all I see is a lot of people in the know knowingly ignoring congress or falling on their swords to get away from this as fast as possible. I'm beginning to think that the depth of Benghazi is that it was a gun running operation to the brotherhood and AQ backed rebels against Assad. More or Fast and Furious in the Middle East. That levels to conflate and twist the truth in this regard will be a history book unto itself. This will not bode well for anyone, much less for this country.
Even Iran/Contra tried to sink to this level with the implication that Oliver North's and his secretary, Fawn Hall had a fling which was another smokescreen that ended up being false, I believe. But the stain of Benghazi is going to be with us for a long, long time because of the terrorist impact of it all. Obama is trying to ride out the wave that Bin Laden is gone, therefore terrorism is too. This will not work and it will only embolden the enemy to continue these attacks on our soft spots.
Our underwear is showing and they stole our pants. Thanks Obama. This is on you.
The young are fucking morons. They will never get how much they've been played --- but I don't care.
Maybe you guys are right. Maybe the kids are going to be go along passively like the young in Europe and Japan have.
I am assuming ordinary levels of selfishness and ambition that I'd expect from Americans of the past. But maybe the kids had that beaten out of them by all the political correctness teaching they've received.
"It's hard to get credit for taking revenge."
This.
If credit isn't valued then does it matter?
And, because the most transparent regime will be having a closed-door circus replete with come-to-Jesus instructions for Petraeus - ones that if he doesn't follow may result in his body taking on room temperature.
When it comes to identifying exactly where the government and the media are in terms of 'evolution', we are in an extremely corrupt stage. We have a government that is apparently afraid of citizens, so much so that the jailings and raids have become commonplace. Privacy? There is none, you can bet your bippy.
CORRUPT
The only plausible explanation for Patraeus acting like Obama's yard dog is that they've got a lot more on him. That the adultery was the least of it.
You just don't watch your entire life and career go down the toilet for some vague greater good. Much less for a jive-turkey president.
Man, the things we don't know.
Why are a bunch of pols and business leaders in Australia right now? Are they negotiating asylum?
Maybe the 21st century will be the Aussie century.
Talent goes where it's welcome.
I’m with Methdras on this and have said so previously. I understand that the CIA’s station in Benghazi appears to be the largest in the Middle East. There is every reason to believe that the CIA was using their facility collect the weapons K-daffy had in large quantities to be shipped to Syrian rebels using the Turks are the conduit. As an added bonus, we may also have been involved in some rough-and-ready interrogation of people we didn’t like.
The Right supported Petraeus because we like victorious generals, but we have absolutely no idea of his political views. We can be fairly sure that he is a political animal because you don’t get four stars without that qualification.
The press remains perfectly willing to accept Team Obama’s explanation for everything.
Attack on Benghazi cause by a video? Sure.
Not enough security because nobody ever told them? Sure.
The only real force that could be mustered had to come from the US? Yep.
Nearly a week after the fact Rice goes on all the talk shows and blames the video? Makes sense.
Rice is picked as the front man instead of Clinton because she knew nothing about the attack except what Team Obama told her. Of course.
Who wrote the talking points for Ambassador Rice? Who cares?
What was the facility in Benghazi? Shut up.
Why was the Ambassador there on 9/11? Why not?
What was the meeting with the Turkish official about? None of our business.
Were we "walking guns" to Syria's rebels, if so, is there any indication of Iranian or Syrian involvement in the attack? We already told you, it was a spontaneous demonstration that got out of hand.
Who knew what and when; specifically what orders were given? Look a squirrel, or sex with a General.
An ex-diplomat called this the Whitewater defense which turned garden variety political bribery into a sex case distracting everyone from the real crime. And Team Obama could not be more pleased that the MSM has been given an excuse to focus on salacious details while the Benghazi scandal is forgotten by everyone except the alternative media. And look boys and girls, it’s a twofer: not only does it distract attention from military and diplomatic disasters, but it is well on its way to decapitating the military.
Don't know if anyone else said this --
The only way he can get his reputation back is to run for President in 2016 as a Democrat.
"The only way he can get his reputation back is to run for President in 2016 as a Democrat."
Dems coddle adulterers, but hate warmongers.
Reps coddle warmongers, but won't vote for adulterers.
The Gen. is toast.
"Dems coddle adulterers, but hate warmongers.
Reps coddle warmongers, but won't vote for adulterers."
David Vitter was re-elected 57/38 in 2010.
Vitter faced a potentially serious challenge in the Republican primary as well as the general election. Tony Perkins, a former Louisiana state representative and current president of the socially conservative Family Research Council, acknowledged interest in running against Vitter because of the prostitution scandal. Nonetheless, Perkins decided not to run; Perkins ((( endorses ))) Vitter for reelection.
Indeed, Rep family value hypocrisy was off the chart, as per usual ie as previously mentioned ...
Mark Sanford
Larry Craig
John Ensign
Deviant Mark Foley
Althouse, your con lemmings are delusional on just about every subject.
Ah consistency!
The Dems hate warmongers?
FDR
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