November 12, 2012

"Now, I don't know if a lot of you heard this, but the CIA annex had actually, um, had taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner..."

"... and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back. So that's still being vetted."

Paula Broadwell burbled, a little too pleased with her access to power.
A few days later, Petraeus testified in a closed session to Congress that the attack was due in large part to an anti-Islam video and a spontaneous uprising....

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chickelit said...

Single payer, not single pater. WE're not Latin here. yet

edutcher said...

EMD said...

My apologies, rcommal. Catty woman.

Catty women are more prone to catfights, rolling around on the floor, tearing at each other's clothes, and then there's the chance, you know, that they might kiss ...


Ever the optimist...

Anybody want to speculate on an Althouse-Oop cage match?

My money's on the blonde.

AnUnreasonableTroll said...

I think Althouse attracts the most unhinged set of republicans anywhere on the internets. Over on Redstate there are thoughtful discussions about Laffer curves and tax rates, the Corner manages to make a reasonable stab at the pluses and minuses of remaking immigration policy, but here on Althouse it is conspiracy theories 24/7

RedState is as much dedicated to knocking Republicans as it is to Libertarianism (no surprise Troll likes it) and NRO strains for respectability.

Troll is afraid here because republicans think.

sydney said...

I agree that we spend too much on healthcare. In many parts of the country, healthcare institutions are the biggest employers. It's true here in Northeast Ohio.The Cleveland Clinic employs more people than any other company. More than the auto industry. Other top employers in the region are - wait for it - government agencies. This isn't just true of NE Ohio. The same phenomenon is occuring all over the country.

There is something wrong with a nation that spends all of its time and money on healthcare and government rather than actually making and selling things. (And by the way, doctors' salaries are a very small piece of that healthcare pie.)

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chickelit said...

ARM wants to divorce us from our reliance on fossil fuels so that other nations can enjoy those bountiful blessings and produce things more cheaply.

He also wouldn't mind seeing a hefty carbon tax implemented and the proceeds sent to Africa. I think I've sparred with him over this before IRC.

garage mahal said...

I think doctors should pay more for their own healthcare, yes

I think I should pay less for my healthcare, and one major reason why I can't is because doctors are ridiculously overpaid.

IDEA: Let doctors from other countries come here and do the same work for a fraction of the cost. Free markets.

AReasonableMan said...

sydney said...
I agree that we spend too much on healthcare. In many parts of the country, healthcare institutions are the biggest employers. It's true here in Northeast Ohio.The Cleveland Clinic employs more people than any other company.


Yes. I was also aware of that factlet and it is not an encouraging sign for the economic health of the country.

leslyn said...

HEAR YE, HEAR YE! PETRAEUS/BROADWELL is moving to the Kettle Moraine cafe.

David said...

"IDEA: Let doctors from other countries come here and do the same work for a fraction of the cost. Free markets."

Uh, Garage, it's already happened. Except they won't work for shit either.

If only doctor salaries were what is driving health care costs, you might have some kind of case.

AReasonableMan said...

chickelit said...
He also wouldn't mind seeing a hefty carbon tax implemented and the proceeds sent to Africa. I think I've sparred with him over this before IRC.


Why don't you focus on outlining your ideas rather than trying to put words in my mouth? And, you don't recall correctly.

leslyn said...

HEAR YE, HEAR YE! PETRAEUS/BROADWELL is moving to the Kettle Moraine cafe.

chickelit said...

AReasonableMan said...
And, you don't recall correctly.

Sorry about that, ARM. Sometimes you guys all look and sound alike. You must know how it is.

chickelit said...

leslyn said...
HEAR YE, HEAR YE! PETRAEUS/BROADWELL is moving to the Kettle Moraine cafe.

Not me. I'm flouncing off for a bit.

Maguro said...

It is very successful export industry. We need all we can get in order to compete long term. You may not like the politics but the economics is pretty pure.

But it's full of 1%ers. Don't we need to soak those bastards if we're going to get the country on the right track? I mean, at some point, you've made enough money, right? If outright nationalization is too much for you, howzabout a 90% windfall tax on entertainment income over $500k? Surely that's enough money for Clooney and co to live on. They ain't gonna starve, amirite?

pm317 said...

Fox confirms Paula there were prisoners in the annex. Now what?!

Patrick said...

I think I should pay less for my healthcare, and one major reason why I can't is because doctors are ridiculously overpaid.

I wouldn't recommend hiring a cheap doctor. MD's get paid well because few people can do what they do.

I do agree that MD's (and other labor, for that matter) ought to be able to work here more easily.

One question: I just turned to the 200+ page of comments. How did we go from discussing Petraeus and his affair to free market health care? Those must be some interesting comments.

hombre said...

AReasonableMan wrote: I think Althouse attracts the most unhinged set of republicans anywhere on the internets. Over on Redstate there are thoughtful discussions about Laffer curves and tax rates,....

Are we to pretend here that if you were able to recognize "thoughtful discussions about Laffer curves and tax rates" you would continue to be what you are?

garage mahal said...

MD's get paid well because few people can do what they do

I'm not convinced of that at all.

edutcher said...

Good luck with the DIY Appendectomy Kit.

Baron Zemo said...


"I think I should pay less for my healthcare, and one major reason why I can't is because doctors are ridiculously overpaid."

Dude!

Can you tell us the name of your proctologist because I am sure he would like to be aware of how you feel.

BDNYC said...

I didn't realize there were wage and price controls keeping doctor salaries artificially high. I learn new things every day.

Patrick said...

MD's get paid well because few people can do what they do

I'm not convinced of that at all.


Really? How many people get into med school, from a pretty self selecting group? I don't know what the answer is, but US News says its less than 10%. And that is of people who think they can be doctors.

Link

Calypso Facto said...

How did we go from discussing Petraeus and his affair to free market health care? Those must be some interesting comments.

Your optimism, while charming, is sadly unwarranted.

Baron Zemo said...

"How did we go from discussing Petraeus and his affair to free market health care"

Well the general picked up a dose and he was complaining about much the shots cost and how he wants the government to pay for it.

Michael K said...

"garage mahal said...

I think doctors should pay more for their own healthcare, yes

I think I should pay less for my healthcare, and one major reason why I can't is because doctors are ridiculously overpaid.

IDEA: Let doctors from other countries come here and do the same work for a fraction of the cost. Free markets."

I think you will get your wish. Canada closed nursing schools and froze medical schools so they could import foreign trained docs and nurses. They stopped building hospitals, too.

The foreign doctors came but didn't want to work for less. They have found ways around it and the situation was not much of an improvement but you will have your chance to see it.

The foreign MDs do better by staying home. Living is cheap. Many x-rays are now read in India, for example. We'll see how cheap medicine can get. Hopefully, I'll be gone before it gets so cheap that the red pill is the solution.

Baron Zemo said...

There will be an answer to Obamacare.

It is called the black market.

People who can pay for the proper medical care will pay for it. Those that can not will die. In government pens. Like the sheep they are.

rcommal said...

Putting aside for the moment the argument as to whether doctors are or are overpaid, I don't think it's particularly useful to use the word "doctors" generically. Are we talking about General Practitioners? Pediatricians? Plastic Surgeons? Oncologists? OB-GYNs? Radiologists? Rarefied specialties within specialties? Etc. and so forth. To what degree does malpractice insurance (and differences in rates etc. between specialties) affect this? What about overhead costs, the labor and time and so on, associated with reporting requirements, regulations, insurance and so forth?

I think it's more complicated than too-little/too much, is all I'm saying.

AJ Lynch said...

Hey Garbage, a lot of us here believe we are paying way too much for way too much govt because a lot of govt workers are overpaid.

rcommal said...

That should be: "are or are *not*"

virgil xenophon said...

RE: Healthcare. I want to be one of two guys when Obamacare kicks in full-tilt boogie: either a) the insurance guy with a lock on the flood insurance sales franchise for the Caribbean, because every frippin island is going to sink under the weight of all the specialists east of the Mississippi re-locating there, or, b) be the attorney who passes on the act of sale on every property in a band 50 miles deep from The Gulf to Baja Calif south of the US-Mexican border when every specialist west of the Mississippi relocates there--that's all, is that too much to ask?

Baron Zemo said...

You think doctors are paid too much until you need one. Then if they help you they are not paid nearly enough.

Of course money and class warfare is why were are here right now.

Obama thinks that doctors are just more of the people who have to have their incomes adjusted. To be fair.

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AJ Lynch said...

Reader:

Garbage and Obama are talking about the evil doctors who want to amputate your leg for $1,000.

Patrick said...

How much should physicians be paid? Should that vary by specialty? If you truly think that many more people could do it, why should a neurosurgeon be paid more than anything else? Who would decide these salaries?

Calypso Facto said...

Back on topic, here's my question of the moment: How credible is it that the FBI just stumbled into all of this because it was checking out claims of email harassment from a Florida socialite? "The FBI investigation began with five to 10 emails beginning around May and received by Ms. Kelley, according to U.S. officials." If I call up the FBI and say I'm being harassed online, what do you think the chances are I'll get a response at all, much less a full investigation using "metadata footprints left by the emails to determine what locations they were sent from"???

Paco Wové said...

My physician is Syrian. My cardiologist is Pakistani. I don't think it has done much to lower my medical costs, but I could be wrong.

AEH said...

"Some men don't know what a tongue is for." -Braveheart

BDNYC said...

I think it's interesting to ponder who gets paid too much or not enough, and why. The only people whose salaries the government can really control are government workers, and even there the government's power is circumscribed by the unions. Many private sector workers, doctors included, plausibly benefit from certain government policies. But it's an indirect relationship. The government cannot simply snap its fingers and reduce private doctor salaries.

I suspect what garage really wants is for all doctors to be government employees who can be controlled. Their work is too important to leave to the private sector and profit. A central planning committee of healthcare experts can best determine their proper compensation and the best way for them to deliver medical care to patients.

bagoh20 said...

To get good education you need to pay teachers really well, but with doctors it's not really a factor. In fact, you can probably just interchange them when things get busy.

bagoh20 said...

I'm gonna say it right up front before the story gets out: If it turns out that the Obama administration has been torturing people with enhanced interrogation, I will not let it affect my complete and total devotion. I'm gonna be on the right side of history even if I have to sacrifice every principle I hold to get there.

garage mahal said...

Doctors in the U.S. can charge twice as much as their counterparts in Germany or Canada. Because they can, and we are stupid. If the U.S. paid the same amount per capita for its health care as people in Canada, Germany or any other wealthy country we would be looking at budget surpluses, not deficits.

AReasonableMan said...

Patrick said...
MD's get paid well because few people can do what they do

I'm not convinced of that at all.

Really? How many people get into med school, from a pretty self selecting group? I don't know what the answer is, but US News says its less than 10%. And that is of people who think they can be doctors.


This is confusing two issues. Once you get into med school subsequent steps are relatively easy. Very few people fail med school and you are guaranteed a comparatively high income once you graduate, largely independent of your competence as a physician. Given these circumstances, not surprisingly, it is very hard to get into med school. This does not mean that most of the people who get in are well suited for medicine or even that a majority are, nor does it mean that the people that are excluded would not make competent physicians in many cases. The successful applicants unquestionably perform well on standardized tests and are good at interviews. Many of these people would do well or better in other fields, however, but the returns would be less certain. To some degree med school selects for the anti-entrepreneur, smart people who don't want to take risks in their career.

AReasonableMan said...

garage mahal said...
If the U.S. paid the same amount per capita for its health care as people in Canada, Germany or any other wealthy country we would be looking at budget surpluses, not deficits.


This fact cannot be stated too often. Health care costs are killing the county. We pay more than the Japanese, who are notorious hypochondriacs.

Erika said...

I haven't read all the comments, maybe this discussion is dead, but you know what: I would voluntarily give up my right to vote if it would mean that all the damaged women [read that particularly apt phrase somewhere else today] would stop voting like retards.

pm317 said...

Curioser and curioser..

“This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” Kranz told The New York Daily News about his 40-year-old daughter’s affair with the four star general.

Anonymous said...

Back on topic, here's my question of the moment: How credible is it that the FBI just stumbled into all of this because it was checking out claims of email harassment from a Florida socialite?

Calypso Facto: No, this is not making much sense. Nor is the current timeline from Reuters.

But as long as you keep telling yourself that it has nothing to do with Benghazi and the timing is just an unfortunate coincidence, you can't go far wrong.

bagoh20 said...

Hey, calling us "socialists" just proves how crazy you wingnuts really are.

mccullough said...

A big reason U.S. health costs are higher than foreign is that they free ride off us. Medical innovation occurs because the U.S. market pays for it and companies can then sell it to other countries above MC.

No one spends more per capita in education than the U.S. We spend the most, by far, and have pretty mediocre results.

Let's spend less on both because we'll get basically the same health and education outcomes we already have for much less cost.

Maguro said...

This fact cannot be stated too often. Health care costs are killing the county. We pay more than the Japanese, who are notorious hypochondriacs.

Uh, OK. Since you've decided that Japan is the country you want to emulate, how do you propose getting there? It's not like Japan has a purely governmental healthcare system like the UK, healthcare in Japan is delivered (and paid for) by a mix public and private actors, much as it is in the US.

I suspect that one of the things that makes healthcare in Japan cheap is relative lack of malpractice lawsuits. It is a very un-litigious society and one that is very respectful of doctors, some might say to a fault. That aspect of Japanese society would be damn near impossible to replicate here.

virgil xenophon said...

@Baron Zemo/

Like it or not the day of the independent physician is unfortunately going the way of the Dodo Bird. In the future most will be salaried W-2 employees of hospitals/Clinics making 50-75K/yr just like the Opthamologists/Optometrists who work in the shopping centers for Wal-Mart/Lens-Crafters, Target, Sears, Pearl-Vision, et al. Same as dentists who have been increasingly sucked into the Nat. Dentist Chains. And the same for caps on RN salaries. Trust me, the financial incentives for big bonuses accruing to Hosp Administrators for keeping nurses salaries down (Nursing is the single biggest cost-center in a Hosp) will see to that..

Baron Zemo said...

There are black market doctors now.

We don't need no stinkin' W-2's.

Doctors are going to go off the grid.

Many already do.

Cedarford said...

BDNYC said...
I didn't realize there were wage and price controls keeping doctor salaries artificially high. I learn new things every day.


Like many right wing doctor pay worshippers - you fail to understand they get pay 3 times to 7 times what their counterparts in similar advanced countries get. Mainly because they restrict the supply of potential doctors - by resticting medical school spaces. And then maximize pay further by their "guild" be the ones in charge of all medical services - with final say in what restrictions non-doctors may do in the lucrative medical services, dispensing biz.

Some 80% of what US doctors do can be done by lower trained people. Other countries either have a glut of doctors or delegate down.

And using treatment protocols that doctors help devise..but which can and are done by techs following the procedure.

Lawyers in America do the same scam...though not as successful as US doctors in fighting new schools and shortened degree times.



AReasonableMan said...

Maguro said...
Uh, OK. Since you've decided that Japan is the country you want to emulate, how do you propose getting there? It's not like Japan has a purely governmental healthcare system like the UK, healthcare in Japan is delivered (and paid for) by a mix public and private actors, much as it is in the US.

I suspect that one of the things that makes healthcare in Japan cheap is relative lack of malpractice lawsuits. It is a very un-litigious society and one that is very respectful of doctors, some might say to a fault.


I can't think of any aspect of Japanese society I would want to emulate other than the gardens. I like the gardens.

Obama and the Dems made a mistake in not dealing with medical litigation costs. The estimates I saw suggested that this was not a big driver of costs but I doubt this can be measured very accurately.

Baron Zemo said...

And garage you know who gets paid way to much based on what they produce?

School teachers.

Let's cut them to the bone first before we cut doctors salaries.

EMD said...

"thoughtful discussions about Laffer curves and tax rates"

THoughtful discussions about Laffer curves and tax rates are fucking boring, IMHO.

EMD said...

I had a detached retina ... without intervention, I would have lost my sight in one eye.

My Croatian surgeon (Dino) fixed it.

I don't know what the price for that should be.

Patrick said...

ARM

Assuming you're correct about what I wrote (I don't know if it is, it's plausible), but what measure would you use? Of course docs get through who shouldn't, and some who should get in do not. But, I find it very difficult to believe, as Garage apparently does, that lots of people could be doctors. Really, the only people I know that I would trust with my health are already physicians. I don't know anyone who is not one who I think should, or even could be one.

AJ Lynch said...

Even if we had a magic bullet that cured every disease so healthcare costs dropped by 90%, our elected pols would still spend way more than they get in tax receipts.

AReasonableMan said...

EMD said...
I had a detached retina ... without intervention, I would have lost my sight in one eye.

My Croatian surgeon (Dino) fixed it.

I don't know what the price for that should be.


And this points to a particular problem with health care, when it comes to our own health we generally find it hard to think rationally about costs. No one is really immune to this.

Colonel Angus said...

I'm trying to do the math and understand how raising my taxes closes the so called wealth disparity.

Unless that means taking more of my earnings and giving them to someone else.

Maguro said...

And this points to a particular problem with health care, when it comes to our own health we generally find it hard to think rationally about costs. No one is really immune to this.

Right, so who makes the call that this guy doesn't really need sight in both eyes?

Maguro said...

The real issue is always "Who decides?". Always.

Colonel Angus said...

I think I should pay less for my healthcare, and one major reason why I can't is because doctors are ridiculously overpaid.

Indeed, right up to the point you need them for lifesaving care.

IDEA: Let doctors from other countries come here and do the same work for a fraction of the cost. Free markets.

Actually that's an excellent idea. Perhaps comprehensive immigration reform should entail having a marketable skill as a pre requisite for citizenship. More high skilled labor versus low skilled minimum wage earners.

Brilliant. You actually provided an intelligent solution for once.

garage mahal said...

Some 80% of what US doctors do can be done by lower trained people. Other countries either have a glut of doctors or delegate down.

RN's certainly [with some training] could do a fine job setting broken bones, stitching cuts, and dispensing drugs for common ailments.

Colonel Angus said...

If you want to lower health care costs, adopt mandated catastrophic care coverage and leave it at that. Kid has an earache, pay for that yourself.

I provide an HMO plan for my FTEs because I'm not about to foot the premium outlays for a PPO plan that covers every stubbed toe or ailment. You want the Canadian system? That's nothing but one big HMO. Managed care is what keeps costs down.

Also, we are not a healthy country. When folks start taking care of themselves, costs will go down.

AReasonableMan said...

Patrick said...
ARM

Assuming you're correct about what I wrote (I don't know if it is, it's plausible), but what measure would you use? Of course docs get through who shouldn't, and some who should get in do not. But, I find it very difficult to believe, as Garage apparently does, that lots of people could be doctors. Really, the only people I know that I would trust with my health are already physicians. I don't know anyone who is not one who I think should, or even could be one.


A lot of kids who miss out on med school are plenty smart. It is particularly hard to get into med school because you have to maintain a very high GPA through four years of college. This means getting an A on art, even if you have no aptitude. It is as much a test of endurance and determination as it is of intelligence. Of the kinds of intelligence that I particularly value you would find equally smart people in electrical engineering or applied maths programs.

One of my kids qualified for med school but wouldn't go. I begged him to go because it is such a secure profession, a parent's dream. He is more of a risk taker than the typical med student. Not clear how that will work out for him.

chickelit said...

RN's certainly [with some training] could do a fine job setting broken bones, stitching cuts, and dispensing drugs for common ailments.

Nurse practitioners (NPs) and I guess in your part of the world PA's (physician's assistants) already do. A great deal of nursing (RN) is on the job training.

Anonymous said...

Navy Corpsman Veterans would be ideal. They have a wide range of knowledge, not as in depth as a nurse practioner, but as hands on experience, yes. They do sutures, injections, they can prescribe, Would be invaluable in an ER or urgent care. I'm not saying docs could be replaced, but wouldn't need to be tied up with minor issues.

EMD said...

If you want to lower health care costs, adopt mandated catastrophic care coverage and leave it at that. Kid has an earache, pay for that yourself.

Bang.

The problem was in letting third parties get involved in the medical process. If you HAD to pay for your own care, you'd be healthier.



bagoh20 said...

The surgeon that did my organ transplant is the highest paid public employee in the state of California. He is considered the best in the world, and has saved thousands of lives over decades of work. Work that although still miraculous was actually a miracle when he started doing it. I can't really think of who should be higher paid than him. Governor Moonbeam?

bagoh20 said...

What should be the highest paid profession in the Socialist Republic of Moonbatia?

Anonymous said...

Turnabout is fair play, a conspiracy theory from a different perspective.

Interesting picture of Paula Broadwell with Karl Rove. I think there is so much more to this story and as in the election there may be some huge surprises.

Pure conspiracy at this time, totally unsubstantiated, or is it?

Maguro said...

Reporter: "How can you justify making a higher salary than the President of the United States?"

Babe Ruth: "Well, I had a better year than he did."

Bob said...

Calypso
Entirely plausible. We stumble upon stuff in email all the time. Especially private email. Why it took so long is a big issue as is why Ms Kelly got an FBI to investigate. This story has a long way to go

Colonel Angus said...

Interesting picture of Paula Broadwell with Karl Rove.

What's so interesting about it?

As for the story, its pretty simple. Obama chose military intervention against a sovereign nation to effect regime change. Then, with no follow up plan in place, Libya is now teeming with Islamist radicals, a bunch of whom murdered the US ambassador and three other Americans.

Why should the media look into this when they didn't even bother to question why Obama was pursuing regime change in Libya?

virgil xenophon said...

@Paco Wove/

Yeah, the neurosurgeon who saved my 80-yr-old Fathers life from a cranial bleed was a Turk--but it was in Palm Springs. Somehow I don't think Palm-Springs is the epicenter of lowered health-care costs, lol. The State of Illinois picked up most of the tab. Illinois has (or had) great ins for State employees. Know why? They modeled it word-for-word, provision by provision, after the Federal Plan that Congress has..

AJ Lynch said...

Public transit workers in Philly's SEPTA system get an average of $90,000 in wages and benefits. I bet Garbage doesn't think they are overpaid.

leslyn said...

Calypso facto,

Good luck trying to get back on topic.

"If I call up the FBI and say I'm being harassed online, what do you think the chances are I'll get a response at all, much less a full investigation?"

I'd say pretty good, if you say you're getting harassed/threatened about the director of the CIA.

Don't try this at home.

AReasonableMan said...

AJ Lynch said...
Public transit workers in Philly's SEPTA system get an average of $90,000 in wages and benefits.


You phrased that in an interesting way, 'with benefits'. How much of that number is health care. I bet it is a significant slug.

Calypso Facto said...

Now to address garage's thread derailment. Hospitalization and clinical services account for a little over 50% of healthcare spending. Of that, out of pocket payment and private insurance pick up the majority. (Cool graphic here.) Of the remaining billed services, physician charges make up about 30%. Still think you're going to balance the Federal government's deficits by your plan to reduce the quality of doctors available to those in gov't care?

Or more directly, physician's salaries make up about 8% of healthcare expenditures and are more than half paid for through private funds, which leaves the gov't paying about $100 billion a year in MD salaries. Yet somehow garage thinks half that number, $50 billion, is going to cover the $1 trillion deficit.

leslyn said...

AJ Lynch said... Public transit workers in Philly's SEPTA system get an average of $90,000 in wages and benefits.

I've seen you make this claim before, but I've not been able to substantiate it. Here's one link: http://www.careerbliss.com/salary/septa-salaries-3236121/.

I can't believe I'm letting myself get sucked into this vortex of diversion. AAAHHHHaaahhhh....

Calypso Facto said...

I'd say pretty good, if you say you're getting harassed/threatened about the director of the CIA.

But that's the thing...the emails to Kelley apparently never mentioned Petraeus or his position (though maybe his positions!)

Calypso Facto said...

I don't know about Philly, leslyn, but Madison's highest paid public employee has been a bus driver many years.

Patrick said...



ARM - if you're still there, anyway - two comments. First, "endurance and determination" would be, I think, necessary skills for a physician. Being a physician requires more than smarts, it requires discipline, judgment and the ability to organize the material they've mastered. (Although, I'm no MD, so what do I know?)

Finally, your comment "not clear how that will work out" made me laugh. My kids are much younger than yours, and I think that about every decision they make, and every decision I make about them. I guess it doesn't end.

Calypso Facto said...

And on those far-ranging notes, I'll say good night, but look forward to reading any responses tomorrow!

AJ Lynch said...

Leslyn: You won't find it easily.

I had to look at SEPTA's annual report and divided their published headcounts into their labor costs. BTW, the average had increased by 20% [from $75,000] in the last four years.

Joe said...

My scenario:

The CIA and State lied to Obama in security briefings and on the day of the attack.

chickelit said...

From Calypso Facto's link:
They're among the seven bus drivers who made more than $100,000 last year thanks to a union contract that lets the most senior drivers who have the highest base salaries get first crack at overtime.

That's not very progressive at all. That rule just facilitates the rich getting richer.

Shame on Madison unions (again).

Gary Rosen said...

"Like many right wing doctor pay worshippers"

Wasn't that cut-rate lobotomy cheap enough for you, C-fudd?

Rusty said...

garage mahal said...
I think doctors should pay more for their own healthcare, yes

I think I should pay less for my healthcare, and one major reason why I can't is because doctors are ridiculously overpaid.

IDEA: Let doctors from other countries come here and do the same work for a fraction of the cost. Free markets.

They do. All they have to do is pass the state boards they can practice medicine here.
i agree let the market decide for both drs and insurance companies. And oh yea. tort reform.

Marshal said...

EMD said...

The problem was in letting third parties get involved in the medical process. If you HAD to pay for your own care, you'd be healthier.


There's a very simple three step process to medical reform:

1. Break the employer link to insurance, distribute the policies to the lives covered or their guardians.

2. Eliminate preferential pricing.

3. Require that insurance companies offer a policy to every risk group who has maintained coverage.

If we were serious about increasing access to healthcare and controlling costs this is what we'd do. As a country we're not serious about these goals, we're interested in advancing the primacy of government. Thus we have Obamacare, which does not increase access to healthcare or offer universal coverage, which will reduce future medical innovation, and which negatively distorts the economy.

But at least in exchange for that we have IPAB. The progressive belief that this is a good trade speaks volumes about the left.

exhelodrvr1 said...

You can't have lower-level people providing the care unless you first have significant reforms made to the malpractice insurance/lawsuits side of medicine.

Hassell Anderson said...

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15119872-emails-on-coming-and-goings-of-petraeus-other-military-officials-escalated-fbi-concerns

Updated at 11:36 p.m. ET: “Menacing” anonymous emails that launched the FBI investigation which ultimately brought down CIA Director David Petraeus contained references to the “comings and goings” of high-level U.S. military officials, raising concerns that someone had improperly gained access to sensitive and classified information, a source close to the recipient tells NBC News.

Concerns were raised, but not with President Obama until after the election.

We are to believe Obama didn't know. Ignorance is power.

damikesc said...

So, we still run secret prisons where we torture people.

Viva la change!

PS AS I said before the election, this Administration is coming apart at the seams

Which would be lovely if we had a media. We don't. We have people who take dictation for Democrats.

he doesn't own her. If he did he treated her pretty poorly.

How is getting pussy on the side "treating her poorly"? He didn't beat her. He just found somebody who did things she wouldn't. C'est la vie. It dishonored him, but she was hardly "treated poorly". This wasn't a "you should rub some ice on that" moment. If it turns out Obama cheated on Michelle, and God knows why he wouldn't given the far better options for sex out there, then he didn't treat her poorly, either. I don't buy into the "poor victim" mentality any longer....largely because I can think of one woman in politics who didn't HAPPILY stand by her man.

That woman, mind you, was Jenny Sanford, wife of Mark Sanford. All the Democratic women? Stand by them with a smile on their face.

Take a shot in the mouth once in a while and the guy won't stray.

Just sayin'.

Obama should have asked for his resignation long ago. And that could have happened without any stories about affairs in the media.

He could've neutralized Benghazi as a story (well, more than having the media blowing him nightly already did) by firing him. Say he was having an affair and leaking sensitive info.

This issue is a winner with working class blacks, whites and I suspect many Hispanics already here.

There is zero evidence that this is the case. Heck, you get reamed if you say you'd prefer to have well-qualified immigrants over immigrants with no money or marketable skills whatsoever.

If you had bothered to read the post you would have seen I favored entrepreneurs.

Yet you advocate regulations that specifically prevent entrepreneurs from being more than tiny, poorly capitalized companies.

damikesc said...

So, we still run secret prisons where we torture people.

Viva la change!

PS AS I said before the election, this Administration is coming apart at the seams

Which would be lovely if we had a media. We don't. We have people who take dictation for Democrats.

he doesn't own her. If he did he treated her pretty poorly.

How is getting pussy on the side "treating her poorly"? He didn't beat her. He just found somebody who did things she wouldn't. C'est la vie. It dishonored him, but she was hardly "treated poorly". This wasn't a "you should rub some ice on that" moment. If it turns out Obama cheated on Michelle, and God knows why he wouldn't given the far better options for sex out there, then he didn't treat her poorly, either. I don't buy into the "poor victim" mentality any longer....largely because I can think of one woman in politics who didn't HAPPILY stand by her man.

That woman, mind you, was Jenny Sanford, wife of Mark Sanford. All the Democratic women? Stand by them with a smile on their face.

Take a shot in the mouth once in a while and the guy won't stray.

Just sayin'.

Obama should have asked for his resignation long ago. And that could have happened without any stories about affairs in the media.

He could've neutralized Benghazi as a story (well, more than having the media blowing him nightly already did) by firing him. Say he was having an affair and leaking sensitive info.

This issue is a winner with working class blacks, whites and I suspect many Hispanics already here.

There is zero evidence that this is the case. Heck, you get reamed if you say you'd prefer to have well-qualified immigrants over immigrants with no money or marketable skills whatsoever.

If you had bothered to read the post you would have seen I favored entrepreneurs.

Yet you advocate regulations that specifically prevent entrepreneurs from being more than tiny, poorly capitalized companies.

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